Charts on MONDAYS is so good for me! I do a powerpoint presentation every Monday at 5PM at my theater for employees on how we did this past weekend and what's to come this weekend; and I do a box office round up nationally and Dan helps me so much!
Remember when a movie destined to lose 100 million dollars at the box office was big news? I do! It was for Warcraft, Power Rangers, and Mortal Engines. Now it's just a normal day at the office for most studios.
Honestly this shows why even kids movie bombs like Lightyear and Strange World will keep getting made in abundance. If you get a huge hit like frozen, minions, or Mario, you are just printing money FOR YEARS AND YEARS. Sequels, toys, spin off, theme parks, other merch. If I were a movie investor, that’s where I would put every penny. Even moderate returns like Garfield or last years turtles mayhem still turn tidy profits.
For anyone curious about corrections here when actuals came out: - Furiosa did take 2nd place over IF. $10.8 million vs. $10.5 million - Summer Camp opened in 10th place with $1.086 million, which bumps Sight out of the top 10 after one week. - The Blue Angels dropped 350 theaters, meaning it lost the 3rd most theaters this weekend and is 4th on Dan's chart when you include gains and losses.
Honestly watching Dan breakdown why a movie is a success or failure is more entertaining to me than having to go to the theatre to watch the movie itself
Every time i go to a movie theater, or even a supermarket, a store, a gas station, i always tell them that Dan sent me. Most of the time i just get a funny look and general bafflement, but i know that one day someone will understand what im talking about and recognise the reference. And when that happens i will have met a kindred spirit.
Same. I was just thinking I wish there was a way to target those who HAVEN'T seen Fury Road because those that haven't should def watch Furiosa in theatres then go home and watch Fury Road. Unfortunately for us that have seen Fury Road while this is a good movie, it should've been a sequel.
Me too but the more we see people discuss it the more I realize that this is the Blade Runner 2049 of the decade so far. A film that is a continuation of a story (sequel or prequel) to an all time film (in this case Fury Road) that just didn’t hit for people to need to go see. Blade Runner felt that too and I also think both movies just weren’t marketed that well based off that notion. Blade Runner 2049 being a sequel to an all-time classic just wasn’t enough for people it seemed and that is the case here for Furiosa as a prequel to Fury Road.
@@OrionInSpaceHonestly, I think Furiosa’s marketing was fine, good even. They should have gone more crazy with it tbh. Driving war rigs in LA or Furiosa’s last car in some F1 race or something. They should have done the red bull thing. Instead they decided to partner with the nba or something
@@Joshcoshbagosh I won’t disagree with you when you say that they are probably two of the most niche sci-fi franchises out there and so to that point I almost wonder then if maybe the movie form of media entertainment is it worth it for these IP anymore. Perhaps a show or video game or book in these worlds would do better. After all, we are getting that Blade Runner 2099 show so maybe that could prove my point.
I think what we are seeing with Furiosa is that it is more of a Blade Runner 2049 status than Across the Spiderverse. From the way I have interacted with people about Fury Road not alot of people have seen it in my circle, which is a shame! But it reminds me of how Blade Runner 2049 was hyped up and fell flat at the box office due to the first being a cult classic for cinephiles, and not so much for the general audience. I think we are seeing the same thing repeat for these new Mad Max movies
I feel bad for Anya Taylor-Joy. Furiosa was supposed to be her second shot at mainstream event films after New Mutants which was left to die. Given how talented she is and how much work she put into the film, I hope studios give her another shot, or she really stands out in Dune 3.
She's kind of had a rough go of it with her blockbusters. New Mutants, Last Night in Soho, Furiosa. None of these were a reflection of her performances or abilities.
Will she be in dune 3? I assumed her character would be recast as a child actor. Otherwise they will need REALLY good makeup to age Paul up by the age of Anya Taylor-Joy.
she stood out in Emma, that's not nothing. and if anything, then I'd say the likes of Emily Blunt deserve super-stardom far more. Anya is still young, she has time.
I love that you break down the budget and marketing with what the film will net. It puts so much of the box office in perspective. It is grim that the big summer movie won't break even in the theatrical run.
I just don't think people wanted a Furiosa prequel. I loved the movie but the screen I was in was empty except for my party.. Think if they had made a sequel with Tom Hardy as Max and Charlize Theron's Furiosa we'd have a higher result
Your adjusted totals for the weekend on 1984 really REALLY highlights what damage the truncated home release window is doing! Redford's pic was essentially doing the same rate of business as a Furiosa/Garfield in its first few weeks... but look at it's final gross!! Just because it could hang around in cinemas and catch audience before it went to (pricey) home videos!
That picture of Garfield is hilarious. Thanks for the Charts and the updated numbers from last week. Great flashback weekend. Those Top 3 are all great films that I have seen multiple times. I have never seen Breakin’ or Streets. You are awesome Dan!
Random comment: you've tried revisions at the beginning, at the end, and in the middle. For my 2 cents, I like it in the middle. You can do it wherever, and I'm perfectly fine with it, but I just thought I'd add my opinion to the pile. Mainly, I'm just really glad you do revisions and impressed that you take the time and research to do it at all. No one else does, as far as I'm aware.
@@waywardmind Indeed. At this point, we better hope it doesn't. If KOTPOTA wraps up around $200M domestic or just under, I really hope it ends up on the 2nd half of the summer box office top ten. And IF and The Fall Guy legging out as they are may land No. 9 or 10.
I'm starting to wonder why marketing costs are estimated to be as high as a movie's whole budget at this point. The main way I hear about movies now is through people's social media posts, RUclips reviewers, and maybe the occasional trailer. Other than Dune 2 or Garfield, I don't know if I had seen genuine professional marketing for any other 2024 release so far. Am I the only one that isn't really seeing all this movie marketing that people are talking about? It's little wonder that the box office is doing so poor if most people are in situations like mine.
