I’m a “Baptist” (non-denominational really), and have been deepening my understanding of church history and the place of the liturgical in the life of the Church and personal devotion. Watched this video when it came out and started using the BCP (ACNA) app. Just recently bought a physical copy of the 2019 version. The BCP is fantastic and has helped me deepen my worship and devotion, and even facilitates my leading devotionals with my wife, and has significantly increased my time reading Scripture. It’s been a learning curve but it is very enjoyable. Plus it’s packed with Church history and rich theology. Thanks for this video!
Im a Catholic but I use the book of common prayer through the Anglican Ordinariates version. I like the Roman office (traditional and modern), it really got me into this. However the book of common prayer is a masterpiece of taking the historic office of the Latin West and bringing in large scripture readings and praying all the psalms in a month. It only takes me 30 min at most to pray, it’s truly a gem. I really hope that the Catholic Church begins to pray the Hours again more frequently, like the Orthodox and Anglicans.
There is also eastern elements to it as well. It does a good job of keeping itself within the western tradition, while also drawing from the whole tradition of the church and her ancient liturgies. 😁
@@valwhelan3533you can always host Evensong (Even-said?) or Compline at your house and invite interested people along and who knows what might grow out of that!
My Lay Order (Norbertines) is required to pray one of the hours of the Daily Office (Liturgy of the Hours), and I gotta say it's been a game changer for my prayer life. And knowing thousands are praying the same thing with me every day, gives a lot of hope and consolation. The Psalms are such a gift.
The ACNA (Anglican Church in North America) has an app. You can toggle between the full office or the family prayers. It’s extremely easy and pre-set. 15 minutes for the full morning prayer, 3-5 for the family prayer. Podcast exists as well to listen along and pray “together”
This is a splendid conversation. Julie was a professor of mine at Regent College, and it is always a delight to listen to her wisdom. Praying the BCP (2019) has certainly been one of the most spiritually formative practices of my own life!
Anglicanism has really felt like home for us! So much room for rich liturgy in the high churches. Lowercase “o” orthodox-anglicans or traditional-anglicans/continuing-anglicans get back to those rich liturgical traditions without some of the added on traditions such as mariology or praying to saints (though some anglicans do pray to saints, I just think the line is much less blurry whereas a lay person may feel they are worshipping the saints/icons within Catholicism or orthodox- I’ve read the prayers and my conscience was definitely burdened)
As an evangelical that became an Anglican and my husband is now our priest, we have found that the Daily Office (4 times of prayer and Scripture a day) found in the prayer book has brought us to a deeper conversion and a deeper understanding of our faith. It gives us beautiful words so that over time the prayer book begins praying us. Start simple and build up to more!
@@katiecugini979 You can order it from Anglican House Publishers. There are several versions of it: the pew edition which is hardback, the soft side version which is a little bit larger print, a bit more expensive but well worth the cost. There’s also a travel edition which is missing some of the liturgies that are seldom used. The print on that is much smaller. I have all three and I really prefer the soft bound edition with a bit larger print and room to write notes on the edges. I hope I have not responded too late for you. The prayer book is a huge book and such an amazing resource. I’ve been using it for about eight years and still find treasures in it that I’ve not seen before. It would be good to go online and find resources that will guide you and how to learn and use it. Blessings!
@@katiecugini979 You can purchase online from Anglican House publishers. They have several editions: the pew edition, the larger, soft sided edition with a bit larger font and room to take notes if you’d like to write in the margins. At a travel edition. Much smaller font and missing some of the rarely used liturgies. Also, find a RUclips or someone that can explain the book to you. It’s very robust and good for a lifetime. I’ve been using it for six years and I’m still finding things in it that I have never explored. Blessings.
@@katiecugini979 This is the third time I have posted this comment and it disappears…. Maybe third time is a charm. 😅 You can order a prayer book from Anglican House Publishers.
I found the same blessing. Praying what generations of believers have prayed brings us together in the Spirit's unity. No different than the earliest disciples who sang and prayed the Psalms.
