that will never happen because 98% of artist dont own their masters. And the weekends record label would never let him do it because they want maximal exposure. essentially the stem player is a frame for the painting. its not really meant to be carried around. its a show piece for your home., for the collector, for the music nerd.
Funny how it's only been around 10-15 years since we could truly have ALL our music in our pockets, yet it already feels like such a necessity of life that everything prior is the stone age.
The greatest music original ever made was the App for Bjorks Album 'Biophilia'. I still have a working version. It was called the future of unbreakable DRM and, in fact, it was NEVER broken. It was also interactive and quite beautiful. Each song had it's own interactive App/Game and you could mix each song within the Apps....all held within the Biophilia App itself.
It's a 20 dollar toy that if it was sold for that price it would be a fun novelty but at 200 it's just an egomaniac way to scam his fans out of a lot of money.
People keep forgetting you dont just get the album for 200, you get a piece of technology. The AI in it, even if it's not perfect, is so advanced that honestly 200 isnt even that bad. A decent regular speaker already costs 200. Plus, it's the artists job to put a price on their art, so how does that make Kanye a scammer or an egomaniac lol? If you don't want to buy no one is forcing you to
Music sounds amazing in 5.1, really does. Almost nothing is ever mixed for surround sound though, you know why? Lack of consumer interest. In a world where a lot of people listen to music through their phone or laptop, often with crappy speakers or earphones, there's no demand. This device strikes me as much the same - it's a solution looking for a problem too, in some respects. It won't take off - it's too niche.
FIRST TIME FOR A Physical pay wall for music?? Do you remember CDs or Vinyls?? Before then you literally had to buy physical sheet music and play your self if you wanted to have music at home. Beethoven got famous not for being deaf but by having publishers EVERYWHERE.
Sorry but that comment was literally idiotic. CD’s and other Physical media could be played on your CD player alongside other CD’s in your collection. You didn’t change the method by which you listened to music when you switched albums . This stem player is yet another item you have to keep charged, all in order to listen to one artist.
Instead of getting this just get a fucking iPod if you want something physical, small, and portable. Bonus: you can have literally ANY artist. Not just kanye West
This is such a good conversation on this. Honestly I love Austin's take, really understanding the situation top to bottom and expressing both sides. Yeah I wanna listen to Donda 2 on my phone, but end of the day, it's Kanye's music, his art, and he can do whatever he wants with it. Demanding he hand over a share of its profits to some multinational corporation isn't really fair, and whether you think the Stem player is a worthwhile purchase of not, it's ultimately his decision to make and he's well within his rights to do.
Then distribute it yourself... they take all the risk creating a platform for artis to get their shit out... if you don't wanna agree to use their service create your own... he still owns rights unless he signs them away lol that's like creating a product then asking a factory to make it then be like well you guys cost to much I'm not doing it.. lol okay then don't you still have the choice. I think his choice was a shitty one. There's a reason 0 artis do this & why the format isn't widespread used. Music is marketing. Money is in shows always been like this. If he isn't making as much as he wants bc his 10 mill mansion isn't big enough then make better music tell more tickets. Work harder play better shows. Kayne was a only child & it shows lmao 🤣
@@deepfreq he did distribute itself. On his own platform which is his device. Personally I think he would have made more money in other methods but maybe it's not even about the money for him at this point and he just wants to try something new
@@LNVZION lmao 🤣 I'm acually fine thanks. I own a cnc company probably make more a week than you do a year but alright ahaha says alot about you though. It's the principle... lol I'll just wait till he releases it on Spotify like he did with his last album. Lol but seriously tell me you have no firends without telling me you have no firends 😆😆✌️
@@FlameOnTheBeat truthfully i have a record player and i only play my records at my house on my single device. so its no different from a vinyl in that respect. and if it gives a unique sound in the way analog sounds off a vinyl then i completely understand the mission. and if you are dying to listen somewhere else the device is still smaller and less delicate than a record, so just take it with you.
Props to Matt for calling out Austin on this. He was somehwat acting like $200 wasn't a significant amount of money. It ABSOLUTELY is to a lot of people.
Broke Boys...$200 is NOT a lot of money! especially if youre talking the target audience for this product. Music equipment gets MUCH MORE expensive. clearly this product isnt for the everyday person, its for someone who wants to dissect their music.
@@Mrtonio1596 it’s a lot, but it’s Yeezy tech it’s not going to be cheap nothing Yeezys is cheap it’s unique and different it’s more like a collectible
@@dondadabih1389 okay, go buy the most expensive non-essential items you can find and don't dare complain about the price. This is unbelievably fucking stupid and anyone that actually buys this deserves to get ripped off. His music is shit anyway
The player does have a function. Its a Music mixer created by the coding education company Kano. I can download a free music mixer now but it wouldn't grab my attention or teach me how to use it like this. It also comes with software that allows you to upload any track. All that costs money and it costs a bit more to have Kanyes name on it.
@@shirleyjsanchez just depends. For most people it will be silly and considered a gimmick or niche product. I don't see it lasting more than a couple years. Most people simply don't want to play with their music or have to navigate a new music store and find the time to import their music library to it.
@@chrislawrence6609 thank you so much! If it keeps his attention for a few months I got my moneys worth lol- & he likes playing with his music so it’s worth it for my bf
The basics; 1.You NEED to sign up on his website to download new music onto this dongle. 2. It is 8 gig of non-expandable storage. Needs Wi-Fi/internet connection to add music. 3. It is way overpriced so a niche' tech product like an mp3 player or a CD to carry along with your smartphone. It's cool but not necessary (like his Yeezy shoes). 4. You have to be tech savy to even consider buying this. The average music fan just wants to stream good music not jump through hoops to hear each instruments or beat separately- it's purpose is a WASTE OF TIME! Unless you're an aspiring producer or artist that is trying to understand how the song was made. Conclusion; I would NEVER buy such a toy. If i hear a catchy song I like, I'm wait for it to be leaked online or in another streaming app. Kanye has the resources to create his own streaming app like Pandora, Spotify, Apple Music etc which would be better received than thus physical toy.
His yeezy shoes make me laugh every time. They're made of shit, look like shit, yet sell for hundreds. They'll also probably start getting tatty after a year or two. I've been wearing the same £30 shoes for the last few years, still fine.
If Kanye's music wasnt on it I would still buy, the tech to isolate stems of any song is crazy especially to have in your pocket rather than opening up a VST. I think kanye's album being on there shouldn't be the focus of the hardware but the functionality of the stem play and the experience it brings to music producers or even regular listeners.
I agree. This is far beyond the impact that this would have on music sales. This is a conversation about TECH! How often can you break music up to different parts on the fly without having to do extra work! It’s awesome. I’m insanely intrigued off of that alone.
I would never buy a kanye album myself but when no one buys this device to play his music, he will release it elsewhere. I actually hope he does keep it exclusive to this device. I would be impressed by the resolve.