Fun Fact: Streets of Fire features music from Fire Inc. (aka Jim Steinman and a bunch of hired guns). The male vocalist on the track, Rory Dodd, also the male vocalist on Total Eclipse of the Heart and backing vox on a bunch of Steinman tunes, is the brother of Cal Dodd, voice actor of Wolverine in the 90s animated X-Men show (and X-Men 97). I've been lucky enough to be friends with Rory for a number of years at this point (total sweetheart). Never got to know Cal, but I assume he's also a cool fella.
Has anyone mentioned how messy the Furiosa poster is? There is a central figure, then title, then most of the rest is filled with an indistinguishable mush of oranges, yellows and browns. It doesn't give you any sense of mystery or action.
I really enjoy Patrick, I think his observations are keen and well articulated. But hand on heart, I’m baffled by all the cutaways to Emma et al, who don’t bring anything meaningful to what is already a great essay. And don’t get me started on the wackadoodleness that is “Charl”. I’ve seen a few of his essays that just stay on course and they’re so refreshing after having filtered the cringe of the majority of his other content (Patrick trigger word alert 😜). He’s such a good critic, so I feel bad about dissing his work, but it’s only because I think he’s so good overall that it’s worth mentioning.
Absolutely BAFFLED by the Box Office for Fall Guy and Furiosa. I saw both in Theatera and had a blast with both. Furiosa is especially terrific. What the hell is going on?
I am more baffled by FG: bankable stars, seemed fun from the get go. Very summer coded. Furiosa is a prequel for a niche saga, and it looked worse than Fury Road in the trailers. I liked it, mind you, but it doesn’t shock me.
It's an interesting thing about the movie/tv landscape. Tech companies like Apple and Amazon can afford to take chances, whether that's throwing huge money at known commodities, or paying for experimental/niche ideas. While major studios are too scared to not pilfer existing IP - so heavily leveraged to the extent that they're relying on Garfield, Apple is like "If Ted Lasso doesn't work out, we'll make up for the loss when the next iPhone comes out."
When I saw the poster for Furiosa I had made a prediction that it wouldn't do well, but my reasoning was because it was essentially connected to Fury Road and that it was coming out too late to maintain audience interest. Not really sure of the real reason why people aren't seeing it though. I was wrong about IF though, way more people are watching it than I anticipated as a person that works in a movie theater. I really don't know why people are seeing that movie in particular.
the inflation adjusted is always the most fascinating part of the show (also the saddest for showing how the theatrical industry has changed over decades) Insane how just the top 2 with stark trek and INDY jones were almost 100M domestic together
Dan- thanks for bringing back the profit breakdowns. They're my favorite part of the show and I liked how you showed it for the entire top 5 and streamlined the $ breakdown instead of saying how each line was calculated
My local wrestling promotion (North Wrestling NCL) screened a documentary (Watch the Lights) several days ago about their biggest ever show last year and run up to it through the eyes of the owner, wrestlers and staff. It was filmed by a local filmmaker who works for North and screened at a local independent cinema (Tyneside Cinema). It was initially in the third biggest screen room then demand meant it was moved to the second biggest screen room. That still wasn't enough to meet the demand so it was moved to the biggest screen. The fans, the wrestlers, the staff and friends and family of those working for the wrestling company packed it out. Never doubt the passion of wrestling fans. I may be biased but I thought the documentary as fantastic. There was a Q&A as well. During which there was talk of maybe getting this film more widespread via a film festival or streaming service. Here's hoping we can do that. Definitely going to be on North's Patreon.
I've been meaning to suggest this for a little while. Your "Road to Recovery" chart does give us a general picture of how the box offices are doing, but I don't know how well it captures the cumulative effect of a down year. You could (and I feel like you have in the past?) make a chart of year-to-date cumulative box office for each year. This would show you how the whole box office is doing rather than comparing individual weeks.
One revenue stream that’s difficult to quantify is how new franchise titles like Apes and Furiosa can boost revenue for all the movies in their respective series. Joe Drake (former head of motion pictures at Lionsgate) said on a podcast that they saw a surge in rentals/purchases for John Wick titles every time they put out a new one. Anecdotally I can say that after seeing both Apes and Furiosa, I went back and streamed numerous movies in both series. Just another reason why Hollywood continues to favor franchises and IP over big original swings like IF (even THE FALL GUY was a show so who knows, maybe those old episodes are getting a boost).
And even with originals, certain directors that are brands like Nolan and Peele likely see revenue boosts from their older films every time a new film comes out. Wouldn’t be surprised if Oppenheimers release coincided with some spikes for Inception, Interstellar, etc.
Definitely a low keyed weekend. Did enjoy the smaller releases which struggle for real estate at this time of year. Caught 'In A Violent Nature' on Thursday, and caught 'The Dead Don't Hurt' today... along with 'the Muppet Movie', quite the combo. Danny Huston was really channeling his father in 'The Dead Don't Hurt'. Really enjoyed it.
At least domestically, Furiosa (75M-85M) will finish below Garfield (95M-110M), IF (105M-115M), The Fall Guy (85M-95M) and Kingdom of The Planet of The Apes (160M-165M).
Glad that The Garfield Movie & IF are holding strong but it’s overshadowing Furiosa that’s shows that family movies can do still be huge hits in theaters which is great for Inside Out 2 & Despicable Me 4!
Hey Dan! Always nice to here your analyses. Concerning Doraemon in China, more than anime becoming popular lately in China, the character of Doraemon has been super popular there for more than 2 decades. Also, since, as you know, there is always a Doraemon movie out every year during Golden Week (end of April, beginning of May) in Japan to have family go to the theater during this holiday, then you will consistently see a jump in sales after it's been localized and released in other contries such as China where the character is a staple. Anyway, keep up the great work andd looking forward to your next videos
As many misteps with franchises that sony have made (Ghostbusters, Spiderman etc) one thing ill always give them credit for is being the most consistent studio next to illumination in keeping their budgets down.
