@@jimtownsend3910 lol….? How? Someone who made money criticizing others work is off limits to be criticized himself?? Just ponder than for 10 seconds….
@Sam Lombardo I'll have to disagree. As a personal parallel, GameGrumps, but any sufficiently large channel/IP, there comes a point when there are enough "mindless" (for lack of a better term) fans, that they can produce content of any quality for a sufficiently long time. Provided James hasn't mismanaged his money, his existing funds and channel would likely last him as till his end. With respect to feedback, I find it a moot point. Feedback is for those who wish to improve, and the people who wish to improve are those with ambition. In my subjective opinion, James doesn't seem to have the same ambition as he once had. This isn't a moral wrong, but logically it dictates that the feedback would yield nothing even if it was presented. Thus, I don't believe those people would hurt James nor that those who do give feedback would help James since, all actions rest on a single thought: a single thought by James. A thought I don't believe he cares to have at this point in his life.
Some of those bootlickers even went one further and say you cannot criticize James the "no time God" because he gives us free content. Oh, that means you also cannot criticize Irate Gamer, Doug Walker, Pat the NES Punk, Red Cow Entertainment here because they also gives us free content. Their logic makes absolutely no sense at all. Then they tout that people are jealous about James. What is there to be jealous about someone like James who backstabbed his best friends Bootsy and Kyle by refusing to compensate them properly for their contributions in Cinemassacre? There is no redeeming quality in looking up to a person like that, much less feeling jealousy or even respect.
The algorithm brought me to both videos. I'm a fan of James but I enjoyed both the previous video and this one. I think it's fair criticism. You have a new fan / sub. :)
I would really urge you guys to keep going with the Cinemassacre Truth content and ignore the negativity, everything you said in your critique was spot on and you didn't say it in a mean way, I would love to see it become a regular feature of this or even the main channel, I think the negativity would eventually fall off the more people are exposed to the idea of James not being an untouchable saint.
I mean, what else can be said? I don't think there's enough meat on the bone to make it a regular series. And it would more than likely become antagonistic in nature, which it already is to a degree. To call a bunch of guys "slobs" and point out the fact that several of them are overweight is, in my estimation, not very nice. I honestly don't see the point in making fun of their weight..
@@Tom_Van_Zandt RCA didn't make fun of their weight. They just pointed out that they are large, a fair observation. People on reddit make fun of SW for being fat but that's unrelated to these guys. Besides, 'slobs' is the official term for Bames helpers. It came from the main Cinemassacre subreddit itself. Slob isn't about weight, it's a state of mind. Big Ryan fan btw
@@Tom_Van_Zandtit's fair to bring up because these guys are on camera. They are part of the channel now, and their appearance is not great, and frankly off-putting to watch. They look unhealthy and unkempt.
Just ignore those AVGN bootlickers and simps that dislike bomb your video. Your video talking about all the bizarre setup of James Rolfe's AVGN production makes me love your channel even more because you had the guts to go against the grain and criticize James' stupid setup. You have earn a sub from me purely because of that video and I'm looking forward to seeing more content from you, regardless if it's AVGN/CinemassacreTruth related or not. Keep up the good work man and don't be discouraged!
I been lookin forward to this response video since your last one posted! Everything you said is true, newly subscribered to your channel. And you’re right, you are the only channel talking about this situation and also putting actual real solutions out there.
Aww bummer, sounds like you guys are not planning on covering cinemassacre truth stuff in the future, I was really hoping you guys would do a series whenever anything interesting happens there, I get that you don't like the negativity but the truth community really needs people like you guys to spread the word to the masses.
You guys have FANTASTIC pacing. That is really really hard. This is coming from an adhd adult who has a tough time listening to most podcasts. Because #1, you guys do your damn due diligence and know the outs and ins of "the Truth.", #2 you guys are long time fans of James, #3 Great chemistry and humor, and #4 aren't being critical for the sake of shitting on someone. You can be a fan of someone and criticize them FAIRLY, which I believe you guys have done. I really hope this isn't the end of this. Or at least you guys can do commentary on other youtube drama.
I found Red Cow because of the Dylan the Knight Owl video on AVGN. I watched the "brief" video and realized it wasn't just me that thought AVGN was really slipping. Then I got to your video on the BTS James video. From there I started watching your other content. You all are really cool and I dig your style!
I really appreciated your hour-long critique video. I literally subscribed to both of your Red Cow channels because you seem funny and interesting. I'm a fan of James/AVGN too, but I really was baffled at his crazy out-of-touch tech setup and his "response" to criticism/concern about his business. I am extremely tired of the "but he's a nice guy" response when people are trying to express genuine issues they see with his content. I particularly enjoyed learning you both were filmmakers/in the film industry. I've never heard anyone with that background give a genuine critique of James' process and Cinemassacre before. I'm convinced James, indeed, is one of those people that likes to keep things difficult, whether he realizes or not. He could easily just completely focus on AVGN and make very high-quality videos on that series. I bet he could even start a Patreon and get good financial support. He either isn't that good, is burned-out on the Nerd, or is ready to phone Cinemassacre in (maybe all 3). I don't hate him or anything. There are, literally, important things going on in the world right now. It's just nice to hear adults who've BEEN following James give authentic perspectives on what they think is going wrong with him and his company. Sorry people are immature and responded to any questioning of their god James with hatred towards you all. Undeserved. Please remember some people should be ignored, and don't feed the trolls!
This is just odd. You didn't do anything other than point out issues with James' video and question some of his weirder choices. How can they enjoy watching James criticising, burning and destroying physical representations of people's work, yet get mad about your video? It's not like you did a skit where you took a shit on an AVGN Blu-ray, you just posited the idea that James set up was hampering his ability to film (which anyone that's tried to film would agree with), and that he should get better help.
You made a great video that addressed several things that I've been saying "wtf" about. His last AVGN vid made some improvements so everyone wins. I'm happy you got attention for doing it.
Holy cow I only recently started getting recommendations for the channel a little while ago and it wasn't until I listened to this clip that I realized you guys were the ones who did the George Lucas Lord of the rings video all those years ago. I loved that video.
