NYC Subway: 1988 vs 2023 Comparison view at 14 Street - 8 Avenue station.

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  • Опубликовано: 19 мар 2023
  • 1980s footage by
    / @generalhawk505
    check out his channel for more unique views and the full 1980s subway film
    A side by side comparison view of two different eras in the NY Subway.
    Featuring R10 R30 R38 R44 R46 R143 R160 R179 and R211 class types.
    2023 footage recorded March 20,2023.

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  • @michaelgorman4229
    @michaelgorman4229 Год назад +57

    I started my career with the MTA (NYCTA) Trackworker on March 7, 1988, then got promoted on December 1991 to B-Division train operator till I retired on July 15, 2016, 28 1/2 years

  • @adammars1438
    @adammars1438 Год назад +64

    See this is why I love the NYC subway in the 80s in particular. Very interesting time in which many types were running in varying conditions. Some new, some ready for overhaul, and some that were slowly being phased out.

    • @sethmtanyct
      @sethmtanyct Год назад +12

      Agreed to that man! I love the contrast shot especially between that pre-GOH R44 and post GOH R46 in the video at 2:58

    • @DARTHBLUNT713
      @DARTHBLUNT713 Год назад +10

      1988 trains move faster than 2023 train when leaving the station and on the west side ABCD especially express trains be so damn fast no wonder why it sounds like thunder

    • @TheLordAI
      @TheLordAI Год назад +6

      ​@@DARTHBLUNT713yeah they like to snail trains through routes these days give trains red & yellow lights even with no trains ahead

    • @DARTHBLUNT713
      @DARTHBLUNT713 Год назад +2

      @@TheLordAI no doubt 💯

    • @adammars1438
      @adammars1438 Год назад +1

      @vutwindowsxptwo5348 maybe, but not their acceleration imo

  • @GamerRobYT
    @GamerRobYT Год назад +29

    It's crazy how much has changed in 35 years

  • @Aatrixian
    @Aatrixian Год назад +41

    This is officially one of my favorite videos you've made Mr Railfan. We get a blast to the past and get to compare it to some of the magnificent (and some troublesome) changes of the future. I wasn't even born yet lmao. I will admit though, the subway looked freakin haunted back then. So dark and gloomy. I'm real glad the MTA brightened things up over the years. The older trains definitely shine in variety and design, but the newer trains are beautiful and have upgraded our system quite a lot. It's really awesome to see! Nice one.

    • @camera9024
      @camera9024 11 месяцев назад +1

      I thought subway ambience was creepy until I saw '80s subway railfanning.

    • @atomicgiraffe250
      @atomicgiraffe250 9 месяцев назад +3

      @@camera9024 I think it's best described as going from "very shitty" to "slightly less shitty"

  • @BrIaNMeRcY1022
    @BrIaNMeRcY1022 Год назад +38

    To think the footage shot in 1988 was the way things were the day I was born. Fast forward to today, it proves how a lot can change in 35 years.

    • @TheLordAI
      @TheLordAI Год назад +4

      I was there during those days too definitely a huge difference only the trains were faster back then

    • @bruhz_089
      @bruhz_089 Год назад +2

      Its mainly the trains that changed

    • @brayanbarreramta
      @brayanbarreramta Месяц назад

      Wow

  • @arrow1414
    @arrow1414 Год назад +11

    I miss those analog clocks.

  • @amazing50000
    @amazing50000 Год назад +9

    I was a kid in 1988. I am a full adult in 2023. I was able to ride the subway back then, and still do now. I do miss the different variety of subway cars that was back then. Now most of the subway cars are the same.

  • @ShortRound42
    @ShortRound42 10 месяцев назад +7

    Been riding the subway since 1981 and not much has changed.
    Back then we thought ALL the subway stops would look like Bowling Green. Modern, stylish look. Most stations TODAY still look like they did 40 years ago. MOST.
    Here at Rego Park, they had a leak that was still in the same spot since the 90s. Just a couple years ago it was fixed but still see the rusted dirty stains in the same spot.
    These modern trains look all clean but again, what's the difference. Sleek look hopefully more aerodynamic, but it's still the same.
    The best change though is seeing the signs where you can see how long til next train gets in. That's it.
    Wifi is much improved too.
    But overall, still the same experience.

