@claverton, are you Australian? I'm Polish and a great admirerer of talented Australian athletes of the past, namely Herb Elliott, Ron Clarke, Peter Norman and this unbelievable Ralph Doubell. There were more of them.
But surprisingly, like Peter Norman, hardly recognition or remembered in his home country. Did not feature in the Sydney Olympics opening ceremony. I think this was his last major race, maybe ran in the 1970 Commonwealth Games, but retired went to university and eventually earned an MBA.
@@michaelhayden725 I was 12 in 1968 but I remember Ralph Doubell winning this race. I have the vaguest of vague memories that when all the "where are they now" pieces were being done ahead of the 2000 Games, it was said that Ralph Doubell was living in the US.
@@daleviker5884 he also was virtually ignored by the Australian Olympic Committee. He was then or went on to be a director of the company that managed the Olympic Stadium post the Olympics. He had an MBA.
Doubell had to run both the second and third curves on the very outside of lane one and on the inside of lane two. Running in lane two adds 7 meters per lap, so he ran, at least, an extra 5 meters. Amazing race. Thanks for posting.
My idol ss a young runner. Ran the perfect race at the perfect time.To run over Kiprigut in the last 50 metres just sheer desire and self belief. The ultimate athlete. All hail and thanks for the memory.
Fabulous race by Doubell who ran nearly even laps to win gold and equal the world record. People also forget he was a world class 400m runner for that time. Running low 46 sec. and had won at a number of meets over this distance. A Stampfl trained athlete
@Joseph the Great I'm still alive. I used to run in the late 60s to early 80s as a mediocre club runner. In Sydney Australia and then for Southampton & Eastleigh. Cerruty, Lydiard and Stampfl were the great innovative trainers of the 50s onwards. Mike Smith Southampton was a wizard as well. Stampfl was unigue in that he trained many champions in various athletic disciplines.
Doubell was trained by Franz Stampfl. With a legacy of Roger Bannister's first sub 4 minute mile, Ralph Doubell's Olympic win , or Peter Bourke's Commonwealth victory, Stampfl was one of the greatest coaches of his era. Along with Igloi, Lydiard and Cerutty, his success was remarkable. His incredible life story is also worthy of a novel or feature film.
This was, to use the words of the commentator, a brilliantly executed race. Doubell holds back slightly over the first 100m, gets into a good position by 300m then picks up the pace down the back straight on the second lap. His running technique is very smooth and efficient and combined with his pacing strategy meant he was still full of running with 100m to go. It's hard to criticize Kiprugut's strategy, which would have worked against anyone else in the world, and who clearly had enormous talent and courage to run the race he ran, but I do believe that if Franz Stampfl had been Kigrugut's coach, rather than Doubell's, then he would have won the race in world record time.
COME ON..THIS IS A WORLD RECORD EQUALING PERFORMANCE !!!!!!!(!!+!!!!!!! THAT SHOULD BE THE TITLE OF THIS REMARKABLE 1968 HIGH ALTITUDE LEGENDARY 800M ALL-TIME FAVOURITE!!!!!!!!?/*#@@@
The ex wife of a cousin of mine was married to a work colleague of Ralph Doubell when Ralph worked in London post his Olympic gold medal. Dinner party conversation turned to the 800 metre ambitions of a child of a lady guest. Ralph's wife said I'm sure Ralph would love to talk to your son about racing the 800 metres. The lady replied, What would Ralph Doubell know about the 800 metres. I heard him speak in the 1980's at a sporting lunch where he was the guest of honour. Ralph was incredibly modest. He did remark that he kept a very low profile on purpose in the lead up to the 1986 Olympics; the the press he was an unknown. To my mind, Ralph is virtually an unknown despite his amazing time which stood I believe as a record for over 40 years.
Fantastic race. What I notice in Doubell is that in the first lap he got left behind because the pace was too hot for him - he was flat out and couldn't keep up and the reason for that is, for such a big guy, he's got a small stride length - about 2 metres in length. However, what he lacks in stride length he more than makes up for in cadence - the speed of turnover which we see he uses down the back straight on the second lap to easily move into second place. Then the final weapon in his armoury comes into play, and that is his stamina, his ability to maintain his pace. While the leader rapidly fades, Doubell keeps his cadence going. A great lesson to all 800m athletes. I enjoyed watching this. Thanks for posting ASC.
gakaface great analysis...too bad spooges like Marty L. and 72 Marathoner winner ??? get to call the races and distort everything! Runners are not the best observers in my opinion...too egotistical and self centered for an objective view of the races.