1984 - the best year in movies IMO (4 movies I love just in that top 5 for that particular week). It would be interesting if Dan did an episode on the 10 best movie years based on combined box office and adjusted for inflation, highlighting some of the biggest movies in those years.
A young woman and the sea not released anywhere in Canada. Looking forward to seeing it on Disney+ - although I thought the timing was odd with the Annette Benning swimming from Cuba movie on Netflix at the holidays.
I think studios need to gauge how their movie is doing for 3 weeks, then decide: -If after 3 weeks, the projected gross surpasses the Budget and Marketing and it will turn a profit = then that film stays in theaters for 90 days. -If after 3 weeks a film is projected to only make back its budget = then that film stays in theaters 30-45 days then goes to PVOD for the remaining 90 days of its run. -If after 3 weeks a film is not even going to make back its budget = then 30 days it hits PVOD for the remaining 90 days of its run. After all films have spent 90 days in a combined Theatrical and PVOD = then it goes to streaming. I think that’s the best way to handle it because it’s based on actual facts of how it’s grossing. I keep hearing many people say “go back to the old 90 day window” as if that’s the complete solve. It’s like people think- well if it stays in theaters longer, people are forced to see it in theaters - no, people will just wait til it comes on streaming. And if that logic were the case, no movie would have flopped prior to 2020. Also, if people recall pre-2020, when a movie didn’t do well in theaters and stayed in theaters for 90 days - that film got bad press for 90 days. There is a benefit to getting films not doing well OUT of theaters. The entire reputation of the film not doing well will be ruined so by the time it goes to PVOD- no one wants to see it. Which is why PVOD wasn’t as big back then as it is now. But I just think, instead of studios trying to do these “blanket” solutions - try understanding that every film is different and go off of the facts of how it’s doing in theaters to determine how long it stays.
I'm almost impressed that 'Furiosa' cost $168 million when you've got movies like 'Fast X' and 'Dial of Destiny' costing upwards of $250-$300 million or more. It says that they looked at what the first one made and attempted to budget it around the same figuring that maybe it's original audience would show up and hopefully it wouldn't skew quite as male heavy with a female lead maybe bringing in some of that audience who didn't show up for 'Fury Road'. They had no way of knowing at the time that the cinemas would still be recovering. Having said that, it was filmed in Australia and even though it got a nice tax break, covid restrictions were probably still quite costly. I was reading the interview with Anya Taylor-Joy quite differently in that light where she said "George Miller kept a very safe set" and "it was the loneliest she's ever felt on a film set". That could very well be due to covid guidelines which, as someone who lived through the pandemic in Australia, were very strict. They'd shut down Sydney if one or two tests were positive. Behind the scenes do show George Miller wearing a mask. That, plus things I mentioned in another comment could have all had some kind of impact on the film and it's budget and/or box office.
I would go to your live chat in NYC if I lived on the east coast. I hope you would consider doing a west coast thing in the future. 🤞🙏 Great charts this week❤
With the Summer starting proper now, the family stuff is going to get a lot more traction by comparison. I still hope Furiosa sticks around and possibly finds a little more steam in the office along with Kingdom of The Planet Of The Apes. If nothing else, I paid my ticket for both, so I can't be ashamed to say I didn't support them.
"Women swimming across the ocean" is a weird niche genre. Last year Annette Bening and Jodi Foster got oscar noms for Nyad, about a woman who swam from Cuba to Florida. There's this Young Woman and the Sea about the first woman to swim the English channel. And in googling to find Nyad (because I couldn't remember the name) it turns out another movie came out in Britain this year about the first British woman to swim the English Channel. It's kind of like when two movies came out close to eachother about the Olympic runner Steve Prefontaine
Chart With Me 1 The Garfield Movie 2 IF 3 Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga 4 Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes 5 The Fall Guy 6 The Strangers: Chapter 1 7 Haikyu!! The Dumpster Battle 8 In a Violent Nature 9 Ezra 10 Sight
I wonder if it was a mistake to release "Furiosa" so close after "Dune 2." To some viewers the two might both look like "weird people running around in the desert. I saw that two months ago." Or perhaps it was not smart to release "Furiosa" after "Kingdom/Apes," which, in a way, is a post-apocalyptic film as is "Furiosa."
Dan, kudos for creating awareness for both Young Woman and the Sea's weird oscar eligibility run and its good reviews. I was gonna wait on it a week, but just in case, I flipped my Garfield for it instead as my 3rd A-list of the week. I'll get to Garfield eventually, probably this weekend... it'll be around
I loved Fury Road and Furiosa was the best character in that film. Haven’t seen the prequel yet because I’m generally not interested in prequels. I’ll catch it this week out of pity more than interest if I have time to kill. That’s just me though. I’m 40 and it’s hard to lock down free time.
The fact that people are baffled is what is baffling to me. If a Furiosa specific movie had to be made, it had to be within 3-4 years of Fury Road. Almost a decade later is when people have long since lost interest.
@@nikunjdixit1175 There were 30 years between Thunderdome and Fury Road and Furiosa has had similar audience and critical reactions. Plus what else is there to see? Garfield? I guess so
I'd say Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes making upwards of $400 million after so many years is respectable, and $150 domestic does show a solid domestic fan base, but it would be a gamble to produce any more in this series. Hopefully they can make a streaming series in a few years.
I hope you're wrong though as I really want at least 2 more movies to round out this planned new trilogy. It might be a stretch to have a 9 film saga (though I'd love that!) but at least another 2 would be good.
I think Furiosa suffered for similar (but not the same) reasons as Solo. They are both films telling the origins of characters in beloved films, which were part of beloved franchises. Obviously Mad Max is a VERY different IP than Star Wars, but I think the reasoning behind greenlighting both projects were similar. The problem is that there wasn't really a demand for the backstories of these characters, in fact part of the reason they resonated so much with audiences originally was because of what was left unsaid. Plus I think both Anya Taylor Joy and Alden Ehrenreich were miscast, neither of them really resemble their predecessors and they both bring different things to the table acting wise as Charlize Theron or Harrison Ford.
