I'm seeing lots of unbiased viewers (casual fans) of Dark Side saying that Russo was the only one that came across as believable. Bischoff and Meltzer are full of it.
I remember years ago my cousin and I ran into Stevie at an MCW show. Super nice guy, the three of us shot the shit for about 15-20 minutes outside the venue. A group of fans came over at one point and I heard one guy ask his buddy… what’s his name? His buddy said… that’s Stevie Nicks. 😂😂 til this day my cousin and I still laugh about that. 😂
Jarrett came off great. Hogan and Bischoff came off looking like two thieves in the night. No clue why Meltzer is involved with these things. Overall, I think the show made the relationship between Bischoff and Hogan the antagonist. I think having more of an emphasis on Booker T being the next face of the company would've provided some balance to the show as it's probably the most significant part of all of this.
No its Sucks . you wanna talk about legendary kid . is when Roddy Piper Slap Vince Russo's face in TNA in front of everyone, insulting him, and teaching him a lesson in respecting legends, and defending Hulk Hogan in front of Vince Russo. thank you thank yo . thats what i call legendary 😆 i love it
You made a great point on this live Vince that everybody seems to gloss over. The Jarrett-Hogan match happened in the middle of the card, therefore everybody in that building had to know that the main event was going to be Booker T vs Jeff Jarrett since there was so much time left on the show. I think that Hogan got into his feelings as soon as people brought up your promo
Bischoff says in his 83 weeks podcast he knew about the fax sent on Friday night. He said " i told hogan to send it" Bischoff also said in his 83 weeks podcast, " if me and Russo had a disagreement Brad Segal would make the final creative decision"
Yea, and I wish Conrad would speak up sometime and say dude you and Russo are telling the same story, it was a work and you and hulk didn't know he was gonna say what he said in the promo.. the only liar is hulk who's been telling everyone for 23 years that the whole thing was a shoot and he didn't even know Jarrett was laying down.. Vince and Eric literally tell the same story and call each other liars and yet hulk is the one that's been telling a different story 😂.. well was, now he kind of finally fessed up
Some people forget about Halloween Havoc 99, which was basically the precursor to the Bash at the Beach 00 incident. Hogan reluctantly lost to Sting by laying down for him. This is likely to have influenced Russos 'screwing' of Hogan, as he effectively was playing hardball twice.
I loved when Russo buried Hogan. It was very believable at the time. I'm more of a Cornette guy and generally agree with him regarding Russo, but this was one of the best moments/moves made by Russo.
I'm a Cornette guy as well, but I don't hate Russo.. He would come out and talk to the fans with Jarrett or guys like Dlo sometimes when he first arrived in TNA and seemed like a genuine guy when I met him at 14..
The difference between Bash at the Beach 2000 and the Montreal screwjob was that McMahon was smart enough to run with it and become the great villain, which lead to Stone Cold standing up to the evil boss! WCW wanted to sweep it under the rug, which is what other people in WWF wanted to do in 1997! If the owner of WCW had Russo's back, they probably could have taken Bash at the Beach to create new stories and developed something that eventually helped the ratings.
Hogan was clearly working. He wasn't mad. He was working. Jarrett seemed more upset about it, so I believe he is either a much better worker or he didn't know. I believe Hulk and possibly Bischoff knew the whole plan and it was 100% a work!
Good points about why wouldn't Brad Siegel have fired you at the next opportunity if you had really done all of this on your own against what was agreed upon. And you say they left out the part that Hogan agreed with you and liked your idea that he would have one belt and Booker would have the other in the meantime.
That episode of dark side of the ring really exposed how much stroke Hogan had with Eric and highlighted how much of a negative Hogan was for WCW , WcW starpower was stacked but no young talent was being pushed apart Goldberg
I think Lance Storm appeared in many other episodes this season and I’m guessing they just ask him about it while using him for other episodes. It did seem odd having him in it and that is my guess.
WWF's roster was at its leanest when Russo became the sole writer yet he still managed to turn the ship around using episodic storytelling. They'd just lost HBK; Bret; Bulldog; Sid; Vader and yet Russo increased the ratings (April 98 started to beat WCW).
Bischoff would never do it. Bischoff, Meltzer, any of the people who talk bad about Russo will never do a face to face debate with him. Because all they do is lie to further their own business and Russo would easily dismantle what they’re saying.
You’d think with a creative control clause in a contract the company would require a statute of limitations to it. Meaning if you have an issue you must bring it to the proper channels by xyz time before the event. This prevents the kind of mess where a talent refuses hours before it’s to go live.
