Why Kimi Räikkönen should have FOUR titles
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Kimi is absolutely one of F1 greatest Drivers
I spken to him snfand he didnt care. Hee's a twat.
kimi raikkonen is like james hunt who does not care about so many victories and championships
one championship by one point fits his personality
The fact that Hunt won his championship with a total of 69 points _really_ fits his personality
@@potatogirlcultist19 to be fair, I'd hope that's true for anyone, no real reason it shouldn't.
polar opposite of Max 😂
"so Max we're leading the championship by 240 points, take it easy in Q1"
Max: "why the F were my tires 2 degrees out of the ideal operating range during my push lap that was still half a second ahead of P2!?"
@@daarom3472 10 second stop go penalty for swearing
I disagree. Raikkonen is leagues above a lesser driver like Hunt. He was hyper competitive in his youth too.
Raikkonen got seriously let down my McLaren's reliability issues in the early 2000s.
2003 - Ferrari complaining about Michelin tyres cost Raikkonen the championship in the last three races
2005 - Raikkonen's mistakes and few retirements could not catch up with Alonso
2007 - He won this one with a dominant second half of the season.
2008 - The span of four races from Valencia to Singapore eliminated Raikkonen from the title fight.
2012 - Vettel and Alonso dominated the second half of the season, while Lotus lost their form.
Yep. At the very least he should have won the 2005 title. Just imagine how often he DNF'd from the lead or had to start from the back is more than enough.
Basically similar was 2003, when McLaren wasn't able to bring their new car and he had to fight for a title with a one year old car and only barely missed out.
Kimi's career basically summarizes everything wrong with company culture in McLaren and Ferrari, some of which lives on until today.
2003 - Sort of confirms the Ferrari International Association (FIA) sentiments
2005- Tbh McLaren were in the doldrums between 2004 and 2006. Both the Renaults and Ferraris (despite being vastly inferior to the superb F2004) were more competitive during this period, while the McLaren was certainly better than the Ferrari in 2005, losing DC as a reliable second driver certainly hurted his title changes.
2007 - His title chances were aided by McLaren's infighting and tomfxxxery that season. If Lewis or Fernando, either one of them scored two points more, then McLaren would've won the drivers champions, though whether Spygate would DQ them from the drivers champions as well is unknown.
2008 - Ferrari prioritising Massa, a great yet, throughout his career, often inconsistent and error-prone driver for the Driver's titles was what costed Kimi and Ferrari the Driver's Championship
Raikkonen was much better in the second half of 2007, but lets be real here.. He won because Alonso and Hamilton were lopping eachothers ankles off every other race. Almost akin currently with Piastri and Norris to Verstappen.. Except instead of the pair holding each other back from getting to 1st in the Drivers', in 2007 they were battling for 1st and losing out because of it (the equivalent of Norris missing out on the Drivers where the battles with Piastri made the difference).. That's how Raikkonen won, with good driving but also a massive shtstorm within the McLaren team.
Few retirements in 2005 is putting it lightly. 6 of the 7 retirements cost him a potential win.
And apart from stalling in Australia, the infamous locked wheel at Nurburgring and the spin at Monza, Kimi rarely put a foot wrong.
2008 entire season was "Ferrari sabotaging Kimi" because they wanted to hire Alonso... despite Kimi just winning the title for them and Alonso having a difficult 2007
If he had got those 4 titles, he'd undoubtly be nominated for the list of the greatest drivers, but its mainly the statistics that count
Being a WDC, and as of now, the last, for Ferrari is something no one will ever be able to take away from him, though.
He definitely is. Even during his "I don't care" era, and especially during 2018 and the first part of 2019, you find some amazing moments
@@LeonardoAldana43No Offense but from 2014 - 2018 we wasn't that fast
@@NitroGT78 I said moments, not the whole time. His pole in Monaco 2017, the pole lap that never was in Baku, record lap in Monza, win at COTA, basically the entire first part of 2019 and Portugal 2020
@@LeonardoAldana43 Was about to mention Portimao. Räikkönen absolutely demolished the field in the opening lap.
The craziest thing about Raïkkonen's title history is, according to me, that his only title was probably "less deserved" than some of the ones he missed (especially 2005). I still wonder how F1 would have evolved if he had won 2005 then Alonso had won 2006 and 2007.
2005-2008 is crazy period, for me, in F1®, with many many cases.
@@RadityaPramanaPutra2001 I agree but I’d extend it to 2010 (with 2003 and 2012 as extra extensions)
he still deserved it the most in 2007, he was easily the best driver that season all things considered
He deserved 2007 more than Hamilton or Alonso.
