Plane Lands Too Fast
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- Опубликовано: 29 ноя 2022
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I've been on a flapless landing on a flight from Salt Lake into Seattle. We flew around Seattle for a long time, I assume to burn as much fuel as possible, before the pilot attempted the landing. He informed us what was going on early on, which was an awesome thing to do. On the way down he explained his process and that we weren't at risk of harm (true or not, it helped us). He then told us that there would be some "extra equipment" along the runway when we landed. That was code for "lots of firetrucks and ambulances." We came in FAST. The flaps stayed flat, but we stopped eventually. It was pretty cool. What a wonderful pilot. It's neat to finally see one from outside the aircraft.
I wonder why do flaps fail often compared to all the other effectors of the wings, which if they'd fail would be catastrophic. Oh wait I think I found the answer
As pilots we are trained to conduct flapless landings from very early on in our training. Providing the runway is long enough for such a procedure (which all major airports would likely be), it is not an unsafe procedure at all. Some smaller aircraft that I have flown use the same approach speed both when using flap and not, we just alter the aircraft attitude and power on final to accomodate.
I wonder if your flaps were dirty
Flapless in Seattle......ok.
Your woman is average in your avatar bro.
The stopping ability of that a320 is unreal, anyone who cheated the seat belt rules just got an up close look at the seat in front of them
I flew in an early 737 and the landing at LA international was like hitting a wall. I'm not sure how it stopped so fast without breaking something but I was assured by the people who took me out of the overhead luggage compartments that was normal on dry pavement. I thought the airplane stood on its nose. And the bastards lost my luggage..
@@darrellcook8253 What's going on is that airliners hardly ever use maximum braking on dry pavement, so when they do it really gets one's attention. On an accelerate/stop flight test run of a certification aircraft at the airplane factory, I was *standing* behind the captain so that I could see add-on brake pressure gauges which had been taped to the top of the instument panel. This was a stop using 2000 psi of the 3000 psi brake pressure available (same as the max pressure in your 737 BTW), and even back in my 0% body fat/40 pushup days it was all I could do to stay out of his lap as I held tight to a bar of the instument rack behind me.
Airliners can stop a lot faster than people realize from their everyday flying experience. But day in and day out, no reason to alarm the passengers + wear down the the brake pads and tire tread faster.
Possibly Navy up front.
planes have a "point of no return" speed, anything right up to that, and the brakes are rated for a return to 0. to my understanding, that plane won't go up again until its brakes have been changed out, but they can abort one takeoff.
@@marcmcreynolds2827 Like you said, there's rarely need for maximum braking. It's usually only landings that are way too fast, on particularly short runways, in wet conditions. Never really any need for more than 50% in a normal landing scenario
Flapless, high speed and a soaking wet runway. Respect to the landing pilot 👌
Oh and don’t forget the relatively SMOOTH landing, as well
And still managed to do butter landing. MAD RESPECT
Thank you guys. Flap issues are something we train regularly in Simulators.
@@IIISentorIII I've always wondered if you sometimes practice a random problem in the simulator? Something that you can't mentally prepare for before you step into the simulator.
@@afrinshaikh2339butter landing …something nobody in aviation says
Landing was fast but still managed to butter
Fast landings are often easier to butter than slow ones...Angle of attack is high already, so hardly any flare necessary compared to a slow one.
@@EwigesEis Didn't know that, thank you.
@@EwigesEis its harder as you need to arrest that descent rate while limited pitch because of the speed (tailstrike threat), flaring little will be detrimental to a smooth landing. It's just smooth because it's an a340 which is sometimes called the butter machine as its really easy to butter any landing
@@EwigesEisnot true …. generally the faster you’re going the lower the angle of attack …
@@Amari._. Its also the reason behind the "Ryanair landings are hard" meme. As Ryanair is a low cost airline, they usually fly to secondary airports (cheaper). Those secondary airports have a shorter runway, which means the aircraft as to approach with a lower speed, so, steeper approach.
1:01 you have to realize the sheer power of those Trent 900’s to lift the A380 from what looks like close to landing speed back to full power to abort the landing. Absolutley incredible.
