I bought this very Ruger rifle four weeks ago and topped it with a Vortex Optics Viper HS 4-16x44 Rifle Scope. I had the exact same grouping issue with 55 grain bullets. Switched out to 62 and 69 grain and the groups tightened up significantly - to a .54 group at 100 yards. This rifle seems to be particular about ammo.
@@feoxorusI wouldn't call a 1:8 a fast twist bro... Should be able to shoot 55s, yes ne nerds diff ammo but he ought to be able to shoot every weight relatively well. Remington UMC sucks no matter the weight
I have never been able to get any rifle to group under 2 inches with REM UMC 55 loads. It’s a blasting load. The 8 twist will stabilize up to 80 grain bullets. I have 2 different rifles w the 8 twist and they really like the 77 grain match kings and the 73 gr Berger’s.
Try different factory ammo. 1:8 twist 223/5.56 barrels tend to prefer heavier bullet weights. Maybe 60 grains or heavier. Clean the barrel thoroughly then foul the barrel. Try different ammo. See how it performs. Thanks for the vid.
Incorrect. 55gn will stabilise beautifully in 1-8" barrels in .223. If the rifle is very long throated, as in a 556 chambering, the bullet has a very long jump to the rifling. Even with 62, 70, 75gn etc, with that short internal length AR mag, you need to deep seat to get the loaded rounds into the mag. Just the way it is. Buy the 223 next time.
@@gw5436 You do realize there is such a thing as harmonics in a barrel right? Why hand loaders can typically get better accuracy because they are basically timing the barrel with bullet weight, powder and seat depth. Factory loads aren’t all the same. My Ruger AR with 1:8 twist doesn’t like UMC ammo either, it slings Federal American eagle 55gr much better. However it much prefers Winchester 62gr and PMC X-tac 62gr . PMC X-tac 55gr, UMC 55gr, frontier 55gr , Federal American eagle 55gr, Prvi 55gr all hold different groups out of my 1:8 twist. …. You can’t just buy a rifle and expect the same results from the same weight of bullets from all manufacturers, it doesn’t work that way. Out of all the rounds I’ve tried my rifle likes 62gr Federal green tip over any of the 55gr . Your rifle can and will likely be different.
I just got the gen 1 about three weeks before the gen 2 came out. Got to say I love my ranch rifle. I only tried 55 grain PMC and 77 grain from IMI. The 77 grain is 1/2 inch at 100. The 55 def opens up. But not as bad as that. I was bench shooting only on a bag and not a sled. Thanks for all the great videos
Copy on the sled. If a good group shows up on a sled, it was an accident. I Watched a client try to shoot off of one with his ..300 WM. I stopped him after the second 3 shot group gave him my bald eagle rest with a rear rabbit ear bag, a couple used dryer sheets on the front and rear bag. Set up the front return to battery stop so the gun came home and never left natural point of aim. Had him keep his hand off the forearm and dry fire around ten rounds till the reticle didn't move all the way through the follow through. His groups went from 1.25" appx to .75".
The dryer sheets, used ones are best, replaced what the BR shooters used to use talcom powder. It makes the bags slick allows the rifle to recoil straight back with no drag or friction.@@Smashy2u
I have a Ruger american.308 and a Ruger American ranch in 5.56. had the same issues with both, sighting in with cheap bulk ammo and groups where terrible! I group tested higher quality ammo and groups improved drastically! Don't be too discouraged with that rifle, it will shoot better with different ammo. After group testing, my 5.56 went from 3 inch groups with ball ammo to sub 1 inch with Hornady 55g varmint express. 308 went from about 4 inch with ball ammo to about an inch with Hornady 150g superformance sst. Hope you get the same results as I did, and thanks for the great videos.
It’s like luck of the draw on picking ammo with a new rifle. Might pick something it loves or hates. Sometimes get lucky and get one that slings pretty much everything well. And I learned long ago it doesn’t matter the brand. Years ago I bought a Tikka for hunting, scope that cost more than the rifle and bought high dollar rounds with Barnes bullets because everyone was saying they are the best. Slinged those loads like dog crap and got mad and sold it scope and all for a pretty good loss. Was slinging rounds with the guy who bought it and he brought it out and was punching a ragged hole with it. Didn’t do a damn thing but different rounds and sighted it in..
As soon as you showed what ammo you were using I said aloud “oh no”. Garbage stuff meant for mag dumps and not much else. Take the van off and try again. If it still won’t group worth a crap, change the scope and see if something happened to it.
@@feoxorus I was younger and dumber at the time. My range is a pasture and I had never been to an actual gun range at that time.. I did ask others to look at it, but they were the ones telling me the Barnes rounds was the best (not saying Barnes suck, because I since have another rifle that likes them).. I chalk it up to an expensive education and I damn sure learned my lesson.. lol. Since then I’ve always bought 5 of 6 different loads (if there is that many) that will work for the intended use of the rifle when buying a new rifle.. I’ve also found even factory match rounds will vary lot to lot. Getting schooled up on reloading now that I have time to actually do it.
Man i had the same thing happen to me t3x ss 308 considering it was my 4th tikka i knew it was the gun, i replaced it with a ctr ina 308.@lanejohnson7656
Ok bought a Ruger American Ranch 556 and took it to the range. The gun was all over the place. Spoke to several vet friends but really didn't get any answers. Took it home cleaned it real good and returned. Grouped really well. Had to be the manufacturing oil coating.
It sure doesn’t seem to like the bulk 55 gr .223, those groups remind me of groups printed with a cheapy AR 16 in carbine, hoestly I have a couple PSAs that could approximate those spreads.
I would have stopped shooting that 55 grain UMC after the first 15 shots and switched to a different ammo. Chasing a bad load is a recipe for frustration.
Hey brother, that ammo is 2+ moa ammo. Get you some Hornady VMAX factory ammo for your sight-in work. Additionally, it's going to take about 100 rounds of any ammo before that barrel settles in. Burn that UMC to season the bore, do a cleaning of the CHAMBER only, dry patch the bore, then use the VMAX. I think you'll be surprised.
I'm sure it wasn't the case because you put your equipment together real well, but I've seen loose scope mounts do exactly this same thing. I do suspect, though, it's the bullet and twist rate.
Check the factory installed rail. Unfortunately, there are some rifles getting through quailty control that dont have the scope rail installed properly. Mine was not torqued to spec and didn't have any lok-tite on the screws. Once that was corrected, it shot like a dream.
Last month I got the Savage 110 in .270. Came with a Vortex 3-12x scope. Accu trigger. Paid $459! For the $$ I figured why not. Been to the range 3 times, at 100 yards I’m getting dime size groups. And that’s with Remington white box. Great rifle and scope. Took me 7 rounds to zero. I can’t complain one bit. Sportsman Warehouse
Savage is the most Savage rifle I've ever owned and consistent grouping in several different calibers in .270 win. in the axis model, 30/06, .300 win mag 111 model, 7mm rem mag in 110 model, .22 win mag short bull barrel, they've all grouped nickel sized 3 shot groups set between 3-8 shots while removing the bolts and bore sighting naked eye and with 3-4 different models and getting the job done with them on 100+ deer a black bear was fail proof pretty much maybe two deer couldn't find ranging from 15 yds out to 300-310 yards longest. I'm no pro hunter by no means but will always cosign for Savage rifles!
I’d say change your ammo first before giving the thumbs down on the Ruger II! Remember it’s only a Ruger economical rifle! Ruger was known for their $22 barrels from some say Shaw or somewhere else? First as I stated earlier change your ammunition!
