10mm vs. .41 magnum for Bears
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I've always heard that 10mm was Equal to .41 Magnum. Today we put that to the test with a couple of long barreled handguns. Is 10mm a .41 Magnum?
You put what you think in the comments!
Note to ATF agents enforcing the illegal and unconstitutional brace rule: my cameraman removed this pistol's pistol brace a long time ago, and we're both members of FPC.
How close in recoil is the 41mag to 44mag ? Is it even noticeable, or are they about the same I have shot a 44mag 4 "and 6" never shot a 41. Always curious about them.
@JimD410 having not shot them back to back in the same type of gun, from my memory there a slight less recoil with full powered loads like from buffalo bore
@@JimD410 Recoil with the 41 is a bit less. Just enough to feel the difference in my experience when shooting guns of comparable weight.
Which pistol brace is that? It looks sweet
@anonymousf454 sb4
I always get a chuckle when people want to compare the 10 mm to the .41 mag. That Buffalo Bore ammo is always impressive stuff.
That maybe the case for 10mm and 41 mag but I hate Buffalo bore for 45LC.
Why?
@@AlaskanBallistics both in my 45lc revolver and rifle was super high and very far to the right. Which was weird because no other round did that. I had 2 of the same boxes shot them and could not believe how bad they where.
Brand new from arctic ammo to.
@@Akhazmat907 hmmm well were they grouping that far too the right? If they were grouping that far over well then that's just how they fly compared to whatever you're normally sighted in with. I always expect in a rifle to get two different points of impact from two different Ammunition.
Now handgun, yeah i like it to group reasonably well and close to point of aim with iron sights
@@AlaskanBallistics true, both the rifle and revolver is iron sights. I just didn't like how no other manufacturer brand for 45lc did that and these ones did.
That muzzle energy -- WOW stout for both. I appreciate the trash wagon very responsible of you greatly appreciated.
Thank you. Godspeed brother
I'd pack .41 magnum for bears over 10mm any day if living in bear country.
But I live in the city and pack .357 Sig...........
Two-legged city predators are far more dangerous than four-legged woods creatures. Especially right now.
Ten mm is good for both. 357sig is an ear splitter. But I shoot both.
I love my 41 mags my grandfather gave me a model 57 I'm 1984 I still have it plus just about every different Maker variant of the 41 I'm currently waiting for my Henry lever action engraved brass receiver octagon barrel 41 mag and my custom made Ruger 41 mag revolver
Thanks for the data and the vid Chuck finally info on a 10mm vs .41mag
Finally indeed had the ammo laying around for 6 months
Carried A S&W .41 mag. As a issued duty gun. Best shooter I ever had.
Great revolver
That’s definitely no surprise at all.
Absolutely not surprised. Godspeed brother
Some of us already know. But no matter what we know, these videos are entertaining and informative. Keep up the good work chuck!
Thank you
.41 magnum is a round I have seen available during the ammo shortage.
I have seen it but not that much
Yep same. Seen some at small local shop about only ammo he had on the shelf that day.but others I seen mix of stuff
I just recently found 500 rounds of 41 mag ammo in a pawn shop. Just for $25 a box. Four of them boxes are vintage peters 41 mag ammo.
Nice
It’s eight months later but if you’re still seeing the 41 mag on shelf’s then I’m totally surprised and on the same token if they’re still on the shelf then you’re paying a black marketer’s price like $65.00 or way more.
This is incredibile loads my friend, is very powurful round! 👍💪🙂
Yes sir
Throw a layer of beef ribs in front of the gel blocks, lol! Paul Harrel's meat targets are always popular with the audiences.
I typically do but ribs are not a bear skull
"Cowpokes'll come from a near and far
When you throw a few rib-eyes on the fire"
--Reverend Horton Heat - "Eat Steak"
Thanks for this video Chuck, great test ! I love the 41mag ! Keep up the awesome videos.
No matter what comparison you do there's someone will shout not a fare test, NOT ALL FIREARMS ARE EQUAL ! 😆 👉 👍🏻
I agree with you both. I always laugh when the crying starts its not fair you didn't use the same bullet weight. That's the whole point the 41 can take heavier bullets than the 10mm if you want to shoot heavies buy a 41 if you want 16 round buy a 10mm they were never meant to be the same. Thanks for another cool video
Interesting review, thanks
Thank you
@@AlaskanBallistics welcome
Got a blackhawk in 41 mag but hard to get ammo and 75.00 a box
Dang straight. Can't even find the dies right now
I came really close to buying a 41 mag carbine length lever.
Nice. I would. Tacticool that thing out
Yeah that 10mm is equal to a .41 magnum has always made me angry. I think the main thing is because I would hear it from people who didn’t own either caliber. I would ask them how they know, and it was always the same, "I heard it from a friend" …who heard it from a friend, who heard it from a friend garbage. The problem I alway faced with my .41magnum was never finding the ammo in stock back in the 90’s when I had one. I had a nickel 3" 57 Smith & Wesson and I enjoyed it, but the ammo scarcity forced me to trade it, but I got a good gun out of the trade and life moves on. Thanks for all you do. It’s very entertaining.