Never heard of you guys before the last video, and thought you guys made a lot of good points. I've been a fan of James/Cinemassacre/AVGN for many, many years. I don't think you guys were wrong. Some people allow themselves to be blinded by routine, fandom, and comfort. James has become complacent, and it's sad. Keep up the good work!
I thought your video was good (I subbed), and I think you got some positive feedback on it as well too, right? It definitely stressed an important point, which is that Cinemassacre/ScreenWave DEFINITELY need a dedicated studio space to film AVGN episodes. That tiny weird setup in his basement is grossly insufficient for AVGN, it's pretty shocking that they have been using it as long as they have.
yeah I don't know how far apart they are geographically but they could probably figure out a way to batch them in a studio. Also would be funny if they did something like...just make a printed laminate type deal that just looks like the nerd set but is actually flat. I think the screenwave dudes are still to delusional about their own media to take the time to think of how to substantively make the nerd videos better. Like Hack the Movies is quite bad; I know it's cool to be an aging fan of "nerd" media after watching Red Letter Media...but like...that guy has negative 47 interesting takes on any media he's consumed.
@@benjaminsantiagosstuff I agree, Hack the Movies is objectively bad content. RLM is the gold standard, they are astute lifelong students of film with a flair for balancing criticism and insights. As for Cinemassacre...If James can make it to the podcasts regularly for batch-filming, then he should probably do the same for AVGN. Justin should mandate it, his setup at home is just too rubbish.
@@underwaterlevelz1947 Of he has better writing, the tiny setup wouldnt matter. Keep in mind many of the fan favorites such as NES accessories came from the late 2000s from apartment #2 with the small room and the narrow hallway. In all honesty still, he needs more camera angles for spicing things up. He doesnt need tracking shots necessarily but just some different static angles such as the ones for classics such as Super Pitfall
I think James is just lazy and likes the convenience of filming at home. Even though it would be much better mentally as well to separate work from your home life by going to a dedicated place to film.
@@gocsa I agree, there needs to be a separation. The setup is just too inadequate for the flagship show, though. Maybe he has an agreement with Justin/Ryan that he can film AVGN at home, but I sincerely believe they should either help him set up something more adequate at his house or create a set for him at the offices.
My wife and I really enjoyed that video. Perfectly summarized a lot of things we had noticed previously watching Cinemassacre content over the last few years. But we actually did watch the video so there's that. We had no idea about the screenwave thing and just thought those guys were his friends, lol. Honestly seems worse now knowing those guys are hired.
The irony of this video a video addressing criticism of a video LOL although you did it right and tastefully James could learn from you guys. I thought you were spot on in the critique of his video I thought the same things about his channel for years now. I could tell you guys were smart right off and I would like to see more critique vids from you guys especially of his new band LOL
You guys have done nothing but speak the truth and I’ve been a lifelong fan of Cinemassacre and AVGN. Anyone with a brain and working eyes/ears can see the significant drop off in quality, care, passion in all of his videos. For a guy who was making plenty of money off RUclips, for him to crowd-fund for his movie which was his and only his personal lifelong dream is just the clearest example of who the guy really is. His loyal fans put money out of their pocket to support him, a RUclipsr who they’ve never met, and were responsible for him realizing his dream. As a thank you, he instead keeps pointing out how he’s too busy, has no time, uses his kids as a reason and “personal stuff” that he can’t say because it’s personal? This guy owes his fans and those who funded his shitty movie a lot more than that whether he feels like it or not because he keeps speaking like this whole AVGN is a hobby and all that - it’s not! This isn’t 2006, he’s capitalized a ton, taken donations from a ton, and now feels like he has no obligation to put out quality content, which is the further from the truth. He never takes any responsibility for anything, as it wasn’t him who plagiarized that script however he “has final say on every script”, I guess except that one… and he speaks about how the critics of his low effort videos must be the assholes. Real disappointed that this is the guy I have been a fan of for so long. You guys aren’t off-base or out of line at all. New sub
@@nintenalex Dismissive fanboy. His livelihood depends on people enjoying his content. We are quite literally entitled to complain when he purposefully stops trying as hard as he should because he stopped caring, and then uses his family life as a shield from criticism despite plenty of people being competent in their work regardless of their busy life as a parent. James can't take literally any criticism and has surrounded himself with yes men, and doesn't respect anyone that tries to give him legitimate criticism or advice. To quote another person in the comments section (Acromat), "AVGN critiques and shits on productions for 15 years: builds a fanbase; AVGN gets critiqued: "That's unacceptable!" Get out of here with your stupid double standards just because you idolize a man you probably started watching as a kid.
I thought your video on said topic was spot on; it's amazing how partially-incompetent James can be at times. I think we all (including James himself) got very lucky that his process and approach worked so well during the golden era of AVGN. His techniques and limitations were part OF the AVGN experience, lol. I couldn't agree more when you guys said the movie was unwatchable. I commend you for re-cutting that, dude! Keep up the stellar work!
Self professed filmmaker/curator and RUclips veteran James Rolfe clearly cannot be held to the same standard as other mentally sound adults. Don't overwhelm Jamesy.
I enjoyed the video immensely. Count me in as a new sub! As far as the subreddit, the thing is most people want James to be better. After the BTS video, the awful 'podcast' and the Rocketeer video, it's clear James nor the Gengar Gang can handle any criticism without spewing venom. It's sad how much the channel has declined.
Never coming back unless they pay him everything he is entitled to and give him a contract for future appearances with his fee clearly stated. He tried to work on a handshake deal with his good friend and they fucked him right up the ass,Kyle as well.
