You do realise controversial moments in human history will always spark debate...people are still talking about senna/prost crash, senna's death, 9/11, moon landing, o.j Simpson. People will always debate things. If you don't like it, ignore it. Simple
@@marklawd91 life isn't fair. Both drivers have lost points unfairly. They always do, that is live. Grownups accept that fact and move on. They don't whine about it three years later. I don't know what 'sim' is in aid of..
@secmff well this is a controversial moments just like the other moments I mentioned. And guess what happens when controversy happens, we spark debate. it's in our dna. Senna/prost is being talked about 35 years later. This will be talked about for the rest of our lives, it will never go away. All you can do is ignore the talk. So my question to you is - why are you still here? You clearly don't want to be here, so go and leave humans to do what they will ALWAYS DO...debate s***t.
Everyone forgets the reason the race was allowed to continue was because earlier in the season, BOTH Mercedes and Red Bull had said the race director should allow the race to restart if possible. Also, they conveniently forget that Hamilton had MANY more points than he should have because of the favouritism he received by the FIA and constantly ignoring the rules when he cut corners, illegal overtakes, causing crashes etc etc. I'm no Verstappen fan, but he is/was by far the better driver, and if that championship was stolen from him, it would have been the biggest steal in history. Best ending to a season I've seen in almost 40 years.
Also, you conveniently forget that Verstappen had MANY more points than he should have because of the favourite of the FIA and constantly ignoring the rules when he cut corners, illegal overtakes, causing crashes etc etc.
We know Hamilton was screwed over, but if they aren't going to over turn it, let it go! Btw Verstappen is not a better driver than Hamilton! Just my .02
Hamilton outperformed Max in a worse car. And in the last race he was on old hards and still managed to keep Max 10's behind him until Latifi crashed. Ham deserved the title and rightfully should have won it
@marklawd91 You clearly didn't watch any of the races that year. Don't believe everything you watch on Netflix as it's heavily edited... Hamilton had the fastest car for at least 75% of the season, yet Verstappen beat him. Hamilton made many mistakes, which is fine, but he kept getting biased decisions by Masi and the FIA which were disgraceful and caused outrage among F1 fans (aside from the British broadcasts). The season would and should have been over way earlier. Ham would cut corners, cause crashes, make illegal blocks, etc., yet kept getting away with it, time after time. Also, Mercedes and RB were putting pressure on Masi and FIA to allow racing after Safety Cars if at all possible, to keep the show going but because Hamilton was leading the last race, it suddenly became a problem for Toto. How Verstappen won that season will go down in history as one of the greatest F1 wins of all time. Senna once had a similar season against Prost that the FIA managed to steal from him even though Senna was faster. At least this time the best driver won.
Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence. Masi sounds completely overwhelmed in every radio message from the end of that race.
I'm absolutely no max fan, far from it, but god damn... yall need to let go.. it's been 3 years! This is just pathetic, go out, get some fresh air, use your time better than to analyze every little scene... Yes, things went wrong in the last race, heads have rolled, but lewis didn't have to be in that position to begin with... coulda easily locked the title away earlier in that car... Go out, get some fresh air, do something with your life other than obsessing with things that happened in the past... Can't wait for the max stans analyzing every scene from this year 10 years in the future to look for some conspirary that lost max his title this year...
controversial moments in human history will always spark debate...people are still talking about senna/prost crash, senna's death, 9/11, moon landing, o.j Simpson. People will always debate things. If you don't like it, ignore it. Simple
dude lewis and max went head to head with no other threats on the field. get over it. if it went the other way, there would be no complaints. not even a max fan. im a Piastri fan
also, if it comes down to the last race of the season for a DC... can you blame the officals who have officiated every other race like shit? Is redbull complaining about officials/rules when the rest of the field has caught up to their once dominant car? no. have some grace.
"He put on Softs under the VSC" What VSC is Gasly's race engineer talking about? 22:15? A nit but still interesting to see how excitement can override good sense.
FIA 5/8ths 3/8ths rule. You, you, you, you, and you can un lap, but you, you and you can’t. And you two in the SC can go straight to home and collect £200, because I rolled a double six.
get over it, lewis lost fair and square and suckers like you can't get over it. It makes up for lewis nearly killing verstappen at silverstone if you really think you were hard done by
controversial moments in human history will always spark debate...people are still talking about senna/prost crash, senna's death, 9/11, moon landing, o.j Simpson. People will always debate things. If you don't like it, ignore it. Simple
Even Lewis doesn't care about it anymore. He actually didn't christmas 2021. It's just you wasting your life with an unneccesary battle against windmills. Do what you want, but don't annoy us with it.