I own both, a RIA Ultra in 10mm and a Ruger Blackhawk in .41 Mag.....there really is no comparison, the 10mm is a nice handy gun that would be the least I would carry against bear, but it doesn't get close to what a 41 Mag in a Blackhawk will do.
@bobgasm1471 agreed but that single action is slow
Love the video. IMHO I think that either of those rounds are plenty powerful enough to drop any 2 or 4 legged threat in N. America.
Thank you. And I agree
A known fact in the 1st Dirty Harry Eastwood used a 41mag because a Model 29 wasnt available
Did not know that
That T/C .41 looks like a perfect tree stand gun in the deer woods.
It is... he's using it as a back pack gun for black bear
@@AlaskanBallistics Well thought out bear gun!
For hunting yes. Not for defense
10mm is a great load for an auto loading pistol. I know I see a lot of people referring to it for a bear round, but I still feel, if I have grizzlies hanging around, I want something a little more potent. Great test and good job on the video, I think you covered it well and definitely put the myth to rest, lol.
Thank you Todd. Believe it or not 10mm is most popular for bear defense now
Todd,
Good work. Thank you.
I would be very interested in a comparison of the 460 Rowland with the 44 magnum.
I'll have to look into that
Todd k and everyone else almost every time there’s a video on firearms there’s also mention of what firearm is best for carrying in bear country. My concern is: Has the bear population exploded that much that they now have their own country and with such an increase in their population are we in danger of extermination every time we step outdoors especially if we go anywhere near the woods.
Yes
The 41 mag has a wider metlap, causeing it to not penetrate as deep. But it will break everything in its way.
I used my .41 Mag Ruger Redhawk in metallic silhouette shooting. My handloads proved more impressive on how they knocked down (or UP) the targets , than many other shooters .44 mags.
Nice!
The 41magnum had two different loadings when it was introduced (probably why it was so misunderstood) police load was roughly 1000 fps and hunting loads were up to 1600 fps. So is 10mm as powerful as 41 mag? Perhaps the police load but most certainly not the hunting load.
Fake news
Are you saying 10mm equal to 41 magnum is fake news or that there were 2 different loads were fake news?
Those ballistics are smoking, the .41 mag has 45 more grains of slug AND 300 FPS higher velocity!
Yep
And 11 fewer rounds. And a hammer to pull after every shot.
@@Scientist_Salarian The S&W 657 .41 mag I previously owned was double action. No need to cock the hammer.
But in all sincerity, a 12 gauge Mossberg Shockwave loaded with Brenneke slugs would be the ideal packer in bear country..............
If you waterproof those slugs. They don't fire after getting soaked... i know from having tried it
@Brian Klamer
@@AlaskanBallistics I still have boxes of the infamous Remington Buck Hammer in 12 gauge that were purchased years ago on clearance after deer season. These loads were violent on whitetail and I have confirmed one shot kills on bucks at 147 yards. In my opinion, the finest 12 gauge slug ever made, of course Remington ammunition discontinued a good thing.......
10mm is one of my favorite handgun cartridges to reload, but man it gets frustrating by how many people believe it's the same, or even close to a .41 Mag. The hottest loads I can produce in my Ruger GP100 4.2" 10mm is 200gr @1340fps, AND THAT'S MAX. That doesn't even come close to loads in .41 Magnum.
Cylinder gap affect it much?
What about same load out of 6" semi?
@@AlaskanBallistics On my heavy loads I only shoot them through my Ruger because of the full case support. I have compared factory-loaded, 10 shot averages between my Ruger 4.2" & Glock 29 3.8", which resulted in Min-Man ammo 180gr JHP in Ruger 1285fps/660flb vs Glock29 1185fps/561flb. Underwood 135gr, Ruger 1622fps/789flb vs Glock29 1490fps/667flb. I do not have a 6" barrel and couldn't give any stats about it.
@@cekamsr cool and thank you for the info
@@AlaskanBallistics No problem, and keep up the great videos! I always enjoy your content.
I have a ruger blackhawk and henry lever action in 41 magnum I think it"s excellent smith&wesson still make a model 57 in 41 mag. ruger makes redhawk in 41 mag.also
Yeah if I could just find a deal on one
I've always wanted somebody to do this video
Well thank you. Please share RUclips isn't. Godspeed to you and yours
Been waiting for this comparison for years. Real world, will pass on to son in northeastern Washington. Thanks.
Thank you sir. Godspeed
@@AlaskanBallistics Smith and Wesson still makes 41s. You guys have fun up there, don't Californiafornacate Alaska.
We're trying to keep the libs out
@@AlaskanBallistics Make them buy a firearm before they can enter, that should do to.
Pulled a "Chuke"! Shots fired! (No pun intended)
Lol
Put that .41 magnum in a 16" carbine lever gun holding 15 rounds and its a whole new ball game. I have the carbine and the wheel gun, great combo.
Henry? I'd like to get one someday. Don't think they make it in the X model.
