How many PS5 exclusives did they really have, and how many were must have console sellers? Not enough. Xbox 360 had the best launch for titles; no one has ever had a better launch since... except for backwards compatible devices.
@@ItsjustBlackJackhere Disagree... Xbox killed themselves at that point starting to ramp up the greed on the way to the tragic xbox 1 launch. They made all multiplayer games paid to play online monthly... which was not mentioned until they forced it on players(ruining launch titles like Shadowrun)... then a bunch of games were cancelled for online support and servers(online only games)... even though they were still selling the games in stores... ie. ChromeHounds etc
@@frogfarmer3551most people do because most people still have ps4 and it’s only natural for them to say current gen because that’s what they have currently and all the ps5 games are also on ps4
my reply to you is referring to all these other commenters in here, but I can’t help myself. I am on PlayStation five, but this man made a valid point on his comment which is lots of people refer to the PS4 as current GEN. Lots of people at least many people I know even though I suggest everybody upgrades to a five anyway.
Here's the harsh reality. This economy is horrible and inflation is steep this time around. The essential needs have become extremely expensive. The gaming industry isn't immune to this and our purchasing power as a whole has declined. As much as we're all gamers and love to play, it's not a necessity when times are rough and you need a roof over your head, food to eat, and have bills to pay. People are cutting back on things they don't absolutely need because they have to. This on top of not hanging a more enticing exclusive line up and boom, no upgrade.
What You Said I still play and owned my PS4 Pro console due to financial reasons the same time this economy inflation will not leave no time soon until either they cut the price or they will stop making ps4 games that’s when start transitioning to the PlayStation 5 console.
Also PS5 are barely now available in stores when they weren't for the longest time. There's no significant price drop for ps5. Switch and PS4 are still getting modern games. The jump from 4 to 5 isn't really significant. I have zero insensitive to buy an overpriced console when Switch and PS4 are still getting modern releases
I can give a couple reasons, 1- the lack of games hurt it. 2- its very expensive still even after 4 years 3-paying for online services 4-pc exists. (Also the 8th gen console is boring, that includes xbox too)
For me back in 2021 it was either a pc or ps5. For 1 I needed a pc (Laptop was experiencing a fatal issue), I already had a ps4 and a pc was more powerful and versatile. The cost of either made it a significant investment not like a cheap £200 ps4 so it was quite the easy choice.
@@thsxi and also people say computers are expensive but i have 5 computers and most of them are dumpster dives and then you buy the separate parts to upgrade the board, made a pc with a 4790k,240mm AIO that I found in the trash that was working perfectly,gtx 970 I found on ebay ,16gb of ddr3 and a 1tb ssd I bought from WD directly, it cost me 200 cad in total
@@thsxi yt deleted my comment so imma post it again, I own several computers and most of them are found in a dumpster, made one with a 4790k,gtx 970,240mm aio,16gb of ram,1tb ssd. The 2 things I bought new was the ssd and power supply, the ram was bought off ebay and the rest was dumpster finds near a tech place throwing stuff out. You could argue I could have also bought the ssd used and the psu and I could agree with the ssd but the psu is a big no
400-500$ is expensive after 4 years? The ps4 was 400$ when it was first released back in 2013. You guys had almost 4 years to save money and wait for the prices to go back to normal after all the scalping. Now all of a sudden 400-500$ is expensive? You and everyone else must really suck at saving money dude
It's easy to see why. Sony doesn't make it an incentive for gamers to switch to PS4. First of all, the games for PS4 online are always on sale. Second, the price of PS5 games are expensive and they are riddled with micro transactions. Third, PS4 has a huge library that many haven't dipped into yet which brings to the fourth reason. It's cheaper to get a PS4 and play PS4 games. PS4 is a well built console. The only reason to get a PS5 is if your PS4 breaks down. That's it really
PS4 slim owner here: The price still hasn't gone down yet despite the slim revision. We typically see a price reduction after several years + free game bundles but 4 years in, the price only seems to creep up. 😠
@@ShamirQushairi As a Ps4 Slim owner I agree. It's generally cheaper than the base model making it the better option to buy. But with the Ps5 its the total opposite. What the point of calling it a slim if it's still the priced the same or more expensive than the base model? Pathetic
@@unicorntomboy9736It adds context though. The fact that he has a PS4 slim indicates he waited out the OG PS4 to instead buy a slim PS4 which was cheaper. He hasn't gotten a PS5 phat and likely waited for a size and price reduction for the next slim cycle, which didn't happen. Don't criticize without thinking an extra round first. And even then, criticism is rarely necessary, so there's that too.
I'll tell you why for load times imagine waiting 15 to 20 seconds everytime you want to fast travel or enter and exit a building. Ps4 load times are abysmal by comparison, all ps4 games run significantly better on ps5. Only reason people aren't even talking about this is because they haven't experienced how fast the console truly is first hand I can go from a dragon battle in Skyrim straight to a race in need for speed or to a match in Mortal Kombat almost instantly. Graphics and exclusives are the last things I cared about when upgrading
@ballinn0430 I've never had that problem with the console....only a few games that would cause the fan to go into overdive....mw 2019 was one of them I remember but it's usually pretty quiet
@LoverofTruth1 I agree 👍🏻 my ps4 still has a lot of life left in it which is why I haven't felt the need to upgrade to a ps5, plus the ps5 is still very expensive even today, I also have over 200 playstation plus games in my library that I still haven't played yet lol
@@denist.8058 Yeah we mocked the PS3 for how expensive it was on launch day, but it still offers better value than a PS4 or PS5. At this point in the PS3's life (3-4 years in) it was getting a Slim model and yet another price cut.
@@kingdeedee I'm not a dog, "bro". People mocked it but it came with a hard drive either 20GB or 60GB as standard, the CECHA model had WiFi as standard, both had Blu-ray disc players as standard at a time when a standalone player was more expensive than a PS3, plus full compatibility with every previous generation game from the discs you already owned. Basically all things the Xbox 360 didn't without buying upgrades and (or never got, like Blu-ray), it had from new. People might have disagreed with the price but this still offers more features compared to consoles today - the PS5 can't even play CDs, for example. PS3 was the last PlayStation to be able to do that. There's a reason the original PS3s are still worth a lot used today. Xbox 360 usually had the best cross platform titles though. I'd always use the 360 for stuff like that over the PS3.
@@garydiamondguitarist “dog” isn’t meant to be offensive but no problem if you don’t like it bro Regardless, the PS3 launch was a mess and acting like it was such a great value compared to the PS5 based on a bunch of deprecated features no one cares about anymore is ridiculous. You might as well also bring up the PS3’s CF and memory stick slots while you’re at it seeing as the PS5 also doesn’t have those. There are LOADS of cheap CD players out there if you want one so bad. The blu ray thing is sort of valid, based on the hype around blu ray at the time but that was already the PS2’s biggest party trick and that launched for $299 USD ($544 today). Plus the PS3’s weird cell architecture is one of the biggest reasons PS5 backward compatibility is so up and down in the first place. It severely handicapped the PS3’s market performance back then and it’s still handicapping the PS4 and 5 today. I’m with you on the 360 though, it was definitely the better all around place to play most games, again partly thanks to some games being unavailable/delayed/worse on PS3 due to the cell chip, but also since the 360 laid the groundwork for a modern social gaming network.
Load times on ps4 are abysmal they don't even come close to the ps5, can't even imagine playing a game like skyrim on the ps4 where it takes 10 to 20 seconds if not more to fast travel or enter and exit buildings while on the ps5 it's like 2 to 3 seconds max and you can load into the world automatically by using the activity card to skip menus without pressing any extra buttons. Can go from a dragon battle straight into a race in need for speed or a fight in MK in mere seconds
@pieck5460 Load times are a non issue. We've been playing games like that since the 90s bro.'Faster' load times are just a gimmick. The truth is all the great games are still on ps4. 4yrs on not enough exclusives. The current gen sucks
And the best games that are well made kept the load screens to a minimum to ensure we as players stay immersed in the game, its mostly the shitty games that need to brute force their load times with the hardware so it isnt unplayable
Bought my very first PS4 pro and PS3 super slim last week. Unless there is a PS5 pro in the shelves by the time GTA 6 releases, I'm waiting for PS6 altogether.
today i would say the ps4 owners wait for ps6 insteat of ps5 pro, 700 dollars without a disc dive and no stance, and in euros 800 without it, plus disc drive plus stands you must pay 950 euros for the ps5 pro so i say nope they won`t upgrade too ps5 pro and never will.
They never did a good Black Friday deal. I got my 1TB Slim PS4 on Black Friday for $199 with a bonus $50 gift card. Sony being too greedy. Consoles are supposed to be sold at a loss, to increase the install base to sell the games. That's the business model.
The fun part is that PS4 wasn't even being sold at a loss. It was sold at a loss back in 2013ish for 6 months and then Sony would make profit on each console sold.
I forgot about that people have stopped going to black Fridays because of inflation. No joke they would lie and put the same price pretending it was at a lower price or it wouldn't be super low compared to previous black Friday deals
It doesn't have to be the model, that's just the way Sony and Microsoft play it. Nintendo never loses money on the Console, even if it's a failure like the Wii U or Gamecube.
Wanted a PS5 when it came out, couldn't get it for like 2 years due to shortages, realised during that time the PS4 still served me well and most games still get released on it, so didn't bother throwing down 500+ bucks after that
Like with the PS4, I was going to wait about 18 months before jumping in to the new gen cycle. But then I saw all those 'fast loading' videos and thought that alone was worth the jump. What I didn't realize is for fast loading to work, a game had to be made with that in mind and be a PS5 version. My PS4 games loaded the same on PS5. They maybe a little faster, but 10 seconds or something off a minute loading isn't that noticeable, really. The only big difference I noticed between the two systems is the UI is fast and I could multitask (like edit a video and upload it while I was still in a game session.
You say that but you literally can't play a large chunk of the goty nominees from last year You ain't playing Baldur's Gate III on no PS4 You ain't playing no Alan Wake II on no PS4 You ain't playing no Spider-Man 2 on no PS4 And from this year ALONE: You ain't playing no Helldivers II on no PS4 You ain't playing no Final Fantasy VII Rebirth on no PS4 You ain't playing no Stellar Blade on no PS4 You ain't playing no Rise of the Ronin on no PS4 I can go on and on: No Ratchet and Clank A Rift Apart, No Demon's Souls, No Final Fantasy XVI, I can go on forever, but I don't want this comment to become a novel lol You only got 3 goty crossgen titles early on and you're like "aw man I can play PS4 forever!" LOL! And whatever is still coming to PS4, you are still stuck at 30fps...
How tf do u still play on 30fps though lol You’d say that it’s not a big deal for you but the moment you try playing with higher fps you won’t be able to come back, I understand why pc players usually laugh at console users.
because the console is still expensive, it hasn't dropped 1 dollar in price, It has increased with 250 dollars here in Norway, from 499 bucks in 2020, and now its 750 bucks for a ps5.
Is that USD? In the USA we are taxed at point of sale so we pay more than $500 for it too. You have VAT which the manufacturer pays and in order to pass the cost to you they raise the price including having to ship it to you.
Swede here, so I suffer from high electronics prices like you do. I happen to visit Germany quite often and a couple of months ago, the PS5 slim disc version was €460 over there which was 5300 SEK back then. Not super cheap, but a lot less than the 7000+ I usually see in Sweden. Maybe you'll get lucky some day in the future. It was a bulky hassle getting through airport security though, but they didn't stop me in any way 😁
@@robertlawrence9000 Sorry to barge in on your conversation, but I thought VAT was always added on top of whatever sales price the stores show, which is why you guys hate taxes. In Europe, all prices are always VAT et cetera included so we aren't surprised at the point of payment. I calculated it with the February exchange rate and I got my PS5 slim for $495 USD, €460 or 5285 SEK. As of today, in Sweden you can buy it for SEK 6850, give or take, which is $645 in today's dollar.
@@Henkibojj That's a reasonable price to me compared to the US. It's about that amount before sales tax. We don't have VAT. We only have sales tax. Depending on where someone lives in the US it varies on the amount. So when the PS5 shows the price of $500, that is before sales tax. At the checkout point or at the cash register, they will add the tax. So final price can be $550 plus or minus depending on the state you live in. I've seen anywhere between 6% sales tax all the way to around 16% sales tax.
