I think Simon being the yellow catalyst comet makes more plot sense than Jake, because it was the one Orgalorg (i.e. Gunther) originally attempted to intercept.
Lich, Simon, and Finn/Fionna are also always the core three characters that have bounce into each other the most, without even knowing it. The lich is created by the mushroom war, Simon is forced to become the Ice King to endure/prevent it, and Finn is born from Simon’s actions. Or it’s a red flag and Huntress Wizard is the yellow comet. What is the strangest outcome is how Fionna and Simon do get tangled up into a romance while we are constantly given hints of HW’s early demise throughout their mini-series.
My only thing is the fact that we don't know what happens to him at the end of Fionna and cake just yet, we don't know if he dies immediately, lives and dies of old age, or doesn't die at all. If he becomes immortal, then he doesn't reincarnate. We don't see him in the dead worlds, so either he reincarnated or he didn't die. EDIT AND SPOILER! Holy shit, he definitely could be this comet dudes
Especially since Finn and Jake are confirmed to be a pair of souls that always reincarnate together, the comets are a thousand years apart so it wouldn’t work
@@treores1663 So golb exists outside of time. In other words, it does not percieve past, present, or future as different things, those are meaningless concepts of reality to it. Betty was always an incomprehensible chaos goddess or well a fragment of one, she just didn't realize it until the mortal shell vanished. But the full Golbetty would have always known, for this was always true to it. The lich was studying the shadow on the wall of Golb, just the fact that it's the waiting maw of entropy. Maybe depressed lich asked golb what it actually wanted and got and answer it wasn't ready for.
I think the idea of Jake being a catalyst comet can immediately be ruled out on account of the fact that Jake was able to reach the 50th Dead World, achieving inner peace and ending his reincarnation cycle, and it took the influence of Finn, a known catalyst comet, to bring him back out and start his reincarnation cycle again. If Catalyst Comets are supposed to impose some new effect on the world forever, that would imply that Jake would be destined to reincarnate indefinitely. Ironically, this also means that since Finn is a catalyst comet, the two of them can never achieve their goal of reaching the 50th Dead World together, unless Finn’s indefinite reincarnation cycle could be theoretically ended by the obliteration of Ooo, at which point there would be no world left for him to have an effect on As a Catalyst Comet.
Personally I think “ice king” Simon after leaving marceline found 99% of the magical items around ooo, as for why…. Most of them were from around the world, even the encirideon was something he found and brought to the region, we also see in timelines where Simon dies, wizards aren’t really a thing , like in the stars huntress wizards just a human , my theory is he just kinda was the foundation for the magic community , acting as a refrence as they branched out into diffrent schools before becoming independent types of magic , and we saw in a extremely early episode that Ice cubes full of objects are just scattered around including magical buisness men , so maybe people kept Robbing ice king or he kept leaving them in random places and basicly set the foundation for a magic filled ooo, obviously the items he mentioned in the episode that he couldn’t find were either guarded or off planet
Who knows, maybe Simon is a Catalyst Comet that we've never seen before? I mean, if a catalyst comet falls to earth every 1000 years, then it's safe to assume that *way* more than the 4 we saw in Adventure Time went to earth.
@@PaintedLive One more question for people to solve. Also, we now *know* from episode 8 of Fionna and Cake that Simon and Betty went looking for the enchiridion together, but one thing that bugs me is that it's never revealed to us just *how* long it took for them to locate, get, and bring the enchiridion back with them.
The answer is simple, Simon's one-and-only fused with a timeless and all-powerful entity, who is probably able to manipulate his fate across all worlds to fulfill her one wish; to keep him safe.
My theory is that Yellow prob the neutral-ish comet out of the 4 and had the most freedom while not being tied to a destined task (Like Blue is to save the earth/life while Green tries destroys life, Purple prob have some purpose but abandons his task) It still comes to earth yet it doesnt have an impact in the world right away until it unknowingly/want to make something happen which indicates the element of choice.
@@hiiamjustacoolrandomuser168 Yes. But they had been laying dormant with their powers for quite a while, or atleast in that specific time-frame. Most of the vampires, being implied to have existed long before, would've also been hidden from the outside world in some way shape or form. (Applies to the demons & monsters aswell) So the Ice Crown & Mushroom Bomb were practically the only two magical objects with note-worthy power.
Simon's humility and kindness are what change the world. He keeps the crown in check where others run rampant with power. His kindness changes Marceline's fate. Simon's story is one of the kind of impact anyone's choices can have, regardless of fate or lack thereof.
@@austinmai356 Yeah, and Simon not having his crown on may have been because of the wish.... (It somehow got inside the drums, so I'm suggesting that the crown would have protected him from the Lich's wish if he was wearing it... Prismo knowing this probably stuck it in the drums to remove this protection.) So yeah my theory was more about how powerful the crowns magic is.
I mean we also gotta be careful of sample bias, there's an infinite number of universes but we only see the universes with an active magic crown and universes seen around the same time as canon - so 1000 years from Mushroom War (if the war ever happens) That's filtering a lot of the universes where worlds are perfectly fine without Simon simply by virtue those worlds not having an active magic crown
The problem to me resides in the fact that we don't know enough about these Catalyst Comets to make a conclusion. Like, does every universe have catalyst comets? Is the change they bring always similar to every universe? It's so mysterious and fun to think about and come up with ideas and link things together. But we lack the full understanding of these comets, and im sure their vague explanations so far are on purpose. Thus, this being a theory.
I'm not entirely sure! Either he is, and the reason we don't see him in the dead worlds, is because he is reincarnated, or he isn't and the reason we don't see him is because he didn't die.
@@thebobbrom7176 Yeah I think it's probably more like finn would just always choose to reincarnate because it's in his nature rather than him being "forced" to
In my opinion, Simon being a Catalyst Comet would kinda ruin what he's already done, and what the multiple realities theming and concept are trying to imply. The worlds are implying that Simon is an integral piece of the world's puzzle because of his choices and actions he's taken, like the theming of every protagonist in a multiverse plotline-- where most of the time the lesson is that the choices that we make every day is what makes the realities we live in special.
