That Norma ammo is the real deal. My savage 308 absolutely loves the 150 grain Norma whitetail ammo. I got same hole groups with it. I appreciate the time, money,, and effort you put into this!
@@CanukWbyFanI bought a Mark 2 Minimalist a few weeks ago and am really impressed with it. So far I've only shot Winchester Power Point through it but it shoots basically one hole at 50 yards with about as many rounds as you want to shoot. I've gotten a couple good 100 yard groups as well.
I've got a savage axis 2 precision with the heavy barrel and I can get .292 groups at 100 yards with 155 gr match all day. .650 groups with 168 gr match.
Remember that Ron Spomer taught us copper bullets fly all over the place if you shoot them after the barrel is fouled with lead bullets. Clean the barrel really good and then try the Copper Impact again.
On the one Winchester load with the copper bullet, try cleaning the bore to bare steel. Any jacket fouling can throw off copper bullets. Been proven by many RUclipsrs. Once clean shoot 3 to 5 shots tomseason the bore to the copper.
I have shot many many many Barnes copper bullets for 264 win mag 338 win mag , 6.5 x55 swede 308 win. Never had any problems , but you must remove the copper after 20 rounds, Barnes says so in their reload manual. AND you have to seat them 50 thousands back from the lands . Do this and you will have good results. I am a firearms instructor and I teach this in my classes.
Glad you were able to find an ammo it likes! Hope it groups consistently! That Mossberg is a sharp looking rifle and it's sad if it's a lemon. Glad you were able to reach out to the Backfire channel and Gavin and got some advice from them! Always good to follow up!
My brother and I have taken several " lemons" and with meticulous and judicious handloads were able to bring them all to sub moa. Not easy but can be done.We even brought back several that were in a " fireproof safe" but not waterproof. Those were bears to do
For any gun to be ammo-picky is one thing, but guess which among these loads have been around the longest. Don't discount the affordable stuff because fancy bullets are 'better', esp if they don't group as well as what's on the shelf and suits the wallet. Props to WTW for reminding us to keep trying other stuff. I actually thought he'd come up with something like partial bedding, stock screw torque, or something mechanical. Not. 🙂
Well done WHO-TEE! Finally something the rifle likes! Is very interesting that a .308 likes 150gr. Not every day .308 is happy with 150gr....we all know that every other .308 settles on 165gr-169gr. And if you are really lucky, 180gr as well (JP SAUER S100, CZ 550LUX, STEYR) giving you 0.5" groups. On the copper tips flying all over, Jim and Ron both encountered it: when swapping between lead-core & monolithic bullets, you gotta scrub that barrel. This process is not even caliber specific! Happened in ALL of 'em....from .243, 6.5CM, .308, 7RM, 300WM!!!! ALL my rigs refused to group when I swapped to monolithic...until I scrubbed the barrel. Then again, be grateful that rifle likes the cheap stuff. Very lucky!!!!! I had to settle on relatively expensive 180gr SAKO SUPER HAMMERHEAD 180gr...the FEDERAL FUSION is much cheaper!
Glad you got it worked out. I was at the range with my son last weekend with a new Sig Cross 6.5CM and we were doing barrel break-in. We used that Hornady Whitetail, too, literally the cheapest ammo we could find. 4 shots clean, 4 shots clean, shots 9-14 - a 5-shot group - we had 4 in the same hole with one "flyer" a quarter inch off - I likely pulled it, for a .586" group. I had mentioned previously that we had two Patriots, and mine was a real dog and sold it, my son's does well - same model as yours - the higher end one. With load work-ups the best group I got was .99. I paid $289 for mine and it wasn't worth $500-700 in ammo to figure out - especially in a state that requires lead free.
Re-crowning the barrel has always improved accuracy from my experience.. Brownells sells a crowning tool with a pilot specific to caliber. You can use that tool to recrown a barrel without a lathe. It does a pretty good job and cost less than $400.
For $500 you can get a custom high quality barrel. So you can spend $$ on ammo or spend it on the barrel to mitigate spending it on random amounts of ammo. Take your pick
I had similar results with my PSA PA10 Gen III. I got it cheap because it was "horribly inaccurate." First rounds I tried were cor-lokt 150gr and I got two 3/4" groups back to back at 100yrds. Moved to more expensive 150gr power point, 4 inch group. Same with pretty much every other ammo I shot. I'll have to try that hornady whitetail as well!!
The PA10's seem to like 168 grain the best from what I recall. It can be pickier about the 150 grain. At least that was what I found in the various videos I could find. Haven't shot mine enough to speak from personal experience yet, but I stocked up on 168 gr.
I always like the looks of the Patriot but when doing research on it Jim was on top with views on it and I changed my mind glad you found something it likes. Thank you for your videos.
