To anyone watching this video from 21st august 2024 the part about Beetlejuice 2 had to be edited out due to a copyright claim from Warner bros. Ultimately I said that the sequel is coming out this year and has said to go back to using a majority of practical effects instead of cgi and he is bringing back a few of the original cast members and jenna ortega. Maybe this could end up being the film that “brings Tim button back!” If you want to see the edited out part dm me on instagram I’m happy to send it ☺️ take care all
IN OTHER DETAILS IF YOU ASK ME, regarding his resurgance, Tim Burton has potential to collaborate on other types of projects the japanese material and if there is the best fit for him beyond quirkiness is nonother than the obscure rumic world works of Rumiko Takahashi, makes sense?
the movie was an absolute abomination... The worst Burton spectacle and self insert ever, as it is on top of the most Burton film of all time. He doesnt even understand his own original work. Sickening truly
You just seem really angry, this was the only real "sequel" to a classic movie since The Force Awakens ruined hollywood, every sequel has been the same plot and sentimentality refitted with different iconography and nostalgia, Beetlejuice 2 had none of that sappy callback crap. RUclips deleted my reply the first time@@WhatisReal11
I remember when Coralline came out and I was 100% certain it was a Tim Burton film, only to find out it was actually Henry Selick. Then, I researched him and realized Henry Slick was actually responsible for a lot of beloved films people just credit Tim Burton for, for whatever reason. Henry Selicks early student projects are quite something, too. I highly recommend diving into his work.
This is true. But all the characters, the designs of the characters and models and the story was from Tim Burton, that is why it is called Tim Burton's Nightmare Before Christmas.
She got a lot of info wrong in this video, she got plenty right, but she should’ve doctored her script better cause she also kept calling Frankenweenie “Frank Weenie” but I have no idea why she would do that as if she didn’t know the real name
@Beefy-Cheese the story was his original story, and he created the characters. He had two other writers, one to adapt his original story/poem, Michael McDowell, and one for the screenplay, Caroline Thompson. But the movie would not have happened without him as it was his original creation...
@@DapperManDanIt's called "Tim Burton's Nightmare before Christmas" because the studio wanted to bring in more audience and Burton was already popular because of Batman and Beetlejuice. I mean, it was his original idea and without it there would be no movie, but there would also be no movie without the work of other people because Burton was adamant in NOT doing the massive amounts of work a stop motion movie requires. He was barely involved in production and not at all in filming. You have to give credit where credit is due, his idea? Yes, his movie? Not at all. It's Henry Selick's movie
Since the mid-2000s, Burton has been led by his audience instead of leading them. In the 90s, the consumer wasn’t exactly crying out for a weirdo goth filmmaker inspired by Fritz Lang, Vincent Price and drive-in sci-fi movies. But when Burton gave them these projects, they absolutely ate them up precisely because they wanted an artist with a unique vision. Since then, I think societal expectations have favoured entertainment above art (there are some obvious financial reasons for this), and so the demand is now for franchise stories dressed in a Tim Burton skinsuit.
Really well put. I definitely feel as though Burton has loss the personal feel of his films and like you said, let audiences and expectations dictate his creations when what made his films so great in the first place is how unpredictable and out of the world they were. Thank you for taking the time to comment your thoughts ☺️
I think Burton started losing his edge with Planet of the Apes. Aside from Big Fish and Corpse Bride, he just felt like a typical studio director with only his aesthetics giving some life to bland performances and undercooked stories. I believe he needs to work on something personal again, and hopefully animated.
I agree, like you said I think he would definitely benefit from doing something more personal but as time goes on It feels as though he is drifting away from that. It would be great to see him do an animation again! Thank you for your comment I really appreciate you sharing your thoughts :)
@@AbbieRee I think that’s what frustrates me more with Burton, in the same way I’ve felt with Argento. He’s drifted too far and I don’t think we’ll get that 80s/90s energy before his retirement. But we can only hope! Keep up the great work! I love the vibe of your content, it’s endearingly laid back.
Personally, I feel he's similar to Grimes. He was counterculture and indie, I think (or that's what I've heard about his lore). But then, he got absorbed by "The Culture", he became mainstream. He wasn't this creepy, mad genius hit machine anymore, he became part of the establishment. That's issue N. 1. Issue N. 2. is that well, it seems he lost his originality and charm, his creativity. The last good film he had that I remember was Frankenweenie. The world moved on and he refused to reinvent himself, because when you have everyone kissing your rear for simply breathing, unless you are truly committed, you can afford to live on the rotting scraps of your old work, which is what he's doing.
Great comparison, I definitely agree that what made Tim button so unique was the fact that he was willing to create things that were so different from the mainstream. But like you said I feel as though he started to loose that personal touch as times gone on. Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts I really appreciate it 😊
I think him dating monica belluci rn makes me think he is still trying to impress those popular kids in high school that made him feel like an outcast.
I still remember when Grimes paid the press to picture her walking down a street reading Marx's das Kapital after her breakup with Musk. It was suuuuper cringe 😬
I lost it when he said Dumbo was an autobiographical film. 😆 (An adaptation of a movie that came out a decade before he was born) The elephants may not have gotten drunk this time, but he certainly was.
I mean, that's not a crazy take. He's Dumbo, and the circus was Disney, exploiting his gifts to sell product and push a blatantly exploitative enterprise! It's like how Lynch calls Eraserhead his most spiritual movie. Sure on the surface it makes no sense, but it is if you think a little harder.
The dumbo remake is weirdly anti-corporation , its very easy to look at the movie and see a commentary on Disney as a corporation purchasing other companies.
He was also unable to work on Elvira’s movie due to Beetlejuice. I would’ve LOVED seeing what prime Burton would’ve done with a film adaptation of the musical Phantom of the Opera.
Nightmare before Christmas is not directed by Tim Burton. It was an idea he had and he produced it but It was directed by Henry Selick with songs mostly written by Danny Elfman.
This is true. But all the characters, the designs of the characters and models and the story was from Tim Burton, that is why it is called Tim Burton's Nightmare Before Christmas. And he and Elfman were very much collaborators for the songs. Henry Selick did a great job directing, but the movie would have never happened if it weren't for Tim Burton.
I was so excited when I saw that Tim Burton was working on Wednesday, and I loved how in the opening shot of the first episode the school is really colorful, but Wednesday and Pugsly look like they're in black and white. Then when she went to Nevermore everything got desaturated and it just seemed like Burton gave up his visual storytelling for an aesthetic.
Definitely I felt as though Wednesday would have been a great fit for his “aesthetic” but like you said some shots felt very burton-esque and others just felt like any other cw show. I do wonder if this will change in season 2? Thank you for sharing your thoughts I really appreciate it ☺️
The biggest flaw is it went moody teenager path. When the whole Addams Family is supposed to be antithesis to bright sitcom settings. Having Tim Burton was great bcs he is odd ball. His stories and aesthetic style is different than others. Just like Addams Family. But by making the story same as ever other teenage drama it lost it's charm.
@@Vor567tezIf Gomez Addams killed someone and went to jail just to date Morticia they wouldn't hide that secret they would literally tell that love story every dinner time to anyone who can listen.
I remember hearing the announcement of him doing Alice in Wonderland and just being so excited. Because of course that sounds like it’s gonna be incredible. But instead it was this weird CGI epic final battle chosen one movie. Not the creative movie I thought it would be.
I paid the equivalent of $50 to see that steaming lump of garbage in 3D with my girlfriend at the time. It was bad, AND gave me a headache. Very disappointing.
I forgot to mention in the video that. Tim burton didn’t actually direct The nightmare before Christmas which is based on a poem Burton wrote in 1981. Henry Selick directed the film Burton was simply a producer. Edited : Thank you for those who pointed out that it was the everlasting gobstopper that Charlie returned not the fizzy lifting drink.
This is true. But all the characters, the designs of the characters and models and the story was from Tim Burton, that is why it is called Tim Burton's Nightmare Before Christmas. Henry Selick did a great job directing, but the movie would have never happened if it weren't for Tim Burton.
@@DapperManDan Burton only created Jack Sally and Sandy. Henry was involved in the other characters, but Burton worked with Elfman, and both of them put a cast together. Very collaborative between the three of them all did their own important role.
as much grief as i give Tim Burton movies since the early 2000's, i still love his early movies and i have to give him credit for essentially creating a separate genre of film just called Tim Burton movies. i realised that when i was resorting my physical media collection and i had all my movies sorted into different genres but with the exception of the Batman movies had his movies all together in one genre.
I think one problem with Burton is that he allowed/hired people to do the work for him (pretty early on in his career) but excepted and people gave him credit for his films as if he was like an auteur. Because of this Tim Burton slowly Became a brand, which was progressively watered down.
Charlie & The Chocolate Factory Movie was actually closer to The Book then the ironic version we all know & love, Tim Burton’s adaptation is more faithful to that source material.
Tim Burton is one of these creatives I never totally felt. Edward Scissorhands is a masterpiece. And he directed many movies that I liked. But also a lot that put me off. I will say though that he is indeed a true artist! He has a vision and a spine. Yes, he has contradicted himself many times. I think that's because he's somewhat troubled, and maybe that's what fuels his creativity. The world would be worse off without people like him.
He definitely has inspired so many! I do think the fact that he’s always felt “weird” and like he didn’t fit in has helped his creative process. Thank you for sharing your thoughts ☺️
The third act of Edward Scissorhands seemed to be just thrown together though, like Burton didn't know how to end it. Had a good first 2 acts. But the third was just average and kind of a let down.