@@DBecks09 that was a good feud for both. One of the best things Russo did (and I’m not a Russo fan) was putting Steiner in the main event scene, which ended up with him getting the title
I was explaining to my wife why Vince gets so much heat. First you have Cornette. He's mad because he lost his spot on the creative team and Vince and Ed replaced him. And actually did a phenomenal job. Cornette can complain all he wants but the fact is the product sucked while he and Bruce were handling creative. WCW had the WWF against the ropes until McMahon made the move. Btw Dave Meltzer believes it's because of Austin and the Rock. I guess people forget how badly they were booked before Vince took over and helped mold their characters. This leads me to why Bischoff hates Vince. Eric was riding high for 83 weeks until Vince and Ed found the formula to spank him and Eric eventually got demoted. To make matters worse Vince and Ed gets hired by WCW and started to turn it around in the ratings. Then the politicians started to play and got Vince and Ed removed. Eric can act like he came back with good intentions when he begged Siegel for his job back but his plan was to bury Russo anyway he could. I believe Vince and Hogan had a plan for Bash 2000 but Eric got in Hogan's ear and the rest is history.... Btw their tournament idea was horrible... I don't get why Hogan had a problem with Booker T winning the belt... He acts like Booker was trying to hook up with his daughter. Smh we know he feels about certain people... 😂😂😂😂
Well this is interesting... The producers say they had Vince on for another episode and Russo overheard them talking about the B.A.T.B episode and Russo asked them to let him be part of it. BUT here Russo says they came knocking and he charged the 10x the normal rate to do it. Their stories couldn't be more far apart.
Fuckin hell, I always miss these by like 10 mins. Uncle Vinnie, your interview with Chris Van Fleet was awesome. Don’t do any more episodes on DSotR, because they will always find a way to bury you. Like Stevie said, burying you is like the equivalent of starting a “U-S-A” chant. Cheap pop among the IWC morons. Lance Storm is a nobody. The only success he ever had outside of ECW was when you had the pencil. Talk about “biting the hand that fed you”… For him to bury you on a regular basis, just shows how ungrateful he is. Then Bischoff saying “It’s not like Hulk took this to multiple courts, like the Supreme Court”, then immediately after, the subtitles read (I’m paraphrasing) “For the record, the Supreme Court of Georgia found Hogan’s case to be frivolous, and also denied his case & threw it out”. It was like an instant reaction, showing that Bischoff was lying. Typical behavior among the anti-Russo figures in the industry.
This wasn’t a Russo vs Bischoff. This was AOL/time Warner not wanting to deal with business partners. They didn’t want to pay hogan. So instead of them dealing with it. They let this play out.
Vice has turned into an SJW cesspit in recent years so I wouldn't have had much faith in the 1st place tbh. Truth is not what they seek. It used to be quite edgy and funny 20 years ago though.
Hey Vince hey Stevie yeah definitely broadcasting their press conferences post pay-per-view press conferences is taking what AEW does but then he's been doing post wrestling pay-per-view press conferences since at least the '90s there was one after WrestleMania 14 in case you forgot Vince
No stevie this wasnt dark side of the ring did Booker t become champion or not we wanna know what the heck happened with Hogan, Russo, and Jarrett period
It doesnt even make sense from the jump, how can russo say "you're not leaving with the title" when hogan HAS CREATIVE CONTROL?! Right or wrong, you legit can't tell hogan he's not leaving as champion whem that's what he wants creatively. It's in his contract. Thats the first part of this that's wrong, secondly, why in the hell would you try to fool the boys when all of this is a work? Russo has a patern of trying to work everyone which again, is exactly what you're not supppsed to do in this business. Hogan and bischoff definitely knew what was going to happen and it was a WORK BUT you can tell even today, hogan doesn't like being called bald, or old and russo called him both of those things in his promo... and right there, is why hogan didnt want to come back.
Having Creative Control doesn't mean he gets to dictate who is Champion. He gets control over his stories and his character. That doesn't mean he can say something like "I want to hold all the titles at the same time". And they have to do it.
@@kevinlee9929He could change the finishes to his matches. If Russo booked Hogan in a World Title match, Hogan had the right to say he's gonna win the title. That's on WCW, not Hogan. WCW offered him that contract, with that right in it, and they signed, just as Hogan did. And the infamous January through April 2000 period. Kevin Sullivan has stated that he wrote different stuff to what ended up on television, but some talent had the right to change it, and so they did. And then he had to write the next show to continue on from the altered formats, not from what he had intended to do.
@@danielburger1775 That still differs from him having Carte Blanch and demanding and doing whatever. If Russo has the mentality that Hogan is not leaving as champ. He has the right to feel like that. He doesn't have to just throw his arms up and accept what Hogan wants as final. And he didn't. He came up with a way that Hogan got his win. And Booker won the belt.
@@kevinlee9929 Actually, Hogan DID have carte blanche. He also had the right to change the finishes of his friends' matches(eg. Ed Leslie, Brian Knobbs). It seems strange, but remember that National Crockett(85-88) lost a fortune. The 88-94 WCW lost a fortune. Meltzer or Cornette may talk about "five star matches", but the fact is for years on end that company was a financial disaster of epic proportions. Nearly everyone in Turner wanted to just shut it down, but Ted Turner kept it alive. When Hogan was brought into WCW, for the first time in an eternity, WCW MADE money. Then they made tons of money, got great sponsorship deals, became cool instead of a punchline, and just kept growing and getting more profitable. At that point, giving Hogan those clauses in his contract made perfect sense.
The selfish Hogan comments are ridiculous. You never hear about how austin was selfish, walked out when he didn't get his way, came back for the money..its like real world. Its everyman for himself at jobs..unless ur a u ion guy and the bum next to you makes the same as u just for showing up.