  • @brett8706
    @brett8706 Год назад +11

    Wow those R10’s where the conductor had to brave the elements.

  • @bottleofwatero1
    @bottleofwatero1 Год назад +9

    The subway in 1988 used to look like an ex soviet state in the 1990s or early 2000s.

    • @ShortRound42
      @ShortRound42 10 месяцев назад +1

      No, it's the film quality. It's old aged film that's deteriorating over time. So it looks darker and grimy.

  • @elizabethbobbio2601
    @elizabethbobbio2601 Год назад +13

    Man, time flys fast when stations renovate many years ago.

  • @Bklynkid52
    @Bklynkid52 Год назад +20

    The fact that conductors had it worse back then with the door controls, good thing they’re in actual cabs now.

    • @BrIaNMeRcY1022
      @BrIaNMeRcY1022 Год назад +18

      The R10's were the last subway cars with exterior door controls.

    • @Bklynkid52
      @Bklynkid52 Год назад +8

      @@BrIaNMeRcY1022 That’s a good thing, because one wrong step and you’re in between the train cars. ☠️🙁

    • @BrIaNMeRcY1022
      @BrIaNMeRcY1022 Год назад +7

      @@Bklynkid52 This is why is became a safety issue with TWU Local 100 for much of the 1980's.

    • @jfchonors8873
      @jfchonors8873 Год назад +3

      As a kid riding the D train to Brooklyn on snowy days it always amazed me that conductors on Arnines could step out onto those slippery footholds while the train was moving

    • @luislaplume8261
      @luislaplume8261 Год назад

      ​@@BrIaNMeRcY1022 And the first ones that were called Composits were built with it from 1903 to 1904.

  • @MajorSecord
    @MajorSecord Год назад +10

    Nicely done. Your attention to detail is appreciated. The lighting has certainly improved dramatically.

  • @TransitFoamer_JAYDOTT
    @TransitFoamer_JAYDOTT Год назад +6

    1:44 the K train

  • @DaHidden
    @DaHidden Год назад +9

    Now this is history!

  • @g.c.brooks7214
    @g.c.brooks7214 Год назад +3

    Seeing those grimy, graffitied pre-overhaul R38s gives me such nostalgia

  • @BottomLin3Op
    @BottomLin3Op Год назад +9

    Much faster back then as well

    • @robroy6374
      @robroy6374 Год назад +2

      yup. before the whole subway system slowed down due to the 1995 williamsburg bridge crash.

  • @bornjamerican52
    @bornjamerican52 Год назад +2

    Oh wow! Brings back memories 😊😊😊. Thank you

  • @Traintrooper
    @Traintrooper Год назад +18

    To anyone who says that the subways now a days are a dark scary and grimy place watch this video because that couldn’t be further from the truth and this vid shows it perfectly. the subway has come a long way from the 80s and while there is room for improvement the subways has improved so much since the 80s and will continue to do so

  • @quirkygirlboss
    @quirkygirlboss Год назад +1

    Great comparison, this video is gonna blow up!

  • @Jay2Fire42
    @Jay2Fire42 Год назад +6

    Its great to see the graffiti trains an the other old trains wish we still had those running in theses times.

  • @deeznuttzinyermouth4391
    @deeznuttzinyermouth4391 9 месяцев назад +7

    1980's the best era period! NYC was beautiful them days love graffiti

  • @EvilNeuro_IITPP
    @EvilNeuro_IITPP 2 месяца назад +2

    The 1980s footage looka very creepy especially the vandalism on the trains it gives ghost town vibes

  • @mariajosesaizlopez3574
    @mariajosesaizlopez3574 7 месяцев назад

    Great video

  • @user-hf1fg1pe5o
    @user-hf1fg1pe5o Год назад +1

    Very good Video

  • @Chris-zs5qb
    @Chris-zs5qb Год назад +3

    That was only 12 years before I was born? Wow.

  • @jjinnyc75
    @jjinnyc75 11 месяцев назад +1

    Stunning

  • @djr.bklyn.ny.
    @djr.bklyn.ny. Год назад +3

    I love this! Can you do Coney Island?