I saw Pee Wee’s Big Adventure in the theater when I was a kid and it’s still my favorite. It’s perfectly engineered to turn the crank on a little kid’s imagination.
@@DarkHouseReviewsyeah I really didn’t like Wednesday that much either. I have nothing against the character, and I’m not that familiar with the Addams Family, but the show felt very generic and soulless.
It is a common pattern with a lot of artists, it is most apparent with musicians though, wherein they do well with one style or concept and replicate it for a while but then change to try new things. These new styles/concepts are no where near as well received as those that gave the artist success, firstly because it is not what the cultivated audience of the artist wanted, and second because the artist doesn't have the requisite skill set for the new stuff (they are still developing and learning at this point). Usually the artist either then returns to their original style or they continue to explore and develop the new style to varying degrees of master. Tim Burton seems to be returning more to his original style, though whether or not he recaptures it is another question that will only be answered in time.
Excellent comparison. I do think it’s really interesting how every Tim burton film feels like a Tim burton film but is slowly losing that magic as time goes on. Like you said it will be interesting to see what the future will bring. Thank you so much for taking the time to share you thoughts ☺️
Favourite Tim Burton movie? Probably Beetlejuice. Will Beetlejuice Beetlejuice succed where others have failed? Perhaps. It could go either way but I am cautiously optimistic if only because Tim Burton does what Tim Burton does for Tim Burton, not for anyone else.
Great video! I think my favorite Burton movie would probably be the original Batman. I think because he's operating in an existing world with it, he's a bit more limited in what he can do stylistically, but I think that also helped in him seeing where he should really push his aesthetic with it, creating a good balance where it feels like his style really amplifies the material, rather than feel like a crutch for it.
Thank you so much ! Great pick! Definitely I think it really gave him a lot of work to play around with, like you said his style really worked and complimented to the story rather than overwhelmed it. Thank you for sharing your thoughts I really appreciate it 😊
Batman 1989 is perfection for me as far as watching a Burton film. Not necessarily being original to the character of Batman but just the atmosphere of Gotham City. The grit, the goth vibes, the fear, the trauma of being in that world. The costumes were glorious ofc. It also had so much influence on Bruce Timm’s Batman The Animated Series.
I think most people just see the bad animation and the obvious nature of his bad ideas. He capitalizes on idea's that sound dumb, and are, however there are people who misconstrue this as talent. This leads to a cult following, not unlike Quentin Terintino. Both have one good movie. For Quentin it was Pulp Fiction. For this guy, it was Beetlejuice. Of course he's going to re make it, it's the only thing he's got.
love this topic... i have always loved his films... for me, i started noticing he had changed a lot, in the miss peregrine's home for peculiar children.... it felt childish in a really bad way. same feeling i got for Wednesday. it's like he lost his magic OR just doesn't care about the same things anymore. his focus point seem to be somewhere else. almost feels like an imitation of himself.
Definitely! I think it slowly started to feel like his movies lost that personal touch they used to have. Almost feels like an imitation of himself - puts it perfectly Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts on the topic I really appreciate it ☺️
TBH I would not be bothered if he went back to making some more gothic horror movies. I’m a big fan of Sweeney Todd, & Sleepy Hallow and I want him to something like his low budget short film of Hansel and Gretal ( the one with the creepy gingerbread man) with other famous fairy tales.
Burton's Alice also was an incredibly by-the-numbers story that deviated a lot form both the average Burton movie (being more generic and boring) and the Alice in Wonderland books and films (which were deliberately incoherent and illogical). He just made a standard Hollywood movie with a boring standardized hero's journey that felt like a machine could have written it even before the advent of AI. This is the point Burton lost his touch in my eyes.
y'know, my brother and my sister grew up with tim burton's films and they actually were genuinely excited about the alice movies because hey, tim is a weird guy and with a weird story he's definitely going to be great! but at one point, my sister just wanted to stop watching his films because she felt he was doing everything he didn't want to do or that he would criticize others doing and that, in a way, crossed him off as an artist for her. i think if he had followed his path instead of trying to be seen as a "general" kind of director that anyone would see / enjoy, he would've made some other great films. edit: oh! btw, my fave tim burton film has to be beetlejuice (i'm a big winona and keaton fan lol).
Definitely! Overtime I feel as though that personal touch he once had has gone. Oh and Beetlejuice is a great pick! Thank you so much for taking the time to share your thoughts I really appreciate it ☺️
I've disengaged with Tim Burton after his comments on diveristy. As a black autistic goth Burton and his work really spoke to me. I had always felt weird and loved weird things that were not considered the social norm so his comments deeply hurt me. I still watch BeetleJuice and Edward Scissor Hands as those are the movies were I feel like I can still enjoy them and the diversity issue isn't nagging at me. That and there my special interest so it's been quit painful to not engage with them at all.... even though I do not believe in seperating the art from the artist. Tim Burton hasnt had that many personal projects looking back I dont know when or why but he's gone into making remakes of already exsisting projects that dont need to be told through his eyes. In my personal opionion Burton has good orginal ideas every once in awhile like FrankenWeenie or NBC (even though Henry Sellik wrote and directed that movie I'm talking more so the poem) and other times he relies on pre existing work to create with like Corpse Bride. Tim Burton has a unique aesthetic sure but his writing has always felt lackuster to me. When he's the sole writer everything doesnt all work for me. He's at his best when either someone takes his idea and writes a story like Sellick with NBC or when he has a co writer like on Edward Scissor Hands. All this to say I look at Tim Burton differenty after his comments on diversity sure he hasnt been flat out racist but the silence is speaking for itself inside and outside of his work/art.
My favorite Tim Burton movie has to be Ed Wood. “Really? Worst film you ever saw. Well, my next one will be better. Hello? Hello?” Beetleguise is not going to be his first sequel he made Batman Returns. Hopefully the Beetlejuice sequel is as good as that one because I think that’s one of the best sequels..
Just wanted to say how amazing this video is! And I was surprised to see the lack of attention that it should have, I hope you get your deserved fame soon ❤
Tim Burton to me is one of the great directors. The stuff of his I like I really like and the stuff I am more luke warm about I think overal is still really good (with the exception of Dumbo, though I blame Disney for that) I even rank his version of the chocolate factory above the first as its more accurate to the books and even if deep down I do prefer the first movie in many ways I respect being a bit more true to the source material. In regards to him doing Bettle Juice 2, im not that surprised. What many of us forget is that artists dont have the luxery of only being creative when inspiration strikes them but having to still do artistic work at all times and that can be a drain on anyone no matter how creative you are. I mean just look at James Camron and Ridley Scott. Fantastic movies under there belt, but also dog shit. I think it is inevitable for any creative person to fall back to their previous work as you cant just keep making banger after banger, eventually culture will change and youll find yourself out of it. I do hope that BJ2 will be great but I am a bit more cautious on its quality, though I think at worst it will still be better then Dumbo.
Very well put. you covered so many things perfectly. He has definitely inspired and influenced so many. I appreciate your take on Charlie and the chocolate factory and think you made some excellent points! I do have a lot of hope for Beetlejuice 2 and am looking forward to seeing what he will do. Thank you so much for your comment!
I was shocked when I found outTim Burton was involved with Wednesday, because in general I just found the series bland and story derivative and lifeless for an Addams Family property. Besides the general gothic aesthetic, I honestly couldn't see any of the Tim Burton charm in the series. 10 years ago I would have lost my shit hearing Tim Burton was going to be involved with the Addams Family, but fast forward and I feel like the show would've been the same without him.
@@ender7278It is. He came with de characters, the story... Selick direct it. But without Burton will have nothing to direct. Also, Selick try to be as faithful to the vision of Burton.
6:56 Correction - Burton did some TV work pre-“Wednesday”. From “Faerie Tale Theatre” (R.I.P. Shelley) to even an internet cartoon based on his character, “Stainboy” and even an unproduced Wizard of Oz show.
I love Edward Scissorhands and Sweeney Todd the most. I also love Dark Shadows mostly for the music, the atmosphere and Eva Green. By the way, you have that look. You're blond, big eyed. You could've starred in one of these and would've looked the part. Great video
In the original "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" Charlie didn't give back a drink he and his grandfather ingested; he gave back the Everlasting Gobstopper. For "Dumbo", the drunk elephants might have been removed as a requirement by Disney. Practical can only go so much
Burton has an extraordinary imagination. His movies have always been some of my favorites. He has some hits and misses with pre existing story that he adapts. But his biggest strength is when he writes original, personal stories. With Beetlejuice Beetlejuice coming out this September, I hope it lived up to the lore of the original story and Carrie’s some of that same nostalgic magic.
Couldn’t agree more. Like you said burton thrives when it’s more of a personal story! I do have a lot of hope for Beetlejuice 2 it’s going to be interesting to see what he does with it! Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the topic I really appreciate it 😊
Wednesday was okay as a show. The writing went downhill near the end but it was fine for the most part. I think my favourite is either Beetlejuice or Big Fish. I also enjoy his Batman films. Not looking forward to the Beetlejuice sequel as I do not really see a need for it. Especially after 35 plus years. I am also a little confused by the time of year being early September. Would seem dead on as a Halloween release.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts! You bring up an interesting point It definitely would make more sense it being a Halloween release, I really wonder what they will do with the storyline of the film but it’s going to be hard to live up to the original!