@@Antistar_TV ✅✅✅✅✅
In the list of all-time fastest laps, Kimi is third behind Schumacher and Hamilton and ahead of Prost and Vettel in 4th and 5th. The first two both won 7 titles. The last two won 4 titles. Kimi is the anomaly among them with just 1 title. I'd say that McLaren's reliability issues and Santander's decision to develop the 2008 Ferrari around Massa (they wanted Massa and Alonso in the team) was the culprit for those titles not being Kimi's.
@@McLarenMercedes For me, this is one of the greatest anomaly, in-between two 7x time world champions and two 4x time world champions from different generations (although Lewis and Seb is in the same generation, actually).
Once Kimi lost Jean Todt as an ally at Ferrari the whole Latin thing took over. That's how it often is at Ferrari. Suddenly you're out of favour just as Prost or Lauda was.
Kimi is shit, overrated af
@@elta6241excuses
@@elta6241 Jean Todt wanted the 2008 Ferrari to be developed using Kimi's input and fitting his driving style. The Ferrari supremo however wanted Schumacher's testing input (he still did "consulting jobs" for Ferrari even as retired) to be the basis of the 2008 car. That car fitted the understeering style of Massa a lot more than Kimi's like for oversteering cars.
On top of that powerful main sponsor Santander wanted Alonso and Massa in the team. Ferrari wanted Kimi and Alonso. But keeping Massa would mean "big opportunities" for Santander in South America. Santander had a huge say in this.
So Kimi had to go. How? By ignoring his desires and wishes. As for the understeering 2008 Ferrari. Kimi reported he couldn't set it up to his liking and it only began to show oversteer characeristics when the rear tires had worn down enough. Which explains how Kimi had a record 10 fastest laps in 2008, matching his own record from 2005 and Schumacher's from 2004. How did he manage 10 fastest laps (including 6 in a row!!) but only win 2 races? That mathematical anomaly is explained in that the 2008 Ferrari wasn't designed around him like it should have.
10 fastest laps (a record) in 2008 dispels any silly notions Kimi didn't try in 2008. As soon as the car had oversteer (thanks to worn rear tires) he banged in loads of fastest laps proving his raw speed and potential if he could get a car to his liking.
It's a real pity for the team valued his technical input in testing.
I'm so sad I'm too young to have seen prime Kimi. He's the reason I started supporting Ferrari. Love your stuff Peter!👍
prime Schumacher,Hamilton were much stronger drivers .
Meanwhile, Ferrari is the reason why I starting supporting him.
@@19megamustaine85 'much stronger'? ridiculous assertion
@@19megamustaine85 Kimi had the best prime, It's so much scarier compared to Schumacher or Hamilton
@@XVI_Calicoit's always that way when such potential is unfulfilled, who knows how many more wins Kimi could've taken if reliability was on his side
'Bwoah, well I'm not.'
- Kimi Raikkonen. Likely response.
When Hamilton lost the 2007 title in the last race(Brazil) due to Hydraulic issues in his McLaren , it was amazing to hear people denounce Komi and say he got lucky.
Kimi straight up left McLaren because of Championships being pissed down the drain . If anything it just solidified him making the right choice to leave
It's quite crazy that he signed the Ferrari contract in 2005.
It's ironic that McLaren became the most reliable car (though likely due to cheating) after he left the team, while he got more bad luck still with Ferrari.
The MP4-18 was intended to run in 2003 but the concept just didn't work (Newey already wanted to redesign the car in 2003 but was outvoted and the flawed concept was kept) and the drivers suffered massive testing crashes due to mechanical failures. According to Newey, the MP4-19 was just a rebadged MP4-18, and it worked just as well as it did in testing the previous year (i.e. not very well at all) until Newey finally got to fix the fundamental problems.
Put kimi in the current Mclaren and see what would happen. Some of the greats have said that Kimi had the most natural talent of anyone.
He'd do better than the woman they have leading the team now..but he won't ever go back to them. They let him down way too much.