The poor groups could be that rifle doesn't like the ammo you're using, but the shifting group centers make me think there is a problem with the rifle. Check tightness of scope mounts and bedding screws. Since it's a new scope, try the scope on a different rifle that shoots well. Sometimes scope have internal malfunctions. Bullets of 55 grains should work fine in a 1:8 twist. I have an AR with 1:8 that shoots 55 grain Nosler BTs into .30" groups with my reloads.
@@jackkrimmer3914They went bang, that's fine? Nope. He's not shooting reloads, chasing a new load on a new rifle simultaneously? That's just not going to yield success anytime soon. You ought to know how much different powders, charge weights and boolitt weights effect accuracy.
You’re working against yourself. 55 gr. does not stabilize. Try 60 grs or better. Look carefully at your target and see if the projectiles are going in straight or yawing. Good Luck!!
Looking forward to round two ! you had couple good groups for bulk ammo ! Id like to see with and without the can ! Thanks for keeping it real Who Tee !
there's a mix of excitement and anticipation when trying out a new piece, so I can imagine the letdown when things don't go smoothly. It could be a variety of factors-ammo choice, maintenance, or even just a lemon of a gun.
Every barrel shoots different, I agree to try the heavier pills. Hopefully that helps! I tend to get best results with longer barrels, faster twist rate per caliber and heaviest pills I can load for them. You shoot enough, so surely that makes good sense!
Wow, hopefully it does better with different ammo. I know I would be frustrated with those groups, been there before I feel your pain. Thanks for the honest review though.
1 in 12 is perfect for the 55 gr bullets. With 1 in 7 or 1 in 8, match 55 gr will generally work OK at 100 yards. With the wrong twist, bullet flaws will come out. Good video. On the Gen 1, the free floating barrel would touch the stock. Check for that. Easily corrected.
I recently bought the Gen2 .223 version of the Ruger American with the 20" barrel to be my dedicated varmint rifle. I have not shot any factory ammo as I handload everything but nothing I shot was worse than MOA. My best load groups are under 1.5" @ 200yds. It did get better after about 100 rounds. The fluted barrel disperses heat very well that I have not felt the need to let it cool between groups but I did just out of habit. The bolt is smooth and functions well. Needless to say I am very happy with mine.
I've got so much Hornady V Max 55 grainers hoarded up that if my CZ 527 decided it didn't like it anymore it would probably be cheaper just to get another rifle. Which would probably be a Tikka because they will shoot almost everything sub moa
And that is a valid point👍 in my experience a rifle in GOOD quality Just dont do as bad as this Ruger. Something is not done good enough when they slap this rifle together
I haven’t bought any of these new cheaper guns. I love the older ones myself. As for cost you can still find these old sporterized military rifles for hunting at a great price. I like the original rifles that haven’t been sporterized but the most accurate that I have is a K31 straight pull. These are cheaper now than it cost in 1940s money to make. Just awesome rifles. I have never really used scopes but I’m legally blind in one eye now and wear glasses for the other one lol. Time to start getting a couple. Appreciate your testing of the scopes. Great channel
What we do know about Ruger rifles is that they are very accurate. I’ll bet ya one of my hairy bean bags that there is a heap of different ammo out there that will group nice tight 3 shot and 5 shot groups.
There is no excuse as to why a 1:8 barrel cannot stabilize a 55gr round. If a 1:7 can do it, so can a 1:8. I would understand if it was a 40 gr round and it was being overstabilized, but this is not the case with 1:8. It is designed to be an intermediary between 1:9 which prefers lighter bullets and 1:7 which favors heavier ones.
All rotating objects become more stable the faster they rotate including 224 diameter bullets. Overstabilization is mythology. If you spin something fast enough to exceed it's ability to not deform or come apart from centrifugal force that's the only thing that can cause something to be "over stabilized". It's still not over stabilized it has exceeded its ability to not deform.
A good lesson in how ammo makers don't always verify the performance of their ammo but simply offer bullet weights that look good on paper. I suspect the same is true when it comes to free floated barrels. Sometimes accuracy is greatly improved by adding a pressure post to a free floated barrel sold on reputation alone. Thanks for alerting your viewers of what you discovered with this rifle and ammo combination.
My first immediate reaction was "bad scope," but then you showed those two inch groups. That rifle definitely hates 55 grain bullets. Just for consideration, 55 grain bullets will work best with a 1:10 or 1:12 twist. A 1:8 twist theoretically should work best with 62 to 75 grain bullets, but the rifle should still be able to handle 55 grains a lot better than it did. Will be interesting to see what happens with different bullet weights, so the purchase price was worthwhile just for the information.
I've never managed to get great groups from my lead sled. I believe the reason is that the rifle movement is inconsistent when it recoils. My best groups are using front and rear bags and placing close attention to shoulder pressure on the stock. This lets the rifle slide back consistently on the bags.
Hey bro, I went back and watched the top right group to make sure all 3 rounds hit and I am dead positive that the third shot went almost right thru the second shot hole. If you pay attention, you can watch the hole get slightly deformed after your 3rd shot.
That is a frustrating day at the range. I am glad you show those days too. We are used to seeing you shoot .3 groups. You will get it figured out I am sure. Keep up the good work
Good video and you can tell you were frustrated, it was frustrating, watching it looking forward to finding out what types or what weight of ammo that rifle likes
So I purchased the Gen II. Love it. Ive been using remanned 55 grain .223 for fun. I personally hate scopes.. I put a red dot on mine and it was very reliable at maybe 100 yards but id say this is a ranch rifle.. not a precision shooter. Its accurate and you can sight it to be excellent but I feel this little gun is a workhorse and I personally only see its use for 100-250 yards.
Thank you for the honest review. I also have a Remington 700 (canless) in .223 Rem with 1:8 twist. It shoots tiny groups with Sig Sauer Marksman .223 ammo which is topped with 77 grain Sierra MatchKing bullets. There is obviously some additional cost involved with the SS Marksman ammo, but I sure like the sub-moa groups. I hope your Gen II Ranch rifle responds positively with a different ammo offering. All the best.
WTW my Gen 1 in 5.56 Ranch will shoot .5 inch groups with 68 grain match ammo. That's with my can installed too. With the 55 grain it is 1.5 to maybe an inch if I'm lucky. I think it too has the 1:8 twist.
I have been saying for years, they need to bring back to 1:12 twist for 223 / 556. Your cva 22-250 is 1:12, my older CZ 527 223 is 1:12. They both get 3/4 to 1/2 inch consistently. Almost all hunting ammo in 223 and 556 comes in 50 and 55 grain projectiles. These ammo and rifle manufacturers have to get it together. Either bring back the 1:12 twist or offer more hunting ammo with projectiles in 60 to 70 grain weight. Come on man! 🤣🤣. WTW!
@@nicks2581 they used to be 1:12 twist years ago before they switched to the 1:7. Then they started producing the 1:9 for the general public and then the 1:8. And now you can get them in either 7, 8, or 9 twist.
@@nicks2581 wow, all my 223/ 556 are 1:9 except one bolt in 1:12. I use them for coyotes and prairie dogs. I wish I could find a 16” med barrel with 1:12 twist to switch it out on one of my 556 1:9 barrels.
@@nicks2581 I’m in total agreement. Over and over again I have personally seen 1:12 work great in 40 to 55 grain projectiles, which is what over 90% of 223 / 556 and 22-250 hunting ammo is manufactured in. I understand why the military wants 7 twist for heavy projectiles, but that’s not what’s available to the public for hunting ammo. Good luck with your search.
