(apologies in advance, I didn't realize how long this rant would be until I finished it) Its almost baffling to me how much celebrities are expected to always show off their best side. Almost as if they are more than human. Any normal person can have a bad day but celebrities need to be on their a-game anytime they step into public. I think its generally a bit worse with American actors than British actors, but I also feel like that is because the American media and populace glamorizes their idols a lot more than us "across the pond" folks (we still do our fair share as well though), hence they are expected to be perfect, or at least perceived as such. I definitely prefer when celebs come across as authentic and are allowed to be honest and speak their mind. Personally, I resonate a lot more with the less media trained and rough around the edges personalities, as they just come across as more genuine. The danger therein is that much like being "strong-minded", being "authentic" can become a brand, and can just as easily be faked. Likable and down to earth celebs are very easily marketable after all. With how much Disney has been known to drill their kid actors, its no wonder some of them will at some point in their life experience some kind of identity crisis. I can't off the top of my head think of too many good examples, but I think the best one I can currently think of has to be Miley Cyrus in her "Wrecking ball" era. Its was like she was trying to show the entire world that she wasn't the cute little kid anymore. Fabricated authenticity might also be the reason why some people can so rather shockingly show their true colours when all this time they had been perceived as the "good guy" (like Blake Lively in that interview). AAAAnyways... I drifted a bit off course but in the end I have never been one to form parasocial relationships in the first place, so I guess I don't care that much for how people present themselves outside of their work. I'm usually a big supporter of "separating the art from the artist" so that sometimes when a celebrity turns out to be an a-hole, I can still look back at their earlier work and appreciate it. It can be very difficult to separate the two, especially when politics are involved in both the art and the artist. But I try my best. (p.s.) to answer the question of the comments: Best PR trophy has got to go to Keanu Reeves. I feel like he is universally loved and has even been seen in daily commute giving up his subway seat to some older woman. He's a champ.
I honestly couldn’t have said it better! I hope you don’t mind if I pin your comment! I agree I find it so refreshing when a celebrity speaks as though they are a human and comes across as relatable, the comparison to British celebrities is something that I haven’t thought of before but is very true. The relationship we have with our celebrities and they have with us comes across with more banter and like friend next door vibes not to say that it’s the same for everyone but just an observation like you said. I can’t express how many things you touched on that I feel the same way, but I really appreciate you taking the time to write your thoughts it truly means a lot! Keanu reeves seems like the kindest person on the planet!
@@AbbieRee I don't mind at all, its an honor. I feel like you usually pick great topics to invoke thought and discussion, so I love sharing my two cents in the comment section. Here's to seeing your channel grow 🙌
Unlike so much of the interwebz, I like to read long posts if they're cogent and well written :-) - as yours is. Even as social media has opened everyone, not just celebrities, up to insane, never-before-possible levels of intimate scrutiny, I'm glad that the stance of "if you're a celebrity, everyone is entitled to have access to every detail of your personal life because it's part of the job" doesn't really fly anymore. What DOES fly, unfortunately, is ripping people apart when we think they've behaved badly. So if a celebrity, or any public figure, doesn't show their best side at all times, they all too easily make themselves a very visible target. And I think you hit upon something when you mentioned "fabricated authenticity"; it dovetails with Abbie's point that, often, it does in fact come down to someone's (true) personality coming through. I don't doubt for a minute that Blake Lively knows better than to act how she did toward Kjersti Flaa in that interview with Parker Posey, and that she made a deliberate choice there to be a "mean girl" and to shut Flaa out. THAT was authentic behavior, and that's why it made such an impact when people saw it. Whether someone's a celebrity or not, it's not easy to mask genuine emotions. I will say, though, that for as much as we in America still do, as you said, glamorize our celebrities, there's been an ever-growing backlash against entitlement for some time now, and any celebrity that steps too close to that line (or ignores the line altogether) is pretty much fair game. We raise them up but don't shed a tear tearing them down. I think there's something very wrong in that, but that's a topic for another day.🙂
i always found it gross how people demand "media training" whenever a woman speaks her mind or shows her personality. There's people out there that are actual predators and don't get half the shit these young women do.
No, it's not a women thing, it's when PEOPLE are assholes to the people who put the money they have in their pockets. My fault we call that shit out ig
Oh interesting points! I think their “authenticity” is what makes people so drawn to them and makes them who they are, as it comes across as a breath of fresh air. thank you for sharing your thoughts I really appreciate it ☺️
But does that include canceling show events just before she's meant to appear? You can correct me if I'm wrong, but I've heard this was done twice and it doesn't sound very artistically professional
I understand that, but sometimes these people have to choose better wording and recognize who they’re in front of. I was so turned off by Chappelle when on a late night show she said something about “twinks” when the host brought up something about Google searching her. It was so cringe and not to mention the audience was probably old ass people. I get that there are people who purposely say shocking things or act that way, or not even shocking, just deviating from the norm, but there are ways to make those moments less cringe.