Hogan was way more over than JJ and Booker at the time. I watched nitro every week. You guys could easily have done an actual match where Hogan and JJ wrestled, Hulk wins in controversial fashion and leaves with the belt. Russo then intros a new belt and a battle Royal happens for number one contender. Booker wins and a tired JJ and Booker fight at the end of the PPV. Booker wins, then Hulk and Booker start a surprise feud to unify the belts at Halloween Havok. Problem solved.
The one nice thing I can say about Hogan is that at least in AWA he didn't pull a Triple H. By that I mean is that Hogan didn't accept Verne Gagne's offer to have Hogan marry Verne's Daughter I believe it was and Verne would've made Hogan a bigger star before McMahon did it.
@@B1G_UN1T either way bro. He could've easily taken the easy route but decided against it so he went to WWE. And hey even tho I gave props to Hogan, I also still don't believe anything that comes outta that guy's mouth. We don't know if Verne's Daughter looked like him. U haven't seen her, I haven't seen her so how can we say she's unattractive? Cause Hogan said it? Hogan also said he never used his creative control clause on anything but he lied.
@@JCLopez209 HHH was already a WWE Champion and Main Event Guy long before Stephanie stuff happened.. so your argument doesn't make a lot of sense.. The Real issue was Verne was knowingly not pushing Hogan n didn't want him to rise to the top.. he even offered Iron Shiek Money to legit injure Hogan During their Championship Match.. no Wonder Hogan didn't want to do anything with such a promoter..
@@cityhunter6754 he offered Sheik money to hurt Hogan for not taking his offer. Also it's been well documented that Triple H cheated on Chyna with Stephanie and then his push started to take off and eventually he became part of the family for real and part of corporate
@@JCLopez209 So he offered money to hurt Hogan just because Hogan didn't want to stay with AWA or his daughter.. and neither he was pushing Hogan as the top star.. so that's Vernes problems.. any sane man would leave that.. As far as HHH Steph Chyna stuff goes.. Trips may have dumped Chyna for Steph.. but that doesn't necessarily means that he became a top guy because of that.. Vince was always high on him and he even was supposed to win the king of the Ring 96 which ironically resulted in rise of Austin 3:16.. If it wasn't for that curtain call incident maybe HHH would have been the main face of Attitude Era..
The wrestling business is based on rumors, lies and power struggles. Throw in juicing, substance abuse along with massive egos and you have endless stories of violence and death.
The Vice crew are the typical internet wrestling marks. Everything is WWEs fault and Russo sucks and Hogan/Warrior are terrible, etc etc etc. They hit all the notes. They have done some great and intriguing episodes but they also do the smarky framing, especially in season 3
Judy Bagwell on a pole... Viagra on a pole... Would be the most interesting thing to ever happen on an AEW TV show. (And WWE outside of some of the Bloodline stuff, which is the only story they have had the last several years.)
Look Stevie Richards is a legend and Vince Russo should be the 1st WWE writer in the hall of fame.. but the other guy, there's only 1 question.."Who'd he ever beat?"...lol Just saying he talks like he was a name in the business.what did he ever do?
No one ever seems to notice, or if they do they don't point it out, vice, Conrad etc, anytime this gets talked about, and I love Eric, but he always says "Vince is lying his ass off" and then procedes to tell the exact same story that vince has been telling for 23 years now 😂 .. hulk is the one that's been lying all these years and acting like he didn't know Jeff was gonna lay down and all this... But even now he finally admits that was a work.. the only thing they say is they didn't know Vince was gonna say what he said in the promo, and Vince has always admitted that they didn't know he was gonna say any of that cause it wasn't scripted out! Lol
It was a coup to try to have hogan sue wcw/Russo ran wcw And have him pushed out because of that sorta loss Which would leave wcw open and of course Eric knew about the potential sell.he was trying to buy it Then him and hogan would have had wcw to themselves
Vince knew the vultures would assemble as soon as he went on this show, he took the money , loved the limelight he never gets anymore but now bitches about the response, the absolute nerve he has to con his fan base out of money to answer questions is shameful, its ironic that he bleats all the time on the carnies in the wrestling business that he is the biggest Carney to come out of it
Another Bash at the Beach finish could have been Eric Bishoff screw Jeff Jarrett and tell Russo that he was a mole inside the New Blood and begin a new feud
Good listen. Except bald guy throwing shade at aew ratings. It's 2023. Nothing does 3.2 anymore except maybe nfl games. Aew's .32 is good enough for the top spot on Wednesday nights. It's a different world.
Ok here's my thing Jeff Jarrett shouldn't be in main event spot I don't care what Russo's booking or whatever yeah I can see booker T being pushed but not Jeff he' mid card all the way sorry just how I feel even if Jeff Jarrett losses to Booker t still Jeff should never ever be put in main event...... people never wanted TNA didn't want it Jeff wasn't never the chosen one and at this time Russo wasn't the same guy in WWE so I can see hulk and Eric what they did so to avoid all this Jeff take him out the spot there never would of happen you had plenty of top guys at WCW at the time
That bald guy is so off. The industry is the hottest it’s been in decades due to the good in ring action. The whacky, Jerry Springer stuff ran its course and wrestling went downhill for decades. The innovative in ring action is what brought pro wrestling back to where it is now. The top.