The FIA at the time messed up with applying the rules correctly. Max was in the right place at the right time. End of.... doesn't mean either person deserved it more than the other, or that people were plotting against anyone. Just a coincidence. If it had happened the other way around would be saying the same thing as it would be max fans making up all these conspiracies
brother its time to get some professional help, 2021 is 3 years ago and Lewis is washed and overrated all his championships were due to Mercedes dominance, Rosberg proved it.
You've only been watching since Lawson started hence your ignorance. Only one champ has ever raced his team mate, most of the others are to some extent frauds.
I called this out how they conspired against Lewis to rob him of another world title when it first happened, Lewis should sue all involved and that includes f1
I have to say, you have the tenacity and endurance to keep making videos and you raise valid points. How ever, I agree with some points, disagree with quite some others. I think it is stretch to think everyone is in on the fix and fraud. Ask yourself: why would they be in on it? What would they gain? And if they were, why wait until the very last moment to make that happen? How could it be that Hamilton was on the verge of winning it anyway? To me that doesn't make sense. But if it is rotten to the core and corrupt, that would mean it has been starting a long time ago. That would make the titles be fore 2021 questionable, tainted and corrupt as well. And that corruption is making RBR lose it all now. If it is all contrived, fixed or what ever, what does that mean? When was the last valid and real champion? was that Hamilton? Vetttel, Alonso? Kimi, Schumacher? Or was it so bad most of the champions are fixed? It is a dangerous path to suggest 2021 was fixed due to a corrupt to the core organisation.
Answers - 1 - Were the RULES BROKEN?... Answer YES... Yet NOBODY said anything - they ALL went with it. But you can't get your head around that - they ALL went along with the rules being broken = ALL COMPLICIT. 2 - WHY? What did they have to gain?... Record AUDIENCE - 109.7 MILLION tuned in GLOBALLY = MORE MONEY for ALL... F1 grows it's AUDIENCE = EVERYONE GETS RICHER - Bigger prize money pot, FIA take bigger cut, Media get more money, TEAMS get more money (can charge SPONSORS more as brands are getting greater exposure). These are ALL underlying dynamics... WHY DID LIBERTY MEDIA BUY THE MARKETING RIGHTS... to make money.... 3 - Was is corrupt before - YES - CRASHGATE for sure. What about Hamilton's titles at Mercedes? let's not rule it out - but rather than SPECULATE - find the EVIDENCE.... HERE is EVIDENCE that 2021 was FIXED. Ultimately - once THIS FIX is bought to JUSTICE, further investigations can take place - but lets keep focus on the one that can EASILY be proven first. By all means question other things - but understand that THIS WAS FIXED, and ALL INVOLVED in the Sport just shut up about it...
The focus is on the most glaring robbery to date, you could argue F1 has always been fixed, some decisions can seem to go either way, same as football. It's very likely that to some extent it's always been fixed but it comes down to how much, this was blatant, smacked of outside influence with Masi's dithering. By all means break down the previous seasons with Lewis, Rosberg + Vettel, you might find only the recent seasons are available. Bear in mind in Bernie's era you had crashgate and you had Bernie who pretty much openly didn't like Lewis.
@@wibblywobbly99 Bernie did like Hamilton, but he liked Vettel more. And in 2021 it is my personal believe it was even in relation to wrong calls. Without Masi's controversial calls in Bahrain, Spa, Jeddah, ABu Dhabi and probably others, the season would have been very different. Well, just look at how the hybrid area started. 1 team dominated, locked engine rules for 3 years and the articles where it was said Mercedes knew about these regulations sooner. Even that the formula was based on their original design and Kers being the predecessor of the ERS. And I do feel F1xed has a point in the contrivance, however alot in his videos are just opinions, assumptions and interpretations of what he has read or seen. You can't prove corruption, fixing or accusing of manipulation without actual physical evidence of all these parties getting together. You need phone calls, emails. letters, bank accounts data, conversations. None of that has been shown here.