Two 3rd places with Lotus are worth like 5 titles
(Yes i know in 2013 he actually finished 5th but he sat for 2 races in which he woulda get enought pts to be 3rd)
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2008 was really frustrating to watch as a Kimi fan. After his win in Spain, Kimi, at the press conference after the race, said something like "I hope the rest of the season goes like this" and I remember thinking I hope he didn't just jinx his season lol. But the real frustrating thing was that during the period in 2008 when he was struggling with the car, there were still races he could have easily won but didn't due to different reasons. Kimi was dominating the French GP from pole and then his exhaust failed and he ended up limping home in 2nd behind Massa. Still a decent result but it's a race he would have won. In Canada, Kimi was catching Hamilton before the safety car came out, and then had jumped Hamilton in the pit lane with only Kubica ahead of him. I think Kimi would have won that race if Lewis hadn't driven into him. He would have at the very least finished 2nd if Hamilton won. Then at Spa, Kimi was again dominating the race until the late stages. Watching Kimi go wide at blanchimont and then aquaplane into the wall was rough, but later I read an interview with his race engineer at the time and according to him Kimi was going to pit for inters at the end of that lap. I'm not sure how true that is, but if he had made it to the pits I think he would have won the race. I'm basing that on how much faster everyone who actually did change tyres were compared to everyone else still on dry tyres.
Very similar to 2018 with Vettel. When Vettel started making mistakes in the 2nd half of 2018, Kimi was better and faster and could of probably won 2018 if wasn't a number 2.
Slightly off-topic, but that 10/8/6 points system introduced in 2003, primarily as an attempt to stop Michael from running away with anymore titles, was a load of old crap and its legacy still rumbles on to this day. The distribution ratio has been knackered and unfair ever since. Even though it gave us some close title battles, I hated it. Talk about undervaluing the winner and over-rewarding 2nd and 3rd. You could nearly nick a title on seconds and thirds alone (and a single win), as Kimi almost did in 2003. Under the previous system, he would have been close but not THAT close.
@@zigzagwandrr 2003 was actually the only example of this. But if you re-count 2005 in 10/6/4, then you'll see that we were robbed of the direct title fight going all the way down to Shanghai.
For me, he's my racing hero.
The thing people struggle to understand is that F1 is a team sport. Together, the team and the driver win the championship. If Lando Norris wins the championship in 2024 (unlikely), he’ll deserve it, he should have it, together with McLaren. Even if Verstappen has been the faster driver. Same goes with Alonso and Renault. Is the combination of man and machine that deserves the championship, even if Kimi was the fastest driver in 2005. And I say this as a diehard Alonso fan. I rank Kimi very highly on the list of champions. He won a championship without having the best car and nearly won another in 2003. But I don’t agree he “should” have 4 titles. You could argue he had the speed, but as I said F1 is a team sport, and the team did not do a good enough job
Norris is not as good of a driver as Max, Alonso or Kimi. He is inconsistent and not as talented as some of the other drivers.
👏 Exactly 💯 F1 is a team sport with many variables at play ( luck is even one of the many different variables in F1 and every other sport )
Statistically speaking, he is lucky he even has 1 F1 title, and a lot of people call Alonso unlucky, yet it could be worse, ( he was lucky enough to be at Renault in 05/06 in a car that HELPED him win 2 titles in a row ..I would hardly call him unlucky....)
" Should " implies that the drivers who won the title in those 3 other years don't deserve their championships at all.
Of course in reality this bloke is just doing his job making videos for YT he probably doesn't actually belive Kimi should have 4 WDC...After all " should " is a very strong word...
Exactly. He COULD have had 4, doesn't mean that he should.
@@aspi7850 Anyone who thinks F1 is not a team sport will be very suprised next year when Carlos Sainz switches to Williams and fails to win races and podiums and score as many points as he did in the Ferrari this year
Well unless Williams throws everything into there car development in the last year of the current regulations.
@@liamlaus Even Sebastian Vettel more better than Lando (not biased, despite I'm Seb's fan).
in the last 20 years there should been 40 champion winners, Im a Raikkonen fan and imo he should been champion in 2003, 2005 and 2013 based on his driving, 2007 was Hamilton year, only reason he lost was his age/lack of experience
2012 not 2013
Ciaron is that you?
Not this time! But a great vid nonetheless.
@@ciaronsmith4995 I could've sworn you brainwashed him with all the Kimi propaganda you've been spewing to him on the podcast.
@@ciaronsmith4995 The video is okay, he could have pointed out many more things regarding Raikkonen's incredible speed & racecraft.
ICEMAN MENTIONED, someone get my gloves and steering wheel!!! Gloves!!! MARK!! Gloves, steering wheel!!! Gloves and steering wheel, YEAH!! Hey!! HEY!!!!
MOOOVEE!! SOMEBODY TELL HIM TO GIVE IT TO ME!!!
KIMI You will not have the drink
Somebody tell him to give it to me!