Thev plan for the release in September is that if it's a hit, it will carry over to October. Plus, once September hits, people start thinking "Fall", "Autumn" and "Halloween". I do agree an October release would have been more ideal. The original was released on March 30th, 1988, right at the beginning of Spring.
Thank you for not lumping Charlie and the Chocolate Factory in with burtons CG era, people don’t realize how much that movie relied on practical effects
This really should be called the rise,fall & rise of Tim Burton cause Beetlejuice is a awesome film & I feel some people are too harsh on the Wenesday Addams show.
@@AbbieRee No problem Abbie, keep up the great work. And yeah I do agree his recent stuff just feels vapid compared to his early run. Grew up watchin Beetlejuice, Batman and Mars Attacks. Edward Scissorhands still gives me a lump in my throat as a full grown man lol prob his best film imo.
Favorite Burton films are Beetlejuice, Batrman & Batman Returns, Edward Scissorhands & Sleepy Hollow. I also love Mars Attacks and both his live action short and full length stop action animated versions of Frankeweenie. His whole catalog of films, I don't dislike any though.
ive touched on this in my own video essays, and maybe i have a specific interest in scriptwriters, but i think the basic crux of the issue is that, as burton himself has said, he doesnt know a good screenplay from a bad one. the best movies of his are the ones where he works with writers who can expand on burtons own scattered ideas and self-interest and work them into a satisfying cohesive whole. the fact that he worked with writers like john august and daniel waters and caroline thompson and scott alexander and larry karaszewski more than once shows that these were the writers he felt confident in to tell his own stories, and probably with whom he gelled the best. writers like jane goldman and ehren kruger and linda woolverton, probably were studio mandated writers and "supposed to help communicate burtons style to a wider audience", and told what they wanted from disney and the other studios (probably more child friendly stuff, more female empowerment, funnier scenes, action scenes, etc). i find it funny you mentioned a series of unfortunate events and addams family though, as both movies were meant to have him directing but ultimately were given to another director/producer, barry sonnenfeld, who i think understands burtons appeal but adding his own spin to it. and also, a lot of burton's appeal comes from his work not with his recurring actors but with his recurring art team. rick heinrichs, colleen atwood, anton furst, they all worked to translate his style on screen, and thats part of what made his films so beautiful when i was young. a lot of that beauty has faded with the years, and even the movies that feature it (like dumbo) have lost much of its texture and independence from big studios. i actually really enjoy how he inserts himself in his own movies, even the ones he doesnt seem to like so much. his featuring of outcast characters, or just simply people who are borderline marginalized and considered "weird" or "unsettling" really tends to appeals to teenagers, at least during his more successful years. i think the autobiographical aspects he adds to his own movies comes from a place of wanting to connect with the characters someone else is writing about, and that connection is what makes a movie recognizably his. i dont think beetlejuice two will be good unless the writers and script are any good. and i havent seen the trailer, but what snippets are shown here, it just looks like it wants to repeat what the first one did. the generational thing looks interesting, but that was it. the beetlejuice character himself does not really work nowadays, i think. jenna ortega will be very good in it, though, as she often is. sorry for the long comment, but im really fascinated with analysis of burton's work (obviously), as i feel theres so much about him that can be elaborated as a modern sort of "vulgar auteur". also, my favorite movie of his is corpse bride. not his best one by a long shot, and is clearly inferior to nightmare before christmas, but it really gets to me, yknow.
Maybe younger person would not get that but i think this movie was suppose to be meeting after years and homage to the first part - mostly nostalgic. He is 66 no wonder he changed his mind since he was 20
Favorite Burton film has definitely got to be Batman (89) and I don't think he's going anywhere he will definitely always be a presence in the world of movies
Burton's Batman is like no other portrayal in any medium of pop culture, that being Comics, Film,Animation, Video Games. And because of that, it is the worst incarnation of the character, don't get me wrong. I grew up with Batman (1989) & Batman Returns (1992) and still enjoy revisiting them, but Burton is someone that doesn't understand Batman, let alone likes him. My personal favourite of his Filmography are Ed Wood (1994) & Big Eyes (2014)
saying "no CGI" is a deliberate marketing gimmick by the studios to get free marketing from "[insert movie here] is going all practical FX!" articles. They do use CG but it's meant to be invisible, so "no CGI" is actually just "invisible CGI".
I would probably say Batman and Beetlejuice. But people sem to forget Batman Returns, which I think an excellent film as well, in some ways more Burton-esque than the first one, especially because he had more creative control. If things hadnt soured between him and Warner Brothers because it didnt make as much money (even though it still did well), he had some interesting plans for the third film. Another honorable mention for me is Sweeney Todd. Its definitely an odd one, but I think only Burton could have pulled it off. I always forget also that he and his muse Helena Bonham-Carter were together for close to 15 years and had two kids together. Their split in 2014 was apparently pretty rough and I think that really affected him for a time. Maybe Wednesday was what he needed to get his juices flowing again. Perhaps doing something different (TV) gave him perspective and confidence to be good with doing the sequel for Beetlejuice. Great video as always.
Definitely, some really great film choices! I think his Batman adaptations really complimented his style so well. Thank you so much I’m glad you enjoyed ☺️
Just want to throw out a correction: I find it very odd to refer to his rendition of Charlie and the Chocolate factory as lacking respect for the source material. I find it especially funny considering the 70s movie was forbidden from using the charlie & the chocolate factory name because it was so far removed from the original that Roald Dahl didn't want them using his name. After his passing, during the production of Burton's film, Dahl's widow gave them permission to use the IPs name because it was so much closer to the source material. Just find it a little ridiculous to classify the film as disrespectful to its source material, when of the the two notable adaptations, when it was the only one allowed to use the actual name of the property 🤷
Reboots/sequels /reimagining's = no creativity + Cultist propaganda, no thank you. I'll happily just continue my annual Halloween screening of the superb 'Nightmare Before Christmas' and that will suffice, thank you. You are a kind, sweet creator, your video has a like from me.
Halloween is definitely when Tim burton crawls out of his cave! Thank you so much for your nice words they mean a lot I really appreciate it so much ☺️
I thought Wednesday contradicted what the Addams Family is about. The joke of the Addams family is they are the weird family in a neighborhood of normies. But now there is a whole school of weirdos. It's like they're trying to make Harry Potter, not the Addams Family.
Great work on the video Abbie , I would say his downfall started with Alice in Wonderland but Beetlejuice 2 looks like a step in the right direction . You should make an essay on movies from Paul Verhoeven , tons of great material there .
Thank you so much! I would have to agree with you that’s when I personally started seeing a shift in his work! Like you said Beetlejuice 2 looks really promising. Great idea with look into it 😊 Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the topic I appreciate it
2:36 that’s a Everlasting Gobstopper, not Fizzy Lifting Drink. Also Tim Burton didn’t direct Nightmare Before Christmas it was Henry Selick who directed Coraline.
Thank you for pointing this out. I was quoting a video when it came to the fizzy lifting drinks but I should have double checked I will definitely double check my sources going forward. I did know that the nightmare before Christmas was directed by Henry Selick but forgot to mention it in the video, I kept the film in because it was based on burtons poem and burton was a producer on the film. But thank you for your comment I do appreciate it 😊
He fell off in the late 2000s and shifted to a more main stream director. Batman Returns, Ed Wood and Beetlejuice are his best films imo. Also enjoy Batman and Sleepy Hollow.
Tim Burton’s movies were a part of my childhood, I always love movies like nightmare before Christmas, corpse bride, beetlejuice, sweeny Tod, sleepy hallows, Edward scissor hands, and frankinweenie I literally loved dark children shows and movies
@Timburtonofficial That’s sweet but I didn’t make this video. I am mainly just on YT, doing stuff related to Feminism. But I did enjoy this video, I hope you can get in touch with the creator and work something out 👍
Even though Tim Burton isn't a director I really care for, I think his style makes him a really great director because, when you watch his earlier films, you can always tell it's a Tim Burton film, and I feel other directors don't have that. Also great video and my favorite Tim Burton movie is between Batman Returns or Frankenweenie.
Story came first in most of his early films, the tone and style were in favor with those stories. It was also way more creative as well. For example the neighborhood in edward scissorshands compared to the gothic mansion. There was alot of contrast between those two styles in alot of his first movies and it gave it a unique look.
Burton had a hell of a run in the 80s and 90s, I will always love Batman 89 even if somethings feel very dated, love Beetlejuice, Mars Attacks is one of the most underrated comedies ever and I'm also a big Sleepy Hollow fan. Burton has had some real misses in the last 20 years, but I liked Frankenweenie and I really enjoyed Miss Peregrine. I never felt like his career took as big of a nosedive as some other big directors from the 80s or 90s.
I agree, I think in the 80s and 90s he was doing something that had not been done before. like you said I don't think that he's not a good director anymore but just the projects he seems to be doing recently don't feel as personal. I'm looking forward to seeing what he does with Beetlejuice 2. Thank you for sharing your thoughts I really appreciate it :)
Hey Hey Abbie I'm a new subscriber I'm a huge Tim Burton fan and I definitely agree with a lot of your viewpoints this is an awesome video I'm going to watch more of your videos
5:04 This is something straight out of my nightmares 😭 When I was a child, I would have these dreams in which monsters that looked like dwarves or demon jokers would appear out of closets or hatches or small doors and they would start dancing or laughing and contorting in my home and I was so creeped out 💀 The scariness came from the nonsense of it all, the chaos. They didn't necessarily do anything violent, but just them being there, mocking and gleefully doing subversive stuff creeped me out and shook me to my bones with cringe and fear. That shot reminds me of that.