Doubell took four strides more than the second-placed athlete in the last 100m which converts to about 7 - 7 1/2 metres, accounting for the subtle differences in their stride lengths at the finish.
Interesting comments and you might be right. But as a fast 400 metre runner it is doubtful the pace was too hot. Seems to me that he felt it was a very fast pace and settled towards the back and moved through gradually. Regarding his shorter stride, if he can finish fast and run a fast 400 metres, again it shouldn't have been an issue. He was not really a 'big guy': he was only 65kg and 1.80 metres, and he was significantly lighter than the Kenyan (71kg/1.78). It is also interesting that due to injury he did not compete in the six months prior to the Olympics, which makes it an even greater achievement. Injury problems also sadly curtailed his career.
Doubell explains his slower start to the race to the fact that there was a false start to the race which the starter wrongly assigned to him. He was concerned about being distracted or disqualified and so in the re-start he was very conservative which fed into a slow first 200m.
Amazing. Ralph Doubell kept his head, stayed in control and ran a very smart race, kicked it on home at exactly the right time. The Aussies! Shades of Herb Elliott, who was trained by the legendary wild man, Percy Cerutty. The Aussies run up sand dunes! Tough as nails.
First time I’ve seen this race,like watching it live.Well done the Aussie great race management,notice the East Germans were at it even in the sixties.
Notice Doubell was well back in fast start. Second, when Kiprugat took off with a gap at 350m, , Doubell immediately responded, when others did not...Kip faded, with 150 to go, only then did commentator take notice.
I was in the 2nd grade at school, and our teacher had a medal tally on the chalkboard in the classroom. I clearly remember her chalking a gold disc when Ralph won gold
1 Ralph Doubell Australia 1;44.3 2 Wilson Kiprugut Kenya 1;44.5 3 Tom Farrell United States 1;45.4 4 Walter Adams West Germany 1;45.8 5 Jozef Plachý Czechoslovakia 1;45.9 6 Dieter Fromm East Germany 1;46.2 7 Thomas Saisi Kenya 1;47.5 8 Ben Cayenne Trinidad and Tobago 1;54.3
I'm sure there are several athletes who are world class currently at 800m who can't crack 46 seconds for 400m. They aren't world champions probably, but world class.
Dave Wottle used the same method, 4 years later. Doubell was dead last after 100 meters. The 800 feels like almost a sprint but is rarely won wire to wire.
Salute to Kiprugut and to all front runners. Using 15% more energy than those behind, knowing it’ll hurt - though it could lead to a WR. Often by someone else.
He lost. Dumb running, the idea is to win the gold medal which stays forever not set world records which are always broken. Great run by Doubell, like Dave Wottle 4 years later.
@@terrya8989 He won the silver medal dumbass.. and improved from bronze medal win in Tokyo Olympics in 1964 where he won the first ever Kenyan Olympic medal.
They don’t hand out gold medals for front running, only winning. It was the Kenyan way at the time though. If your finish isn’t great, you have to take them on early.
Just had the chance to meet Tom Farrell, the bronze medalist in this race, yesterday in NYC. Terrific guy. It took a world record to beat him in Mexico, but his only comment about running his lifetime best of 1:45.46 in that race was that it felt too slow!
Great race by doubell under Olympic pressure....but I keep thinking about the superiority of snell who ran the same time on a grass track with no competition way back in 62....another level altogether
Might be on the edge of passing out. All efforts towards standing up. Mexico air is thin and polluted. The air in L A was also a joke. Ovett crushed the world in the breathable stuff.
WHY didn't you guys at least let the video play long enough to show what the new World Record time was, or post this time in the description section of your video?
Interesting one...a good example of the confusion with times that have been wiped out in the digital timing age. Snell's time in 1962 was 1.44.3,but in an 880 yard race. Four years later Jim Ryun also ran 1.44.3,again in an 880yds. ,so , as it was never ratified as a WR,I'm guessing it was an estimate? Doubell's time,although probably slightly slower(?)was the first electronically timed 800m WR, and was classified as equalling Snell's time.Confused? Join the club!