Surprised that these groups were not considerably tighter. Eager to see how other bullet offerings perform. I expect it to do better with other ammo. I expected it to do well with anything/everything.
Hey just want to chime in with my ruger gen1 ranch experience. I've put around 200 rounds through mine and after getting the best factory ammo groups with 62gr hornady black ammo at under half an inch with a 5 shot group I started load development with the 60gr V-max bullets. I got those shooting .18in 3 shot groups at 100 with no wind essentially *which actually impressed me for a 16in barrel on a "budget" rifle*. Single feeding the 75 gr eld-m I got those to shoot .43in at 100 yards after only trying two different powder charges but due to having to single feed them I haven't done much more with those. If you would like I can give specifics on the load data.
Try black Hills. I went to gun store and bought about every kind of ammo (5-6 types) and the Black Hills was the only ammo that would get sub MOA. everything else was 1.5 or higher. I liked it as all the cheapskates would pass on the Black Hills while I bought box after box. 50 grain V-Max worked just as well as 69 Sierra Match Kings. The guns I used was a Bushmaster Varminter and the Ruger M14 Varmint and Target Model. The barrel compensator balancer device on the Ruger also did not need any adjusting ever.
Kudos for this video showing real life struggles at the range. Looking forward to the follow up testing different loads. Hopefully you find something it likes.
1in 8 twist can be frustrating. Send some 69 or heavier loads through it. That twist is designed for the long range craze. For 55 grain loads, you need a 1 in 10 or 12 twist. Also, pull 5 of those rounds apart and weigh the powder charge. I will guarantee you will find more than a whole grain difference
55 grain ammo is typically AR noise food. Ruger’s quality has sure went south compared to the 90’s. I have an old boat stock Ruger deer rifle from the 90’s, the workmanship is 20 fold better than current production.
Imo quality has come down on everything in the last few decades. My ruger deerstalker is extremely well made. My ruger American is not up to that quality. It has the grittiest bolt I’ve ever seen on a bolt gun. It’s accurate but it feels like it has sand in it. I tend to look at older guns and cars, not the new stuff.
if you could chat with The Real Gunsmith Randy Selby id be willing to bet he could get ya straight pretty quickly. . he is the best ive ever watched on you tube. he knows more about this stuff than anybody
Why do hardly any gun makers put iron sights on rifles anymore? I know a lot of people put optics on their rifles but Iron sights have their practical use also, there should at least be flip up sights on all rifles.
This video is why I still hold pride in having bought the Ruger American Ranch Gen 1 in 5.56mm from two years ago. The example I own and use does like Winchester 55 gr fmj of 5.56mm NATO ammunition. I wasn't so sure about the generation 2's that I had to check it out on RUclips.
I like the way you calmed down, thought about it, and are now planning the next outing. These days, if we put the typical recipe relationships together, we're usually pretty happy. Can't wait to see what different ammo, bullet weights show. As was, there was no way that rifle was going prairie doggin' with me because I'm shooting out to 500yds+ and those groups would just frustrate me all day long! I do have a Ruger American in .243 that shoots 58gr varmint rounds well enough to have fun on the prairie, so I know Ruger can make an entry level rifle that will get that job done. Great vid as usual!
I have the gen I and it is crazy stoopid accurate. I wondered about how gen II would fare. I have a Credo 2-10 x 36 FFP MRAD precision tree which is a great combo with that rifle. edit: Try AAC 77 gr. (with or without Sierra bullets available both ways) also HSM 55 gr Hornady V-max (.223) Hornady black 62 and 75 also does great. ADI 69 grain .223 if you can find it - and the action (at least in the 5.56 version) smoothes out after a couple hundred rounds. Before that it’s hinky.
Hey Hootey. No doubt as you say those groups will shrink with a change of ammo in probably the 64gr to 69gr weight class. But I feel your frustration as you are an excellent shot as seen in all your videos. I had the same problem with a 35 Whelan carbine 7600. It didn't matter what bullet weight or hand load I tried it just wouldn't group under 4"! Sold it and bough another and problem solved. Thanks for sharing mate!
My older 5.56 ranch is .5 to .9 moa 5 shot groups with my 55gr vmax thrown together handloads and 60gr Varminter handloads. 1-8 twist older 5rnd rotary mag. One factory load was pretty bad but I can’t remember which. Only issue Ive ever had with it was, wait for it, a Leupold VX1. Went stop to stop on turrets then re center. Cleared it up. Last group was .65. But, as much as I like Ruger, had a barrel on an American .270 crap out. Ruger wouldn’t tell me why it was bad just it was bad. But now have a 5r barrel on it that is very good. I guess the Americans are hit or miss sometimes. Good luck and take care.
I would recommend starting with removing the rail that came on the rifle, I’ve taken off every single one I ever bought and I’m pretty sure the put at least a quart of oil between it and the receiver lol. I have also found the screw in the rail loose out of the box so, I make it common practice to just take it off from the start and make sure it’s done rite to remove any question from the start.
It's a work in progress. It was bad, then got good, then back to all over the place. My first thought is that you can't over stabilize the pill without it coming apart. Try heavier pills and different ammo. But I agree with your point of bulk ammo and warm barrels. I'll be interested in the follow up videos to see what it can do.
sigogglin. I'm from the mountains of NC. My family use to say that, usually like if a building wasn't square or some kind of lines not straight. I try and use it now but no one else knows what I'm talking about.
I hand load 50 gr vmax seat bullet to mag length. I have the gen 1 5.56, shoot everything from 50 gr to 73gr. Topped with just a 3x9 Burris scope, steal Burris rings. 200 yards just over 1/2” group if I do my part. Tuck and coyote gun. If I miss it’s on me. Also worked the trigger down to 2lbs. Also polished the bolt.
I had issues like that with a Mossberg Patriot in 6.5 Creedmor. After checking all the usual suspects I took off the scope bases and sure enough, the front one was terribly off. I lapped it, put it back on and presto, problem solved. I hope this helps!
I have the same results with my savage msr 15 - 5r barrel 1:8 twist, but with 64 grain 223 hunting ammo and higher its 1/2" + or - all day. Go back down to 55's even quality ammo opens up, the twist rate just limits you to heavier projectiles for hunting or long range, 1:9 is standard for 55's and a little lighter really light needs 1:12
I bought that same gun recently in 7.62x39. I hope that it shoots better than yours did. Maybe different blammo will make a difference for you. There is still time to tighten up those groups. We wait with baited breath for a follow-up video. 😢
Had a Remington 700 with heavy barrel in .223 that grouped like that. Traded it off for an AR-15. My body had the crown redone, and it became a tac driver.
I can't believe they put a 1 in 8" twist on a 223. That gun reminds me of a Ruger Ultralight I had 30-40 years ago. I don't remember what the twist was if I ever knew or even the caliber. All I remember is it wouldn't hit the ground if you dropped it. I tried several factory loads and tried loading for it all to no avail. Sold that little POS quickly. Back then if you bot a .22 caliber anything it had a 1 in 14 twist. I tried some 70 grainers in my 40x and it shot about 3 inches where 55's and 50's shot one half inch.