Definitely! Like you said the scariness came from the nonsense and unsettling nature of it all! I definitely thought that something was going to pop out under my bed or jump out of my closet as a child 😅 Thank you for taking the time to comment I really appreciate it.
Running your audio through a High-Pass filter (using an EQ to remove low frequencies below around 90Hz) will really help smooth out / remove plosives ('P' and 'B' sounds that create loud pops against the diaphragm of the microphone). No doubt watching back on a phone or laptop these plosives are not noticeable, but if watching with good speakers or headphones these low frequency pops are quite distracting.
I think beetlejuice 2 will be as good as the original. It will be as good as Batman and Batman returns. Michael Keaton is back as beetlejuice, Winona Ryder is back as Lydia deetz, Catherine O’Hara is back as Delia deetz, Willem Dafoe is in it, Danny Devito, Jenna Ortega, etc. Plus Tim Burton is back and there is no cgi. Hopefully it will be a lot better than the flash even though Michael Keaton returning as Batman was the best part of the film even though it went downhill from there after his Batman dies.
I completely do not agree with anything you said in this video. His last good movie was 1994‘s Ed Wood. There is a clear delineation between Ed Wood and Mars Attacks, where he started using CGI and punched up garbage scripts. Tim Burton has often said that he can’t tell the difference between a good and a bad script. Burton was in a perfect position to have people curating scripts for him. Any good, quirky script, that the studio was not willing to throw massive amounts of money at, would go across his desk. Plus, there was a very specific type of writing that was going on in the late 80s early 90s, that was abandoned by the mid 90s by studios. Think of Films like Raising Arizona, The Fisher King, and Joe Versus The Volcano. Call it, modern fantasy, or magical realism, slapstick, or postmodern meta fiction. They were a type of narrative maximalism that went out of style. I think he thrived in this sandbox: his style met perfectly with writers at the time. Go watch Mars Attacks and see how much of a mess it was. The script is terrible; it just feels like a blockbuster script with extra parts. Then with Sleepy Hollow there is not enough to the script to make it interesting. Sure, the sets are beautiful and the editing is pretty good, but who cares when you have a script that could have been done by anyone? It reminds me of Wild Wild West and Lost in Space: Lazy Scripts that don’t understand that spectacle alone does not make a movie. Sure, Sleepy Hollow is way better than my examples; Burton Heightened every other aesthetic element of the film to compensate for a lack of depth in the script. After Sleepy Hollow, his films get really bad. Like, really really bad. He is a shell of a man at this point. There are flashes of Greatness in films such as Big Fish and Big Eyes, which is his best film Since Sleepy Hollow. However, most of it is lazy. His directing is akin to bored George Lucas, sitting in a chair, wanting to go home. There was a time in the Early 90s when the name Burton evoked a elevated quality on the Same level as The Coen Brothers or David Lynch. I think film history will not look so kindly. Much like Bela Lugosi, he has diluted his reputation to the point that his name is no longer a draw.
It’s so nice that CGI and practical FX are competing like this again! I hope this is true and it’s part of a new trend. Burton lost his edge because he’s not taking risks or embracing HORROR. His relationship with Disney made him more IP-orientated, which ignores “the outsider” or “misfit” facets of his style that made us love him in the first place. Wish he would team up with Ardman Animation and do another old school feature about MONSTERS again.🎃 Nice video and opinion.
My favorite Tim Burton movie is Batman. btw I love everything about Wednesday and Jenna Ortega. I'm also excited for Beatlejuice 2 for more Winona Ryder goodness.
We will not be young forever, you go up then down, but nobody can deny your trajectory and good stuff you provided, appreciate art for what it is not for what u expect
I really like the movie Sleepy Hollow, the only problem with it was all the flashbacks. They were so unnecessary. Why does he put so many flashbacks in his movies?
I think the real watershed in Tim Burton's career is Sweeney Todd, which is my favourite film of his. Before that you can count a lot of great movies, the most of them close to masterpieces; after Sweeney there are only a few of good or "ok" films but nothing really exceptional, in my opinion. Why is that? We'll never know, I guess. Whilst his visual is still very strong, the storytelling seems to be not passionate and involving as it was early on. I personally think with Sweeney he threw his heart in a story which seemed written for him (as many of you know, it is not an original story), where the visual, the atmosphere, the facts of the story allowed him to fit perfectly. That film absorbed the last drop of his "creative strenght" (keep in mind that is his first musical, which is a very tough genre itself to realize) to the point that today there's nothing really that powerful for him to be involved that way again; and the consequence is him focusing on the visual aspect rather then the storytelling. And the age might be another factor too: when you're in your 60s, your creativity is very different than it was in your 20s or 30s, of course; he was a boy back then, now is a grown man approaching his 70s.
I think he probably started to change after the failures of Ed Wood, Mars Attacks, and Planet of the Apes. I know he really wanted to tell the story of Ed Wood and that the cards that Mars Attacks were based off of were things that mattered to him in his childhood/personal taste. He also was a big fan of the original POTA movies. But instead of being accepted for being different, those movies weren’t really successful so maybe that’s why he started to cater to the audiences and big studios more to get back into their good graces, but that also meant he started churning out less inspired and more artificial films with a few genuinely good gems sprinkled in (Big Fish, Corpse Bride, Big Eyes). And although many of them did normally make money, lately he’s started to flop more than he did in the early to mid 2000s. Like his 2010s run withe the exception of Alice in Wonderland were mostly flops. With Wednesday, he finally seems to be making studios, audiences, and critics mostly happy again, so I hope this lasts but I’m really worried about Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice. That concept was in production hell for a very long time, and it can fall into a trap of being mid that a lot of legacy sequels fall into. The last time a Michael Keaton Burton character was resuscitated was for the Flash, which was not only not good but also a huge financial disappointment.
To anyone watching this video from 21st august 2024 the part about Beetlejuice 2 had to be edited out due to a copyright claim from Warner bros. Ultimately I said that the sequel is coming out this year and has said to go back to using a majority of practical effects instead of cgi and he is bringing back a few of the original cast members and jenna ortega.
Maybe this could end up being the film that “brings Tim button back!” If you want to see the edited out part dm me on instagram I’m happy to send it ☺️ take care all
IN OTHER DETAILS IF YOU ASK ME, regarding his resurgance, Tim Burton has potential to collaborate on other types of projects the japanese material and if there is the best fit for him beyond quirkiness is nonother than the obscure rumic world works of Rumiko Takahashi, makes sense?
the movie was an absolute abomination... The worst Burton spectacle and self insert ever, as it is on top of the most Burton film of all time. He doesnt even understand his own original work. Sickening truly
You just seem really angry, this is the only real "sequel" to a classic movie since The Force Awakens ruined hollywood @@WhatisReal11
You just seem really angry, this was the only real "sequel" to a classic movie since The Force Awakens ruined hollywood, every sequel has been the same plot and sentimentality refitted with different iconography and nostalgia, Beetlejuice 2 had none of that sappy callback crap. RUclips deleted my reply the first time@@WhatisReal11
I remember when Coralline came out and I was 100% certain it was a Tim Burton film, only to find out it was actually Henry Selick. Then, I researched him and realized Henry Slick was actually responsible for a lot of beloved films people just credit Tim Burton for, for whatever reason. Henry Selicks early student projects are quite something, too. I highly recommend diving into his work.
Definitely! Henry Slick is really underrated and has done some incredible films. Great thought! Thank you for your comment ☺️
Yess he’s truly the best
James & the giant peach!
Tim Burton didn’t actually direct Nightmare Before Christmas. Henry Selick did.
This is true. But all the characters, the designs of the characters and models and the story was from Tim Burton, that is why it is called Tim Burton's Nightmare Before Christmas.
@@DapperManDan The basic story, but he didn't write it or direct it.
She got a lot of info wrong in this video, she got plenty right, but she should’ve doctored her script better cause she also kept calling Frankenweenie “Frank Weenie” but I have no idea why she would do that as if she didn’t know the real name
@Beefy-Cheese the story was his original story, and he created the characters. He had two other writers, one to adapt his original story/poem, Michael McDowell, and one for the screenplay, Caroline Thompson. But the movie would not have happened without him as it was his original creation...
@@DapperManDanIt's called "Tim Burton's Nightmare before Christmas" because the studio wanted to bring in more audience and Burton was already popular because of Batman and Beetlejuice.
I mean, it was his original idea and without it there would be no movie, but there would also be no movie without the work of other people because Burton was adamant in NOT doing the massive amounts of work a stop motion movie requires. He was barely involved in production and not at all in filming. You have to give credit where credit is due, his idea? Yes, his movie? Not at all. It's Henry Selick's movie
Since the mid-2000s, Burton has been led by his audience instead of leading them.
In the 90s, the consumer wasn’t exactly crying out for a weirdo goth filmmaker inspired by Fritz Lang, Vincent Price and drive-in sci-fi movies. But when Burton gave them these projects, they absolutely ate them up precisely because they wanted an artist with a unique vision.
Since then, I think societal expectations have favoured entertainment above art (there are some obvious financial reasons for this), and so the demand is now for franchise stories dressed in a Tim Burton skinsuit.