  • @kevinb8881
    @kevinb8881 Год назад +6

    R10 C trains, OMGGGGG!!!😂

  • @edp128128
    @edp128128 10 месяцев назад +1

    hey the green R10 was nice :)

  • @MatingMations
    @MatingMations Год назад +21

    I was about to say “first” but then I gained brain cells.

    • @Chris-zs5qb
      @Chris-zs5qb Год назад +6

      You're still the only comment three minutes later, lol

    • @camera9024
      @camera9024 11 месяцев назад +1

      And u still said first

    • @smashfan9549
      @smashfan9549 7 месяцев назад

      ​@@camera9024And you did as well.

  • @thefanridrshow1967
    @thefanridrshow1967 Год назад

    Wish you make a longer video like that

  • @randylotito8045
    @randylotito8045 Год назад +2

    RIGHT HERE I LOVE ♥♥♥ THE BRAND NEW N.Y.C. M.T.A. MASS TRANSIT R211T SUBWAY TRAIN 🚇🚇🚇 CAB CARS ON THE A TRAIN TO 207 STREET.

  • @koolmazin
    @koolmazin 3 месяца назад

    Can you do a side by side comparison with an R10 and an R211T?

  • @mattstbe6452
    @mattstbe6452 Год назад +3

    Man, not even the doors worked?

  • @mtanyctrainatlantamartatra7164
    @mtanyctrainatlantamartatra7164 Год назад +1

    Seen old Marta subway train videos, now see some old NYC mta subway train videos

  • @mattstbe6452
    @mattstbe6452 Год назад +5

    To think we couldn't possibly look any more third world.

    • @VeeTHis
      @VeeTHis Год назад +3

      The 1980s footage sure as hell looks third world. I wouldn't say the 2023 footage looks "third world" though.

  • @kevinb8881
    @kevinb8881 Год назад +6

    R30 L trains, yesss!!!😃

    • @michaelgorman4229
      @michaelgorman4229 Год назад +3

      Check out the film 📹 Worriers (1980) movie 🎦

    • @kevinb8881
      @kevinb8881 Год назад +2

      @@michaelgorman4229 I've seen that movie!!

  • @smythfamily8321
    @smythfamily8321 3 месяца назад

    Crazy that those old r10s are still used for work trains today!

  • @prod.loverboicurly8105
    @prod.loverboicurly8105 Год назад +3

    new cars are amazing. But why don’t they reconstruct the stations ? many of them are in terrible conditions with all these dirty streaks on the walls, peeling tiles, rusty metal structures, etc.

    • @TheLordAI
      @TheLordAI Год назад +3

      They're working on that too

  • @benjaminsmith2287
    @benjaminsmith2287 2 месяца назад

    So much has been cleaned up and brightened in current times. I don't think New Yorkers appreciate how much work has been done in the stations. Crazy how the 44/46 is now the vintage train (46 surviving) and it was a relatively new and modern train in 1988. Better variety of trains in 1988 and you can see where some where beginning to be cleaned up but still tons of graffiti on most of them.

  • @MHammonds18
    @MHammonds18 Год назад +1

    An R10 in 88 is crazy 😭

  • @benjaminsmith2287
    @benjaminsmith2287 2 месяца назад

    Another thing I notice is old to new. The R46 doesn't look all that much different, at least on the outside, to the R211. The R46, OTOH, and R44, look very different to the R10 which looks very different to the R38.

  • @ShortRound42
    @ShortRound42 10 месяцев назад +2

    First off the video from then is very old, grainy, aged film. The film has deteriorated so it looks dark.
    Yes, lighting better now, but it wasn't a dark place then. I lived it, rode the subways then.
    Additionally you see more riders back then because that's just about the beginning of when things were getting better crime-wise. Guardian Angels patroling the subways.
    Still bad but just starting to ease up.
    About early 90s started the very safe riding (Police Commissioner and Giuliani's policies cracking down on thugs and crime and homeless) til about 2019.
    Then crime ramped up again, more homeless again on the subway from end of 2020 til now.
    Another big factor most people worked in the city. Now, people are working from home a couple days a week (at least) from the office. So, less ridership overall now.