Hello. I bought this same rifle . About 2 days before I watched this video. And I thought that I screwed up big time. Well, I took my 5.56 to the range and shot over a lead sled with a 120$ sig scope. It didn't shoot the 55 grain hand loads too good. Actually it did ok with 24grn of varget. But didn't do the 26.5 grn too well. So I did a ladder test with 64 grn sierra tipped game kings. Started at 24 grn and worked up to 26.5 grn of varget. It shot much better. And did very well at 26 and 26.5 of varget. Using all new brass. Got .5 inch groups at both 26 and 26.5. I am happy with that. I bet heavier bullets would do good to. Enjoy.
Well now you gotta try 9 thousand different things so the rifle might group right nothing wrong with that rifle its something else for sure lol good luck with it
I have a ruger ar556 with essentially the same barrel. 55 gr bulk cartridges did not make good groups. 62,68,72 gr bthp otm made great groups. It was the ammo that made the difference. Even 62 gr gt did better than the 55 gr. I’d like to get that rifle as a mechanical bolt backup weapon if the AR semi ever has a issue so my 556/223 ammo stockpile is of use……
Someone else may have already commented, but I wonder how it groups without the shusher can. I'd say if it groups well without the can, then that's just unacceptable and defeats the whole purpose of buying it. Thanks for making the purchase and putting out this content. I want to purchase a working-man-friendly bolt gun in .223/5.56, but now I know what not to get - for now.
Sounds frustrating but thank you a whole lot for bringing awareness to these unpleasant facts. Sure saves me some money. Thanks for all the videos and you 2a support.
My Gen 1 loves any 5.56 in 77 or 75 gr. AAC or PMC are the cheapest brands and I'm getting half-3/4" groups at 100 yds 40gr Winchester VarmintX gave me 1" groups at 100 yds 55gr Hornady Vmax gave me 1" groups at 100 yds. Keep the videos coming !
Love to see some good ammo go through it I bet it likes 62 to 75 alot better, Hornady Frontier or Federal Gold metal Match, Remington Core lok, anything but that cheap stuff! Love the channel, cant wait to see some better ammo, i bet it will be awesome with something better!
@@WHOTEEWHO I just bought a Taurus TX 22 n I’m liking it so far, got 2 Springfeild 40 n 10mm n it’s as reliable as they are !! N a lot less recoil n cheaper to shoot !! I’ll be waiting for this video
For each adjustment wouldn't 2 or 3 round eliminate shooter error. Where you placed the first round you dialed the sight down yet the next shot was way high, maybe a second round or third would be prudent to validate the second shot.
Agree that the ammo doesn’t work well in that rifle. I have used the UMC ammo before and found it not very consistent. Please try some hand loads with 75gn or 77gn bullets.
I won't even shoot my new rifles until they have a new stock. I go with the MTD stocks lately. Mainly the XRS Chassis. Off the shelf rifles are ok for short range hunting. But if you want real accuracy you need to upgrade the stock and then shoot every type of ammo to find the top 3. You also need to make sure your scope is mounted correctly. Rings pushed forwards in their slots, things like that.
Did you do a proper barrel break in? My guess is the copper fouling is causing the grouping to get worse. Give the bore a good cleaning with bore solvent and try again. It would probably do better
WTW’s follow up video yielded really excellent groups from this gun with a range of .223 ammo from 55 to 75 grains - basically, either the little Ruger really needed some break-in or the Remington ammo used in this vid is “garbage” (French pronunciation)
I wonder why they changed the twist rate?, i have a gen 1 with a primary arms 1-16x40 acss topped on it 55 gr zero at a 100 which holds under a inch and pucks steel all the way out to 300. It 1:9 twist i guess the old saying is if it isn't broke don't fix it. Love the vids bud keep it up and keep the powder dry
Fluting stresses barrels. That’s why it’s very important to properly stress relieve them afterwards. Also, too deep of fluting can really affect accuracy. This is why most of your barrel manufacturers recommend not fluting them after they have been made, and will only flute to a certain depth on particular contours.
It’s a give and take situation. Yeah it looks awesome, and may help cooling. Although, can cause other issues sometimes. I know Bartlein recommends if you want a lighter barrel, go to a smaller contour.
Ooof, that second sheet isn't a bunch of 2.X groups... that's one 4 MoA target when those are overlaid. Something is off for sure. Interested to see those heavier/longer pills. I'd also leave the can on the bench until the variable is found.
I’m not familiar with all types of ammo, but a lot of 556 ammo has a 4MOA. It’s not designed to shoot the wings off a fly at 100 yards it’s designed to hit a man size target center mass. My AR likes the heavier bullets.
Not great groups. The next bullet weights to be tested may shoot better but my concern would be the groups enlarging when the barrel heats up. The whole reason to do a fluted barrel is to disapate heat. I believe there is a pressure point causing the barrel heat group enlargment.
It’s a 1-8” twist. Probably not going to stabilize the 55. I normally run a 75 grain Hornady eldm in my 1-8” twist 223. I’m wanting to buy the gen 2 ruger ranch rifle in 5.56. Only problem is that none of my gun shops locally can get one from the distributors. So try 69 grain or heavier in that rifle and it will probably shoot fine my friend.😊
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I bought this very Ruger rifle four weeks ago and topped it with a Vortex Optics Viper HS 4-16x44 Rifle Scope. I had the exact same grouping issue with 55 grain bullets. Switched out to 62 and 69 grain and the groups tightened up significantly - to a .54 group at 100 yards. This rifle seems to be particular about ammo.
It's the twist, man. Slow twist and light boolitts, fast twist for heavier.
Glad you said that, I was thinking about his scope because I have had mixed results with Hawke scopes.
@@feoxorusI wouldn't call a 1:8 a fast twist bro... Should be able to shoot 55s, yes ne nerds diff ammo but he ought to be able to shoot every weight relatively well. Remington UMC sucks no matter the weight
Being particular with ammunition is not a quality of a cheap bolt gun I like.
Rather have the 1.0
I have never been able to get any rifle to group under 2 inches with REM UMC 55 loads. It’s a blasting load. The 8 twist will stabilize up to 80 grain bullets. I have 2 different rifles w the 8 twist and they really like the 77 grain match kings and the 73 gr Berger’s.
Don’t fire junk ammo and expect good groups.
Try different factory ammo. 1:8 twist 223/5.56 barrels tend to prefer heavier bullet weights. Maybe 60 grains or heavier. Clean the barrel thoroughly then foul the barrel. Try different ammo. See how it performs. Thanks for the vid.
Berger has a 73 grain and 77 grain 5.56 ammo that work well with 1:8.
I think you got some sound advice in comments from others about the ammo. Best to you!
Not the sharpest tool in the shed lol
Incorrect. 55gn will stabilise beautifully in 1-8" barrels in .223. If the rifle is very long throated, as in a 556 chambering, the bullet has a very long jump to the rifling. Even with 62, 70, 75gn etc, with that short internal length AR mag, you need to deep seat to get the loaded rounds into the mag. Just the way it is. Buy the 223 next time.
@@gw5436 You do realize there is such a thing as harmonics in a barrel right? Why hand loaders can typically get better accuracy because they are basically timing the barrel with bullet weight, powder and seat depth. Factory loads aren’t all the same. My Ruger AR with 1:8 twist doesn’t like UMC ammo either, it slings Federal American eagle 55gr much better. However it much prefers Winchester 62gr and PMC X-tac 62gr . PMC X-tac 55gr, UMC 55gr, frontier 55gr , Federal American eagle 55gr, Prvi 55gr all hold different groups out of my 1:8 twist. …. You can’t just buy a rifle and expect the same results from the same weight of bullets from all manufacturers, it doesn’t work that way. Out of all the rounds I’ve tried my rifle likes 62gr Federal green tip over any of the 55gr . Your rifle can and will likely be different.