When it comes to the tie ins, I wonder how it works when films are delayed? My Daughter last month was collecting Happy Meal toys from a Captain America film that won't come out in 2024 at all. Now she is collecting Inside Out 2, a film that will at least come out in theaters soon.
I understand the show is packed and takes a lot of work, and I still enjoy it, but I have to say I miss the independant theatres segment. I was thrilled when you picked the Vogue in Manistee from my comment a few years ago, but I was hoping you might eventually get around to the Little or the Dryden in Rochester. Again, still love the show, want to emphasize that, and I definitely respect the work that goes into it.
Garfield is going to be the Maverick of 2024! Note: we wanted to see Kingdom/Apes but haven't seen the previous films in the series. They're not all streamable (on D+ or HBO-Max).
There are too many movies in that series now. I'm interested but it felt like homework, considering how long it's been since the first of the reboot was released.
@@Renoistic It's a fresh trilogy without much need to have seen the other 3 to get the gist of what's going on so stop it with that nonsense. The rebooted trilogy was entirely separate from the original POTA movies so there was no need to see any of them either. What feels like "homework" is trying to keep up with anything Marvel put out as there's half a dozen TV shows to keep track of between the movies which is no small wonder that franchise is dying fast.
Hey Dan, love your show. Can't wait to see the new show next Monday. Thursday, 6.13.24 box office numbers came in and Bad Boys looks solid. Hopefully it holds up and has a good Friday to add to its overall total. It appears Bad Boys opening really hurt Kingdom of Apes and Furiosa as both took drastic drops. Neither could muster-up much business. The new film, Watchers, looks D.O.A., another horror fail. Surprisingly, Garfield and IF, especially IF, are almost unchanged from last week. Both look to have strong holds once again this week. But anyway, can't wait to see what unfolds this weekend and your take on the box office performances.
Am I the only one who thought IF was a streaming movie? I even saw the first trailer and everything. 😂 ETA: Oh and I just saw Patrick Willems talk about Streets of Fire so interesting seeing you talk about it in the flashbacks segment.
Furiosa was disappointing for me, but it’s heartbreaking we’ll probably never get a proper sequel to Fury Road or another brand new Mad Max story from Miller.
I saw Young Woman and the Sea that past weekend because I have AMC A-list and was looking for something to see because I try to see a movie each week. I was surprised I had never heard of it or seen a trailer for it but saw it had good reviews and audience scores so I went for it and I really enjoyed it. Felt it was in a vein similar to The Boys in the Boat but I liked Young Woman and the Sea much better.
The Young Woman And The Sea isn't exactly setting the UK box office alight either. It scraped in at 13th place with a pathetic £64k, despite it getting a reasonable amount of publicity this side of the pond.
Hey, Dan. Could theatrical releases be seen as giant promotions for these movies when they hit PVOD? I think I heard that movies that had theater runs always perform better on streaming. Or, is that only for when those movies hit services like Peacock or Paramount+?
Charts on MONDAYS is so good for me! I do a powerpoint presentation every Monday at 5PM at my theater for employees on how we did this past weekend and what's to come this weekend; and I do a box office round up nationally and Dan helps me so much!
Wish I worked for you instead of the theatre i work at right now, this sounds amazing
The irony of Garfield hearing good news on a Monday.
Dream job tbh I do something similar but on a smaller scale.
Remember when a movie destined to lose 100 million dollars at the box office was big news? I do! It was for Warcraft, Power Rangers, and Mortal Engines. Now it's just a normal day at the office for most studios.
@kishenkoolskills90 and when movies opening under 100 was a massive dissapointment (ala justice league making 80 million being viewed as a flop)
Honestly this shows why even kids movie bombs like Lightyear and Strange World will keep getting made in abundance. If you get a huge hit like frozen, minions, or Mario, you are just printing money FOR YEARS AND YEARS. Sequels, toys, spin off, theme parks, other merch. If I were a movie investor, that’s where I would put every penny. Even moderate returns like Garfield or last years turtles mayhem still turn tidy profits.
For anyone curious about corrections here when actuals came out:
- Furiosa did take 2nd place over IF. $10.8 million vs. $10.5 million
- Summer Camp opened in 10th place with $1.086 million, which bumps Sight out of the top 10 after one week.
- The Blue Angels dropped 350 theaters, meaning it lost the 3rd most theaters this weekend and is 4th on Dan's chart when you include gains and losses.
Honestly watching Dan breakdown why a movie is a success or failure is more entertaining to me than having to go to the theatre to watch the movie itself
And that's part of the problem!
Every time i go to a movie theater, or even a supermarket, a store, a gas station, i always tell them that Dan sent me.
Most of the time i just get a funny look and general bafflement, but i know that one day someone will understand what im talking about and recognise the reference. And when that happens i will have met a kindred spirit.
I feel bad for Furiosa, I love that movie.
Same. I was just thinking I wish there was a way to target those who HAVEN'T seen Fury Road because those that haven't should def watch Furiosa in theatres then go home and watch Fury Road. Unfortunately for us that have seen Fury Road while this is a good movie, it should've been a sequel.
Me too but the more we see people discuss it the more I realize that this is the Blade Runner 2049 of the decade so far. A film that is a continuation of a story (sequel or prequel) to an all time film (in this case Fury Road) that just didn’t hit for people to need to go see. Blade Runner felt that too and I also think both movies just weren’t marketed that well based off that notion. Blade Runner 2049 being a sequel to an all-time classic just wasn’t enough for people it seemed and that is the case here for Furiosa as a prequel to Fury Road.