@@robertlawrence9000 Thanks for your explanation. Always interesting to learn more. To clarify, that $495 was a one-week only offer, and it's a lot more today ($645 or so).
Literally this, my most played game, Final Fantasy XIV, is getting Dawntrail on the PS4 and it'll likely be the final expansion released on PS4. Once Dawntrail ends, then I'll upgrade. Until then, I just see no point since only two games really interest me on PS5 which is Remnant 2 and Helldivers 2. Everything else has been meh to me
@@CohenMoreyeah? i mean its not like all their ps4 games wont work, a big game like that being a console seller is not anything new. halo is the biggest example that comes to mins, people specifically bought xboxs for that game, tgis is nothing new
Did ...you know... you can play PS4 games? Hmm?? Yeah, it works. Some even work better than the base PS4 game. For example, Final Fantasy VII Remake has an upgrade path from PS4 to PS5. I was surprised at how well it worked.
So buy an expensive console to play the last consoles games? Are you seriously this dedicated to gobshiting to finally have a fellow ps5 player to play with?@@CarlosXPhone
@@JohnKobaRuddy OK, if you don't care or don't care to understand, then, go somewhere else. I think PS5 is not perfect, but I think as a whole, its a test bed for PS6. I don't think people understand the full picture. PS5 is powerful, but everyone is missing the little stuff. The Backwards Compatible thing in PS5 is the "innovation." The innovation isn't apparent, but the innovation is there. They need to perfect the heating stuff, they did it. They need to perfect the Ray Tracing. They kind-of did, the PS5 pro is gonna be Sony's "ah ha" moment. But again misunderstand me, I really don't care. I like smart people. You're not. I say again; PS5 is a powerful system, but we are still in the cross-gen period. Even Black Ops 6 is on PS4. But, PS4 won't run well, its why my brother and I went like, "yeah, its time. We need to upgrade." I played the MWIII beta on PS4, we saw the texture issues from the get-go.
that's why u go PC gaming. multiplayers free. entry fee is higher than console (if paying for good hardware) but life-cycle is as long as you like since all games are compatible as long as your hardware can play it.
1) it's expensive to "upgrade" 2) there hasn't been enough(if any) can't miss PS5 only titles 3) there are lots of great games we still had to catch up with
PS3 backlog is huge for me, as a kid yeah knocked them out nonestop, as an adult life hits and weekends are sorta my free time so yep…. Still enjoying PS3 and PS4 titles.
Nice my backlog is around 100 games in PS3 and PS4/PS5(mostly games that have two versions) and I totally agree my PS5 is mostly a quieter system but I have to say transitioning from a PS4 slim to PS5 was an improvement on certain aspects. Right now I'm playing on a PS3 super slim which I got from my cousin for my birthday last February and I'm mostly playing on that rather than the PS5. My yearly Warp up will be fucked because the don't show the PS3 time in it 😅
As an adult, getting a PS5 is worth it for the faster loading alone. You will save a lot more time, especially if you're playing a game where long loading is a punishment for failure (e.g. having to restart a level when going for a perfect run on Crash Bandicoot 4)
My 2016 version 😂😂 Boeing ✈️. Shits Loud AF… For some one that cleans it every week (I have no pets I just choose to clean it) it still loud after I repast the thermal, squeaky Clean Fan an heat sink yet loud still oh and clean the power supply for save measure yet still loud😅 What ever I do clean or not little guy loud like Boeing ✈️
@@LAGator-qu7tc No, Shits Bad For Health Overall those that do don’t care two flying shits about their lungs and health. Same as drinking bad for liver and kidneys also ruins relationships..
I have a slim also and damn thing starts taking off well used to i took the shell off drilled holes for some fans now its way quiet idk if its the thermal paste or it all crammed together@@VenomKeenerYT
The PS3 was such a magical era of gaming for me. At that point in time in 2011 the only consoles I’ve had that were actually mine was the DS lite and the Wii (also had the original DS), I feel like my world has been truly opened up. Me and my sister got an original Xbox for Christmas one year, of course I mainly played it but she played The Sims a lot on it too. I remember going home in the car when I got my PS3, it came with Medal of Honor and Uncharted 2 Among Thieves. Which was my first PlayStation first party game I had played. Still to this day the PS3 is so impressive to me because of its catalogue of games, but also I had pictures and music on it as well. Three GTA games, quite a few Transformer games, and who could forget PlayStation Home? I love the PS4 and PS5, but PS3 has the aura to it. It’s not just nostalgia, it’s just an amazing product. I’d love to get another one again one day and play some stuff before the servers go down.
@@brandoncrutchfield2258 honestly I never had one back in the day, so it’s pretty epic being able to play all the epic games in ps3 (RDR1,COD etc.) for little to no money 😎
Because the ps5 is the ps4 pro pro. How many actually exclusive games came out? If someone isnt interested in the better performance then there really isnt a super compelling reason to upgrade.
@@FezCaliph What won't age well? If performance really mattered that much to ps4 users they would have gone for a PC lol. The games run fine and there is no real reason to go the ps5. Unless until you wanna play elden ring, which ig is ps5 only.
PS5 doesn't have the kind of exclusives to justify a $500 console and $70 games in this economy, raising PS+ prices is just driving more online gamers to PC as can clearly be seen with Helldivers II for example, and supply issues from the pandemic have basically killed its sales momentum. Obviously Microsoft's not doing much better either this whole console generation is struggling and it's not hard to see why. This might be the weakest console lineup we've had since the days of the Atari 5200. If GTAVI somehow ends-up being disappointing or subpar in some way to the point that it impacts sales (unlikely but not outside the realm of possibility given Rockstar's increasing cynicism, greed, and hostile, antagonistic attitude towards fans) then it'll be safe to say at that point that this entire generation is a failure and the next one will need to be a drastic pivot towards what consumers actually want instead of this dystopian Hellscape of live service penny-pinching, stick-drifting, and digital-only anti-preservation.
@@ValMeri417 Just barely. It finally started getting some worthwhile exclusives by around 2017 but many of its issues were tolerated simply because Xbox wasn't a good alternative and the economy was stronger at the time. Games and hardware also weren't as expensive.
Games are getting more demanding and more expensive to make and are costing $70 without their deluxe versions, people will buy less and less games and there will be more and more layoffs. The industry won't be able to sustain itself like that
@@randyrrs7028Iwata predicted this in 2004. when consoles become more powerful, the time to develop a game becomes longer. Thats why nintendo focuses on gameplay instead of hardware
I have a PS5 and play both PS5 games and PS4 games on it. I just don't use my PS5 as much as older consoles like the PS2, PS3, and the Xbox 360. The real reasons there are so many people who can afford to upgrade from PS4 to the PS5 but are refusing to do so is because the PS5 has a very miniscule library of exclusives just for that particular console and the fact most of the popular titles only for PlayStation also have a PS4 version and/or ports to the PC does nothing but convince many PlayStation users who still have their PS4 and still won't upgrade consoles that upgrading from the PS4 to the PS5 is a pointless waste of money.
@@victory7763 Still playable though for 11 year old console who still gets some support with new games and can be bought under 100 euros IF you're lucky enough.
@@victory7763 this "argument" is a funny cope. Funny PS4 runs just fine as a matter of fact PS3 runs just fine. And there's games fun games. Yeah PS5 may be superior with frame rates and graphics but how far is that going to get you without engaging fun games?????
How is 450 for a console expensive now adays. People spend more on tvs,earbuds,sound systems,etc . People had 4 years to save up yet still say its to expensive like ps4 when it launched was 400
@@carljordan5429 if the ps5 was on special for $300 you would not hesitate to buy it. $400 is actually very cheap, well from my point of view lol, in Australia the ps5 is from $680 to $800. If Australia was selling it for $400 everyone who can afford it would be buying one lol. What country are you from & what's the exchange rate? Cause $400 for a ps5 is too good to be true. So you're either lying or it's a scam
Here in Brazil, the PS5 is still considerably expensive and unfortunately there was no price cut like the PS4 after the launch of the PS4 Slim and PS4 Pro, many people (including my brother) are on the PS4 and do not intend to migrate to a new console right now. In more developed countries, I think there are some other reasons that contribute to this, such as the pandemic that left several people (and countries) in complicated situations, mainly financial, we still don't have many "next-gen only" games that prove to be "mind blowing" and honestly, apart from just 3 exceptions, the "next-gen only" games that I've seen so far don't seem that impressive to me to the point of wanting a new console just for that.
Cuz I haven’t had anything that wowed me on the same level sa Bloodborne, The Witcher 3, RDR2, uncharted 4, GOW 2018, MHW Games that were not just graphical powerhouses but actually pushed the medium to the next level
Cost of living is going up, wages are stagnating so people don’t have disposable income to spend on a game console when they’re more worried about whether or not they can pay rent or not.
Not a huge mystery, base PS4 was $299 at this point, PS5 has gone up in price as well as the cost of living. Dropping the price will increase sales dramatically I believe
Yeah I was a die hard PlayStation player but once covid and PS5 came out and nobody could buy one and still no games are available on PS5 and PC can run games at double the fps so why not just suck it up and switch
This generation has been lame, higher price games and service. Very few exclusive I actually enjoy. Too many gaas garbage. Everything tries to nickel and dime you. I had ps5 during lanuch. Last year spiderman, this year Stella. Other than that gamepass on Xbox and pc.
That’s a damn lie lol you people come up with the most dumb takes, ps4 didn’t have allot exclusives till around 2015-2016 it’s been this way every gen. Around 4 years in is when the heavy hitters start rolling out, then you had the pandemic that slowed development down too. 2025 is gonna be a big year and all these upcoming games aren’t coming to PS4
The PS5 wasn’t even widely available until late 2022, and when it was there weren’t really any PS5 exclusive games. Most games that came out were also on PS4-but most importantly the upgrade is simply quality of life. Games look a little better and load significantly faster but that’s it. The era of big leaps is over, and people just don’t have as much money. Which is the reason why Sony would simply be wasting their time having the PS6 release. I’m telling you now, I will not be getting the PS6 regardless of what exclusives are on it. If they’re sticking to this 7 year window despite games taking 3 times as long to release then I’m simply skipping the next console.
PS6 Pro would be the definitive next-gen console. PS6 would just be the lite version as our PS5 would be compared to PS5 Pro which should've been THE PS5.
The only exclusive that interests me that isn’t cross platform is Spiderman 2. I’m not buying a new console just for one game. I’m happy with God of War Ragnarok, Horizon 2, Gran Turismo 7 and Sackboy on my PS4.
I felt scammed buying a PS5. I waited until this year cause it was so difficult to get one. But during that time I moved to PC. Got the PS5 and realized there’s no games. Only ones that I really cared about are GT7 Spiderman 2 and GOW Ragnarok. Everything else I could get on gamepass or steam. Spending 500$ for 3 games doesn’t sit right with me. I’m probably gonna sell it. This gen of consoles is awful.
Having depression, anxiety and/or mental health issues. Thus mainting a stable job tends to be mentally taxing and because of such instances, buying luxury items like a PS5 is not in the realm of priorities when bills/other responsiblies also have to be maintained. And because of that, we are stuck on PS4. Not everyone is in this type of situation or is better of and kudos to them. Happy that they are able to maintain themselves like that. Or it's another reason entirely. I'm sure there are other people in this situation and I genuinely hope it all gets better. Time will tell.
I love my ps2 and ps3 ps2 has the real mortal kombat games evil dead resurrection TMNT and ps3 has a loooooooooooooooooot of gems that aren’t going to see the light of day on ps5 we were told that we could play ps2 and ps3 and ps4 games on the ps5 bullshit lol
coz most ps4 users play cod/fifa/apex/fortnite. even bo6 is on ps4. its not the $70 price tho because cod still sells even at that price. there just arent enough incentives to get a ps5 for most of the casuals when their ps4 runs the games they play just fine.