@@ApolloTheSunionno. If Simon is a catalyst comet, then every action is destined. No matter what choice is, something important still will happens, because comets are destined to do that
@@maplered5042 exactly, if he were then the decisions he's made were already set in stone, like what he was going through internally was just part of the process-- that would suck the emotional resonance in his actions and emotions (taking care of Marcy instead of not affecting her life in a meaningful way is a good example)
@@ii8thecookies Not everything is predetermined and comets can have their destinies changed, as happened to Lich who became a baby and will never carry out his plan again so even though these comets carry changes and purposes they are not tied to fate
This is how I feel with all of this AU stuff essentially. It's so much more boring if this kind of stuff is always fated to happen no matter what in every universe, character agency what's that we need prophecies because that's not boring as shit right. I don't know why people want this.
Yellow Catalyst comet being Simon came before the Green one, and I would postulate that the Ice Elemental that created the crown was one of Simon´s reincarnations, and each subsequent reincarnation obtains the crown (Santa Claus, Norse kid, and Simon himself). It could also work since the Ice Elemental shares the same voice actor with Simon.
Not to be rude, but That doesnt make sense. the Evergreen reincarnated into Patience St. Pim. both her and simon were born in the 20th century, and neither patience nor simon died, so its not possible for one of them to reincarnate into the other
I was reading thought thw comments and I was surprised to see no one mentioning how the remote was specifically programmed to track world's with the ice kings crown, and how this would lead to a greater presence of Simon and his impacts hence this search.
So I saw another theory at one point that said that reincarnation in the adventure Time world is just baseline, and for those that are finished reincarnating, they go to golb to seek the absolute end. We see this when Finn jumped off his tongue and exited the pillow world in that one fort epsiode when we first saw golb. Finn chose to go see jack again after dying in another world. I think Jake is just one of those every day regular Joe reincarnations, and maybe Simon is the yellow comet well Finn is the blue. They seem to have a lot more impact on the world and I agree that Jake might not have the same effect without Finn. I believe Jake just chooses to reincarnate with Finn, like he did an obsidian, even though he could’ve stayed resting, where Simon, the lith, and finn will continue to to keep the world on course by being brought back
Seemingly aswell that the crown itself and Simon are always connected, every version of Simon seemingly wears the crown and is the only one to be recognized as the crowns wearer despite the crown having multiple hosts... Also how Prismo says that he's destined to be the ice king and how even the lich recognize then refers to him as the ice wizard... It seems no matter what Simon is destined to be the one to wear the crown. It reminds me of Eddie and Venom somewhat, despite all the hosts it's Eddie that *is* Venom then at one point once he's free from Venom he has a similar reaction as Simon that is he hated being with Venom even to the point he hunted down Venom when Flash had it... But soon enough he grew to somewhat miss it again like an addiction or alcoholic relapse similar to Simon... he became Venom once again like there was no way for them to be permanently separated forever as long as Eddie lived... Granted this isn't exactly a perfect comparison but it's very similar to me
1:50 interesting fact. The lich from this episode is very likely our original lich, and the universe is probably the one from seasons 1-5. If you want to know why- Original lich - wished for simply all life to go away Fin- wished for the lich to never have existed, changing the past not the present. Created a second timeline Jake- wished also for the changing of the past, so it very likely that his wisb of changing the lichs wishes, created a timeline where the lich got his wish and one where he made the alter version of jake wish.
Here’s an odd (probably inaccurate) sudo-theory about the Catalyst Comets and that would be supported by Simon being the yellow comet: Current reincarnations of the comets and those connected to them consistently interact. The lich’s comet leads to the crown’s creation, which Simon finds allowing him to interact with Finn in the distant future. Farmworld Finn get the Crown while Farmworld jake becomes the lich. The first time we see Golb in the show is when Finn dies of old age in pillow world, and the lich is his ‘last scholar’, while Betty fuses with him. There’s probably more of these mad connections you could make, but the idea is somewhat there…
Wouldn't yellow have come before green? Since all the other comets seem to arrive in their rainbow order. Maybe he was once Wintergreen. Orgalorg seemed to be really invested in the yellow comet, and since Orgalorg is Gunther, that could lend some credence to the theory.
sucky thing about that shermy and beth theory is its 1000 years later or less im not exactly sure but then simons reincarnation is gonna be drastically different than who he is now, just like how shoko and finn are 1 reincarnation apart but bubblegum couldnt even see the resemblance in them other than the lost arm.
it doesn't make sense for Jake to be the yellow catalyst comet because it's only because of finn does he rencarnates. Simon on the other hand makes sense because in every world that worlds simon has a positive or negative effect due to his actions and when simon is reintroduce to the world a drastic change happens and you see the effects Simon has on the other world. same with fiona and cake it makes sense that they would effect the worlds they visit since their world was hidden in Simon's head.
The Cometa aren't consistent with each other Blue (Finn's) started reincarnating immediately after hitting Ooo But Green (Litch's) obtained a Form only after The Mushroom War (by the way, The Litch was in the Bomb, meaning that before Reincarnating he existed in the form of an Object or Inhabited a Material, meaning that Comets may also have the ability to become Objects or Materials) & The Purple One even choose to not hit the Earth So The Comet can choose what to do or become In my opinion the Other Comets that should or supposedly hit Ooo choose different things Some became Objects, some became Abstract Things, some decided to not obtain a Body (probably) and some decided or where forced to not hit the Earth My theory for the Yellow Comet is that it isn't Jake but decided to not have a Body, then when Jake decided to Reincarnate then The Yellow Comet merged with him Farmworld wasn't hit by The Blue Comet but Finn was still born Also the Litch need a Host but doesn't reincarnate into one (this is seen in Farmworld where The Litch did take over Jake) So Catalysts Incarnation can both be born without The Comet and become Incarnations later So my theory is that The Yellow Comet wasn't Jake but Jake became the Yellow Comet
Something to consider is that they were specifically dimension hopping based on one of the gem's in the ice king's crown. Seemingly meaning it was checking for ones where he had worn it in the past, since they all followed that trend, and we know wearing the crown stores an instance of your mind in the crown.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think catalyst comets tend to be pretty powerful on their own even after reincarnating. The Lich being an obivous example, but even Finn is overwhelmingly strong for being a human, plus we know that Finn personally prefers keeping a low profile to the point where he locks away his memories of his past lives in his mental vault. I guess the problem is that we have no confirmed catalyst comets beside those two, so it's hard to tell what they would have in common
Jake's the reason that there's a pup kingdom. I'd say that's enough evidence that Jake's presence impacted history. But then again, Simon being the yellow comet is equally as cool imo.