The difference in a brand's ammo/price is all about the bullets. IME primers and brass are the usual quality no matter what we pay for 'factories'. Cheers.
So happy that you found 4 loads that actually shot well for you out of the best “looking” $400 rifle out there. Hopefully 🤞🏻 it will be repeatable. I wish I could have found American 🇺🇸 Whitetail in 300 WSM on the shelf at Cabela’s when I picked up my rifle. That way I didn’t have to use at the time (2019) a $43 box of Hornady Outfitter with 180 grain GMX to foul up my barrel and sight it in. Those 165 grain Interlocks are decently accurate and somewhat affordable.
👍 Good job!!! Just an FYI, though - it is a well established quirk that all copper bullets won't group well from a barrel that has had standard copper guilding bullets through it. In order to determine what all copper bullets are capable of, from any particular barrel, you have to shoot that group from a thoroughly cleaned barrel. Thanks for checking things out so well!
Outstanding, Adam! I always like to start with the cheap stuff and work my way up.. slightly more cost effective, but when dealing with trial and error, it can get expensive! Good on you for being rock steady and persevering.
The problem has got to be a combination of chambering, throat, and twist rate. If the chambering is okay along with the headspace, then the throat is too shallow where the bullet is engaging the rifling too soon, perhaps upon cocking. And then the rifling is too slow for anything above 150 grain. Perhaps 1 in 18? If it were a 1 and 10 it would handle that 180 grain without any problem.
😂 I been shooting and loading for the 308 win for around 45 years now🇨🇦 ...I think I might be stubborn 😂 but you sir are tough competition😂....can't wait to watch your next time with it at the bench ...thanks man
You hung in there like a champ trying to make it work. Looks like you will have 2 choices to go with. Next you need to try them with a cold barrel test. Congratulations.
Just think WTW, its all luck, you could have grabbed a box of 27.99 Hornady American Whitetail first and found the ammo it liked 1st try! Thanks for keeping up the effort on this!
Lol. I was already thinking it, but as soon as you mentioned Jim I knew you were not getting away with three shots. Lol. I’ve paused video to make this comment and if you mention Ron next you’re going to have to make a video of a clean barrel and those copper. 😳 But you’re right, we shouldn’t have to buy $500 of experimental ammo for the Patriot. It’s a really good looking rifle and surely Mossburg is tired of all the poor reviews and will hire someone to fix the issues.
Perhaps it just takes a while to Fire Lap the barrel and seat the action into the Stock? I'm curious if using a couple of hundred rounds of M80 Ball to break-in the barrel would help keep costs down during break-in?
That's funny because Winchester ammunition in my 303 British is the one that performs the best! I've tried them all, and none of them work very well except Winchester and the original world War II British ammo.
Try a Monza in .308. (Turkish like Wby, Rem, & CZ & others' SGs) Weird safety ahead of the bolt handle but like Wby Vanguard/Howa 1500 and a few others a nice alternative. YMMV on which ammo any gun likes. You knew that. Cheers.
@@davemcmullen6682 I have one safe for un-scoped guns (war relics) just to get near the capacity any is rated for. btw, I have four & any is likely worth more than what it's full of. 🙂
@@johncmitchell4941 keep telling my wife, this is it..the last gun I need..last yr bought three PC carbines ( and new living room furniture for my wife) ..guess I can squeeze one more in my existing safe..plus a new dish washer ...
I have one in 6.5 CM that shoots ragged one hole groups at my back yard 50 yard range. Double that for 100 yards and it is a bit over 1/2" with Hornady 140 gr match ammo.
Do a complete stripping of all the folding metal in the bore and then try the solid copper bullets like the Winchester. Your buddy Ron Spomer.has quite a bit of info on the fact that copper bullets won't shoot with gilding metal fouling in the bore.
Adam, I own a few Mossbergs, 308, 30-06, 270, they all like the Winchester ammo, I'm gonna try the Hornady WT see if I get the same results. Thanks for sticking with the 308 I knew it was a good rifle. Gbwy.
GREAT! I absolutely 100% believe Mossberg should fully reimburse you for the ammo cost, since you probably saved their face on this one! Thanks for the research!
I have a 22-250 in Patriot Krykex. The barrel was literally like Swiss Cheese inside. The galling and chatter marks was terrible and copper was ripped off filling the divots. I'd reshoot the good ones before making a final judgement.
I'd love to see gun shops put together ammo sampler packs - 5 rounds each from 4 different brands/versions of bullets for gun testing. You could buy a pack or two and nail down which ammo your gun prefers...great gun show idea for anyone paying attention.
I have a model 99 ruger in .308 that absolutely love the american whitetail ammo. This gun is super picky, i believe because the harmonics of the very light barrel to very heavy action ratio. I had almost given up on better than 2 inch groups and my wife got me some of those hornadys for christmas. I think mostly because my son wanted to keep the gun in the family lol. They did the trick and shoot as good as i will ever shoot now.