The biggest reason is the wide range and variety of games with a huge library of PS4 videogames that players and gamers prefer to play it on old gen as well as because of the price and total cost of the PS5 still relatively high even though it decreased in price with all the bundles. Many enjoy all the PS4 exclusives especially to play it on their PS4 console and experience it on the old school system is also a passion to play.
I still play PS3/4 and vita, could imagine a good population of PS4 players may just hold out for PS6, presumably it will be back compat for ps4 and 5 so be the worthwhile option
thats my line of thinking but honestly the only way i would get a PS5 is if my PS4 dies or disc drive stop working. and if PS6 is digital only then PS6 is a hard pass i'll go PC if i want digital for my games. at least i get a wide variey of deals and many more games thats on PC consoles do not get.
@@NewjerseyFan I think it would be foolish to go disc only for PS6 still plenty of players playing PS5/4 discs. I'm a committed physical media fan so if PS6 was digital only I wouldn't go near it until I've cleared my backlog...and by then I might be too old to game :D
If the PS5 was such a little improvement to the PS4, what makes you think anyone will bother buying a PS6? It will be the same thing just with tweaked performance and hardware… at that point, most people would just stay on PS5 or get a PC… Trust me, we are gonna be on PS5 for the next 8-10 years, there is nothing else to upgrade, games have beautiful graphics now and have been running very smoothly on PS5 to the point where if you want a dramatic change, you won’t see it happen on PS6, people would rather just buy a PC for that dramatic change in performance and graphics…
What people don't seem to account for is the fact that while it may have a similar install base to the PS4 of a similar time period, by the same time through a cycle the PS4's price had decreased. Whereas the PS5's has not decreased by much if at all. That will definitely play a huge part in what will happen from here. Not to mention that a lot of people felt like Sony would continue their trend of releasing high quality games like they did during the PS4 era but have been burned by the lack of effort so they're more hesitant to jump ship on something that just frankly isn't worth the price.
I'm one of those who are still playing PS4. To me it's hard to find a reason to upgrade as I mainly play JRPGs, and pretty much all of them are available on PS4, even the latest titles like Trails of Daybreak or Metaphor Refantazio. I'll definitely get a PS5 when developers like Falcom or Gust have completely moved on to the current generation console. Until then, I'm fine with the PS4.
PS4s are solidly made, hardly break, games are cheaper and forward compatible, some games even have cross gen multiplayer, there's almost no reason to upgrade apart from graphics and like 5 exclusive games. I got a PS5 a year ago and still play PS3 and PC more due to a giant backlog and free online play
“What You Said” I still playing my PS4 Pro console due to financial reasons the same this economy inflation will not leave no time sooner until either they cut the price or they will stop making ps4 games I’ll will transition to the PlayStation 5 console
the shortages destroyed FOMO and cemented the fact people could just get the same games on older platforms. That it went on for an extended period I think is a large part of it. Many people, me included also refuse to pay $70 for a new game because you do not receive the game for that price, only the entry to the game.
@@luismaldonado4989 maybe but wouldn’t be as good of a game as it is on the ps5 I use to say the same thing until I upgraded and believe me there is truly a difference
My personal reason is there's not enough exclusive games I'm interested in, & the rest is multiplatform I can purchase elsewhere. I miss the days of Jak & Daxter & The Older God of War & Ratchet & Clank /Uncharted. That & the console is expensive & I patiently wait on game price drops & sales, their not getting $70 out of me lol A good chance alot of the multiplatform game's will come to Nintendo Switch 2. I'll just wait & buy that instead.😎 I'm still rocking my PS4 Pro & older consoles.
One of the reasons is that Sony fell for the Xbox strategy and made most of its exclusives multi-platform to PC. On PC you can now have Xbox games, PC games and now some PS games. So what's the point in holding a PS5?
Some people on the other hand are saying whats the point of having an Xbox. Four of their exclusives went to PS5, nintendo and pc. It's rumored halo, gears and starfield may be going. Nintendo isn't going to put LOZ on Series X in return, Sony is not going to put Horizon or any of their excĺusives on Series X in return.
I think Sony has gotten too arrogant. The biggest turnoff for me is having to spend at least $80 a year just to play online on games that I’ve already spent $70 or more on that after investing in a $500 console. The biggest problem Sony has is that PC is cheaper now they can’t even make the biggest console strength argument, which has always been value. I can buy a $500 gaming PC that performs per darn close to the PS5 and I don’t have to pay $80 or more a year for multiplayer or cloud saves. Steam is awesome. $80 a year times usually seven years in a generation is a lot of money. I would just rather take that money and put it into a better GPU and cpu. It’s better than just throwing it away to Sony at least I get something tangible.
@@lemming2097 Yeah of course Sony were arrogant at the start of that gen but in the PS3 gen you weren't paying $80 a year just for online (you weren't paying anything as online was free lol), games weren't $70 and by 2009 the slim revision was out for like $300.
@@myweirdsecondchannelwithap9070 No they weren't, games were cheaper then, they were $60. In the UK games were like £40, now they're £55-60, sometimes even £70.
@@ashleythomas4112 yeah the only problems are that: 1) if you factor in inflation you are literally getting 2x better value right now than back then. 2) UK/US prices can't be compared because in the US they are listed without taxes included, making the UK look more expensive when they're the same price.
I think the 4 still has it's uses, but I prefer my PS5. I mainly use it for the small number of games that don't properly function on PS5 (poor Ape Escape 2), and for PS4 games that leave PS Plus (there's a small exploit you can do to get extra time)
So you'd only have a ps5 if it was given to you free... That's a lame excuse. You either can't afford one or you just hate on the fact that you don't have one lol. But I don't blame you, the ps5 is expensive asf
@@plopsan that's your interpretation. My intention is not to shame anyone, but if you interpret my comment as shame then that's your opinion. I'm stating what I think to be true which doesn't necessarily mean it's true. & If you can't afford one that's ok, just say so. I couldn't afford one for a while until I had the opportunity to afford one. I've wanted to get one ever since they were released. That's not a legit reason. You can play 99% of Ps4 library on the Ps5. The ps5 is backwards compatible with ps4 games. You can play virtually all ps4 games on the ps5 via disc or digitally, regardless of ps5 upgraded version or not. But you said "enhanced" so my interpretation is, because there's no enhanced version of the game you want to play, you're going to refuse to upgrade... why choose not to upgrade when you can play the same game on the ps5 when it runs exactly the same as on PS4... Also, a lot of the new games you're going to want to play that are coming out won't be available on ps4, so sooner or later you're going to want/need to upgrade.
Unlock the full backwards compatibility, allow keyboard and mouse, lower the PSN price, make cool games for PS VR and you are 20 mil+ for one year and 15 mil more for GTA VI
So you only play 1st party games? So when games like Stellar Blade Rise of Ronin, and Final Fantasy VII Rebirth come out, you pretend there aren't any games to play? Also, if PlayStation was to buy Arrowhead tomorrow, would you SUDDENLY have another game to play because the parent company owns them? You don't make ANY sense. All you're doing is hurting yourself when you create strange goalposts for yourself.
With the same amount of money I could buy a single PS5 with no games or subscriptions I bought: a used Series S, a Dev mod account for emulation, COD Cold War, Metro Trilogy with every dlc, Subnautica, Elden Ring with Shadow of the Erdtree and I would still have around 200$ of the 450/500$ needed for a PS5 (I wait for sales). I've always preferred Playstation over Xbox and I've been playing videogames since the PS1 days but I realize I no longer am part of their target audience. Every IP I loved from Sony vanished over time in favour of the samey 3rd person story driven action movies with 4k pixels 120whocares and esg interpolation that I'm sick and tired of. The only PS5 game I'm interested in is Ratchet and Clank, but it is also on Steam so I see absolutely no reason to buy the console.
As someone who’s still on PS4 and was initially dying to get my hands on a PS5, I eventually just gave up after the low stock and I went through a period of not playing games for a long time. Not sure wether I was still interested or not, I tried to do other things. I’m back playing games again and even though there’s some games I want to play on PS5, there just isn’t enough for me to go buy one right now. Wether that be the lack of interest in general or just treating gaming as a casual hobby from now? I don’t know. I see a lot of people make a huge deal out of the performance and go as far as making someone feel awful for still being on last gen… which is uncalled for, you can make your point without the hostility. As for ME, I do notice the difference in load times and better frame rate but the moment I boot up a game, I don’t think of any of that. It doesn’t even come to my mind, so it’s not a huge incentive for me to upgrade. I just enjoy my time playing and that’s that.
I definitely think less of the people who ran out to get a ps5 day one. I respect people playing older consoles and older games way more. Keep doing what you're doing dude and good on you for not being a braindead consumer.
Yeh i want to play FFVII: Rebirth but the game itself is expensive on top of the price of a new console. It would be fine if there were other games but there are none. After this long it doesn't look bright. There is talk of ps5 pro but this is madness. It has easily been the most pointless generation. No games except 2-3 exclusives and then a bunch of remakes or games also released on Ps4. It feels like the Ps5 hasn't even got going yet so it just isn't worth the money. Nintendo have been the smartest by realising that just increasing console power every few years is not enough and is actually a dead end because games become so expensive to make it stifles creativity and prevents risk. Developers need to focus on the games and not tech demos.
A RUclipsr said the same thing and broke it down. I agree. This console generation is very boring. The AAA games aren't enticing to buy. It's the same experience that was on PS4.
@@Retro_Gamer_89 I've heard that. I'd like to look into that more. I do applaud Microsoft's backwards compatibility with their latest consoles as well. If sony hadn't made the ps5 backwards compatible with the PS4 i think way less people would have bought the ps5.
PS4 had this feeling I experienced that the PS5 doesn’t. I also experienced it with the PS3. To be honest I don’t know how to explain it and what I mean by “experience”
Why? Because not everybody lives in US where the income is high and video games are cheap, consoles here is more than 3 times the price of the minimum wage of the month, is not really worth the upgrade, there is nothing really special in this gen, is definitelly the weakest console gen ever. For Ps3 we had real next gen stuff and great ips like MGS4, for Ps4 we had Bloodborne and Batman Arkham Knight, but now, the best game on the market is Elden Ring, a crossgen game, there is nothing really worthy or impressive on the Ps5 gen.
I will never upgrade to PS5 for several reasons. First of all the game lineup on PS5 is abysmal. Secondly, the console is flat out UGLY, it literally looks like an internet router. Third it's far too big, even the slim version. Fourth, until Sony finally drops the price on the PS5 to a more affordable price, there is no reason to upgrade especially in this market. and Fifth, the games nowadays are simply too expensive. I can literally buy tons of games on PS4 for a really great price and the graphics still look great on my 4K television. No thanks Sony. I'm sticking with my Xbox One and PS4, and upgrading to PC instead.
Bc when we have games costing $250m+ to develop, eg Cyberpunk, pubs aren't gonna give up the chance of ROI selling to a huge existing user base like the ps4. That's why there are so few next-gen exclusives; there's what... 114m ps4s across the planet contrasted that with 56m ps5s.
Games are getting more demanding and more expensive to make and are costing $70 without their deluxe versions, people will buy less and less games and there will be more and more layoffs. The industry won't be able to sustain itself like that
You'r just gonna play the same games you already play with better performance. I'd suggest you getting a PC if you actually want a PS5 Pro. You can play games from all eras and emulate up to PS3, WiiU and Switch. And play the same games that are being released on PS5 since they're all already on PC too and CHEAPER. I own a PS5 and a Series X, and I feel like empty inside this generation. I couldn't care less about any kind of pro models of any console. Companies can't afford exclusivity in their AAA games nowadays, so, why limiting yourself with a console? You even have better and cheaper VR if you're interested on it.
@DJordydj No sorry I am very invested in playstation with physical games and other things. At this point it would make no sense switching to a other system ignoring what I already have on playstation. Also I waited so long for the Pro. Now quitting would not be very smart as it will be release later this year.
Having not finished watching this video, and at the risk of repeating what Ryan already said, here's my take: During every prior Playstation generation before the PS5, around the midway point in it's lifecycle, the slim version would come out at a significant discount. I know the PS5 "slim" model has gone on sale occasionally for maybe $50-100 less than msrp, but Sony hasn't really budged much from there. I think that has been a big reason for the dropoff lately, at least since the time when PS5's have been easier to find in stores.