Those are GP7000 but okay
@@mrk5579 HAHAHAHAHAHA
That clip gave me so much anxiety
@@dreeemer it should ease your anxiety about flying because of the experience and wise judgement of these pilots. better to spend an extra 15 min go around or w/e then to try to stick it or crash it.
its a video game not real
1:25 my typical landings in flight simulator
too accurate
The "go around" of the a380 is a touch and go during a Airbus test flight (probably the C.A.F)over the Airbus factory in Hamburg, were the a380 were painted and completed. If you look closely it still have the french registration, and the msn number
amazing that nobody saw that, like you can make it out by the beluga in the background. this channel is losing credibility
@@lgw9331 How long have you been watching this channel? Honest question, I think I remember a lot more misinformation around a year to 8 months ago. Am I mistaken?
Didn’t think that was a pilot deciding to go with a missed approach. He was nowhere near the DA/MA if still on an IFR approach. Besides, is it still considered a go around if your wheels touch? I think not
@@lgw9331 It doesn`t really matter, just enjoy the clips
Its an UAE registration A6…
The flapless landing actually looked smoother than most normal landings.
Which is impressive, but also stupid, as you should go for an hard landing when you are too fast
(Hard landing means you touch ground faster, and thus have more time to break)
No need if the runway is long enough@@no_name4796
@@no_name4796ah, the youtube comments experts.
@@lennylennington it's just common sense: if you have very few space, you shouldn't really care about doing it smoothly. Just put the damn thing down lol.
I don't think i said something innovative or crazy lol
@@no_name4796 thanks for you expertise, armchair pilot.
That a380 pilot has some discipline. I’m guessing he decided to do a go around before his landing gear touched the ground, and he probably wasn’t satisfied with the landing distance he had left. I’m sure many pilots would just try to stick it once they touched down, but he knew he didn’t have enough runway. Great to see!
There’s a RAAS call out where it isn’t an option anymore. “Long landing” you go around.
It's at Airbus facility in Hamburg-Finkenwerder with a French registration. Probably just a Touch & Go for test purposes.
This is a fake from flight Simulator.
Darn bird didn't want to settle down on the ground, I don't blame him.
@@mallejunior1996 my thoughts exactly mate
I very much appreciate the pilots who use sound judgement in making their last second decisions! They are very professional in determining that yes, they are qualified AND in many cases their abilities alone could probably help them adjust to the problem(s) at hand....but they use their common sense in remembering that the Bird, or other extenuating circumstances are also an issue and that they are also responsible for their passengers, and in the long run they do what's best rather than "gamble"! Much Respect! Cheers From The Clouds In Ohio To ALL in this Community!
Bradley Cooper is a talentless hack.
I used to think that gambling would be better but I guess now I know why wasting petrol is a better option.
First landing was stellar. The a380 has impressive thrust wow.
Actually the emirates landing was on purpose. The airport where it was, was the Airbus factory airport in Hamburg Germany and this was a test flight
1:52 experienced this once with TAP Portugal departing from Lissabon to Panama City. What was most worrying was that even the stewards seemed nervous and chattered to each other that they have never witnessed such a late rejected take-off before. Then we taxied back and we all had to sit inside the crowded aircraft for over an hour (you could slice the air) before they decided to let us start again. Quite uncomfortable if you're going on a long-haul transatlantic flight.
Yep I was on the same flight!!
@@yungsnowie3232 you both were on the same flight?
@@yungsnowie3232 that's amazing if you were on the same flight, I doubt it though, it's probably just happened several times.
The unique aspect of that rainbow is that one can see the bottom half of it. Usually the ground blocks that part out. Very cool!
That Alitalia landing at Kai Tak is better than any of my attempts on Flight Sim.
Mine too. I guess it's because they don't have Logitech joysticks :)
Love the md-11 and the 747 on the runway during the landing at kai-tak. The Md-11 (alongside the DC-10) is my favorite aircraft; with the 707, 747, and DC-8 pretty much being tied for second. I can't select one that I like the most, because they all contributed so much to aviation.
good vids today. That A340 landing was flawless
Wow, that Azul pilot really threw the ankers out the back door. Really impressive.
That A-340 probably melted its brakes with that landing speed! Back in the day at KDFW when they arrived at the gate, Lufthansa maintenance would douse the brakes immediately with copious amounts of water. Those runways are not short btw!
How fast was that? 200kt? I'm not an expert
@@danielwalker6653 Prob close. 160 knots (?) or so. Impossible to accurately guess without knowing his weight, field elevation, OAT, status of the rest of the hydraulics, etc, etc. He had one notch of slats, which helped a little. The plane and brakes are fine. It was designed to handle that.