Awesome video, the one big thing I have seen and heard about Mossberg rifles is the stock is weak. Seen videos on them breaking internally. 308 is not a low pressure round, would not be shocked if it happens. Loved my Ruger 308, and so so sad I had to let it go.
I don’t remember but was the supressor installed for the other videos? Normally I would not agree to the “supressor makes a difference” argument. BUT with the way this thing has been running. I wonder if it is a harmonic issue or such and the can is just fixing that problem?? Maybe try a half/half. With and without can on the rest of those boolots when you re do the group test?
My Winchester Black Shadow 7mm WSM wouldn’t group anything well. I almost sold it but decided to shoot Winchester Power Max 150 grain as a last ditch effort. After all, it was my first rifle. I covered all three shots with a dime! I kept the gun and bought several boxes of the Power Max. Tack driver with that ammo!
With all copper bullets you need to start with a barrel cleaned to bare metal or it will not group. Something to do with the two different types of copper. I did the same thing shot all copper right after copper jacketed bullets out fo a Tiika, it was horrible. Then cleaned the barrel and it shot .5” 5 shot group with all copper bullets.
Good video for YOUR RIFLE ONLY. Every rifle has a less than perfect manufacturing process, mating to stock, interior ballistics, and barrel harmonics. Each person must experiment with THEIR rifle to get an acceptable group. Competitive shooting, handload your own. Eastern whitetail, groups of 3” at 100 yards is all you need. If your shots are going to be much longer than 100 yards, then spend the money to find which bullet gives you the most accuracy. But, at $40 a box, buying different brands, bullet weights, etc for experimenting can easily cost more than your rifle and scope (unless you are getting money from UTube)……. And, your accuracy problem might be you and not the rifle. I shoot CMP and there are guys with great equipment, practice continuously and never get above 300 out of 500!
While the same cartridge basically ut was a totally different type of rifle but I once owned a Springfield Armory SAR-48 budh rifle. Basically a fixed stock IMBEL made FAL with a 17.5"bbl It wouldn't group for crap with any of my loads that were 1.5moa from my NM M1A and 0.5 and less from my bolt actions. Guess what that dang thing shot 1MOA and less? Freaking copper washed steel cased Norinco!🙄
The only shot that matters is the first shot from a cold barrel. After I get the scope on paper, I only do clean cold barrel shots for groups. Takes a bit more time but it is more applicable to hunting. Hunting in thick woods, a 2nd shot is unlikely.
All I see is 3 shots close. Now shoot the rest of the box. Could just be a statistical fluke. A 3” gun will eventually shoot a 1/2” 3 shot group after you shoot $400 in ammo through it. Hopefully it does good and you can get more of that lot then dissect the load. It’s ok to be limited to that 150 PowerPoint for most things deer and smaller. Personally I’d sell it with a box of the ammo it shot good before I kept another cheap fickle 308 in my safe. In your case, this gun may not print the greatest group but itll print money every time you shoot it. Time to take it to 1000y.
Can't wait for the next video wringing the accuracy out of the Mossy Patriot. I have the Mossy 4x4 w/ laminate wood and marinecote finish. Gorgeous gun but haven't shot it enough to know how it groups
I've loaded my 308 (Rem 700) with 150 gn Horandy Interlocks for over a decade.. actually boring since it shoots so well.. try 45-46 grains Varget, I'll bet you'll find a "node" :)
Good to see you’ve found something it likes. The American Whitetail is one of the most consistently accurate rounds I’ve experienced. But pencils through deer from my 270 and 308. It has good terminal performance from my 300WM. I guess the extra velocity/energy makes it open up well.
My 22-250 loves the winchester super x 55gr sp. It was the cheapest round i could find when i got the rifle so it worked out great i was getting almost 1/4 moa consistently
My mossberg 6.5 creedmore likes the Hornady white tail a little better than the Winchester and you can get it on midway USA for $19 dollars a box and free shipping sometimes. Only problem is a lite barrel to be a good bench gun. But live the light weight for hunting
My sons left handed Ruger MK II?.270 stainless with green laminated stock just loves the Winchester 150gr Power Point ammo. Shoots 1/2" groups all day long with the PP. Every thing you read about 270's is that the 130 grain bullet is what made the 270 what it is however my sons cannot fire a two inch group no matter if it was factory 130gr or handloads. I switched and went for the walmart special as you say with the 150gr and never looked back. I bought a half dozen boxes of the 150's and still have most of it as he doesn't hunt anymore and I'm not a lefty. You just never know. After my experience with this gun when I buy a new gun I always buy the cheapest rounds I can find to start off seasoning the barrel and grouping and if the cheap stuff groups well I don't spend more on more expensive ammo. Power Points, Core-lokts, Hornady whitetail and even Privi Partisan PPU is the stuff I buy first. Sometimes guns like a specific weight of bullet. The first centerfire rifle I ever bought was a Rem 700 Mountain Rifle in 30-06 and it just loves 165gr rounds. My dad has taken at least three elk (one being a very large 6x6) a 300+ pound black bear with the 165gr Trophy Bonded Bear Claw and many, many deer with the 165gr cheapies. He saves the bear claws for elk as they are spendy and since they group the same as the cheap rounds he uses the cheap ones on deer.
