How good is MAX ANTI-GRAVITY SPEED in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe?

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  • Опубликовано: 28 окт 2024

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  • @EliTheFri
    @EliTheFri 2 месяца назад +1184

    gax manti-aravity

    • @Shortcat321
      @Shortcat321  2 месяца назад +358

      Somehow was not expecting this

    • @Doggo360
      @Doggo360 2 месяца назад +35

      @@Shortcat321 FACE REVEALLLLLLLL PLEASE JPERM IM BEGGING UUU
      RAHHHHHHHH

    • @kincaidehrhard6457
      @kincaidehrhard6457 2 месяца назад +39

      You were 6 vr away from 30,000​@@Shortcat321

    • @bajhi_
      @bajhi_ 2 месяца назад +2

    • @WiiManLei
      @WiiManLei 2 месяца назад +2

      best stat

  • @nox_ious84
    @nox_ious84 2 месяца назад +1221

    everytime shortcat says "thanks nintendo" a year gets added to my lifespan

  • @umdoidoae7539
    @umdoidoae7539 2 месяца назад +203

    6:42
    wario and funky kong just being best buddies and racing together for a whole lap
    they even used the coin at the same time, that was neat

    • @Shortcat321
      @Shortcat321  2 месяца назад +59

      Max speed pals getting that money 💰💰

    • @johannaswank6700
      @johannaswank6700 2 месяца назад

      ​@@Shortcat321 😂funny money

  • @Nathan11107
    @Nathan11107 2 месяца назад +466

    2:18 Shortcat: Snipe?
    Bob-Omb: Eh, don't really feel like it.
    *Flies off the track*

    • @Shortcat321
      @Shortcat321  2 месяца назад +100

      when bob the bob-omb wants to live

    • @Nathan11107
      @Nathan11107 2 месяца назад +7

      ​@@Shortcat321Bobby from Paper Mario: The Origami King but he lives.

    • @craigedwards942
      @craigedwards942 2 месяца назад +1

      Bro really said "alright, I'ma head outta here."

  • @DaDerpHerd
    @DaDerpHerd 2 месяца назад +350

    11:29 the worst part is that Lakitu’s cloud just looks at you like 🙂 while everyone passes you in the cannon

    • @Shortcat321
      @Shortcat321  2 месяца назад +123

      Me: 😡
      Lakitu's cloud: 🙂

    • @iseeyou1067
      @iseeyou1067 2 месяца назад +5

      Lakitu does not feel any remorse

    • @michaelkolano8686
      @michaelkolano8686 2 месяца назад +1

      "you're bagging today buddy"

  • @BlueThunderO7
    @BlueThunderO7 2 месяца назад +208

    It's funny how Mario Kart 8 has a mechanic that was from another racing franchise from Nintendo, but there's not one track in all 96 tracks of the game that has an anti gravity pipe or cylinder for you to race on where you can go fully upside down and then right side up again.

    • @Shortcat321
      @Shortcat321  2 месяца назад +88

      They even had this on rainbow road for mario kart ds. And they could have added it on 3DS Rainbow Road at the spinning boost panels near the end, but just did not 🤷
      I guess the closest thing we have is how Mute City spirals upwards, but you don't really feel it when driving

    • @BlueThunderO7
      @BlueThunderO7 2 месяца назад +20

      @@Shortcat321 I'm honestly disappointed they didn't add that to 3DS Rainbow Road. I've even tried to go inverted on that pipe section a couple times, only to fall on my wheels as soon as I get halfway up the spinning pipe. 😆😆😆

    • @rikibdgd4764
      @rikibdgd4764 2 месяца назад +2

      are u referring to f zero?

    • @BlueThunderO7
      @BlueThunderO7 2 месяца назад +2

      @@rikibdgd4764 Yep.

    • @rikibdgd4764
      @rikibdgd4764 2 месяца назад +1

      @@BlueThunderO7 if f zero gx gets ported to switch 2 id be so happy

  • @pokemon5life167
    @pokemon5life167 2 месяца назад +125

    14:46 can we just talk about that insane snipe on the yellow yoshi

    • @wileecoyotegenius5955
      @wileecoyotegenius5955 2 месяца назад +13

      It was a fake snipe, they didn't slow down so it didn't actually hit them on their screen.