@@OrionInSpace things is Blade Runner and Mad Max are both ultimately kind of niche cult movies
@@OrionInSpaceHonestly, I think Furiosa’s marketing was fine, good even. They should have gone more crazy with it tbh. Driving war rigs in LA or Furiosa’s last car in some F1 race or something. They should have done the red bull thing. Instead they decided to partner with the nba or something
@@Joshcoshbagosh I won’t disagree with you when you say that they are probably two of the most niche sci-fi franchises out there and so to that point I almost wonder then if maybe the movie form of media entertainment is it worth it for these IP anymore. Perhaps a show or video game or book in these worlds would do better. After all, we are getting that Blade Runner 2099 show so maybe that could prove my point.
Jeez, Apes is in its fourth weekend and it almost beat Furiosa!!
Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes: WORLDWIDE $337,264,725. Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga: WORLDWIDE $114,900,225
I enjoy both franchises and my wife and I would rather see the newest Apes movie over Furiosa
They gave fans what they wanted
I think what we are seeing with Furiosa is that it is more of a Blade Runner 2049 status than Across the Spiderverse. From the way I have interacted with people about Fury Road not alot of people have seen it in my circle, which is a shame! But it reminds me of how Blade Runner 2049 was hyped up and fell flat at the box office due to the first being a cult classic for cinephiles, and not so much for the general audience. I think we are seeing the same thing repeat for these new Mad Max movies
I think the reason why something like Top Gun Maverick succeed was because Top Gun is pretty well known and it did had very mainstream appeal.
Solid observation
I feel bad for Anya Taylor-Joy. Furiosa was supposed to be her second shot at mainstream event films after New Mutants which was left to die. Given how talented she is and how much work she put into the film, I hope studios give her another shot, or she really stands out in Dune 3.
She's kind of had a rough go of it with her blockbusters. New Mutants, Last Night in Soho, Furiosa. None of these were a reflection of her performances or abilities.
Will she be in dune 3? I assumed her character would be recast as a child actor. Otherwise they will need REALLY good makeup to age Paul up by the age of Anya Taylor-Joy.
she stood out in Emma, that's not nothing. and if anything, then I'd say the likes of Emily Blunt deserve super-stardom far more. Anya is still young, she has time.
She was in split and glass so she’s been recognized in some stuff
The Northman too. Big budget. Great performance. Shit numbers.
Furiosa opens here in China this weekend. I'm gonna check it out.
I love that you break down the budget and marketing with what the film will net. It puts so much of the box office in perspective. It is grim that the big summer movie won't break even in the theatrical run.
Furiosa is one of the best movies of 2024 so far. I don't get why people don't show up for it.
I don't think it's that people didn't show up for Furiosa. I think the issue is that people aren't showing up to theatres, period.
Cause people don't want to see good movies. Been saying this for years. If it ain't a sequel, it ain't selling tickets.
I just don't think people wanted a Furiosa prequel. I loved the movie but the screen I was in was empty except for my party.. Think if they had made a sequel with Tom Hardy as Max and Charlize Theron's Furiosa we'd have a higher result
The subject matter evidently has little appeal.
@@waywardmind I mean they went to Dune and Godzilla x Kong though?
Streets of Fire was one of my favorite childhood movies that I had no idea no one else watched or like.
Jim Davis is the George Lucas of comic strips. He has always known the money is in the moichandising.
Your adjusted totals for the weekend on 1984 really REALLY highlights what damage the truncated home release window is doing! Redford's pic was essentially doing the same rate of business as a Furiosa/Garfield in its first few weeks... but look at it's final gross!! Just because it could hang around in cinemas and catch audience before it went to (pricey) home videos!
I guess it was not a lovely day at the box office for Furiosa.
It shouldn't have been greenlite.
That picture of Garfield is hilarious. Thanks for the Charts and the updated numbers from last week. Great flashback weekend. Those Top 3 are all great films that I have seen multiple times. I have never seen Breakin’ or Streets. You are awesome Dan!
Also, Skydance/Paramount merger news breaking this morning, Dan!
Random comment: you've tried revisions at the beginning, at the end, and in the middle. For my 2 cents, I like it in the middle. You can do it wherever, and I'm perfectly fine with it, but I just thought I'd add my opinion to the pile. Mainly, I'm just really glad you do revisions and impressed that you take the time and research to do it at all. No one else does, as far as I'm aware.
The 1984 top 5 making more money unadjusted for inflation really is an indictment on the state of the summer box office.
Don't see Furiosa making the top ten money maker list for the summer at this point. No way.
Hopefully, you're right. If you're wrong . . . that's bad news for all movie theatres.
@@waywardmind Indeed. At this point, we better hope it doesn't. If KOTPOTA wraps up around $200M domestic or just under, I really hope it ends up on the 2nd half of the summer box office top ten. And IF and The Fall Guy legging out as they are may land No. 9 or 10.
@@rochesterproducers8847 I think that KOTPOTA will end around 175M. And that could be enough to be in the final top 5 of the summer...
Didn’t think I’d see STREETS OF FIRE on Charts with Dan!
IF shouldn't count as an original IP since Fosters Home For Imaginary Friends exists
I'm starting to wonder why marketing costs are estimated to be as high as a movie's whole budget at this point. The main way I hear about movies now is through people's social media posts, RUclips reviewers, and maybe the occasional trailer. Other than Dune 2 or Garfield, I don't know if I had seen genuine professional marketing for any other 2024 release so far.
Am I the only one that isn't really seeing all this movie marketing that people are talking about? It's little wonder that the box office is doing so poor if most people are in situations like mine.
I'm not seeing it, but I don't watch TV and I use ad blockers. I mostly hear about movies from Dan!
Fun Fact: Streets of Fire features music from Fire Inc. (aka Jim Steinman and a bunch of hired guns). The male vocalist on the track, Rory Dodd, also the male vocalist on Total Eclipse of the Heart and backing vox on a bunch of Steinman tunes, is the brother of Cal Dodd, voice actor of Wolverine in the 90s animated X-Men show (and X-Men 97). I've been lucky enough to be friends with Rory for a number of years at this point (total sweetheart). Never got to know Cal, but I assume he's also a cool fella.