When u testing the browning? And yea i think jim is more for high dollar fans 😂 i thought the norma 150 grain would win my uncles ruger American loves the 150 grain norma
Film Backfires 1 moa challenge for Jim with the mossberg patriot. I have good luck with Hornady American whitetail. The interlock bullets shoot good for me.
I bought my son a patriot a few years ago in .270 win and ours has been very accurate. 2 inch groups at 200 yds all day long shooting hornady whitetail 130 gr. It’s his favorite deer rifle even tho he has plenty of higher end rifles to choose from!!
Mossberg has walnut stocks for the Patriot so does Boyds have laminate stocks for the Patriot, changing from the plastic stock could make quite a bit of difference in accuracy.
My mossberg patriot in .308…same exact rifle …loves the Winchester PowerPoint 150 and the federal powershok 150. Seems to be a trend. Mine even likes cheap cheap monarch ammo from academy.
Mine likes the Norma whitetail and Hornady whitetail as well. It didn’t do well with the Winchester power points but I want to try a different box that isn’t labeled “hog special”. May have been a bad batch.
You think maybe the barrel needed broken in? Or your suppressor changed the harmonics? Try shooting some of the older ammo you did the first time with the suppressor?
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Cheapskate , cheap rifle and cheap bulotts makes perfect sense . LoL 😂 👍
Bingo
I agree with Jim. If you can take it out again and shoot a similar 3 round cold group then I think you have a winner.
I am really, really glad you were able to do this! Congratulations!
🙏🙏🙏
That Norma ammo is the real deal. My savage 308 absolutely loves the 150 grain Norma whitetail ammo. I got same hole groups with it. I appreciate the time, money,, and effort you put into this!
Savages will shoot almost anything well. My Mark 2 in 22lr shoots 1/4 inch groups at 100 yards with Winchester whitebox ammo.
@@jisaacs8 Im a fan of Norma ammo too..
@@CanukWbyFanI bought a Mark 2 Minimalist a few weeks ago and am really impressed with it.
So far I've only shot Winchester Power Point through it but it shoots basically one hole at 50 yards with about as many rounds as you want to shoot. I've gotten a couple good 100 yard groups as well.
I've got a savage axis 2 precision with the heavy barrel and I can get .292 groups at 100 yards with 155 gr match all day. .650 groups with 168 gr match.
Playing nurse maid to a picky eater is a true test of one's metal.
*mettle
Remember that Ron Spomer taught us copper bullets fly all over the place if you shoot them after the barrel is fouled with lead bullets. Clean the barrel really good and then try the Copper Impact again.
I will have to agree with your friend. The same thing was going through my mind. Three shots, ok.... let's see it, do it repeatedly. Before it's done.
Agreed, but i think he was just trying to find a starting point with ammo that would group.
Seems like how they are chambered, the twist rate or barrel harmonics make it like standard cup and core lead core bullets in the 150 grain range.
The ppu ammo is the cheapest here in New Zealand and it mint totally underrated
On the one Winchester load with the copper bullet, try cleaning the bore to bare steel. Any jacket fouling can throw off copper bullets. Been proven by many RUclipsrs.
Once clean shoot 3 to 5 shots tomseason the bore to the copper.
I have shot many many many Barnes copper bullets for 264 win mag 338 win mag , 6.5 x55 swede 308 win. Never had any problems , but you must remove the copper after 20 rounds, Barnes says so in their reload manual. AND you have to seat them 50 thousands back from the lands . Do this and you will have good results. I am a firearms instructor and I teach this in my classes.
Why TF would you do all that and not just buy the .3 inch group stuff
Glad you were able to find an ammo it likes! Hope it groups consistently! That Mossberg is a sharp looking rifle and it's sad if it's a lemon. Glad you were able to reach out to the Backfire channel and Gavin and got some advice from them! Always good to follow up!
My brother and I have taken several " lemons" and with meticulous and judicious handloads were able to bring them all to sub moa. Not easy but can be done.We even brought back several that were in a " fireproof safe" but not waterproof. Those were bears to do
For any gun to be ammo-picky is one thing, but guess which among these loads have been around the longest. Don't discount the affordable stuff because fancy bullets are 'better', esp if they don't group as well as what's on the shelf and suits the wallet. Props to WTW for reminding us to keep trying other stuff. I actually thought he'd come up with something like partial bedding, stock screw torque, or something mechanical. Not. 🙂
Well done WHO-TEE! Finally something the rifle likes! Is very interesting that a .308 likes 150gr. Not every day .308 is happy with 150gr....we all know that every other .308 settles on 165gr-169gr. And if you are really lucky, 180gr as well (JP SAUER S100, CZ 550LUX, STEYR) giving you 0.5" groups.