I just got the gen 1 about three weeks before the gen 2 came out. Got to say I love my ranch rifle. I only tried 55 grain PMC and 77 grain from IMI. The 77 grain is 1/2 inch at 100. The 55 def opens up. But not as bad as that. I was bench shooting only on a bag and not a sled. Thanks for all the great videos
Thanks for watching
Copy on the sled. If a good group shows up on a sled, it was an accident. I Watched a client try to shoot off of one with his ..300 WM. I stopped him after the second 3 shot group gave him my bald eagle rest with a rear rabbit ear bag, a couple used dryer sheets on the front and rear bag. Set up the front return to battery stop so the gun came home and never left natural point of aim. Had him keep his hand off the forearm and dry fire around ten rounds till the reticle didn't move all the way through the follow through. His groups went from 1.25" appx to .75".
@@johnseptien3138 What are the dryer sheets for?
The dryer sheets, used ones are best, replaced what the BR shooters used to use talcom powder. It makes the bags slick allows the rifle to recoil straight back with no drag or friction.@@Smashy2u
Cool, thanks.
I have a Ruger american.308 and a Ruger American ranch in 5.56. had the same issues with both, sighting in with cheap bulk ammo and groups where terrible! I group tested higher quality ammo and groups improved drastically! Don't be too discouraged with that rifle, it will shoot better with different ammo. After group testing, my 5.56 went from 3 inch groups with ball ammo to sub 1 inch with Hornady 55g varmint express. 308 went from about 4 inch with ball ammo to about an inch with Hornady 150g superformance sst. Hope you get the same results as I did, and thanks for the great videos.
Most basic AR-15 rifles are 2 inch MOA at average. Plus you didn't use match ammo either. Can't always expect fantastic results with regular ammo.
Try it without the can vs with it and bring a bunch of different ammo.
It’s like luck of the draw on picking ammo with a new rifle. Might pick something it loves or hates. Sometimes get lucky and get one that slings pretty much everything well. And I learned long ago it doesn’t matter the brand. Years ago I bought a Tikka for hunting, scope that cost more than the rifle and bought high dollar rounds with Barnes bullets because everyone was saying they are the best. Slinged those loads like dog crap and got mad and sold it scope and all for a pretty good loss. Was slinging rounds with the guy who bought it and he brought it out and was punching a ragged hole with it. Didn’t do a damn thing but different rounds and sighted it in..
@@lanejohnson7656If all else fails, talk to a few old timers at the range because you need good advice - or you'd still have that rifle.
As soon as you showed what ammo you were using I said aloud “oh no”. Garbage stuff meant for mag dumps and not much else. Take the van off and try again. If it still won’t group worth a crap, change the scope and see if something happened to it.
@@feoxorus I was younger and dumber at the time. My range is a pasture and I had never been to an actual gun range at that time.. I did ask others to look at it, but they were the ones telling me the Barnes rounds was the best (not saying Barnes suck, because I since have another rifle that likes them).. I chalk it up to an expensive education and I damn sure learned my lesson.. lol. Since then I’ve always bought 5 of 6 different loads (if there is that many) that will work for the intended use of the rifle when buying a new rifle.. I’ve also found even factory match rounds will vary lot to lot. Getting schooled up on reloading now that I have time to actually do it.
Man i had the same thing happen to me t3x ss 308 considering it was my 4th tikka i knew it was the gun, i replaced it with a ctr ina 308.@lanejohnson7656
Ok bought a Ruger American Ranch 556 and took it to the range. The gun was all over the place. Spoke to several vet friends but really didn't get any answers. Took it home cleaned it real good and returned. Grouped really well. Had to be the manufacturing oil coating.
You’ll set there all day adjusting the scope it won’t help. It sure hates that ammo
It sure doesn’t seem to like the bulk 55 gr .223, those groups remind me of groups printed with a cheapy AR 16 in carbine, hoestly I have a couple PSAs that could approximate those spreads.
*Sit*
I would have stopped shooting that 55 grain UMC after the first 15 shots and switched to a different ammo. Chasing a bad load is a recipe for frustration.
? Group was in the same hole as the bottom left hole
LMAO
Hey brother, that ammo is 2+ moa ammo. Get you some Hornady VMAX factory ammo for your sight-in work. Additionally, it's going to take about 100 rounds of any ammo before that barrel settles in. Burn that UMC to season the bore, do a cleaning of the CHAMBER only, dry patch the bore, then use the VMAX. I think you'll be surprised.
I'm sure it wasn't the case because you put your equipment together real well, but I've seen loose scope mounts do exactly this same thing. I do suspect, though, it's the bullet and twist rate.
Check the factory installed rail. Unfortunately, there are some rifles getting through quailty control that dont have the scope rail installed properly. Mine was not torqued to spec and didn't have any lok-tite on the screws. Once that was corrected, it shot like a dream.
I just ordered one. I'll let you guys know in a few weeks what's up. I also hand load, but will try store bought first.
Thank you!!!
Last month I got the Savage 110 in .270. Came with a Vortex 3-12x scope. Accu trigger. Paid $459! For the $$ I figured why not. Been to the range 3 times, at 100 yards I’m getting dime size groups. And that’s with Remington white box. Great rifle and scope. Took me 7 rounds to zero. I can’t complain one bit. Sportsman Warehouse
Savage guns the barrel is the rifle . And I have a few that prove it .
Savage is definitely building accurate rifles these days....congrats on your shooter
My axis 2 in 308 shoots 1 inch groups at 200
Savage is the most Savage rifle I've ever owned and consistent grouping in several different calibers in .270 win. in the axis model, 30/06, .300 win mag 111 model, 7mm rem mag in 110 model, .22 win mag short bull barrel, they've all grouped nickel sized 3 shot groups set between 3-8 shots while removing the bolts and bore sighting naked eye and with 3-4 different models and getting the job done with them on 100+ deer a black bear was fail proof pretty much maybe two deer couldn't find ranging from 15 yds out to 300-310 yards longest. I'm no pro hunter by no means but will always cosign for Savage rifles!
@@caseyhowell7341 I had a 270 when I was young . One shot one deer . Sorry I sold it . Don't remember the model but it was over 20 years ago .
I’d say change your ammo first before giving the thumbs down on the Ruger II! Remember it’s only a Ruger economical rifle! Ruger was known for their $22 barrels from some say Shaw or somewhere else? First as I stated earlier change your ammunition!
A 1:8 twist should stabilize 70 gr bullets. I run an AR15 with a 223 Wylde chamber and use 65 gr Sierra Game Kings. Good luck and stay safe!!! 😉😉😉
A 1:8 should also stabilize 55gr too. I get better groups out of a 1:7 which is faster on a gas gun lmao.
The poor groups could be that rifle doesn't like the ammo you're using, but the shifting group centers make me think there is a problem with the rifle. Check tightness of scope mounts and bedding screws. Since it's a new scope, try the scope on a different rifle that shoots well. Sometimes scope have internal malfunctions. Bullets of 55 grains should work fine in a 1:8 twist. I have an AR with 1:8 that shoots 55 grain Nosler BTs into .30" groups with my reloads.
@@jackkrimmer3914They went bang, that's fine? Nope. He's not shooting reloads, chasing a new load on a new rifle simultaneously? That's just not going to yield success anytime soon. You ought to know how much different powders, charge weights and boolitt weights effect accuracy.
You’re working against yourself. 55 gr. does not stabilize. Try 60 grs or better. Look carefully at your target and see if the projectiles are going in straight or yawing. Good Luck!!