I bought my PS4 and unexpectedly a couple months after that they Released a PS4 Pro I was so angry about that, I said to myself when the PS5 is going to release, I wait for the PS5 Pro. That won't happen to me again 😂. But I am struggling to get a 4070 Gaming PC instead 😭.
Let's not forget that it was Sony that raised the price of the PS5 and then "reduced" the price of the console only slightly below the msrp and calling it a major Holiday sale.
1. theres still many games that sales on both ps4 and ps5, thats makes casual gamer feels that they still don't need a ps5. 2. many their main gamers right now on working age, so after they go back home. it's become too tired just to turn on the tv and the console. this is the reason why nintendo switch, steam deck and rog ally, etc become popular. the convience to play in the train, taxi, bus and in your bed without need internet connection is crucial.
I still play my PS3 daily. A bonus with my model of PS3, I can play games from PS1-PS2-PS3. Sure I have a PS4 and a PS5. I care not for any game made in the present day. I prefer discovering games from the past I couldn't play as a lass
I have a gaming PC, PS5, Xbox Series S and the worst thing is the lack of good new games. It's terrible across all platforms. Thankfully we can still play older games.
The real reason why PS4 gamers are not upgraded to the PS5 is the prices of $70 games, Sony double the price on PS+, & here's the killer Sony over charge the digital add ons on the PlayStation store is why Sony is getting a lot of lawsuuts in the UK regions.😮 Sony is doubling down on being the anti consumer friendly business practice.
@@PhillipLemmon ask yourself this question why Xbox player base called out Microsoft for their bad business decision but the PlayStation player base can't do the same thing to called out Sony for their bad business decision. Keep that same energy for all the big 3 companies. I'm a gamer/consumer looking for the best price options to value my gaming experience as whole. Xbox Series, PC Switch & Game Pass have brought more entertainment experience then the PS5. When Sony announced the PS5 pro price if it's $600 to $700 no consumer families will go out & get a PS5 pro for that price increase. It will push those consumer families away to go get a Xbox Series console with Game Pass to play remotely on PC & smart TVs that allowed the Xbox app. Last all the consumer families are not sucking off any big 3 companies to hand them their hard earned money & again time is hard most families can't work 2 or 3 jobs plus making sure their household is way more important then buying a high price PS5 console.
The $70 price tag is a big one for me, $70 six or seven years ago used to get you a special edition of some games now it's $70 just to get in. Just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
@@Negativedemon98do what I do, just wait on sales. I have my own threshold, which is £35 (my friends are similar), anything more than that can wait. What’s the point in paying full whack for broken games as they are on full release these days. May as well wait for the game to get fixed and go on sale before buying. They’re screwing us over with practices, so screw them back. They rely on a psychological approach of people feeling they ‘need to have the latest game’, well the markets changed as they like to remind us, and like this video tells us, people aren’t so bothered about having the latest toy on release anymore.
@@Negativedemon98PS4 games has been selling $80 Canadian games for a long time since the released of the PS4. You’re in the US. $70 isn’t bad and I even paid $120 for RDR2 Ultimate Steelbook Edition along with Tomb Raider 3 $120 Steelbook edition in September 2018. All Canadian dollars. Get used to it bro.
No new games by first party studios and also the price (lowkey i'm cheap) is preventing me from buying one. I'm content with a PS4 for the time being (unless when GTA6 comes out)
GTA 6 is already turning into a disappointment, I'm not okay waiting until this game comes out.. just pissed off and tired of it, kinda got out of games period after the horrible GTA 5 game, and the long wait for GTA 6 haven't spent my money on shxt since GTA 5 and I was so disappointed that I'm not doing it again.
1 - it's super expensive for the difference worth 2 - basically no games and not worth it 3 - i'm still living the ps4 era and not ready to move on and still excited about new ps4 games 4 - the games are ridiculously fucking expensive bro it's just too.much.money.
Reason 1: my favourite online games are still being supported and will likely stay that way for more years Reason 2: my gaming laptop offers better value in the long run.
I got the PS5 because load times and frame rates are important to me, and playing all my ps4 games at those speeds are nice. I find myself playing mostly ps4 games on my ps5 though.
Probably the biggest reason is because of its price. Even after several years now, it's still quite expensive. Not everyone has rich parents, nor a job that pays $50 an hour.
I was late to ps4. Made the mistake of buying a xbox one and there are so many amazing exclusives on ps4 and I simply dont have the time like I used to for gaming
EA Sports, CoD, and Rockstar haven’t made next gen only games yet, that’s why. Once those games get next gen only versions, PS4 owners (especially in Europe, the only major territory where PS5 is behind PS4) will upgrade to PS5. That, and no price cut yet is the other big reason.
I think it’s one of the many reasons is because there isn’t a big enough leap in difference from one generation to the next this time around for the average person. And then when everything’s more expensive, you tend to cut off things that aren’t necessarily needed. Who wants to fork out on a new piece of hardware and then again on games that aren’t that different to what they already have on ps4.
PS2, PS3 and PS4 Pro owner here. Why didn't I make the jump to PS5? Well different reasons: - It's dry - still way too expensive, after 4 years - the PS5 Pro will be apparently digital only - games are more expensive - barely any Exclusives, due to Sony shutting down 9 of it's own Studios in the last 15 years and killing off dozens of beloved Games, Franchises, entire Genres and hidden Gems. - bending the knee to the woke Community and infest Games with SBI/DEI because they want that high ESG Score and that sweet sweet Blackrock Money. - Most Exclusives left are your run off the mill, open world / semi open world, interactive Movie like, 3rd Person Action Adventures with stealth and/or QTE and/or RPG Elements. - Censorship of Games (especially JRPGs and don't forget DMC V) - new ToS allows them to record and spy on your Game/Group Chat. - too much focus on Live Service trash and Niche VR. - barely any backwards compatibility - still wants to be payed for accessing online Gaming, even tho you are already paying your ISP for that. - still denies modding with external assets - most PS5 Games will be on PC anyway
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Still feel like we're living in the PS4 era.
How many PS5 exclusives did they really have, and how many were must have console sellers? Not enough. Xbox 360 had the best launch for titles; no one has ever had a better launch since... except for backwards compatible devices.
@@grapesofhypocrisy9842 while the 360 had a really good launch the ps3 killed it basically near the end
We are, this is the. corniest generation of gaming I ever seen
@@ItsjustBlackJackhere Disagree... Xbox killed themselves at that point starting to ramp up the greed on the way to the tragic xbox 1 launch. They made all multiplayer games paid to play online monthly... which was not mentioned until they forced it on players(ruining launch titles like Shadowrun)... then a bunch of games were cancelled for online support and servers(online only games)... even though they were still selling the games in stores... ie. ChromeHounds etc
Because the PS5 era hasn’t done anything
Xbox straight up didn’t even release a new console this gen
The fact that we are still calling PS4 current gen and PS5 next gen is the reason why PS4 is still so active.
Nobody does that tho
@@frogfarmer3551most people do because most people still have ps4 and it’s only natural for them to say current gen because that’s what they have currently and all the ps5 games are also on ps4
@@letsgobrandon1906 maybe YOU have a PS4 and call it current gen... Seems more like cope
@@frogfarmer3551 I have a PS5 and for me its next gen
my reply to you is referring to all these other commenters in here, but I can’t help myself. I am on PlayStation five, but this man made a valid point on his comment which is lots of people refer to the PS4 as current GEN. Lots of people at least many people I know even though I suggest everybody upgrades to a five anyway.
Here's the harsh reality.
This economy is horrible and inflation is steep this time around. The essential needs have become extremely expensive. The gaming industry isn't immune to this and our purchasing power as a whole has declined. As much as we're all gamers and love to play, it's not a necessity when times are rough and you need a roof over your head, food to eat, and have bills to pay. People are cutting back on things they don't absolutely need because they have to. This on top of not hanging a more enticing exclusive line up and boom, no upgrade.
What You Said I still play and owned my PS4 Pro console due to financial reasons the same time this economy inflation will not leave no time soon until either they cut the price or they will stop making ps4 games that’s when start transitioning to the PlayStation 5 console.
This rlly should be the top comment bc this is the reality.
This is why I went with Xbox this time around.
Game Pass is a financial life saver for gamers.
It’s as if working harder doesn’t actually leads to a better life anymore.
Also PS5 are barely now available in stores when they weren't for the longest time. There's no significant price drop for ps5. Switch and PS4 are still getting modern games. The jump from 4 to 5 isn't really significant. I have zero insensitive to buy an overpriced console when Switch and PS4 are still getting modern releases
I can give a couple reasons,
1- the lack of games hurt it.
2- its very expensive still even after 4 years
3-paying for online services
4-pc exists.
(Also the 8th gen console is boring, that includes xbox too)
This
For me back in 2021 it was either a pc or ps5. For 1 I needed a pc (Laptop was experiencing a fatal issue), I already had a ps4 and a pc was more powerful and versatile. The cost of either made it a significant investment not like a cheap £200 ps4 so it was quite the easy choice.
@@thsxi and also people say computers are expensive but i have 5 computers and most of them are dumpster dives and then you buy the separate parts to upgrade the board, made a pc with a 4790k,240mm AIO that I found in the trash that was working perfectly,gtx 970 I found on ebay ,16gb of ddr3 and a 1tb ssd I bought from WD directly, it cost me 200 cad in total
@@thsxi yt deleted my comment so imma post it again, I own several computers and most of them are found in a dumpster, made one with a 4790k,gtx 970,240mm aio,16gb of ram,1tb ssd. The 2 things I bought new was the ssd and power supply, the ram was bought off ebay and the rest was dumpster finds near a tech place throwing stuff out. You could argue I could have also bought the ssd used and the psu and I could agree with the ssd but the psu is a big no
400-500$ is expensive after 4 years? The ps4 was 400$ when it was first released back in 2013. You guys had almost 4 years to save money and wait for the prices to go back to normal after all the scalping. Now all of a sudden 400-500$ is expensive? You and everyone else must really suck at saving money dude
I’m still logging on PS3, so what.
Based
I still play Tekken 3/5 on PSP
I'm playing fallout 3
It's easy to see why. Sony doesn't make it an incentive for gamers to switch to PS4. First of all, the games for PS4 online are always on sale. Second, the price of PS5 games are expensive and they are riddled with micro transactions. Third, PS4 has a huge library that many haven't dipped into yet which brings to the fourth reason. It's cheaper to get a PS4 and play PS4 games. PS4 is a well built console. The only reason to get a PS5 is if your PS4 breaks down. That's it really
PS3 is better than PS4
PS4 slim owner here: The price still hasn't gone down yet despite the slim revision. We typically see a price reduction after several years + free game bundles but 4 years in, the price only seems to creep up. 😠
You don't need to specify the slim bit
@unicorntomboy9736 I kinda do since I'll usually wait for the slim revision before upgrading. I should have mentioned it in my comments earlier.
@@ShamirQushairi Who cares, it's not necessary
@@ShamirQushairi As a Ps4 Slim owner I agree. It's generally cheaper than the base model making it the better option to buy. But with the Ps5 its the total opposite. What the point of calling it a slim if it's still the priced the same or more expensive than the base model? Pathetic
@@unicorntomboy9736It adds context though. The fact that he has a PS4 slim indicates he waited out the OG PS4 to instead buy a slim PS4 which was cheaper. He hasn't gotten a PS5 phat and likely waited for a size and price reduction for the next slim cycle, which didn't happen. Don't criticize without thinking an extra round first. And even then, criticism is rarely necessary, so there's that too.
Better question yet: why upgrade?
Simply to have "4K Graphics"?
Not good enough.
I'll tell you why for load times imagine waiting 15 to 20 seconds everytime you want to fast travel or enter and exit a building. Ps4 load times are abysmal by comparison, all ps4 games run significantly better on ps5. Only reason people aren't even talking about this is because they haven't experienced how fast the console truly is first hand I can go from a dragon battle in Skyrim straight to a race in need for speed or to a match in Mortal Kombat almost instantly. Graphics and exclusives are the last things I cared about when upgrading
@@pieck5460ok i'll spend 500$ to fast travel faster. 🤣
@@yancopec1565frfr. And does bro not realize a SSD is what gives the PS5 it's fast loading times.