The blue fatalist comet actually hit earth after the mushroom war, you can see Finn’s past life as a butterfly in the episode where Pb shares her backstory, Pb picked up the butterfly and showed it to neddy in that episode.
Huge hole in your theory. 1) Prismo sent the gang to that universe in farm world. 2) Simon installs the crown gem to teleport to other verses that involve the crown….and usually him becoming ice king. It’s not that Simon is a catalyst….it’s because the remote is bringing them to these universes where Simon was involved. Not a pattern at all. Just the remote being directed to what it was programmed for.
You know if he is a catalyst comet, unlike the lich who revitalize magic in the world, perhaps simons catalyst comet was the one that changed the world to a none magic one
that doesnt make sense, the world always had magic, 1. monster exist before everything 2. Prismo exist 3. Golb 4. The Elementals since Evergreen 4. Marceline n her Dad
i think the blue comet was revealed to have hit earth just after the mushroom bomb exploded, because we see in the farmworld flashback that Simon dies trying to stop the bomb, then the world is enveloped in ice and only then does the catalyst comet even show up (although it does miss that earth, but thats a whole other can of worms)
I think that may have been inconsistent writing considering it was a blue comet and Finn is on farm world. That or who the comet is and when the comets hit changes in each universe.
Wait, The Blue Comet didn't hit Farmworld but Finn was still born? Then the only consistent Comet in the Multiverse should be the Litch (probably by the fact He is a Titan/Primordial)
@@PaintedLive the Catalyst Comet is beyond Golb herself, that's why OOO Finn is more impactful than other world finns, Farmworld Finn is just a fragment of his wish, so are the other finns by other people.
Simon is important because he’s the object of love of the God of chaos (golb). It makes sense that just as good is responsible for a huge part of existence in all realities Simon would be too.
There are millions of years in-between the green comet and the the blue comet. So there are a ton of comets that are unaccounted for, and I think one of them was Simon (and maybe Betty too)
I never even considered stuff like this. I feel like the creators of the show wanted the yellow comet to be Jake because of his cosmic connection to Finn through multiple different lives so he must be as important. Point 2 is that Jake is yellow, just like how Finn is represented with blue for the blue comet.
I do think jake comin before Finn does make sense, if he came a thousand years before finn it’s no wonder that he got the the last dead world before him. Though I think his alien origins muddy this up, we haven’t seen a catalyst’s reincarnation come from anywhere but earth
Idk, maybe he's just a normal middle age man with his random acts of kindness change the world. I think that has a lot meaning to it because in a world of magical beings a normal guy still have the ability to make a difference.
Well, as long as we know, during mushroom war there was Finn's catalyst comet, and given that the Lich Comet crashed in earth waaaayy before, in the dinosaurs era as we see in the episode of evergreen, that means Lich have been reincarnating since 65 million years ago lmao, so we can assume reincarnating for a catalyst comet could be eternal, so if a catalyst comet crashed 1000 years prior to Finn's comet, that could be Simon.
I really don’t think Simon is a catalyst comet. I think it would ruin his character if he is only important due to his previous incarnation as a comet. I think what makes Simon so important is what he majored in on Ooo. In his time, he was the only person on the planet besides Betty (who took a liking to the subject because of Simon) to really delve into the supernatural others could never imagine of doing. I think because he found the crown he altered history. It shows with how much he’s done in the show thanks to the crown. For one it let him live thousands of years. Two, Marciline learned to love and care for others thanks to Simon when all she felt was destain and unimportance from her parents. Finally three, his link to the powerful entities and their importance. Simon is one of the few mortals and maybe even beings in all of adventure time who interacted with cosmic entities on a regular. Others like Finn only do so because he is destined to do so or at least compelled too. Simon however learned all he could about mysterious beings and was the only human to stand in the same void as the Lich and Golb and survive. Simon is important because of the choices he made. It’s even stated by him in the final episode of Fiona and Cake when he relived a moment with Betty, that instead of getting here to stay he would go with her. This one decision is something he realized could have changed everything. Maybe not the mushroom war, but definitely history later on when it calls for them.
the universe where the lich destroyed all life is the same universe we follow during the first 4 seasons of the show-- you're seeing the lich's prismo wish (that's why he's still wearing billy and the BMO recording shows it as an instantaneous event)
what if betty was the comet? since arguably without her infuence he wouldnt have found certain things the way he did.she tended to give him a nudge at times...like her deciding to jump forward in time or join him on the trio and leave that letter for him to find when despite him thinking of her...he probably wouldnt hve made the first move. and without betty to ground him and him thinking he messed up he might not have been in the area to find marcy as well as unstable enough to keep wearing the crown
I mean lets look at the facts here Jakes commet wouldn't have landed before the mushroom war and on top of that gunter tries to intercept the yellow commet symbolizing even more a connection to simon i think this theory is probably correct
I've wished we got a bit more on the Catalyst comets like see the existence of other comets like a Red Comet representing either Golb, Betty, or Flame Princess, or how about a Grey Comet that represents Marceline, etc. I just think the Catalyst comets are so interesting due to the impact they have to the lore of Adventure Time, so PLEASE Ward, give us more LORE!
When you think about the implications of lich world, if ALL life is dead, that would mean bacteria as well, which would explain why the treehouse is just dried and eroded and so is the grass. Wasn’t that wish made over a decade ago in universe?
I think regardless of theories about the show itself, the oldest something is the more effect it can have on the future, specially if they can survive for a long time.
The only thing I would say is that is that we are only shown universes where the crown existed, specifically simons ice crown (since there could have been timelines where the crown wasn’t “set” to crazy ice guy mode). To me this implies that simon isn’t as much of a constant as the hero (Finn) or the death (litch) comets. However we do see Finns reincarnation always accompanied by someone implying that either jake is the comet or the friendship is so close that it transcends reincarnation. I do think it is more likely that the yellow comet is the one responsible for swapping the world from magical to mundane and doesn’t necessarily need to have a living avatar.
I'm certain that the order of comets is Green, Yellow, then Blue, since Orgalorg when they get cast down to earth after trying to eat the yellow comet shows up throughout human history, and in Marcy's retelling of the Farmworld timeline we see the blue comet miss Earth after Simon freezes it, meaning the blue comet shows up after the Mushroom War.