  • @portobellomushroom5764
    @portobellomushroom5764 2 месяца назад +182

    Ending 6 shy of 30K VR is such a tease

    • @DiamondRoller37
      @DiamondRoller37 2 месяца назад +22

      It’s so sad too cause if he got first he might’ve crossed 30k with a max AG combo on _the_ anti-gravity track

    • @BreakofDawn
      @BreakofDawn 2 месяца назад +1

      I know! I couldn’t believe he just ended it!

    • @ShortTurtle-f1w
      @ShortTurtle-f1w 2 месяца назад +2

      bro i was so mad that he ended on that xd

    • @ThisChris
      @ThisChris 2 месяца назад +4

      Maybe one day he will catch the big homie Rod.

    • @bobbobsen8469
      @bobbobsen8469 2 месяца назад

      Hopefully he makes a «Life at 30,000 VR» video

  • @Cole-id4ho
    @Cole-id4ho 2 месяца назад +24

    Thanks for writing the captions, so much better than the auto generated ones🙏

  • @Samuel-et2hv
    @Samuel-et2hv 2 месяца назад +48

    I was NOT ready for shortcat to edit in the transformers sound LMAOOOO 2:57

  • @cms_samuel
    @cms_samuel 2 месяца назад +28

    25:34
    Blooper covering screen❌
    Combo comparison table covering screen✅

    • @Shortcat321
      @Shortcat321  2 месяца назад +21

      Such a devastating item to get hit by

  • @Notveryideal
    @Notveryideal 2 месяца назад +111

    Love how on bone dry dunes, "I'm last" actually got last

    • @Shortcat321
      @Shortcat321  2 месяца назад +31

      Loving the attention to detail i can always find from the comments!

    • @AlexAvila-er7ur
      @AlexAvila-er7ur 2 месяца назад +1

      ​@@Shortcat321, Wario, the legend.

    • @froogality
      @froogality 2 месяца назад

      @@Shortcat321aka you assholes notice anything huh 😂

  • @user-wk6lz4lz6o
    @user-wk6lz4lz6o 2 месяца назад +260

    Nah the stats concepts are going crazy

    • @WiiManLei
      @WiiManLei 2 месяца назад +26

      maximum get hit stat (oh wait that's just the lemmy video)

    • @kazeiroP
      @kazeiroP 2 месяца назад +19

      Maximum war crime stat next (it's just shortcat throwing stuff backwards)

    • @user-wk6lz4lz6o
      @user-wk6lz4lz6o 2 месяца назад +14

      nah he's gonna play max air handling and destroy everyone with motion glider

    • @Frooomage
      @Frooomage 2 месяца назад

      ​@@user-wk6lz4lz6o the fact is that can be real 🤣

    • @Frooomage
      @Frooomage 2 месяца назад +1

      ​@@user-wk6lz4lz6o Oui en plus c'est possible

  • @theanti-person9113
    @theanti-person9113 2 месяца назад +48

    For maximum air speed the goofiest looking combo I think is Dry Bowser + Cat Cruiser + Cushion + Plane Glider.

    • @webbowser8834
      @webbowser8834 2 месяца назад +4

      I need the max air speed video, you don't understand. I need the "I can only win on Rock Rock Mountain" combo.

  • @nathbregou27
    @nathbregou27 2 месяца назад +32

    27:52 the red shell being like Captain America lmao
    "On your left!"

  • @Victuncio
    @Victuncio 2 месяца назад +11

    15:26 was definetly justice for that one time you got boo'd right before the cut with Bowser

  • @someguyonline497
    @someguyonline497 2 месяца назад +21

    2:13 YOOO PLAYABLE SUPER MUSHROOM FINALLY NINTENDO LISTENED TO THERE FANS

  • @Archwing25
    @Archwing25 2 месяца назад +8

    I love when shortcat posts long videos! And I’m glad the “using the max _____ combo” is back!

  • @typicaldf867
    @typicaldf867 2 месяца назад +41

    Bro is so close to 30k vr 🙏😭😭😭

  • @mattb6522
    @mattb6522 2 месяца назад +4

    Good races! 20:14 I've played Mario Kart 8 for a decade and never knew there was terrain priority in this game. It makes sense now, but I always assumed that part of Twisted Mansion still had underwater physics.