@@JeremiahJames246exactly 🤣 and you can put a 2.5 SSD in the PS4 it's not PS5 fast but easily double the speed of the hdd
@@xxNerv Pieck5460 has been quiet since you dropped that comment🥶🥶
PS5 is literally “let’s remaster everything” the console.
Until we get a Last of Us 3 or a proper sequel to Uncharted 4, I won’t be buying a Ps5
My PS4 still going strong since 2013 💪🏼
How loud is it?
@ballinn0430 I've never had that problem with the console....only a few games that would cause the fan to go into overdive....mw 2019 was one of them I remember but it's usually pretty quiet
Mine too. The PS4 is a great system and my backlog should keep me occupied still for awhile.
@LoverofTruth1 I agree 👍🏻 my ps4 still has a lot of life left in it which is why I haven't felt the need to upgrade to a ps5, plus the ps5 is still very expensive even today, I also have over 200 playstation plus games in my library that I still haven't played yet lol
My Original PS4 is still going strong since 2015!!!
"Because....... I'm all out of MONEYYY" - Squidward circa 2008
Poor squiddy still struggling cause the PS3 Launch day
@@denist.8058 Yeah we mocked the PS3 for how expensive it was on launch day, but it still offers better value than a PS4 or PS5. At this point in the PS3's life (3-4 years in) it was getting a Slim model and yet another price cut.
@@garydiamondguitarist dog the PS3 absolutely deserved to be mocked for that crazy launch price. $500 USD in 2006 is fkin $800 today
@@kingdeedee I'm not a dog, "bro". People mocked it but it came with a hard drive either 20GB or 60GB as standard, the CECHA model had WiFi as standard, both had Blu-ray disc players as standard at a time when a standalone player was more expensive than a PS3, plus full compatibility with every previous generation game from the discs you already owned. Basically all things the Xbox 360 didn't without buying upgrades and (or never got, like Blu-ray), it had from new.
People might have disagreed with the price but this still offers more features compared to consoles today - the PS5 can't even play CDs, for example. PS3 was the last PlayStation to be able to do that. There's a reason the original PS3s are still worth a lot used today.
Xbox 360 usually had the best cross platform titles though. I'd always use the 360 for stuff like that over the PS3.
@@garydiamondguitarist “dog” isn’t meant to be offensive but no problem if you don’t like it bro
Regardless, the PS3 launch was a mess and acting like it was such a great value compared to the PS5 based on a bunch of deprecated features no one cares about anymore is ridiculous. You might as well also bring up the PS3’s CF and memory stick slots while you’re at it seeing as the PS5 also doesn’t have those. There are LOADS of cheap CD players out there if you want one so bad.
The blu ray thing is sort of valid, based on the hype around blu ray at the time but that was already the PS2’s biggest party trick and that launched for $299 USD ($544 today). Plus the PS3’s weird cell architecture is one of the biggest reasons PS5 backward compatibility is so up and down in the first place. It severely handicapped the PS3’s market performance back then and it’s still handicapping the PS4 and 5 today.
I’m with you on the 360 though, it was definitely the better all around place to play most games, again partly thanks to some games being unavailable/delayed/worse on PS3 due to the cell chip, but also since the 360 laid the groundwork for a modern social gaming network.
Because the PS5 as of this moment just feels like an upgraded ps4 with like 7 extra games
@@plopsanI would hope so
Load times on ps4 are abysmal they don't even come close to the ps5, can't even imagine playing a game like skyrim on the ps4 where it takes 10 to 20 seconds if not more to fast travel or enter and exit buildings while on the ps5 it's like 2 to 3 seconds max and you can load into the world automatically by using the activity card to skip menus without pressing any extra buttons. Can go from a dragon battle straight into a race in need for speed or a fight in MK in mere seconds
@pieck5460 Load times are a non issue. We've been playing games like that since the 90s bro.'Faster' load times are just a gimmick. The truth is all the great games are still on ps4. 4yrs on not enough exclusives. The current gen sucks
And the best games that are well made kept the load screens to a minimum to ensure we as players stay immersed in the game, its mostly the shitty games that need to brute force their load times with the hardware so it isnt unplayable
@@gamzaify as 30 year old gamer the fast load screens got me back into gaming again, i love my ps5 (:
At this point I think PS4 players should just wait for the PS5 pro or PS6 if they’re planning on upgrading
Bought my very first PS4 pro and PS3 super slim last week. Unless there is a PS5 pro in the shelves by the time GTA 6 releases, I'm waiting for PS6 altogether.
today i would say the ps4 owners wait for ps6 insteat of ps5 pro, 700 dollars without a disc dive and no stance, and in euros 800 without it, plus disc drive plus stands you must pay 950 euros for the ps5 pro so i say nope they won`t upgrade too ps5 pro and never will.
They never did a good Black Friday deal. I got my 1TB Slim PS4 on Black Friday for $199 with a bonus $50 gift card. Sony being too greedy. Consoles are supposed to be sold at a loss, to increase the install base to sell the games. That's the business model.
The fun part is that PS4 wasn't even being sold at a loss. It was sold at a loss back in 2013ish for 6 months and then Sony would make profit on each console sold.
Yep Sony is making a profit on the PS5 hardware. I remember the PS4 slim 500gb w/ Spider-Man for $299 sold gangbusters
I forgot about that people have stopped going to black Fridays because of inflation. No joke they would lie and put the same price pretending it was at a lower price or it wouldn't be super low compared to previous black Friday deals
It doesn't have to be the model, that's just the way Sony and Microsoft play it. Nintendo never loses money on the Console, even if it's a failure like the Wii U or Gamecube.
Dude if you make a product charge whatever you want
Still playing on PS3, PS4, PS4 Pro
Nice, alyways happy to hear that im not the only one 👌
Still playing on PS2 & PS1.
Poor.
@@hpickettz34 owning 3 consoles is poor?
@@hpickettz34 na just smart
What’s the hold up? This economy, brother.
Man I’m stuck with an old laptop, pair of headphones, phone and a gaming pc. I don’t see me upgrading them ever. Till they die lol
Wanted a PS5 when it came out, couldn't get it for like 2 years due to shortages, realised during that time the PS4 still served me well and most games still get released on it, so didn't bother throwing down 500+ bucks after that
Same after realizing I cannot get one, did not need one.
Like with the PS4, I was going to wait about 18 months before jumping in to the new gen cycle. But then I saw all those 'fast loading' videos and thought that alone was worth the jump. What I didn't realize is for fast loading to work, a game had to be made with that in mind and be a PS5 version. My PS4 games loaded the same on PS5. They maybe a little faster, but 10 seconds or something off a minute loading isn't that noticeable, really.
The only big difference I noticed between the two systems is the UI is fast and I could multitask (like edit a video and upload it while I was still in a game session.
You say that but you literally can't play a large chunk of the goty nominees from last year
You ain't playing Baldur's Gate III on no PS4
You ain't playing no Alan Wake II on no PS4
You ain't playing no Spider-Man 2 on no PS4
And from this year ALONE:
You ain't playing no Helldivers II on no PS4
You ain't playing no Final Fantasy VII Rebirth on no PS4
You ain't playing no Stellar Blade on no PS4
You ain't playing no Rise of the Ronin on no PS4
I can go on and on:
No Ratchet and Clank A Rift Apart, No Demon's Souls, No Final Fantasy XVI, I can go on forever, but I don't want this comment to become a novel lol
You only got 3 goty crossgen titles early on and you're like "aw man I can play PS4 forever!" LOL!
And whatever is still coming to PS4, you are still stuck at 30fps...
@@CoS-ci5gd Only Rebirth, Ronin and Stellar are good enough to warrant a PS5 tho
How tf do u still play on 30fps though lol
You’d say that it’s not a big deal for you but the moment you try playing with higher fps you won’t be able to come back, I understand why pc players usually laugh at console users.
because the console is still expensive, it hasn't dropped 1 dollar in price, It has increased with 250 dollars here in Norway, from 499 bucks in 2020, and now its 750 bucks for a ps5.
Is that USD? In the USA we are taxed at point of sale so we pay more than $500 for it too. You have VAT which the manufacturer pays and in order to pass the cost to you they raise the price including having to ship it to you.
Swede here, so I suffer from high electronics prices like you do. I happen to visit Germany quite often and a couple of months ago, the PS5 slim disc version was €460 over there which was 5300 SEK back then. Not super cheap, but a lot less than the 7000+ I usually see in Sweden. Maybe you'll get lucky some day in the future. It was a bulky hassle getting through airport security though, but they didn't stop me in any way 😁
@@robertlawrence9000 Sorry to barge in on your conversation, but I thought VAT was always added on top of whatever sales price the stores show, which is why you guys hate taxes. In Europe, all prices are always VAT et cetera included so we aren't surprised at the point of payment.
I calculated it with the February exchange rate and I got my PS5 slim for $495 USD, €460 or 5285 SEK. As of today, in Sweden you can buy it for SEK 6850, give or take, which is $645 in today's dollar.
@@Henkibojj That's a reasonable price to me compared to the US. It's about that amount before sales tax. We don't have VAT. We only have sales tax. Depending on where someone lives in the US it varies on the amount. So when the PS5 shows the price of $500, that is before sales tax. At the checkout point or at the cash register, they will add the tax. So final price can be $550 plus or minus depending on the state you live in. I've seen anywhere between 6% sales tax all the way to around 16% sales tax.
@@robertlawrence9000 Thanks for your explanation. Always interesting to learn more.
To clarify, that $495 was a one-week only offer, and it's a lot more today ($645 or so).
I rotate between PS3, PS4 & PS5. Every now and again, I play PS1 & PS2 as well.
Same here! I still buy games that peek my interest that I never had the chance to play or own on PsOne, PS2, PS3 & PS4
Me too!
Same
I do the same with my ps3,ps4, and ps5.
@@icarus387 Same here too.
Why does everyone have to upgrade to PS5 if the new releases are going to PS4 it’s not the console everyone’s after it’s the games remember that
Literally this, my most played game, Final Fantasy XIV, is getting Dawntrail on the PS4 and it'll likely be the final expansion released on PS4. Once Dawntrail ends, then I'll upgrade.
Until then, I just see no point since only two games really interest me on PS5 which is Remnant 2 and Helldivers 2. Everything else has been meh to me
Bingo! 👌
exactly i’m waiting on GTA 6 to make the jump
@@NiteLite0So you're spending like £580, just on GTA 6?
@@CohenMoreyeah? i mean its not like all their ps4 games wont work, a big game like that being a console seller is not anything new. halo is the biggest example that comes to mins, people specifically bought xboxs for that game, tgis is nothing new
There’s no games on the ps5, why upgrade?
Did ...you know... you can play PS4 games? Hmm?? Yeah, it works. Some even work better than the base PS4 game. For example, Final Fantasy VII Remake has an upgrade path from PS4 to PS5. I was surprised at how well it worked.
Agreed there ain't new games
So buy an expensive console to play the last consoles games? Are you seriously this dedicated to gobshiting to finally have a fellow ps5 player to play with?@@CarlosXPhone
@@JohnKobaRuddy OK, if you don't care or don't care to understand, then, go somewhere else. I think PS5 is not perfect, but I think as a whole, its a test bed for PS6. I don't think people understand the full picture. PS5 is powerful, but everyone is missing the little stuff. The Backwards Compatible thing in PS5 is the "innovation." The innovation isn't apparent, but the innovation is there. They need to perfect the heating stuff, they did it. They need to perfect the Ray Tracing. They kind-of did, the PS5 pro is gonna be Sony's "ah ha" moment.
But again misunderstand me, I really don't care. I like smart people. You're not.
I say again; PS5 is a powerful system, but we are still in the cross-gen period. Even Black Ops 6 is on PS4. But, PS4 won't run well, its why my brother and I went like, "yeah, its time. We need to upgrade."
I played the MWIII beta on PS4, we saw the texture issues from the get-go.
A lot of younger kids attribute to PS4 both my sons 10 & 6 both have PS4 and it’s a good console
Its simple, im broke
2024: Still charging people to play online.