@@zazaza1000 well, good for them. I don't like to see people fail. It does surprise me though. It is just one of those things that I don't get. Not the first time I have been in the minority. lol
At this point. He's already made more than a major artist going platinum in 24 hours. He made over 2 million dollars off of it in 24 hours and let's say its 50 50(being very Conservative for profits) split for profit. A platinum album normally makes 10 million and the artist will recoup 10 to 18 percent of that money. Then taxed on the amount of money the label put into the album marketing and recording.
Without his music on the device it's overpriced. So he is in fact trying to sell his album for the difference. If this is really like a $40 device, then he is actually selling his album for $160. That's the simple way to look at it.
From the time I heard about it I said "should have been an app". But yeah, at this point Kanye is more of a merch salesman than a musician. And his fans are absolutely the kind of people who need to be seen with everything he sells. I've seen a lot of hip hop threads with people comparing it to the iPod and trying to justify its price because it's 'groundbreaking tech', which it isn't. It's only got 8gb of non expandable storage and all of the 'stem splitting' is done via the cloud. So it's just a cheap music player with barely any storage. I also hear with the file sizes for his flac stems you won't be able to fit both Donda and Donda 2 on it at the same time.
@@thehogrider1574 my mind doesn't work that way. If I was as popular an artist as Kanye and already worth a billion dollars I'd probably give it away for free on my website. Short of that I'd just sell the album there, as a download, for a normal price (which would still massively benefit him by cutting out the record label).
Finally a RUclipsr talking about the fact that these $200 price points for this that and the other are actually very expensive for the normal individual who can not justify spending that much money considering they won't be generating any money back from them.
Im so tired of this stupid logic. I bet you have a phone that’s worth more than this. a computer, etc. I bet you spend money like a moron everyday on things that bring you zero return. if you can’t save $200 then you don’t need to have it. if you can’t figure out how to use it to generate income online, then you don’t need to have it. just because YOU can’t afford it doesn’t mean it’s not affordable. it’s $200. if it’s hard to save $200 then you don’t want it bad enough. stop expecting everything to just be handed to you Yeezy is a billon dollar brand tf you think this is
@@cryosteam3944 a phone and computer will give you much more back in terms of connectivity, knowledge and entertainment than whatever the fuck this is. Get out of here with your rich kid bullshit
Am I the only one that caught how the only way to put new music onto this thing is to use a website? So once their servers go down, this becomes a fleshy paperweight which will be locked to whatever music happens to be on it. At the least, this should have an offline app for sideloading, even if you don't get the fancy track-splitting. (But I doubt it'll happen.)
If I'm not mistaken you can input your own stems. For an artist this device is super cool and convenient to make tracks on the go or to play with tunes without having your full station in front of you.
I think that y'all overlooked the fact that the stem player allows a person to cut, remix, and reinterpret all of their music without having to learn software like abelton or midi in a novel and very intimate way. I think that convince and presentation has a value to it.
I actually like that it’s a tangible item and not a piece of software that you have learn to use but that doesn’t mean that I don’t like software it’s just that I get to experience a physical product better than a virtual one.
This feels like something that you would buy at a store like Sharper Image, or get as a prize in a school brochure fundraising campaign. Personally, I always stopped using those things or they would simply break.
LMAOOO guy is slow 😂. As if just because it isn’t a physical pay wall makes it any better. Already he doesn’t have cheapen his music for cents per stream while tech giants make billions
Uhh That's not what a paywall is, a physical media player is a medium for all music to be played and stored, for something to be designed specifically to make you $$$ is considered a paywall. When you have to buy a character in a game and can't earn it naturally through gaming. That is a paywall. This device was designed specifically for you to be forced to use it to get the song.
>the artist owns their music top to bottom >I don't see how this couldn't be an app Well, because of the first point and the 30% cut that apple/google would take. I felt the need to point that out.
I was in band and now I mix music as a hobby. So the idea of soloing the drum stems or guitar stems is cool. But the average person who listens to music wont care one bit about what this pebble can do. They just want to listen to music. Even though I like the idea we have apps that do this now. Plus it's really ugly, expensive and in the end useless. Hard core Kanye fans might buy it but the people who just like his music then no they won't. Kanye could easily own his stuff it's not that hard these days. This is a cash grab plain and simple. Pay him $200 for his new album. I'll stick with my iPod thanks.
to me it’s very interesting how this device has changed. kanye has used a version of this device for years now - the first version not for sale was made in collaboration with Teenage Engineering. he used it in shows and listening parties to basically mix the show live. so for a while it was framed as a device for artists and producers to use for live performances or short sessions. and in that sense it was very cool and very much not a gimmick. since then it’s been redesigned to fit into the Yeezy hypebeast type of aesthetic and is now basically a platform for superfans to get access to his music. it comes across as way more of a gimmick now than it used to.
I’ve had one since launch and I take it everywhere. I just record samples on it and quite literally play with my music. It’s so fun. I went to a party over the weekend, I connected to the speaker and I just mixed songs live. This isn’t as gimmicky as they said in the video. It isn’t for everyone, but nothing is. Kanye specifically designed the tool he wished existed for his entire career. Instead of waiting, he went out and did it himself
@@breezie3116 it works better for the songs specifically optimized for it (such as the ones from Donda, Donda 2, Jesus is King, all of which come with it), but it works with any song. If you have music split up into stems already, it’ll work like the optimized songs if split properly. You can also just load mp3s on it. If you don’t have mp3s, you can use a RUclips link on the website and an AI will split the music, but results vary if you use that method.
If I could just say, the stem player wasn't created to sell albums exclusively though it is exactly what's happening. I believe though if you reframe the conversation and state that this is a music device/instrument that $200 price tag isn't so egregious. Good video though, just doesn't seem like we covered the device as much as Kanye selling an album on this device as a cash grab.
I think they basically did. I would agree with their summary, "an interesting device, upon release not deserving of a video, with the most notable thing being the album release".
Talking about it as an "interesting platform". Theres a reason its so hard to get stems for songs, because I dont want someone to have the individual components of my track so they can remix it, you gotta pay me to do that. And the listener wanting to "listen to their music the way they want it", my tracks are mixed in the way that I wanted it, its my song, it just seems weird to me that someone would really wanna turn the drums down on their favorite song, its your favorite cuz the artist made it that way and they want you to hear it that way. You wouldnt remove the entire red color channel from an anime because thats the way you prefer it right? (To be clear im not pissed about this, I just think the whole concept is silly)
This is by far the best comment I’ve seen so far. I make music personally myself, and you got it spot on. I don’t want people randomly taking sounds out of my music because they “prefer it” that way. Like bruh if you don’t like the music the way that it was created to sound, listen to someone else. It’s the most gimmicky device I’ve ever seen, and the artists vision should come first. Not “I wanna take out the synths because I like it more”.