@@jamesatkins888 1- I agree. Rule were broken. But the fact nobody said anything doesn't mean they all wend with it. What are they complicit off? Where they the ones braking the rules? Where they the ones forcing it to be broken? 2- It is just possible they didn't say anything because they knew the rules and they knew unlapping is not absolutely mandatory. Why would teams all agree to contrive this at the very last moment? And in such a way that could potentially bring a dark shadow over the sport? I mean why did they use Latiffi? A Mercedes powered team, that was lead by Toto's wife. A team that had huge connections with Mercedes. Why would they contrive an ending to rob Hamilton? The teams and RD agreed that when ever possible, they would finish racing instead of behind the Safety car. They had a meeting and it was unanimously agreed to finish racing when possible. 3- I told someone else here that corruption takes many forms. But always ask yourself why. Ask for the why. And does it make sense? Look at these statements or questions: why would the whole F1 contrive or manipulate the season to let 1 driver win? Why would they do it in the last possible opportunity? (don't you think that if they wanted Verstappen to win, Hamilton would never been in a position to even win it? Ask yourself: Why was Hamilton still in the title race and dominating the whole race and almost win the race and title? What if Verstappen retired on lap 1-54. Hamilton only had to finish in the points and he would be champion. What would they have done? To be honest, a lot of your videos consist of speculations, assumptions, opinions and what ifs/couldawouldashoulda. You have a lot of evidence to suggest something was not done correctly, well done. I applaud your resourcefulness and your stamina. I have questioned a lot about all sports I follow, but we have far to little evidence to do anything. I found it highly suspicious that Mercedes suddenly became so dominant and the rumors, stories and articles about how they gained that dominance. And with the fixed rules in place which prevented engine development in an area where engines made the most difference, it guaranteed the titles for Mercedes. And after Lowe came clean and admitted Mercedes downgraded their engines out of fear for action from the FIA, I believe they were utterly dominant for the full 8 years of their tenure. But the one thing I don't understand is why the hate for Verstappen? He has been an aggressive driver for sure, but the hate towards him and his fans is not warranted and not necessary. Not here to undermine you.
It has been three! years.
You do realise controversial moments in human history will always spark debate...people are still talking about senna/prost crash, senna's death, 9/11, moon landing, o.j Simpson.
People will always debate things. If you don't like it, ignore it. Simple
@@marklawd91 life isn't fair. Both drivers have lost points unfairly. They always do, that is live. Grownups accept that fact and move on. They don't whine about it three years later.
I don't know what 'sim' is in aid of..
@secmff well this is a controversial moments just like the other moments I mentioned. And guess what happens when controversy happens, we spark debate. it's in our dna. Senna/prost is being talked about 35 years later.
This will be talked about for the rest of our lives, it will never go away. All you can do is ignore the talk.
So my question to you is - why are you still here? You clearly don't want to be here, so go and leave humans to do what they will ALWAYS DO...debate s***t.
Everyone forgets the reason the race was allowed to continue was because earlier in the season, BOTH Mercedes and Red Bull had said the race director should allow the race to restart if possible.
Also, they conveniently forget that Hamilton had MANY more points than he should have because of the favouritism he received by the FIA and constantly ignoring the rules when he cut corners, illegal overtakes, causing crashes etc etc.
I'm no Verstappen fan, but he is/was by far the better driver, and if that championship was stolen from him, it would have been the biggest steal in history.
Best ending to a season I've seen in almost 40 years.
Also, you conveniently forget that Verstappen had MANY more points than he should have because of the favourite of the FIA and constantly ignoring the rules when he cut corners, illegal overtakes, causing crashes etc etc.
Many People can't separate FACT from desired. You are a prime example.
We know Hamilton was screwed over, but if they aren't going to over turn it, let it go! Btw Verstappen is not a better driver than Hamilton! Just my .02
Hamilton outperformed Max in a worse car. And in the last race he was on old hards and still managed to keep Max 10's behind him until Latifi crashed.
Ham deserved the title and rightfully should have won it
@marklawd91 You clearly didn't watch any of the races that year. Don't believe everything you watch on Netflix as it's heavily edited...
Hamilton had the fastest car for at least 75% of the season, yet Verstappen beat him. Hamilton made many mistakes, which is fine, but he kept getting biased decisions by Masi and the FIA which were disgraceful and caused outrage among F1 fans (aside from the British broadcasts).
The season would and should have been over way earlier. Ham would cut corners, cause crashes, make illegal blocks, etc., yet kept getting away with it, time after time.
Also, Mercedes and RB were putting pressure on Masi and FIA to allow racing after Safety Cars if at all possible, to keep the show going but because Hamilton was leading the last race, it suddenly became a problem for Toto.
How Verstappen won that season will go down in history as one of the greatest F1 wins of all time.
Senna once had a similar season against Prost that the FIA managed to steal from him even though Senna was faster. At least this time the best driver won.
#StillWeCry
three years man... three years...
Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence. Masi sounds completely overwhelmed in every radio message from the end of that race.
Get over it mate, lewis should have pitted or defended better...SALTY MUCH.
you cant defend Fresh softs on 20-30 lap old Hards, also when its a cheat car in a manipulated race
Why are you so upset? 🧂
I'm absolutely no max fan, far from it, but god damn... yall need to let go.. it's been 3 years! This is just pathetic, go out, get some fresh air, use your time better than to analyze every little scene... Yes, things went wrong in the last race, heads have rolled, but lewis didn't have to be in that position to begin with... coulda easily locked the title away earlier in that car... Go out, get some fresh air, do something with your life other than obsessing with things that happened in the past... Can't wait for the max stans analyzing every scene from this year 10 years in the future to look for some conspirary that lost max his title this year...
Indeed and i prefer Lewis to max. Leclerc is my favorite.
controversial moments in human history will always spark debate...people are still talking about senna/prost crash, senna's death, 9/11, moon landing, o.j Simpson.
People will always debate things. If you don't like it, ignore it. Simple
TeamLH meltdown at its best
What will he do if Massa wins his case and Lewis will be stripped of a championship? Complete meltdown till eternity? :) I will be back to watch!!
dude lewis and max went head to head with no other threats on the field. get over it. if it went the other way, there would be no complaints. not even a max fan. im a Piastri fan
also, if it comes down to the last race of the season for a DC... can you blame the officals who have officiated every other race like shit? Is redbull complaining about officials/rules when the rest of the field has caught up to their once dominant car? no. have some grace.
"He put on Softs under the VSC"
What VSC is Gasly's race engineer talking about? 22:15? A nit but still interesting to see how excitement can override good sense.
FIA 5/8ths 3/8ths rule.
You, you, you, you, and you can un lap, but you, you and you can’t.
And you two in the SC can go straight to home and collect £200, because I rolled a double six.
Average car merchant pewis pamilton fan
Someone forgot to watch the 2022-2023 season
Oh my god three years and your still crying about it, move on with your lives will you sweet Jesus man 😂😂😂
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"Rotten to the core", could not have said it better.
get over it, lewis lost fair and square and suckers like you can't get over it. It makes up for lewis nearly killing verstappen at silverstone if you really think you were hard done by
controversial moments in human history will always spark debate...people are still talking about senna/prost crash, senna's death, 9/11, moon landing, o.j Simpson.
People will always debate things. If you don't like it, ignore it. Simple
Even Lewis doesn't care about it anymore. He actually didn't christmas 2021. It's just you wasting your life with an unneccesary battle against windmills.
Do what you want, but don't annoy us with it.
The FIA at the time messed up with applying the rules correctly. Max was in the right place at the right time. End of.... doesn't mean either person deserved it more than the other, or that people were plotting against anyone. Just a coincidence. If it had happened the other way around would be saying the same thing as it would be max fans making up all these conspiracies
brother its time to get some professional help, 2021 is 3 years ago and Lewis is washed and overrated all his championships were due to Mercedes dominance, Rosberg proved it.
Average Verstappen fan lmao
@@AffeCoco sorry no lol Lets GOOOO LAWSON though
Couldn’t agree more. Salty pom
You've only been watching since Lawson started hence your ignorance. Only one champ has ever raced his team mate, most of the others are to some extent frauds.
@@wibblywobbly99 I started watching in 1985 you muppet
I called this out how they conspired against Lewis to rob him of another world title when it first happened, Lewis should sue all involved and that includes f1
I have to say, you have the tenacity and endurance to keep making videos and you raise valid points.
How ever, I agree with some points, disagree with quite some others.
I think it is stretch to think everyone is in on the fix and fraud.
Ask yourself: why would they be in on it? What would they gain? And if they were, why wait until the very last moment to make that happen? How could it be that Hamilton was on the verge of winning it anyway?
To me that doesn't make sense.
But if it is rotten to the core and corrupt, that would mean it has been starting a long time ago. That would make the titles be fore 2021 questionable, tainted and corrupt as well.
And that corruption is making RBR lose it all now. If it is all contrived, fixed or what ever, what does that mean? When was the last valid and real champion? was that Hamilton? Vetttel, Alonso? Kimi, Schumacher? Or was it so bad most of the champions are fixed?
It is a dangerous path to suggest 2021 was fixed due to a corrupt to the core organisation.
Answers -
1 - Were the RULES BROKEN?... Answer YES... Yet NOBODY said anything - they ALL went with it.
But you can't get your head around that - they ALL went along with the rules being broken = ALL COMPLICIT.