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Criminal if you ask me.
It’s just a few dollars… 😂
@@pepsienjoyer17 That's not the point.
that's why u go PC gaming. multiplayers free. entry fee is higher than console (if paying for good hardware) but life-cycle is as long as you like since all games are compatible as long as your hardware can play it.
Im gonna save you 10 minutes: it's because it's expensive and has no games
Enough said🎉
I had 2 games on my PS5, now i only have 1 since i traded the other for an Xbox 360 game.
We know
xbox better tho
Chad
1) it's expensive to "upgrade"
2) there hasn't been enough(if any) can't miss PS5 only titles
3) there are lots of great games we still had to catch up with
PS3 backlog is huge for me, as a kid yeah knocked them out nonestop, as an adult life hits and weekends are sorta my free time so yep…. Still enjoying PS3 and PS4 titles.
Same
Same here... PS3 is still going strong with plenty of games
Nice my backlog is around 100 games in PS3 and PS4/PS5(mostly games that have two versions) and I totally agree my PS5 is mostly a quieter system but I have to say transitioning from a PS4 slim to PS5 was an improvement on certain aspects. Right now I'm playing on a PS3 super slim which I got from my cousin for my birthday last February and I'm mostly playing on that rather than the PS5. My yearly Warp up will be fucked because the don't show the PS3 time in it 😅
As an adult, getting a PS5 is worth it for the faster loading alone. You will save a lot more time, especially if you're playing a game where long loading is a punishment for failure (e.g. having to restart a level when going for a perfect run on Crash Bandicoot 4)
I have a PS5 and play it, but I'm currently collecting for PS3 so I play that more now lol.
My PS4 Slim (2019 version) still quiet and runs well whatever intensive game I’m playing.
My 2016 version 😂😂 Boeing ✈️. Shits Loud AF… For some one that cleans it every week (I have no pets I just choose to clean it) it still loud after I repast the thermal, squeaky Clean Fan an heat sink yet loud still oh and clean the power supply for save measure yet still loud😅
What ever I do clean or not little guy loud like Boeing ✈️
My regular PS4 sounds like a jet getting ready for takeoff but still runs well
@@VenomKeenerYT you smoke ?
@@LAGator-qu7tc
No, Shits Bad For Health Overall those that do don’t care two flying shits about their lungs and health. Same as drinking bad for liver and kidneys also ruins relationships..
I have a slim also and damn thing starts taking off well used to i took the shell off drilled holes for some fans now its way quiet idk if its the thermal paste or it all crammed together@@VenomKeenerYT
because it's $800 and games are $120 in Australia, the PS4 was $550 and games were $80
inflation
@@oni2662 inflation is nowhere near THAT BAD
Not if you go to cex in Australia? 🤔
Soy pfp
Goddamn
The PS3 was such a magical era of gaming for me. At that point in time in 2011 the only consoles I’ve had that were actually mine was the DS lite and the Wii (also had the original DS), I feel like my world has been truly opened up. Me and my sister got an original Xbox for Christmas one year, of course I mainly played it but she played The Sims a lot on it too. I remember going home in the car when I got my PS3, it came with Medal of Honor and Uncharted 2 Among Thieves. Which was my first PlayStation first party game I had played. Still to this day the PS3 is so impressive to me because of its catalogue of games, but also I had pictures and music on it as well. Three GTA games, quite a few Transformer games, and who could forget PlayStation Home? I love the PS4 and PS5, but PS3 has the aura to it. It’s not just nostalgia, it’s just an amazing product. I’d love to get another one again one day and play some stuff before the servers go down.
🥂
I actually bought a ps3 AFTER a ps4,
It’s honestly peak (plus free online)
@@EnglishOrthodox I wished I would’ve kept mine. Love my PS5 for sure, and the PS4 was great. The PS3 era though is unmatched
@@brandoncrutchfield2258 honestly I never had one back in the day, so it’s pretty epic being able to play all the epic games in ps3 (RDR1,COD etc.) for little to no money 😎
Because the ps5 is the ps4 pro pro. How many actually exclusive games came out? If someone isnt interested in the better performance then there really isnt a super compelling reason to upgrade.
This won’t age well
@@FezCaliphit’s true though. There’s no real compelling reason to get a ps5.
@@ganymedehedgehog371 again, this won’t age well.
@@FezCaliph What won't age well? If performance really mattered that much to ps4 users they would have gone for a PC lol. The games run fine and there is no real reason to go the ps5. Unless until you wanna play elden ring, which ig is ps5 only.
@@arnabmukherjee4435ninja elden ring is multi platform the hell you actually talking about?
Well clearly next-gen just isn't next-gen enough for most people lmao.
It's not next gen though is it, we're 3 nearly 4 years in so it's current gen. More accurate to say that last gen is enough for most people.
if you have ps4 pro then I dont blame you but I only had a base ps4 so the upgrade was amazing for me
because of ps4. people
The fact that I wouldn't be able to run games like FF7 Rebirth at 60fps without making the graphics worse is why I decided not to get a PS5 tbh.
"What's the real reason people haven't switched to ps5?" "Money!"
I have another reason
Yap
to my is because of the horrible hardware design, futuristic bullshit wannabe, the ugliest console Ive ever seen
@@gamerprophet506 tbh, I thought that too, although it's not much better than the minifridge
@@Mundwasser Although there are even less reasons (aka games) to own an Xbox this generation, the design of the mini-fridge is way better.
PS5 doesn't have the kind of exclusives to justify a $500 console and $70 games in this economy, raising PS+ prices is just driving more online gamers to PC as can clearly be seen with Helldivers II for example, and supply issues from the pandemic have basically killed its sales momentum. Obviously Microsoft's not doing much better either this whole console generation is struggling and it's not hard to see why. This might be the weakest console lineup we've had since the days of the Atari 5200.
If GTAVI somehow ends-up being disappointing or subpar in some way to the point that it impacts sales (unlikely but not outside the realm of possibility given Rockstar's increasing cynicism, greed, and hostile, antagonistic attitude towards fans) then it'll be safe to say at that point that this entire generation is a failure and the next one will need to be a drastic pivot towards what consumers actually want instead of this dystopian Hellscape of live service penny-pinching, stick-drifting, and digital-only anti-preservation.
PS4 in the same life-span justified its worth?
@@ValMeri417 Just barely. It finally started getting some worthwhile exclusives by around 2017 but many of its issues were tolerated simply because Xbox wasn't a good alternative and the economy was stronger at the time. Games and hardware also weren't as expensive.
Games are getting more demanding and more expensive to make and are costing $70 without their deluxe versions, people will buy less and less games and there will be more and more layoffs. The industry won't be able to sustain itself like that
@@randyrrs7028and it’s all because, many times nowadays, the games aren’t worth it.
@@randyrrs7028Iwata predicted this in 2004. when consoles become more powerful, the time to develop a game becomes longer. Thats why nintendo focuses on gameplay instead of hardware
Too many games to play still on PS4
Too many bro ! this is why ive been buying physical copies of games since 2014
I have a PS5 and play both PS5 games and PS4 games on it. I just don't use my PS5 as much as older consoles like the PS2, PS3, and the Xbox 360.
The real reasons there are so many people who can afford to upgrade from PS4 to the PS5 but are refusing to do so is because the PS5 has a very miniscule library of exclusives just for that particular console and the fact most of the popular titles only for PlayStation also have a PS4 version and/or ports to the PC does nothing but convince many PlayStation users who still have their PS4 and still won't upgrade consoles that upgrading from the PS4 to the PS5 is a pointless waste of money.
Cause that PS4 still runs games fine.
At 30fps...
@@victory7763Some people don’t care about high framerates, they just want to play video games.
@@victory7763 Still playable though for 11 year old console who still gets some support with new games and can be bought under 100 euros IF you're lucky enough.
Cod runs awful
@@victory7763 this "argument" is a funny cope. Funny PS4 runs just fine as a matter of fact PS3 runs just fine. And there's games fun games. Yeah PS5 may be superior with frame rates and graphics but how far is that going to get you without engaging fun games?????
I am still on PS4. Why? Almost no games that are current-gen that I want to play, but more important, this generation consoles are too.much expensive.
How is 450 for a console expensive now adays. People spend more on tvs,earbuds,sound systems,etc . People had 4 years to save up yet still say its to expensive like ps4 when it launched was 400
@@carljordan5429 if the ps5 was on special for $300 you would not hesitate to buy it. $400 is actually very cheap, well from my point of view lol, in Australia the ps5 is from $680 to $800. If Australia was selling it for $400 everyone who can afford it would be buying one lol. What country are you from & what's the exchange rate? Cause $400 for a ps5 is too good to be true. So you're either lying or it's a scam
@@TheNamesBondJamesBondJames The discless model is $450 in the states, which is a terrible deal considering you can get used PS5 games for $10-20
It's really not expensive at all. What? $500 I spend that on micro transactions every month
broke boi
Here in Brazil, the PS5 is still considerably expensive and unfortunately there was no price cut like the PS4 after the launch of the PS4 Slim and PS4 Pro, many people (including my brother) are on the PS4 and do not intend to migrate to a new console right now.
In more developed countries, I think there are some other reasons that contribute to this, such as the pandemic that left several people (and countries) in complicated situations, mainly financial, we still don't have many "next-gen only" games that prove to be "mind blowing" and honestly, apart from just 3 exceptions, the "next-gen only" games that I've seen so far don't seem that impressive to me to the point of wanting a new console just for that.
Hi travel to UK and buy one here it's a lot cheaper then Brazil for the same ps5
@@SuddenGamesthe plane ticket costs more than the console
Cuz I haven’t had anything that wowed me on the same level sa Bloodborne, The Witcher 3, RDR2, uncharted 4, GOW 2018, MHW
Games that were not just graphical powerhouses but actually pushed the medium to the next level
Cost of living is going up, wages are stagnating so people don’t have disposable income to spend on a game console when they’re more worried about whether or not they can pay rent or not.
Not a huge mystery, base PS4 was $299 at this point, PS5 has gone up in price as well as the cost of living. Dropping the price will increase sales dramatically I believe
Many are on PC now (PS4 users)
Yeah I was a die hard PlayStation player but once covid and PS5 came out and nobody could buy one and still no games are available on PS5 and PC can run games at double the fps so why not just suck it up and switch
@@Notlaxzsame. Even built it in a smallish 17L case so its not even that much larger than the base ps5.
PC > Sony
People are broke/poor. It's really that simple.
And there is no need to upgrade
@@alehlete830 debatable
@@Ruber212it’s not
@jameswende9237 sure it is. Once GTA6 drops and it's next gen only ppl will start buying up PS5's real quick
@@Ruber212Only those who care to play GTA6, I have a ps5 and don't care to get that game as I'm not interested
Because PS5 has… no games. Why spend money on something you’re gonna play the same games on anyway.
Yep, almost every game I play on my ps5 is actually a ps4 game. Feeling like having a ps4 with faster loading sometimes lol
Sony's approach to PS3 backwards compatability is why so many PS3's are still logged on and active.
with a ps3 and ps4 all home console generations of PlayStation are available to me
PS4 is the last golden Sony era.. if people think PS5 is bad PS6 gen will be even worse for games
This generation has been lame, higher price games and service. Very few exclusive I actually enjoy. Too many gaas garbage. Everything tries to nickel and dime you. I had ps5 during lanuch. Last year spiderman, this year Stella. Other than that gamepass on Xbox and pc.
@@krazyd0nut404 ...don't forget... oh wait nevermind, you're right 🤣
@@krazyd0nut404 everything goes up that includes the prices of the video games.
that being said i know i will not be paying 100 200 for the delux editions of games with just some digital gifts.
That’s a damn lie lol you people come up with the most dumb takes, ps4 didn’t have allot exclusives till around 2015-2016 it’s been this way every gen. Around 4 years in is when the heavy hitters start rolling out, then you had the pandemic that slowed development down too. 2025 is gonna be a big year and all these upcoming games aren’t coming to PS4
The PS5 wasn’t even widely available until late 2022, and when it was there weren’t really any PS5 exclusive games. Most games that came out were also on PS4-but most importantly the upgrade is simply quality of life. Games look a little better and load significantly faster but that’s it. The era of big leaps is over, and people just don’t have as much money. Which is the reason why Sony would simply be wasting their time having the PS6 release.