@@enlistenmusic1719 bruh thats the dumbest thing thats like saying no my lyrics mean this your way is wrong like the whole point of music is expression remixes are such an important part of music especialy electronic music is your old ass gonna yell at someone if they remix your song
@@zanecallisto4169 First off lol, I’m actually on the younger side so don’t be calling me old lmao. Second, it’s that small artists like myself are the type of people who get burned by easy access to stems. It’s not about expression, people can interpret my music however they want. It’s about the vision, and about the permission from the artist to remix songs. I’m not speaking for everyone, but personally I think most artists wouldn’t want a song of theirs remixed with lower quality stems by means of an AI stem splitter. I’d personally wanna give the person remixing the actual full stems, so that they could make the best possible remix. Another thing about it is that is that I do make types of electronic music so I get what you mean by the whole importance of remixing. The thing is, say you make a song. You don’t have a ton of listeners, and someone just randomly remixes it and gets a lot more plays then you. You didn’t even speak with the person remixing, they just did it because they can. That’s the problem with easy access to stems. They shouldn’t just be available like that. You should have to go to the artist, or at least talk to someone about it, especially if you plan on making a proper, high definition remix without any weird noise from stem splitters. And of course I’m not gonna yell at someone for making a remix of my song. If anything I’d be flattered more then upset. It’s the point that this somewhat ruins the actual exclusivity of remixes. Anyone can technically do it with an stem splitter, which means why would someone ever pay you money to get all of your stems, unless they’re a professional. That’s the entire point of why this is a problem. It’s like if exclusive games could have all the code and assets leaked simply through an AI. It’s not good for the creators, and the consumer who receives the remixes gets a less polished product, instead of the artists vision.
@@enlistenmusic1719 I'm a producer aswell i couldn't give two shits with what someone does with my music for the simple fact that music should be interactive you don't like my snare you should be able to change it don't like the synths turn them down copyright exists to protect the music giving the general music loving public access to being able to make the music personal to them is fine you own the music and the copyright so who cares let them experiment
I think the "I'm too poor to listen to your music" angle doesn't fly. As a poor person, I can tell you, they'll find a way to listen to the album if they want to and not for 200 bucks 😂. I think the gadget is interesting for what you can do with the rest of your music with it. And again at some point people will get the Stem player and again not for 200 bucks 😂.
STFU geezer, it's obviously implied that in recent history, with the advent of new tech there hasn't been physical walls. Stop taking things too seriously.
CD players, MP3 players, the entire iPod lineup... I'm gen z and i can thoroughly remember using all of these. In fact I have about 30 iPods because they're unbelievably interesting and I like having my music on one space, without having to be tethered to the Internet all the time.
i would totally buy that for 50 bucks not even to listen to donda 2 i don’t really care about it but the device is neat and i like the idea of leaving spotify. but 200 is too much and his message is probably stifled because it is behind a 200 dollar paywall
considering that apple sells headphones for $500+ and smart speakers go for $199+, $200 is solid. People once said 150 for airpods was too much but now will spend it over and over to replace a lost pair.
The 'demo' of the player doesn't cover a lot of the functionality available (looping, effects etc), its not just turning the volume on tracks up and down....
Kanye basically gave everyone a career style hobby as a sound engineering producer In the form of a toy speaker. Everyone now has the ability to remix and remaster his songs as well as ANY other music in any way that we individually see fit. The things that are possible with that tiny Bluetooth lookin speaker stem device are insane.
@@MrML4L no app your going to buy off your phone is going to be able to split stems from already made songs plus tf you mean music isnt interactive djs producers ect as someone that loves making and listing to music the idea of making mysic interactive is amazing
They bypassed the whole point that he's making by doing this.. like Kanye said, artists only get 14% of the money generated on streaming services while the streaming services are pocketing 86% from their work. He is making more money from his art by doing it this way. Also, Over 70% of a new album's sales are generated in the first 2 weeks. After that, the hype wears off and it starts to sell as much as everything else on the market. This is why albums that originally had exclusive deals are then placed on all platforms because the exclusive platform has already accumulated the bulk of the revenue.
Its an website that allows u to play Kanye songs for free on a stem player on a website PLUS its an feature on the Nintendo DS that allows u to play a instrumental version
Imagine being a multi-millionaire so out of touch with your everyday fans that you would even consider putting your album behind a $200 hardware paywall.
Here's a better idea to "Own distribution top to bottom" while still making a physical product: Release the album on Vinyl, CD, and Cassette first. Physical media that has a download code to the songs on your own site that you own 100%. You get the benefit of selling your music without splitting revenue with Spotify or Apple as well as a cool physical aspect that hypebeasts can own that shows off how cool they are.
Disliked the video because of Austin’s statements. STEMS is nothing new. Google for a second. This should be an app. Artist’s can own there own music. But you know physical media also still excited. This is just more e-wast sent in the world and a division between classes. Happy Matt was still sitting next to Austin.
I agree with matt 200 is steep af and maybe the best thing to do would be to release the album on spotify with a few exclusive tracks only available with this stem player it's an interesting idea to have channel stems to play about with ... very interesting hope it catches on ... hear some acapellas etc v nice
If kanye had made it an app then that would leave room for people to illegally download not only his app but his music. This would defeat the purpose of him trying to own his music.
The reason for STEMS is so he can. Collect 4 royalties stack on one track so this is why the site splits otbeach part is uploaded and each part collects when isolated it's just a monitization money move we use stems in DJing
Since cellphones don't work anywhere near me, so much so that we still run at 3g. No apps unless I'm home and use wifi calling only. My phone is dead unless I go 30 miles from my house
The Stem player is not only home to Donda 2. Donda Deluxe and Jesus Is King are also included on the player via the platform free of charge with tweaks and updates to songs every now and then.Those albums account for almost 1/4 of the price and it provides fans with intimate access into his creative process. If Ye releases more music or other artists submit stems to the platform as well the player will eventually pay for itself. Thile stem player also samples and contains exporting options making it a studio tool as well. Donda 2 isn’t the end goal for the stem player as a corresponding app is in development. This is going to be a fully immersive experience when it’s all said and done. I disagree with the “too poor” statement as the majority of people pay way more for the device they listen to Spotify on and with. Consoles do this all the time only to charge users a monthly fee to take advantage of all the features in addition to game prices, yet no one accuses Microsoft or Sony of being insensitive to people’s budgets. The resale value of the Stem Player has always been good and it’s a cool way to connect fans with Ye’s art.
@@zanecallisto4169 It's $200 and no you don't necessarily NEED a daw. But I agree the device is probably easier to use. But it's not more practical. Like who messes up with the mix for fun on a weird circle thingy lol. It's cool tech but to me it's a wasted opportunity.
@@itsbtunes you need a daw to run isotope and there not cheap it's alot more then 200 bucks obviously if your a producer you already have all of that but for the general public they wouldn't and if they wanted to mess around with Stems and remixing this is a lot better I personally don't have a need for one but I love the idea especially if it gets a whole new crowd of people interacting and wanting to learn more about music
I'm not a Kanye fan but I don't think they understand what his point was, they're complaining about it being an overpriced device but you're not buying a device you're buying an album, the device is not the product it's the music and the interaction with it, granted you could do that in an app but he's not trying to sell an app he's trying to sell an album in the most unique way possible. Yeah canvas and paint isn't that expensive but just because the material value isn't high doesn't mean that the artistic value isn't.