Thanks, I'm very much a numbers guy beside being a huge track & field fan and know (as you probably also do) that 880 yards is 4.67 meters more than 800 meters. So, do you mean the authorities/ratifiers must have interpolated Snell's 880 time down to 800 meters?
I have a feeling,though not totally certain,that Snell was expected to destroy the world record(which he did)and so they put up a timer at the 800m mark,whereas Ryun 's time for the 800 was just the standard 880 time minus 0.7 seconds. I think?! Anyone out there knows better,please comment!
Snell fixed 1.44.3 for 800m and 1.45.1 for 880 yrd in one race, both times were a world records at the time. Ryun ran 880 yrd in 1.44.9 and broke Snell's record, but the time for 800m was not fixed in that race. So Snell's record of 800m remained unbeaten. Take in mind that Snell ran along the grassy path, not on elastic tartan. Less air resistance at the height of Mexico City also plays a role in sprint disciplines. Distance 800m Snell called a long sprint.
@@AthletixStuffChannel Looking at the video, I'm pretty sure there were two sets of timing systems in place. It looks like there's a device on a tripod, and then about 4 and a half metres later, the hand timers at the second finish line.
An Aussie showing what he was made of ….. Perhaps he was somewhat unheralded at this time, but don’t discount the true Aussie spirit. Consider Peter Norman in the 200m around this time. The top black USA runners KNEW that he was very good. They were right - Peter darn nearly took the Gold
Doubell 1.44.4 Kiprugut 1.44.57. As Snell's WR was timed at 1.44.3 I've never been sure why this was considered a WR..might be that this was an electronic timing and Snell's was a reduction from an 880 yds. run...? Thanks for watching!
Very stylish performance by Ralph Doubell. Never lost his form & got his pace spot on.
Equaled the world record, held the Australian record for 50 years which was only broken in 2018. What a runner!
@claverton, are you Australian? I'm Polish and a great admirerer of talented Australian athletes of the past, namely Herb Elliott, Ron Clarke, Peter Norman and this unbelievable Ralph Doubell. There were more of them.
But surprisingly, like Peter Norman, hardly recognition or remembered in his home country. Did not feature in the Sydney Olympics opening ceremony. I think this was his last major race, maybe ran in the 1970 Commonwealth Games, but retired went to university and eventually earned an MBA.
@@michaelhayden725 I was 12 in 1968 but I remember Ralph Doubell winning this race. I have the vaguest of vague memories that when all the "where are they now" pieces were being done ahead of the 2000 Games, it was said that Ralph Doubell was living in the US.
@@daleviker5884 he also was virtually ignored by the Australian Olympic Committee. He was then or went on to be a director of the company that managed the Olympic Stadium post the Olympics. He had an MBA.
Doubell had to run both the second and third curves on the very outside of lane one and on the inside of lane two. Running in lane two adds 7 meters per lap, so he ran, at least, an extra 5 meters. Amazing race. Thanks for posting.
My idol ss a young runner. Ran the perfect race at the perfect time.To run over Kiprigut in the last 50 metres just sheer desire and self belief.
The ultimate athlete.
All hail and thanks for the memory.
The Kenyan, Kipricut did not think that anyone was within 2 or 3 metres of him until Doubell went passed him.
Fabulous race by Doubell who ran nearly even laps to win gold and equal the world record. People also forget he was a world class 400m runner for that time. Running low 46 sec. and had won at a number of meets over this distance. A Stampfl trained athlete
@Joseph the Great I'm still alive.
I used to run in the late 60s to early 80s as a mediocre club runner. In Sydney Australia and then for Southampton & Eastleigh.
Cerruty, Lydiard and Stampfl were the great innovative trainers of the 50s onwards.
Mike Smith Southampton was a wizard as well.
Stampfl was unigue in that he trained many champions in various athletic disciplines.
Doubell was trained by Franz Stampfl. With a legacy of Roger Bannister's first sub 4 minute mile, Ralph Doubell's Olympic win , or Peter Bourke's Commonwealth victory, Stampfl was one of the greatest coaches of his era. Along with Igloi, Lydiard and Cerutty, his success was remarkable. His incredible life story is also worthy of a novel or feature film.
51 and 53s for each lap respectively.
The greatest ever sports commentator the late great David Coleman
When Rudisha set the WR while winning gold in 2012, Commentator Steve Ovett mentioned this 1968 race.