I don't think Jake is any sort of catalyst comet. Jake, as a character, is _way_ too passive to really ever be considered an agent of change. Jake is important, don't get me wrong, but his importance to big events is only really in relation to decisions that Finn makes. Jake has some impact on his own, but 9/ 10 times it's Finn making the big, world-altering decisions and Jake is just along for the ride. This also goes a long way towards explaining why it is that Jake was able to so easily achieve nirvana and get to the 50th death world. He's passive. He goes with the flow. Finn, on the other hand, has an extremely difficult time letting go of things like injustices happening around him, past traumas, and other people. This causes him a lot of pain and can even cause him to make really bad decisions, but it also drives him to try as much as he can to help others and affect positive change in the world around him. Without Finn, the gum war would have happened, the humans would still be on their islands, and new death would very likely have been able to eventually tear apart the dead worlds and destroy the circle of death and rebirth. Jake, on the other hand, didn't seem to care much about what was happening on Founder's Island, thought that the gum wars might not wind up being so bad, and was willing to just hang out in the 50th dead world until Finn had been through however many more reincarnations it would have taken him to ascend to his level.
jake and simon could both be. there would be thousands of catalyst comets for all the millions of years the earth had been around therefore it would be reasonable to think that many possible parties involved could have been.
Thats a really good theory A tiny thing you did get wrong is that finn's commet time wasnt known but we do know he was the most recent one from farmworld having the blue one miss because of the ice earth
alright i have nowhere else to sahre this with but in the last episode that came out simon showed off an ANCIENT map of ooo that had its own form of magic and everything! id imagine that times magic being around more occult, or theistic, and even more medivel
Even if Simon isn't the yellow comet, there's one every thousand years right? If Ooo is on an Earth like our own that's 4 million comets give or take a millennium
So if all those comers still had incarnations in Simon's time (which they likely don't, time passes between incarnations), then that means there would be 4 million individuals with the essence of catalyst comets, across of the likely tens of trillions of entities on Earth, not just humans or animals. Honestly, should make one realize that while powerful and influential, the comets aren't actually AS special as the fans have made them out to be, they add a little bit of change with each impact, they don't entirely reroute history all on their own.
I dont think it's that deep to be honest. It's just that Simon has been able to live and affect the worlds for 1000+ years. Imagine a world where Ice King didnt find Marceline in the apocolypse? This time, it's Marceline's absense that is the pivotal moment for our timeline. Odds are, Simon wouldn't have anyone to stop him from using the crown all of the time as he didnt have anyone to care for and he would have gone bonkers way sooner. We dont know what exactly that could do, but that's the whole point. Take in or take out an entire aspect of life will drastically alter everything about that universe. Prismo said it best. These universes where Simon was either absent, dead, or whatever else are just products of some other decisions that someone wished into existence. It's basic butterfly effect.
Except for the fact that Abraham Lincoln is there for the yellow comet, he obtained a temporary form of Immortality from a bargain with Death, he was born he was in our world, he wasn't there in ancient times.
I think the comit IS Simon Petrikov Because in Adventure Time Distant Lands We don't see Jake shapeshift into the comic to resemble his past life So it is quite likely Simon!
I have a theory related to simon. so since the Winter King is a simon petrikov by technicality, does that mean Simon is bi? the Winter King is shown to have an attraction to both men and women (eg: kissing fionna, considering kissing simon) and since, in all universes, there are parallels with marcy and bonnie having crushes on eachother in some way, even in the 'monsterworld.' (somewhat shown by Bonnie saying 'it'd be so easy to stake you,' showing her hesitance.) since marcy and bonnie have a continous consistency in their worlds with their sexualities, does that relate to simon? this is easily the stupidest theory i've ever made but easily my favorite.
SPOILERS FOR FIONNA AND CAKE SPOILERS FOR FIONNA AND CAKE READ AT YOUR OWN RISK Okay so I believe this theory gets borderline confirmed during the season finale as Simon gets transferred to the mind of Shermy, who has been confirmed as a reincarnation of the catalyst comet, we assumed it was Finn, however the existence of the Finn Sword in Future Ooo was a bit of a mystery as 2 of the same reincarnations existing at once doesn’t work (See fern dying) but 2 different catalyst comets (Finn Sword - Blue, Shermy - Yellow) does work, and Simon being transferred to specifically Shermy would make more sense in turn
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I think Simon being the yellow catalyst comet makes more plot sense than Jake, because it was the one Orgalorg (i.e. Gunther) originally attempted to intercept.
And that's why Gunther is obsessed with becoming Ice king i.e. Simon i.e. Comet 🤯
Lich, Simon, and Finn/Fionna are also always the core three characters that have bounce into each other the most, without even knowing it. The lich is created by the mushroom war, Simon is forced to become the Ice King to endure/prevent it, and Finn is born from Simon’s actions.
Or it’s a red flag and Huntress Wizard is the yellow comet.
What is the strangest outcome is how Fionna and Simon do get tangled up into a romance while we are constantly given hints of HW’s early demise throughout their mini-series.
My only thing is the fact that we don't know what happens to him at the end of Fionna and cake just yet, we don't know if he dies immediately, lives and dies of old age, or doesn't die at all. If he becomes immortal, then he doesn't reincarnate. We don't see him in the dead worlds, so either he reincarnated or he didn't die.
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Holy shit, he definitely could be this comet dudes
Especially since Finn and Jake are confirmed to be a pair of souls that always reincarnate together, the comets are a thousand years apart so it wouldn’t work
Orgalorg molested jake when he was in penguin form so it makes more sense jake is the yellow commet 😳
I like the idea why Simon is so important is because he's the First True Scholar of Golb because of Betty
Nah, the primordials lived wayyyy before then
@@Tricky569yea, but they all followed old golb, not golbetty
The new scholar
@@treores1663 So golb exists outside of time.
In other words, it does not percieve past, present, or future as different things, those are meaningless concepts of reality to it.
Betty was always an incomprehensible chaos goddess or well a fragment of one, she just didn't realize it until the mortal shell vanished. But the full Golbetty would have always known, for this was always true to it.
The lich was studying the shadow on the wall of Golb, just the fact that it's the waiting maw of entropy. Maybe depressed lich asked golb what it actually wanted and got and answer it wasn't ready for.
@@woomod2445interesting anything else about Glob??
I think the idea of Jake being a catalyst comet can immediately be ruled out on account of the fact that Jake was able to reach the 50th Dead World, achieving inner peace and ending his reincarnation cycle, and it took the influence of Finn, a known catalyst comet, to bring him back out and start his reincarnation cycle again. If Catalyst Comets are supposed to impose some new effect on the world forever, that would imply that Jake would be destined to reincarnate indefinitely.