Really well put. I definitely feel as though Burton has loss the personal feel of his films and like you said, let audiences and expectations dictate his creations when what made his films so great in the first place is how unpredictable and out of the world they were.
Thank you for taking the time to comment your thoughts ☺️
Do people take you guys seriously ?
good point well said
I think Burton started losing his edge with Planet of the Apes. Aside from Big Fish and Corpse Bride, he just felt like a typical studio director with only his aesthetics giving some life to bland performances and undercooked stories. I believe he needs to work on something personal again, and hopefully animated.
I agree, like you said I think he would definitely benefit from doing something more personal but as time goes on It feels as though he is drifting away from that. It would be great to see him do an animation again! Thank you for your comment I really appreciate you sharing your thoughts :)
@@AbbieRee I think that’s what frustrates me more with Burton, in the same way I’ve felt with Argento. He’s drifted too far and I don’t think we’ll get that 80s/90s energy before his retirement. But we can only hope! Keep up the great work! I love the vibe of your content, it’s endearingly laid back.
@@STICKFilmProductions exactly!
wow thank you so much ☺️ I’m glad you enjoyed!
I think it was Alice in Wonderland.
Big Eyes was a great movie
Personally, I feel he's similar to Grimes.
He was counterculture and indie, I think (or that's what I've heard about his lore).
But then, he got absorbed by "The Culture", he became mainstream.
He wasn't this creepy, mad genius hit machine anymore, he became part of the establishment.
That's issue N. 1.
Issue N. 2. is that well, it seems he lost his originality and charm, his creativity.
The last good film he had that I remember was Frankenweenie.
The world moved on and he refused to reinvent himself, because when you have everyone kissing your rear for simply breathing, unless you are truly committed, you can afford to live on the rotting scraps of your old work, which is what he's doing.
Great comparison, I definitely agree that what made Tim button so unique was the fact that he was willing to create things that were so different from the mainstream. But like you said I feel as though he started to loose that personal touch as times gone on.
Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts I really appreciate it 😊
I think him dating monica belluci rn makes me think he is still trying to impress those popular kids in high school that made him feel like an outcast.
I still remember when Grimes paid the press to picture her walking down a street reading Marx's das Kapital after her breakup with Musk. It was suuuuper cringe 😬
I lost it when he said Dumbo was an autobiographical film. 😆 (An adaptation of a movie that came out a decade before he was born) The elephants may not have gotten drunk this time, but he certainly was.
I love your Final Destination videos, Father.
Ah !😆 it would definitely be an interesting read if he wrote an autobiography.
I mean, that's not a crazy take. He's Dumbo, and the circus was Disney, exploiting his gifts to sell product and push a blatantly exploitative enterprise!
It's like how Lynch calls Eraserhead his most spiritual movie. Sure on the surface it makes no sense, but it is if you think a little harder.
The dumbo remake is weirdly anti-corporation , its very easy to look at the movie and see a commentary on Disney as a corporation purchasing other companies.
I think it’s a shame Batman Returns wasn’t that well received when it came out. It is his masterpiece.
Batman Returns is a gothic Christmas masterpiece and his best film imho
Shit is ass
@@VTTVpsycho Mars Attacks was genius - but I have to go with you on that.
That and sleepy hollow
The nose biting scene… classic
Honestly ,i think not getting Burton to direct the two Addams Family animated features was a major missed opportunity.
He was unable due to working on Batman Returns.
@@matthewcurran8618 I meant the recent animated films. I wouldn't trade BR for anything. It's one of my favorite Christmas movies
He was also unable to work on Elvira’s movie due to Beetlejuice. I would’ve LOVED seeing what prime Burton would’ve done with a film adaptation of the musical Phantom of the Opera.
Nightmare before Christmas is not directed by Tim Burton. It was an idea he had and he produced it but It was directed by Henry Selick with songs mostly written by Danny Elfman.
This is true. But all the characters, the designs of the characters and models and the story was from Tim Burton, that is why it is called Tim Burton's Nightmare Before Christmas. And he and Elfman were very much collaborators for the songs. Henry Selick did a great job directing, but the movie would have never happened if it weren't for Tim Burton.
I was so excited when I saw that Tim Burton was working on Wednesday, and I loved how in the opening shot of the first episode the school is really colorful, but Wednesday and Pugsly look like they're in black and white. Then when she went to Nevermore everything got desaturated and it just seemed like Burton gave up his visual storytelling for an aesthetic.
Definitely I felt as though Wednesday would have been a great fit for his “aesthetic” but like you said some shots felt very burton-esque and others just felt like any other cw show. I do wonder if this will change in season 2?
Thank you for sharing your thoughts I really appreciate it ☺️
He didn't actually direct all of the episodes tho!
The biggest flaw is it went moody teenager path. When the whole Addams Family is supposed to be antithesis to bright sitcom settings.
Having Tim Burton was great bcs he is odd ball. His stories and aesthetic style is different than others. Just like Addams Family.
But by making the story same as ever other teenage drama it lost it's charm.
@@Vor567tezIf Gomez Addams killed someone and went to jail just to date Morticia they wouldn't hide that secret they would literally tell that love story every dinner time to anyone who can listen.
@@tintincruz8660 True. Their unconditional love and morbid humor is what makes them unique.
I remember hearing the announcement of him doing Alice in Wonderland and just being so excited. Because of course that sounds like it’s gonna be incredible. But instead it was this weird CGI epic final battle chosen one movie. Not the creative movie I thought it would be.
Same, I was so disappointed.
He ripped off ideas from America McGee
I paid the equivalent of $50 to see that steaming lump of garbage in 3D with my girlfriend at the time. It was bad, AND gave me a headache. Very disappointing.
@@falconeshield nah America McGee was creative.
I forgot to mention in the video that.
Tim burton didn’t actually direct The nightmare before Christmas which is based on a poem Burton wrote in 1981. Henry Selick directed the film Burton was simply a producer.
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Thank you for those who pointed out that it was the everlasting gobstopper that Charlie returned not the fizzy lifting drink.
This is true. But all the characters, the designs of the characters and models and the story was from Tim Burton, that is why it is called Tim Burton's Nightmare Before Christmas. Henry Selick did a great job directing, but the movie would have never happened if it weren't for Tim Burton.
@@DapperManDan Burton only created Jack Sally and Sandy. Henry was involved in the other characters, but Burton worked with Elfman, and both of them put a cast together. Very collaborative between the three of them all did their own important role.
as much grief as i give Tim Burton movies since the early 2000's, i still love his early movies and i have to give him credit for essentially creating a separate genre of film just called Tim Burton movies. i realised that when i was resorting my physical media collection and i had all my movies sorted into different genres but with the exception of the Batman movies had his movies all together in one genre.
I think one problem with Burton is that he allowed/hired people to do the work for him (pretty early on in his career) but excepted and people gave him credit for his films as if he was like an auteur. Because of this Tim Burton slowly Became a brand, which was progressively watered down.
Charlie & The Chocolate Factory Movie was actually closer to The Book then the ironic version we all know & love, Tim Burton’s adaptation is more faithful to that source material.
I love Tim Burton's version more
Me too!@@jonal5126
But it was done horrendously.
Tim Burton is one of these creatives I never totally felt. Edward Scissorhands is a masterpiece. And he directed many movies that I liked. But also a lot that put me off. I will say though that he is indeed a true artist! He has a vision and a spine. Yes, he has contradicted himself many times. I think that's because he's somewhat troubled, and maybe that's what fuels his creativity. The world would be worse off without people like him.
He definitely has inspired so many! I do think the fact that he’s always felt “weird” and like he didn’t fit in has helped his creative process.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts ☺️
Quirky boys who made the "I'm so different, I'm not like other boys uwu" their entire personality creeps me the eff off. Like, get a new material.
The third act of Edward Scissorhands seemed to be just thrown together though, like Burton didn't know how to end it. Had a good first 2 acts. But the third was just average and kind of a let down.
I saw Pee Wee’s Big Adventure in the theater when I was a kid and it’s still my favorite. It’s perfectly engineered to turn the crank on a little kid’s imagination.
To be honest, Wednesday feel like that aesthetic-only birthday cake full of fondants. Everything is just fondants. No real thing to eat.
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@@DarkHouseReviewsyeah I really didn’t like Wednesday that much either. I have nothing against the character, and I’m not that familiar with the Addams Family, but the show felt very generic and soulless.
oh nah fondant tastes much better than Wednesday is fun to watch
@@savasapsilos3646 Let's just say that it misunderstood its source material and most of the characters on a fundamental level.
@@Casshio yeah, despite my lack of familiarity with the characters, that definitely seems true
It is a common pattern with a lot of artists, it is most apparent with musicians though, wherein they do well with one style or concept and replicate it for a while but then change to try new things. These new styles/concepts are no where near as well received as those that gave the artist success, firstly because it is not what the cultivated audience of the artist wanted, and second because the artist doesn't have the requisite skill set for the new stuff (they are still developing and learning at this point). Usually the artist either then returns to their original style or they continue to explore and develop the new style to varying degrees of master. Tim Burton seems to be returning more to his original style, though whether or not he recaptures it is another question that will only be answered in time.
Excellent comparison. I do think it’s really interesting how every Tim burton film feels like a Tim burton film but is slowly losing that magic as time goes on. Like you said it will be interesting to see what the future will bring.
Thank you so much for taking the time to share you thoughts ☺️
Batman returns is my favorite Tim Burton film. I love the art direction and photography.