I am a HUGE Cinemassacre and James Rolfe fan, however I have watched these videos twice and subscribed to your channel. I agree with a lot of the points raised. It also happens to be entertaining. I was watching the Cinemassacre podcast yesterday and James says “I think I understand my fans pretty well” or something like that and you could see on Kieran and Justin’s face that they were like 😐 I love his content, his Rocketeer episode felt like a bit of a step in the right direction but I by no means believe that the man can walk on water. I have room in my life for two RUclips subs! 😂😂
The video was the first time I ever heard of you guys, and I just found it interesting and informative. It's amazing how eager people are to just self-polarize and demonize anyone who is "on the other side" or whatever. Then again, I also like the Rental Reviews, so maybe you shouldn't see my approval as a good thing...
No idea who you guys are... I guess you've got some experience in something related to what you're taking about?? But I dunno, that first(previous, I suppose) video made some sense and had, i thought, valid critiques... and its better audio than the other related algorithm video I was delivered, being some guy talking to a couple stacks of multipack bottled water. So uh.. keep it up?
Im a big James Rolfe fan but after discovering you dudes, im a big fan of you dudes too. :) Im also a film maker and also a musician and started my own podcast 2 weeks ago too dedicated to alternative music. Keep being you and do what you are doing. I enjoy hearing all the stuff you guys bring to the topic.
I'm glad I watched the cinemassscre video just because it lead me to Box Mac, I never would have found it without the cinemassscre clips video. Have a great day and thanks for the content!
I really enjoyed the random video the algorithm pointed me to about the death of cinemassacre. Now I'm suddenly here!? :D I think that conversation about where Cinemassacre is was perfectly co-herent and my eyebrows weren't initially raised when I'd watched the original "behind the scenes" video. But after hearing from people who know what they're talking about (at least you seem to!) there's been the How I Met your Mother style glass shatter moment towards it all XD
It’s strange people defend James being burned out when you guys never attacked him for being burned out. All you did was critique his solutions to his own burnout which are absurd. The ceiling lights, the nonsense thunder cable, hiring a group of clowns to produce his content but never acknowledge it, and keep making half-hearted videos just to upload something. I have watched James since he was the angry Nintendo nerd, so I have been a fan since 2006-2007 era, and I still completely agree with all of the criticism you both have for him.
Up until I saw this video, I just assumed the TMNT cabinet in Frankie's background was an original full-sized arcade cabinet. Now I must assume that Frankie is not an enormous human being.
James Rolfe saved my life. What Red Cow Arcade can do for James? Take a wild guess. Save his life. We need his wife to watch this, sit down with him and explain it. Save his life.
@@devilpuppetsinc humor can be, ungenerous at times, but I think most people are lapsed fans and ultimately coming from a place of having been deeply into James' content.
@@devilpuppetsinc This kind of attitude is what causes people to radicalize and is what caused the huge political divide we are currently facing, banning free speech or critique and calling it "hate speech" only pushes people further into the shadows and makes their views more extreme.
In the podcast, you made the joke “then they brought the screenwave guys into the fold... pardon the pun!”; which was just about the best joke I’ve heard in a while. I detest easy, derogatory insulting humor; but that was truly funny.
listen you think youre sooo tough with your Altar bad boy attitude but youre totes the opposite, youre a mean spirited frat bro who drinks all day and night and parties hard, I see right through your tough guy facade. Names Whatupimo Mcjohnsonfierce the Double, we run things in Saint Johns Episcopalian church bro, its all our turf
I really liked the cinemassacre truth video and it made me subscribe to you guys. Too many people don't get that you can love James and AVGN and still call out the bullshit on his channel. Keep up the great content!
Well I'm delighted with how things worked out, cos I've really enjoyed all of your content I've seen ever since and now I love your channel and really look forward to anything you guys post...unless it's about dragons...which sadly much of today's popular media seems to be...tsk...but again thanks anyway for all the hard work and I hope your channel continues to grow and you enjoy all of the success you deserve from that happening :) thanks again! New fan from Ireland
Ok. So a new Cinemassacre video today that seems directed to you guys. Kind of like "hey we help people too you know". Kinda like the old "you aren't gonna hit a guy with glasses are you?"
Really, you just said what a good portion of us have thought/felt. I tune in still to watch... but it's more like watching wrestling where I watch in hopes it improves but doesn't.
I think the problem I have with him, is that when he gets angry it's just an act. When there's time when he actually got angry, that's what made him unique.
Lucid and earnest clip. Been digging your guys content since 2015 and the podcast has been very enjoyable to binge during my workouts. Great job on all the weight loss accomplishments Frankie and now I definitely see EJ as "Dallas Buyer's Club Jared Leto" moreso than "Joker Jared Leto". Cheers!
I've been following James since 2007 and I don't see why anybody who has been following him since then (or since the very beginning) should pretend he's pulling the same quality content, or even half the quality. I found it weird how so many people are so protecitve of him while others like the Nostalgia Critic are universally accepted as having a huge drop in quality.
I'm a huge fan of James. He was the first RUclipsr whose content I ever started following religiously, and I still find myself re-watching old episodes. I even enjoy some of his more recent content - although not nearly as much as the older stuff. I remember early controversies, like the Irate Gamer, the Cheetahmen, the AVGN movie crowdfunding, and early critics like the Archfiend, whose criticism wasn't always anywhere as near well-founded as yours. I thought your comments on James as a terribly inefficient filmmaker were just realistic, if his behind the scenes comments are how he actually works, and I think most of your criticism is perfectly valid. Yeah, fandoms can take their loyalty a bit far. The truth is most of the criticism cinemassacre gets nowadays comes from people who are actually fans of James, like yourself and many of the folks at CinemassacreTruth, but there are just as many if not more people in the fandom will not tolerate any criticism at all.
Your vids on James are really comfy and just the right level of criticism/humor without being too mean-spirited or harsh. Keep it up. James fanboys will hate no matter how gentle the criticism is.
I've actually been watching a lot of your videos on cinemassacre and James. I remember watching him back in like 07 or so and laughing so hard especially at the power glove episode. That being said I drift in and out of his content for a very long time now. I've only really watched AVGN and recently I watched his videos playing games with his old neighbor/friend which was fun. Critiquing things constructively as you guys do is healthy and warranted considering that's the basis of James whole channel and how he got famous, critiquing and sometimes literally shitting on games and horror movies.