Because if Jeff was the top and the best back then he would have a bigger spot in aew now TK sees it and we see it look if John Cena came to aew where would he be book now same as rock taker look even sting has a good spot now Jeff his mid and aew jobber and brings heat last time I check heat shouldn't be in top spots or dom Dom rays son would be in main events spot lol I respect Jeff Jarrett but that's the truth sorry Russo your boy isn't the chosen one
Shame? They didn’t have to pay it. He said - pay me silly money and I’ll do it. Now he’ll have a great Christmas and you’ll still be crying on the internet.
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I'm seeing lots of unbiased viewers (casual fans) of Dark Side saying that Russo was the only one that came across as believable.
Bischoff and Meltzer are full of it.
Jeff Jarrett did too
I remember years ago my cousin and I ran into Stevie at an MCW show. Super nice guy, the three of us shot the shit for about 15-20 minutes outside the venue. A group of fans came over at one point and I heard one guy ask his buddy… what’s his name? His buddy said… that’s Stevie Nicks. 😂😂 til this day my cousin and I still laugh about that. 😂
Jarrett came off great. Hogan and Bischoff came off looking like two thieves in the night. No clue why Meltzer is involved with these things. Overall, I think the show made the relationship between Bischoff and Hogan the antagonist. I think having more of an emphasis on Booker T being the next face of the company would've provided some balance to the show as it's probably the most significant part of all of this.
Meltzer is involved because the vice guys are his audience if you couldn't tell hy how they frame their episodes
@@marcbasilyet the guys who he backed are still over to this day? Oi when the hate turns into ignorance
Jarrett was a pawn in hulk and Eric's game those are the facts
Russo's promo at bash at the beach was legendary. One of the best
No its Sucks . you wanna talk about legendary kid . is when Roddy Piper Slap Vince Russo's face in TNA in front of everyone, insulting him, and teaching him a lesson in respecting legends, and defending Hulk Hogan in front of Vince Russo. thank you thank yo . thats what i call legendary 😆 i love it
Or they’re both good
@@Aizenborgman Roddy Piper’s promo was based on a false premise. It was basically a public temper tantrum.
Not a money drawing promo but it in terms of his delivery I think it's up there with the best.
@@Aizenborgmanvince and roddy made amends
You made a great point on this live Vince that everybody seems to gloss over. The Jarrett-Hogan match happened in the middle of the card, therefore everybody in that building had to know that the main event was going to be Booker T vs Jeff Jarrett since there was so much time left on the show. I think that Hogan got into his feelings as soon as people brought up your promo
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I agree
Russo hated hulk Hogan why does he have to lie?
@@michaelrubin9547 what? I think the point is that he’s not lying.
@@nintendoconvert4045 no he's lying
Bischoff says in his 83 weeks podcast he knew about the fax sent on Friday night. He said " i told hogan to send it"
Bischoff also said in his 83 weeks podcast, " if me and Russo had a disagreement Brad Segal would make the final creative decision"
Yea, and I wish Conrad would speak up sometime and say dude you and Russo are telling the same story, it was a work and you and hulk didn't know he was gonna say what he said in the promo.. the only liar is hulk who's been telling everyone for 23 years that the whole thing was a shoot and he didn't even know Jarrett was laying down.. Vince and Eric literally tell the same story and call each other liars and yet hulk is the one that's been telling a different story 😂.. well was, now he kind of finally fessed up
Funny How they call Russo a Pathological Liar but look at Hogan and all the "Stuff" he had said during all these Years 😆
Some people forget about Halloween Havoc 99, which was basically the precursor to the Bash at the Beach 00 incident. Hogan reluctantly lost to Sting by laying down for him. This is likely to have influenced Russos 'screwing' of Hogan, as he effectively was playing hardball twice.
So glad to see stevie💪
I loved when Russo buried Hogan. It was very believable at the time. I'm more of a Cornette guy and generally agree with him regarding Russo, but this was one of the best moments/moves made by Russo.
I'm a Cornette guy as well, but I don't hate Russo.. He would come out and talk to the fans with Jarrett or guys like Dlo sometimes when he first arrived in TNA and seemed like a genuine guy when I met him at 14..
Cornette and Russo have mirror images of pro wrestling but from different angles. They both say the same things. Damn shame they can't reconcile.
It was real Russo is a liar
@@michaelrubin9547if it was real. It makes Eric and Hulk look even worse than Vince and makes them even less credible
@@michaelrubin9547Did your Lord and Savior Jim Cornette tell you that? 😂
Booker T winning the belt was the coolest shit ever
The difference between Bash at the Beach 2000 and the Montreal screwjob was that McMahon was smart enough to run with it and become the great villain, which lead to Stone Cold standing up to the evil boss! WCW wanted to sweep it under the rug, which is what other people in WWF wanted to do in 1997! If the owner of WCW had Russo's back, they probably could have taken Bash at the Beach to create new stories and developed something that eventually helped the ratings.