Definitely! Great choice ☺️
People say Sleepy Hollow was the start of his downfall, really? I love that film, along with Sweeney Todd and Frankenweenie.
Favourite Tim Burton movie? Probably Beetlejuice.
Will Beetlejuice Beetlejuice succed where others have failed? Perhaps. It could go either way but I am cautiously optimistic if only because Tim Burton does what Tim Burton does for Tim Burton, not for anyone else.
Couldn’t have said it better!
Thank you for sharing your thoughts 😊
It’s going to suck, that’s just an informed guess, but it’s informed by decades of experience.
Big Fish is one of my favourite movies. It always makes me cry like a little boy 😉
Great video! I think my favorite Burton movie would probably be the original Batman. I think because he's operating in an existing world with it, he's a bit more limited in what he can do stylistically, but I think that also helped in him seeing where he should really push his aesthetic with it, creating a good balance where it feels like his style really amplifies the material, rather than feel like a crutch for it.
Thank you so much ! Great pick! Definitely I think it really gave him a lot of work to play around with, like you said his style really worked and complimented to the story rather than overwhelmed it.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts I really appreciate it 😊
Batman 1989 is perfection for me as far as watching a Burton film.
Not necessarily being original to the character of Batman but just the atmosphere of Gotham City. The grit, the goth vibes, the fear, the trauma of being in that world. The costumes were glorious ofc.
It also had so much influence on Bruce Timm’s Batman The Animated Series.
Can’t believe Tim Burton got ratioed
I think most people just see the bad animation and the obvious nature of his bad ideas. He capitalizes on idea's that sound dumb, and are, however there are people who misconstrue this as talent. This leads to a cult following, not unlike Quentin Terintino. Both have one good movie. For Quentin it was Pulp Fiction. For this guy, it was Beetlejuice. Of course he's going to re make it, it's the only thing he's got.
love this topic... i have always loved his films... for me, i started noticing he had changed a lot, in the miss peregrine's home for peculiar children.... it felt childish in a really bad way. same feeling i got for Wednesday. it's like he lost his magic OR just doesn't care about the same things anymore. his focus point seem to be somewhere else. almost feels like an imitation of himself.
Definitely! I think it slowly started to feel like his movies lost that personal touch they used to have.
Almost feels like an imitation of himself - puts it perfectly
Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts on the topic I really appreciate it ☺️
TBH I would not be bothered if he went back to making some more gothic horror movies. I’m a big fan of Sweeney Todd, & Sleepy Hallow and I want him to something like his low budget short film of Hansel and Gretal ( the one with the creepy gingerbread man) with other famous fairy tales.
Burton's Alice also was an incredibly by-the-numbers story that deviated a lot form both the average Burton movie (being more generic and boring) and the Alice in Wonderland books and films (which were deliberately incoherent and illogical). He just made a standard Hollywood movie with a boring standardized hero's journey that felt like a machine could have written it even before the advent of AI. This is the point Burton lost his touch in my eyes.
y'know, my brother and my sister grew up with tim burton's films and they actually were genuinely excited about the alice movies because hey, tim is a weird guy and with a weird story he's definitely going to be great! but at one point, my sister just wanted to stop watching his films because she felt he was doing everything he didn't want to do or that he would criticize others doing and that, in a way, crossed him off as an artist for her. i think if he had followed his path instead of trying to be seen as a "general" kind of director that anyone would see / enjoy, he would've made some other great films.
edit: oh! btw, my fave tim burton film has to be beetlejuice (i'm a big winona and keaton fan lol).
Definitely! Overtime I feel as though that personal touch he once had has gone.
Oh and Beetlejuice is a great pick!
Thank you so much for taking the time to share your thoughts I really appreciate it ☺️
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I've disengaged with Tim Burton after his comments on diveristy. As a black autistic goth Burton and his work really spoke to me. I had always felt weird and loved weird things that were not considered the social norm so his comments deeply hurt me. I still watch BeetleJuice and Edward Scissor Hands as those are the movies were I feel like I can still enjoy them and the diversity issue isn't nagging at me. That and there my special interest so it's been quit painful to not engage with them at all.... even though I do not believe in seperating the art from the artist. Tim Burton hasnt had that many personal projects looking back I dont know when or why but he's gone into making remakes of already exsisting projects that dont need to be told through his eyes. In my personal opionion Burton has good orginal ideas every once in awhile like FrankenWeenie or NBC (even though Henry Sellik wrote and directed that movie I'm talking more so the poem) and other times he relies on pre existing work to create with like Corpse Bride. Tim Burton has a unique aesthetic sure but his writing has always felt lackuster to me. When he's the sole writer everything doesnt all work for me. He's at his best when either someone takes his idea and writes a story like Sellick with NBC or when he has a co writer like on Edward Scissor Hands. All this to say I look at Tim Burton differenty after his comments on diversity sure he hasnt been flat out racist but the silence is speaking for itself inside and outside of his work/art.
Interestingly enough Henry actually has more diversity in his material.
My favorite Tim Burton movie has to be Ed Wood. “Really? Worst film you ever saw. Well, my next one will be better. Hello? Hello?”
Beetleguise is not going to be his first sequel he made Batman Returns. Hopefully the Beetlejuice sequel is as good as that one because I think that’s one of the best sequels..
Just wanted to say how amazing this video is! And I was surprised to see the lack of attention that it should have, I hope you get your deserved fame soon ❤
Wow! That’s too kind ! Thank you so much I’m so glad you enjoyed it. I really love making them ☺️
Tim Burton to me is one of the great directors. The stuff of his I like I really like and the stuff I am more luke warm about I think overal is still really good (with the exception of Dumbo, though I blame Disney for that) I even rank his version of the chocolate factory above the first as its more accurate to the books and even if deep down I do prefer the first movie in many ways I respect being a bit more true to the source material.
In regards to him doing Bettle Juice 2, im not that surprised. What many of us forget is that artists dont have the luxery of only being creative when inspiration strikes them but having to still do artistic work at all times and that can be a drain on anyone no matter how creative you are. I mean just look at James Camron and Ridley Scott. Fantastic movies under there belt, but also dog shit.
I think it is inevitable for any creative person to fall back to their previous work as you cant just keep making banger after banger, eventually culture will change and youll find yourself out of it.
I do hope that BJ2 will be great but I am a bit more cautious on its quality, though I think at worst it will still be better then Dumbo.
Very well put. you covered so many things perfectly. He has definitely inspired and influenced so many. I appreciate your take on Charlie and the chocolate factory and think you made some excellent points!
I do have a lot of hope for Beetlejuice 2 and am looking forward to seeing what he will do.
Thank you so much for your comment!
I was shocked when I found outTim Burton was involved with Wednesday, because in general I just found the series bland and story derivative and lifeless for an Addams Family property. Besides the general gothic aesthetic, I honestly couldn't see any of the Tim Burton charm in the series. 10 years ago I would have lost my shit hearing Tim Burton was going to be involved with the Addams Family, but fast forward and I feel like the show would've been the same without him.
The Nightmare Before Christmas. Made me feel Halloween-ish when I am in a country that does not celebrate it 💀
It is the ultimate Halloween movie 👀
Not a Tim Burton film.
@@ender7278It is. He came with de characters, the story... Selick direct it. But without Burton will have nothing to direct. Also, Selick try to be as faithful to the vision of Burton.
Ed Wood is peak Tim Burton.
6:56 Correction - Burton did some TV work pre-“Wednesday”. From “Faerie Tale Theatre” (R.I.P. Shelley) to even an internet cartoon based on his character, “Stainboy” and even an unproduced Wizard of Oz show.
Very true. I think the content creator could have put more effort into this video.
I love Edward Scissorhands and Sweeney Todd the most. I also love Dark Shadows mostly for the music, the atmosphere and Eva Green.
By the way, you have that look. You're blond, big eyed. You could've starred in one of these and would've looked the part. Great video
Some great picks! Wow thank you 😆
Thank you for sharing your thoughts I really appreciate it !
In the original "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" Charlie didn't give back a drink he and his grandfather ingested; he gave back the Everlasting Gobstopper.
For "Dumbo", the drunk elephants might have been removed as a requirement by Disney.
Practical can only go so much
Burton has an extraordinary imagination. His movies have always been some of my favorites. He has some hits and misses with pre existing story that he adapts. But his biggest strength is when he writes original, personal stories. With Beetlejuice Beetlejuice coming out this September, I hope it lived up to the lore of the original story and Carrie’s some of that same nostalgic magic.
Couldn’t agree more. Like you said burton thrives when it’s more of a personal story! I do have a lot of hope for Beetlejuice 2 it’s going to be interesting to see what he does with it! Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the topic I really appreciate it 😊
Ofc! I can’t wait for the sequel too!
Wednesday was okay as a show. The writing went downhill near the end but it was fine for the most part.
I think my favourite is either Beetlejuice or Big Fish. I also enjoy his Batman films.
Not looking forward to the Beetlejuice sequel as I do not really see a need for it. Especially after 35 plus years. I am also a little confused by the time of year being early September. Would seem dead on as a Halloween release.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
You bring up an interesting point It definitely would make more sense it being a Halloween release, I really wonder what they will do with the storyline of the film but it’s going to be hard to live up to the original!
Thev plan for the release in September is that if it's a hit, it will carry over to October. Plus, once September hits, people start thinking "Fall", "Autumn" and "Halloween". I do agree an October release would have been more ideal. The original was released on March 30th, 1988, right at the beginning of Spring.