@@AlaskanBallistics I have the marlin. I got it back in the 80s
@3gunshooter60 nice
Now don’t get me wrong. I love both the 41 mag and the 10mm. But, the 10mm is in the same performance category as the 357 mag. And the 41 mag is hard on the heels of the .44 mag. And there are too many people out there that try to prove that the 10mm and the 41 mag are equal, somehow.
Somehow
I think you might be regarding basic 357 magnum. Take a look at some 358429 Lyman bullets, Elmer Keith loads, loaded up to max pressures and that will let you know the 10mm is still on the heels of the 357 magnum.
@cch85 cch85 yet in my test 10mm still penetrates more in all 3 videos
@@AlaskanBallistics
The penetration is due to a narrower bullet vs wider bullet. 10mm will penetrate deeper in equal weight bullets than .41 mag because of sectional density. Much like .357 will go deeper than 10mm. More frontal area slows down penetration. Just a matter of physics.
@Jobo 10mm has beaten .357 magnum in penetration in 3 out of my 4 videos comparing it.
10 mm was crazy powerful but CRAP that .41 magnum has no chill!
Correct. Thanks my friend for watching and the comment.
Looks like you already did it! Great video
Thanks man
People always want to compare the 10mm standard load to magnum revolver hunting rounds, because those cartridges have history they can relate to. "Soft" 41 mags, like defensive loads are the fairest comparison. Something like the Speer 210 grain gold dot at a rated 1280fps is a very comparable load to a typical 10mm hollow point. Much closer than the usual 357 comparison. With higher SD bullets loaded hot in revolvers, those big 'inefficient' cases start to show their potential. 10mm just can't generate the energy of a hot 41mag. It really says something for the little 357 that loaded properly it can push 180-200 grain bullets up over 900 ft-lbs of energy and compete with 10mm. 44 mag of course completely outclasses 10mm in raw power and recoil.
Yep. Totally agree.
10mm is Comparable in terms of power more closely related to the 357 Mag, and I dont mean the weak SAAMI loadings. Both cartridges when loaded to their potential are very similar, just that the 10mm has a slightly larger bore and heavier projectile mass and the 357 with a 158gr slug makes up the difference with a bit more velocity.
The 41 Magnum is closer to the 44 Mag, and if both are properly loaded it is splitting hairs. Hard Cast 240gr bullets can be loaded to similar velocity. The 44 Mag has the advantage of heavier bullet availability, but the 41 Magnum tends to shoot flatter and its bullets penetrate very well if you use the proper design.
That's the whole point
@@AlaskanBallistics Yep..
I can't believe so many people think the 41 magnum and 10 mm are comparable
@@AlaskanBallistics Most of it seems to come from people who obsess over paper ballistics. First reason is marketing. Companies love to market the latest and greatest, anything that will boost their sales. Paper ballistics and the idea of energy numbers figures into this. Next reason stems from the people who tie into paper ballistics, he reasoning they use normally falls into "this is a 40 caliber, and this other thing is a 40 caliber.. Must be compared as the same!"
Its a genuine lack of understanding of how and why a cartridge works, what its purpose is, and often general history.
For example, back in the 40's, 50's, and early 60's the cartridge and load that was considered by most law enforcement professionals who knew their firearms was the 44 Special loaded to just under a thousand feet per second with a bullet over 200 grains. Another 30 years later and Jeff Cooper who was a Semi Auto fan started thinking up the 10mm, which someone said "Hey if we shorten that down and put a 180 or 200 grain bullet it in between 875 and 1000 feet per second, I bet it would be ideal for law enforcement!" The 40 Smith and 44 Special are comparable in terms of performance.
Paper ballistics and what I call "Real World Performance" are often two different and completely separate things.
@@AlaskanBallisticsHey man, Thought I would, let you know I just saw you have a video comparing the 10mm and 357. Good job on that. I was new to your channel yesterday, and made these comments before I knew about your own 10mm 357 comparison.
In both calibers the first or second shot must be decisive to defend against a large bear. Spray and pray I don't think it applies in this case. Who chooses the 10 mm in a semiautomatic because he has 15 rounds in the magazine, in my opinion should take into account that he will not have time to explode all those shots
Not what the actual incidents have said as many people have gotten off all 15 hits. Do a little reading on some articles and you might notice this. And the people who didn't get off that many often didn't get off one shot
You are so right. The whole I have 15 rounds get people into more trouble than the correctly place first shot.
@k9m42 the air placement has to be correct even if you're using a 45-70
Thanks! I appreciate your time!
Thank you for watching. Godspeed and good hunting to you!
Thank you for making this one and for your comments. I have long told people the same thing- the 10 is nice, but it is NOT equal to a 41 mag.
Exactly
Quantity has a quality all its own. I have 44's, a 454, 2 357's and 2 41's. I still prefer 15 rounds of 10mm to 5 or 6 of the others mentioned.
With that said, my dangerous game backup gun is a Mossberg 590a1 AOW, shooting slugs/buckshot. 41, 44, etc cannot compare to a 2oz slug at the same velocities, so it all comes down to preference in the end.