  • @user-wk6lz4lz6o
    @user-wk6lz4lz6o 2 месяца назад +13

    9:37 emblematic shortcat videos' moment

  • @jdogbeck1
    @jdogbeck1 2 месяца назад +3

    Your videos put me in a better mood lol it’s the positivity

  • @xNightskyy
    @xNightskyy 2 месяца назад +1

    I love how Shortcat takes the time to make subtitles for each video :)

  • @user-wk6lz4lz6o
    @user-wk6lz4lz6o 2 месяца назад +19

    35:07 bro got betrayed by it's strenght

  • @JPG.01
    @JPG.01 2 месяца назад +1

    I don't even have a Nintendo Switch, nor have I played any mario kart seriously beyond the SNES... Yet I find myself coming back to Shortcat's videos. They are a fun watch.

  • @lkpoulpe6636
    @lkpoulpe6636 2 месяца назад +5

    Lets go a shortcat video!🔥🔥🔥

  • @Darkgrass571
    @Darkgrass571 2 месяца назад +27

    “Thanks Nintendo” classic

  • @SnowySilas
    @SnowySilas 2 месяца назад

    I've been waiting for exactly this video! Thanks for making it, it's interesting seeing it since a lot of people don't know how important Anti-gravity speed is :)

  • @Yahahaha_777
    @Yahahaha_777 2 месяца назад +1

    These are some of your best videos

  • @MartinWilliamsMarty
    @MartinWilliamsMarty 2 месяца назад +1

    Hey shortcut just want to say your pro guide is really helpful and I have been improving thx

  • @eonflutehza131
    @eonflutehza131 2 месяца назад

    I always use max anti gravity builds im so happy you're putting a spotlight on it with this video! Double big blue at the end was awesome too haha

  • @jorissmal1769
    @jorissmal1769 2 месяца назад +5

    13:29 shortcat kinda sounding like mario there

  • @whiptonguebulborb
    @whiptonguebulborb 2 месяца назад +5

    Can’t wait for max airgroundspeedaccelerationturbo stat!!

  • @benolney3337
    @benolney3337 2 месяца назад +9

    you should try doing "i have to take every shortcut" or the opposite "i cant take any shortcuts' as a video idea

    • @TobiasDay1
      @TobiasDay1 2 месяца назад

      no shortcats allowed!!!

    • @bruhbanana1
      @bruhbanana1 2 месяца назад +1

      he already made that first one, i believe it was over a year ago though

  • @handmetheparachute
    @handmetheparachute 2 месяца назад +1

    Ooooh Shortcat video! :O Clearing my schedule now

  • @aquawrld
    @aquawrld 2 месяца назад +4

    i recently played with lowest traction.. and yea, it’s so hard to get a map where it matters. This is why people that say “skill issue” when you can’t succeed on a bad combo like that, don’t actually know how the game works!!
    it’s 100% not worth focusing on one stat unless it’s speed or MT. The amount of maps that it just DOESNT matter how high your anti gravity or glider speed is, is crazy. It’s almost every map in the game (except maybe alpine pass which has a massive glider section that takes up half the map, maybe that)
    If you wanna win, play meta or something close. Villager Ink striker, Inkling Scooty, Yoshi Scooty etc.
    Helps you get used to the muscle memory & not messing with your timing of the MTs.
    If you’re a good player, just play what you want lmao

  • @Raneter
    @Raneter 2 месяца назад +1

    15:22 that roll was insane btw; probably the best popsicle given that situation

    • @Raneter
      @Raneter 2 месяца назад +1

      After watching the rest of the video, he got SOOO lucky for like 90% of these races. Yes he’s super good at the game (with the exception of that shy guy falls run lol) but the amount of times he was conveniently holding a mushroom in first or barely rolled a horn is still pretty lucky

  • @b-jaguar6578
    @b-jaguar6578 2 месяца назад +2

    I was actually going to use this combo and call it the bag combo cuz it's pretty good for having such speed, such a coincidence!

  • @professorkyle
    @professorkyle 2 месяца назад +3

    "Kokoroko...my main rival here"
    Kokoroko: *switches to Kokocat for the final race* 🤣

  • @saddler01
    @saddler01 2 месяца назад +2

    Love the content! Keep up the good work❤

  • @flukehunterthegoat
    @flukehunterthegoat 2 месяца назад +1

    i love these videos about hidden game stats that i didnt know were there. btw i love your vids shortcat

  • @megakirby64
    @megakirby64 2 месяца назад +1

    thx for the incredible captions!