Looking forward to round two ! you had couple good groups for bulk ammo ! Id like to see with and without the can ! Thanks for keeping it real Who Tee !
there's a mix of excitement and anticipation when trying out a new piece, so I can imagine the letdown when things don't go smoothly. It could be a variety of factors-ammo choice, maintenance, or even just a lemon of a gun.
Every barrel shoots different, I agree to try the heavier pills. Hopefully that helps! I tend to get best results with longer barrels, faster twist rate per caliber and heaviest pills I can load for them. You shoot enough, so surely that makes good sense!
Wow, hopefully it does better with different ammo. I know I would be frustrated with those groups, been there before I feel your pain. Thanks for the honest review though.
Stay tuned
1 in 12 is perfect for the 55 gr bullets. With 1 in 7 or 1 in 8, match 55 gr will generally work OK at 100 yards. With the wrong twist, bullet flaws will come out.
Good video.
On the Gen 1, the free floating barrel would touch the stock. Check for that. Easily corrected.
I recently bought the Gen2 .223 version of the Ruger American with the 20" barrel to be my dedicated varmint rifle. I have not shot any factory ammo as I handload everything but nothing I shot was worse than MOA. My best load groups are under 1.5" @ 200yds. It did get better after about 100 rounds. The fluted barrel disperses heat very well that I have not felt the need to let it cool between groups but I did just out of habit. The bolt is smooth and functions well. Needless to say I am very happy with mine.
I've got so much Hornady V Max 55 grainers hoarded up that if my CZ 527 decided it didn't like it anymore it would probably be cheaper just to get another rifle.
Which would probably be a Tikka because they will shoot almost everything sub moa
And that is a valid point👍 in my experience a rifle in GOOD quality Just dont do as bad as this Ruger. Something is not done good enough when they slap this rifle together
I haven’t bought any of these new cheaper guns. I love the older ones myself. As for cost you can still find these old sporterized military rifles for hunting at a great price. I like the original rifles that haven’t been sporterized but the most accurate that I have is a K31 straight pull. These are cheaper now than it cost in 1940s money to make. Just awesome rifles. I have never really used scopes but I’m legally blind in one eye now and wear glasses for the other one lol. Time to start getting a couple. Appreciate your testing of the scopes. Great channel
What we do know about Ruger rifles is that they are very accurate. I’ll bet ya one of my hairy bean bags that there is a heap of different ammo out there that will group nice tight 3 shot and 5 shot groups.
With it being a 1:8 twist I’d suggest using a heavier bullet.
There is no excuse as to why a 1:8 barrel cannot stabilize a 55gr round. If a 1:7 can do it, so can a 1:8. I would understand if it was a 40 gr round and it was being overstabilized, but this is not the case with 1:8. It is designed to be an intermediary between 1:9 which prefers lighter bullets and 1:7 which favors heavier ones.
@@Gansekommando As an engineer i disagree, i can think of at least 75.5 reasons.
@@Gansekommando1:8 doesn't like lighter rounds. The best for 1:8 is 62-77 grains
1:7 for 69 gr and up
All rotating objects become more stable the faster they rotate including 224 diameter bullets. Overstabilization is mythology. If you spin something fast enough to exceed it's ability to not deform or come apart from centrifugal force that's the only thing that can cause something to be "over stabilized". It's still not over stabilized it has exceeded its ability to not deform.
1-2" groups at 100 yards with bulk ammo is pretty damn good really
A good lesson in how ammo makers don't always verify the performance of their ammo but simply offer bullet weights that look good on paper. I suspect the same is true when it comes to free floated barrels. Sometimes accuracy is greatly improved by adding a pressure post to a free floated barrel sold on reputation alone. Thanks for alerting your viewers of what you discovered with this rifle and ammo combination.
Don't give up on that rifle, it will shoot, another great video!! Thanks for uploading!!
I've had the same problem with Winchester box ammo. Crazy wild shots . Changed to Hornady blacks and did much better.
My first immediate reaction was "bad scope," but then you showed those two inch groups. That rifle definitely hates 55 grain bullets. Just for consideration, 55 grain bullets will work best with a 1:10 or 1:12 twist. A 1:8 twist theoretically should work best with 62 to 75 grain bullets, but the rifle should still be able to handle 55 grains a lot better than it did.
Will be interesting to see what happens with different bullet weights, so the purchase price was worthwhile just for the information.
I've never managed to get great groups from my lead sled. I believe the reason is that the rifle movement is inconsistent when it recoils. My best groups are using front and rear bags and placing close attention to shoulder pressure on the stock. This lets the rifle slide back consistently on the bags.
The UMC ammo may have been the issue with the precision. Looking forward to maybe seeing the results of some different weight rounds.
Great video though, its always good to see the good and the bad. Thanks for keeping things real!
Thanks for watching!
Hey bro, I went back and watched the top right group to make sure all 3 rounds hit and I am dead positive that the third shot went almost right thru the second shot hole. If you pay attention, you can watch the hole get slightly deformed after your 3rd shot.
Yup
@@WHOTEEWHO that would be the last round before stopping to cool the barrel. Hmmm....
That is a frustrating day at the range. I am glad you show those days too. We are used to seeing you shoot .3 groups. You will get it figured out I am sure. Keep up the good work
Thanks for watching
Good video and you can tell you were frustrated, it was frustrating, watching it looking forward to finding out what types or what weight of ammo that rifle likes
So I purchased the Gen II. Love it. Ive been using remanned 55 grain .223 for fun. I personally hate scopes.. I put a red dot on mine and it was very reliable at maybe 100 yards but id say this is a ranch rifle.. not a precision shooter. Its accurate and you can sight it to be excellent but I feel this little gun is a workhorse and I personally only see its use for 100-250 yards.
Man I hope it just hated that particular ammo, thanks for sharing this with everyone.
Thank you for the honest review. I also have a Remington 700 (canless) in .223 Rem with 1:8 twist. It shoots tiny groups with Sig Sauer Marksman .223 ammo which is topped with 77 grain Sierra MatchKing bullets. There is obviously some additional cost involved with the SS Marksman ammo, but I sure like the sub-moa groups. I hope your Gen II Ranch rifle responds positively with a different ammo offering. All the best.
WTW my Gen 1 in 5.56 Ranch will shoot .5 inch groups with 68 grain match ammo. That's with my can installed too. With the 55 grain it is 1.5 to maybe an inch if I'm lucky. I think it too has the 1:8 twist.
I am sure it will do better w different ammo
I have been saying for years, they need to bring back to 1:12 twist for 223 / 556. Your cva 22-250 is 1:12, my older CZ 527 223 is 1:12. They both get 3/4 to 1/2 inch consistently. Almost all hunting ammo in 223 and 556 comes in 50 and 55 grain projectiles. These ammo and rifle manufacturers have to get it together. Either bring back the 1:12 twist or offer more hunting ammo with projectiles in 60 to 70 grain weight. Come on man! 🤣🤣. WTW!
Almost all ARs are 1:7 twists. I would like to see more 1:9 at least as I use mostly nothing but 55gr, with 62gr being the heaviest.
@@nicks2581 they used to be 1:12 twist years ago before they switched to the 1:7. Then they started producing the 1:9 for the general public and then the 1:8. And now you can get them in either 7, 8, or 9 twist.
@@nicks2581 wow, all my 223/ 556 are 1:9 except one bolt in 1:12. I use them for coyotes and prairie dogs. I wish I could find a 16” med barrel with 1:12 twist to switch it out on one of my 556 1:9 barrels.