@@lbowsk I found a Sim checklist that says Max wheel speed is 204Kts! Looks like around 140kts is nominal. So yeah, he was movin'
Normally I guess so but on this occasion surely the fact the runway was streaming wet would have served the same purpose and helped significantly in keeping the brakes cool?
Oh yea. I thought the same regarding the brakes. The halo around the airplane shadow pilot's call, "the glory". I've seen that on a single engine airplane I was piloting once. Thanks for putting these videos together.
I think the Pilots should do a post flight/ landing interview...like a sportsman after
performances.
Some excellent flying by the LH crew. High speed and a wet runway. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
that was in Airbus factory Finekenwerder Hamburg, Germany where they do final assembly and test flights...it was a T&G
Nice one! Somebody else THOUGHT that might have been the case but you positively identified the factory/proving ground which makes it almost a certainty it was a touch & go🙂
1:11 maybe the pilot wants to take another trip 😂
He’s going around
Actually the emirates landing was on purpose. The airport where it was, was the Airbus factory airport in Hamburg Germany and this was a test flight
Others have comments the same thing; that Kai Tak landing appears to be a fairly normal "Kai Tak Crosswind" landing. I had the dubious pleasure of flying in and out of Kai Tak in the last 10 years or so before it closed, and I am glad I never saw what those landings look like from OUTSIDE while I was INSIDE the planes, or I might not have continued to plan flights to that airport!
in this particular landing there was not much cross wind, note 1:33 it shows wind funnel, this landing was typical 1980,s Italian pilot training stuff- take as much risk as possible before you finish your shift!
Nothing like landing at Kai Tak, the approach was fantastic
Sometimes it was also "landing next to Kai Tak" tho. 😂
That Kai Tak footage is absolutely goated - love seeing the classics and I love seeing you integrate them into your compilations.
I once flew into and out of Kai Tak on a Cathay L1011 500 Tristar. Wonderful memories.
Amazing that neo stopped so short, good video!
That Azul literally stopped on a dime. 1:52
Kai Tak airport was notorious for being difficult to land in. Many hard landings. The most notable one is a 747-400 almost missing the runway while landing. Very similar to this.
The stop was pretty smooth, but it's more dangerous in the rain w/o flaps. Good job, excellent footage.
The Bus had LE Slats out. That slowed him down a few knots, but not much. A very nice landing in a zero flap condition. Hold your pitch and fly it on to the runway. Then get all over the TRs and binders. The wet runway really added to their distance and butt pucker factor!
The fact that this (awesome) channel always has so much content to post each week is very reassuring regarding the maintenance of aircrafts in the industry lately ...!
plural of aircraft is still aircraft, not aircrafts.
@@arturoeugster7228 Thanks I didn't know 😁
These pilots are extremely talented. It amazement what they go through.
wao, that's the smoothest landing i have ever seen, Lufthansa pilots nailed it
I've been on a plane where they had to take off again a few seconds after "landing." The feeling of the sudden acceleration is insane.
I want to experience this? lol
Happened to me last summer on a flight from JFK to LAX. Teenage girl next to me almost had a panic attack, thinking the plane was about to crash or something haha
@@juanj.arroyo870the teenage girl is just like me XD I always have a heart attack every time the plane moves up and down
That's some professional stuff right there
That Kai Tak landing was fighting a strong crosswind. The windsock is straight out and perpendicular to the runway.
*Parallel, not perpendicular.
@@dr.jamesolack8504 If parallel it would not be a crosswind.
I believe that the cottage is from a ’Just Planes’ video.
Very pro job .Super crew .Congrats and cheers.
Cold pizza and 3 minutes of awesome.
best 3 minutes anywhere
If nothing else these clips show just how skilled pilots really are. For all the tech instruments they use they still have to evaluate a situation and navigate the plane safely to its destination. Real professionals
Loving the retro footage from Kai Tak!
I’m sure many pilots would just try to stick it once they touched down, but he knew he didn’t have enough runway. Great to see!
2:00 Top emergency stop.
Had to make a highspeed emergency landing once in Montreal due to a hydraulic issue on a 747 shortly after departure for London. It was a scary experience but nobody was hurt.
the flapless landing by Lufthansa was better than normal Ryanair landing 😂😂
To me, looks like a really well executed touch & go.