Very timely video. I discovered the prayer book recently as I’ve been more and more attracted to Anglicanism. Been doing it morning and evening all summer and it has been good for my mind and heart. It is great resource to connect to God and the church through prayer and scripture reading. Thanks Cranmer :)
I am an Orthodox and we do “hours” prayers everyday. It’s a habit for us to do 6 AM prayer & combine it with 9 am, noon and 3 pm prayers before going to work
Hi Austin, the American 1979 Book of Common Prayer also includes Noonday Prayer and Compline, much shorter prayer services but that accomplish the same soul-nourishing task of rooting us back on God. If you don’t have it and would rather not spend the money, the app Venite allows you to pray every office (Morning/Noonday/Evening/Compline) along with collects for special occasions and the daily Scripture readings included. The app helps get into the habit even for those who don’t have a physical BCP.
This I take it is something that you feel may be at least part of the answer to your query to Gavin about being a Joyful Protestant. I will tune in. I am very interested in that part of your journey. For example, an entire video on your devotional life would be fascinating (Divine Mercy...what else?). As well as what you think can be practically done to foster rich traditional liturgy in typically low church bodies such as the non-denom you belong to.
Get the Canterbury AP, listen to the morning and evening with headphones, there’s music, prayers, readings, no sermon, it’s life changing, done from England using their modern book. There are DIFFERENT prayer books, just like Bibles. I grew up Baptist, went to baptist college and seminary, never took. Got confirmed in 2022. Next month I’m off to Canterbury and London on a cathedral pilgrimage for my birthday at 56 years old. Let us feed on him in our hearts by faith, with thanksgiving.
Austin, I have been listening to a lot of your podcasts as I try to understand why the different Christian traditions espouse their beliefs. I appreciate your charitable, respectful approach. I really appreciate that you don't get emotional about the claims of the different faith traditions and you really try to illuminate their beliefs based on historical events and evidence as much as possible. Thank you for that, it's the reason I keep listening
As a Lutheran, I love the daily office! Luther retained the services of Matins, Vespers, the Collects, the Litany, and the Commemoration of Saints. Cranmer was influenced by this in his compilation of the 1549 Book of Common Prayer, especially with Mattins and Evensong. Both Lutherans and Anglicans have a wonderful heritage of this historic Catholic practice of daily prayer in the Divine Office.
I am not Anglican(we are currently inbetween churches a lot of theological uncertainty), but have really enjoyed using the bcp. We use it at least in the morning.
You may not have realized at the time , as it was in Latin, but every word spoken by the priest was taken from the bible . We just watched it show and realized it was 4 years ago on u tube. We were happy to see a young man interested in any kind of religion. So I just wanted to say ty for going to see for urself how us Catholics do things .
Have you thought about having Fr./Dr. Gerald McDermott on about his book “Deep Anglicanism”? I think your viewers would find it interesting since he is more on the Anglo-Catholic/Reformed Catholic end of the Anglian Spectrum.
I started with the 1979 because that’s the only one I was aware of. It is still a favorite of mine but I also have the 2019 and I like it too. As I get older I like the larger print in the 2019. But I am also a non denominational Christian.
Perhaps overtime you’ll find your non-denominational worship service less and less rich, compared to the morning and the evening prayers in the prayer book. The Sunday liturgy should inform the weekday liturgy, and the weekday liturgy should resemble the Sunday liturgy. That is how one professor described how our prayer and worship life should look like. Just a thought.
@@Apriluser I do appreciate the liturgy from the BCP. However, the nearest Anglican Church near me has a priest married to someone of the same sex. I cannot imagine good conscience, as head of my home, worship there. There is definitely a beauty in the liturgy and in my heart, I love the BCP liturgy.
There are several apps that have both the full services and family prayers online. And there is the Daily Office Podcast that has spoken Morning and Evening Prayers. When my husband is traveling, I use that app so that I’m doing Prayer “in community”.
Oooh is Gospel Simplicity getting Canterbury-Pilled? 😂 A great conversation and if Protestantism wants to flourish, then they need to rediscover liturgical prayer and worship. Many young Evangelicals are finding that they have to choose between mega churches and smoke machines on the one hand, or Pride Flags on the other and so they go Orthodox or Catholic. Let's go back to what Protestantism always was until 60 years ago
@@GospelSimplicityI’m very curious as to why Anglicanism hasn’t appeared to you! It’s such a wonderful middle ground with room for unity. There is also the REC within the ACNA to avoid any diocese that may allow liberal things.