  • @sparky844
    @sparky844 2 месяца назад +2

    Hey Shortcat, i used the stats chart you provided on an earlier video to create the worst possible combination.
    It consists of the heaviest character with the worst Speed + MT sum, Petey Piranha.
    The heaviest kart that has the worst Speed + MT, the 2nd worst Accel + AGS and an enormous hitbox, the Tri-speeder.
    It also has monster wheels to make the hitbox even bigger, kill it's handling + accel and reduce visibility.
    Finally it has the Ancient Glider as it has the worst stats of any glider and the fact that it fits well with the colourscheme.
    Overall the combo looks super sexy and is genuinely infinitely more awful than Bowser Badwagon. It seems to perform much worse in 150cc than 200cc as it is so slow that it can't even drift after getting hit and especially after getting shocked. It has a fighting chance on any map with slippy surfaces but yeah traction is it's only redeeming quality.
    Give it a go! I'd recommend a custom game with: triple bananas, triple greens, triple mushrooms, fire flower, shock, piranha plant. I almost broke my controller doing this👍

  • @lkpoulpe6636
    @lkpoulpe6636 2 месяца назад +3

    Now I am waiting for the max water handling video🗣🗣🗣🔥

    • @DictatePM
      @DictatePM 2 месяца назад +1

      Nah, AIR handling ;)

  • @literallynoone9923
    @literallynoone9923 2 месяца назад +1

    Can't wait for the Max Water Handling video. Thats gonna be very noticable!

  • @koelee
    @koelee 2 месяца назад +1

    26:04 "let's end third place"
    that funky kong ended up second last
    shortcat is a menace to society 😩

  • @linneker_2117
    @linneker_2117 2 месяца назад

    Shortcat, you pick WAAARIO!!
    Love your vids, and I gotta say, your race to 30k VR videos with Troy and Rod were peak 🍿🔥

    • @johannaswank6700
      @johannaswank6700 2 месяца назад

      They are so good together I love it 😀 💗

  • @Paul-hn8en
    @Paul-hn8en 2 месяца назад

    Always a delight when you upload

  • @jackawanter2737
    @jackawanter2737 2 месяца назад +10

    what's next, How bad is MAX GET HIT BY GREEN SHELL STAT?!?!?! 💀

  • @thisworldisepicalsofun929
    @thisworldisepicalsofun929 2 месяца назад +5

    Love your vod's

    • @Daymare19
      @Daymare19 2 месяца назад

      Wait, did you find shortcat,streams? Or something, because shortcat hasn't streamed ever

    • @thisworldisepicalsofun929
      @thisworldisepicalsofun929 2 месяца назад

      @@Daymare19 Does vod mean stream, if so; i thought it meant video's.

    • @Daymare19
      @Daymare19 2 месяца назад

      @@thisworldisepicalsofun929 vod means streams, vid means video (who would have guessed)

    • @jimrdm71
      @jimrdm71 Месяц назад

      @@Daymare19BRO I JUST WANNA WATCH SOME VIDEOS WHY ARE YOU HERE

    • @Daymare19
      @Daymare19 Месяц назад

      @@jimrdm71 cause I am your pillow and watch your every phone activity to calculate where I need to comment

  • @Mrinternet6
    @Mrinternet6 2 месяца назад +11

    0:15 Shortcat using the pro controller?

    • @Bryan.Hernandez
      @Bryan.Hernandez 2 месяца назад +1

      Gamecube controller actually

    • @Lolboy12345
      @Lolboy12345 2 месяца назад

      Its just showing as a pro controller

  • @waughy9103
    @waughy9103 2 месяца назад +1

    I love seeing a yoshi teddy buggy player slow down because of a blue shell, just for 2nd place to have a super horn and mushroom. That made my day.

  • @Bmasterboi
    @Bmasterboi 2 месяца назад

    IVE BEEN WAITING SO LONG THANK YOU 🥹

  • @SenpaiJake
    @SenpaiJake 2 месяца назад +1

    Man love the old school short at coming back!!!