You guys are probably right about his style being inefficient, but also... who cares? I'm not paying James to make me videos on a certain schedule. Anyone who is, feel free to lay into his work efficiency as much as you want. But it comes across a little elitist to criticize his methods just because it's not the most professional way, or the way you learned in film school or whatever lol.
Screwattack did a roast for James years ago and some fan didnt understand the concept. They went off on them for saying jokes not realizing that they were all friends just having fun.
You have plenty of points but I feel like they are more in line with Gex X and his horrible set up is part of the charm. I feel like they have more of a space problem. They should just pull the trigger and rent space and build full sets.
James already has full sets available to him at screen waves headquarters, there is a duplicate of the nerd room there, James just didn't want to go there and uses Corona as an excuse.
Actually i follow james' channel since 2008. Yet i unsubscribed to his channel. I felt like an ex GF cheating on me and i just remember the good memories (Old content) Biggest james fan here, i make content but cannot show my face due to having a great job but James inspired me to make videos and criticize in what i am best and what i do for a living. James is a Great influence on all of us.
The part of your video that didn't sit well with me was when you started suggesting that James seems to have a "personality disorder" or something. I get that he does things in a way that you find "odd" but don't start trying to diagnose people with disorders.
so I dislike James Rolfe, I dislike him in every way, I still feel like im a good person and likable despite that, I hope he disocuntines the nerd videos and his entire channel and any sub channels cause he for some fills a void someone else might decide to fill if he were gone and they might do it better that guys 15 minutes of fame has been waaaay over extended by dubious means like a twitch star porn star social media star, some people really do need to be forced to get off the stage and he's one of them for SUUUUURE. FORE SUUUUUURE I HAVE SO LITTLE RESPECT FOR HIM ITS HARD TO RESPECT ANYONE WHO READ MY COMMENT PAST THE FIRST SURE CAUSE ITS SO OBVIOUS IT ALL GOES WITHOUT SAYING ITS PAST THE POINT OF BEING OLD AND ITS JUST DISTURBING BOOOOO GET OFF THE STAGE STOP BEING ON ANYONES MIND WHEN YOUR PERSONAL LIFE IS IN COMPLETE SHAMBLES THAT EVERYTHING YOU SAY TO THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO BE DISHONEST, GET OFF THE STAGE HES OUT OF HUMAN HES JUST INHUMAN MOUTHING THE WORDS Charlie Brown HAS A SAYING ITS GOOD GREIF YES GOOD GREIF IS FACING GREIF IN A GOOD WAY THE GUY NEEDS TO REPAIR HIS LIFE FOR 20 YEARS
I subscribed, liked and now im commenting. I want much more of this cinemassacre truth bottomfeeder shit. Make more jokes about slobs, tape a tripod to the ceiling, wear even shorter shorts! Show em what you're made of! Now more than ever!
I dont mind your mostly correct critique of the avgn. But im irritated you keep adding and adding more Videos with kinda similar content. Why is that? Possibly for the clicks?
I'm just here for the eclipse channel. You guys have really good chemistry. I'm really not a fan of the content from red cow entertainment. But them red cow arcade boys are king
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I am an OG fan of cinemassacre and I listened to that video like 4 times. It was therapy, those things needed to be said because they were true.
hey i remember you from the erinplays videos. how is it going
AVGN critiques and shits on productions for 15 years = builds a fanbase; AVGN gets critiqued: "That's unacceptable!"
It's one of the greatest double standards of all double standards. It's truly hilarious.
Shitting on a terrible cash grab video game from 1987 that the entire world hated is dramatically different than this “podcast”.
@@jimtownsend3910 Newsflash: Cinemassacre is now a cash grab itself, and has been for years.
@@jimtownsend3910 A lot of the games that AVGN 'reviews' and trashes are actually good games. But nobody said anything.
@@jimtownsend3910 lol….? How? Someone who made money criticizing others work is off limits to be criticized himself?? Just ponder than for 10 seconds….
Some people think James can do no wrong, which is nuts.
@Sam Lombardo I'll have to disagree. As a personal parallel, GameGrumps, but any sufficiently large channel/IP, there comes a point when there are enough "mindless" (for lack of a better term) fans, that they can produce content of any quality for a sufficiently long time.
Provided James hasn't mismanaged his money, his existing funds and channel would likely last him as till his end. With respect to feedback, I find it a moot point. Feedback is for those who wish to improve, and the people who wish to improve are those with ambition. In my subjective opinion, James doesn't seem to have the same ambition as he once had. This isn't a moral wrong, but logically it dictates that the feedback would yield nothing even if it was presented.
Thus, I don't believe those people would hurt James nor that those who do give feedback would help James since, all actions rest on a single thought: a single thought by James. A thought I don't believe he cares to have at this point in his life.
Some of those bootlickers even went one further and say you cannot criticize James the "no time God" because he gives us free content. Oh, that means you also cannot criticize Irate Gamer, Doug Walker, Pat the NES Punk, Red Cow Entertainment here because they also gives us free content. Their logic makes absolutely no sense at all. Then they tout that people are jealous about James. What is there to be jealous about someone like James who backstabbed his best friends Bootsy and Kyle by refusing to compensate them properly for their contributions in Cinemassacre? There is no redeeming quality in looking up to a person like that, much less feeling jealousy or even respect.
I dont think that. I don’t give a damn, These guys are losers tho. Lol
And Chris Chan thinks he is a inter-dimensional goddess
Doesn't make that shit true
Im thinking james fanbase is more r*tarded then him
The algorithm brought me to both videos. I'm a fan of James but I enjoyed both the previous video and this one. I think it's fair criticism. You have a new fan / sub. :)
Nooooo, you can’t criticize my favorite RUclips critic, he has kids! Do you want him to suffer?
I would really urge you guys to keep going with the Cinemassacre Truth content and ignore the negativity, everything you said in your critique was spot on and you didn't say it in a mean way, I would love to see it become a regular feature of this or even the main channel, I think the negativity would eventually fall off the more people are exposed to the idea of James not being an untouchable saint.