I'm digging the aspect ratio
Thank you so much ☺️
Thank you for not lumping Charlie and the Chocolate Factory in with burtons CG era, people don’t realize how much that movie relied on practical effects
This really should be called the rise,fall & rise of Tim Burton cause Beetlejuice is a awesome film & I feel some people are too harsh on the Wenesday Addams show.
One of my new favourite creators making a vid on one of my old favourite directors :D
Go easy on my boy Abbie.
Wow thank you! 😆 I do love his work and how much impact his work has on people ! Thank you again for the support
@@AbbieRee You never wrote back to my comment Abbie :( also I am from the UK . I commented on your vidoe about Hollywood remakes
@@AbbieRee No problem Abbie, keep up the great work. And yeah I do agree his recent stuff just feels vapid compared to his early run. Grew up watchin Beetlejuice, Batman and Mars Attacks. Edward Scissorhands still gives me a lump in my throat as a full grown man lol prob his best film imo.
@@videoinsomnia Thank you ! Edward sizzorhands is truly one of his best!
Favorite Burton films are Beetlejuice, Batrman & Batman Returns, Edward Scissorhands & Sleepy Hollow. I also love Mars Attacks and both his live action short and full length stop action animated versions of Frankeweenie. His whole catalog of films, I don't dislike any though.
ive touched on this in my own video essays, and maybe i have a specific interest in scriptwriters, but i think the basic crux of the issue is that, as burton himself has said, he doesnt know a good screenplay from a bad one. the best movies of his are the ones where he works with writers who can expand on burtons own scattered ideas and self-interest and work them into a satisfying cohesive whole. the fact that he worked with writers like john august and daniel waters and caroline thompson and scott alexander and larry karaszewski more than once shows that these were the writers he felt confident in to tell his own stories, and probably with whom he gelled the best. writers like jane goldman and ehren kruger and linda woolverton, probably were studio mandated writers and "supposed to help communicate burtons style to a wider audience", and told what they wanted from disney and the other studios (probably more child friendly stuff, more female empowerment, funnier scenes, action scenes, etc).
i find it funny you mentioned a series of unfortunate events and addams family though, as both movies were meant to have him directing but ultimately were given to another director/producer, barry sonnenfeld, who i think understands burtons appeal but adding his own spin to it. and also, a lot of burton's appeal comes from his work not with his recurring actors but with his recurring art team. rick heinrichs, colleen atwood, anton furst, they all worked to translate his style on screen, and thats part of what made his films so beautiful when i was young. a lot of that beauty has faded with the years, and even the movies that feature it (like dumbo) have lost much of its texture and independence from big studios.
i actually really enjoy how he inserts himself in his own movies, even the ones he doesnt seem to like so much. his featuring of outcast characters, or just simply people who are borderline marginalized and considered "weird" or "unsettling" really tends to appeals to teenagers, at least during his more successful years. i think the autobiographical aspects he adds to his own movies comes from a place of wanting to connect with the characters someone else is writing about, and that connection is what makes a movie recognizably his.
i dont think beetlejuice two will be good unless the writers and script are any good. and i havent seen the trailer, but what snippets are shown here, it just looks like it wants to repeat what the first one did. the generational thing looks interesting, but that was it. the beetlejuice character himself does not really work nowadays, i think. jenna ortega will be very good in it, though, as she often is.
sorry for the long comment, but im really fascinated with analysis of burton's work (obviously), as i feel theres so much about him that can be elaborated as a modern sort of "vulgar auteur".
also, my favorite movie of his is corpse bride. not his best one by a long shot, and is clearly inferior to nightmare before christmas, but it really gets to me, yknow.
Maybe younger person would not get that but i think this movie was suppose to be meeting after years and homage to the first part - mostly nostalgic. He is 66 no wonder he changed his mind since he was 20
Favorite Burton film has definitely got to be Batman (89) and I don't think he's going anywhere he will definitely always be a presence in the world of movies
Definitely! Batman is an incredible choice! Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
Burton's Batman is like no other portrayal in any medium of pop culture, that being Comics, Film,Animation, Video Games.
And because of that, it is the worst incarnation of the character, don't get me wrong. I grew up with Batman (1989) & Batman Returns (1992) and still enjoy revisiting them, but Burton is someone that doesn't understand Batman, let alone likes him.
My personal favourite of his Filmography are
Ed Wood (1994) & Big Eyes (2014)
Burton’s remake of Chocolate was closer to the book than the original movie & while not as good as the original was still a good mood movie
saying "no CGI" is a deliberate marketing gimmick by the studios to get free marketing from "[insert movie here] is going all practical FX!" articles. They do use CG but it's meant to be invisible, so "no CGI" is actually just "invisible CGI".
I would probably say Batman and Beetlejuice. But people sem to forget Batman Returns, which I think an excellent film as well, in some ways more Burton-esque than the first one, especially because he had more creative control. If things hadnt soured between him and Warner Brothers because it didnt make as much money (even though it still did well), he had some interesting plans for the third film. Another honorable mention for me is Sweeney Todd. Its definitely an odd one, but I think only Burton could have pulled it off.
I always forget also that he and his muse Helena Bonham-Carter were together for close to 15 years and had two kids together. Their split in 2014 was apparently pretty rough and I think that really affected him for a time.
Maybe Wednesday was what he needed to get his juices flowing again. Perhaps doing something different (TV) gave him perspective and confidence to be good with doing the sequel for Beetlejuice.
Great video as always.
Definitely, some really great film choices! I think his Batman adaptations really complimented his style so well.
Thank you so much I’m glad you enjoyed ☺️
Just want to throw out a correction: I find it very odd to refer to his rendition of Charlie and the Chocolate factory as lacking respect for the source material. I find it especially funny considering the 70s movie was forbidden from using the charlie & the chocolate factory name because it was so far removed from the original that Roald Dahl didn't want them using his name. After his passing, during the production of Burton's film, Dahl's widow gave them permission to use the IPs name because it was so much closer to the source material.
Just find it a little ridiculous to classify the film as disrespectful to its source material, when of the the two notable adaptations, when it was the only one allowed to use the actual name of the property 🤷
I wrote Burton a letter as a kid. Great video
wow! Did he ever reply? Thank you so much I’m glad you enjoyed! ☺️
Reboots/sequels /reimagining's = no creativity + Cultist propaganda, no thank you.
I'll happily just continue my annual Halloween screening of the superb 'Nightmare Before Christmas' and that will suffice, thank you.
You are a kind, sweet creator, your video has a like from me.
Halloween is definitely when Tim burton crawls out of his cave! Thank you so much for your nice words they mean a lot I really appreciate it so much ☺️
I thought Wednesday contradicted what the Addams Family is about. The joke of the Addams family is they are the weird family in a neighborhood of normies. But now there is a whole school of weirdos. It's like they're trying to make Harry Potter, not the Addams Family.
Great work on the video Abbie , I would say his downfall started with Alice in Wonderland but Beetlejuice 2 looks like a step in the right direction . You should make an essay on movies from Paul Verhoeven , tons of great material there .
Thank you so much! I would have to agree with you that’s when I personally started seeing a shift in his work! Like you said Beetlejuice 2 looks really promising.
Great idea with look into it 😊
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the topic I appreciate it
I’m still gonna watch it, the trailer for that “BeetleJuice 2” movie just looks too Fun.
I can’t wait too see what it turns out like!!
@@AbbieRee “Michael Keaton” is most DEFINITELY gonna be the MVP of the Movie. Hands down.
2:36 that’s a Everlasting Gobstopper, not Fizzy Lifting Drink.
Also Tim Burton didn’t direct Nightmare Before Christmas it was Henry Selick who directed Coraline.
Thank you for pointing this out. I was quoting a video when it came to the fizzy lifting drinks but I should have double checked I will definitely double check my sources going forward.
I did know that the nightmare before Christmas was directed by Henry Selick but forgot to mention it in the video, I kept the film in because it was based on burtons poem and burton was a producer on the film.
But thank you for your comment I do appreciate it 😊
He fell off in the late 2000s and shifted to a more main stream director.
Batman Returns, Ed Wood and Beetlejuice are his best films imo. Also enjoy Batman and Sleepy Hollow.
Omg yes! Have always been curious about this topic!! ✨
It definitely is such an interesting one! I couldn’t touch on everything in this video but I’m so glad you enjoyed!! 🥰
@@AbbieRee yeeeess. It was super well made!! 🙌
@@Clark_O_Tron thank you so much! Your too kind 🥰
Great video
Wow thank you so much!☺️
Tim Burton’s movies were a part of my childhood, I always love movies like nightmare before Christmas, corpse bride, beetlejuice, sweeny Tod, sleepy hallows, Edward scissor hands, and frankinweenie I literally loved dark children shows and movies
Tim Burton has made some great films!
Thank you for you’re comment ☺️
Nightmare before Christmas and Edward scirrior hands thx u keep on make good videos ❤
Great choice!! Aw thank you so much that means a lot 🫶
Good video 😊
Thank you so much i'm glad you enjoyed! :)
Charlie returns the gobstopper 😅 Love to you, please watch that film it’s actually pretty good.
@Timburtonofficial The US, why?