I’m telling you now, I will not be getting the PS6 regardless of what exclusives are on it. If they’re sticking to this 7 year window despite games taking 3 times as long to release then I’m simply skipping the next console.
PS6 Pro would be the definitive next-gen console. PS6 would just be the lite version as our PS5 would be compared to PS5 Pro which should've been THE PS5.
The only exclusive that interests me that isn’t cross platform is Spiderman 2. I’m not buying a new console just for one game. I’m happy with God of War Ragnarok, Horizon 2, Gran Turismo 7 and Sackboy on my PS4.
Yes Horizon 2 and Sackboy are still on my ps4 list of games to buy and play.
I felt scammed buying a PS5. I waited until this year cause it was so difficult to get one. But during that time I moved to PC. Got the PS5 and realized there’s no games. Only ones that I really cared about are GT7 Spiderman 2 and GOW Ragnarok. Everything else I could get on gamepass or steam. Spending 500$ for 3 games doesn’t sit right with me. I’m probably gonna sell it. This gen of consoles is awful.
I would jailbreak it, then sell it for triple the price.
Having depression, anxiety and/or mental health issues. Thus mainting a stable job tends to be mentally taxing and because of such instances, buying luxury items like a PS5 is not in the realm of priorities when bills/other responsiblies also have to be maintained. And because of that, we are stuck on PS4. Not everyone is in this type of situation or is better of and kudos to them. Happy that they are able to maintain themselves like that. Or it's another reason entirely. I'm sure there are other people in this situation and I genuinely hope it all gets better. Time will tell.
Sit down
Really sorry, I hope you can get through this. Having a new console is definitely not a priority, mental health is.
@@jeanolttno it sounds like this person really could use a ps5
The fact PS3 has/had a million users warms my heart 🤗
I love my ps2 and ps3 ps2 has the real mortal kombat games evil dead resurrection TMNT and ps3 has a loooooooooooooooooot of gems that aren’t going to see the light of day on ps5 we were told that we could play ps2 and ps3 and ps4 games on the ps5 bullshit lol
coz most ps4 users play cod/fifa/apex/fortnite. even bo6 is on ps4. its not the $70 price tho because cod still sells even at that price. there just arent enough incentives to get a ps5 for most of the casuals when their ps4 runs the games they play just fine.
also GTA 5 is still getting updates on the PS4 version
Fort runs at 30fps on ps4
@@garbageman1817 its under 50-60.
It’s 60fps on the ps4 pro it runs under 30fps on base ps4 now.
Ps5 is for casuals though.
The biggest reason is the wide range and variety of games with a huge library of PS4 videogames that players and gamers prefer to play it on old gen as well as because of the price and total cost of the PS5 still relatively high even though it decreased in price with all the bundles. Many enjoy all the PS4 exclusives especially to play it on their PS4 console and experience it on the old school system is also a passion to play.
I still play PS3/4 and vita, could imagine a good population of PS4 players may just hold out for PS6, presumably it will be back compat for ps4 and 5 so be the worthwhile option
thats my line of thinking but honestly the only way i would get a PS5 is if my PS4 dies or disc drive stop working. and if PS6 is digital only then PS6 is a hard pass i'll go PC if i want digital for my games. at least i get a wide variey of deals and many more games thats on PC consoles do not get.
@@NewjerseyFan I think it would be foolish to go disc only for PS6 still plenty of players playing PS5/4 discs. I'm a committed physical media fan so if PS6 was digital only I wouldn't go near it until I've cleared my backlog...and by then I might be too old to game :D
If the PS5 was such a little improvement to the PS4, what makes you think anyone will bother buying a PS6? It will be the same thing just with tweaked performance and hardware… at that point, most people would just stay on PS5 or get a PC… Trust me, we are gonna be on PS5 for the next 8-10 years, there is nothing else to upgrade, games have beautiful graphics now and have been running very smoothly on PS5 to the point where if you want a dramatic change, you won’t see it happen on PS6, people would rather just buy a PC for that dramatic change in performance and graphics…
What people don't seem to account for is the fact that while it may have a similar install base to the PS4 of a similar time period, by the same time through a cycle the PS4's price had decreased. Whereas the PS5's has not decreased by much if at all. That will definitely play a huge part in what will happen from here. Not to mention that a lot of people felt like Sony would continue their trend of releasing high quality games like they did during the PS4 era but have been burned by the lack of effort so they're more hesitant to jump ship on something that just frankly isn't worth the price.
I'm one of those who are still playing PS4. To me it's hard to find a reason to upgrade as I mainly play JRPGs, and pretty much all of them are available on PS4, even the latest titles like Trails of Daybreak or Metaphor Refantazio. I'll definitely get a PS5 when developers like Falcom or Gust have completely moved on to the current generation console. Until then, I'm fine with the PS4.
PS4s are solidly made, hardly break, games are cheaper and forward compatible, some games even have cross gen multiplayer, there's almost no reason to upgrade apart from graphics and like 5 exclusive games. I got a PS5 a year ago and still play PS3 and PC more due to a giant backlog and free online play
“What You Said” I still playing my PS4 Pro console due to financial reasons the same this economy inflation will not leave no time sooner until either they cut the price or they will stop making ps4 games I’ll will transition to the PlayStation 5 console
I think this’ll change drastically once gta 6 drops
the shortages destroyed FOMO and cemented the fact people could just get the same games on older platforms. That it went on for an extended period I think is a large part of it. Many people, me included also refuse to pay $70 for a new game because you do not receive the game for that price, only the entry to the game.
Definitely due to how mediocre it is compared to previous console generations. All that “power” with barely any games utilizing it.
But that's not the CONSOLES fault, it's the DEVELOPERS making the games....
@@PhillipLemmonAre you sure? There's a lot of people overjoyed about a PS5 "Pro" model.
They have 660 games
@@taym510Oakyea but more than 80% of those can probably run on a PS4 no problem.
@@luismaldonado4989 maybe but wouldn’t be as good of a game as it is on the ps5 I use to say the same thing until I upgraded and believe me there is truly a difference
My personal reason is there's not enough exclusive games I'm interested in, & the rest is multiplatform I can purchase elsewhere. I miss the days of Jak & Daxter & The Older God of War & Ratchet & Clank /Uncharted.
That & the console is expensive & I patiently wait on game price drops & sales, their not getting $70 out of me lol
A good chance alot of the multiplatform game's will come to Nintendo Switch 2. I'll just wait & buy that instead.😎
I'm still rocking my PS4 Pro & older consoles.
One of the reasons is that Sony fell for the Xbox strategy and made most of its exclusives multi-platform to PC. On PC you can now have Xbox games, PC games and now some PS games. So what's the point in holding a PS5?
@@KepleroGT I know right? lol Times we live in 🙌🏻
So true
@@coreywilson7326 Yes 🤝🏻😁
Some people on the other hand are saying whats the point of having an Xbox. Four of their exclusives went to PS5, nintendo and pc. It's rumored halo, gears and starfield may be going. Nintendo isn't going to put LOZ on Series X in return, Sony is not going to put Horizon or any of their excĺusives on Series X in return.
Cause we can’t afford one
And even if you could, there was a window where you just couldn’t get one.
Also no games
I think Sony has gotten too arrogant. The biggest turnoff for me is having to spend at least $80 a year just to play online on games that I’ve already spent $70 or more on that after investing in a $500 console. The biggest problem Sony has is that PC is cheaper now they can’t even make the biggest console strength argument, which has always been value. I can buy a $500 gaming PC that performs per darn close to the PS5 and I don’t have to pay $80 or more a year for multiplayer or cloud saves. Steam is awesome. $80 a year times usually seven years in a generation is a lot of money. I would just rather take that money and put it into a better GPU and cpu. It’s better than just throwing it away to Sony at least I get something tangible.
You should've been around for PS3 🤣
@@lemming2097 Yeah of course Sony were arrogant at the start of that gen but in the PS3 gen you weren't paying $80 a year just for online (you weren't paying anything as online was free lol), games weren't $70 and by 2009 the slim revision was out for like $300.
@@ashleythomas4112yeah games weren't $70 they were more expensive
@@myweirdsecondchannelwithap9070 No they weren't, games were cheaper then, they were $60. In the UK games were like £40, now they're £55-60, sometimes even £70.
@@ashleythomas4112 yeah the only problems are that:
1) if you factor in inflation you are literally getting 2x better value right now than back then.
2) UK/US prices can't be compared because in the US they are listed without taxes included, making the UK look more expensive when they're the same price.
No real reason to upgrade to the PS5 yet. If I didn’t win mine in a raffle I wouldn’t have one
I think the 4 still has it's uses, but I prefer my PS5. I mainly use it for the small number of games that don't properly function on PS5 (poor Ape Escape 2), and for PS4 games that leave PS Plus (there's a small exploit you can do to get extra time)
So you'd only have a ps5 if it was given to you free... That's a lame excuse. You either can't afford one or you just hate on the fact that you don't have one lol. But I don't blame you, the ps5 is expensive asf
@@TheNamesBondJamesBondJamesit’s a pretty valid excuse
@@plopsan that's your interpretation. My intention is not to shame anyone, but if you interpret my comment as shame then that's your opinion. I'm stating what I think to be true which doesn't necessarily mean it's true. & If you can't afford one that's ok, just say so. I couldn't afford one for a while until I had the opportunity to afford one. I've wanted to get one ever since they were released.
That's not a legit reason. You can play 99% of Ps4 library on the Ps5. The ps5 is backwards compatible with ps4 games. You can play virtually all ps4 games on the ps5 via disc or digitally, regardless of ps5 upgraded version or not. But you said "enhanced" so my interpretation is, because there's no enhanced version of the game you want to play, you're going to refuse to upgrade... why choose not to upgrade when you can play the same game on the ps5 when it runs exactly the same as on PS4...
Also, a lot of the new games you're going to want to play that are coming out won't be available on ps4, so sooner or later you're going to want/need to upgrade.
@@ronweasley4767 no, it's not valid. It's lame lol
Unlock the full backwards compatibility, allow keyboard and mouse, lower the PSN price, make cool games for PS VR and you are 20 mil+ for one year and 15 mil more for GTA VI
Console prices are two much expensive thats why most of the players can't afford it
Games games games that’s why
imagine owning xbox, it must be bad for them poor souls
So you only play 1st party games? So when games like Stellar Blade Rise of Ronin, and Final Fantasy VII Rebirth come out, you pretend there aren't any games to play?
Also, if PlayStation was to buy Arrowhead tomorrow, would you SUDDENLY have another game to play because the parent company owns them?
You don't make ANY sense. All you're doing is hurting yourself when you create strange goalposts for yourself.
@@daysgone2997??? I'm talking about PS5 vs PS4 what are you on about? Can you read?
@@CoS-ci5gd you don't mention ps4 can you type??
@@CoS-ci5gd what are you smoking? when i diss xbox its a good reason cos muppets are spending hundreds and getting 1 game a year, none this year btw
With the same amount of money I could buy a single PS5 with no games or subscriptions I bought: a used Series S, a Dev mod account for emulation, COD Cold War, Metro Trilogy with every dlc, Subnautica, Elden Ring with Shadow of the Erdtree and I would still have around 200$ of the 450/500$ needed for a PS5 (I wait for sales).
I've always preferred Playstation over Xbox and I've been playing videogames since the PS1 days but I realize I no longer am part of their target audience. Every IP I loved from Sony vanished over time in favour of the samey 3rd person story driven action movies with 4k pixels 120whocares and esg interpolation that I'm sick and tired of.
The only PS5 game I'm interested in is Ratchet and Clank, but it is also on Steam so I see absolutely no reason to buy the console.
It doesnt feel like we moved from the ps4 era. Barely any games feel next gen
Only reason i upgraded was for the low fan sound ngl 😅
People seriously don't talk about that nearly enough
@@cosmosofinfinityAbout having a loud ps4 due to the dust built up inside of it?