Hogan was clearly working. He wasn't mad. He was working. Jarrett seemed more upset about it, so I believe he is either a much better worker or he didn't know.
I believe Hulk and possibly Bischoff knew the whole plan and it was 100% a work!
Of course he was angry you're a moron he wasn't working
Hogan and Bischoff didn’t. It wasn’t worth the lawsuit
Good points about why wouldn't Brad Siegel have fired you at the next opportunity if you had really done all of this on your own against what was agreed upon. And you say they left out the part that Hogan agreed with you and liked your idea that he would have one belt and Booker would have the other in the meantime.
Because it would make Brad Siegel look bad, especially since he brought Russo a few months Before that
Because Siegel didn't like terry either duh
That episode of dark side of the ring really exposed how much stroke Hogan had with Eric and highlighted how much of a negative Hogan was for WCW , WcW starpower was stacked but no young talent was being pushed apart Goldberg
I think Lance Storm appeared in many other episodes this season and I’m guessing they just ask him about it while using him for other episodes.
It did seem odd having him in it and that is my guess.
the funniest thing I ever seen Jarrett do is smash Beetlejuice over the head with his guitar 🤣
"what did you call me?"
"SLAP NUTS!!!" 😆😆😆
I love how people say Russo rating were so high bc of the roster in 1998 and 1999... check the roster in 2003 and the ratings were down
The same roster was there in 96/97.
The same roster was there(plus new people) in 2000-2002/3.
So, what was different about 98/99?
WWF's roster was at its leanest when Russo became the sole writer yet he still managed to turn the ship around using episodic storytelling. They'd just lost HBK; Bret; Bulldog; Sid; Vader and yet Russo increased the ratings (April 98 started to beat WCW).
We need to get Eric Bischoff and Vince Russo to do a live debate.
Bischoff would never do it. Bischoff, Meltzer, any of the people who talk bad about Russo will never do a face to face debate with him. Because all they do is lie to further their own business and Russo would easily dismantle what they’re saying.
Main person whos fault this is Eric Bischoff for giving him that creative control Contract vince.mcmahon never gave.him that kind of power
Damn i didn't know the whole crew was there for this one. 🙌🙌🙌
You’d think with a creative control clause in a contract the company would require a statute of limitations to it. Meaning if you have an issue you must bring it to the proper channels by xyz time before the event.
This prevents the kind of mess where a talent refuses hours before it’s to go live.
Yes absolutely but in the long run creative control doesn't mean anything if your boss says you're losing tonight then that's what's happening
I do think Goldberg should’ve gotten the WCW title In 2000, even if it wasn’t for the longest time, he was still hot then in 2000
His feud against Scott Steiner was amazing, though, and worked perfectly without the title.
@@DBecks09 that was a good feud for both. One of the best things Russo did (and I’m not a Russo fan) was putting Steiner in the main event scene, which ended up with him getting the title
I was explaining to my wife why Vince gets so much heat. First you have Cornette. He's mad because he lost his spot on the creative team and Vince and Ed replaced him. And actually did a phenomenal job. Cornette can complain all he wants but the fact is the product sucked while he and Bruce were handling creative. WCW had the WWF against the ropes until McMahon made the move. Btw Dave Meltzer believes it's because of Austin and the Rock. I guess people forget how badly they were booked before Vince took over and helped mold their characters. This leads me to why Bischoff hates Vince. Eric was riding high for 83 weeks until Vince and Ed found the formula to spank him and Eric eventually got demoted. To make matters worse Vince and Ed gets hired by WCW and started to turn it around in the ratings. Then the politicians started to play and got Vince and Ed removed. Eric can act like he came back with good intentions when he begged Siegel for his job back but his plan was to bury Russo anyway he could. I believe Vince and Hogan had a plan for Bash 2000 but Eric got in Hogan's ear and the rest is history.... Btw their tournament idea was horrible... I don't get why Hogan had a problem with Booker T winning the belt... He acts like Booker was trying to hook up with his daughter. Smh we know he feels about certain people... 😂😂😂😂
You hit the nail bro. That is very plausible
Stevie your the man for the 2k5!!! Best football game ever made!!
It's a Canadian Network that's why Lance Storm is on there that's why it's usually Canadian people on there
Considering Russo is ‘bad for wrestling’ how is his booking still talked about and debated 20+ years later?
Agreed. (Turning the WWF's ratings around in 97-99 to win the Monday night wars was "bad for the WWF" in their books, probably..)
Well this is interesting... The producers say they had Vince on for another episode and Russo overheard them talking about the B.A.T.B episode and Russo asked them to let him be part of it. BUT here Russo says they came knocking and he charged the 10x the normal rate to do it. Their stories couldn't be more far apart.