Ironically, this also means that since Finn is a catalyst comet, the two of them can never achieve their goal of reaching the 50th Dead World together, unless Finn’s indefinite reincarnation cycle could be theoretically ended by the obliteration of Ooo, at which point there would be no world left for him to have an effect on As a Catalyst Comet.
Personally I think “ice king” Simon after leaving marceline found 99% of the magical items around ooo, as for why…. Most of them were from around the world, even the encirideon was something he found and brought to the region, we also see in timelines where Simon dies, wizards aren’t really a thing , like in the stars huntress wizards just a human , my theory is he just kinda was the foundation for the magic community , acting as a refrence as they branched out into diffrent schools before becoming independent types of magic , and we saw in a extremely early episode that Ice cubes full of objects are just scattered around including magical buisness men , so maybe people kept Robbing ice king or he kept leaving them in random places and basicly set the foundation for a magic filled ooo, obviously the items he mentioned in the episode that he couldn’t find were either guarded or off planet
Who knows, maybe Simon is a Catalyst Comet that we've never seen before? I mean, if a catalyst comet falls to earth every 1000 years, then it's safe to assume that *way* more than the 4 we saw in Adventure Time went to earth.
That's the thing. How many have hit Ooo? I'm so curious about their history and all the impacts they made.
@@PaintedLive
One more question for people to solve.
Also, we now *know* from episode 8 of Fionna and Cake that Simon and Betty went looking for the enchiridion together, but one thing that bugs me is that it's never revealed to us just *how* long it took for them to locate, get, and bring the enchiridion back with them.
@natecorporation I want to assume it didn't take very long. Few weeks, few months.
@@PaintedLive
Probably took about as long as betty's planned trip to the outback, so like... 6? months. I need to re-watch that episode again.
@@PaintedLive well earth is billions year old
The answer is simple, Simon's one-and-only fused with a timeless and all-powerful entity, who is probably able to manipulate his fate across all worlds to fulfill her one wish; to keep him safe.
The fact he's not in any dead world we saw in together again could be cause he reincarnaited or something
My theory is that Yellow prob the neutral-ish comet out of the 4 and had the most freedom while not being tied to a destined task (Like Blue is to save the earth/life while Green tries destroys life, Purple prob have some purpose but abandons his task)
It still comes to earth yet it doesnt have an impact in the world right away until it unknowingly/want to make something happen which indicates the element of choice.
i think simon has a large role in most other universe's history is because he was the only magical person around before the mushroom war
He wasn't the only one. There were elementals before mushroom war
@@hiiamjustacoolrandomuser168there were also demons n monsters n vampires
@@hiiamjustacoolrandomuser168 Yes. But they had been laying dormant with their powers for quite a while, or atleast in that specific time-frame.
Most of the vampires, being implied to have existed long before, would've also been hidden from the outside world in some way shape or form. (Applies to the demons & monsters aswell)
So the Ice Crown & Mushroom Bomb were practically the only two magical objects with note-worthy power.
Honestly, it would be a pretty ironic fate for Orgalorg to fall to earth and be forced to serve the very comet he’d tried to usurp 😂
To become the very thing he tried to absorb, in this case, the Ice Thing.
Simon's humility and kindness are what change the world. He keeps the crown in check where others run rampant with power. His kindness changes Marceline's fate. Simon's story is one of the kind of impact anyone's choices can have, regardless of fate or lack thereof.
In Lich World Simon wasn't wearing the Ice crown when he died.... Kind of makes me think that if he was he would have lived....
Doubt it, bro became a skeleton
@@idioticlightskeleton ice king
@@deangeloenriquez1603 new sans au
The Lich World is because of the Lich wishes in the original series, we know this because he has the exact same design.
@@austinmai356 Yeah, and Simon not having his crown on may have been because of the wish.... (It somehow got inside the drums, so I'm suggesting that the crown would have protected him from the Lich's wish if he was wearing it... Prismo knowing this probably stuck it in the drums to remove this protection.)
So yeah my theory was more about how powerful the crowns magic is.
I mean we also gotta be careful of sample bias, there's an infinite number of universes but we only see the universes with an active magic crown and universes seen around the same time as canon - so 1000 years from Mushroom War (if the war ever happens)
That's filtering a lot of the universes where worlds are perfectly fine without Simon simply by virtue those worlds not having an active magic crown
The problem to me resides in the fact that we don't know enough about these Catalyst Comets to make a conclusion. Like, does every universe have catalyst comets? Is the change they bring always similar to every universe? It's so mysterious and fun to think about and come up with ideas and link things together.
But we lack the full understanding of these comets, and im sure their vague explanations so far are on purpose. Thus, this being a theory.
New head cannon, simon is a catalyst comet.
I'm not entirely sure! Either he is, and the reason we don't see him in the dead worlds, is because he is reincarnated, or he isn't and the reason we don't see him is because he didn't die.
@@burnt_0range319maybe Betty made him immortal
I like the idea that reincarnations of the catalyst comets are particularly impactful people in the world and people in it
Jake can’t be the comets or anyone we see in the Death episode, because comets r force to reincarnate like Finn. Jake just choose to.
Are they forced to?
It seemed like Finn could have stayed dead if he wanted to
@@thebobbrom7176 Yeah I think it's probably more like finn would just always choose to reincarnate because it's in his nature rather than him being "forced" to
@@michaelhussey8603 Yeah that's how I read it too
In my opinion, Simon being a Catalyst Comet would kinda ruin what he's already done, and what the multiple realities theming and concept are trying to imply. The worlds are implying that Simon is an integral piece of the world's puzzle because of his choices and actions he's taken, like the theming of every protagonist in a multiverse plotline-- where most of the time the lesson is that the choices that we make every day is what makes the realities we live in special.
Well him being a catalyst comet would fit exactly into that
@@ApolloTheSunionno. If Simon is a catalyst comet, then every action is destined. No matter what choice is, something important still will happens, because comets are destined to do that
@@maplered5042 exactly, if he were then the decisions he's made were already set in stone, like what he was going through internally was just part of the process-- that would suck the emotional resonance in his actions and emotions (taking care of Marcy instead of not affecting her life in a meaningful way is a good example)
@@ii8thecookies Not everything is predetermined and comets can have their destinies changed, as happened to Lich who became a baby and will never carry out his plan again so even though these comets carry changes and purposes they are not tied to fate
This is how I feel with all of this AU stuff essentially. It's so much more boring if this kind of stuff is always fated to happen no matter what in every universe, character agency what's that we need prophecies because that's not boring as shit right. I don't know why people want this.