@@scbane By that same token/logic, a 12 gauge slug (as good as certain makes/styles like Brenneke are) doesn't compare to a large caliber rifle in sheer stopping force. Here, he was comparing handgun rounds for defense.
Yea I just argued with this dude on here. He said in his video 10mm was equal to 41 mag and I tried to explain to him and he called .e an idiot 😂😂😂
Which video?
I always roll my eyes when people say 10 is like 41mag,about 400 ft lbs shy of a real hot 41.
Still a mag round in a pistol, only barly edging out the 357 mag in power
Go check out my .357 vs 10mm epusode 2
@@AlaskanBallistics will do, so far digging your content.
@@AlaskanBallistics hmm,can't find that title?
Henry has 4 lever gun choices in .41 mag and .327 federal .Brass or steel frame ,16 or 20 barrels for either.
Nice!
It's close if you're talking about loads under 200 grain, but 41 Magnum flings those 200+ grainers much harder than 10mm Auto.
That being said, I still prefer 10mm because 15 rounds standard 😂
For a closer comparison there was a cartridge In the Semi auto Automag called the 10mm magnum. From a S&W 610 revolver with a a barrel just over 8" barrel as well as the ruger GP conversion with modern loads it will achieve around 1700fps with a 220gr hard cast.
Yep that's a closer comparison can't find the guns it ammo. Though
@@AlaskanBallistics you can have a S&W 610 reamed but the cheapest option would be a a 10mm Magnum Contender barrel
I own both, glock 40 and ruger 41 mag single action. Takes longer to get back on target with the 41 plus I carry only 5 rounds. Glock 40 10mm 15 rounds of fast fire. Nice program
Yeah I'd obviously carry the g40 too
I've always heard people saying that 10mm falls between .357 mag and .41 mag. In any event if I'm way up Northwest in the woods, I'm taking my Glock 20 in a chest rig with 20 round magazines. ...or better yet, a G40 if I ever get one.
G40 with a kkm barrel and 22lb spring
Beautiful scenery out there. I am partial to the .41 magnum because I own a Smith 57. That being said...a 10mm, especially these hot rounds, would stop anybody. Those Buf Bore rounds are giving you more muzzle energy than the original 44 magnum rounds of decades ago. I'd feel pretty safe when packing a 10mm.
I beg to differ about your statement concerning "original 44 magnum rounds of decades ago.)" Your statement is false. I've shot 44 magnums since 1984...The energy of mild loads has hovered around ( I stress mild loads) 1050 and 1080 Flbs of energy. That is 20% more than the most potent 10 mm load. The hot 44 magnums then yielded around 1250 Flbs of energy and up to 1300 lbs depending in the revolvers one used in STANDARD barrel length, none exceeding six inches. In longer barrels the energy can approach 2000 Fpe... I don't know where you obtained your data but it is faulty Sir. I own both...10 mm and 44 magnum. Where the 10 mm shines is in the ability of fast repeat shots. It is powerful but nowhere near the 44 magnum. There are some who want to think of their .308 in terms of a super 300 mag...faulty and erroneous thinking but that's ok, it isn't illegal to dream.
@@paulhomsy2751 I was referring to the original .44 magnum rounds from 1955, compared to the heavy Buffalo Bore 10mm rounds of today.
@@linguisticman Some of the original 44 mag loads were far more powerful than any 10mm load today. Some of those old factory loads pushed a 240gr bullet at 1,460fps, and even the old 44 Special +P load by Elmer Keith pushed a 245gr LSWC at 1,200fps. Even after all these decades, I still load that style of bullet at that speed as a "reduced load" for my 44 mag revolvers. In my Contenders and rifles, it goes much faster.
@Delles Looking at the statistics closer, it seems you are correct. The heavy 10mm rounds can approach the weaker 44 mag rounds in energy; other than that I was mistaken.
@@paulhomsy2751 Yes, I was not totally correct in my info. See my response to Dell below.
No dis to 41..... 44s are more common & GREAT for all the same reasons! The best thing about 44 is 44 Special ! I would carry both together in bear country >> 44 Redhawk 7.5" in my hand & the 10mm as back up .
Totally agreed
That 9” barrel 😂
Never seen that on a glock before! Absolutely unique!
Yeah it's a novelty for sure. Good for deer hunting probably
Awesome video baby
Thank you gorgeous
When up in Alaska I carried my Smith 58 with a 270 gr hard cast. Also have a Blackhawk 6.5", Contender 14" and Marlin 1894S 20" in ..41 mag Just passed on a GP100 in 10mm
I'd love to shoot that 1894
Love the 10 but the 41 is a Beast!
Truth
@@AlaskanBallistics I remember one of my mentors calling the 10 a .357 mag on steroids and or Junior .41 mag. I miss my Ruger Blackhawk in .41, I use to make some wicked loads.
My last 10mm vs .357 showed how much .357 can get more than 10mm. I've been looking for a blackhawk to test 41 magnum loads
@@AlaskanBallistics nice. I'll have to check that out. I hope you have good luck finding one. Great video.