Kimi is eternal
I started watching F1 with my dad in 1998 and as a german of course my favorite is Michael but I always liked his rival at that time, Mika, as well. They're my two favorites and for me, the best drivers. And Kimi in fact was the successor of both of them at McLaren, then Ferrari. In the mid 2000s he was the fastest driver overall and 2003 and 2005 he definitely should have won the title. Kimi is a legend and in his prime from 2003 to 2007 better than Michael, Fernando and a young Lewis in raw speed
Also his return with Lotus-Renault should not be underappreciated. While Michael's return in 2010 was a overall failure, he got 2 wins in two years with the 4th best car and took a lot of 2nd places
The suspension not being changed back still baffles mee
One thing you forgot to mention is that Ferrari really wanted to show that it was Ferrari which won championships, not any specific driver which made Ferrari win. Its why it was important that both Kimi and Massa would win, and then they wanted Alonso to win as well. That would make it clear that its not just Schumacher or Todt or Brawn who made them win.
In the end we dont know full story of this, so it could be more innocent. But it would be far from craziest F1 conspiracy that has been proven to happen, and there are lot of which almost certainly did happen and we cant just objectively prove them.
13:30 That Santander Entrance here in Brazil, happened when they bought the Banco Real, which was one of the official transmission sponsors, so that made a lot of sense to stick with Massa. Santander Sponsoring Ferrari, who was with Massa + being the sponsor of the official broadcast, made Santander get a lot of clients.
Ferrari made fun with Kimi after year 2007, iceman is now still final ferrari f1 champion :)
As an Alonso fan, Raikkonen definitely deserved to be a multi-time champ: he was the most consistent in 2003 and the fastest in 2005 (although I believe Renault sacrificed power for reliability with their engine), and in 2008 I totally believe that he got politicked out of support to defend his deserved ‘07 title
Hmmmmmmmmmm... not with you on 08, in fact Alonso 07 > Raikkonen 08 tbh.
2003 is very debateable, JPM was also very consistent. Kimi obviously lost a certain win in Europe and who knows what being forced to start Spain from the back row cost him, similar with the German GP pile up. I think it's fair to argue that he lost 20 points through no fault of his own. Maybe a couple more, maybe a couple less.
JPM probably lost a win in Japan and arguably Austria too. He also probably lost a podium when Pizzonia wiped him out in Malaysia and the FIA's ridiculous penalty in the USA. He did cost himself a couple of points in Australia with his spin though. San Marino he also had refuelling issue forcing an unplanned additional stop, that cost him a bunch of points, possibly a podium considering Rubens' issues. So, Montoya lost at least 25-27 points, but potentially 34-36 through no fault of his own.
There was only 9 points between them at the end, so there's plenty of permutations for both winning it. Having DC as a team mate helped Kimi (didn't cost him points anywhere because he beat both in Australia). Ralf sometimes used to turn into Michael for a weekend - I think anyone would have struggled to beat him in those moods, that cost JPM probably another 6 or so points. So, I tend to think, if their luck was equal, Montoya probably would have nicked it.
Renault is overall best car in 2005. Reliable and still fast af despite McLaren edging it out in speed.
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With this thinking, Ferrari and Schumi should have 9 titles with both 2005 and 2006 belonging to them as the tyre rule changes were only to stop Ferrari's dominance.
Before 2007, Kimi's biggest enemy were his cars. After 2007, it was himself. It was saddening to see him lose interest more and more every race until his (first) retirement. His second sting was nothing but a cash grab and he didn't even bother to hide it. It's a shame, his career could have been a lot better if he wasn't... Well, himself.
Still love him, though.
To be fair his first 1,5 seasons were still pretty strong even for Kimis standards, especially that first season with Lotus
I'd say 2008 and 2009 was more of a team's fault. Kimi had some brilliant races in 09 with crap car and in 08 seems like he was just getting screwed by the team both with that suspension change and the Santander-Alonso deal. No wonder he lost his motivation and was the shadow of his former self
And Lotus didn‘t even pay him so we can hardly talk about a cash grab. From 2014-2018 then he had to play second fiddle to Alonso and Vettel and had no chance against the dominant Mercedes until 2017 when his best years were almost certainly behind him.
Had nothing to do with losing interest.....had to do with the fact Massa had familiarity with Bridgestone/Ferrari chassis and Kimi did not. Stop with this motivation nonsense.
@@ciaronsmith4995 That doesn’t explain why Kimi outscored Massa by 25 points in first 20 races as teammates
As an Italian I am happy that Ferrari gave him the chance to win a world championship. Unfortunately Kimi is the last driver in red to have won in Ferrari and our period of starvation from victories has continued for 17 years
That's how it sometimes is. You need a bit of luck and good timing. He should certainly be a multiple champion.