@@nicks2581 I’m in total agreement. Over and over again I have personally seen 1:12 work great in 40 to 55 grain projectiles, which is what over 90% of 223 / 556 and 22-250 hunting ammo is manufactured in. I understand why the military wants 7 twist for heavy projectiles, but that’s not what’s available to the public for hunting ammo. Good luck with your search.
Pretty clear after the first 3 shots it wasn't going to group well
Surprised that these groups were not considerably tighter. Eager to see how other bullet offerings perform. I expect it to do better with other ammo. I expected it to do well with anything/everything.
Might need to reseat the whole action to the stock. Ensure it's not loose or rubbing where it shouldn't.
Hey just want to chime in with my ruger gen1 ranch experience. I've put around 200 rounds through mine and after getting the best factory ammo groups with 62gr hornady black ammo at under half an inch with a 5 shot group I started load development with the 60gr V-max bullets. I got those shooting .18in 3 shot groups at 100 with no wind essentially *which actually impressed me for a 16in barrel on a "budget" rifle*. Single feeding the 75 gr eld-m I got those to shoot .43in at 100 yards after only trying two different powder charges but due to having to single feed them I haven't done much more with those. If you would like I can give specifics on the load data.
As usual, excellent, honest work. Thanks. 👍😎💯🇺🇦
Appreciate you watching
Try black Hills. I went to gun store and bought about every kind of ammo (5-6 types) and the Black Hills was the only ammo that would get sub MOA. everything else was 1.5 or higher. I liked it as all the cheapskates would pass on the Black Hills while I bought box after box. 50 grain V-Max worked just as well as 69 Sierra Match Kings. The guns I used was a Bushmaster Varminter and the Ruger M14 Varmint and Target Model. The barrel compensator balancer device on the Ruger also did not need any adjusting ever.
I would try some decent ammo. doubt it is the gun.
Kudos for this video showing real life struggles at the range. Looking forward to the follow up testing different loads. Hopefully you find something it likes.
More soon!
Tap the scope with a spent brass where you make your adjustments. It. Helps seat any changes. I'll chase a buulot too!😊
Yes it does I tap it with my bic lighter especially on a 100.00 dollar scope
I use my wallet. I'm afraid of scratching things 😂
1in 8 twist can be frustrating. Send some 69 or heavier loads through it. That twist is designed for the long range craze. For 55 grain loads, you need a 1 in 10 or 12 twist. Also, pull 5 of those rounds apart and weigh the powder charge. I will guarantee you will find more than a whole grain difference
55 grain ammo is typically AR noise food. Ruger’s quality has sure went south compared to the 90’s. I have an old boat stock Ruger deer rifle from the 90’s, the workmanship is 20 fold better than current production.
Imo quality has come down on everything in the last few decades. My ruger deerstalker is extremely well made. My ruger American is not up to that quality. It has the grittiest bolt I’ve ever seen on a bolt gun. It’s accurate but it feels like it has sand in it. I tend to look at older guns and cars, not the new stuff.
if you could chat with The Real Gunsmith Randy Selby id be willing to bet he could get ya straight pretty quickly. . he is the best ive ever watched on you tube. he knows more about this stuff than anybody
Why do hardly any gun makers put iron sights on rifles anymore? I know a lot of people put optics on their rifles but Iron sights have their practical use also, there should at least be flip up sights on all rifles.
Extra manufacturing cost. If you want irons I'd say hunt with lever actions. I hear you, but large majority of ppl don't want irons
I would check the torque on the action screws
This video is why I still hold pride in having bought the Ruger American Ranch Gen 1 in 5.56mm from two years ago. The example I own and use does like Winchester 55 gr fmj of 5.56mm NATO ammunition. I wasn't so sure about the generation 2's that I had to check it out on RUclips.
I like the way you calmed down, thought about it, and are now planning the next outing. These days, if we put the typical recipe relationships together, we're usually pretty happy. Can't wait to see what different ammo, bullet weights show. As was, there was no way that rifle was going prairie doggin' with me because I'm shooting out to 500yds+ and those groups would just frustrate me all day long! I do have a Ruger American in .243 that shoots 58gr varmint rounds well enough to have fun on the prairie, so I know Ruger can make an entry level rifle that will get that job done. Great vid as usual!
I have the gen I and it is crazy stoopid accurate. I wondered about how gen II would fare. I have a Credo 2-10 x 36 FFP MRAD precision tree which is a great combo with that rifle. edit: Try AAC 77 gr. (with or without Sierra bullets available both ways) also HSM 55 gr Hornady V-max (.223) Hornady black 62 and 75 also does great. ADI 69 grain .223 if you can find it - and the action (at least in the 5.56 version) smoothes out after a couple hundred rounds. Before that it’s hinky.
Hey Hootey. No doubt as you say those groups will shrink with a change of ammo in probably the 64gr to 69gr weight class. But I feel your frustration as you are an excellent shot as seen in all your videos. I had the same problem with a 35 Whelan carbine 7600. It didn't matter what bullet weight or hand load I tried it just wouldn't group under 4"! Sold it and bough another and problem solved. Thanks for sharing mate!
Well it can only get better. Looking forward to round 2.
My older 5.56 ranch is .5 to .9 moa 5 shot groups with my 55gr vmax thrown together handloads and 60gr Varminter handloads. 1-8 twist older 5rnd rotary mag. One factory load was pretty bad but I can’t remember which. Only issue Ive ever had with it was, wait for it, a Leupold VX1. Went stop to stop on turrets then re center. Cleared it up. Last group was .65. But, as much as I like Ruger, had a barrel on an American .270 crap out. Ruger wouldn’t tell me why it was bad just it was bad. But now have a 5r barrel on it that is very good. I guess the Americans are hit or miss sometimes. Good luck and take care.
I would recommend starting with removing the rail that came on the rifle, I’ve taken off every single one I ever bought and I’m pretty sure the put at least a quart of oil between it and the receiver lol. I have also found the screw in the rail loose out of the box so, I make it common practice to just take it off from the start and make sure it’s done rite to remove any question from the start.
I’ve had success with 55s and 1 in 7 twist ARs, so I don’t think it’s just the twist. I look forward to the big ammo test!
It's a work in progress. It was bad, then got good, then back to all over the place. My first thought is that you can't over stabilize the pill without it coming apart. Try heavier pills and different ammo. But I agree with your point of bulk ammo and warm barrels. I'll be interested in the follow up videos to see what it can do.
You're a patient man, Mr. Who. I think I would've traded it in on a Savage 110.
Bingo
Actually if you like gas and or 5.56 223 get the blackout defense AR-15 barrel elite barrel lead lapped.. shoots nice
sigogglin. I'm from the mountains of NC. My family use to say that, usually like if a building wasn't square or some kind of lines not straight. I try and use it now but no one else knows what I'm talking about.
Yes!
I hand load 50 gr vmax seat bullet to mag length. I have the gen 1 5.56, shoot everything from 50 gr to 73gr. Topped with just a 3x9 Burris scope, steal Burris rings. 200 yards just over 1/2” group if I do my part. Tuck and coyote gun. If I miss it’s on me. Also worked the trigger down to 2lbs. Also polished the bolt.
I had issues like that with a Mossberg Patriot in 6.5 Creedmor. After checking all the usual suspects I took off the scope bases and sure enough, the front one was terribly off. I lapped it, put it back on and presto, problem solved. I hope this helps!