  • @g.c.brooks7214
    @g.c.brooks7214 Месяц назад

    I almost forgot the conductor had to stand between cars on trains comprised of R10s. That would never fly today

  • @hmmsimguy3550
    @hmmsimguy3550 Год назад +1

    How did you found the old footage

  • @IsaiahAOI_YT
    @IsaiahAOI_YT Год назад +1

    Why are the 80s trains so fast😰😰

  • @Mr.A-Wagen
    @Mr.A-Wagen 11 месяцев назад

    Why does only one door open at the r10 trains?

    • @MrRailfan
      @MrRailfan  11 месяцев назад +2

      Doors were cut out.

  • @johnlewis3891
    @johnlewis3891 10 месяцев назад +2

    The 80s 🚉 looks much crowded and darker than the modern ones.

    • @ShortRound42
      @ShortRound42 10 месяцев назад +3

      Darker due to the aged film, deteriorated film quality. It wasn't dark like that. I lived and rode in that time.
      More crowded because many worked in the city. Today, we have remote work since 2020 pandemic. People are working from home more days of the week. So less ridership. Less going to the office today.

  • @jamellloydhampton7907
    @jamellloydhampton7907 Год назад +3

    WOW THE OLD TO THE NEW. I WAS 8 YEARS OLD THAT YEAR IN 1988. 35 YEARS LATER.

  • @tonytins
    @tonytins Год назад +2

    Like, night and day,

  • @ynwa6661
    @ynwa6661 Год назад

    i remember the 200

  • @solidDoezThingzyt
    @solidDoezThingzyt Год назад +2

    Now even more in the future its gunnu be the R179/R211 as the past and the R916 in the future

  • @aqua2poweros699
    @aqua2poweros699 Год назад +1

    Surprises me how fast the NTTS are at 2:20. And the Thing was the r10 left first. Definitely shows signs of improvement.
    edit: I'm not hating on the R10. The R10 is actually really good.

    • @MrRailfan
      @MrRailfan  Год назад +9

      Half the train probably had dead motors. Just look at the doors, half of em are cut out.
      The R10s are really quick.

    • @robroy6374
      @robroy6374 Год назад +5

      the R10s will always be better than any NTTs, period.

    • @DARTHBLUNT713
      @DARTHBLUNT713 Год назад +1

      ​@@MrRailfan facts 💯 I remembered those days back in the 1980s every trains models had some kind of problems as well some parts of the tracks had some very serious problems that some part of it Trains can't go past 5 to 10 mph and wow what Avery long ways the system got overhaul since than to now

    • @benmateo9105
      @benmateo9105 11 месяцев назад

      @@MrRailfan Yeah. It's most likely that the ones that were about to phase out (The older ones) weren't in a really good condition. So some things didn't work properly.

  • @yitzchokkranczer6066
    @yitzchokkranczer6066 Год назад +1

    Why are the videos of the newer trains - and their platforms - brighter than the old ones? Is it a change in t trains or did the videographer use two different cameras/settings? Was this an accident or malicious distortion?

    • @MrRailfan
      @MrRailfan  Год назад +8

      The lighting was dimmer in the 80s. The cameras used to shoot are also different

    • @yitzchokkranczer6066
      @yitzchokkranczer6066 Год назад

      @@MrRailfan Oh, I'm sorry. I thought that they were all recent videos of both new and old trains that are in service now.

    • @RailRide
      @RailRide Год назад +1

      @@yitzchokkranczer6066 Old lights: fluorescent & incandescent. New lights, mostly LED & CFL.

  • @ThatUnknownProPlayer2024
    @ThatUnknownProPlayer2024 11 месяцев назад

    3:11 R44 VS R46

  • @markhellman-pn3hn
    @markhellman-pn3hn 7 дней назад

    (aside from the graffitti) ... these were the BEST subway cars New York ever had

  • @mattstbe6452
    @mattstbe6452 Год назад +2

    These new trains are already 10 years old btw

    • @MrRailfan
      @MrRailfan  Год назад +3

      The 143s are 23, 160s are 18, 179s are nearing 10. Time flies.