People losing it over Max winning in Brazil from P17 last sunday must have forgotten about Kimi. I don't mean to lessen Max' achievement, I'm a bit of a Verstappen stan myself, but Max profited a lot from changing tires under the red flag which came out _after_ Norris and Russell had already done regular pit stops. It was an impressive display of skill, but peak Kimi still kinda one-ups that for me.
Edit: I'm really, really growing to hate Stefano Domenicali. In addition to blocking Andretti for bullshit reasons, now I learned he conspired against Kimi.
2008 is IMO too many if and ifs but 2003 and 2005 were absolutely years when Kimi deserved world championships. No wonder that Kimi wanted a break from F1 after first Ferrari stint.
A bit of far away before Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari is one of the main reason why I starting supporting Kimi Räikkönen. Seb is still my main hero, but Kimi is the first one, so if I Ferrari's fan (actually i'm neutral about teams), you can say 2015-2018 is one of my favorite period in F1® (and it's fact), although 2006-2013 is actually my childhood (and still my most favorite) era.
Hey Peter, if you will like to make another reverse F1 season, 2021 could be one of the best
One big what if I have is: What if Ferrari had decided to bring Kimi Raikkonen in as Michael Schumacher's teammate for 2002 (which they considered but decided against because they thought Kimi wasn't mature enough)? How would his career have progressed and how would the careers of other drivers panned out (for example Nick Heidfeld, assuming he becomes David Coulthard's teammate at McLaren after Hakkinen takes his "sabbatical")?
no wonder Kimi never was happy giving interviews for German TV again after the Ferrari Blunders :D
0:10 Verstappen is arguably the best driver in F1 history, he's at least top 10. His first title was controversial, but the following 2 were very well deserved.
Love Raikkonen but did ciaron smith hijack the channel lmao
🤣
Not enough cope about the 2014 season.
It's about damn time somebody agrees with me. I didn't even need to watch this
13:23 impressive when Peter Brook show where I work in his video
2005 is a pretty similar season to 2022, although the mclaren didn't have to turn down their engines in the second half of the year, giving renault a dominant pace advantage. mclaren just remained unreliable and unlucky
Justice for Raikkonen
Schumacher should have at least 10. Add 1999 and 2006. 1999 he would have dominated given how close Irvine came, and 2006 he went on a rampage in second half coming back from 26 points behind to lead, before his engine blew in suzuka which was unprecedented given their reliability. Same can be said for Alonso but then again Hamilton sent him on his merry way.
eh Alonso also had bad luck in Hungary and Italy in 2006, it's even in bad luck and Alonso won fair and square.
In the thumbnail photo used for this video, Kimi looks a dead ringer for Rene Arnoux.
He's not just a champion, HE'S THE LAST FERRARI CHAMPION FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS
I seem to remember the MP4-17D blowing up a lot on TV, not sure they solved all the reliability issues hahahahah
Of course it would've been nice to see him win more titles, especially as a fanboy, but the way the McLaren drivers lost the title to him makes '07 that more special.
Yeah yeah yeah, he wasn't even supposed to win his only title in 2007 lol
It will be perfect if Lewis and Fernando swapped their statistics. Lewis don't deserve to be a 7 time champion and be compared with the statistics of Micheal.
Basically, it would have been a really bad look for Ferrari to get rid of a 2 time world champion, so there was some behind the scenes... actions... being taken, all in an atempt to melt the iceman and make him look like he wasn't passionate for the sport anymore
Implying that Kimi should have won 2008 is a stretch and a half if I've ever seen one. He had terrible second half of the season, and most of it was because of his own rather amateur mistakes.
Lulu should have 0
Rosberg should have 3
Schumi should have 8
Villuneve should have 0
Bottas should have 2
Vettel should have 6
Massa should have 1
That’s the only fair thing
Who's should won the 2019 and 2020 seasons, according to you?
This is why I piss on Santander's car loan offers every time I am presented one.
Why shouldn't Max have any? Last season was no contest?
Hamilton should have 7... cos Massa should have one if his and he should have one of Max's
Do you mean, 2008 Felipe Massa and 2021 Lewis Hamilton? I think so.
Working time fraud has never been committed so quickly
Nah, I love Kimi but I think his one title is about right, it should have just been 2005 and not 2007. The fact Raikkonen and Montoya were still in the championship fight at the end in 2003 despite only having won one race each was a bit of a joke. He did a great job at the end of 2007 but I still view that very much as a title Mclaren lost rather than Ferrari won. He didn't have a great 2008 season, ironically had a very strong 2009 season in a junk car and was never truly in it in 2012 despite some good drives and a fast car at some points. On a kind of related but not really relevant note here's my list of who should have won each title since 2000 based on the loose and entirely subjective view of who "deserved it".