I don’t watch this channel. But the discussion on the societal and economical effects of this products really intrigued me. It’s more than tech and I love it.
The main point is this…. How can you afford to spend hundreds and thousands on designer, jewelry, shoes etc but can’t afford to buy yourself a house, live on section 8, literally live off of the government.
Business people know insane prices are ridiculous but also know people are desperate to be first at owning something and feeling entitled so people will pay.
People buy hardware for specific things all the time. People have Xbox specifically for halo. This isn't the first time it's been done. No one with a Playstation is saying it's incredibly devisive in that case. It's also like saying you're too poor to buy any luxury item you can't afford. If it matters enough for you to buy then do even if you have to save up to own it.
Ok guess. Secondary purpose. Have the STEM go, mute vocal, homemade karaoke track. Not saying it's good, but it's a thought Also going to assume they bring this up later on the video than I am
Remember that machine-learning program that could make an infinite remix of a song? That on a device would be amazing--equally or more amazing that some company didn't purchase it for wide-scale use and would be very useful for DJs
“you’re too broke to listen to my music” bruh what. it’s like a mpk.. bluetooth speaker.. a toy for music lovers.. you can put other songs on it.. you can put your own music on it.. you can damn near be a dj with it.. for 200. it’s not 200 and “months” of saving for a album.. the album is just like dlc at that point
I think they don’t understand stems are pretty useful in the music world and the fact an artist can sell those I don’t see anything wrong and there’s a whole lot you can do with the me stems of music, that the artist is letting you access
Whats worst? the stem player that anybody can buy for $200 or "once upon a time in shaolin " a single copy by the wu that was sold for millions to Martin shkreli and has a 88 year clause?
100 gecs did a free stem release of their remix album. They didn't care about money. But the man who could buy anything he wants had to start arguing pay rates?
If it was more than Kayne and the built in speakers where better or it was cheaper I think it would be a cool idea. As a musician myself having the stems would be great for hearing each part and knowing what is actually going on. It really needs to be far more than just Kayne. With all do respect his stuff isn't that complicated to really need the separation of each instrument.
To be honest i’d rather not have it on an app, messing with sliders on your phone screen sounds a lot more boring that using an actual device, and the Aux port (although necessary) is a plus that a lot of phones don’t have.
Everyone hated Spotify when they said taking longer than 2 years to work ok an album will hurt the artist financially, now that Kanye is trying to change that he’s getting hate?
This is for Ye fans like me who also make music. It's a designer product end of day like Gucci. I bought it and it's kind of like a fidget spinner for artist and music lovers. Also it pretty much places you in Ye's "Beta Tester" program for his music where you will be the first to listen to the update of the Donda 2 songs which are not finished. The discord alerts yoyu when an update to a song is out and i believe once the full album is complete that is when he will release it everywhere else. Mind you i make 50k a year and have no kids/wife whilst living in the midwest so my buying situation is vastly different.
The dude on the left doesn't make sense with his arguments. He keeps saying "if apple did this it would be a bad precedent" but he's missing the point of kanye trying to provide a path in the future for new artists to own their music.
I love the debate, but other systems have been doing hardware locks for years, and IMO this is just an artist looking at how they can copy existing systems for their profit. Apple is notorious for this, like preventing device use unless you first pair it to an iPhone, or preventing you from developing ios if you only own an iPhone and not a Mac.
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This album will be exclusively downloaded onto my phone when it leaks.
i would never do this
and tell everyone about it
it’s already leaked lmao
@@alexanderescobar6323 No it hasn't
@@Dylan-zm3ht some of the songs have
@@Dylan-zm3ht it has its already on Reddit
Can you imagine if every artist had their own device? That would be insane !! You could no longer carry all your music in your pocket anymore.
that will never happen because 98% of artist dont own their masters. And the weekends record label would never let him do it because they want maximal exposure. essentially the stem player is a frame for the painting. its not really meant to be carried around. its a show piece for your home., for the collector, for the music nerd.
And will probably be very wasteful
Funny how it's only been around 10-15 years since we could truly have ALL our music in our pockets, yet it already feels like such a necessity of life that everything prior is the stone age.
@@HotOutDaBox Who do YOU work for? Kanye West?? Lol what a joke
@@HotOutDaBox whoa conspiracy theorist take a xanax and chill its not worth $200 its a great idea but that sound quality is shit
The greatest music original ever made was the App for Bjorks Album 'Biophilia'. I still have a working version. It was called the future of unbreakable DRM and, in fact, it was NEVER broken. It was also interactive and quite beautiful. Each song had it's own interactive App/Game and you could mix each song within the Apps....all held within the Biophilia App itself.
Getting stems from full tracks is like almost impossible the actual tech behind the stem player is quite impressive
This guy gets it!
The Stem Player is such a huge step in making that tech mainstream!
It's been a thing in the DJ world for a while now 😂. This is nothing new.
@@TheDJSimonR yeah stems aren't a new thing no shit but having it done with ai without a daw or program in a small package costing $200 is new
@@zanecallisto4169 why would you pay $200 for something that an app can do though?
It's a 20 dollar toy that if it was sold for that price it would be a fun novelty but at 200 it's just an egomaniac way to scam his fans out of a lot of money.
This.
If you find that 20$ toy send me the link
People keep forgetting you dont just get the album for 200, you get a piece of technology. The AI in it, even if it's not perfect, is so advanced that honestly 200 isnt even that bad. A decent regular speaker already costs 200. Plus, it's the artists job to put a price on their art, so how does that make Kanye a scammer or an egomaniac lol? If you don't want to buy no one is forcing you to
@@AhmedMahmoud-fb1ug if you can load other music into it too, the price seems fair enough
Can you send me a link where it’s $20
Matt killed it in this video I couldn’t agree more 👏🏾
Music sounds amazing in 5.1, really does. Almost nothing is ever mixed for surround sound though, you know why? Lack of consumer interest. In a world where a lot of people listen to music through their phone or laptop, often with crappy speakers or earphones, there's no demand.
This device strikes me as much the same - it's a solution looking for a problem too, in some respects. It won't take off - it's too niche.
FIRST TIME FOR A Physical pay wall for music?? Do you remember CDs or Vinyls?? Before then you literally had to buy physical sheet music and play your self if you wanted to have music at home. Beethoven got famous not for being deaf but by having publishers EVERYWHERE.
Sorry but that comment was literally idiotic. CD’s and other Physical media could be played on your CD player alongside other CD’s in your collection. You didn’t change the method by which you listened to music when you switched albums . This stem player is yet another item you have to keep charged, all in order to listen to one artist.
Instead of getting this just get a fucking iPod if you want something physical, small, and portable.
Bonus: you can have literally ANY artist. Not just kanye West
“This is the first time we’ve had a physical paywall for music”
Ummmm… I grew up in the 90s
That’s all I’m thinking the fat dude is so bothered that he won’t be able to fit all his music in his pocket.