Yellow Catalyst comet being Simon came before the Green one, and I would postulate that the Ice Elemental that created the crown was one of Simon´s reincarnations, and each subsequent reincarnation obtains the crown (Santa Claus, Norse kid, and Simon himself). It could also work since the Ice Elemental shares the same voice actor with Simon.
Not to be rude, but That doesnt make sense. the Evergreen reincarnated into Patience St. Pim. both her and simon were born in the 20th century, and neither patience nor simon died, so its not possible for one of them to reincarnate into the other
I was reading thought thw comments and I was surprised to see no one mentioning how the remote was specifically programmed to track world's with the ice kings crown, and how this would lead to a greater presence of Simon and his impacts hence this search.
So I saw another theory at one point that said that reincarnation in the adventure Time world is just baseline, and for those that are finished reincarnating, they go to golb to seek the absolute end. We see this when Finn jumped off his tongue and exited the pillow world in that one fort epsiode when we first saw golb. Finn chose to go see jack again after dying in another world. I think Jake is just one of those every day regular Joe reincarnations, and maybe Simon is the yellow comet well Finn is the blue. They seem to have a lot more impact on the world and I agree that Jake might not have the same effect without Finn. I believe Jake just chooses to reincarnate with Finn, like he did an obsidian, even though he could’ve stayed resting, where Simon, the lith, and finn will continue to to keep the world on course by being brought back
Seemingly aswell that the crown itself and Simon are always connected, every version of Simon seemingly wears the crown and is the only one to be recognized as the crowns wearer despite the crown having multiple hosts...
Also how Prismo says that he's destined to be the ice king and how even the lich recognize then refers to him as the ice wizard...
It seems no matter what Simon is destined to be the one to wear the crown.
It reminds me of Eddie and Venom somewhat, despite all the hosts it's Eddie that *is* Venom then at one point once he's free from Venom he has a similar reaction as Simon that is he hated being with Venom even to the point he hunted down Venom when Flash had it...
But soon enough he grew to somewhat miss it again like an addiction or alcoholic relapse similar to Simon... he became Venom once again like there was no way for them to be permanently separated forever as long as Eddie lived...
Granted this isn't exactly a perfect comparison but it's very similar to me
1:50 interesting fact. The lich from this episode is very likely our original lich, and the universe is probably the one from seasons 1-5.
If you want to know why-
Original lich - wished for simply all life to go away
Fin- wished for the lich to never have existed, changing the past not the present. Created a second timeline
Jake- wished also for the changing of the past, so it very likely that his wisb of changing the lichs wishes, created a timeline where the lich got his wish and one where he made the alter version of jake wish.
I can see that you also are a great shipper and cant stop thinking about the great Bubbline
Jake would be a criminal if it wasn’t for Finn. The yellow one definitely has so be Simon. Great theory!!
Here’s an odd (probably inaccurate) sudo-theory about the Catalyst Comets and that would be supported by Simon being the yellow comet:
Current reincarnations of the comets and those connected to them consistently interact.
The lich’s comet leads to the crown’s creation, which Simon finds allowing him to interact with Finn in the distant future. Farmworld Finn get the Crown while Farmworld jake becomes the lich. The first time we see Golb in the show is when Finn dies of old age in pillow world, and the lich is his ‘last scholar’, while Betty fuses with him.
There’s probably more of these mad connections you could make, but the idea is somewhat there…
EMositeCC also has a yt channel! They just uploaded a vid about Simon and Betty a few days ago
Wouldn't yellow have come before green? Since all the other comets seem to arrive in their rainbow order. Maybe he was once Wintergreen. Orgalorg seemed to be really invested in the yellow comet, and since Orgalorg is Gunther, that could lend some credence to the theory.
yeah the time thing doesnt really matter since they can just reincarnate until the nexus events...
sucky thing about that shermy and beth theory is its 1000 years later or less im not exactly sure but then simons reincarnation is gonna be drastically different than who he is now, just like how shoko and finn are 1 reincarnation apart but bubblegum couldnt even see the resemblance in them other than the lost arm.
I think PB could see the similarities she just didn't talk about it.
In the final we see that PB sees her when she looks at Finn
it doesn't make sense for Jake to be the yellow catalyst comet because it's only because of finn does he rencarnates. Simon on the other hand makes sense because in every world that worlds simon has a positive or negative effect due to his actions and when simon is reintroduce to the world a drastic change happens and you see the effects Simon has on the other world.
same with fiona and cake it makes sense that they would effect the worlds they visit since their world was hidden in Simon's head.
The Cometa aren't consistent with each other
Blue (Finn's) started reincarnating immediately after hitting Ooo
But Green (Litch's) obtained a Form only after The Mushroom War (by the way, The Litch was in the Bomb, meaning that before Reincarnating he existed in the form of an Object or Inhabited a Material, meaning that Comets may also have the ability to become Objects or Materials)
& The Purple One even choose to not hit the Earth
So The Comet can choose what to do or become
In my opinion the Other Comets that should or supposedly hit Ooo choose different things
Some became Objects, some became Abstract Things, some decided to not obtain a Body (probably) and some decided or where forced to not hit the Earth
My theory for the Yellow Comet is that it isn't Jake but decided to not have a Body, then when Jake decided to Reincarnate then The Yellow Comet merged with him
Farmworld wasn't hit by The Blue Comet but Finn was still born
Also the Litch need a Host but doesn't reincarnate into one (this is seen in Farmworld where The Litch did take over Jake)
So Catalysts Incarnation can both be born without The Comet and become Incarnations later
So my theory is that The Yellow Comet wasn't Jake but Jake became the Yellow Comet
Something to consider is that they were specifically dimension hopping based on one of the gem's in the ice king's crown. Seemingly meaning it was checking for ones where he had worn it in the past, since they all followed that trend, and we know wearing the crown stores an instance of your mind in the crown.
Jake couldn’t be a comet since he comes more or less from an alien
baby finn is totally going to become an awesome vampire hunter
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think catalyst comets tend to be pretty powerful on their own even after reincarnating.