Wilson Kiprugut strategy was perfectly executed. It took a 800 meter record performance by Ralph Doubell to defeat him. Great race!
if perfectly executing something means losing then I think you struggle for another definition.
What a great run that was. Really tactically smart.
Ralph Doubell...way cool! That was "his day" in 1968!!!!
This was, to use the words of the commentator, a brilliantly executed race.
Doubell holds back slightly over the first 100m, gets into a good position by 300m then picks up the pace down the back straight on the second lap. His running technique is very smooth and efficient and combined with his pacing strategy meant he was still full of running with 100m to go.
It's hard to criticize Kiprugut's strategy, which would have worked against anyone else in the world, and who clearly had enormous talent and courage to run the race he ran, but I do believe that if Franz Stampfl had been Kigrugut's coach, rather than Doubell's, then he would have won the race in world record time.
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COME ON..THIS IS A WORLD RECORD EQUALING PERFORMANCE !!!!!!!(!!+!!!!!!! THAT SHOULD BE THE TITLE OF THIS REMARKABLE 1968 HIGH ALTITUDE LEGENDARY 800M ALL-TIME FAVOURITE!!!!!!!!?/*#@@@
Sensational piece of Australian sporting history!
What a kick by Doubell. Very smart strategic race.
High quality video for a superb race!
My husband says it was the best race he has ever seen. Amazing run.
Well, if your hubby says so!
say what u say who cares about hub opinion.
a brilliantly executed race well done Doubell
Ralph's Australian record that stood for 50yrs.
What was the time though?
@@beorlingo 1:44.3
The ex wife of a cousin of mine was married to a work colleague of Ralph Doubell when Ralph worked in London post his Olympic gold medal.
Dinner party conversation turned to the 800 metre ambitions of a child of a lady guest.
Ralph's wife said I'm sure Ralph would love to talk to your son about racing the 800 metres.
The lady replied, What would Ralph Doubell know about the 800 metres.
I heard him speak in the 1980's at a sporting lunch where he was the guest of honour.
Ralph was incredibly modest. He did remark that he kept a very low profile on purpose in the lead up to the 1986 Olympics; the the press he was an unknown.
To my mind, Ralph is virtually an unknown despite his amazing time which stood I believe as a record for over 40 years.
Just saw him on You Cant Ask Thst on the ABC. Amazing athlete. Astonishing achievement.
saw him on it too ... laconic, funny, modest to a fault
Coleman at his best!
Terrific race calling. He builds the drama. Only wish he would refrain from calling the winner, esp. from so far out. Crowd is really vocal.
Incredible run by Doubell.
Fabulous race, Tom Farrell gave his all during a memorable work record pace.
Fantastic race. What I notice in Doubell is that in the first lap he got left behind because the pace was too hot for him - he was flat out and couldn't keep up and the reason for that is, for such a big guy, he's got a small stride length - about 2 metres in length. However, what he lacks in stride length he more than makes up for in cadence - the speed of turnover which we see he uses down the back straight on the second lap to easily move into second place. Then the final weapon in his armoury comes into play, and that is his stamina, his ability to maintain his pace. While the leader rapidly fades, Doubell keeps his cadence going. A great lesson to all 800m athletes.
I enjoyed watching this. Thanks for posting ASC.
gakaface great analysis...too bad spooges like Marty L. and 72 Marathoner winner ??? get to call the races and distort everything! Runners are not the best observers in my opinion...too egotistical and self centered for an objective view of the races.
Doubell took four strides more than the second-placed athlete in the last 100m which converts to about 7 - 7 1/2 metres, accounting for the subtle differences in their stride lengths at the finish.
Excellent comment
Interesting comments and you might be right. But as a fast 400 metre runner it is doubtful the pace was too hot. Seems to me that he felt it was a very fast pace and settled towards the back and moved through gradually. Regarding his shorter stride, if he can finish fast and run a fast 400 metres, again it shouldn't have been an issue. He was not really a 'big guy': he was only 65kg and 1.80 metres, and he was significantly lighter than the Kenyan (71kg/1.78). It is also interesting that due to injury he did not compete in the six months prior to the Olympics, which makes it an even greater achievement. Injury problems also sadly curtailed his career.
Doubell explains his slower start to the race to the fact that there was a false start to the race which the starter wrongly assigned to him. He was concerned about being distracted or disqualified and so in the re-start he was very conservative which fed into a slow first 200m.