2 - WHY? What did they have to gain?... Record AUDIENCE - 109.7 MILLION tuned in GLOBALLY = MORE MONEY for ALL... F1 grows it's AUDIENCE = EVERYONE GETS RICHER - Bigger prize money pot, FIA take bigger cut, Media get more money, TEAMS get more money (can charge SPONSORS more as brands are getting greater exposure).
These are ALL underlying dynamics... WHY DID LIBERTY MEDIA BUY THE MARKETING RIGHTS... to make money....
3 - Was is corrupt before - YES - CRASHGATE for sure. What about Hamilton's titles at Mercedes? let's not rule it out - but rather than SPECULATE - find the EVIDENCE.... HERE is EVIDENCE that 2021 was FIXED.
Ultimately - once THIS FIX is bought to JUSTICE, further investigations can take place - but lets keep focus on the one that can EASILY be proven first.
By all means question other things - but understand that THIS WAS FIXED, and ALL INVOLVED in the Sport just shut up about it...
The focus is on the most glaring robbery to date, you could argue F1 has always been fixed, some decisions can seem to go either way, same as football. It's very likely that to some extent it's always been fixed but it comes down to how much, this was blatant, smacked of outside influence with Masi's dithering. By all means break down the previous seasons with Lewis, Rosberg + Vettel, you might find only the recent seasons are available. Bear in mind in Bernie's era you had crashgate and you had Bernie who pretty much openly didn't like Lewis.
@@wibblywobbly99 Bernie did like Hamilton, but he liked Vettel more.
And in 2021 it is my personal believe it was even in relation to wrong calls.
Without Masi's controversial calls in Bahrain, Spa, Jeddah, ABu Dhabi and probably others, the season would have been very different.
Well, just look at how the hybrid area started. 1 team dominated, locked engine rules for 3 years and the articles where it was said Mercedes knew about these regulations sooner. Even that the formula was based on their original design and Kers being the predecessor of the ERS.
And I do feel F1xed has a point in the contrivance, however alot in his videos are just opinions, assumptions and interpretations of what he has read or seen.
You can't prove corruption, fixing or accusing of manipulation without actual physical evidence of all these parties getting together. You need phone calls, emails. letters, bank accounts data, conversations. None of that has been shown here.
@@jamesatkins888
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I agree. Rule were broken. But the fact nobody said anything doesn't mean they all wend with it. What are they complicit off? Where they the ones braking the rules? Where they the ones forcing it to be broken?
2-
It is just possible they didn't say anything because they knew the rules and they knew unlapping is not absolutely mandatory.
Why would teams all agree to contrive this at the very last moment? And in such a way that could potentially bring a dark shadow over the sport?
I mean why did they use Latiffi? A Mercedes powered team, that was lead by Toto's wife. A team that had huge connections with Mercedes. Why would they contrive an ending to rob Hamilton?
The teams and RD agreed that when ever possible, they would finish racing instead of behind the Safety car. They had a meeting and it was unanimously agreed to finish racing when possible.
3-
I told someone else here that corruption takes many forms. But always ask yourself why. Ask for the why.
And does it make sense? Look at these statements or questions:
why would the whole F1 contrive or manipulate the season to let 1 driver win?
Why would they do it in the last possible opportunity? (don't you think that if they wanted Verstappen to win, Hamilton would never been in a position to even win it? Ask yourself: Why was Hamilton still in the title race and dominating the whole race and almost win the race and title? What if Verstappen retired on lap 1-54. Hamilton only had to finish in the points and he would be champion. What would they have done?
To be honest, a lot of your videos consist of speculations, assumptions, opinions and what ifs/couldawouldashoulda.
You have a lot of evidence to suggest something was not done correctly, well done. I applaud your resourcefulness and your stamina.
I have questioned a lot about all sports I follow, but we have far to little evidence to do anything.
I found it highly suspicious that Mercedes suddenly became so dominant and the rumors, stories and articles about how they gained that dominance. And with the fixed rules in place which prevented engine development in an area where engines made the most difference, it guaranteed the titles for Mercedes.
And after Lowe came clean and admitted Mercedes downgraded their engines out of fear for action from the FIA, I believe they were utterly dominant for the full 8 years of their tenure.
But the one thing I don't understand is why the hate for Verstappen? He has been an aggressive driver for sure, but the hate towards him and his fans is not warranted and not necessary.
Not here to undermine you.
Not really!!..How is that RBR has suddenly no longer remained dominant eh!!??.
womp womp lewis lost get over it