The Lich being an obivous example, but even Finn is overwhelmingly strong for being a human, plus we know that Finn personally prefers keeping a low profile to the point where he locks away his memories of his past lives in his mental vault.
I guess the problem is that we have no confirmed catalyst comets beside those two, so it's hard to tell what they would have in common
Jake's the reason that there's a pup kingdom. I'd say that's enough evidence that Jake's presence impacted history.
But then again, Simon being the yellow comet is equally as cool imo.
The blue fatalist comet actually hit earth after the mushroom war, you can see Finn’s past life as a butterfly in the episode where Pb shares her backstory, Pb picked up the butterfly and showed it to neddy in that episode.
Huge hole in your theory.
1) Prismo sent the gang to that universe in farm world.
2) Simon installs the crown gem to teleport to other verses that involve the crown….and usually him becoming ice king.
It’s not that Simon is a catalyst….it’s because the remote is bringing them to these universes where Simon was involved. Not a pattern at all. Just the remote being directed to what it was programmed for.
You know if he is a catalyst comet, unlike the lich who revitalize magic in the world, perhaps simons catalyst comet was the one that changed the world to a none magic one
that doesnt make sense, the world always had magic, 1. monster exist before everything 2. Prismo exist 3. Golb 4. The Elementals since Evergreen 4. Marceline n her Dad
@@austinmai356they meant what it made it “normal”
Remember the elementals were dampened for a bit because the world wasn’t magical anymore
one man's worth. He's like Charles Xavier he just doesn't know it yet.
i think the blue comet was revealed to have hit earth just after the mushroom bomb exploded, because we see in the farmworld flashback that Simon dies trying to stop the bomb, then the world is enveloped in ice and only then does the catalyst comet even show up (although it does miss that earth, but thats a whole other can of worms)
I think that may have been inconsistent writing considering it was a blue comet and Finn is on farm world.
That or who the comet is and when the comets hit changes in each universe.
Wait, The Blue Comet didn't hit Farmworld but Finn was still born?
Then the only consistent Comet in the Multiverse should be the Litch (probably by the fact He is a Titan/Primordial)
@@PaintedLive the Catalyst Comet is beyond Golb herself, that's why OOO Finn is more impactful than other world finns, Farmworld Finn is just a fragment of his wish, so are the other finns by other people.
Simon is important because he’s the object of love of the God of chaos (golb). It makes sense that just as good is responsible for a huge part of existence in all realities Simon would be too.
There are millions of years in-between the green comet and the the blue comet. So there are a ton of comets that are unaccounted for, and I think one of them was Simon (and maybe Betty too)
You definitely deserve way more subs then you have bro great video keep it up!
We never see Simon in the dead worlds
I never even considered stuff like this. I feel like the creators of the show wanted the yellow comet to be Jake because of his cosmic connection to Finn through multiple different lives so he must be as important. Point 2 is that Jake is yellow, just like how Finn is represented with blue for the blue comet.
I do think jake comin before Finn does make sense, if he came a thousand years before finn it’s no wonder that he got the the last dead world before him. Though I think his alien origins muddy this up, we haven’t seen a catalyst’s reincarnation come from anywhere but earth
Idk, maybe he's just a normal middle age man with his random acts of kindness change the world. I think that has a lot meaning to it because in a world of magical beings a normal guy still have the ability to make a difference.
The name Simon means Reputation and the surname Petrikov originates from a word meaning Little or Small. His little reputation of saving universes?
Well, as long as we know, during mushroom war there was Finn's catalyst comet, and given that the Lich Comet crashed in earth waaaayy before, in the dinosaurs era as we see in the episode of evergreen, that means Lich have been reincarnating since 65 million years ago lmao, so we can assume reincarnating for a catalyst comet could be eternal, so if a catalyst comet crashed 1000 years prior to Finn's comet, that could be Simon.
I really don’t think Simon is a catalyst comet. I think it would ruin his character if he is only important due to his previous incarnation as a comet. I think what makes Simon so important is what he majored in on Ooo. In his time, he was the only person on the planet besides Betty (who took a liking to the subject because of Simon) to really delve into the supernatural others could never imagine of doing. I think because he found the crown he altered history. It shows with how much he’s done in the show thanks to the crown. For one it let him live thousands of years. Two, Marciline learned to love and care for others thanks to Simon when all she felt was destain and unimportance from her parents. Finally three, his link to the powerful entities and their importance. Simon is one of the few mortals and maybe even beings in all of adventure time who interacted with cosmic entities on a regular. Others like Finn only do so because he is destined to do so or at least compelled too. Simon however learned all he could about mysterious beings and was the only human to stand in the same void as the Lich and Golb and survive. Simon is important because of the choices he made. It’s even stated by him in the final episode of Fiona and Cake when he relived a moment with Betty, that instead of getting here to stay he would go with her. This one decision is something he realized could have changed everything. Maybe not the mushroom war, but definitely history later on when it calls for them.
Considering a catalyst comet hits the planet every thousand years- literally every character would be one lol
Simon is based and a huge W.
The Lich wasn't created by a comet. He is a primordial and he existed before the Universe and before time itself.
Yes, but He reached the Earth in the Form of a Catalyst Comet (The Green Comet)
@@aleanddragonITA So, what? That has nothing to do with my statement or the video's statement.
The petrikov effect, sounds better.
the universe where the lich destroyed all life is the same universe we follow during the first 4 seasons of the show-- you're seeing the lich's prismo wish (that's why he's still wearing billy and the BMO recording shows it as an instantaneous event)
what if betty was the comet? since arguably without her infuence he wouldnt have found certain things the way he did.she tended to give him a nudge at times...like her deciding to jump forward in time or join him on the trio and leave that letter for him to find when despite him thinking of her...he probably wouldnt hve made the first move. and without betty to ground him and him thinking he messed up he might not have been in the area to find marcy as well as unstable enough to keep wearing the crown
I mean lets look at the facts here Jakes commet wouldn't have landed before the mushroom war and on top of that gunter tries to intercept the yellow commet symbolizing even more a connection to simon i think this theory is probably correct
I've wished we got a bit more on the Catalyst comets like see the existence of other comets like a Red Comet representing either Golb, Betty, or Flame Princess, or how about a Grey Comet that represents Marceline, etc. I just think the Catalyst comets are so interesting due to the impact they have to the lore of Adventure Time, so PLEASE Ward, give us more LORE!