This is such a good conversation on this. Honestly I love Austin's take, really understanding the situation top to bottom and expressing both sides. Yeah I wanna listen to Donda 2 on my phone, but end of the day, it's Kanye's music, his art, and he can do whatever he wants with it. Demanding he hand over a share of its profits to some multinational corporation isn't really fair, and whether you think the Stem player is a worthwhile purchase of not, it's ultimately his decision to make and he's well within his rights to do.
Then distribute it yourself... they take all the risk creating a platform for artis to get their shit out... if you don't wanna agree to use their service create your own... he still owns rights unless he signs them away lol that's like creating a product then asking a factory to make it then be like well you guys cost to much I'm not doing it.. lol okay then don't you still have the choice. I think his choice was a shitty one. There's a reason 0 artis do this & why the format isn't widespread used. Music is marketing. Money is in shows always been like this. If he isn't making as much as he wants bc his 10 mill mansion isn't big enough then make better music tell more tickets. Work harder play better shows. Kayne was a only child & it shows lmao 🤣
@@deepfreq he’s literally controlling the distribution…it’s just not in a means that’s completely accessible to everyone which is fine 🤷🏿♂️
@@deepfreq he did distribute itself. On his own platform which is his device. Personally I think he would have made more money in other methods but maybe it's not even about the money for him at this point and he just wants to try something new
@@deepfreq but you look where you're at in life, then look at kanye
@@LNVZION lmao 🤣 I'm acually fine thanks. I own a cnc company probably make more a week than you do a year but alright ahaha says alot about you though. It's the principle... lol I'll just wait till he releases it on Spotify like he did with his last album. Lol but seriously tell me you have no firends without telling me you have no firends 😆😆✌️
did yall forget about CDs tapes and vinyls
@@FlameOnTheBeat truthfully i have a record player and i only play my records at my house on my single device. so its no different from a vinyl in that respect. and if it gives a unique sound in the way analog sounds off a vinyl then i completely understand the mission. and if you are dying to listen somewhere else the device is still smaller and less delicate than a record, so just take it with you.
As a musician that likes to sample music this thing is gold.
Lol you can sample with out the way kanye does
@@fadibokinno3465 not if you want just the vocals or beat or just the music. This makes it so much easier
Props to Matt for calling out Austin on this. He was somehwat acting like $200 wasn't a significant amount of money. It ABSOLUTELY is to a lot of people.
Broke Boys...$200 is NOT a lot of money! especially if youre talking the target audience for this product. Music equipment gets MUCH MORE expensive. clearly this product isnt for the everyday person, its for someone who wants to dissect their music.
@@Mrtonio1596 its a toy, not an instrument or musical tool.
@@Mrtonio1596 it’s a lot, but it’s Yeezy tech it’s not going to be cheap nothing Yeezys is cheap it’s unique and different it’s more like a collectible
Then don’t buy it? I don’t understand complaining about the price point of nonessential items…
@@dondadabih1389 okay, go buy the most expensive non-essential items you can find and don't dare complain about the price.
This is unbelievably fucking stupid and anyone that actually buys this deserves to get ripped off. His music is shit anyway
The player does have a function. Its a Music mixer created by the coding education company Kano. I can download a free music mixer now but it wouldn't grab my attention or teach me how to use it like this. It also comes with software that allows you to upload any track. All that costs money and it costs a bit more to have Kanyes name on it.
Thanks for the quick review- bought it for my boyfriend earlier today before this video came out & was wondering if it was a savvy or silly purchase
@@shirleyjsanchez just depends. For most people it will be silly and considered a gimmick or niche product. I don't see it lasting more than a couple years. Most people simply don't want to play with their music or have to navigate a new music store and find the time to import their music library to it.
@@chrislawrence6609 thank you so much! If it keeps his attention for a few months I got my moneys worth lol- & he likes playing with his music so it’s worth it for my bf
@@shirleyjsanchez if he loves music this is a very good gift, and i’m sure he’ll have fun fooling around on it
Its a toy.
Lol watching a This Is video on the stem player is as far as this one goes for me. Fun video as always though.
The basics;
1.You NEED to sign up on his website to download new music onto this dongle.
2. It is 8 gig of non-expandable storage. Needs Wi-Fi/internet connection to add music.
3. It is way overpriced so a niche' tech product like an mp3 player or a CD to carry along with your smartphone. It's cool but not necessary (like his Yeezy shoes).
4. You have to be tech savy to even consider buying this. The average music fan just wants to stream good music not jump through hoops to hear each instruments or beat separately- it's purpose is a WASTE OF TIME! Unless you're an aspiring producer or artist that is trying to understand how the song was made.
Conclusion; I would NEVER buy such a toy. If i hear a catchy song I like, I'm wait for it to be leaked online or in another streaming app.
Kanye has the resources to create his own streaming app like Pandora, Spotify, Apple Music etc which would be better received than thus physical toy.
bro this is more for producers trust me
Spot on
This isn’t for “listening” it’s for experimenting with songs and remixing
His yeezy shoes make me laugh every time. They're made of shit, look like shit, yet sell for hundreds. They'll also probably start getting tatty after a year or two.
I've been wearing the same £30 shoes for the last few years, still fine.
If Kanye's music wasnt on it I would still buy, the tech to isolate stems of any song is crazy especially to have in your pocket rather than opening up a VST. I think kanye's album being on there shouldn't be the focus of the hardware but the functionality of the stem play and the experience it brings to music producers or even regular listeners.
I agree. This is far beyond the impact that this would have on music sales. This is a conversation about TECH! How often can you break music up to different parts on the fly without having to do extra work! It’s awesome. I’m insanely intrigued off of that alone.
I would never buy a kanye album myself but when no one buys this device to play his music, he will release it elsewhere. I actually hope he does keep it exclusive to this device. I would be impressed by the resolve.
@@zazaza1000 well, good for them. I don't like to see people fail. It does surprise me though. It is just one of those things that I don't get. Not the first time I have been in the minority. lol
At this point. He's already made more than a major artist going platinum in 24 hours. He made over 2 million dollars off of it in 24 hours and let's say its 50 50(being very Conservative for profits) split for profit. A platinum album normally makes 10 million and the artist will recoup 10 to 18 percent of that money. Then taxed on the amount of money the label put into the album marketing and recording.
Hes not gonna release it on streaming services at this point.
Without his music on the device it's overpriced. So he is in fact trying to sell his album for the difference. If this is really like a $40 device, then he is actually selling his album for $160. That's the simple way to look at it.
The device was created and sold way before before he made Donda 2. 🤷🏾♂️
From the time I heard about it I said "should have been an app". But yeah, at this point Kanye is more of a merch salesman than a musician. And his fans are absolutely the kind of people who need to be seen with everything he sells. I've seen a lot of hip hop threads with people comparing it to the iPod and trying to justify its price because it's 'groundbreaking tech', which it isn't. It's only got 8gb of non expandable storage and all of the 'stem splitting' is done via the cloud. So it's just a cheap music player with barely any storage. I also hear with the file sizes for his flac stems you won't be able to fit both Donda and Donda 2 on it at the same time.
your saying if you weren't in Kanye's position you wouldn't make it overpriced? its just business
Most Kanye fans are angry that its 200$ and that its where the album is going to be released
@@samdixon5496 check out r/StemPlayer
@@thehogrider1574 my mind doesn't work that way. If I was as popular an artist as Kanye and already worth a billion dollars I'd probably give it away for free on my website. Short of that I'd just sell the album there, as a download, for a normal price (which would still massively benefit him by cutting out the record label).