Thanks Brother. Godspeed
That .41 is way fast it would be interesting to see a brass, copper, or other homogeneous soild and see what penetration you would get at that velocity at 1300 it would be a different beast. Also swift recently came out with a couple of A frame hollow points in 10mm. I generally don't think that hollow points are a good idea for bear defense but I could see that cross between a bonded hollow point and a partition style bullet being interesting to look at. I could see the 200 grain version being more effective on chest cavity hits in theory and if it will penetrate the heavy bones as well in the skull or shoulder it could be a good option. Federal is loading it in a new factory load.
Hollowpoints tend to underpenetrate bears... those would be interesting for deer hunting
@@AlaskanBallistics I assume so as well, however if there is one out there that would I would bet on that swift. It's probably a long time before you can get some in factory ammo swift had bullets in stock on their website a couple weeks ago however. In other words if you get your hands on some I would love to see the test. Federal also has some supposed hard cast bullets coated in their syntech stuff that they are advertising as hard core I think also an interesting factory option if they ever load them again. Another thought is both those options are ok in stock polygonal rifled barrels.
ruclips.net/video/ZlhtGxnTvAs/видео.html
If you find the 10mm a frames let me know i can handload them up
@@AlaskanBallistics www.swiftbullets.com/pages/bullets. You have to scroll down through they are new enough they are at the bottom of the A frame pistol bullets in typical swift fashion they are over $1 each per 50. But I just checked and it let me add some 200 grain ones to my cart many others are out of stock.
If you only had one shot, .41 mag would be the winner, but my Glock holds 16 rounds, vs either 5 or 6 rounds with the .41. Plus, a striker trigger is a hell of a lot easier to shoot quickly than a 12lb double-action hammer-fired one. Accuracy is the first thing to go under stress, so I want as many opportunities to put rounds on target- as fast as possible- if a bear charges me. But that’s ME, personally.
I agree with that. And that's why we carry 10mm. That and you can't find good .41 magnum revolvers
I have a 41 Magnum Redhawk I inherited from my Dad. It had some issues. I ended up sending it back to Ruger for repair and it still has trigger issues. I would hunt with it but for fast shooting with my life on the line? That's a no for me.
The trigger issues being it can bind up under fast shooting, which is kind of the point of the 10mm as a bear defense/woods carry gun. Which is why a 10mm is now my woods carry gun
@@Fardarrigger that's why we carry 10mm as well
I'll still take six rounds of 41 mag over 15 rounds of 10mm in the woods!
I don’t get why so many people make the claim that it's on par with the 41 magnum. It's a super powerful cartridge, you don't need to oversell it. An equivalent to 357 magnum in an autoloader handgun with 15+1 is phenomenal in of itself. Great testing as always Chuck :)
Old police load .41 magnum. 10mm beat that. That's about it. But that's where it comes from.
That's not saying much, considering most old police loads really weren't up to snuff. The Miami Dade shooting went down as bad as it did, and thus 10mm was developed. It wasn't because 9mm is an incapable defensive round, it's because the duty ammo of the day was inconsistent and weak. I am glad that 10mm was created, but it wasn't really a permanent solution to what their original problem was, bad ammo.
Agreed but good ammo 10mm is better than good ammo 9mm
RUclips deleted your last comment
@@AlaskanBallistics Then I'll edit it to be more appropriate for our RUclips overlords. I likely referenced too directly the use of lawful self defense.
That my good sir, I will never dispute. I know a local police officer who was a part of an department test on ballistic dummies, where JHP 9mm failed several times when it ran into a simple winter Carharrt jacket, but then the 40s&w still did the job. If 40s&w can manage, 10mm will smoke right through. This is very relevant to you Alaskans, because if you end up in a situation which requires you to use the force of a firearm, more likely than not your assailant is going to be dressed warm. With 10mm, you know that sucker is going to hurt more than a kick in the pants with a frozen boot and then some. If it's good enough for bears, it's good enough for everything else.
I have both love both. 10mm ammo easier to find
Definitely true. Godspeed and good hunting
Hitting the table and splitting the 2 by 4 kept the 41 magnum bullet from penetrating as deep. 41 magnum 265 grain hardcast bullet compared to the 44 magnum 265 grain Dangerous Game solid copper bullet loadings both from Buffalo Bore factory loads would be a good test for penetration.
Exactly
I bought a Desert Eagle in 41mag back in 1989. I wouldn’t shoot lead bullets in it but that thing is sure sweet. Being so big and heavy and having a gas operated action it really takes the recoil. Great gun.and no, the 10 isn’t going to stand in there with the 41.
That'd be fun too shot
Thank you for featuring my all time favorite caliber....The Rem. 41. Magnum.... Lets see the paper plates test or ballistics gel...Hell, why not do them both using the same ammo....
I don't want to copy @WHO_TEE_WHO with a paper plates test. Ballistics gel isn't a bear skull and is really expensive to ship the clear stuff here.
I'll try to do more gel testing in the summer
@@AlaskanBallistics ....Appreciate your response.
Yes sir. Not sure i could buy enough Ballistics gel to stop a .41 mag hardcast
1,500 ft-lbs vs 850 ft-lbs ME. Enough said.