My mother has worked in PR in the political space and private sector and what I’ve learned from her is that good PR is really just being a good person. The reason a lot of celebrities hire publicists, beyond the very practical reasons for needing one in a professional sense, is because they aren’t good people or they don’t have good social skills so they need someone else to tell them how a normal person would speak and behave. The difference between Chappell Roan and Blake Lively is that Chappell may not be media trained and doesn’t really know how to navigate her new life as a pop star, but she does have a great personality so those who love her love that about her. Blake Lively, who most certainly has received media training, is purposely trying to act quirky to come off as down to earth and likable, but no matter how hard she tries, it doesn’t work because she isn’t actually down to earth and we don’t like her personality. At the end of the day, artists should be able to make their art without having to compete for Miss Congeniality. When I think of artists like Amy Winehouse, Nina Simone, Faye Dunaway, or some of my other favorite artists, they struggled to deal with the industry, struggled in their real lives, and could be difficult to be around. I don’t really care because they make wonderful art and they aren’t necessarily hurting other people. In a place like Hollywood where a lot of people aren’t real artists and their only talent is being conventionally attractive and likable for the sake of drawing in ticket sales, the publicist creates a persona to market to audiences who may buy the product they’re selling and pass it off as artwork. It’s the art of advertising vs. real artists who just happen to be famous for making good art. I hope that makes any sense lol 😂❤
I agree with many of your points. At the same time, I think there are many sides to a matter. For example, yes, good PR because of being a good person. But, there are so many discourses, not just from the (malicious) media(play) but also online platforms and social media, almost anyone and everyone can express their opinions publicly - and if met with the right group of people who share that same view or controversial enough (rage-baiting nowadays), it will blow up. This follows closely in line with your example of Amy Winehouse. I believe, she was a genuinely a good person. But the media truly had her torn apart! There are good people who are not good at communicating, are easily misunderstood, and can't control what people make them out to be. I think, if they have good PR teams, they can definitely avoid unnecessary negativities and continue carrying on with their pursues. Hope this adds on to your comment. Thanks for sharing!
in this logic, disney child stars, literal minors, who are deeply coached by media training, are not... good people? what? media training is not about black and white morality, "good versus bad", it's about what personal brand each celeb wants, or in their case, what personal brand DISNEY wants out their stars.
@@hata3128yes I was going to say the same. There are good people who aren't good with communication. Some people are autistic or have ADHD and people who arent (not everyone but a lot) see our communication skills as a problem (no matter how hard we mask to fit in) and then they think we are a bad person.
Honestly, Chappell Roan's case sounds like she's used to being the unknown starving artist, so the strategy there is to say yes to anything because you never know when the next gig will come. It sounds like, with her newfound fame, she continued using the strategy of "say yes to everything" even when it's not physically or psychologically possible, so she would've needed a publicist to help differentiate and tell her "honey, no, you are going to burn out and explode if you try to do all of that!"
I didn’t touch on that in the video but I would agree, I didn’t realise it until I was making the thumbnail when it popped out to me how many more woman are labelled at having “bad media training” than men. Thank you for pointing this out and sharing your thoughts ☺️
I came to the comments to talk the same thing, but you said it best, it's very noticeable and also a topic that needs to be chatted more. Anyway I found the video very well done and leaves several things to reflect on.
Honestly the only reason why I personally only focus on the women, though I do note some men as having crass attitudes, is because I like to identify with them. It's not even a secret that women are a bulk of the consumers of a lot of media. Like we're the target for literally everything.
@@Royalty_girliethat being said shouldn't we try to give the ladies with all the pressure and scrutiny and media eyes on them a little more grace and less their way out of line I mean damn they're people that we don't even some people feel entitled to judge them off a few minute clip where we didn't even know what their mental state was when they were doing that interview what they had to deal with before they did that interview it's kind of annoying not you in particular just society stigma about it
Of course everyone is saying: “These celebrities nowadays don’t have personalities, they’re like robots.” *A celebrity shows their personality* “Oh no, not like that. Because I have to like it, they need media training.”
The main problem with Chappell Roan is that people with emotional intelligence actually understand what she has been trying to say but her word choice offended people who are more defensive and misunderstood her responses as personal attacks. From an objective standpoint, it would be beneficial to have media training so fans don’t misinterpret her message especially since she is a popular figure. But from a subjective standpoint she has every right to not care about these more defensive fans like what Doja Cat did
Remember when young stars were all ‘media trained’ to grin through older interviewers making weird comments about their bodies, love lives and choices? Yeah, I prefer this.
crazy to not include the factor of gender and race into this conversation as they are truly the backbone to the mob. when we talk about bad media training everyone is quick to point out women because society holds women to higher standards (and woc to an even crazier one). ModernGurlz made an excellent video going through this topic and analyzing the process. Cause it truly is not just personality. it actually frequently isn't. it is women not fitting the widely accepted narrow box of acceptable womanhood.
Thank you I literally just commented something about this and people who make videos like this I kind of just don't get it but sure let's keep judging people we don't know to be the perception of them that we want them to be
@@katierasburn9571 especially wild that people got mad at her for saying that when that pap said it to her first like are women not supposed to stand up for themselves when their being disrespected?