Check of /r Kanye or /r westsubever ya know the proper subs
Back it my day we called them CDs
CDs didn't cost $200 each though
@@Mireaze some did
Finally a RUclipsr talking about the fact that these $200 price points for this that and the other are actually very expensive for the normal individual who can not justify spending that much money considering they won't be generating any money back from them.
Im so tired of this stupid logic. I bet you have a phone that’s worth more than this. a computer, etc. I bet you spend money like a moron everyday on things that bring you zero return. if you can’t save $200 then you don’t need to have it. if you can’t figure out how to use it to generate income online, then you don’t need to have it. just because YOU can’t afford it doesn’t mean it’s not affordable. it’s $200. if it’s hard to save $200 then you don’t want it bad enough. stop expecting everything to just be handed to you Yeezy is a billon dollar brand tf you think this is
Those people shouldn’t be on youtube, or the internet for that matter, so I doubt they’d know anything about a stem player.
@@cryosteam3944 someone has had a horrific day 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I hope you feel better you're loved 🌹
@@TshepoMotaungreallife if you’re broke and uneducated just say that
@@cryosteam3944 a phone and computer will give you much more back in terms of connectivity, knowledge and entertainment than whatever the fuck this is. Get out of here with your rich kid bullshit
Am I the only one that caught how the only way to put new music onto this thing is to use a website? So once their servers go down, this becomes a fleshy paperweight which will be locked to whatever music happens to be on it. At the least, this should have an offline app for sideloading, even if you don't get the fancy track-splitting. (But I doubt it'll happen.)
If I'm not mistaken you can input your own stems. For an artist this device is super cool and convenient to make tracks on the go or to play with tunes without having your full station in front of you.
I think that y'all overlooked the fact that the stem player allows a person to cut, remix, and reinterpret all of their music without having to learn software like abelton or midi in a novel and very intimate way. I think that convince and presentation has a value to it.
It was said in the Video that the STEM (Software) is awesome, but could very well be in App Form.
yeah but not everyone is a dj
@@ttacalvt then you don't have to buy it
But ableton good, everyone should learn it
I actually like that it’s a tangible item and not a piece of software that you have learn to use but that doesn’t mean that I don’t like software it’s just that I get to experience a physical product better than a virtual one.
This feels like something that you would buy at a store like Sharper Image, or get as a prize in a school brochure fundraising campaign. Personally, I always stopped using those things or they would simply break.
"We've never had a physical paywall for music" forgets physical media 😂
Let’s just look over CDs Records lmfao
This guy is spewing the most nonsense
LMAOOO guy is slow 😂. As if just because it isn’t a physical pay wall makes it any better. Already he doesn’t have cheapen his music for cents per stream while tech giants make billions
Uhh That's not what a paywall is, a physical media player is a medium for all music to be played and stored, for something to be designed specifically to make you $$$ is considered a paywall. When you have to buy a character in a game and can't earn it naturally through gaming. That is a paywall. This device was designed specifically for you to be forced to use it to get the song.
Its called a CD bruh
>the artist owns their music top to bottom
>I don't see how this couldn't be an app
Well, because of the first point and the 30% cut that apple/google would take. I felt the need to point that out.
I was in band and now I mix music as a hobby. So the idea of soloing the drum stems or guitar stems is cool. But the average person who listens to music wont care one bit about what this pebble can do. They just want to listen to music. Even though I like the idea we have apps that do this now. Plus it's really ugly, expensive and in the end useless. Hard core Kanye fans might buy it but the people who just like his music then no they won't. Kanye could easily own his stuff it's not that hard these days. This is a cash grab plain and simple. Pay him $200 for his new album. I'll stick with my iPod thanks.
can you suggest apps that can do the same things the stem player does?
@@MD-ow3nc there are none that’s actually user friendly. idk wtf he was talking abt
@@namifps just a hater lol
I like that Matt spoke up for broke people like myself
to me it’s very interesting how this device has changed. kanye has used a version of this device for years now - the first version not for sale was made in collaboration with Teenage Engineering. he used it in shows and listening parties to basically mix the show live. so for a while it was framed as a device for artists and producers to use for live performances or short sessions. and in that sense it was very cool and very much not a gimmick. since then it’s been redesigned to fit into the Yeezy hypebeast type of aesthetic and is now basically a platform for superfans to get access to his music. it comes across as way more of a gimmick now than it used to.
This could be so helpful for mixing. Like imagine being able to isolate vocals to any reference song you can imagine and match that mix
I’ve had one since launch and I take it everywhere. I just record samples on it and quite literally play with my music. It’s so fun. I went to a party over the weekend, I connected to the speaker and I just mixed songs live. This isn’t as gimmicky as they said in the video. It isn’t for everyone, but nothing is. Kanye specifically designed the tool he wished existed for his entire career. Instead of waiting, he went out and did it himself
@@JBomb692 does it work for just specific songs? Or would it be able to separate the stems for anything you throw at it
@@breezie3116 it works better for the songs specifically optimized for it (such as the ones from Donda, Donda 2, Jesus is King, all of which come with it), but it works with any song. If you have music split up into stems already, it’ll work like the optimized songs if split properly. You can also just load mp3s on it. If you don’t have mp3s, you can use a RUclips link on the website and an AI will split the music, but results vary if you use that method.
If I could just say, the stem player wasn't created to sell albums exclusively though it is exactly what's happening. I believe though if you reframe the conversation and state that this is a music device/instrument that $200 price tag isn't so egregious. Good video though, just doesn't seem like we covered the device as much as Kanye selling an album on this device as a cash grab.
I think they basically did.
I would agree with their summary, "an interesting device, upon release not deserving of a video, with the most notable thing being the album release".
Talking about it as an "interesting platform". Theres a reason its so hard to get stems for songs, because I dont want someone to have the individual components of my track so they can remix it, you gotta pay me to do that. And the listener wanting to "listen to their music the way they want it", my tracks are mixed in the way that I wanted it, its my song, it just seems weird to me that someone would really wanna turn the drums down on their favorite song, its your favorite cuz the artist made it that way and they want you to hear it that way. You wouldnt remove the entire red color channel from an anime because thats the way you prefer it right? (To be clear im not pissed about this, I just think the whole concept is silly)
This is by far the best comment I’ve seen so far. I make music personally myself, and you got it spot on. I don’t want people randomly taking sounds out of my music because they “prefer it” that way. Like bruh if you don’t like the music the way that it was created to sound, listen to someone else. It’s the most gimmicky device I’ve ever seen, and the artists vision should come first. Not “I wanna take out the synths because I like it more”.