Pretty much
Maybe some people get the 10mm magnum mixed up with the 10mm auto when comparing to the .41 magnum.
The 10mm is more effective for a bear head shot, proven by the shooter who couldn't shoot the .41 magnum accurately because of the recoil.
Recoil is about the same so that is nonsense.
When you have 15+1 rounds of 10mm on hand compared to 6 rounds of .41 mag in a revolver I always get a chuckle when people say they'd pick .41 mag over 10mm.
Agreed... if you're going revoler at least make it 44 or 454.
There’s a reason .41 is designated MAGNUM and 10mm is regular center fire. However most underwood or Buffalo Bore 10mm will stop ANYTHING on demand.
With a good shot absolutely
I think a poster on LWR said on the 230 gr test , same type bullet , 10mm through >>> 13 jugs ,, didn't buy it / don't buy it now .
If bare jugs then yes i buy it! That plate and wood really slows down a bullet. Hardcast and 13 jugs yeah no problem...vIve got an old terrible video of my 255gr 45 super going throuh twelve with no sweat
41 is considerably more potent than 10mm. 357 magnum is more comparable to 10mm.
Yep don't know where the rumor started
Ahhhhh the caliber wars... How I have missed thee.
I have to parrot others here, both are good calibers. But a 41 magnum, 10mil is not.
But I am likely to only run into Yogi and Booboo's smaller cousins where me and the 10mm roam.
Thanks for the good info Chuck. Also I am really digging that brace configuration on the TC. Looking to be real handy and damn sexy.
Neighbor runs a thumb hole gripped 30-30 TC for deer hunting, it too is rather unique.
It's a sweet handy set up
I don’t care what the naysayers say about the 41 magnum. The 41 magnum will always be a far better bear stopper then a 10 mm.
Agreed... I'd rather have the more rounds of the 10mm
I’m a bit more realistic than 10mm = 41 lol. Obviously on a round by round basis they are not. However, I will take 16 (or more with after market mags) rounds of 10mm out of my G40 that 6 rounds of even 44 mag out of a revolver.
Before anyone says all you need is 1 well placed shot between the eyes with either caliber… I would rather have more and not need them than need them and not have them.
That’s my PERSONAL PREFERENCE.
Agreed
@@AlaskanBallistics the movie the Revenant has me permanently terrified! I’d rather have insurance than be over confident… that feeling when you blast a charging adrenaline filled animal with your dinosaur caliber and it keeps charging… I would rather have extra rounds to back that up 😂
I think the misconception cones from the fact that the 10mm and 41 Mag Silvertip loads have virtually identical ballistics- but both are a little below maximum. And of course the 41 can easily use heavier bullets than the 10mm. Both are great rounds within their envelope. I heard somewhere that the 41 is favored by black bear hunters in various places, shooting bears treed by hounds, at close range. I don't doubt it. I love my 41, now i need a DA. Haven't gotten a 10mm yet, but it is on the list. And of course a Henry Big Boy 41 to go with my Ruger.......
Better get that 10mm first before sleepy joe bans them.
Troy if you got,your Henry Big Boy then I say HURRAY for you and enjoy it fully. But if you haven’t then I must say forget about everything else and go get it. I’ve had mine for a couple of years and I thoroughly enjoy it. And when I pull it out of its case at the range and the looks start coming then I enjoy it that much more. Hurry up and go to your dealer .
@@cajun5957 i will when i can afford one. Thanks for the info. Glad u are enjoying yours
@cajun5957 Agreed! I also have a henry in 41 mag. Its a great gun. Fun to shoot and is a great, short ranged hunting round.
Been shooting and collecting for over forty years, have a couple of 10s an 41s laying around, I’ll take the 41 over the 10 , shot bear with both, but prefer the 41 mag. The old 500 smith is a little over kill on black bear, but great when needed against a inland grizzly or costal brown. Well time to go throw some lead, targets all set up.
Have Fun!
41rem is a good deer round harvested alot of whitetail with it
Awesome. Godspeed and good hunting my friend
The eternal search for better calibers, only to realize that it was a mistake, like so many in murika ^^
I really don't think there is any comparison between 10mm to .41 magnum
Agreed but you hear it all the time...
The 41 mag our of a Redhawk or Model 57 would likely retain more weight.
Possibly so.
10mm Auto always gets held up against .41 Magnum, but it's unfair: yes, 10mm vs. the .41RM duty load is a fair comparo, but that's about the top for 10mm, whereas the .41RM duty load was the "downloaded" version, about at the same par w/ full house .41RM as .40S&W is to 10mm Auto. Anyway, .41RM is a niche round now; by comparison, 10mm Auto is a mass market success story! 😂 I guess I'll go watch the vid now; perhaps you covered some of this in there? Like your product; keep it coming! 👍
I did, thank you for watching
I have both a 4" S&W model 58 and a Gen4 10mm G20 (4.6" barrel). The M58 is a GREAT shootin' .41Mag, but it's also a low capacity boat-anchor. Even if carried in a modern kydex chest rig, it's still heavier than my 15+1 G20 (fully loaded) in a similar chest holster. And that's before you get to the comparative ballistics from real-world carry guns: a 4" .41 mag wheelgun v. a 4.6" 10mm semi-auto. The 4" barrel of the M58 yields a significant drop-off in velocity from the typical 6" or 8" tubes you see on S&W M57s used for handgun hunting, but even if the .41 still has a velocity edge over the 10mm out of a Glock factory 4.6" barrel, the higher on-tap ammo capacity and lighter-weight of the G20 make it the Go-To weapon when heading out the door into the bear-infested boonies. Just be sure to load it hot with 15+1 rds of 'REAL' 10mm ammo from Underwood, Buffalo Bore, or Double Tap. That's what 10mm Tough Guys everywhere use!