2000 - 2004 - Schumacher
2005 - Raikkonen
2006 - Alonso
2007 - Hamilton
2008 - Massa
2009 - Button
2010 - 2011 - Vettel (even though I really want to say Webber for 2010)
2012 - Alonso
2013 - Vettel
2014 - 2015 - Hamilton
2016 - Rosberg
2017 - Hamilton
2018 - Vettel
2019 - 2020 - Hamilton
2021 - 2023 - Verstappen
So not a lot changes really overall, Hamilton becomes a 6 x champion instead of 7 and Massa gets 1 which sounds about right.
Goat video
How much did Ciaron pay you😂
Kimi can be somed up simply, he drives his best when there are no expectations. He was brilliant with Sauber, Lotus and had moments with the top teams. But as soon as he was in a team that could win the championship, he under performed. Even in 2007. I hate it when people try make like teams would sobotage their drivers, its just nuts. They are still several people that believe Red Bull made Perez so crap, costing them the championship. Makes zero sense
Interlagos 2006... "Had his victory taken away for a technicality with the official classification". Eeehm no, Fisichella won the race as stablished by the rules. Raikkonen and most people (including the marshalls) thought they've won the race. Things clarified, the victory was given to the correct driver.
Similar video idea: what if Norris was good on the first lap of a gran prix
Kimi's mclaren couldn't stay together for a race lol
2003, 2005 & 2008 - Kimi's Missed Title!
KIMI GLAZERS ASSEMBLE‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️
Hamilton should really have more like 10
2021 obvs
2016, Malaysia engine failure costing him the title
2007 crashing in China but also mechanical issues in Brazil which cost him by 1 point
2010 maybe as well since he had some horrible luck but that was anyone’s between the top 4
Nope, since he shouldn't have 2008
Kimi Raikkonen was probably the top-3 most talented drivers ever in F1. At least up there among the best. He just wanted to have a life outside of F1 and didn't commit himself 100%. Ron Dennis said that Kimi was the fastest driver he has ever seen. And that guy had Senna, Prost, Lauda and Hakkinen in his team. Kimi was an absolute BEAST in his McLaren days. For whatever reason he was never again the same driver at Ferrari (despite winning the title there in 2007). Either way he was quite a character and I miss guys like him.
Now the drivers are boring, politically correct and they all look like boy band members with their electric cars. ZERO charisma. Kimi, Montoya, Hunt, Piquet, Keke, Senna, Lauda and even whining Mansell were real hardcore drivers. Alonso is the only one left.
Max isnt a hardcore driver?
@@keramik1269 Yeah you're right. Max definitely is. But he's the only one of the "new era".
Great video!
He should definitely be a multiple world champion.
He was absolutely robbed of two titles at McLaren due to unreliable machines.
I was scrolling looking for your comment. Not a wild goose chase 😂
@@ciaronsmith4995 Crazy thing is I still believe Kimi Raikkonen overachieved in his Formula 1 career given he had like 23 races of junior driving experience and never clearly had the best car.
I agree. Hamilton should have had 10. It's just that Hamilton failed to win three titles despite having the best and the fastest car on the grid. Kimi benefitted once. Then there was Rosberg and Verstappen. Alonso should have had 3 or 4. But yet again, he failed to transform the best and the fastest car and championship leads mid season into a WC.
I felt like Kimi let off the gas after 2007, winning that title took an edge off him that he never got back, before that he honestly seemed above Alonso.
I hate when FIA change the rules during the season. Come on!
shoulda, woulda, coulda...life's not fair. deal with it!
That's the reality of life.
2008 was LONG
And you are forgetting that Raikkonen was a nadir 6th, while Massa won in Valencia, before his engine failure for 2008? He was absolutely horrible in that race.
You should mention his mistakes Canada and Spain where he lost huge amount of points.
Canada didn't make a difference - he had a puncture in the race.
You should mention his engine failure at Nurburgring and how his car was way slower than the Williams or Ferrari.
@@ciaronsmith4995 So only Spain left. He could finish in the p4 or p5 and won the championship
And Alonso should have TEN
Alonso should have 1.
How, he didn't have that many cars capable of doing that never mind the other teams around him being better.
his prime was too short. didn't know what happened to him during the second stint at Ferrari.
Vettel since 2020? Destroyed by Leclerc like Kimi in 2014.
To me, Kimi should have one. 2003. He made more mistakes than Alonso in 2005 and spent half of 2007 being the 4th wheel of the top 4 drivers. The title was an opportunity too good to miss when Hamilton had trouble and Ferrari inverted the cars, but on performance, Kimi was not catching Massa that day.