@@enlistenmusic1719 bruh thats the dumbest thing thats like saying no my lyrics mean this your way is wrong like the whole point of music is expression remixes are such an important part of music especialy electronic music is your old ass gonna yell at someone if they remix your song
@@zanecallisto4169 First off lol, I’m actually on the younger side so don’t be calling me old lmao. Second, it’s that small artists like myself are the type of people who get burned by easy access to stems. It’s not about expression, people can interpret my music however they want. It’s about the vision, and about the permission from the artist to remix songs. I’m not speaking for everyone, but personally I think most artists wouldn’t want a song of theirs remixed with lower quality stems by means of an AI stem splitter. I’d personally wanna give the person remixing the actual full stems, so that they could make the best possible remix.
Another thing about it is that is that I do make types of electronic music so I get what you mean by the whole importance of remixing. The thing is, say you make a song. You don’t have a ton of listeners, and someone just randomly remixes it and gets a lot more plays then you. You didn’t even speak with the person remixing, they just did it because they can. That’s the problem with easy access to stems. They shouldn’t just be available like that. You should have to go to the artist, or at least talk to someone about it, especially if you plan on making a proper, high definition remix without any weird noise from stem splitters.
And of course I’m not gonna yell at someone for making a remix of my song. If anything I’d be flattered more then upset. It’s the point that this somewhat ruins the actual exclusivity of remixes. Anyone can technically do it with an stem splitter, which means why would someone ever pay you money to get all of your stems, unless they’re a professional. That’s the entire point of why this is a problem. It’s like if exclusive games could have all the code and assets leaked simply through an AI. It’s not good for the creators, and the consumer who receives the remixes gets a less polished product, instead of the artists vision.
@@enlistenmusic1719 I'm a producer aswell i couldn't give two shits with what someone does with my music for the simple fact that music should be interactive you don't like my snare you should be able to change it don't like the synths turn them down copyright exists to protect the music giving the general music loving public access to being able to make the music personal to them is fine you own the music and the copyright so who cares let them experiment
I think the "I'm too poor to listen to your music" angle doesn't fly. As a poor person, I can tell you, they'll find a way to listen to the album if they want to and not for 200 bucks 😂. I think the gadget is interesting for what you can do with the rest of your music with it. And again at some point people will get the Stem player and again not for 200 bucks 😂.
'We've never had a physical paywall before when it comes to music' This new generation really doesnt have a clue
STFU geezer, it's obviously implied that in recent history, with the advent of new tech there hasn't been physical walls. Stop taking things too seriously.
CD players, MP3 players, the entire iPod lineup...
I'm gen z and i can thoroughly remember using all of these. In fact I have about 30 iPods because they're unbelievably interesting and I like having my music on one space, without having to be tethered to the Internet all the time.
i would totally buy that for 50 bucks not even to listen to donda 2 i don’t really care about it but the device is neat and i like the idea of leaving spotify. but 200 is too much and his message is probably stifled because it is behind a 200 dollar paywall
considering that apple sells headphones for $500+ and smart speakers go for $199+, $200 is solid. People once said 150 for airpods was too much but now will spend it over and over to replace a lost pair.
The 'demo' of the player doesn't cover a lot of the functionality available (looping, effects etc), its not just turning the volume on tracks up and down....
Kanye basically gave everyone a career style hobby as a sound engineering producer In the form of a toy speaker. Everyone now has the ability to remix and remaster his songs as well as ANY other music in any way that we individually see fit. The things that are possible with that tiny Bluetooth lookin speaker stem device are insane.
all could be done on your phone. also its music, as the listener its not a interactive medium.
@@MrML4L no app your going to buy off your phone is going to be able to split stems from already made songs plus tf you mean music isnt interactive djs producers ect as someone that loves making and listing to music the idea of making mysic interactive is amazing
They bypassed the whole point that he's making by doing this.. like Kanye said, artists only get 14% of the money generated on streaming services while the streaming services are pocketing 86% from their work. He is making more money from his art by doing it this way. Also, Over 70% of a new album's sales are generated in the first 2 weeks. After that, the hype wears off and it starts to sell as much as everything else on the market. This is why albums that originally had exclusive deals are then placed on all platforms because the exclusive platform has already accumulated the bulk of the revenue.
Its an website that allows u to play Kanye songs for free on a stem player on a website PLUS its an feature on the Nintendo DS that allows u to play a instrumental version
I can only imagine some mad person is gonna load up the player with the DOOM Eternal soundtrack and play with Mick's beautiful stem work.
THATS GENIUS ILL DO THAT WHEN MY BROTHER COMES OVER WITH THE PLAYER IN A WEEK
Imagine being a multi-millionaire so out of touch with your everyday fans that you would even consider putting your album behind a $200 hardware paywall.
Here's a better idea to "Own distribution top to bottom" while still making a physical product:
Release the album on Vinyl, CD, and Cassette first. Physical media that has a download code to the songs on your own site that you own 100%. You get the benefit of selling your music without splitting revenue with Spotify or Apple as well as a cool physical aspect that hypebeasts can own that shows off how cool they are.
We also buy $1000 phone tablet and computer to listen to music on $200-500 headphones so $200 MP3 player isn’t bad lol
If austin is ok with this paywall, then hes ok with best buys total tech to buy a graphics card/console
The difference is that bestbuy doesn't manufacture and design graphics cards
Disliked the video because of Austin’s statements. STEMS is nothing new. Google for a second. This should be an app. Artist’s can own there own music. But you know physical media also still excited. This is just more e-wast sent in the world and a division between classes. Happy Matt was still sitting next to Austin.
Kanye west , using modern technology to take us way back
Watch Donda 2 release to other platforms in 2-3months once that 12% doesn’t matter..
- Guess who's going to jail tonight?
- You with that tone😂
Damn Matt’s just laying down the truth
Ogga 2: Electric Boggaloo
Wow this makes me feel like Martin Shkreli
Used to be that the only way was to buy physical media to listen to music: cd,tape,8track, and records.
I agree with matt 200 is steep af and maybe the best thing to do would be to release the album on spotify with a few exclusive tracks only available with this stem player it's an interesting idea to have channel stems to play about with ... very interesting hope it catches on ... hear some acapellas etc v nice
So basically Kaynes way at getting back at people not buying music anymore... $200 for his album. This is the next Zune
POV you just bought it today and are watching this because you're excited
This just seems like a fancy mixer
If kanye had made it an app then that would leave room for people to illegally download not only his app but his music. This would defeat the purpose of him trying to own his music.
EXACTLY!!! Aww some of these comments are just stupid idiots.