Accurate information. 10mm is most comparable to .357 magnum, not .41 magnum and especially not .44 magnum, which some suggest.
I've got comparisons with all three.
Truly not comparable
Nope
My brother has a lever action in 41 magnum. Wish I could get it to you for a part 2 if this video.
Yeah that'd be nice but then I would need one of those 10mm lever actions that are custom made too
300 FPS is notable as is the bullet weight. What was illustrated here is how different those two loads are. This was reasonable for a backyard ballistic test.. I sure see that contender set up as one handy tool. Up there I would love to have one of those with a .45/.454/.410 chamber to carry on the sled. Snowshoes And Ptarmigan in the skillet all winter! And I guess that Glock would work just fine in a bandoleer shoulder or chest rig. A mag full of the load tested here would be pretty good stuff to have handy in any bear country. Down here or up there.
Thank you for watching and the comment. Glad you got the idea was to show these rounds are not alike and people need to quit saying so
@@AlaskanBallistics I will say that the reason 10mm auto and .41 Mag. Get compared constantly is because of proximity of caliber and performance similarity of SOME loads in stock common guns of common barrel length, using run of the mill common loads. .41 mag. will always be the cartridge with the greatest potential. 10mm can't be loaded to the same pressure level because of platform, and because of larger case capacity and bore diameter, .41 gets a pressure/velocity/ bullet weight advantage from the get go. It's no different in rifle cartridges of identical caliber but with huge differences in case capacity. The biggest bucket can always win. To claim some similarities is one thing, but to claim a 16 ounce hammer is identical to a 3/4 pound hammer requires you to ignore about 4 ounces of obvious fact.
Totally agree my friend
Be curious to try other loads... Cutting Edge has a 190g 10mm solid bullet they claim 50in of gel penetration... great video btw. Maybe the comparison will stop...
I've got quite a few 10mm videos. It's that the same all copper bullet buffalo bore users?
@@AlaskanBallistics No, BB uses Lehigh Defense for the Dangerous Game solid. Similar, but the Cutting Edge has a flatter front with more surface area. They say to load them @1050fps - their speed with the 50" penetration claim. They load and shoot fine from my G40. Still not my .44mag tho
Ahhh okay. Let me know when the projectiles are in stock. 1050 is pretty slow. I'll take 36" in gel and 1250fps lol. Grizzly skull won't know the difference
@@AlaskanBallistics ha, no reason you can't push them faster, thats just their 'recommendation'. I have a couple boxes if you want a few to test them for grins-n-giggles (I'm in Anchorage too)
Sure. It'll be a few weeks
You made me chuckle at the beginning. The 10mm is a powerful auto loader round but the 41mag is a bad ass round, just not a popular one .
I hope it comes back into vogue
Alaskan Ballistics it’s been hanging on for a long time and is still going.
Deleting someone's post that's loaded with facts isn't going to change a thing today's 9mm will get the job done end of story this is why you don't listen to you so called internet experts you're a complete joke
@@BlueberryStinkFinger62 - The FBI is even more of a joke. They just targeted and interrogated that Alaskan house remodeling couple as would-be January 6th DC insurrections but ended up with egg all over their faces. Remember? We do.
In the FBI's "Executive Summary of Justification for Law Enforcement Partners", the feds were all over the place. In the space of 6 pages, they went from claiming the need to find the absolute best-performing round to settling for one that was merely sufficient. And then, as if that weren't bad enough, they then went on to claim that 9mm performed just as well as the other larger calibers, and then they went even further by claiming it was actually superior. Their rhetoric went everywhere and nowhere all at once.
Methinks they were trying to convince themselves as much as they were trying to convince us. The flagrantly unfocused, scattershot writing of the document reveals ever-changing goalposts during their evaluation, to the extent that whatever conclusions they reached must be considered suspect.
Even though the 41 doesn't share the popularity of the 357 or 44 magnums. There will always be a cult following of this caliber. Similar to the 357 Max and 44 Spcl.
I held on to two boxes of factory 41 mag ammo, just waiting to find another 41 pistol. Still haven't found one local to me for sale. Have had the ammo since 2002
41mag is awesome hunting caliber . So is the 10mm in right hands. But how lays down 41 mag push a heavy bullet faster do to the case length and powder used. Gun shop here has 41 mag used taurus for sale heavy revolver with long barrel.