2008 he also made mistakes and lost ground, even if everyone made mistakes that year, he couldn't get it going. Had some bad luck too.
What? In 2007 he was unbelievably good. He had to adapt to a new car/new tyres that his teammate had been accustomed to since 2002. And still won the title. In 2005 he was far better than Alonso - Kimi made less mistakes than Alonso that season. Alonso crashed in Montreal, burned his tyres in Monaco and lost his front wing in Hungary. Kimi also had far worse luck with reliability.
@@ciaronsmith4995 dude, no one cares that he had to adapt other than himself. Alonso too was driving different tyres that year, so what?
In Monaco 2005 both Renaults had tyre issues. It was not a mistake.
Now, I'll wait for you to mention Kimi wrecking his tyre and retiring from an easy win at Nurburgring. Later, it was said that the retirement in San Marino was also due to his procedures on the formation lap.
You're a fan, i get it, but you should accept that people can have different opinions than you.
you know f1 drivers' championships aren't representative of talent when kimi and alonso combined have less titles than vettel-
You lost me at 0:09 Verstappen shouldn't have any.
Yeah, anytime when I hearing Peter says that, I always wondering who is the 2023 world champion. 2021 and 2022? I can answering that.
Imagine favoring Massa over Kimi Typical Ferrari
Logically speaking if Kimi had won in 2003 or 2005 he would have had good reason to stay at Mclaren and he most certainly should have won 2005 more than any driver in the history of sport no-one was more dominant yet had so many car failures. Given a win or wins in 2003/2005 Kimi I believe most certainly would have stayed at Mclaren for 2007 and in that car he would have won without any shadow of doubt because it was reliable and pointy as he liked it -similarly for 2008.
Given only small changes fortune it would be easy to see Kimi with at least 3 titles at Mclaren 2003, 2005, 2007, 2008. Beyond this I'm certain someone like Red Bull would have made a run for Kimi in 2009 as they were on the rise. I think he would have taken 1 or two titles away from Seb between 2010-13.
I think Kimi could easily have had 4 titles between 2003-2013 at the right team. When you win everyone wants you and I'm certain if he left F1 for any reason as he did after2009 & returned to a team like RB in 2011-2012, or even Mercedes in 2014 onwards the story would be very different. I think Hamilton would not have 7 and/or Vettel would not have 4.
I'm certain Kimi had the speed and motivation for at least 4 titles even before the hybrid era...The rest is just opportunity and that would certainly have come had the Mclaren not imploded so badly . This is precisely what happened to Lewis and he got the "opportunity" exactly at the right time and the rest is as they say history.
If kimi should have been 4 time World Champion we also can say Hamilton should have been 10-12 Time champion as Schumacher, prost is 4x champ and should have been 8, lauda is 3x champ and should have won 4, Senna got 3 championships and could have got 6/7, vettel have 4 titles and could have got 7, Stirling Moss has never been champion and he should have been 4 Time champion, massa should have been World Champion in 2008, Carlos reutemann should have been World Champion in 1981, gilles Villeneuve should have been champion in 1979, Ronnie Peterson should have been champion in 1978, regazzoni should have been champion in 1974... If we are thinking like that we can recreate the whole world...
Exactly. I think this kind of mindset is stupid.
Kimi is lucky he has one title, in 2007 McLaren shot themselves in the foot.
Cease and desist. Kimi was so much better than both McLaren drivers, despite Kimi having 2 DNFs down to car reliability issues.
Enough please.
@@ciaronsmith4995 Kimi better than two of the greatest drivers ever? Raikkonen had his moments but that was it. Vettel destroyed him at Ferrari.
@@phaenius Of course he was. He's the fastest driver I've seen since Senna at his peak. He was on another planet and higher paid than Hamilton and Alonso put together in that season for a reason. Kimi was nearly 40 by the end of his time with Vettel, how is that relevant?
@@phaenius Kimi is one of the greatest ever. Did you see him at McLaren? Evidently not.
@@ciaronsmith4995 Of course I did.
A ferrari driver was the rightful champion of 07 after spygate, but of all the years for Kimi to win 07 was imo his weakest year. Massa was the one getting poles and podiums and Kimi was just...there. Outside of Australia and Spa hia wins didnt have the same feeling as say 05 or the drives in 03
What? Kimi won twice as many races as Massa and was on the podium every race in the second half of the season. Massa had total familiarity with the car/tyres and Kimi didn't. That's why Massa looked good - Kimi had a huge disadvantage. I seriously wonder if people even pay attention to F1 when they watch it.