  • @cesaredu13
    @cesaredu13 2 месяца назад +3

    Hi shortcat, big fan. IDEA: play as the WORST COMBO for every character in Mario kart 8 deluxe

  • @Damonmarried2jada4eva
    @Damonmarried2jada4eva 2 месяца назад

    Thank you goatcat for being the series back 🙏

  • @bluerodan561
    @bluerodan561 2 месяца назад +2

    A new Shortcat video means my life is infinitely better today

    • @Tapatos
      @Tapatos Месяц назад

      0 times infinity is still 0

  • @___i3ambi126
    @___i3ambi126 2 месяца назад +3

    20:15
    Shortcat: you think this is underwater? Well youd be silly, because this is anti gravity and it takes priority.
    Max antiG Wario: HA HA HAHA HA

  • @GriffEditzz
    @GriffEditzz 2 месяца назад +1

    Jperm we miss you 😢 my first comp was right after your last and i was hoping to meet you since i’m in metro vancouver as well

  • @RemyWillard
    @RemyWillard 2 месяца назад +1

    2:36 and 25:55
    **toot**
    I actually expected many more timestamps to fit into this particular theme, but I only found these two. If I missed others, hopefully the replies will have me covered. 😆
    33:49
    The universe blessed both of us. You with this Big Blue race, and me with Gorge coming right before it.
    Why was Gorge a blessing for me? Because it added a few extra minutes to this video that would not have been added if Big Blue was chosen in Gorge's place, and since Gorge is *not* The Atrocity (a.k.a. Los Angeles Laps), I didn't have to skip those few extra minutes.

  • @WingedMourner
    @WingedMourner 2 месяца назад +1

    Shortcat not sure if you know, but if you use the coinniyem right as the blue shell tilts towards you to hit you, you can time it to use the coin right as the shell hits so you only lose one coin

  • @Bob2day-z2w
    @Bob2day-z2w 2 месяца назад +1

    you know its a good day when shortcat uploads :)

  • @HWLetsRace
    @HWLetsRace 2 месяца назад

    I thought you were not going to make a video on max anti-gravity but I’m glad you did!

  • @blobmaestro
    @blobmaestro 2 месяца назад +1

    It's a good day when Shortcat uploads!

  • @jeh_10
    @jeh_10 2 месяца назад

    It sure devestated the cubing community when you switched to uploading more stiff here than JPerm, but it sounds like you are much happier doing this than any cubing video of yours. Thanks for the cubing tutorials and keep doing what you're doing!

  • @peppergunso7849
    @peppergunso7849 2 месяца назад

    when u were talking abt ur kart parts on dk jungle, i think its worth noting that inkstriker has mach 8 stats - it def feels to me like they wanted the 'iconic' vehicle of mk8 to just absolutely shred everywhere. its air and water speed are great too

  • @JimStrawberry
    @JimStrawberry 2 месяца назад

    one thing good about mariokart videos is that you dont even have to edit that much. all you need is cut the unnecessarry parts out of the video wich still might be time consuming considering your videos are mosly over half an hour long so i hope you have an easy and good time editing these videos, i love your content, i would love to know if its easy or hard editing these videos.

  • @theodorethewyvern2640
    @theodorethewyvern2640 2 месяца назад +4

    17:53 Wario punches Birdo in the face

  • @JohannesBleeker-d5t
    @JohannesBleeker-d5t 2 месяца назад

    "Thank you pro guide" 10:14 shortcat never changes

  • @georgi1949
    @georgi1949 2 месяца назад

    Love your vids shortcat keep up the great content!!

  • @Mikko973
    @Mikko973 2 месяца назад +2

    After this video we can only expect a video of the lowest anti-gravity combo!

  • @ximmieboy7461
    @ximmieboy7461 2 месяца назад +2

    Short idea are speed items better in the air/water/anti-gravity if you have high water/anti-gravity/air speed

  • @EliteNotHD
    @EliteNotHD 2 месяца назад +1

    We need 10 hours of shortcat controller noises.