Watched this live as a 9 year old ....still gives me goosebumps !
Amazing. Ralph Doubell kept his head, stayed in control and ran a very smart race, kicked it on home at exactly the right time. The Aussies! Shades of Herb Elliott, who was trained by the legendary wild man, Percy Cerutty. The Aussies run up sand dunes! Tough as nails.
So UNCOOL to show a video like this and not show or give times ... at least the winning time!!!!!
Such is life
EXTREMELY UNCOOL!! Actually, it's RIDICULOUS!!!
😡😡😡😡😡
Hats off to my compatriot, Wilson Kiprugut. He helped to lay foundation for Kenya's dominance in 800m over the years. Well done!
First time I’ve seen this race,like watching it live.Well done the Aussie great race management,notice the East Germans were at it even in the sixties.
Notice Doubell was well back in fast start. Second, when Kiprugat took off with a gap at 350m, , Doubell immediately responded, when others did not...Kip faded, with 150 to go, only then did commentator take notice.
I was in the 2nd grade at school, and our teacher had a medal tally on the chalkboard in the classroom.
I clearly remember her chalking a gold disc when Ralph won gold
1 Ralph Doubell Australia 1;44.3
2 Wilson Kiprugut Kenya 1;44.5
3 Tom Farrell United States 1;45.4
4 Walter Adams West Germany 1;45.8
5 Jozef Plachý Czechoslovakia 1;45.9
6 Dieter Fromm East Germany 1;46.2
7 Thomas Saisi Kenya 1;47.5
8 Ben Cayenne Trinidad and Tobago 1;54.3
Thanks - cant believe the times are not stated in the video details or title.
My idles were Sebastian Coe and Steve Ovett foe 800 and 1500M during 80's Olympics game
What a champion he is
Under 51 seconds first lap!
What a gutsy piece of front running by Kiprugut. He gave his all, and a well deserved silver.
Great run!
Brilliant!
Running style reminds me of Dave Wottle
Tom Farrell closed fast...first person I ever saw run an 880 in 1964 Catholic league competition!
WELL done Ralph !
I'm sure there are several athletes who are world class currently at 800m who can't crack 46 seconds for 400m. They aren't world champions probably, but world class.
That was fucken amazing! What a performance. Doubell, you absolute master!
This equaled Peter Snells 800m WR which is still the New Zealand record as of 2024 (62 years and counting)
Dave Wottle used the same method, 4 years later. Doubell was dead last after 100 meters. The 800 feels like almost a sprint but is rarely won wire to wire.
Legend
You forgot to mention equalled the world record.
Salute to Kiprugut and to all front runners. Using 15% more energy than those behind, knowing it’ll hurt - though it could lead to a WR. Often by someone else.
He lost. Dumb running, the idea is to win the gold medal which stays forever not set world records which are always broken. Great run by Doubell, like Dave Wottle 4 years later.
@@terrya8989 He won the silver medal dumbass.. and improved from bronze medal win in Tokyo Olympics in 1964 where he won the first ever Kenyan Olympic medal.
They don’t hand out gold medals for front running, only winning. It was the Kenyan way at the time though. If your finish isn’t great, you have to take them on early.
Nice effort by the Kenyan, too.
Estuve ese día en el estadio olimpico creó fue un jueves, tarde lluviosa pero inolvidable. Recuerdos inborrables en compania de mi padre.
Great victory by a great Australian.
Great run, super race
Gotta be a Top 🎱 Aussie athletics sportsman EVER
ラルフ・ドーベ。オーストラリアの陸上競技選手。1968年メキシコオリンピック男子800mの金メダリスト
Just had the chance to meet Tom Farrell, the bronze medalist in this race, yesterday in NYC. Terrific guy. It took a world record to beat him in Mexico, but his only comment about running his lifetime best of 1:45.46 in that race was that it felt too slow!
legend
Great race by doubell under Olympic pressure....but I keep thinking about the superiority of snell who ran the same time on a grass track with no competition way back in 62....another level altogether
Powerful running
No easing up before the line, reward was a WR.
What a kick!!! Anglo Pride! 😀
Nice one Ralph
He doesn't even look that happy in the end. Probably too stuffed from lack of O2!