I mean... I ca make an argument that Alonso should have 7
The one he was robbed of by Ron Dennis at McLaren, and the 4 he could've won with Red Bull had he gone to Red Bull instead of Ferrari when Horner offered him a contract.
Fernando should have seven titles? I only thought 2005, 2006, 2007, 2010, and 2012. Which two another seasons? Are you mean, 2011 and 2013 (after reading your comment)?
@@RadityaPramanaPutra2001 hes offering a different timeline of Alonso accepting the redbull contract in 2008 - so it wouldve been Alonso at redbull instead of Vettel in 2009
Bro is stretching this so hard 😭
Ferrari politics suck... Also what a shame prime Kimi was fucked by Mclaren's unreliability
I can't really hear the argument about 2005 being Kimi's year. Sure McLaren was fast and had a lot of reliability issues, but their form in the second half can be explained by Renault coasting to not waste points like McLaren did early. Renault's pace in China shows they had the fastest car all along but just didn't push it 100%.
He still won 7 races and retired from the lead another 4 times. And that isn’t counting any of the grid penalties he had to take in France, Silverstone, and Monza, all of which he stormed thru the field to finish 2nd, 2nd, and 4th. So you’re looking at a potential 12-13 wins already, so there wouldn’t have been a title fight at all. Kimi was in his own league and easily wins that championship if his car had any reliability at all. Alonso is a great driver and I’m not taking anything away from him, but let’s be real, he received a lot of gifts from McLaren that year and was lucky to win the title in 05
Kimi was far better. Even Alonso admitted Kimi was a master of the tyres that season.
Well, Renault was certainly the better team/car compared to McLaren. Best car isn't only about speed, reliability counts too. But that's about team/car, not driver.
The yt Raikkonen Community at it again…
I would say 20ish at least :D
Räikkönen only won once in 2003, you can't argue that he had deserved the title more than Schumacher.
He had a slower car that wasn't being developed.....
he had a car of the 2002 and was fighting against a super ferrari. kimi thet year and in the 2005 was just unlucky.
@@evilchris22 He only converted bad races for Schumacher to a win a single time and considering Barrichello was far behind Schumacher, Räikkönen and Montoya the F2003-GA was not as dominant as the F2002 or F2004.
Was really strong the 2003 Ferrari. And two things about Barrichello, First he had the 2003 after Schumacher, and second he helped Schumacher for the title, because he has won in china against Raikkonen (was china?). Another thing...is Barrichello. Never has Been a very strong driver. So is not correct use him to compare the level of Schumacher
@@evilchris22 Good to mention that if there were reliability issues in Ferrari, they were almost always in Barrichello's car. Same thing in 2002.
Lewis should have 10....
- 2007, he had a 12 point lead going into the final two rounds, and lost due to a unfortunate mistake in Shanghai, and a gearbox bug in Interlagos.
- 2016, an engine failure in Malaysia, if that didn't happen, Lewis would've won the title by 23 points.
- 2021, you know what happened...
😅so biased.
2007- Hamilton blew it. He couldn't make his tyres last at China
2016- Hamilton blew it. His starts throughout the year were absolutely garbage
2021- lots of stuff happened. Remember bottas went bowling? Hamilton blew it again
@@Mark-zk3gu if the gearbox problem didnt happen in interlagos he couldve won with a P5
@@OtakuLogan2017 and if Raikkonen didn't DNF in Spain and Europe he would've won even more comfortably.
Let's entertaining this, and you choose:
1) 🇬🇧 Nigel should have 3.
2) 🇧🇷 Ayrton should have 9 (if he still life).
3) 🇩🇪 Schumi should have 9.
4) 🇬🇧 Lewis should have 10.
5) 🇪🇸 Nando should have 5.
6) 🇧🇷 Felipe should have 1.
7) 🇩🇪 Seb should have 7.
8) 🇳🇱 Max should only have 1.
9) 🇲🇨 Charles should have 1.
10) 🇲🇽 Checo should have 1.
There are 10 different ideal worlds. Which do you prefer? 😉
@@RadityaPramanaPutra2001 nige should defo have 3 but fate is cruel
getsog
letsgo!
LOL!!!!! Ver shoudn't have any.......I very much argree with that 😂
Alonso should have more titles than he does
Let's be honest: it's part of kimi's legacy to have won a single title by 1 point against the 2nd and the 3rd. It wouldn't be kimi if he won 4 titles by a big margin
4 ? from 1 ? i like the guy, but that seems exaggerated, then Senna shouldve had 8
Verstappen shouldnt have any? Hahahaha sorry man but even with the 21 abu dhabi race deleted max still is champion. 22/23 all have bin legit. Mad english man?