I mean, what else can be said? I don't think there's enough meat on the bone to make it a regular series. And it would more than likely become antagonistic in nature, which it already is to a degree. To call a bunch of guys "slobs" and point out the fact that several of them are overweight is, in my estimation, not very nice. I honestly don't see the point in making fun of their weight..
@@Tom_Van_Zandt baby
@@awesomeatronik Dang. Good call. Fantastic argument.
@@Tom_Van_Zandt RCA didn't make fun of their weight. They just pointed out that they are large, a fair observation. People on reddit make fun of SW for being fat but that's unrelated to these guys. Besides, 'slobs' is the official term for Bames helpers. It came from the main Cinemassacre subreddit itself. Slob isn't about weight, it's a state of mind. Big Ryan fan btw
@@Tom_Van_Zandtit's fair to bring up because these guys are on camera. They are part of the channel now, and their appearance is not great, and frankly off-putting to watch. They look unhealthy and unkempt.
Just ignore those AVGN bootlickers and simps that dislike bomb your video. Your video talking about all the bizarre setup of James Rolfe's AVGN production makes me love your channel even more because you had the guts to go against the grain and criticize James' stupid setup. You have earn a sub from me purely because of that video and I'm looking forward to seeing more content from you, regardless if it's AVGN/CinemassacreTruth related or not. Keep up the good work man and don't be discouraged!
The cinemassacre truth is what finally brought me to Reddit, after ignoring it for close to 10 years. It's both fascinating and hilarious for sure.
Tfatk reddit is good too
I'm sorry for your loss.
I been lookin forward to this response video since your last one posted! Everything you said is true, newly subscribered to your channel. And you’re right, you are the only channel talking about this situation and also putting actual real solutions out there.
I've watched that video you boys made on Rolfe's bizarre behind the scenes video multiple times, it's an amazing video you boys did on it! Love it!
Aww bummer, sounds like you guys are not planning on covering cinemassacre truth stuff in the future, I was really hoping you guys would do a series whenever anything interesting happens there, I get that you don't like the negativity but the truth community really needs people like you guys to spread the word to the masses.
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You guys have FANTASTIC pacing. That is really really hard. This is coming from an adhd adult who has a tough time listening to most podcasts. Because #1, you guys do your damn due diligence and know the outs and ins of "the Truth.", #2 you guys are long time fans of James, #3 Great chemistry and humor, and #4 aren't being critical for the sake of shitting on someone.
You can be a fan of someone and criticize them FAIRLY, which I believe you guys have done.
I really hope this isn't the end of this. Or at least you guys can do commentary on other youtube drama.
I found Red Cow because of the Dylan the Knight Owl video on AVGN. I watched the "brief" video and realized it wasn't just me that thought AVGN was really slipping. Then I got to your video on the BTS James video.
From there I started watching your other content.
You all are really cool and I dig your style!
I'll miss the last 7 minutes since it's almost 5:40 but thanks to r/TheCinemassacreTruth for introducing me to this great channel!
You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain
Critiquing and expecting someone who’s been doing stuff for a long time to want to do better isn’t a bad thing
Over 230,000 views now guys as of 12/2023. You guys deserve way more subscribers.
I really appreciated your hour-long critique video. I literally subscribed to both of your Red Cow channels because you seem funny and interesting. I'm a fan of James/AVGN too, but I really was baffled at his crazy out-of-touch tech setup and his "response" to criticism/concern about his business. I am extremely tired of the "but he's a nice guy" response when people are trying to express genuine issues they see with his content.
I particularly enjoyed learning you both were filmmakers/in the film industry. I've never heard anyone with that background give a genuine critique of James' process and Cinemassacre before. I'm convinced James, indeed, is one of those people that likes to keep things difficult, whether he realizes or not. He could easily just completely focus on AVGN and make very high-quality videos on that series. I bet he could even start a Patreon and get good financial support. He either isn't that good, is burned-out on the Nerd, or is ready to phone Cinemassacre in (maybe all 3). I don't hate him or anything. There are, literally, important things going on in the world right now. It's just nice to hear adults who've BEEN following James give authentic perspectives on what they think is going wrong with him and his company.
Sorry people are immature and responded to any questioning of their god James with hatred towards you all. Undeserved. Please remember some people should be ignored, and don't feed the trolls!
This is just odd. You didn't do anything other than point out issues with James' video and question some of his weirder choices. How can they enjoy watching James criticising, burning and destroying physical representations of people's work, yet get mad about your video? It's not like you did a skit where you took a shit on an AVGN Blu-ray, you just posited the idea that James set up was hampering his ability to film (which anyone that's tried to film would agree with), and that he should get better help.
You made a great video that addressed several things that I've been saying "wtf" about. His last AVGN vid made some improvements so everyone wins. I'm happy you got attention for doing it.
Holy cow I only recently started getting recommendations for the channel a little while ago and it wasn't until I listened to this clip that I realized you guys were the ones who did the George Lucas Lord of the rings video all those years ago. I loved that video.
Never heard of you guys before the last video, and thought you guys made a lot of good points. I've been a fan of James/Cinemassacre/AVGN for many, many years. I don't think you guys were wrong. Some people allow themselves to be blinded by routine, fandom, and comfort. James has become complacent, and it's sad.
Keep up the good work!
I thought your video was good (I subbed), and I think you got some positive feedback on it as well too, right? It definitely stressed an important point, which is that Cinemassacre/ScreenWave DEFINITELY need a dedicated studio space to film AVGN episodes. That tiny weird setup in his basement is grossly insufficient for AVGN, it's pretty shocking that they have been using it as long as they have.
yeah I don't know how far apart they are geographically but they could probably figure out a way to batch them in a studio. Also would be funny if they did something like...just make a printed laminate type deal that just looks like the nerd set but is actually flat. I think the screenwave dudes are still to delusional about their own media to take the time to think of how to substantively make the nerd videos better. Like Hack the Movies is quite bad; I know it's cool to be an aging fan of "nerd" media after watching Red Letter Media...but like...that guy has negative 47 interesting takes on any media he's consumed.