I truly believe adventure time is about Simon not Finn and Jake, he was the protagonist before the protagonist even existed
When you think about the implications of lich world, if ALL life is dead, that would mean bacteria as well, which would explain why the treehouse is just dried and eroded and so is the grass. Wasn’t that wish made over a decade ago in universe?
I think regardless of theories about the show itself, the oldest something is the more effect it can have on the future, specially if they can survive for a long time.
The only thing I would say is that is that we are only shown universes where the crown existed, specifically simons ice crown (since there could have been timelines where the crown wasn’t “set” to crazy ice guy mode). To me this implies that simon isn’t as much of a constant as the hero (Finn) or the death (litch) comets. However we do see Finns reincarnation always accompanied by someone implying that either jake is the comet or the friendship is so close that it transcends reincarnation. I do think it is more likely that the yellow comet is the one responsible for swapping the world from magical to mundane and doesn’t necessarily need to have a living avatar.
The reason Simon is so important is because we’re tracking the ice crown. If we weren’t tracking the ice crown they’d probs be countless timelines
I'm certain that the order of comets is Green, Yellow, then Blue, since Orgalorg when they get cast down to earth after trying to eat the yellow comet shows up throughout human history, and in Marcy's retelling of the Farmworld timeline we see the blue comet miss Earth after Simon freezes it, meaning the blue comet shows up after the Mushroom War.
I think there might only be Catalyst Comet 1 and Catalyst Comet 2. Like. Everywhere, everyone, forever.
I don't think Jake is any sort of catalyst comet. Jake, as a character, is _way_ too passive to really ever be considered an agent of change. Jake is important, don't get me wrong, but his importance to big events is only really in relation to decisions that Finn makes. Jake has some impact on his own, but 9/ 10 times it's Finn making the big, world-altering decisions and Jake is just along for the ride. This also goes a long way towards explaining why it is that Jake was able to so easily achieve nirvana and get to the 50th death world. He's passive. He goes with the flow. Finn, on the other hand, has an extremely difficult time letting go of things like injustices happening around him, past traumas, and other people. This causes him a lot of pain and can even cause him to make really bad decisions, but it also drives him to try as much as he can to help others and affect positive change in the world around him. Without Finn, the gum war would have happened, the humans would still be on their islands, and new death would very likely have been able to eventually tear apart the dead worlds and destroy the circle of death and rebirth.
Jake, on the other hand, didn't seem to care much about what was happening on Founder's Island, thought that the gum wars might not wind up being so bad, and was willing to just hang out in the 50th dead world until Finn had been through however many more reincarnations it would have taken him to ascend to his level.
Also known as The Butterfly Effect lol
jake and simon could both be. there would be thousands of catalyst comets for all the millions of years the earth had been around therefore it would be reasonable to think that many possible parties involved could have been.
what looks like a comet (or just a flamming ball) can be seen in the Scarab's possession
Thats a really good theory
A tiny thing you did get wrong is that finn's commet time wasnt known but we do know he was the most recent one from farmworld having the blue one miss because of the ice earth
Interesting
alright i have nowhere else to sahre this with but in the last episode that came out simon showed off an ANCIENT map of ooo that had its own form of magic and everything! id imagine that times magic being around more occult, or theistic, and even more medivel
Many people believe the Yellow comet is Jake because he is Yellow
Simon is the reincarnation of the green catalyst commit along side the lich, just as shoko was also reincarnation of the blue? just an idea.
Even if Simon isn't the yellow comet, there's one every thousand years right? If Ooo is on an Earth like our own that's 4 million comets give or take a millennium
So if all those comers still had incarnations in Simon's time (which they likely don't, time passes between incarnations), then that means there would be 4 million individuals with the essence of catalyst comets, across of the likely tens of trillions of entities on Earth, not just humans or animals.
Honestly, should make one realize that while powerful and influential, the comets aren't actually AS special as the fans have made them out to be, they add a little bit of change with each impact, they don't entirely reroute history all on their own.
Wouldn't there be a catalyst comet for the elementals? ☄️
Its not Simon thats important Evergreen's crown
I dont think it's that deep to be honest. It's just that Simon has been able to live and affect the worlds for 1000+ years. Imagine a world where Ice King didnt find Marceline in the apocolypse? This time, it's Marceline's absense that is the pivotal moment for our timeline. Odds are, Simon wouldn't have anyone to stop him from using the crown all of the time as he didnt have anyone to care for and he would have gone bonkers way sooner. We dont know what exactly that could do, but that's the whole point. Take in or take out an entire aspect of life will drastically alter everything about that universe. Prismo said it best. These universes where Simon was either absent, dead, or whatever else are just products of some other decisions that someone wished into existence. It's basic butterfly effect.
I think the Yellow Comet was actually the earliest comet, and that the order goes Yellow - Green - Blue - Purple
Except for the fact that Abraham Lincoln is there for the yellow comet, he obtained a temporary form of Immortality from a bargain with Death, he was born he was in our world, he wasn't there in ancient times.
Huh...neat
We see a new comet in the last episode.
A red comet with 4 green eyes.
We see the comet in the litches eyes.
Glob was the first comet
That is not a comet that is just golb
I think the comit IS Simon Petrikov
Because in Adventure Time Distant Lands
We don't see Jake shapeshift into the comic to resemble his past life
So it is quite likely Simon!
Isn’t the Yellow Comet Jake?
I have a theory related to simon. so since the Winter King is a simon petrikov by technicality, does that mean Simon is bi? the Winter King is shown to have an attraction to both men and women (eg: kissing fionna, considering kissing simon) and since, in all universes, there are parallels with marcy and bonnie having crushes on eachother in some way, even in the 'monsterworld.' (somewhat shown by Bonnie saying 'it'd be so easy to stake you,' showing her hesitance.) since marcy and bonnie have a continous consistency in their worlds with their sexualities, does that relate to simon? this is easily the stupidest theory i've ever made but easily my favorite.
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Okay so I believe this theory gets borderline confirmed during the season finale as Simon gets transferred to the mind of Shermy, who has been confirmed as a reincarnation of the catalyst comet, we assumed it was Finn, however the existence of the Finn Sword in Future Ooo was a bit of a mystery as 2 of the same reincarnations existing at once doesn’t work (See fern dying) but 2 different catalyst comets (Finn Sword - Blue, Shermy - Yellow) does work, and Simon being transferred to specifically Shermy would make more sense in turn