Fuckin hell, I always miss these by like 10 mins. Uncle Vinnie, your interview with Chris Van Fleet was awesome. Don’t do any more episodes on DSotR, because they will always find a way to bury you. Like Stevie said, burying you is like the equivalent of starting a “U-S-A” chant. Cheap pop among the IWC morons. Lance Storm is a nobody. The only success he ever had outside of ECW was when you had the pencil. Talk about “biting the hand that fed you”… For him to bury you on a regular basis, just shows how ungrateful he is. Then Bischoff saying “It’s not like Hulk took this to multiple courts, like the Supreme Court”, then immediately after, the subtitles read (I’m paraphrasing) “For the record, the Supreme Court of Georgia found Hogan’s case to be frivolous, and also denied his case & threw it out”. It was like an instant reaction, showing that Bischoff was lying. Typical behavior among the anti-Russo figures in the industry.
I agree with some of this but ur a mark 😂
You guys are the best
Damn. Bin's take on Meltzer and what's wrong with wrestling was biblical 🙌
I'm so happy you're doing this on your own channel with these two and not on Sportskeeda with that Snorefest, Dr Chris 🫡
*Dr Cringe
@@TheLedonne3 I stand corrected 😅🤣😂
Omg Dr. Chris is sooo boring, totally agree
@@christopherb.8465 then alot of times he goes off on these long, monotone ramblings - sheesh!
The "expertise" Dr Chris brings to the table (pop psychology mumbo jumbo) really doesn't add anything.
This wasn’t a Russo vs Bischoff. This was AOL/time Warner not wanting to deal with business partners. They didn’t want to pay hogan. So instead of them dealing with it. They let this play out.
OWN One Warrior Nation he tells the real truth about Hogan awsome you stood up to him dude
Would've been interesting seeing a Warrior/Russo collaboration in those days.
Yeah I believe Russo warrior said hogan was malicious
I mean if the plan was to bring back Hogan in October as the real champion? Why put him down so hard in the promo?
Heat
Russo didn't even know what he was going to say, he shot from the hip. Which is the worst thing to do when you can't actually cut a promo like Russo.
To make it as real as possible. WCW was desperate at that time and needed buzz
@@randylynch4330 it was real
NFL 2K5 is fantastic
Was bash at the beach good for wcw ?
Vice has turned into an SJW cesspit in recent years so I wouldn't have had much faith in the 1st place tbh. Truth is not what they seek. It used to be quite edgy and funny 20 years ago though.
Spot on.
Vice for sure has an agenda which was apparent after they tried to get Ric Flair cancelled.
Facts
Vice is garbage, it's a far left cesspool. These people aren't brave, they're sick and need help.
Hey Vince hey Stevie yeah definitely broadcasting their press conferences post pay-per-view press conferences is taking what AEW does but then he's been doing post wrestling pay-per-view press conferences since at least the '90s there was one after WrestleMania 14 in case you forgot Vince
Was that celebration for 100.00 in Dominican Pesos? Whoever sent that was brilliant.. haha
Shout out to Stevie for mentioning NFL 2k5
Big Stevie Cool Still Looks The Same From The 1990s Amazing
The doctor is in
Very interesting bot BOOKER was not in WCW for 14 year. Booker started in WCW in 1993. Hence 7 years in 2000
No stevie this wasnt dark side of the ring did Booker t become champion or not we wanna know what the heck happened with Hogan, Russo, and Jarrett period
It doesnt even make sense from the jump, how can russo say "you're not leaving with the title" when hogan HAS CREATIVE CONTROL?! Right or wrong, you legit can't tell hogan he's not leaving as champion whem that's what he wants creatively.
It's in his contract. Thats the first part of this that's wrong, secondly, why in the hell would you try to fool the boys when all of this is a work? Russo has a patern of trying to work everyone which again, is exactly what you're not supppsed to do in this business.
Hogan and bischoff definitely knew what was going to happen and it was a WORK BUT you can tell even today, hogan doesn't like being called bald, or old and russo called him both of those things in his promo... and right there, is why hogan didnt want to come back.
Having Creative Control doesn't mean he gets to dictate who is Champion. He gets control over his stories and his character. That doesn't mean he can say something like "I want to hold all the titles at the same time". And they have to do it.
@@kevinlee9929He could change the finishes to his matches.
If Russo booked Hogan in a World Title match, Hogan had the right to say he's gonna win the title.
That's on WCW, not Hogan. WCW offered him that contract, with that right in it, and they signed, just as Hogan did.
And the infamous January through April 2000 period. Kevin Sullivan has stated that he wrote different stuff to what ended up on television, but some talent had the right to change it, and so they did. And then he had to write the next show to continue on from the altered formats, not from what he had intended to do.
@@danielburger1775 That still differs from him having Carte Blanch and demanding and doing whatever. If Russo has the mentality that Hogan is not leaving as champ. He has the right to feel like that. He doesn't have to just throw his arms up and accept what Hogan wants as final. And he didn't. He came up with a way that Hogan got his win. And Booker won the belt.
@@kevinlee9929 Actually, Hogan DID have carte blanche.
He also had the right to change the finishes of his friends' matches(eg. Ed Leslie, Brian Knobbs).
It seems strange, but remember that National Crockett(85-88) lost a fortune. The 88-94 WCW lost a fortune. Meltzer or Cornette may talk about "five star matches", but the fact is for years on end that company was a financial disaster of epic proportions. Nearly everyone in Turner wanted to just shut it down, but Ted Turner kept it alive.