As someone who’s still on PS4 and was initially dying to get my hands on a PS5, I eventually just gave up after the low stock and I went through a period of not playing games for a long time. Not sure wether I was still interested or not, I tried to do other things. I’m back playing games again and even though there’s some games I want to play on PS5, there just isn’t enough for me to go buy one right now. Wether that be the lack of interest in general or just treating gaming as a casual hobby from now? I don’t know.
I see a lot of people make a huge deal out of the performance and go as far as making someone feel awful for still being on last gen… which is uncalled for, you can make your point without the hostility. As for ME, I do notice the difference in load times and better frame rate but the moment I boot up a game, I don’t think of any of that. It doesn’t even come to my mind, so it’s not a huge incentive for me to upgrade. I just enjoy my time playing and that’s that.
you’re 100% right michael.
Well said my friend
I definitely think less of the people who ran out to get a ps5 day one. I respect people playing older consoles and older games way more. Keep doing what you're doing dude and good on you for not being a braindead consumer.
Yeh i want to play FFVII: Rebirth but the game itself is expensive on top of the price of a new console. It would be fine if there were other games but there are none. After this long it doesn't look bright. There is talk of ps5 pro but this is madness. It has easily been the most pointless generation. No games except 2-3 exclusives and then a bunch of remakes or games also released on Ps4. It feels like the Ps5 hasn't even got going yet so it just isn't worth the money. Nintendo have been the smartest by realising that just increasing console power every few years is not enough and is actually a dead end because games become so expensive to make it stifles creativity and prevents risk. Developers need to focus on the games and not tech demos.
PS4 still feels like PS5 lite with so many games being made for it to this day.
Because this has been the worst console generation ever.
A RUclipsr said the same thing and broke it down. I agree. This console generation is very boring. The AAA games aren't enticing to buy. It's the same experience that was on PS4.
This might be the worst playstation generation ever.
@@jacksonjacob7791It's at least with Xbox Series X/S you can do emulation
@@Retro_Gamer_89 I've heard that. I'd like to look into that more.
I do applaud Microsoft's backwards compatibility with their latest consoles as well.
If sony hadn't made the ps5 backwards compatible with the PS4 i think way less people would have bought the ps5.
check the Sony PS4 games in the same life-span and say it again
PS4 had this feeling I experienced that the PS5 doesn’t. I also experienced it with the PS3. To be honest I don’t know how to explain it and what I mean by “experience”
Why? Because not everybody lives in US where the income is high and video games are cheap, consoles here is more than 3 times the price of the minimum wage of the month, is not really worth the upgrade, there is nothing really special in this gen, is definitelly the weakest console gen ever.
For Ps3 we had real next gen stuff and great ips like MGS4, for Ps4 we had Bloodborne and Batman Arkham Knight, but now, the best game on the market is Elden Ring, a crossgen game, there is nothing really worthy or impressive on the Ps5 gen.
We're not rich. Shocker.
I will never upgrade to PS5 for several reasons. First of all the game lineup on PS5 is abysmal. Secondly, the console is flat out UGLY, it literally looks like an internet router. Third it's far too big, even the slim version. Fourth, until Sony finally drops the price on the PS5 to a more affordable price, there is no reason to upgrade especially in this market. and Fifth, the games nowadays are simply too expensive. I can literally buy tons of games on PS4 for a really great price and the graphics still look great on my 4K television. No thanks Sony. I'm sticking with my Xbox One and PS4, and upgrading to PC instead.
If MLiD is right, and Sony are planning a portable PS4, the platform could be relevant long after the PS5 is finished.
Bc when we have games costing $250m+ to develop, eg Cyberpunk, pubs aren't gonna give up the chance of ROI selling to a huge existing user base like the ps4. That's why there are so few next-gen exclusives; there's what... 114m ps4s across the planet contrasted that with 56m ps5s.
Games are getting more demanding and more expensive to make and are costing $70 without their deluxe versions, people will buy less and less games and there will be more and more layoffs. The industry won't be able to sustain itself like that
Too expensive, no games, all my stuff still runs on PS4, the PS5 is comically massive, I can go on
I want the pro version and I also have enough backlog games till then. Still playing mostly ps3 and ps4.
Same. Been waiting on the pro
You'r just gonna play the same games you already play with better performance. I'd suggest you getting a PC if you actually want a PS5 Pro. You can play games from all eras and emulate up to PS3, WiiU and Switch. And play the same games that are being released on PS5 since they're all already on PC too and CHEAPER.
I own a PS5 and a Series X, and I feel like empty inside this generation. I couldn't care less about any kind of pro models of any console. Companies can't afford exclusivity in their AAA games nowadays, so, why limiting yourself with a console? You even have better and cheaper VR if you're interested on it.
@DJordydj No sorry I am very invested in playstation with physical games and other things. At this point it would make no sense switching to a other system ignoring what I already have on playstation. Also I waited so long for the Pro. Now quitting would not be very smart as it will be release later this year.
@@FranceUnderwood I understand. Maybe PS6 could be the perfect moment then.
Having not finished watching this video, and at the risk of repeating what Ryan already said, here's my take: During every prior Playstation generation before the PS5, around the midway point in it's lifecycle, the slim version would come out at a significant discount. I know the PS5 "slim" model has gone on sale occasionally for maybe $50-100 less than msrp, but Sony hasn't really budged much from there. I think that has been a big reason for the dropoff lately, at least since the time when PS5's have been easier to find in stores.
I bought my PS4 and unexpectedly a couple months after that they Released a PS4 Pro I was so angry about that, I said to myself when the PS5 is going to release, I wait for the PS5 Pro. That won't happen to me again 😂. But I am struggling to get a 4070 Gaming PC instead 😭.
Let's not forget that it was Sony that raised the price of the PS5 and then "reduced" the price of the console only slightly below the msrp and calling it a major Holiday sale.
Still using my PS4. There are no exclusives on PS5 I want besides rebirth. Some of the games I play actually have less bugs on PS4 than PS5 as well.
1. theres still many games that sales on both ps4 and ps5, thats makes casual gamer feels that they still don't need a ps5.
2. many their main gamers right now on working age, so after they go back home. it's become too tired just to turn on the tv and the console. this is the reason why nintendo switch, steam deck and rog ally, etc become popular. the convience to play in the train, taxi, bus and in your bed without need internet connection is crucial.
yup finished so many games on switch during work breaks lol
I still play my PS3 daily. A bonus with my model of PS3, I can play games from PS1-PS2-PS3.
Sure I have a PS4 and a PS5. I care not for any game made in the present day. I prefer discovering games from the past I couldn't play as a lass
I have a gaming PC, PS5, Xbox Series S and the worst thing is the lack of good new games. It's terrible across all platforms. Thankfully we can still play older games.
Because they were PC owners that bought a PlayStation 4 for its exclusives and now don't need to with the PS5. Slow clap for Sony.
Amazing how they didn't see that coming or ignored it
The real reason why PS4 gamers are not upgraded to the PS5 is the prices of $70 games, Sony double the price on PS+, & here's the killer Sony over charge the digital add ons on the PlayStation store is why Sony is getting a lot of lawsuuts in the UK regions.😮 Sony is doubling down on being the anti consumer friendly business practice.
No, the reason is Cuz the MAIN LAUNCH GAMES for the 5 is available for the 4... AND PC..... if you got a rig already... Why bother?!
@@PhillipLemmon ask yourself this question why Xbox player base called out Microsoft for their bad business decision but the PlayStation player base can't do the same thing to called out Sony for their bad business decision. Keep that same energy for all the big 3 companies. I'm a gamer/consumer looking for the best price options to value my gaming experience as whole. Xbox Series, PC Switch & Game Pass have brought more entertainment experience then the PS5. When Sony announced the PS5 pro price if it's $600 to $700 no consumer families will go out & get a PS5 pro for that price increase. It will push those consumer families away to go get a Xbox Series console with Game Pass to play remotely on PC & smart TVs that allowed the Xbox app. Last all the consumer families are not sucking off any big 3 companies to hand them their hard earned money & again time is hard most families can't work 2 or 3 jobs plus making sure their household is way more important then buying a high price PS5 console.
The $70 price tag is a big one for me, $70 six or seven years ago used to get you a special edition of some games now it's $70 just to get in. Just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
@@Negativedemon98do what I do, just wait on sales. I have my own threshold, which is £35 (my friends are similar), anything more than that can wait. What’s the point in paying full whack for broken games as they are on full release these days. May as well wait for the game to get fixed and go on sale before buying. They’re screwing us over with practices, so screw them back. They rely on a psychological approach of people feeling they ‘need to have the latest game’, well the markets changed as they like to remind us, and like this video tells us, people aren’t so bothered about having the latest toy on release anymore.
@@Negativedemon98PS4 games has been selling $80 Canadian games for a long time since the released of the PS4. You’re in the US. $70 isn’t bad and I even paid $120 for RDR2 Ultimate Steelbook Edition along with Tomb Raider 3 $120 Steelbook edition in September 2018. All Canadian dollars.
Get used to it bro.
No new games by first party studios and also the price (lowkey i'm cheap) is preventing me from buying one. I'm content with a PS4 for the time being (unless when GTA6 comes out)
GTA 6 is already turning into a disappointment, I'm not okay waiting until this game comes out.. just pissed off and tired of it, kinda got out of games period after the horrible GTA 5 game, and the long wait for GTA 6 haven't spent my money on shxt since GTA 5 and I was so disappointed that I'm not doing it again.
1 - it's super expensive for the difference worth
2 - basically no games and not worth it
3 - i'm still living the ps4 era and not ready to move on and still excited about new ps4 games
4 - the games are ridiculously fucking expensive bro
it's just too.much.money.
Reason 1: my favourite online games are still being supported and will likely stay that way for more years
Reason 2: my gaming laptop offers better value in the long run.
I got the PS5 because load times and frame rates are important to me, and playing all my ps4 games at those speeds are nice. I find myself playing mostly ps4 games on my ps5 though.
Then why aren’t u on pc? If those things are so important
The Ds4 controller is literally perfect.
Probably the biggest reason is because of its price. Even after several years now, it's still quite expensive. Not everyone has rich parents, nor a job that pays $50 an hour.
I was late to ps4. Made the mistake of buying a xbox one and there are so many amazing exclusives on ps4 and I simply dont have the time like I used to for gaming
EA Sports, CoD, and Rockstar haven’t made next gen only games yet, that’s why.
Once those games get next gen only versions, PS4 owners (especially in Europe, the only major territory where PS5 is behind PS4) will upgrade to PS5.
That, and no price cut yet is the other big reason.
EA PGA Tour is next gen only. One of the strong reasons I got a PS5.
@@ceeeceyeah plus College Football 25 is next gen only.
Maybe because Sony didn’t want make most games backwards compatible. Instead they chose greed and wants to sell you same game you already purchased.
Most PS4 games are playable on the PS5. But I agree that they’re greedy
I think it’s one of the many reasons is because there isn’t a big enough leap in difference from one generation to the next this time around for the average person. And then when everything’s more expensive, you tend to cut off things that aren’t necessarily needed. Who wants to fork out on a new piece of hardware and then again on games that aren’t that different to what they already have on ps4.
PS2, PS3 and PS4 Pro owner here. Why didn't I make the jump to PS5? Well different reasons:
- It's dry
- still way too expensive, after 4 years
- the PS5 Pro will be apparently digital only
- games are more expensive
- barely any Exclusives, due to Sony shutting down 9 of it's own Studios in the last 15 years and killing off dozens of beloved Games, Franchises, entire Genres and hidden Gems.
- bending the knee to the woke Community and infest Games with SBI/DEI because they want that high ESG Score and that sweet sweet Blackrock Money.
- Most Exclusives left are your run off the mill, open world / semi open world, interactive Movie like, 3rd Person Action Adventures with stealth and/or QTE and/or RPG Elements.
- Censorship of Games (especially JRPGs and don't forget DMC V)
- new ToS allows them to record and spy on your Game/Group Chat.
- too much focus on Live Service trash and Niche VR.
- barely any backwards compatibility
- still wants to be payed for accessing online Gaming, even tho you are already paying your ISP for that.
- still denies modding with external assets
- most PS5 Games will be on PC anyway