1,670,072 DPS ROGUE: Assassin vs Whisperknife! Best of 8 Single Target Setups! - Neverwinter Mod 28
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- Опубликовано: 10 июн 2024
- Assassins Toxic Blades and Smoke Bomb combo is getting fixed with module 28, tomorrow! However Whisperknife will be getting some improvements, so here I compare my damage tests with different setups on the Rogue with both Assassin and Whisperknife after these changes! I also compare versus my other class tests, like Ranger, Wizard, Fighter and Barbarian. Just a few classes left! Keep in mind this is single target with full time on target!
TIME STAMPS
00:00 Intro
00:33 Test Rules & Setup
01:18 Best Single Target Power Setup
02:14 Best Test Replay
05:34 Test Results, Data
07:09 Comparison Table
09:09 Assassin Test Replay
13:22 Smoke Bomb + Toxic Blades fixed
14:39 11 Bleed Stacks, Duelist's
15:19 Rotations & Tacticians
16:22 Compare to other Classes
17:06 Outro
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Great work! Do you have an aoe rotation for wk?
Love these videos! Any chance you could tell us when you will publish a video for warlock?
I still need to do testing for warlock, so will be probably a week or two
@@Aragon- We'd love to watch! I recommend your channel to all my NWo friends and those who seek for an advice
Hello Aragon, please tell me how effective it will be to have a Vakna Board?
Or Toad? Or will Bigby still be more useful?
And what is better than stats of 90% or clothes, companions of % damage?
Don't use slab of vecna, Bigby better, toad a tiny bit worse.
Slab of vecna beat every mount combat power in the game right now ...
@@SegiShin-wg7dj no it doesnt , nerfed
I was trying lostmauth with the aoe whisperknife setup you put out and it felt like i was killing things ALOT faster then with the master craft set... viable on st aswell?
MasterCraft set is far better
Hi love your videos this one was helpfull . And am just going to ask this but can you do a video of useing and testing the new divine aegis combat enchantment on a bard healer because i do not thank the bard will beable to use it at all like you sayed it wood in your past divine aegis enchantment video. Can you plz do a test of it on the bard for all us bard healers plz . And thk for posting this video on this class in this video me and my friend found it helpful alot.
And for m28 rogue aoe, is it the same set up from m27 or you will re test and maybe tweak it?
The same, stealth blade flurry, smoke bomb, path of the blades and whirlwind
Hi, may i know what other comp do u use other than Minsc, batiri and Neverwinter Knight for this testing?
stat bonuses, like combat advantage, power, crit, accuracy
@@Aragon- ty for the info
I still see Enchanters Hex here. Is that needed. What can trigger that in the primary ST WK build?
shadow strike from stealth triggers it
which class do you recommend to play for players that have 300 ping ? i love playing assassin but i cant preform well on it cuz of the high ping
probably Wizard. Pretty easy
Thanks, !!!
How much is Assassin's dmg nerfed (% wise) due to toxic blades being nerfed? Thanks!
a lot xD
A big thing that makes the SoD rotation so powerful is the double tacticians procs allowing for 2 full rotations during the arti call. It was my understanding that they would no longer stack. Also not sure if you tested the broken stealth smoke bomb on assassin but im sure the results would be way different, unless they fixed that
Smoke bomb bugs have been fixed on preview for a couple weeks now. And WK with Shady Prep doesn't require 2x tacticians to begin with as long as you run enough recharge speed from something like Shroomwood set.
@arashi302 forgot all these tests are on preview, still works on live currently. And you need at least 1 tacticians to get 2 sods off in a single arti call, without it you can only hit a shadowstrike, maybe a lashing if you're pushing a lot into recharge speed. I've been playing wk since the buff and this is how it's always been, shroomwood makes very little difference to the rotation. Maybe shroomwood, recharge enchant and recharge collar you might be able to but barely and if not running tacticians what else would you run all other options are pretty bad.
@@user-kv1ih9lf5e yes, i meant it requires 1x tacticians xD my bad, wording. i just meant it doesn't need the second stack. and yeah even all that recharge speed couldn't replace a tactician's
also i dont think it was ever mentioned that tacticians was supposed to not stack. they actually changed the original version of tactician's when it released on preview from not stacking to stack, but lowered the bonus.
@arashi302 I don't remember exactly where i heard it, probably a dev q&a stream or hr discord, but I've been under the impression that it wasn't intended to stack. Personally I think it's great and for most classes the extra tacticians doesn't make a huge difference but for hrs it's a huge change because it allows them to use 12 back to back encounters every 15 seconds pretty much with the right build while also having daily for arti calls. I personally don't build 2x tact on my wk because I don't have the mounts for it but if I did the rotation would feel a lot smoother and less sweaty trying g to get that last encounter out. I've really enjoyed the wk these last couple mods but it can be difficult in dungeons with a ton of adds during boss fights.