On the copper tips flying all over, Jim and Ron both encountered it: when swapping between lead-core & monolithic bullets, you gotta scrub that barrel. This process is not even caliber specific! Happened in ALL of 'em....from .243, 6.5CM, .308, 7RM, 300WM!!!! ALL my rigs refused to group when I swapped to monolithic...until I scrubbed the barrel.
Then again, be grateful that rifle likes the cheap stuff. Very lucky!!!!! I had to settle on relatively expensive 180gr SAKO SUPER HAMMERHEAD 180gr...the FEDERAL FUSION is much cheaper!
Glad you got it worked out. I was at the range with my son last weekend with a new Sig Cross 6.5CM and we were doing barrel break-in. We used that Hornady Whitetail, too, literally the cheapest ammo we could find. 4 shots clean, 4 shots clean, shots 9-14 - a 5-shot group - we had 4 in the same hole with one "flyer" a quarter inch off - I likely pulled it, for a .586" group. I had mentioned previously that we had two Patriots, and mine was a real dog and sold it, my son's does well - same model as yours - the higher end one. With load work-ups the best group I got was .99. I paid $289 for mine and it wasn't worth $500-700 in ammo to figure out - especially in a state that requires lead free.
Good on you WTW for your persistence. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for watching
All the money on ammo and the rifle you could have got a tikka lol👍 good video
True 😝
Wish he would get a Tikka to test. Come on Adam if you can swing the Sako S20 you can swing Sako's "red headed stepchild" Tikka.
That wouldn't prove anything about the Mossy.
@@johncmitchell4941 it's no secret they are inconsistent. This one was no different but it had a silver lining.
Tikka costs more still 💀 he already has a few CVA cascades, those will do all he needs to do
Great video! It’s interesting to see how you tackled the challenges with this rifle
Need to redo this without the can on the end, most of us don't have a silencer to install. Also be a good compar.
Suppressor wont change your groupings too much in my experience. Usually just POI might change.
Re-crowning the barrel has always improved accuracy from my experience.. Brownells sells a crowning tool with a pilot specific to caliber. You can use that tool to recrown a barrel without a lathe. It does a pretty good job and cost less than $400.
For $500 you can get a custom high quality barrel. So you can spend $$ on ammo or spend it on the barrel to mitigate spending it on random amounts of ammo. Take your pick
I had similar results with my PSA PA10 Gen III. I got it cheap because it was "horribly inaccurate." First rounds I tried were cor-lokt 150gr and I got two 3/4" groups back to back at 100yrds. Moved to more expensive 150gr power point, 4 inch group. Same with pretty much every other ammo I shot. I'll have to try that hornady whitetail as well!!
The PA10's seem to like 168 grain the best from what I recall. It can be pickier about the 150 grain. At least that was what I found in the various videos I could find. Haven't shot mine enough to speak from personal experience yet, but I stocked up on 168 gr.
I always like the looks of the Patriot but when doing research on it Jim was on top with views on it and I changed my mind glad you found something it likes. Thank you for your videos.
Thanks for watching
It's interesting how different manufacturers in bullets makes such a big difference? It would be cool to measure the barrel temp with these testings.
good video. but that does not surprise me i have seen winchester power points do some incredible accuracy in various rifles and cartridges
The difference in a brand's ammo/price is all about the bullets. IME primers and brass are the usual quality no matter what we pay for 'factories'. Cheers.
So happy that you found 4 loads that actually shot well for you out of the best “looking” $400 rifle out there.
Hopefully 🤞🏻 it will be repeatable.
I wish I could have found American 🇺🇸 Whitetail in 300 WSM on the shelf at Cabela’s when I picked up my rifle. That way I didn’t have to use at the time (2019) a $43 box of Hornady Outfitter with 180 grain GMX to foul up my barrel and sight it in. Those 165 grain Interlocks are decently accurate and somewhat affordable.
Perseverance. Determination. And the right color T-shirt. Now work on some good hand-loads. 🤔
👍 Good job!!! Just an FYI, though - it is a well established quirk that all copper bullets won't group well from a barrel that has had standard copper guilding bullets through it. In order to determine what all copper bullets are capable of, from any particular barrel, you have to shoot that group from a thoroughly cleaned barrel.
Thanks for checking things out so well!
I was thinking this after watching Ron Spomer demonstrate this “phenomenon” with different bullet weights and bullet constructions.