When Hogan was brought into WCW, for the first time in an eternity, WCW MADE money. Then they made tons of money, got great sponsorship deals, became cool instead of a punchline, and just kept growing and getting more profitable. At that point, giving Hogan those clauses in his contract made perfect sense.
9 Illuminati hand shakes .. Lol 😆
The selfish Hogan comments are ridiculous. You never hear about how austin was selfish, walked out when he didn't get his way, came back for the money..its like real world. Its everyman for himself at jobs..unless ur a u ion guy and the bum next to you makes the same as u just for showing up.
He meant the "meltzer" ratings went down
now we know why booker t was "coming for you..." . Thanks for being honest Gents.
Hogan was way more over than JJ and Booker at the time. I watched nitro every week. You guys could easily have done an actual match where Hogan and JJ wrestled, Hulk wins in controversial fashion and leaves with the belt. Russo then intros a new belt and a battle Royal happens for number one contender. Booker wins and a tired JJ and Booker fight at the end of the PPV. Booker wins, then Hulk and Booker start a surprise feud to unify the belts at Halloween Havok. Problem solved.
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Bump on the apron Exactly
Sturgis Motorcycle Rally dude's last day
The one nice thing I can say about Hogan is that at least in AWA he didn't pull a Triple H. By that I mean is that Hogan didn't accept Verne Gagne's offer to have Hogan marry Verne's Daughter I believe it was and Verne would've made Hogan a bigger star before McMahon did it.
Verne's daughter was unattactive and said to look like a female version of Verne. Hogan wasn't attacted to her, he's said it in interviews
@@B1G_UN1T either way bro. He could've easily taken the easy route but decided against it so he went to WWE. And hey even tho I gave props to Hogan, I also still don't believe anything that comes outta that guy's mouth. We don't know if Verne's Daughter looked like him. U haven't seen her, I haven't seen her so how can we say she's unattractive? Cause Hogan said it? Hogan also said he never used his creative control clause on anything but he lied.
@@JCLopez209 HHH was already a WWE Champion and Main Event Guy long before Stephanie stuff happened.. so your argument doesn't make a lot of sense..
The Real issue was Verne was knowingly not pushing Hogan n didn't want him to rise to the top.. he even offered Iron Shiek Money to legit injure Hogan During their Championship Match.. no Wonder Hogan didn't want to do anything with such a promoter..
@@cityhunter6754 he offered Sheik money to hurt Hogan for not taking his offer. Also it's been well documented that Triple H cheated on Chyna with Stephanie and then his push started to take off and eventually he became part of the family for real and part of corporate
@@JCLopez209 So he offered money to hurt Hogan just because Hogan didn't want to stay with AWA or his daughter.. and neither he was pushing Hogan as the top star.. so that's Vernes problems.. any sane man would leave that..
As far as HHH Steph Chyna stuff goes.. Trips may have dumped Chyna for Steph.. but that doesn't necessarily means that he became a top guy because of that.. Vince was always high on him and he even was supposed to win the king of the Ring 96 which ironically resulted in rise of Austin 3:16..
If it wasn't for that curtain call incident maybe HHH would have been the main face of Attitude Era..
Tiny Arm Pose-off-LOL
Facts 🤣
The wcw was doomed to fail and that was it
Maybe only cause bret got hurt
Dark Side of the Ring has done more harm than good for wrestling. The editing doesn’t make many of the talking heads ever look good.
The wrestling business is based on rumors, lies and power struggles. Throw in juicing, substance abuse along with massive egos and you have endless stories of violence and death.
Hogan is a bit of a selfish human Testicle...
The Vice crew are the typical internet wrestling marks. Everything is WWEs fault and Russo sucks and Hogan/Warrior are terrible, etc etc etc. They hit all the notes. They have done some great and intriguing episodes but they also do the smarky framing, especially in season 3
true I despi se them
Im not a russo fan but i like how hes wearing a blue jay jersey
What an odd comment on a video on Vince Russo's page.
@@piffflair2624why is that odd?
If you're going to compare ratings shouldn't you be comparing the 13 weeks Vince and Ed were writing to the previous 13 weeks? 😐
Michael Diana? The Boiled Angel guy??
Lance Storm was on the roster. Don't let storm has as much right to talk about it is anybody. Because the main players involved all have lied about it
Booker t never draw nothing being world champion so i dont see the point
Vince Russo turned Mike Awesome into that 70s guy, I just can’t get over it
Fat chick thriller 😂
I thought Stevie Richards' fav game would be Retromania since he's in it lol. But yea NFL 2k5 is a cult hit 👍
Judy bagwell. On a forklift. Match. Greatest piece of rasslin history 🤙
Judy Bagwell on a pole... Viagra on a pole... Would be the most interesting thing to ever happen on an AEW TV show. (And WWE outside of some of the Bloodline stuff, which is the only story they have had the last several years.)
Look Stevie Richards is a legend and Vince Russo should be the 1st WWE writer in the hall of fame.. but the other guy, there's only 1 question.."Who'd he ever beat?"...lol
Just saying he talks like he was a name in the business.what did he ever do?