How is your recharge like that I don’t understand haha like I don’t get my powers back anywhere near that fast (the second rotation)
Tacticians precision mount insignia bonus.
@@Aragon- thank you I figured it out when the missus pointed it out lol
Hello. Maybe u can help me, which %of damage that dummi consider? Its classified only boss or wildspace and boons %of damage work on it?
It is only considered a boss, and not of any enemy type.
Ty want to come back on dps but hard test stuff on xbox
How did entering stealth the second time reduce your cooldowns by 8 seconds?
Tacticians precision mount bonus
@@Aragon- ahh yeah makes sense lol, forgot about that. Thank you 👍
So happy I pulled mythic demon wings has tacticians precision yes!!!
Nice!
Do you use same feats and features for AOE?
No, you must use different things
@@Aragon- Will you bring the mojo28 build for Rogue?😢
wow whisperknife has finally beaten assasin welp time to choose that as the main since i'm making a new rogue char
How come im not getting my abilities back as quick as u once i first rotate and stealth daily my lashing blade and shadow strike isnt up yet
you don't have the "tacticians" mount insignia bonus?
@@Aragon- unfortunately not i dont have a mount that will work for that.
Only played for like 3 months
Hey aragon on st what mount do you normally run?
for Rogue, Bigby's Hand
@Aragon- did you ever test assassin again to see if that 25% dmg from behind made it on par with WK?
Can you recommend me good and cheap mount power for dps bard
toad
@@spaced9832 ty
yeah legendary giant toad mount
So the assassin's smoke bomb/toxic blades that were OPed in the past have been nerfed to not be competitive with Whisperknife!?!
yeah just actually viewed that section LOL and you answered my question LOL
@@alexhuntington672
Of course they've been nerfed with a sledgehammer so as to not be competitive!
You didn't expect them to competently balance them, did you? 🤣
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Barbarian lose in st for all this classes is a shame.
I miss the old days where a video can inform someone which race to play, perk points etc ...
I still make those build videos. This is just to test and find out what powers and how to use them best for the most amount of damage
I was originally searching on how to setup a barbarian. Race, skills, level points ..... could you help me out with that?
yes, simply search on my channel and find: ruclips.net/video/Nmd6z7l-zVE/видео.html
Even TR WK is terrible on single target but most the content is killl tons of mobs than bosses theres no way other melee class like fighter and barb can keep up thats why class racism exist on this game because of master trial look skirmish and master dugeon like trial.
Yes but most content is what ever, the relevant content is mostly single target, your st damage dictates a wipe or a clear.
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This what I was excepting. Not only are rogue 300,000k damage over other classes. Plus 25 percent from behind. So we’re talking a extra 400,000k. In total 700,000. Over every other class. This Explain why tanks have a hard time on argue against them. I could imagine bard.
Yeah a good one
@@NytLegend your replie related to nothing I said. I was basing off of what sir Argon said. Please go back rewatch his video.
Hi Aragon,
I extend my gratitude to you for your contributions thus far. I am writing to kindly request your assistance in creating a video tutorial focused on building strategies. Many players within our community are actively seeking guidance on how to attain 90% offensive statistics at an item level surpassing 90K. Your expertise in this matter would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you once again for your dedication and support.
Wow 1670... other classes are between 1200 and 1450 ... so ? Lets give the rogue a Buff, nice !
Congratulation everyone for achieving class balance. You said you can not compete with cw that was not even the best dps before nerfs. Wait on invites now.
first, whatever that means lol
hahaha, thanks :)
incoming nerf......
wait for it
nerf coming in mod 30 😂😂😂
Lets be real, SOD is broken, class feature, not suppose to do 6 mil dmg alone ;D
But does roots proc hex
@@itsmohdiii3689 i wich, hunter and warden get no benefit from hex
Nice barbarien death again. Barbarien vs rouge aoe 0%chance . And Singletarget vs rouge 0%chance .
ridiculos what they do with barbies. Now we need to make escalating builds ( what is terryble to play ) to do less damage even then cw in st. That DONT MAKE SENSE, we are a class that is developed for single target damage and we are losing for almost everyone. ( our almost inexistent aoe damage dont do it even more sense now. )
To be fair barbarians we're bis for 16 mods lol quit crying
WHERE IS WARLOCK ST ?! xD oh wait i know not here bec warlock sucks in st xD
Thats alot of dmg, lol.