@@benjaminsantiagosstuff I agree, Hack the Movies is objectively bad content. RLM is the gold standard, they are astute lifelong students of film with a flair for balancing criticism and insights. As for Cinemassacre...If James can make it to the podcasts regularly for batch-filming, then he should probably do the same for AVGN. Justin should mandate it, his setup at home is just too rubbish.
@@underwaterlevelz1947 Of he has better writing, the tiny setup wouldnt matter. Keep in mind many of the fan favorites such as NES accessories came from the late 2000s from apartment #2 with the small room and the narrow hallway.
In all honesty still, he needs more camera angles for spicing things up. He doesnt need tracking shots necessarily but just some different static angles such as the ones for classics such as Super Pitfall
I think James is just lazy and likes the convenience of filming at home. Even though it would be much better mentally as well to separate work from your home life by going to a dedicated place to film.
@@gocsa I agree, there needs to be a separation. The setup is just too inadequate for the flagship show, though. Maybe he has an agreement with Justin/Ryan that he can film AVGN at home, but I sincerely believe they should either help him set up something more adequate at his house or create a set for him at the offices.
My wife and I really enjoyed that video. Perfectly summarized a lot of things we had noticed previously watching Cinemassacre content over the last few years. But we actually did watch the video so there's that. We had no idea about the screenwave thing and just thought those guys were his friends, lol. Honestly seems worse now knowing those guys are hired.
The irony of this video a video addressing criticism of a video LOL although you did it right and tastefully James could learn from you guys. I thought you were spot on in the critique of his video I thought the same things about his channel for years now. I could tell you guys were smart right off and I would like to see more critique vids from you guys especially of his new band LOL
You guys have done nothing but speak the truth and I’ve been a lifelong fan of Cinemassacre and AVGN. Anyone with a brain and working eyes/ears can see the significant drop off in quality, care, passion in all of his videos. For a guy who was making plenty of money off RUclips, for him to crowd-fund for his movie which was his and only his personal lifelong dream is just the clearest example of who the guy really is. His loyal fans put money out of their pocket to support him, a RUclipsr who they’ve never met, and were responsible for him realizing his dream. As a thank you, he instead keeps pointing out how he’s too busy, has no time, uses his kids as a reason and “personal stuff” that he can’t say because it’s personal? This guy owes his fans and those who funded his shitty movie a lot more than that whether he feels like it or not because he keeps speaking like this whole AVGN is a hobby and all that - it’s not! This isn’t 2006, he’s capitalized a ton, taken donations from a ton, and now feels like he has no obligation to put out quality content, which is the further from the truth. He never takes any responsibility for anything, as it wasn’t him who plagiarized that script however he “has final say on every script”, I guess except that one… and he speaks about how the critics of his low effort videos must be the assholes. Real disappointed that this is the guy I have been a fan of for so long. You guys aren’t off-base or out of line at all. New sub
Entitled baby. He doesn't owe you a dime.
@@nintenalex
Dismissive fanboy. His livelihood depends on people enjoying his content. We are quite literally entitled to complain when he purposefully stops trying as hard as he should because he stopped caring, and then uses his family life as a shield from criticism despite plenty of people being competent in their work regardless of their busy life as a parent. James can't take literally any criticism and has surrounded himself with yes men, and doesn't respect anyone that tries to give him legitimate criticism or advice.
To quote another person in the comments section (Acromat), "AVGN critiques and shits on productions for 15 years: builds a fanbase; AVGN gets critiqued: "That's unacceptable!"
Get out of here with your stupid double standards just because you idolize a man you probably started watching as a kid.
He owes you nothing. If you dont like his stuff anymore, don't watch it, simple.
Well, this certainly wasn’t an incredibly odd and angry take…
I thought your video on said topic was spot on; it's amazing how partially-incompetent James can be at times. I think we all (including James himself) got very lucky that his process and approach worked so well during the golden era of AVGN. His techniques and limitations were part OF the AVGN experience, lol. I couldn't agree more when you guys said the movie was unwatchable. I commend you for re-cutting that, dude! Keep up the stellar work!
Self professed filmmaker/curator and RUclips veteran James Rolfe clearly cannot be held to the same standard as other mentally sound adults.
Don't overwhelm Jamesy.
Do you want him to suffer!
I enjoyed the video immensely. Count me in as a new sub! As far as the subreddit, the thing is most people want James to be better. After the BTS video, the awful 'podcast' and the Rocketeer video, it's clear James nor the Gengar Gang can handle any criticism without spewing venom. It's sad how much the channel has declined.
They need Bootsy back. He's hilarious.
Donut Disaster was my introduction to him 🤣🤣
Tornado Rex is catchy as hell too!
Never coming back unless they pay him everything he is entitled to and give him a contract for future appearances with his fee clearly stated. He tried to work on a handshake deal with his good friend and they fucked him right up the ass,Kyle as well.
Bootsy likes baseball.
@@jimmyjimbo72 Bootsy also likes SODA.
I am a HUGE Cinemassacre and James Rolfe fan, however I have watched these videos twice and subscribed to your channel.
I agree with a lot of the points raised. It also happens to be entertaining.
I was watching the Cinemassacre podcast yesterday and James says “I think I understand my fans pretty well” or something like that and you could see on Kieran and Justin’s face that they were like 😐
I love his content, his Rocketeer episode felt like a bit of a step in the right direction but I by no means believe that the man can walk on water.
I have room in my life for two RUclips subs! 😂😂
Professor Frankie and his short shorts.
"Understand the mean humour thing." As a Brit, I get that.
The video was the first time I ever heard of you guys, and I just found it interesting and informative. It's amazing how eager people are to just self-polarize and demonize anyone who is "on the other side" or whatever.
Then again, I also like the Rental Reviews, so maybe you shouldn't see my approval as a good thing...
Disagreeing about Rental Reviews is okay with me! Haha
I found your first video hilarious and very insightful.