I have the same results with my savage msr 15 - 5r barrel 1:8 twist, but with 64 grain 223 hunting ammo and higher its 1/2" + or - all day. Go back down to 55's even quality ammo opens up, the twist rate just limits you to heavier projectiles for hunting or long range, 1:9 is standard for 55's and a little lighter really light needs 1:12
I would be interested to see the same ammo without the can on the barrel to see how it is affecting the harmonics of the barrel.
I'm only half way through so comment may get validated..is the can causing lack of free float?
Put it in a Boyd’s stock . Solved all my problems with the gen 1. Next time start by looking down the barrel. Hot Receiver in a plastic stock .
I bought that same gun recently in 7.62x39. I hope that it shoots better than yours did. Maybe different blammo will make a difference for you. There is still time to tighten up those groups. We wait with baited breath for a follow-up video. 😢
Had a Remington 700 with heavy barrel in .223 that grouped like that. Traded it off for an AR-15. My body had the crown redone, and it became a tac driver.
I can't believe they put a 1 in 8" twist on a 223.
That gun reminds me of a Ruger Ultralight I had
30-40 years ago. I don't remember what the twist
was if I ever knew or even the caliber. All I remember
is it wouldn't hit the ground if you dropped it.
I tried several factory loads and tried loading for it
all to no avail.
Sold that little POS quickly.
Back then if you bot a .22 caliber anything it had a
1 in 14 twist.
I tried some 70 grainers in my 40x and it shot about
3 inches where 55's and 50's shot one half inch.
Should have been at least 1:9.
Hello. I bought this same rifle . About 2 days before I watched this video. And I thought that I screwed up big time. Well, I took my 5.56 to the range and shot over a lead sled with a 120$ sig scope. It didn't shoot the 55 grain hand loads too good. Actually it did ok with 24grn of varget. But didn't do the 26.5 grn too well. So I did a ladder test with 64 grn sierra tipped game kings. Started at 24 grn and worked up to 26.5 grn of varget. It shot much better. And did very well at 26 and 26.5 of varget. Using all new brass. Got .5 inch groups at both 26 and 26.5. I am happy with that. I bet heavier bullets would do good to. Enjoy.
Well now you gotta try 9 thousand different things so the rifle might group right nothing wrong with that rifle its something else for sure lol good luck with it
Ruger's All American is just like their Mini-14, Minute of Barn.
Sigogglin! That’s some East Tennessee/West North Carolina mountain talk
You need 62 grain bullets & heavier to get tighter groupings from a 1 in 7 & 1 in 8 twist rifling.
I have a ruger ar556 with essentially the same barrel. 55 gr bulk cartridges did not make good groups. 62,68,72 gr bthp otm made great groups. It was the ammo that made the difference. Even 62 gr gt did better than the 55 gr. I’d like to get that rifle as a mechanical bolt backup weapon if the AR semi ever has a issue so my 556/223 ammo stockpile is of use……
Someone else may have already commented, but I wonder how it groups without the shusher can. I'd say if it groups well without the can, then that's just unacceptable and defeats the whole purpose of buying it. Thanks for making the purchase and putting out this content. I want to purchase a working-man-friendly bolt gun in .223/5.56, but now I know what not to get - for now.
Sounds frustrating but thank you a whole lot for bringing awareness to these unpleasant facts. Sure saves me some money. Thanks for all the videos and you 2a support.
Thanks for watching
My Gen 1 loves any 5.56 in 77 or 75 gr. AAC or PMC are the cheapest brands and I'm getting half-3/4" groups at 100 yds 40gr Winchester VarmintX gave me 1" groups at 100 yds 55gr Hornady Vmax gave me 1" groups at 100 yds. Keep the videos coming !
Love to see some good ammo go through it I bet it likes 62 to 75 alot better, Hornady Frontier or Federal Gold metal Match, Remington Core lok, anything but that cheap stuff! Love the channel, cant wait to see some better ammo, i bet it will be awesome with something better!
This dude is going to fall in love with the Taurus Expedition.
I need to try one
@@WHOTEEWHO I just bought a Taurus TX 22 n I’m liking it so far, got 2 Springfeild 40 n 10mm n it’s as reliable as they are !! N a lot less recoil n cheaper to shoot !! I’ll be waiting for this video
For each adjustment wouldn't 2 or 3 round eliminate shooter error. Where you placed the first round you dialed the sight down yet the next shot was way high, maybe a second round or third would be prudent to validate the second shot.
Great show and thanks again for the info 👍👍👍👍👍👍
Agree that the ammo doesn’t work well in that rifle. I have used the UMC ammo before and found it not very consistent. Please try some hand loads with 75gn or 77gn bullets.
I have the non fluted version of the 223 ranch and it continues to shoot 1 1/8 inch groups.
I won't even shoot my new rifles until they have a new stock. I go with the MTD stocks lately. Mainly the XRS Chassis. Off the shelf rifles are ok for short range hunting. But if you want real accuracy you need to upgrade the stock and then shoot every type of ammo to find the top 3. You also need to make sure your scope is mounted correctly. Rings pushed forwards in their slots, things like that.
There are 2 update videos on this one
Did you do a proper barrel break in? My guess is the copper fouling is causing the grouping to get worse. Give the bore a good cleaning with bore solvent and try again. It would probably do better
WTW’s follow up video yielded really excellent groups from this gun with a range of .223 ammo from 55 to 75 grains - basically, either the little Ruger really needed some break-in or the Remington ammo used in this vid is “garbage” (French pronunciation)
I wonder why they changed the twist rate?, i have a gen 1 with a primary arms 1-16x40 acss topped on it 55 gr zero at a 100 which holds under a inch and pucks steel all the way out to 300. It 1:9 twist i guess the old saying is if it isn't broke don't fix it. Love the vids bud keep it up and keep the powder dry
It’s prob from all the stress induced in the barrel from the fluting. Not to mention the very deep fluting that was chosen.
One reason I'm not crazy about fluted barrels, especially spiral.
Why would fluting stress a barrel?
Fluting stresses barrels. That’s why it’s very important to properly stress relieve them afterwards. Also, too deep of fluting can really affect accuracy. This is why most of your barrel manufacturers recommend not fluting them after they have been made, and will only flute to a certain depth on particular contours.
It’s a give and take situation. Yeah it looks awesome, and may help cooling. Although, can cause other issues sometimes. I know Bartlein recommends if you want a lighter barrel, go to a smaller contour.
Ooof, that second sheet isn't a bunch of 2.X groups... that's one 4 MoA target when those are overlaid.
Something is off for sure. Interested to see those heavier/longer pills. I'd also leave the can on the bench until the variable is found.
The 556 has a different throat than 223 try the 62 grain load in M 855 loads let’s see that
I’m not familiar with all types of ammo, but a lot of 556 ammo has a 4MOA. It’s not designed to shoot the wings off a fly at 100 yards it’s designed to hit a man size target center mass. My AR likes the heavier bullets.
Not great groups. The next bullet weights to be tested may shoot better but my concern would be the groups enlarging when the barrel heats up. The whole reason to do a fluted barrel is to disapate heat. I believe there is a pressure point causing the barrel heat group enlargment.
It’s a 1-8” twist. Probably not going to stabilize the 55. I normally run a 75 grain Hornady eldm in my 1-8” twist 223. I’m wanting to buy the gen 2 ruger ranch rifle in 5.56. Only problem is that none of my gun shops locally can get one from the distributors. So try 69 grain or heavier in that rifle and it will probably shoot fine my friend.😊