If English is your first language, I think you'll have no problem with IVP's 1662 BCP. It's lightly updated to be more understandable yet still has beautiful language. If you're thinking it will be like Shakespeare, it is MUCH easier.
My apologies! It should be there now if you refresh. Her name is Julie Lane-Gay, and her book is The Riches of His Grace. Glad you enjoyed the conversation!
I'm always baffled that all of these ecclesiastically homeless evangelicals always neglect to investigate Anglicanism on their faith journeys - all of the Catholicity of ancient Christianity but taking on board the best aspects of the reformation.
Yes, exactly. That was my husband‘s and my journey from evangelicalism into Anglicanism. He even pursued a PhD in liturgical studies as an Evangelical. I think he had a discomfort with evangelicalism years and years ago. He was ordained 45 years ago in the evangelical church and went through the process of being ordained an Anglican priest four years ago. Thanks to God!
The book of common prayer is one of the things that brought me to become an Anglican.
Same here
I’m a “Baptist” (non-denominational really), and have been deepening my understanding of church history and the place of the liturgical in the life of the Church and personal devotion.
Watched this video when it came out and started using the BCP (ACNA) app. Just recently bought a physical copy of the 2019 version. The BCP is fantastic and has helped me deepen my worship and devotion, and even facilitates my leading devotionals with my wife, and has significantly increased my time reading Scripture.
It’s been a learning curve but it is very enjoyable. Plus it’s packed with Church history and rich theology.
Thanks for this video!
Im a Catholic but I use the book of common prayer through the Anglican Ordinariates version. I like the Roman office (traditional and modern), it really got me into this. However the book of common prayer is a masterpiece of taking the historic office of the Latin West and bringing in large scripture readings and praying all the psalms in a month. It only takes me 30 min at most to pray, it’s truly a gem.
I really hope that the Catholic Church begins to pray the Hours again more frequently, like the Orthodox and Anglicans.
There is also eastern elements to it as well. It does a good job of keeping itself within the western tradition, while also drawing from the whole tradition of the church and her ancient liturgies. 😁
Yes as a RC convert, former Anglo-Catholic, I love the BCP. Wish there was an ordinariate church/parish in my area.
Become the nucleus of a parish :)@@valwhelan3533
@@valwhelan3533you can always host Evensong (Even-said?) or Compline at your house and invite interested people along and who knows what might grow out of that!
Is this specific version one something I can buy ?
Catholics practice this daily as well! We call it "liturgy of the hours" or "divine office"
My Lay Order (Norbertines) is required to pray one of the hours of the Daily Office (Liturgy of the Hours), and I gotta say it's been a game changer for my prayer life. And knowing thousands are praying the same thing with me every day, gives a lot of hope and consolation. The Psalms are such a gift.
The ACNA (Anglican Church in North America) has an app. You can toggle between the full office or the family prayers. It’s extremely easy and pre-set. 15 minutes for the full morning prayer, 3-5 for the family prayer.
Podcast exists as well to listen along and pray “together”
This is a splendid conversation. Julie was a professor of mine at Regent College, and it is always a delight to listen to her wisdom. Praying the BCP (2019) has certainly been one of the most spiritually formative practices of my own life!
Anglicanism has really felt like home for us! So much room for rich liturgy in the high churches. Lowercase “o” orthodox-anglicans or traditional-anglicans/continuing-anglicans get back to those rich liturgical traditions without some of the added on traditions such as mariology or praying to saints (though some anglicans do pray to saints, I just think the line is much less blurry whereas a lay person may feel they are worshipping the saints/icons within Catholicism or orthodox- I’ve read the prayers and my conscience was definitely burdened)
As an evangelical that became an Anglican and my husband is now our priest, we have found that the Daily Office (4 times of prayer and Scripture a day) found in the prayer book has brought us to a deeper conversion and a deeper understanding of our faith. It gives us beautiful words so that over time the prayer book begins praying us. Start simple and build up to more!
How do I find the prayer book?