Great info 💯💯💯 and thanks again for the info 👍👍👍👍
Outstanding, Adam! I always like to start with the cheap stuff and work my way up.. slightly more cost effective, but when dealing with trial and error, it can get expensive! Good on you for being rock steady and persevering.
The problem has got to be a combination of chambering, throat, and twist rate. If the chambering is okay along with the headspace, then the throat is too shallow where the bullet is engaging the rifling too soon, perhaps upon cocking. And then the rifling is too slow for anything above 150 grain. Perhaps 1 in 18? If it were a 1 and 10 it would handle that 180 grain without any problem.
I am going to get a Savage 243..for myself. probably by Christmas...since I've been such a good senior citizen 😁
Good choice
Because every guy needs at least 4 deer rifles
😂 I been shooting and loading for the 308 win for around 45 years now🇨🇦 ...I think I might be stubborn 😂 but you sir are tough competition😂....can't wait to watch your next time with it at the bench ...thanks man
Appreciate you watching
I’m glad you stuck with it and found an ammo it likes, even better that it likes the cheap stuff 👍
Thanks for watching
When does that NOT happen? 😉
You hung in there like a champ trying to make it work. Looks like you will have 2 choices to go with. Next you need to try them with a cold barrel test. Congratulations.
Just think WTW, its all luck, you could have grabbed a box of 27.99 Hornady American Whitetail first and found the ammo it liked 1st try!
Thanks for keeping up the effort on this!
Lol. I was already thinking it, but as soon as you mentioned Jim I knew you were not getting away with three shots. Lol. I’ve paused video to make this comment and if you mention Ron next you’re going to have to make a video of a clean barrel and those copper. 😳 But you’re right, we shouldn’t have to buy $500 of experimental ammo for the Patriot. It’s a really good looking rifle and surely Mossburg is tired of all the poor reviews and will hire someone to fix the issues.
Perhaps it just takes a while to Fire Lap the barrel and seat the action into the Stock? I'm curious if using a couple of hundred rounds of M80 Ball to break-in the barrel would help keep costs down during break-in?
My 308 loves the 150g powershok ammo
After testing I look forward to your view on whether it was all worth it or not..Taking into account this could happen with any budget rifle..IMO..
That would make my day if I could get my lemon shooting ...I'd keep it and just keep a stock of what it likes
Thanks for doing this.
From a practicality stand point the Savage Axis runs circles around the patriot in 308 for the same price
Federal power shock is good to 150gr
Way to go Mossberg, it's hard to make Winchester ammunition look good!
That's funny because Winchester ammunition in my 303 British is the one that performs the best! I've tried them all, and none of them work very well except Winchester and the original world War II British ammo.
You done good mate, well done on finding the needle in the haystack, cheers Yogi ✌️
Wow bro I'm literally stunned. Way to hang in there & figure it out. I learned something new from this video 🙏
Thanks for watching
Great Job, way to go and sticking with it.
Try the Federal Power Shok 150 grain (Blue Box)
Yep I'm convinced. Will never buy a Mossberg patriot 308...
Try a Monza in .308. (Turkish like Wby, Rem, & CZ & others' SGs) Weird safety ahead of the bolt handle but like Wby Vanguard/Howa 1500 and a few others a nice alternative. YMMV on which ammo any gun likes. You knew that. Cheers.
@@johncmitchell4941 if I keep buying guns , going to need another safe.
@@davemcmullen6682 I have one safe for un-scoped guns (war relics) just to get near the capacity any is rated for. btw, I have four & any is likely worth more than what it's full of. 🙂
@@johncmitchell4941 keep telling my wife, this is it..the last gun I need..last yr bought three PC carbines ( and new living room furniture for my wife) ..guess I can squeeze one more in my existing safe..plus a new dish washer ...
I have one in 6.5 CM that shoots ragged one hole groups at my back yard 50 yard range. Double that for 100 yards and it is a bit over 1/2" with Hornady 140 gr match ammo.
Patriot seems to have a positive rep in .243 also.
It’s mostly the .308 chamberings that have a bad rap. And in my experience pretty well any 6.5 cm rifle shoots well
Do a complete stripping of all the folding metal in the bore and then try the solid copper bullets like the Winchester. Your buddy Ron Spomer.has quite a bit of info on the fact that copper bullets won't shoot with gilding metal fouling in the bore.
Adam, I own a few Mossbergs, 308, 30-06, 270, they all like the Winchester ammo, I'm gonna try the Hornady WT see if I get the same results. Thanks for sticking with the 308 I knew it was a good rifle. Gbwy.
GREAT! I absolutely 100% believe Mossberg should fully reimburse you for the ammo cost, since you probably saved their face on this one! Thanks for the research!
That would be great
I have a 22-250 in Patriot Krykex. The barrel was literally like Swiss Cheese inside. The galling and chatter marks was terrible and copper was ripped off filling the divots.