You can't deny that technology is fundamental to improving all things! And with aviation it couldn't be different! A380, A320, A340... represents the evolution of improvements! But for me nothing is more beautiful, pleasurable and exciting to see an MD11. With all the innovations, nothing beats the longevity of the MD11. Noisy, smoky and it is impossible to confuse it. On the other hand, he is also beautiful, strong, majestic and imposing!! I love this little old MD11.
The Emirates A380 was being flown by Airbus pilots, it has a French F-XXXX registration and you can see the airport is XFW (the Hamburg factory airport) not HAM (where Emirates fly). Probably pre delivery testing.
So something apparently everybody has missed is the fact that the A380 has a french registration, indicating that it is still registered to Airbus. Which means that this was probably a test flight, so absolutely nothing out of the ordinary!
...also it's never too late to go around! :)
Even if you're already on a taxiway!
The Halo effect was magical :)
Ayyyy, Frankfurt! Not very far from me and perfect for plane spotting haha
This halo in the last clip is called glory or gloria. A rare phenomenon I was lucky to see twice in my life
Video is 2:42. I feel i have been cheated!!! Hahahahahaha. Keep up the good work, these compilations are awesome.
This is a truly fantastic channel.
2:08: that 'unique' halo effect is pretty common. I had it 2 days ago on my flight!
The halo around the plane's shadow is known as a 'Brocken spectre.' It is more usually seen around the shadow of someone who is standing on high ground, above a layer of cloud; although it is never a full halo because the ground's shadow partially obscures it.
Wondered what that was. Often saw it around the shadow of my autogyro on approach with the sun behind.
Actually, the rainbow is called a 'glory'. Brocken spectre refers to the observer's distorted shadow.
The phenomenon experienced by the plane above the clouds is known as a glory
kai tak was a super dangerous airport between the short runway with the see right after and the building
I absolutely love this channel!! ✈️😆👍
The halo effect was so neat! I've never seen anything like that.
it's called a 'glory'
I've seen it just a couple of times, first time years ago, and again just recently over Bass Strait. I've often wondered if the rainbow-halo isn't the inspiration for the RAF roundel?
The halo around the plane is also called a Brocken Spectre 👌
Every day is a school day !! 👍💯 I’m an airline pilot and I only learned this today …. 😱
wow! this is amazing! I never realized that you could consume 3 Minutes of Aviation in only 2 Minutes and 42 Seconds!
idk whats better the cameraman perfectly pointing to the plane or how only the unlucky landings get recorded
That was a Touch and Go by the A380!!! Cool!!!
God damn that A320 Neo _STOPPED_
Great collection of clips. I would have thought that Halo is caused by the plane that has the observer is in, not the Turkish Airline plane next to it, because the halo is centered about the shadow.
@3 Minutes of Aviation: The Video with the EK A380 was shot at the Airbus facility Airport in Hamburg. So that wasn't an Emirates Pilot, it was a test flight by Airbus!
The MD-11 definitely missed the runway. Not bad considering the conditions. We call the 'halo effect' a Glory.
Or a Brocken Spectre.
Perfect conditions for landing (Emirates). Also, A380 and other Airbus types equiped with Runway Overrun Prevention System (ROPS) as a response to runway overrun events during the landing phase.
It was a test flight, others have mentioned ti.
It is interesting the Air Italia landing in HK was captured. I was walking there after school and saw this happening. Believe me, seeing what happened in real-time was crazy. I was shocked as the plane appeared to deviate and crash and out of a sudden back in control!
I've seen the halo effect on a flight from Honolulu to Hilo, HI. Pretty cool....
ah the old Honolulu 🏝🏝🏝- Hilo halo trick
For the outro, What's the music? Is it a song, or just intro/outro music? :)
That no-flaps landing was loaded with complications! I think most aviation people will know that it's normal to touch down 'positively' on a wet runway to cut through the film of water and get the tyres in contact with the ground as soon as possible (the brakes can only start to work once the wheels are down and turning, so it's actually a bad error to 'grease' a landing on a wet runway).
This one was judged perfectly; the extra speed may even have helped avoid aquaplaning. I know all pilots train for this kind of thing, but it's still good to see real skill in the real world. Nicely done.
The A380's late go-around was brilliant, too. Not just the execution, but the decision itself AND the pilot's determination not to change his or her mind after the wheels touched down.
Again, it's all down to training. If it doesn't feel exactly right, you go around. Always. There are hundreds of lives at stake, and absolutely no blame if the pilot says, 'TOGA'. Every single landing ever made has been unique, and nobody but the pilot at the controls at the time can say what's right or wrong because no other pilot will ever have experienced exactly that combination of forces and circumstances.