@Timburtonofficial That’s sweet but I didn’t make this video. I am mainly just on YT, doing stuff related to Feminism. But I did enjoy this video, I hope you can get in touch with the creator and work something out 👍
Even though Tim Burton isn't a director I really care for, I think his style makes him a really great director because, when you watch his earlier films, you can always tell it's a Tim Burton film, and I feel other directors don't have that. Also great video and my favorite Tim Burton movie is between Batman Returns or Frankenweenie.
He definitely does have a very unique style! Thank you so much for the support I’m glad you enjoyed.
some great picks! ☺️
ive just realised how much older current day Tim Burton looks like Jordan Peterson😂
Tim burton only directed 4 episodes for Wednesday.
You would fit perfect one of Tim Burton classic films tbh😂
Thank you 🥺 really channeling the burton-esque with this one
Story came first in most of his early films, the tone and style were in favor with those stories. It was also way more creative as well. For example the neighborhood in edward scissorshands compared to the gothic mansion. There was alot of contrast between those two styles in alot of his first movies and it gave it a unique look.
such a great point! i do think that over time his films have become more dark and saturated. Thank you for sharing your thoughts :)
Burton had a hell of a run in the 80s and 90s, I will always love Batman 89 even if somethings feel very dated, love Beetlejuice, Mars Attacks is one of the most underrated comedies ever and I'm also a big Sleepy Hollow fan. Burton has had some real misses in the last 20 years, but I liked Frankenweenie and I really enjoyed Miss Peregrine. I never felt like his career took as big of a nosedive as some other big directors from the 80s or 90s.
I agree, I think in the 80s and 90s he was doing something that had not been done before. like you said I don't think that he's not a good director anymore but just the projects he seems to be doing recently don't feel as personal. I'm looking forward to seeing what he does with Beetlejuice 2. Thank you for sharing your thoughts I really appreciate it :)
I feel like he's one of those directors who needs limits to make his best work. Otherwise he loses what makes it relatable to general audiences
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Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was my introduction to Tim Burton
Hey Hey Abbie I'm a new subscriber I'm a huge Tim Burton fan and I definitely agree with a lot of your viewpoints this is an awesome video I'm going to watch more of your videos
5:04
This is something straight out of my nightmares 😭
When I was a child, I would have these dreams in which monsters that looked like dwarves or demon jokers would appear out of closets or hatches or small doors and they would start dancing or laughing and contorting in my home and I was so creeped out 💀
The scariness came from the nonsense of it all, the chaos. They didn't necessarily do anything violent, but just them being there, mocking and gleefully doing subversive stuff creeped me out and shook me to my bones with cringe and fear.
That shot reminds me of that.
Definitely! Like you said the scariness came from the nonsense and unsettling nature of it all! I definitely thought that something was going to pop out under my bed or jump out of my closet as a child 😅
Thank you for taking the time to comment I really appreciate it.
Running your audio through a High-Pass filter (using an EQ to remove low frequencies below around 90Hz) will really help smooth out / remove plosives ('P' and 'B' sounds that create loud pops against the diaphragm of the microphone). No doubt watching back on a phone or laptop these plosives are not noticeable, but if watching with good speakers or headphones these low frequency pops are quite distracting.
I know, and this is the most I've been looking forward to a Tim Burton movie since Sweeney Todd!
I think beetlejuice 2 will be as good as the original. It will be as good as Batman and Batman returns. Michael Keaton is back as beetlejuice, Winona Ryder is back as Lydia deetz, Catherine O’Hara is back as Delia deetz, Willem Dafoe is in it, Danny Devito, Jenna Ortega, etc. Plus Tim Burton is back and there is no cgi. Hopefully it will be a lot better than the flash even though Michael Keaton returning as Batman was the best part of the film even though it went downhill from there after his Batman dies.
I am looking forward to seeing what it’s like!
(i really like your longer videos. thank you :)
Thank you! In the future I’m planning on making them longer to cover each topic a little more deeper! I’m so glad your enjoying them ☺️
his style was so unique and distinctive i loved how dark and edgy it looked
If someone wants to watch a 1 hour long video handling the same topic I very much recommend the video "Tim Burton's World of Sad Boys"
Charlie returns the Everlasting Gobstopper (2:33), not the fizzy lemonade
I completely do not agree with anything you said in this video. His last good movie was 1994‘s Ed Wood. There is a clear delineation between Ed Wood and Mars Attacks, where he started using CGI and punched up garbage scripts.
Tim Burton has often said that he can’t tell the difference between a good and a bad script. Burton was in a perfect position to have people curating scripts for him. Any good, quirky script, that the studio was not willing to throw massive amounts of money at, would go across his desk. Plus, there was a very specific type of writing that was going on in the late 80s early 90s, that was abandoned by the mid 90s by studios. Think of Films like Raising Arizona, The Fisher King, and Joe Versus The Volcano. Call it, modern fantasy, or magical realism, slapstick, or postmodern meta fiction. They were a type of narrative maximalism that went out of style. I think he thrived in this sandbox: his style met perfectly with writers at the time.
Go watch Mars Attacks and see how much of a mess it was. The script is terrible; it just feels like a blockbuster script with extra parts.
Then with Sleepy Hollow there is not enough to the script to make it interesting. Sure, the sets are beautiful and the editing is pretty good, but who cares when you have a script that could have been done by anyone? It reminds me of Wild Wild West and Lost in Space: Lazy Scripts that don’t understand that spectacle alone does not make a movie. Sure, Sleepy Hollow is way better than my examples; Burton Heightened every other aesthetic element of the film to compensate for a lack of depth in the script.
After Sleepy Hollow, his films get really bad. Like, really really bad. He is a shell of a man at this point. There are flashes of Greatness in films such as Big Fish and Big Eyes, which is his best film Since Sleepy Hollow. However, most of it is lazy. His directing is akin to bored George Lucas, sitting in a chair, wanting to go home.
There was a time in the Early 90s when the name Burton evoked a elevated quality on the Same level as The Coen Brothers or David Lynch. I think film history will not look so kindly. Much like Bela Lugosi, he has diluted his reputation to the point that his name is no longer a draw.
It’s so nice that CGI and practical FX are competing like this again! I hope this is true and it’s part of a new trend.
Burton lost his edge because he’s not taking risks or embracing HORROR.
His relationship with Disney made him more IP-orientated, which ignores “the outsider” or “misfit” facets of his style that made us love him in the first place. Wish he would team up with Ardman Animation and do another old school feature about MONSTERS again.🎃
Nice video and opinion.
Definitely! Would love to see more films using more practical FX! Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts and support, I’m glad you enjoyed ☺️
that wonka bit was REAL, always felt that way...
My favorite Tim Burton movie is Batman. btw I love everything about Wednesday and Jenna Ortega. I'm also excited for Beatlejuice 2 for more Winona Ryder goodness.
We will not be young forever, you go up then down, but nobody can deny your trajectory and good stuff you provided, appreciate art for what it is not for what u expect
In my eyes he's been falling for quite some time now, and that happened right after Ed Wood (1994). His best movie in my opinion.
He returned the everlasting gobstopper not the fizzy pop.
I really like the movie Sleepy Hollow, the only problem with it was all the flashbacks. They were so unnecessary. Why does he put so many flashbacks in his movies?
😆 I’m not sure, interesting point.
I think the real watershed in Tim Burton's career is Sweeney Todd, which is my favourite film of his. Before that you can count a lot of great movies, the most of them close to masterpieces; after Sweeney there are only a few of good or "ok" films but nothing really exceptional, in my opinion.
Why is that? We'll never know, I guess.
Whilst his visual is still very strong, the storytelling seems to be not passionate and involving as it was early on.
I personally think with Sweeney he threw his heart in a story which seemed written for him (as many of you know, it is not an original story), where the visual, the atmosphere, the facts of the story allowed him to fit perfectly.
That film absorbed the last drop of his "creative strenght" (keep in mind that is his first musical, which is a very tough genre itself to realize) to the point that today there's nothing really that powerful for him to be involved that way again; and the consequence is him focusing on the visual aspect rather then the storytelling.
And the age might be another factor too: when you're in your 60s, your creativity is very different than it was in your 20s or 30s, of course; he was a boy back then, now is a grown man approaching his 70s.
This was awesoke
I’m glad you enjoyed! 😊
Tim Burton is so much style. Substance lacks.
Interesting point, when his style complements the story it can work really well.
Thank you for Sharing your thoughts I appreciate it 😊
I think he probably started to change after the failures of Ed Wood, Mars Attacks, and Planet of the Apes. I know he really wanted to tell the story of Ed Wood and that the cards that Mars Attacks were based off of were things that mattered to him in his childhood/personal taste. He also was a big fan of the original POTA movies. But instead of being accepted for being different, those movies weren’t really successful so maybe that’s why he started to cater to the audiences and big studios more to get back into their good graces, but that also meant he started churning out less inspired and more artificial films with a few genuinely good gems sprinkled in (Big Fish, Corpse Bride, Big Eyes). And although many of them did normally make money, lately he’s started to flop more than he did in the early to mid 2000s. Like his 2010s run withe the exception of Alice in Wonderland were mostly flops. With Wednesday, he finally seems to be making studios, audiences, and critics mostly happy again, so I hope this lasts but I’m really worried about Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice. That concept was in production hell for a very long time, and it can fall into a trap of being mid that a lot of legacy sequels fall into. The last time a Michael Keaton Burton character was resuscitated was for the Flash, which was not only not good but also a huge financial disappointment.
Didn't think a small pic of a sleeping rabbit would make my day 🥰
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Ed Wood is my no.1 Tim Burton.
Frank Weenie....
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