I'd reshoot the good ones before making a final judgement.
I'd love to see gun shops put together ammo sampler packs - 5 rounds each from 4 different brands/versions of bullets for gun testing. You could buy a pack or two and nail down which ammo your gun prefers...great gun show idea for anyone paying attention.
Good idea
I have a model 99 ruger in .308 that absolutely love the american whitetail ammo. This gun is super picky, i believe because the harmonics of the very light barrel to very heavy action ratio. I had almost given up on better than 2 inch groups and my wife got me some of those hornadys for christmas. I think mostly because my son wanted to keep the gun in the family lol. They did the trick and shoot as good as i will ever shoot now.
Awesome video, the one big thing I have seen and heard about Mossberg rifles is the stock is weak. Seen videos on them breaking internally. 308 is not a low pressure round, would not be shocked if it happens. Loved my Ruger 308, and so so sad I had to let it go.
I don’t remember but was the supressor installed for the other videos?
Normally I would not agree to the “supressor makes a difference” argument. BUT with the way this thing has been running. I wonder if it is a harmonic issue or such and the can is just fixing that problem??
Maybe try a half/half. With and without can on the rest of those boolots when you re do the group test?
I did have the suppressor on for the previous videos.
This is good content brother.🤠
Thanks for watching
My Winchester Black Shadow 7mm WSM wouldn’t group anything well. I almost sold it but decided to shoot Winchester Power Max 150 grain as a last ditch effort. After all, it was my first rifle. I covered all three shots with a dime! I kept the gun and bought several boxes of the Power Max. Tack driver with that ammo!
With all copper bullets you need to start with a barrel cleaned to bare metal or it will not group. Something to do with the two different types of copper. I did the same thing shot all copper right after copper jacketed bullets out fo a Tiika, it was horrible. Then cleaned the barrel and it shot .5” 5 shot group with all copper bullets.
Good video for YOUR RIFLE ONLY. Every rifle has a less than perfect manufacturing process, mating to stock, interior ballistics, and barrel harmonics. Each person must experiment with THEIR rifle to get an acceptable group. Competitive shooting, handload your own. Eastern whitetail, groups of 3” at 100 yards is all you need. If your shots are going to be much longer than 100 yards, then spend the money to find which bullet gives you the most accuracy. But, at $40 a box, buying different brands, bullet weights, etc for experimenting can easily cost more than your rifle and scope (unless you are getting money from UTube)……. And, your accuracy problem might be you and not the rifle. I shoot CMP and there are guys with great equipment, practice continuously and never get above 300 out of 500!
While the same cartridge basically ut was a totally different type of rifle but I once owned a Springfield Armory SAR-48 budh rifle. Basically a fixed stock IMBEL made FAL with a 17.5"bbl
It wouldn't group for crap with any of my loads that were 1.5moa from my NM M1A and 0.5 and less from my bolt actions.
Guess what that dang thing shot 1MOA and less?
Freaking copper washed steel cased Norinco!🙄
Can't wait to see how you did it.
Heck yea ,glad u found the ammo it likes 👍 sometimes it pays off to be persistent ,as usual you gave it a more than a fair shake
After shooting the monolithics you better clean that barrel to keep the accuracy back to what you saw. You’ll have to foul it too.
Should have run those copper rounds first out a clean barrel. I think ya might have gotten a better group, maybe.
More fuss to make pricier stuff group like the tried and true?
The only shot that matters is the first shot from a cold barrel. After I get the scope on paper, I only do clean cold barrel shots for groups. Takes a bit more time but it is more applicable to hunting. Hunting in thick woods, a 2nd shot is unlikely.
I guess they can really call it a budget friendly gun. Lol
If it loves the cheap stuff
It makes sense, cheap gun = cheap ammo !
All I see is 3 shots close. Now shoot the rest of the box. Could just be a statistical fluke. A 3” gun will eventually shoot a 1/2” 3 shot group after you shoot $400 in ammo through it. Hopefully it does good and you can get more of that lot then dissect the load. It’s ok to be limited to that 150 PowerPoint for most things deer and smaller. Personally I’d sell it with a box of the ammo it shot good before I kept another cheap fickle 308 in my safe. In your case, this gun may not print the greatest group but itll print money every time you shoot it. Time to take it to 1000y.
No it won't. It didn't shoot one good group it shot 3 different ones
Obviously it did because he stated in the video that he shot $400 worth of ammo and he did indeed end up with a sub 0.5" group
Can't wait for the next video wringing the accuracy out of the Mossy Patriot. I have the Mossy 4x4 w/ laminate wood and marinecote finish. Gorgeous gun but haven't shot it enough to know how it groups
I've loaded my 308 (Rem 700) with 150 gn Horandy Interlocks for over a decade.. actually boring since it shoots so well.. try 45-46 grains Varget, I'll bet you'll find a "node" :)
Guessing Hornaday. Winchester...Who'dathunkit!
buddy of mine had a couple Tikka rifles that were this picky.
glad you found a couple rounds it likes.