A bonus for the spotter taking the video would have been the fantastic sound of the engines slamming back up to full power; I've only experienced it once in person (at Manchester in England); it's a glorious sensation as the bass thunders right down through your chest...
It's a pity that most car drivers lack the ability to make (and stick to) such decisions. Imagine how much safer the roads would be if people drove in traffic and through junctions with the same clarity of thought as an airline pilot. Sadly, many drivers take risks and think, "I'll stop. No, wait - I can do this... I'll push on a bit, a bit more, I can squeeze through, I can get -" BANG!
It all happens in a second but the consequences can last a lifetime.😞
Which is why it's so (comparatively) easy for a 17-year-old to get a driving licence and so hard for commercial airline pilots to get those precious stripes on their sleeves.
Thanks for this video - I really enjoy your channel. 🙂
Elli P - I was taught that when driving, make your decision and commit to it. You are right, it's when drivers are halfway through and they start doubting their decision that everything goes pear-shaped.
The md11 landed perfectly the runway just blew over to the side in the crosswind at the last second
Windsheer probably caused the A380 to hover too far down the runway, by the time he touched he was too far down so he took the safest and most logical option to go around.
Similar happened with an Emirates 777 from memory? But he barely touched and didn't know. Set the go around auto throttle but the gear barely touching had made it so it wouldn't activate. He tried to climb with no thrust and pulled the gear up, she done a very rough belly landing. No fatalities, airframe was lost.
The A380 was just floating too long so went around. If it was windshear they wouldn't have retracted the landing gear so quickly.
Landing without Flaps, that takes talent!
Azul: "Not enough runway left! Better abort."
Aerosucre: "Rookies!"
absolute butter
@ 3 Minutes of Aviation because of this videos and the a380 I'm going back to flight school, just made that decision 2 min ago. Just here to let you know!! Thanks for this video
Actually the emirates landing was on purpose. The airport where it was, was the Airbus factory airport in Hamburg Germany and this was a test flight
"Unique halo effect?" I look for it every time I'm on a flight that climbs through clouds.
I bet the crew of that 747 next to the RWY in Kai Tak had an heart attack seeing this landing(and the Alitalia Crew and ATCs probably too)
1:42 I guess that Azul take off was taken in the same year 1997 as Kai Tak Aiport previous video, based on the quality 😅
so close to 400k!!
Me when I don’t get my chicken nuggets
The A380 footage was shot at the Airbus facility in Hamburg, so this was probably an intentional touch and go during a test flight.
The halo is called a brocken spectre..... Also get them in misty but sunny conditions on mountains..... Saw my first one this year.....and even rarer was a fog-bow around it all. Every day's a school day.
Wow that A320Neo can break! Fast stopper!
Lot of disasters avoided. Great job by the pilots controlling the planes and choosing caution over risk.
It was like the crew of the A380 performed a "touch and go", amazing.
Because they did, it was a test flight.
@@jazzi_0453 Wow, and here's me thinking the Captain had nothing better to do.
is that halo effect unique because it ouccoured when i flew into the uk when it was overcast
That A 380 from Emirates made this during a test flight procedure on the Airbus compound in Hamburg.
Thank you for sharing.
The rainbow effect is called a Glory. One can get them on mountains (I've experienced it twice) when the sun is behind the person, there is cloud below and the person is wet. One can only see one's own Glory - so a person standing next me could see theirs but not mine (and visa versa). Only time I've ever looked remotely angelic.
Definitely a butter landing on the 340. I hope they put that MD-11 down to check the airframe & gear. Any time you catch video or a photo of a aircraft that you’re on in the sunspot you’ll get that effect.
that Alitalia MD11 landing video belongs to the golden archives of Aviation
The final clip of the reflection is often known as a "Brocken Spectre", and is quite common in these circumstances.
BEAUTIFUL
It appears they had functional leading-edge slats which is a big help.
With that Emirate A380 ? In my flight school, we called that a Touch and Go. Maybe they were practicing? ;-)
OliverBrock certainly seems to think that!
It's a test flight. The plane's still wearing its French test registration, and the footage was shot at Hamburg Finkenwerder, which is where A380s were painted and completed.
2:25 i experinced the same effect 2 days ago, with the same company, is something amazing