No one ever seems to notice, or if they do they don't point it out, vice, Conrad etc, anytime this gets talked about, and I love Eric, but he always says "Vince is lying his ass off" and then procedes to tell the exact same story that vince has been telling for 23 years now 😂 .. hulk is the one that's been lying all these years and acting like he didn't know Jeff was gonna lay down and all this... But even now he finally admits that was a work.. the only thing they say is they didn't know Vince was gonna say what he said in the promo, and Vince has always admitted that they didn't know he was gonna say any of that cause it wasn't scripted out! Lol
Dr Stevie Richards.
Bro. Bro. Bro. Bro. 🗣️
I do have to admit i was a HUGE wcw fan in the 90s and when jeff Jarrett became champ i stopped watching. I had xpac heat for jarrett
Cornette still running scared of this man
It was a coup to try to have hogan sue wcw/Russo ran wcw
And have him pushed out because of that sorta loss
Which would leave wcw open and of course Eric knew about the potential sell.he was trying to buy it
Then him and hogan would have had wcw to themselves
The Bash
Bin Hama has an acid tongue
Russo doesn't like the word fuck, but he says bro a lot. I'm more offended by bro than fuck
booker t was with t the company 7 years not 14 STEVIE
Vince knew the vultures would assemble as soon as he went on this show, he took the money , loved the limelight he never gets anymore but now bitches about the response, the absolute nerve he has to con his fan base out of money to answer questions is shameful, its ironic that he bleats all the time on the carnies in the wrestling business that he is the biggest Carney to come out of it
Another Bash at the Beach finish could have been Eric Bishoff screw Jeff Jarrett and tell Russo that he was a mole inside the New Blood and begin a new feud
They brought in Bischoff to get blood on his hands. Vs aol time Warner at the time. I mean AOL TIME WARNER screwed WCW.
It's a work it's a shoot it was planned it wasn't planned Vince still isn't sure which story makes him sound better
It was a shoot
Good listen. Except bald guy throwing shade at aew ratings. It's 2023. Nothing does 3.2 anymore except maybe nfl games. Aew's .32 is good enough for the top spot on Wednesday nights. It's a different world.
37:19 Bin Hamin 1000% on point!
Ok here's my thing Jeff Jarrett shouldn't be in main event spot I don't care what Russo's booking or whatever yeah I can see booker T being pushed but not Jeff he' mid card all the way sorry just how I feel even if Jeff Jarrett losses to Booker t still Jeff should never ever be put in main event...... people never wanted TNA didn't want it Jeff wasn't never the chosen one and at this time Russo wasn't the same guy in WWE so I can see hulk and Eric what they did so to avoid all this Jeff take him out the spot there never would of happen you had plenty of top guys at WCW at the time
Gotta say though...for demonizing people in creative whether that be russo or bischoff, you all gotta find more in your own life that fulfills you
Everyone demonizes everyone. Look at politics bro
@@jasonalexander7089 alright man
That’s what Russo tells marks like Meltzer every week
He’s a liar. He said he didn’t know what he was going to say? 🤷♂️ this wasn’t plan. Hogan was right ✅
The Powers That Be...WWE. 🤓
Oh Vince Russo,wrestling got murdered in WCW, when you became involved, it was pitiful.
It was already going downhill. WWF was pounding them
@@OldHeadLootCorrect it was, Bischoff let the golden goose deteriorate ,Russo just ran it into the ground.
Good take on NFL2K5, that is the truth.
That bald guy is so off.
The industry is the hottest it’s been in decades due to the good in ring action.
The whacky, Jerry Springer stuff ran its course and wrestling went downhill for decades.
The innovative in ring action is what brought pro wrestling back to where it is now. The top.
You guys are arguing over a .04? Geez
No it's about the lie that it went down.
Vince, why don't you put that one word "bro" in your backpocket and leave it there forever?
Then don't watch
@@jasonalexander7089 Watching is not the problem. It's the listening when he speaks.
37:19 the truth that most cant digest.
Broke people that would rather buy food over donating it away have questions too....
Lol you’re fine just buy food and watch the other peoples questions
Because if Jeff was the top and the best back then he would have a bigger spot in aew now TK sees it and we see it look if John Cena came to aew where would he be book now same as rock taker look even sting has a good spot now Jeff his mid and aew jobber and brings heat last time I check heat shouldn't be in top spots or dom Dom rays son would be in main events spot lol I respect Jeff Jarrett but that's the truth sorry Russo your boy isn't the chosen one
I always thought Booker T got pushed beyond his abilities. He can work, but he didn't didn't have it.
Bro, hey listen Bro...bro.
You take out bro from his vocabulary than he has nothing to fill the space with...
Shame on you for charging 10 times as much cuz let's be real they're keeping your ass relevant dude
Enjoy poverty
No way. Gotta have the pay wall.
Shame? They didn’t have to pay it. He said - pay me silly money and I’ll do it. Now he’ll have a great Christmas and you’ll still be crying on the internet.
I hate cornette.....hate russo more. never stops lying