Has anyone mentioned how messy the Furiosa poster is? There is a central figure, then title, then most of the rest is filled with an indistinguishable mush of oranges, yellows and browns. It doesn't give you any sense of mystery or action.
Streets of Fire, from Patrick H. Willems’s last video😂 33:03
I was thinking the exact same thing
Wasn't the last about the future of movies?
@@rinedgecombe8165 oh yeah, it’s the one before that then. I usually catch the videos on nebula, I didn’t know it was out on youtube yet
I really enjoy Patrick, I think his observations are keen and well articulated.
But hand on heart, I’m baffled by all the cutaways to Emma et al, who don’t bring anything meaningful to what is already a great essay.
And don’t get me started on the wackadoodleness that is “Charl”.
I’ve seen a few of his essays that just stay on course and they’re so refreshing after having filtered the cringe of the majority of his other content (Patrick trigger word alert 😜).
He’s such a good critic, so I feel bad about dissing his work, but it’s only because I think he’s so good overall that it’s worth mentioning.
@@thedudeabides3138 I used to feel the same way, but they grew on me, especially Emma. Even Nobbles is fun these days.
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Absolutely BAFFLED by the Box Office for Fall Guy and Furiosa. I saw both in Theatera and had a blast with both. Furiosa is especially terrific. What the hell is going on?
I am more baffled by FG: bankable stars, seemed fun from the get go. Very summer coded. Furiosa is a prequel for a niche saga, and it looked worse than Fury Road in the trailers. I liked it, mind you, but it doesn’t shock me.
In a Violent Nature was memorable. Not sure if I loved it but it was definitely worth a watch.
It's an interesting thing about the movie/tv landscape. Tech companies like Apple and Amazon can afford to take chances, whether that's throwing huge money at known commodities, or paying for experimental/niche ideas.
While major studios are too scared to not pilfer existing IP - so heavily leveraged to the extent that they're relying on Garfield, Apple is like "If Ted Lasso doesn't work out, we'll make up for the loss when the next iPhone comes out."
When I saw the poster for Furiosa I had made a prediction that it wouldn't do well, but my reasoning was because it was essentially connected to Fury Road and that it was coming out too late to maintain audience interest. Not really sure of the real reason why people aren't seeing it though. I was wrong about IF though, way more people are watching it than I anticipated as a person that works in a movie theater. I really don't know why people are seeing that movie in particular.
the inflation adjusted is always the most fascinating part of the show (also the saddest for showing how the theatrical industry has changed over decades)
Insane how just the top 2 with stark trek and INDY jones were almost 100M domestic together
Dan- thanks for bringing back the profit breakdowns. They're my favorite part of the show and I liked how you showed it for the entire top 5 and streamlined the $ breakdown instead of saying how each line was calculated
My local wrestling promotion (North Wrestling NCL) screened a documentary (Watch the Lights) several days ago about their biggest ever show last year and run up to it through the eyes of the owner, wrestlers and staff. It was filmed by a local filmmaker who works for North and screened at a local independent cinema (Tyneside Cinema).
It was initially in the third biggest screen room then demand meant it was moved to the second biggest screen room. That still wasn't enough to meet the demand so it was moved to the biggest screen. The fans, the wrestlers, the staff and friends and family of those working for the wrestling company packed it out. Never doubt the passion of wrestling fans.
I may be biased but I thought the documentary as fantastic. There was a Q&A as well. During which there was talk of maybe getting this film more widespread via a film festival or streaming service. Here's hoping we can do that. Definitely going to be on North's Patreon.
I am going to go see Furiosa this weekend. Have not yet found the time to go see it.
Me and my crew got tickets to all three LOTR movies this weekend! Sooo pumped
I've been meaning to suggest this for a little while. Your "Road to Recovery" chart does give us a general picture of how the box offices are doing, but I don't know how well it captures the cumulative effect of a down year. You could (and I feel like you have in the past?) make a chart of year-to-date cumulative box office for each year. This would show you how the whole box office is doing rather than comparing individual weeks.
Deadpool and Wolverine gonna rake it in bet on that
Profitably charts are the best part of Charts with Dan imo. Hope we see them weekly now that we are in the summer movie season
Saw Furiosa this weekend, we really liked it. It's too bad it's not finding an audience.
The state of theaters makes me so sad. I love going to the theater
1:00 It's the Blue Baseball Hat Bros!! So cool! I wish I could attend. Someone go in my stead and give them some love!
One revenue stream that’s difficult to quantify is how new franchise titles like Apes and Furiosa can boost revenue for all the movies in their respective series. Joe Drake (former head of motion pictures at Lionsgate) said on a podcast that they saw a surge in rentals/purchases for John Wick titles every time they put out a new one. Anecdotally I can say that after seeing both Apes and Furiosa, I went back and streamed numerous movies in both series. Just another reason why Hollywood continues to favor franchises and IP over big original swings like IF (even THE FALL GUY was a show so who knows, maybe those old episodes are getting a boost).
And even with originals, certain directors that are brands like Nolan and Peele likely see revenue boosts from their older films every time a new film comes out. Wouldn’t be surprised if Oppenheimers release coincided with some spikes for Inception, Interstellar, etc.
Great show today Dan!
I'd love to see a Chart that shows the longest legs for a movie that has a 60% + drop in it's second weekend
Just want to say the move to Monday is great and I hope it helps the show grow!
Definitely a low keyed weekend. Did enjoy the smaller releases which struggle for real estate at this time of year. Caught 'In A Violent Nature' on Thursday, and caught 'The Dead Don't Hurt' today... along with 'the Muppet Movie', quite the combo. Danny Huston was really channeling his father in 'The Dead Don't Hurt'. Really enjoyed it.
Thanks Dan 😊
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I just want to take a second to mention, temple of doom's drop was insane for a 2wk total of 200mil and this weekend was only 49mil
Meaning to see Furiosa but weather was nice past couple weekends
Dan, another great breakdown. Wish you luck for future success.