The reason for STEMS is so he can. Collect 4 royalties stack on one track so this is why the site splits otbeach part is uploaded and each part collects when isolated it's just a monitization money move we use stems in DJing
kanye is a genius
Since cellphones don't work anywhere near me, so much so that we still run at 3g. No apps unless I'm home and use wifi calling only. My phone is dead unless I go 30 miles from my house
Ye: “buy my album for $200”
Internet: *searching the whole world for leaks on Donda 2*
The Stem player is not only home to Donda 2. Donda Deluxe and Jesus Is King are also included on the player via the platform free of charge with tweaks and updates to songs every now and then.Those albums account for almost 1/4 of the price and it provides fans with intimate access into his creative process. If Ye releases more music or other artists submit stems to the platform as well the player will eventually pay for itself. Thile
stem player also samples and contains exporting options making it a studio tool as well. Donda 2 isn’t the end goal for the stem player as a corresponding app is in development. This is going to be a fully immersive experience when it’s all said and done. I disagree with the “too poor” statement as the majority of people pay way more for the device they listen to Spotify on and with. Consoles do this all the time only to charge users a monthly fee to take advantage of all the features in addition to game prices, yet no one accuses Microsoft or Sony of being insensitive to people’s budgets. The resale value of the Stem Player has always been good and it’s a cool way to connect fans with Ye’s art.
“We’ve never had a hardware paywall when it comes to music” how about CDs and records?
I imagine Kanye will release Donda 2 on that little device and he will probably start dropping some of his Sunday services on there as well too.
2:10 It is an app. iZotope RX does exactly this except it's more professional and useful.
And how much is that? Because that’s the main argument… that it’s 200 dollars and people don’t have 200 dollars to spend on it lol
@@jesusangeles152 izotope is expensive plus you have to buy the daw and a computer so its a lot more expensive
@@zanecallisto4169 It's $200 and no you don't necessarily NEED a daw. But I agree the device is probably easier to use. But it's not more practical. Like who messes up with the mix for fun on a weird circle thingy lol. It's cool tech but to me it's a wasted opportunity.
@@itsbtunes you need a daw to run isotope and there not cheap it's alot more then 200 bucks obviously if your a producer you already have all of that but for the general public they wouldn't and if they wanted to mess around with Stems and remixing this is a lot better I personally don't have a need for one but I love the idea especially if it gets a whole new crowd of people interacting and wanting to learn more about music
That Netflix Anna show
“It’s VIP”
“Exclusive”
i mean 60k people bought it in 24 hours
sheesh that's big money within a 24/hr span
@@StromLxrd6 2.5 mill
I'm not a Kanye fan but I don't think they understand what his point was, they're complaining about it being an overpriced device but you're not buying a device you're buying an album, the device is not the product it's the music and the interaction with it, granted you could do that in an app but he's not trying to sell an app he's trying to sell an album in the most unique way possible. Yeah canvas and paint isn't that expensive but just because the material value isn't high doesn't mean that the artistic value isn't.
Correct ✅
2:25 I guess they completely forgot about before we had streaming music services. How about records, cassette tapes, or CDs?
"one billion percent, could be an app" could also just be sold for $25 instead of $200
Did we already forget that time iphones came preloaded with U2's new album and everyone hated it?
I don’t watch this channel. But the discussion on the societal and economical effects of this products really intrigued me. It’s more than tech and I love it.
The main point is this…. How can you afford to spend hundreds and thousands on designer, jewelry, shoes etc but can’t afford to buy yourself a house, live on section 8, literally live off of the government.
Business people know insane prices are ridiculous but also know people are desperate to be first at owning something and feeling entitled so people will pay.
if this was made in the mp3 days i would have imagined it being more popular
It's like how only apple users can use the noise canceling on the Airpods
People buy hardware for specific things all the time. People have Xbox specifically for halo. This isn't the first time it's been done. No one with a Playstation is saying it's incredibly devisive in that case. It's also like saying you're too poor to buy any luxury item you can't afford. If it matters enough for you to buy then do even if you have to save up to own it.
The benefit of an xbox is that you can also play thousands of other games.
What the fuck can you actually do with this? Just get an iPod!
Ok guess. Secondary purpose. Have the STEM go, mute vocal, homemade karaoke track. Not saying it's good, but it's a thought
Also going to assume they bring this up later on the video than I am
Okay after seeing it i think its actually pretty cool that it will try to split any song
Remember that machine-learning program that could make an infinite remix of a song? That on a device would be amazing--equally or more amazing that some company didn't purchase it for wide-scale use and would be very useful for DJs
“you’re too broke to listen to my music” bruh what. it’s like a mpk.. bluetooth speaker.. a toy for music lovers.. you can put other songs on it.. you can put your own music on it.. you can damn near be a dj with it.. for 200. it’s not 200 and “months” of saving for a album.. the album is just like dlc at that point
Can’t do it with an app being able to to have a hardware where you can get an instrumental anytime to rap over
I just wanted to say that your thumbnail was misleading... I thought it was Anthony Fantano for a second
Donda 2 will be on Piratebay on day 1.... There, free.
You guys remember when Jay Z sold a million copies of Magna Carta Holy Grail to Samsung to release with the new Galaxy Phone at that time?
Nothing is exclusive when there are pirates cruising the high seas yarrrr
I think they don’t understand stems are pretty useful in the music world and the fact an artist can sell those I don’t see anything wrong and there’s a whole lot you can do with the me stems of music, that the artist is letting you access
Kanye is goated for reinventing the publishing and distribution of music.
This precedent would make the music world more like the film world.
Whats worst?
the stem player that anybody can buy for $200
or "once upon a time in shaolin " a single copy by the wu that was sold for millions to Martin shkreli and has a 88 year clause?
100 gecs did a free stem release of their remix album. They didn't care about money. But the man who could buy anything he wants had to start arguing pay rates?
Honestly something like this this thing would be cool for kids learning about music.
If it was more than Kayne and the built in speakers where better or it was cheaper I think it would be a cool idea. As a musician myself having the stems would be great for hearing each part and knowing what is actually going on. It really needs to be far more than just Kayne. With all do respect his stuff isn't that complicated to really need the separation of each instrument.
i think a good comparison is having to pay 500 for a ps5 to play an exclusive like spiderman miles morales
Naw you pay 500 to have something no one else does
I can see hype beast now blasting Kanye wit their Yeezys on wit the stem 😭
To be honest i’d rather not have it on an app, messing with sliders on your phone screen sounds a lot more boring that using an actual device, and the Aux port (although necessary) is a plus that a lot of phones don’t have.
Everyone hated Spotify when they said taking longer than 2 years to work ok an album will hurt the artist financially, now that Kanye is trying to change that he’s getting hate?
This is for Ye fans like me who also make music. It's a designer product end of day like Gucci.
I bought it and it's kind of like a fidget spinner for artist and music lovers. Also it pretty much places you in Ye's "Beta Tester" program for his music where you will be the first to listen to the update of the Donda 2 songs which are not finished. The discord alerts yoyu when an update to a song is out and i believe once the full album is complete that is when he will release it everywhere else.
Mind you i make 50k a year and have no kids/wife whilst living in the midwest so my buying situation is vastly different.
The dude on the left doesn't make sense with his arguments. He keeps saying "if apple did this it would be a bad precedent" but he's missing the point of kanye trying to provide a path in the future for new artists to own their music.
I love the debate, but other systems have been doing hardware locks for years, and IMO this is just an artist looking at how they can copy existing systems for their profit. Apple is notorious for this, like preventing device use unless you first pair it to an iPhone, or preventing you from developing ios if you only own an iPhone and not a Mac.