No idea who you guys are... I guess you've got some experience in something related to what you're taking about?? But I dunno, that first(previous, I suppose) video made some sense and had, i thought, valid critiques... and its better audio than the other related algorithm video I was delivered, being some guy talking to a couple stacks of multipack bottled water. So uh.. keep it up?
Im a big James Rolfe fan but after discovering you dudes, im a big fan of you dudes too. :) Im also a film maker and also a musician and started my own podcast 2 weeks ago too dedicated to alternative music. Keep being you and do what you are doing. I enjoy hearing all the stuff you guys bring to the topic.
But are you a Big Ryan Fan?
@@locobandito7389 Big Ryan Fan™ checking in
@@gocsa HIYAH!!!
it's a real shame that James doesn't realize how much pressure having a patreon would lift off of his shouder
I like you guys. Been listening to you in the background while I prep a big family dinner. Keep up the good work!
I'm glad I watched the cinemassscre video just because it lead me to Box Mac, I never would have found it without the cinemassscre clips video. Have a great day and thanks for the content!
I really enjoyed the random video the algorithm pointed me to about the death of cinemassacre. Now I'm suddenly here!? :D I think that conversation about where Cinemassacre is was perfectly co-herent and my eyebrows weren't initially raised when I'd watched the original "behind the scenes" video. But after hearing from people who know what they're talking about (at least you seem to!) there's been the How I Met your Mother style glass shatter moment towards it all XD
Nice going guys. Was scared this would be a John Cena apology to China video.
Not for nothing but yours was the best video of week for me....left me wanting more, I don’t know who u are
We have TONS of much more produced content and web series over at the main channel, which I’m commenting with now. Go check it out!
It’s strange people defend James being burned out when you guys never attacked him for being burned out. All you did was critique his solutions to his own burnout which are absurd. The ceiling lights, the nonsense thunder cable, hiring a group of clowns to produce his content but never acknowledge it, and keep making half-hearted videos just to upload something. I have watched James since he was the angry Nintendo nerd, so I have been a fan since 2006-2007 era, and I still completely agree with all of the criticism you both have for him.
So, I have noticed A LOT MORE people are all turned around on this now, in the fullness of time.
Paint the bottoms of your shelves!
You guys are the Angry Angry Video Game Nerd Nerds.
RUclips recommended this.
Up until I saw this video, I just assumed the TMNT cabinet in Frankie's background was an original full-sized arcade cabinet. Now I must assume that Frankie is not an enormous human being.
ruclips.net/video/fQzBtF-50jk/видео.html
Guys your original James Rolfe video was probably my favorite video of the time.
However, you guys saved me, I was going to replicate James contraption of a teleprompter. I have now ordered the one you recommended
James Rolfe saved my life. What Red Cow Arcade can do for James? Take a wild guess.
Save his life. We need his wife to watch this, sit down with him and explain it. Save his life.
ha it's been more fun on the subreddit, sometimes it gets toxic and weird so was cool to find out y'all are in there
I’ve heard that it’s a hate sub and I hope it gets shutdown. [sarcasm alert]
@@devilpuppetsinc humor can be, ungenerous at times, but I think most people are lapsed fans and ultimately coming from a place of having been deeply into James' content.
@@devilpuppetsinc This kind of attitude is what causes people to radicalize and is what caused the huge political divide we are currently facing, banning free speech or critique and calling it "hate speech" only pushes people further into the shadows and makes their views more extreme.
@@NN-pe6ip I was being sarcastic. I’ve edited my comment to make that clear. I’m subbed to the Truth.
@@benjaminsantiagosstuff I was being sarcastic. I’ve edited my comment to make that clear. I’m subbed to the Truth.
In the podcast, you made the joke “then they brought the screenwave guys into the fold... pardon the pun!”; which was just about the best joke I’ve heard in a while. I detest easy, derogatory insulting humor; but that was truly funny.
listen you think youre sooo tough with your Altar bad boy attitude but youre totes the opposite, youre a mean spirited frat bro who drinks all day and night and parties hard, I see right through your tough guy facade. Names Whatupimo Mcjohnsonfierce the Double, we run things in Saint Johns Episcopalian church bro, its all our turf
Reason scares the losing team
I love you guys. You're on the ball as always, and remain a constant inspiration. Rude Boston sarcasm is eternal!
I really liked the cinemassacre truth video and it made me subscribe to you guys. Too many people don't get that you can love James and AVGN and still call out the bullshit on his channel. Keep up the great content!
Well I'm delighted with how things worked out, cos I've really enjoyed all of your content I've seen ever since and now I love your channel and really look forward to anything you guys post...unless it's about dragons...which sadly much of today's popular media seems to be...tsk...but again thanks anyway for all the hard work and I hope your channel continues to grow and you enjoy all of the success you deserve from that happening :) thanks again! New fan from Ireland
Ok. So a new Cinemassacre video today that seems directed to you guys. Kind of like "hey we help people too you know". Kinda like the old "you aren't gonna hit a guy with glasses are you?"
I can’t believe these videos are already over a year old it just feels like yesterday watching these
Really, you just said what a good portion of us have thought/felt. I tune in still to watch... but it's more like watching wrestling where I watch in hopes it improves but doesn't.
I dunno. Taking the piss out of old games is very different than making fun of people for being obese or awkward.
I was gonna watch james behind the scenes video.. but I just couldn't find the "time"
I think the problem I have with him, is that when he gets angry it's just an act. When there's time when he actually got angry, that's what made him unique.
Lucid and earnest clip. Been digging your guys content since 2015 and the podcast has been very enjoyable to binge during my workouts.
Great job on all the weight loss accomplishments Frankie and now I definitely see EJ as "Dallas Buyer's Club Jared Leto" moreso than "Joker Jared Leto".
Cheers!
you guys did that "If George Lucas Did Lord of the Rings"? Thank you, that was hilarious!
Keep telling the truth guys. Loved the first video and this one
I've been following James since 2007 and I don't see why anybody who has been following him since then (or since the very beginning) should pretend he's pulling the same quality content, or even half the quality. I found it weird how so many people are so protecitve of him while others like the Nostalgia Critic are universally accepted as having a huge drop in quality.