At least domestically, Furiosa (75M-85M) will finish below Garfield (95M-110M), IF (105M-115M), The Fall Guy (85M-95M) and Kingdom of The Planet of The Apes (160M-165M).
Glad that The Garfield Movie & IF are holding strong but it’s overshadowing Furiosa that’s shows that family movies can do still be huge hits in theaters which is great for Inside Out 2 & Despicable Me 4!
With Garfield who owns the IP. The studio might not get a piece of the toy revenue if they just have the movie rights.
Yes, add that *Top 10 profitable movies in numbers (like 800 Million for Endgame ) or in percentage for each year or For summer, etc
32:44 "...way before it spawned the greatest sequel name of all time..."
I see you, Dan.
Hey Dan! Always nice to here your analyses. Concerning Doraemon in China, more than anime becoming popular lately in China, the character of Doraemon has been super popular there for more than 2 decades. Also, since, as you know, there is always a Doraemon movie out every year during Golden Week (end of April, beginning of May) in Japan to have family go to the theater during this holiday, then you will consistently see a jump in sales after it's been localized and released in other contries such as China where the character is a staple. Anyway, keep up the great work andd looking forward to your next videos
As many misteps with franchises that sony have made (Ghostbusters, Spiderman etc) one thing ill always give them credit for is being the most consistent studio next to illumination in keeping their budgets down.
The studios need to fire whoever is green-lighting these high budgets.
1984 - the best year in movies IMO (4 movies I love just in that top 5 for that particular week). It would be interesting if Dan did an episode on the 10 best movie years based on combined box office and adjusted for inflation, highlighting some of the biggest movies in those years.
Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo
A young woman and the sea not released anywhere in Canada. Looking forward to seeing it on Disney+ - although I thought the timing was odd with the Annette Benning swimming from Cuba movie on Netflix at the holidays.
This guy is really good
Watched the whole show just for those 5 seconds of Dan mentioning Haikyuu
I think studios need to gauge how their movie is doing for 3 weeks, then decide:
-If after 3 weeks, the projected gross surpasses the Budget and Marketing and it will turn a profit = then that film stays in theaters for 90 days.
-If after 3 weeks a film is projected to only make back its budget = then that film stays in theaters 30-45 days then goes to PVOD for the remaining 90 days of its run.
-If after 3 weeks a film is not even going to make back its budget = then 30 days it hits PVOD for the remaining 90 days of its run.
After all films have spent 90 days in a combined Theatrical and PVOD = then it goes to streaming.
I think that’s the best way to handle it because it’s based on actual facts of how it’s grossing.
I keep hearing many people say “go back to the old 90 day window” as if that’s the complete solve. It’s like people think- well if it stays in theaters longer, people are forced to see it in theaters - no, people will just wait til it comes on streaming. And if that logic were the case, no movie would have flopped prior to 2020.
Also, if people recall pre-2020, when a movie didn’t do well in theaters and stayed in theaters for 90 days - that film got bad press for 90 days. There is a benefit to getting films not doing well OUT of theaters. The entire reputation of the film not doing well will be ruined so by the time it goes to PVOD- no one wants to see it. Which is why PVOD wasn’t as big back then as it is now.
But I just think, instead of studios trying to do these “blanket” solutions - try understanding that every film is different and go off of the facts of how it’s doing in theaters to determine how long it stays.
I’m boutta see furiosa again, shit is sad
I'm almost impressed that 'Furiosa' cost $168 million when you've got movies like 'Fast X' and 'Dial of Destiny' costing upwards of $250-$300 million or more. It says that they looked at what the first one made and attempted to budget it around the same figuring that maybe it's original audience would show up and hopefully it wouldn't skew quite as male heavy with a female lead maybe bringing in some of that audience who didn't show up for 'Fury Road'. They had no way of knowing at the time that the cinemas would still be recovering. Having said that, it was filmed in Australia and even though it got a nice tax break, covid restrictions were probably still quite costly. I was reading the interview with Anya Taylor-Joy quite differently in that light where she said "George Miller kept a very safe set" and "it was the loneliest she's ever felt on a film set". That could very well be due to covid guidelines which, as someone who lived through the pandemic in Australia, were very strict. They'd shut down Sydney if one or two tests were positive. Behind the scenes do show George Miller wearing a mask. That, plus things I mentioned in another comment could have all had some kind of impact on the film and it's budget and/or box office.
I would go to your live chat in NYC if I lived on the east coast. I hope you would consider doing a west coast thing in the future. 🤞🙏 Great charts this week❤
With the Summer starting proper now, the family stuff is going to get a lot more traction by comparison. I still hope Furiosa sticks around and possibly finds a little more steam in the office along with Kingdom of The Planet Of The Apes. If nothing else, I paid my ticket for both, so I can't be ashamed to say I didn't support them.
"Women swimming across the ocean" is a weird niche genre. Last year Annette Bening and Jodi Foster got oscar noms for Nyad, about a woman who swam from Cuba to Florida. There's this Young Woman and the Sea about the first woman to swim the English channel. And in googling to find Nyad (because I couldn't remember the name) it turns out another movie came out in Britain this year about the first British woman to swim the English Channel. It's kind of like when two movies came out close to eachother about the Olympic runner Steve Prefontaine
Chart With Me
1 The Garfield Movie
2 IF
3 Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga
4 Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes
5 The Fall Guy
6 The Strangers: Chapter 1
7 Haikyu!! The Dumpster Battle
8 In a Violent Nature
9 Ezra
10 Sight
I wonder if it was a mistake to release "Furiosa" so close after "Dune 2." To some viewers the two might both look like "weird people running around in the desert. I saw that two months ago." Or perhaps it was not smart to release "Furiosa" after "Kingdom/Apes," which, in a way, is a post-apocalyptic film as is "Furiosa."
Schmoedown reunion nice I'm in Cali though
I've got my ticket to see you guys in a few weeks!