You should speak slower when explaining rotations, I know it had to be done before 10 seconds but dude it took me a min to figure it out
sorry, but it is also written in the table
oh assassins and whisperknife are now not only top dps in AOE but also in ST. We barbarians are completely gone again. Not only in ST but especially in AOE. I don't know why Rogues are buffed again in AOE and ST. They were already strong before. It's just a shame. Apparently rogues are very important to the developers. All you have to do is play Rogue and you're always top 1. It's about time I wrote a post on this topic in the Discord so that the developers become aware of it. This really can't be right. I thought all classes should be balanced but what I see here is ridiculous. This game is becoming more and more useless. Rogues should be nerfed, not buffed.
Assassin ST and AoE are nowhere near the top anymore. WK SoD is clunky and very backloaded, in actual content a good chunk of this damage is wasted. Their cast times also don't allow for any easy movement while casting abilities, so in any content where there are more mechanics that require moving around, it's easy to mess up SoD. Particularly if anything happens during artifact call, which is up to 75% of WK's damage (a portion of which is further backloaded). There's no coming back from a bad artifact call, more so than most of the classes. They're basically a loose version of melee arbiters, except better balanced to compensate for the mechanical loss with higher stationary damage.
WK AoE tho, yeah broken asf who knows why in the world they decided to buff the encounters more.
Taking dummy comparisons as gospel without thinking through the in-content implications that come with playing a class isn't the best way to decide how powerful they are. If anything, a good Bard dps is nearly equal to the level of the currently bugged Smoke Bomb + Toxic Blades Assassin for boss fights (including mixed), and WK SO in AoE. Albeit Bard's way more skill oriented, which is good.
Skill is also a factor. I outperform mediocre rouges all the time but those real guys will smoke me. They rare tho
Other dps waste also dmg in actual content…thats why aragon does tests with his rules, so all are more or less the same. And fact is, the rogue is just to strong. But who cares, all will build rogues and we will still lack tanks and healers but be overwhelmed with bad rogues…
@@markofrklic8208 I never said no one else wastes damage, the problem is how easily and the extent at which damage can be lost on backloaded classes, like WK SoD and Arbiter. When your damage comes out even a couple seconds later, it's easy for a target to phase/die before the damage is dealt. And with how clunky the class is, it's very easy to get interrupted and potentially lose the window entirely. Anyone who has practice playing these classes would know the feeling.
Most of the frontloaded and smoother classes get their damage dealt in-the-moment, and don't have don't have as much issues with mechanics/interruptions because of cast times/clunkiness.
We'll have to see how this goes when the changes come out and we can run content with the new buffs, but it's a high stretch to go thinking that WK SoD is suddenly a dps class that is unfairly way too strong based off a stationary dummy test, of all things.
I just wrote that other classes have the same issues in an actual fight…and the rest is way weaker than rogue. No need for unneeded explanations of how a dungeon fight runs or arti call.
OVER CHEATER really, go nerf cryptic !!!
Thanks for the guide! But I still don’t understand what artifact you are using??? 😊
the buffer artifact, for testing purposes to simulate an artifact call with 5 to 10 players
@@Aragon- Understood. Thanks 😁
While I won't go so far as to say your WK rotation is flat out wrong. There's more than one way to skin a cat so to speak. I'm sure your powers of choice and rotation works well for you given the fact your much further along in your build. I will however go far enough to say that if you're not using VP in ST WK then perhaps you should stick with assassin. Granted I myself choose to not use lashing blade knowing thar it is a good st skill, for the versatility of blitz as my third power. St or not. VP is not only you SOD trigger skil but it's your second biggest range hit. While lashing is potent it requires being close to bosses. It's not a very versatile skill. Proper rotation vp1 ss Marcos hateful knives, mount, VP2 Whatever you choose as your third encounter. Any a
Artifact other than macros is a waste. EDIT ... and yes precede all that with a disheartening strike. Also Vp2 vs enc3 can be swapped if en3 doesnt leave stealth. otherwise does not matter really.
vp is pretty terrible for damage output here. You take too long casting which results in a loss of damage especially in the 10s arti call in endgame content.
I suggest you go and test for yourself, but if you are not doing endgame then min-maxing your damage does not overly matter
@@Aragon- I've run mtic. While I'm only 95il and have some stats to catch up on yet. I'm more than capable of running Endgame and completing with 100k il. While VP does take practice and getting used to it is not overly slow. It is however still the second strongest range skill and a vital St skill if you choose to play truly ranged. If you just want to play a WK assassin then by all means your rotation is fine. I'm sure it works great for you.
Make them better just to nerf the shit out of them later on, thx Aragon!!