  • @Psevdonim123
    @Psevdonim123 10 месяцев назад

    Why on old trains only half of the door opens?

    • @ShortRound42
      @ShortRound42 10 месяцев назад +1

      Not always. That was some malfunctions. You'll see that from time to time now, but less so than back in the day.

  • @nojeansv
    @nojeansv Год назад

    2023 got a competition

  • @ThatUnknownProPlayer2024
    @ThatUnknownProPlayer2024 11 месяцев назад

    2023!!!!

  • @SubwayyyFan3000
    @SubwayyyFan3000 Год назад +5

    Why is NYC Subway had more riders back in 1988 than now? It’s creepy and haunted af.

    • @ShortRound42
      @ShortRound42 10 месяцев назад +2

      First off the video from then is very old, grainy, aged film. The film has deteriorated so it looks dark.
      More riders back then because that's just about the beginning of when things were getting better crime-wise. Still bad but just starting to ease up.
      About early 90s started the very safe riding til about 2019. Then crime ramped up again, more homeless again on the subway.
      Another big factor EVERYONE worked in the city. Now, people are work from home a couple days a week from the office. So...less ridership.

    • @SubwayyyFan3000
      @SubwayyyFan3000 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@ShortRound42 thats bad, how is office occupancy in the city is right now?

    • @ShortRound42
      @ShortRound42 10 месяцев назад +2

      @@SubwayyyFan3000 My wife does from home a couple days a week, then the rest the office.
      When I go in sometimes, it's definitely less crowded, less tourists the past 2+ years BUT, this year '23 I see many more people in the city. It's coming back slowly. More people coming into the office.
      And also more tourists coming in.
      Restaurants slowly picking up again. Subway more people.
      But on the street you notice more homeless. Alot more than when I was younger. And now lots of illegals, especially women walking around trying to sell candies with their kids in tow. Kids look miserable doing this. It's sad to see.

    • @SubwayyyFan3000
      @SubwayyyFan3000 10 месяцев назад

      @@ShortRound42 that is good NYC is slowly coming back but it’s heartbreaking that it’s now filled with illegals and homeless people, these people needs to be housed and yet city council are bunch of mafias.

  • @buszyguy
    @buszyguy 6 месяцев назад

    4:36

  • @jacoanimationstudio-di7hi
    @jacoanimationstudio-di7hi 3 месяца назад

    The K was still there…

  • @ajs11201
    @ajs11201 10 месяцев назад

    The MTA sure has its problems, but it would be disingenuous to pretend that it's worse now than in the 70s and 80s.

  • @johnlewis3891
    @johnlewis3891 10 месяцев назад

    I would have been scared of walking in that dark azz mezzanine(7:13).

    • @ShortRound42
      @ShortRound42 10 месяцев назад

      Some lights not working there but the film is very old, deteriorated aged film so it looks darker than actually it was.

  • @ThatUnknownProPlayer2024
    @ThatUnknownProPlayer2024 11 месяцев назад

    And the winner is

  • @MD-Yuh
    @MD-Yuh 22 дня назад

    And now, we need to compare to Moscow metro...

    • @MrRailfan
      @MrRailfan  22 дня назад

      I did a video in kiev. Same soviet style architecture. We have nice infrastructure here too. Our system is much bigger and older and we have gorgeous stations too

  • @johnlewis3891
    @johnlewis3891 10 месяцев назад +1

    Why is the conductor riding in between the train cars in the 80s?

    • @MrRailfan
      @MrRailfan  10 месяцев назад +2

      That's were the door controls were until the trains in the 50s started arriving with the controls relocated into the cabin.
      The last of these trains were removed from service in 1989.

    • @johnlewis3891
      @johnlewis3891 10 месяцев назад

      @@MrRailfan Thanks for the info. I was so confused. At first I thought the conductor was a transit 👮‍♂️.

  • @F40PH-2CAT
    @F40PH-2CAT Год назад +4

    This isn't history to many of us 😅

    • @robroy6374
      @robroy6374 Год назад +3

      1988 far more interesting than boring ass 2023, thats for sure.