What's a turas?
@@AlaskanBallistics lol ment "taurus"
Stay away they are junk
I just traded a Sig P365 for a Taurus 425 .41 Magnum with a ported 4" barrel.
I hope the taurus works. They're normally junk revolvers.
@@AlaskanBallistics I have a Super Redhawk 44 mag with a 21" barrel, a Redhawk .357 4", SP101 .357 and another Taurus in .380 Ultra-Lite. Thru the years, I have owned several Taurus and yet to have a problem. I really just wanted to see that the 41 mag was like and seized the opportunity.
@rdance3 good luck
10mm without a doubt for many different reasons
Love my 41 mag.. i reload for 2 pistols and a Henry lever gun.
I want a Henry x lever in
44 mag badly, .357 magnum, .41 magnum for my camera guy
The Henry big boy is awesome. I would love to have a whole selection. 357,41 and 44. Pistol calibers are so easy to reload.
I use 220 grain cast bullets in my .41 mag. Same bullet weight is an option.
NOt in factory loads... What's your handload?
I have some Speer 220 gr. Flat nose, semi-jacketed wad cutter but they're old. Maybe out of production. Used up to 20 gr. of H 110.
With cast 219 grain I used 9gr of Unique from a Lee mold.
Cool
Wish I would have kept my .41 magnum barrel for my contender.
It's fun
I love 10mm, but it doesn't come near .41 mag for bear protection, let alone near .44 mag some people like to imply. The only department where 10mm would win, is the auto platform and high capacity. But even there, i'd prefer to have 6 shots of buffalo bore .41 mag, to 15 shots of some hunting 10mm ammo.
16 shots of buffalo bore 220gr hardcast would do fine
Pretty much comparing 30 ought 6 to 3030 LOL nice video
The whole point was to dispell the myth
Quantity has a quality all its own. I have 44's, a 454, 2 357's and 2 41's. I still prefer 15 rounds of 10mm to 5 or 6 of the others mentioned.
With that said, my dangerous game backup gun is a Mossberg 590a1 AOW, shooting slugs/buckshot. 41, 44, etc cannot compare to a 2oz slug at the same velocities, so it all comes down to preference in the end.
Just waterproof those slugs. Most shotgun slugs aren't waterproof...
I’ll stick with revolvers for the odd black bear or. feral hog here in the eastern US. I figure I should take up knitting and macha if I can’t get the job done in six rounds.
Yeah but it's nice to have those rounds
Neil the Bastard was spot on about the 9mm the 9mm has the Ammo power to drop a Grizzly bear what I see here is someone plugging the 41 Magnum I would definitely go into bear country with a 9mm 147 gr +p hard cast Ammo and feel safe
If you can make the shot go for it.
@@AlaskanBallistics I'll make that shot count on it
Good enough
There's a few bears that ate people here and when they finally killed the bear, they found 9mm 40 and 45 caliber bullets in it.
I have no b issues with a 9mm as a back up bor tertiary option but it won't be my prime option
@@AlaskanBallistics bet they didn't find a 147 gr +p Hard cast in that round will scramble a Grizzly brains
I'm surprise that has that much more powerful than 10 Mm
I wasn't
Cool video👍💪👍🇺🇸🇺🇲🇺🇸💡🎆
Thanks Tom
*10mm fanboys*
"10mm is just as powerful as the 44 mag"
*proceeds to be outperformed by the middle child*
Lol you don't choose it for the power but for the easier ability for most people to shoot
@@AlaskanBallistics exactly but for some reason most of the fan boys say that kind of like the 9mm fanboys saying 9mm is just as powerful as 357 mag
Great video and info
Thank you Lance
Without even watching the video, .41 magnum is far more potent than the 10mm, it’s not even close.
Nope... too many people say that they're close. The whole point of this video is that they're not
Yup. A simple comparison is either bullet weight or the velocity of the same bullet weight. A 10mm tops out at about 1,300 FPS with 180’s, the .41 Mag can do an easy 1,600 from a 6 inch revolver with 170’s. The 10mm tops out at 220 grains at around 1,100 FPS and the .41 will launch 265’s at around 1,400.
Nice video though.
Alaska is an interesting place man, I spent a couple weeks up there a few years ago and it never fails to remind a person of the ultimate brutal power of nature. You better have your shit together because even a small mistake in certain places can put you in extreme danger. It’s a humbling sort of experience.
I know what you mean. I've made those bad decisions a few times.
357 and 10mm are about as close as you can get. 41 and 10? Nope.
Agreed but i still have people comment on my 10mm vs 357 magnum videos that "10mm is like a 41"
@@AlaskanBallistics 😆 oh bless their heart.
Love the 10mm but it ain't no 41 or 44mag think of it more along the lines of a semi auto 357.
And that's why I have videos comparing those too
@@AlaskanBallistics yes sir.
have to take the meplat of that 41 bullet. being a little more pointed makes (can) a big difference in penetration. but beyond all that .. how did bb get 3 rounds so close in velocity??? true for the whole box i wonder?
Yeah I get good standard deviation for buffalo bore, but not always