Might be on the edge of passing out. All efforts towards standing up. Mexico air is thin and polluted. The air in L A was also a joke. Ovett crushed the world in the breathable stuff.
Wow!
The stands in Mexico City were nearly EMPTY! IOOC probably scratched Mexico off the list for ever hosting Olympics again - what a disgrace!
Google Marcello Fiasconaro, break world record, 1973 , 1. 43 .7 , I think it was.
Jozef Plachý ČSSR 5. místo. ♥
The weird stack of people watching at the finishing line.
Although he ended up being correct, I think the announcer called the race for Doubell too soon
He seemed to make up 4 metres in just a few strides on the final turn into the straight
Nice.
Yes but what was the time??!!
1 44.40. ( I think )
1:44:3
WHY didn't you guys at least let the video play long enough to show what the new World Record time was, or post this time in the description section of your video?
What was Doubell's official time (which the poster said equaled Snell's WR)?
Interesting one...a good example of the confusion with times that have been wiped out in the digital timing age. Snell's time in 1962 was 1.44.3,but in an 880 yard race. Four years later Jim Ryun also ran 1.44.3,again in an 880yds. ,so , as it was never ratified as a WR,I'm guessing it was an estimate? Doubell's time,although probably slightly slower(?)was the first electronically timed 800m WR, and was classified as equalling Snell's time.Confused? Join the club!
Thanks, I'm very much a numbers guy beside being a huge track & field fan and know (as you probably also do) that 880 yards is 4.67 meters more than 800 meters. So, do you mean the authorities/ratifiers must have interpolated Snell's 880 time down to 800 meters?
I have a feeling,though not totally certain,that Snell was expected to destroy the world record(which he did)and so they put up a timer at the 800m mark,whereas Ryun 's time for the 800 was just the standard 880 time minus 0.7 seconds. I think?! Anyone out there knows better,please comment!
Snell fixed 1.44.3 for 800m and 1.45.1 for 880 yrd in one race, both times were a world records at the time. Ryun ran 880 yrd in 1.44.9 and broke Snell's record, but the time for 800m was not fixed in that race. So Snell's record of 800m remained unbeaten. Take in mind that Snell ran along the grassy path, not on elastic tartan. Less air resistance at the height of Mexico City also plays a role in sprint disciplines. Distance 800m Snell called a long sprint.
@@AthletixStuffChannel Looking at the video, I'm pretty sure there were two sets of timing systems in place. It looks like there's a device on a tripod, and then about 4 and a half metres later, the hand timers at the second finish line.
what was his TIME?????
1.44.3,which equalled Snell's WR of the time.
Farrell 3rd
An Aussie showing what he was made of …..
Perhaps he was somewhat unheralded at this time, but don’t discount the true Aussie spirit.
Consider Peter Norman in the 200m around this time.
The top black USA runners KNEW that he was very good. They were right - Peter darn nearly took the Gold
How come the stadium is at least one-third empty for the 800m final?
Good question but at least it wasn’t as pathetic as Rio Lmao
IOC lowlifes hoard tickets they never use.
Tickets were expensive. Especially for locals.
Time ?
Doubell 1.44.4 Kiprugut 1.44.57. As Snell's WR was timed at 1.44.3 I've never been sure why this was considered a WR..might be that this was an electronic timing and Snell's was a reduction from an 880 yds. run...? Thanks for watching!
@@AthletixStuffChannel wasn’t Snells on grass also?
1:44:30
Errrrrrrr remarkable…..David Coleman!
🇰🇪キプルグトは東京🥉 雪辱を果たせなかったのは残念。空気の薄い🇲🇽で800㍍は、記録を出すのに有利不利の分岐点だったと思う。男子世界タイ、女子世界新（非公認、辛金丹の1.58.0には及ばず）が出た事に、まさか絶対無理だと思っていたのに、いい意味で予想を裏切られました。
Bet you more than doubelled your money if you had a quid each way on him
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Tom Farrell 3rd!
Last time a white guy won
An Australian? Never heard about him. Australian athletics in 2018 is down, almost nonexistent.
Waltt If you’re as old as me you would’ve!🤣
Nick Symmonds ran 1:42 in last summer's olympics and has a personal best in the 400 of 47.4. Just sayin.
More like 1:43, wouldn't you say? And unless they run the 400m regularly, their PB is probably not an accurate representation of their potential.
So what? 40 years after Doubell?!
Wow!