    • @strongman410
      @strongman410 7 месяцев назад

      Tell me you're old without telling me you're old LOL

  • @Itz_MaxTheCat
    @Itz_MaxTheCat Год назад +1

    2:10 man there are some nice graffiti on some trains, BUT that one on the left is kinda gross 🤮

  • @aaronmohammed6998
    @aaronmohammed6998 11 месяцев назад +1

    MTA SERVICE BUSES MTA OK

  • @dokesz530
    @dokesz530 11 месяцев назад +1

    Not much has been changed.Graffity cleaned off.The subway cars stil looks ugly i dont know who made the latest look but why install such a smal windows between doors?As for the look a new facelift and lot of informations added but in europe this is al long standard.

    • @ShortRound42
      @ShortRound42 10 месяцев назад +1

      Thx for saying that. Many here think alot has changed. The stations almost all look the same the past 40 years. Just some tech improvements but for 40 years, you'd think our subways would be right there or better than Japan's rail services. All modern, all sleek over there. Here they slow walked and stole monies from the major renovations that are still needed.

  • @cats0182
    @cats0182 Год назад +5

    One comparison you didn't make. The earlier cars were designed and built by American companies in America. Today subway cars are products of foreign design and assembled by foreign companies who've set up plants in the US to sooth the egos of politicians. For me, it's a sad commentary and comparison point.

    • @MrRailfan
      @MrRailfan  Год назад +9

      We no longer have any US based companies. All went out of business.

    • @Itz_MaxTheCat
      @Itz_MaxTheCat Год назад +1

      Bombradier is Canadian.
      Kawasaki is Japanese (like Toyota)
      Alston is French (so do francorail)
      St. Louis, Budd company, Pullman standard and other old train companies are American

    • @JamesDeanRivera
      @JamesDeanRivera Год назад +9

      Who cares? Were comparing trains entering a train entering a station in 2 different eras. I could care less where they was built at

    • @wmbrown6
      @wmbrown6 Год назад +1

      And the old subway cars actually ran like subway cars. Today's lot are basically computers on wheels.

    • @Itz_MaxTheCat
      @Itz_MaxTheCat Год назад +1

      @@wmbrown6 lol 😂😂😂😂😂😂.
      The r211 is the computer on wheels. The r142 r143 R160 and the lemon is not really computerised just their script maps, a very few leds and the CBTC stuffs

  • @chrisjct
    @chrisjct Год назад +2

    New yorkers in the 80s omg this is bad no lights nasty people very dirty. People today new lighting way cleaner new trains stations count downclocks and info boards but still to dirty

    • @ShortRound42
      @ShortRound42 10 месяцев назад +2

      Still dirty, still crime, more homeless. Not much has changed. But I get wifi.
      See Japan. We should be ashamed after 40 years. We should have the best rail in the world. Were did all the money go?

    • @smashfan9549
      @smashfan9549 7 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@ShortRound42I'm seeing you say the same thing everywhere about saying that the subway really hasn't changed since the 80s. I think what everyone is trying to say is that all the same stuff you see now was worse back then. And just to add on, do you not see what the mta is trying to do with most of the stations? If you ask me, things are 100 times better now than they were before

    • @ShortRound42
      @ShortRound42 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@smashfan9549 Nah, I've ridden since the 80s and that is 40 years, and the improvements over that time span should be the level of Japan's rail.
      Have you seen what they have over there and cleanliness and modernization in almost EVERY station they have.
      So 40s years and it's a slight improvement is NOT a great metric with millions of dollars a day for over 40 years have been collected with only SLIGHT improvements. Where did all the money go?

  • @Lithiumbattery
    @Lithiumbattery 24 дня назад

    nothing has change. nyc still sux poop. indian rail looks classy in comparison 😂😂😂😂

  • @Theguythathasablooperplushie
    @Theguythathasablooperplushie Год назад +2

    i want to be in the 80s 🥲

  • @Theguythathasablooperplushie
    @Theguythathasablooperplushie Год назад +1

    5:41 popeye door on R10

  • @gummel82
    @gummel82 9 месяцев назад

    NYC in 1988 looked like a slum