  • @il-u-n-a
    @il-u-n-a 2 месяца назад +3

    Mario Kart Idea: Now do a challenge where you can't collect any coins 🪙

  • @Dannycool454
    @Dannycool454 2 месяца назад +1

    Jperm back with another banger

  • @arthurvoyer3880
    @arthurvoyer3880 2 месяца назад

    I was sure to know this voice !! Obviously it's you Jperm ;)
    Loved to hear your voice again even if it's not cubing ! Hope you're doing well 😁

  • @rogueemmett171
    @rogueemmett171 2 месяца назад

    I love how all of a sudden anti-gravity is the most important thing to shortcat even though he knows it doesn’t make that much of a difference in the long run

  • @Jaxzee
    @Jaxzee 2 месяца назад +1

    You know it’s going to be a good day when shortcat uploads

    • @Daymare19
      @Daymare19 2 месяца назад

      Who is shortcut

    • @Jaxzee
      @Jaxzee 2 месяца назад

      @@Daymare19shortcat

    • @Daymare19
      @Daymare19 2 месяца назад

      @@Jaxzee edited if course

  • @AnonymousAnonymous-je8mu
    @AnonymousAnonymous-je8mu 2 месяца назад +1

    We need a shortcat item ranking list next

  • @thesillyduck.
    @thesillyduck. 2 месяца назад +3

    Mute city just found its soulmate.

  • @MunsterMo
    @MunsterMo 2 месяца назад

    9:36
    Truly a “thanks Nintendo” moment

  • @Yo_soy_Annna
    @Yo_soy_Annna 2 месяца назад

    Love you videos shortcat!!!! I am still laughing at that reverse ShortCat Mii imposter 🤣 love these classic style Shortcat challenges

  • @shadowsilvertailsfan
    @shadowsilvertailsfan 2 месяца назад +1

    Shortcat, You pick, WAAARRRIO

  • @nouche
    @nouche 2 месяца назад +1

    Rock Rock Mountain happens to be the update with which they made it so that shocks no longer cancel gliders!

  • @adomemphys
    @adomemphys 2 месяца назад

    6:48 did not know you could that that’s wild

  • @MCmicalw
    @MCmicalw 2 месяца назад +3

    2:49 literally demon laughing

  • @yalcinmemis6505
    @yalcinmemis6505 2 месяца назад

    That bullet and crazy 8 was insane

  • @shootingquasardragon7971
    @shootingquasardragon7971 2 месяца назад

    I Was Looking For A Fun Wario Kombo And You Just Give Me What I Wanted. Let's Go Wario!!!

  • @dasacademyschule2929
    @dasacademyschule2929 2 месяца назад +1

    About SHS, the 200cc uses the same combo as the one you recommended in your combo video for anti-gravity!

  • @eonflutehza131
    @eonflutehza131 2 месяца назад

    That transition at the 3:00 minute mark was something out of transformers i love it LOL

  • @KingJupiter
    @KingJupiter 2 месяца назад +2

    Kokoroko was already in one of your other videos, I specifically remember their Mii and name

  • @Pepplrwazhere
    @Pepplrwazhere 2 месяца назад

    7:32 That mii on the minimap just teleported.

  • @michaellovegrove9467
    @michaellovegrove9467 2 месяца назад

    I hope Mario Kart 9 gives you the option to see the hidden stats like anti-gravity, underwater, mini turbo etc. Being able to see those analytics would definitely influence my kart combo choices!!

  • @Dragon-slayer13
    @Dragon-slayer13 2 месяца назад

    Nice vids bro there awesome I’ve stayed up late so many night watching these 😅

  • @squidrl874
    @squidrl874 2 месяца назад +1

    I would love too see playing as every character but using the worst possible combination

  • @kamekofs_
    @kamekofs_ 2 месяца назад +1

    I cannot put into words how mad it makes me that Shortcat stopped the video 6 VR away from 30k

  • @theupsetchild
    @theupsetchild 2 месяца назад

    hello! great video! as always, i enjoyed it a lot.
    have you ever considered maybe displaying a live graphic that shows what buttons you are pressing? I think it would be really insightful for people who watch you to learn better mario karting (like me). ofc, i have no idea how things like that work from a technical perspective, so i understand if its not possible

  • @roverL
    @roverL 2 месяца назад

    Once shortcat runs out of max stat videos we'll be seeing all max stats. btw the combo for that is funky kong flame runner slim tires and standard glider. iykyk

  • @IStealYourZs
    @IStealYourZs 2 месяца назад +1

    If I had been that yellow Yoshi at 14:47 that would have been the last game of the day for me

  • @FarhanArif-t3n
    @FarhanArif-t3n 2 месяца назад

    20:25 what a nasty ankle breaker that was