You are right, he needed to be critiqued.
James Rolfe is lazy and cheap. I'm a Doug Walker guy.. also you guys are good to listen too also..
I'm a huge fan of James. He was the first RUclipsr whose content I ever started following religiously, and I still find myself re-watching old episodes. I even enjoy some of his more recent content - although not nearly as much as the older stuff. I remember early controversies, like the Irate Gamer, the Cheetahmen, the AVGN movie crowdfunding, and early critics like the Archfiend, whose criticism wasn't always anywhere as near well-founded as yours.
I thought your comments on James as a terribly inefficient filmmaker were just realistic, if his behind the scenes comments are how he actually works, and I think most of your criticism is perfectly valid. Yeah, fandoms can take their loyalty a bit far. The truth is most of the criticism cinemassacre gets nowadays comes from people who are actually fans of James, like yourself and many of the folks at CinemassacreTruth, but there are just as many if not more people in the fandom will not tolerate any criticism at all.
Your vids on James are really comfy and just the right level of criticism/humor without being too mean-spirited or harsh. Keep it up. James fanboys will hate no matter how gentle the criticism is.
I've actually been watching a lot of your videos on cinemassacre and James. I remember watching him back in like 07 or so and laughing so hard especially at the power glove episode.
That being said I drift in and out of his content for a very long time now. I've only really watched AVGN and recently I watched his videos playing games with his old neighbor/friend which was fun. Critiquing things constructively as you guys do is healthy and warranted considering that's the basis of James whole channel and how he got famous, critiquing and sometimes literally shitting on games and horror movies.
More complaints "of the assholish" variety. 😂 James and his mouth breather fans are really something else man.
This is quality content.
Someone link the unlisted clip please
It’s not unlisted anymore, you can find all our AVGN related videos under the playlist.
@@RedCowArcade thanks
inb4 bringing up KeemStar yields a new "reckoning" lmao.
I honestly found you guys as a result of the video in question and now I am subbed and signed up for notifications. I love you guys lol.
I think everything you said was right tbh
I find it hard to believe anybody who consistently uses reddit is a beautiful person.
Never heard of James Rolfe, but long time fan of the zoom call
Ever since James claimed blu ray sucked because he didnt know how to work his blu ray player, i tuned out.
The internet seemed like a good idea at the time.
You guys are probably right about his style being inefficient, but also... who cares? I'm not paying James to make me videos on a certain schedule. Anyone who is, feel free to lay into his work efficiency as much as you want. But it comes across a little elitist to criticize his methods just because it's not the most professional way, or the way you learned in film school or whatever lol.
Screwattack did a roast for James years ago and some fan didnt understand the concept. They went off on them for saying jokes not realizing that they were all friends just having fun.
You have plenty of points but I feel like they are more in line with Gex X and his horrible set up is part of the charm. I feel like they have more of a space problem. They should just pull the trigger and rent space and build full sets.
James already has full sets available to him at screen waves headquarters, there is a duplicate of the nerd room there, James just didn't want to go there and uses Corona as an excuse.
Nice one guys, you have earned yourselves a new subscriber!
Actually i follow james' channel since 2008. Yet i unsubscribed to his channel.
I felt like an ex GF cheating on me and i just remember the good memories (Old content)
Biggest james fan here, i make content but cannot show my face due to having a great job but James inspired me to make videos and criticize in what i am best and what i do for a living. James is a Great influence on all of us.
I love you guys talking about The Truth 🤟🤟
You guys are charismatic and funny. Nice vid
The part of your video that didn't sit well with me was when you started suggesting that James seems to have a "personality disorder" or something. I get that he does things in a way that you find "odd" but don't start trying to diagnose people with disorders.
so I dislike James Rolfe, I dislike him in every way, I still feel like im a good person and likable despite that, I hope he disocuntines the nerd videos and his entire channel and any sub channels cause he for some fills a void someone else might decide to fill if he were gone and they might do it better
that guys 15 minutes of fame has been waaaay over extended by dubious means like a twitch star porn star social media star, some people really do need to be forced to get off the stage and he's one of them for SUUUUURE. FORE SUUUUUURE I HAVE SO LITTLE RESPECT FOR HIM ITS HARD TO RESPECT ANYONE WHO READ MY COMMENT PAST THE FIRST SURE CAUSE ITS SO OBVIOUS IT ALL GOES WITHOUT SAYING ITS PAST THE POINT OF BEING OLD AND ITS JUST DISTURBING BOOOOO GET OFF THE STAGE STOP BEING ON ANYONES MIND WHEN YOUR PERSONAL LIFE IS IN COMPLETE SHAMBLES THAT EVERYTHING YOU SAY TO THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO BE DISHONEST, GET OFF THE STAGE HES OUT OF HUMAN HES JUST INHUMAN MOUTHING THE WORDS Charlie Brown HAS A SAYING ITS GOOD GREIF YES GOOD GREIF IS FACING GREIF IN A GOOD WAY THE GUY NEEDS TO REPAIR HIS LIFE FOR 20 YEARS
I laughed so hard at this lol
A guy who critiques gets critiqued and people get upset...
I subscribed, liked and now im commenting. I want much more of this cinemassacre truth bottomfeeder shit. Make more jokes about slobs, tape a tripod to the ceiling, wear even shorter shorts! Show em what you're made of! Now more than ever!
I love AVGN/Cinemassacre but I enjoyed your discussion and subbed to both of your channels, from that. Lol
I dont mind your mostly correct critique of the avgn. But im irritated you keep adding and adding more Videos with kinda similar content.
Why is that? Possibly for the clicks?
Sometimes I comment negatively just to get an engagement with my favorite creators.
The trilogy is over.
Discovered you guys thru CinemassacreTruth, good stuff.
I'm just here for the eclipse channel. You guys have really good chemistry. I'm really not a fan of the content from red cow entertainment. But them red cow arcade boys are king
Nice to see you talk about this. We all love james and want the best for him.