Good to see you’ve found something it likes. The American Whitetail is one of the most consistently accurate rounds I’ve experienced. But pencils through deer from my 270 and 308. It has good terminal performance from my 300WM. I guess the extra velocity/energy makes it open up well.
WTW 👍
Had to work for that one !
Sometimes they just need a little love
Who tee who glad you did that with that rifle which i no it would
Appreciate you watching
Good video. Makes sense a cheap hunting rifle like cheap hunting ammo lol
Great video man 👍
My 22-250 loves the winchester super x 55gr sp. It was the cheapest round i could find when i got the rifle so it worked out great i was getting almost 1/4 moa consistently
My mossberg 6.5 creedmore likes the Hornady white tail a little better than the Winchester and you can get it on midway USA for $19 dollars a box and free shipping sometimes. Only problem is a lite barrel to be a good bench gun. But live the light weight for hunting
My sons left handed Ruger MK II?.270 stainless with green laminated stock just loves the Winchester 150gr Power Point ammo. Shoots 1/2" groups all day long with the PP. Every thing you read about 270's is that the 130 grain bullet is what made the 270 what it is however my sons cannot fire a two inch group no matter if it was factory 130gr or handloads. I switched and went for the walmart special as you say with the 150gr and never looked back. I bought a half dozen boxes of the 150's and still have most of it as he doesn't hunt anymore and I'm not a lefty. You just never know. After my experience with this gun when I buy a new gun I always buy the cheapest rounds I can find to start off seasoning the barrel and grouping and if the cheap stuff groups well I don't spend more on more expensive ammo. Power Points, Core-lokts, Hornady whitetail and even Privi Partisan PPU is the stuff I buy first. Sometimes guns like a specific weight of bullet. The first centerfire rifle I ever bought was a Rem 700 Mountain Rifle in 30-06 and it just loves 165gr rounds. My dad has taken at least three elk (one being a very large 6x6) a 300+ pound black bear with the 165gr Trophy Bonded Bear Claw and many, many deer with the 165gr cheapies. He saves the bear claws for elk as they are spendy and since they group the same as the cheap rounds he uses the cheap ones on deer.
When u testing the browning? And yea i think jim is more for high dollar fans 😂 i thought the norma 150 grain would win my uncles ruger American loves the 150 grain norma
Film Backfires 1 moa challenge for Jim with the mossberg patriot. I have good luck with Hornady American whitetail. The interlock bullets shoot good for me.
As far as I know the Patriot has a 1 in10 twist. Normally a rifle with a 1 in 10 twist likes heavy bullets. That's a wierd rifle.
I bought my son a patriot a few years ago in .270 win and ours has been very accurate. 2 inch groups at 200 yds all day long shooting hornady whitetail 130 gr. It’s his favorite deer rifle even tho he has plenty of higher end rifles to choose from!!
That's awesome!
Mossberg has walnut stocks for the Patriot so does Boyds have laminate stocks for the Patriot, changing from the plastic stock could make quite a bit of difference in accuracy.
My mossberg patriot in .308…same exact rifle …loves the Winchester PowerPoint 150 and the federal powershok 150. Seems to be a trend. Mine even likes cheap cheap monarch ammo from academy.
I need to try monarch too
HELL YEAH NORMA WHITE TAIL!
But now this makes me wanna try the Hornady AW in mine.
Persistence pays off .
Mine likes the Norma whitetail and Hornady whitetail as well. It didn’t do well with the Winchester power points but I want to try a different box that isn’t labeled “hog special”. May have been a bad batch.
Congratulations on getting that thing to group. Maybe there’s enough copper build up to help. I would not clean it. 👍👍.
You may have fixed that .308 but you may wind up breaking the Internet with as much hate as that has gotten lol
Winchester super X has never let me down in any rifle or shotgun. Been using it forever.
I would feed that junk rifle to the nearest pawn shop. Take my losses. Feel lucky and blessed to have gotten rid of it.
Is there a factor that makes those 2 groups group well? Ie..velocity... bullet seat depth?
Nice one..
yes i told you winchester 150 grain power point thats what i shoot 1 inch groups all day long.
Yup
I have a Patriot in 375 Ruger. I shoot Hornady 270 gr Interlocks and hand loaded 300 gr Nosler Accubonds. It likes both.
You think maybe the barrel needed broken in? Or your suppressor changed the harmonics? Try shooting some of the older ammo you did the first time with the suppressor?
Suppressor has always been on it
Economic rifle economic ammunition works for me. Don’t have to break the bank to get her done!