@@katiecugini979
You can order it from Anglican House Publishers. There are several versions of it: the pew edition which is hardback, the soft side version which is a little bit larger print, a bit more expensive but well worth the cost. There’s also a travel edition which is missing some of the liturgies that are seldom used. The print on that is much smaller. I have all three and I really prefer the soft bound edition with a bit larger print and room to write notes on the edges.
I hope I have not responded too late for you. The prayer book is a huge book and such an amazing resource. I’ve been using it for about eight years and still find treasures in it that I’ve not seen before. It would be good to go online and find resources that will guide you and how to learn and use it. Blessings!
@@katiecugini979
You can purchase online from Anglican House publishers. They have several editions: the pew edition, the larger, soft sided edition with a bit larger font and room to take notes if you’d like to write in the margins. At a travel edition. Much smaller font and missing some of the rarely used liturgies. Also, find a RUclips or someone that can explain the book to you. It’s very robust and good for a lifetime. I’ve been using it for six years and I’m still finding things in it that I have never explored. Blessings.
@@katiecugini979
This is the third time I have posted this comment and it disappears…. Maybe third time is a charm. 😅
You can order a prayer book from Anglican House Publishers.
@@katiecugini979
You can go online and order it from the Anglican publishing house.
I found the same blessing. Praying what generations of believers have prayed brings us together in the Spirit's unity. No different than the earliest disciples who sang and prayed the Psalms.
a lovely conversation. thank you for the opportunity to share in it.
Very timely video. I discovered the prayer book recently as I’ve been more and more attracted to Anglicanism. Been doing it morning and evening all summer and it has been good for my mind and heart. It is great resource to connect to God and the church through prayer and scripture reading. Thanks Cranmer :)
Glad it's been a good experience for you!
I am an Orthodox and we do “hours” prayers everyday. It’s a habit for us to do 6 AM prayer & combine it with 9 am, noon and 3 pm prayers before going to work
Hi Austin, the American 1979 Book of Common Prayer also includes Noonday Prayer and Compline, much shorter prayer services but that accomplish the same soul-nourishing task of rooting us back on God.
If you don’t have it and would rather not spend the money, the app Venite allows you to pray every office (Morning/Noonday/Evening/Compline) along with collects for special occasions and the daily Scripture readings included. The app helps get into the habit even for those who don’t have a physical BCP.
In my experience, the Episcopal Church responses don't hear back on this channel. If I'm wrong, I apologize.
This I take it is something that you feel may be at least part of the answer to your query to Gavin about being a Joyful Protestant. I will tune in. I am very interested in that part of your journey. For example, an entire video on your devotional life would be fascinating (Divine Mercy...what else?). As well as what you think can be practically done to foster rich traditional liturgy in typically low church bodies such as the non-denom you belong to.
Get the Canterbury AP, listen to the morning and evening with headphones, there’s music, prayers, readings, no sermon, it’s life changing, done from England using their modern book. There are DIFFERENT prayer books, just like Bibles. I grew up Baptist, went to baptist college and seminary, never took. Got confirmed in 2022. Next month I’m off to Canterbury and London on a cathedral pilgrimage for my birthday at 56 years old. Let us feed on him in our hearts by faith, with thanksgiving.
Amen.
I looked for the Canterbury AP and I couldn’t find it. Is it a phone app? I’ve never heard of it.
What a lovely way to celebrate your birthday! I hope you have a wonderful time ❤
I have picked bits and pieces from the BCP and have found it really helpful. This was a great interview. Thank you!
Austin, I have been listening to a lot of your podcasts as I try to understand why the different Christian traditions espouse their beliefs. I appreciate your charitable, respectful approach. I really appreciate that you don't get emotional about the claims of the different faith traditions and you really try to illuminate their beliefs based on historical events and evidence as much as possible. Thank you for that, it's the reason I keep listening
As a Lutheran, I love the daily office! Luther retained the services of Matins, Vespers, the Collects, the Litany, and the Commemoration of Saints. Cranmer was influenced by this in his compilation of the 1549 Book of Common Prayer, especially with Mattins and Evensong. Both Lutherans and Anglicans have a wonderful heritage of this historic Catholic practice of daily prayer in the Divine Office.