Dan, kudos for creating awareness for both Young Woman and the Sea's weird oscar eligibility run and its good reviews. I was gonna wait on it a week, but just in case, I flipped my Garfield for it instead as my 3rd A-list of the week. I'll get to Garfield eventually, probably this weekend... it'll be around
Reportedly, Australia paid $100 million for Furiosa's budget. How would that change the game then?
im surprised furiousa isnt doing good, i saw it a few days ago and I thought it was an excellent action film
The failing of Furiosa is truly baffling to me
Audiences just weren’t that interested unfortunately.
I loved Fury Road and Furiosa was the best character in that film. Haven’t seen the prequel yet because I’m generally not interested in prequels. I’ll catch it this week out of pity more than interest if I have time to kill. That’s just me though. I’m 40 and it’s hard to lock down free time.
it's in MI Dead Reckoning territory.
The fact that people are baffled is what is baffling to me. If a Furiosa specific movie had to be made, it had to be within 3-4 years of Fury Road. Almost a decade later is when people have long since lost interest.
@@nikunjdixit1175 There were 30 years between Thunderdome and Fury Road and Furiosa has had similar audience and critical reactions. Plus what else is there to see? Garfield? I guess so
I'd say Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes making upwards of $400 million after so many years is respectable, and $150 domestic does show a solid domestic fan base, but it would be a gamble to produce any more in this series. Hopefully they can make a streaming series in a few years.
I hope you're wrong though as I really want at least 2 more movies to round out this planned new trilogy. It might be a stretch to have a 9 film saga (though I'd love that!) but at least another 2 would be good.
Yay Garfield!
Problem is ticket is expensive now. Most people are struggling to just put food on the table
Yup he mentioned that in Sunday’s video
Brilliant video Dan!
I think Furiosa suffered for similar (but not the same) reasons as Solo. They are both films telling the origins of characters in beloved films, which were part of beloved franchises. Obviously Mad Max is a VERY different IP than Star Wars, but I think the reasoning behind greenlighting both projects were similar. The problem is that there wasn't really a demand for the backstories of these characters, in fact part of the reason they resonated so much with audiences originally was because of what was left unsaid. Plus I think both Anya Taylor Joy and Alden Ehrenreich were miscast, neither of them really resemble their predecessors and they both bring different things to the table acting wise as Charlize Theron or Harrison Ford.
When it comes to the tie ins, I wonder how it works when films are delayed? My Daughter last month was collecting Happy Meal toys from a Captain America film that won't come out in 2024 at all.
Now she is collecting Inside Out 2, a film that will at least come out in theaters soon.
I understand the show is packed and takes a lot of work, and I still enjoy it, but I have to say I miss the independant theatres segment. I was thrilled when you picked the Vogue in Manistee from my comment a few years ago, but I was hoping you might eventually get around to the Little or the Dryden in Rochester. Again, still love the show, want to emphasize that, and I definitely respect the work that goes into it.
Garfield is going to be the Maverick of 2024! Note: we wanted to see Kingdom/Apes but haven't seen the previous films in the series. They're not all streamable (on D+ or HBO-Max).
There are too many movies in that series now. I'm interested but it felt like homework, considering how long it's been since the first of the reboot was released.
@@Renoistic It's a fresh trilogy without much need to have seen the other 3 to get the gist of what's going on so stop it with that nonsense. The rebooted trilogy was entirely separate from the original POTA movies so there was no need to see any of them either.
What feels like "homework" is trying to keep up with anything Marvel put out as there's half a dozen TV shows to keep track of between the movies which is no small wonder that franchise is dying fast.
Hey Dan, love your show. Can't wait to see the new show next Monday. Thursday, 6.13.24 box office numbers came in and Bad Boys looks solid. Hopefully it holds up and has a good Friday to add to its overall total. It appears Bad Boys opening really hurt Kingdom of Apes and Furiosa as both took drastic drops. Neither could muster-up much business. The new film, Watchers, looks D.O.A., another horror fail. Surprisingly, Garfield and IF, especially IF, are almost unchanged from last week. Both look to have strong holds once again this week. But anyway, can't wait to see what unfolds this weekend and your take on the box office performances.
i believe in Dan, that Garfield and If will make a profit for exhibition industry
Am I the only one who thought IF was a streaming movie? I even saw the first trailer and everything. 😂 ETA: Oh and I just saw Patrick Willems talk about Streets of Fire so interesting seeing you talk about it in the flashbacks segment.
Is Handling the Undead an adaptation of the JA Lindqvist novel? It’s been on my must read sometime list for awhile.
I really liked Furiosa, saw it last Saturday.
Haha all five movies represent one major studio each.
Furiosa was disappointing for me, but it’s heartbreaking we’ll probably never get a proper sequel to Fury Road or another brand new Mad Max story from Miller.
Furiosa will need to be bumped up to no. 2 for the weekend after the actuals dropped.
Dan, any chance you’ll cover how the “Spider-Mondays” Spider-Man movie rereleases did? I’d love to see a chart!
Took my kid to Garfield on Friday night and was shocked how empty the parking lot was.
I saw Young Woman and the Sea that past weekend because I have AMC A-list and was looking for something to see because I try to see a movie each week. I was surprised I had never heard of it or seen a trailer for it but saw it had good reviews and audience scores so I went for it and I really enjoyed it. Felt it was in a vein similar to The Boys in the Boat but I liked Young Woman and the Sea much better.
The Young Woman And The Sea isn't exactly setting the UK box office alight either. It scraped in at 13th place with a pathetic £64k, despite it getting a reasonable amount of publicity this side of the pond.
To be fair the theatrical release for that movie is literally an afterthought.
probably better to have asked this last week on the 'Save Theatre' video,
How are ticket sales for baseball games?
Hey, Dan. Could theatrical releases be seen as giant promotions for these movies when they hit PVOD? I think I heard that movies that had theater runs always perform better on streaming. Or, is that only for when those movies hit services like Peacock or Paramount+?