I learned the Daith from the 1928 Prayer Book.
I am not Anglican(we are currently inbetween churches a lot of theological uncertainty), but have really enjoyed using the bcp. We use it at least in the morning.
Been waiting for this!
You may not have realized at the time , as it was in Latin, but every word spoken by the priest was taken from the bible . We just watched it show and realized it was 4 years ago on u tube. We were happy to see a young man interested in any kind of religion. So I just wanted to say ty for going to see for urself how us Catholics do things .
Have you thought about having Fr./Dr. Gerald McDermott on about his book “Deep Anglicanism”?
I think your viewers would find it interesting since he is more on the Anglo-Catholic/Reformed Catholic end of the Anglian Spectrum.
That would be a fun interview!
I started with the 1979 because that’s the only one I was aware of. It is still a favorite of mine but I also have the 2019 and I like it too. As I get older I like the larger print in the 2019. But I am also a non denominational Christian.
Perhaps overtime you’ll find your non-denominational worship service less and less rich, compared to the morning and the evening prayers in the prayer book. The Sunday liturgy should inform the weekday liturgy, and the weekday liturgy should resemble the Sunday liturgy. That is how one professor described how our prayer and worship life should look like. Just a thought.
@@Apriluser I do appreciate the liturgy from the BCP. However, the nearest Anglican Church near me has a priest married to someone of the same sex. I cannot imagine good conscience, as head of my home, worship there.
There is definitely a beauty in the liturgy and in my heart, I love the BCP liturgy.
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There are several apps that have both the full services and family prayers online. And there is the Daily Office Podcast that has spoken Morning and Evening Prayers. When my husband is traveling, I use that app so that I’m doing Prayer “in community”.
Love that!
I think the description might be wrong based on the thumbnail? Doesn't read like its about the BCP. Looking forward to the video though!
Recommendation: David's Crown by Malcolm Guite accompanies the 1662 Psalter so well
Oooh is Gospel Simplicity getting Canterbury-Pilled? 😂
A great conversation and if Protestantism wants to flourish, then they need to rediscover liturgical prayer and worship. Many young Evangelicals are finding that they have to choose between mega churches and smoke machines on the one hand, or Pride Flags on the other and so they go Orthodox or Catholic. Let's go back to what Protestantism always was until 60 years ago
"Canterbury-Pilled" - that's a new one for me!
@@GospelSimplicityI’m very curious as to why Anglicanism hasn’t appeared to you! It’s such a wonderful middle ground with room for unity. There is also the REC within the ACNA to avoid any diocese that may allow liberal things.
@@GospelSimplicity😂
The description on this video is about Gavin Ortlund?
Oh no! Thanks, I'll update that now. RUclips copy and pastes it and I forget to change the parts that change.
I am thinking about purchasing a BCP but I am concerned that I may not completely comprehend the verbiage of 16th or 18th century English.
If English is your first language, I think you'll have no problem with IVP's 1662 BCP. It's lightly updated to be more understandable yet still has beautiful language. If you're thinking it will be like Shakespeare, it is MUCH easier.
@@GospelSimplicity Thank you. That is helpful.
There’s always the 1979 version
The 2019 BCP is wonderful, with current English.
@@briandelaney9710 Thank you
Austin, check out the 1662 BCP, adopted for the Western Rite Orthodox! You’ll love it!
Sounds fascinating!
Wonderful conversation. I don’t see it in the description, who is this wise lady and what is the name of her book?
My apologies! It should be there now if you refresh. Her name is Julie Lane-Gay, and her book is The Riches of His Grace. Glad you enjoyed the conversation!
I'm always baffled that all of these ecclesiastically homeless evangelicals always neglect to investigate Anglicanism on their faith journeys - all of the Catholicity of ancient Christianity but taking on board the best aspects of the reformation.
Yes, exactly. That was my husband‘s and my journey from evangelicalism into Anglicanism. He even pursued a PhD in liturgical studies as an Evangelical. I think he had a discomfort with evangelicalism years and years ago. He was ordained 45 years ago in the evangelical church and went through the process of being ordained an Anglican priest four years ago. Thanks to God!