This is such an important video!! So much shit was given to Charithra Chandran who played Edwina on Bridgerton because she was enthusiastic about her Bridgerton role and everyone was like " she needs media training". A lot of fans just expect woc and women in general to be these meek things that are always pleasant without a personality smh
It makes me sad when people are mean to Charithra because she genuinely seems so sweet and down to earth! Of course we don’t really know these celebs but she does seem so so genuine and kind.
This makes me think of how the media treated Millie Bobby Brown when she was little, after S1 of Stranger Things! I believe she spoke about it on an episode of the Guilty Feminist, and the disparity between how the media perceived the enthusiasm of the Stranger Things boys, versus how they perceived hers... She was considered obnoxious and self centred because sometimes she would interrupt the boys (in the same way that they interrupted each other, like normal kids do, may I add!). She spoke about how it impacted her, and she said that she stopped speaking so much in the group interviews because of what was being written about her 😢
this reminds me of Saoirse Ronan, I've been a fan for a long time and look up her interviews, she's always so calm and articulate, and can be honestly really funy sometimes
I think the main reason why Timothee Chalamet is a people person is because he went to college in a normal fashion as any students coming in to class without having to carry his celebrity entitlements and fame. He was just treated normal like a casual New Yorker, and doing his thing.
The Rachel Zegler controversy seems ridiculous to me because Emma Watson (live action Belle) and Naomi Scott (live action Jasmine) said very similar things when promoting their respective movies. This is basically the Disney strategy for promoting the live action princess movies - justify its existence by claiming to have “modernized” the heroine. If people don’t like this strategy, blame Disney and NOT Zegler who is just following the same playbook as all her predecessors.
I don’t know about Naomi Campbell, but Emma Watson did get hate for saying she didn’t want her Belle in a corset because it wasn’t feminist (it didn’t fit Emma’s personal taste basically). Which was fair criticism (hate unwarranted even if I think she was a bad Belle) because the corset is part of proper costuming for the time period and character. Halle Bailey got hate for saying that this movie makes it more clear that Ariel’s motives aren’t solely based around Eric and shows a better romance. She never said the original didn’t show it but a lot of people argue that Ariel gave up her tail and voice for a man when the land had always been her dream. This is a pattern amongst the women leads in these movies, they can’t say anything (right or wrong) without receiving mass hate for it.
i think with chappell roan, being an unapologetically queer person who speaks her mind, brings a lot of lgbtq+ people together. it’s who i personally want as an artist. she’s a drag artist and a musician, who has mainstream media attention in a short amount of time.
@@zztopz7090 As far as I know she's a lesbian. Queer is sort of an umbrella term for the LGBT+ community, although different people use the word differently, and drag is a bit harder to explain. Here's the definition I found on google, but there's a lot of history behind it that make it more complicated: "Drag is a performance of exaggerated femininity, masculinity, or other forms of gender expression, usually for entertainment purposes. Drag usually involves cross-dressing. A drag queen is someone who performs femininely and a drag king is someone who performs masculinely"
The Rachel Zegler controversy got really too far I totally agree. I'm pretty sure she said those things intentionally in those interviews (and maybe was suggested by her PR team, who knows), as a little bad buzz is always generating more views. The lines are so blurred now between social media and traditional media too, I guess it doesn't help. Probably the best PR today for actors is to stay on the quiet side in term of social media.
Yes! Really interesting points you make, the lines do seem to blur as if any attention even negative is used as a marketing technique. Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts I appreciate it !
Yes what she said wasn't the end of the world, it's hypocritical but there are celebrities that have done way worse than saying "I don't like snow white" and still have an established career. People still despise her because of that interview and that's ridiculous
@@nenokedoken885 There were a few other things that she said (especially HOW she said them) and texted. It is her disrespectful nature towards other cultures and people that others find very inappropriate.
@@cora.ann.s what exactly did she says that was disrespectful towards other culture? Guenenly asking cause I only know about the snow white controversy that is for me quite ridiculous to say the least
I feel like Austin Butler, who became an overnight sensation after years of small roles due to his starring role in Elvis, has been doing pretty well. He definitely comes off as being on the careful side, which seems to come from an awkward and shy nature. His love for the craft and humility do shine through in interviews and he appears to be genuinely nice and thoughtful. Anyone who is passionnate about their art I can get behind.
i’ve also started to become really wary of calling myself a fan of celebrities these days. that being said, when he was first coming up in the industry i think timothee chalamet was really fun for me to watch. his actors on actors interviews were really interesting and you could tell he was genuinely curious about refining his craft and learning about the other person. right now, i think i’d say zendaya and jenna ortega are some of my favorite people to watch do interviews. they’re both well-spoken and just have such an ease about them :)
I would rather Celebs be authentic than not. Also as someone with Autism and Agoraphobia, speaking to someone who you don’t know in general is a nightmare.
I completely understand, I'm also autistic and I've got generalized anxiety disorder, so I don't leave the house much (only, like, 4 times a year or so) and rarely speak to strangers face-to-face. 🥺
That’s interesting because as someone who has autism as well, I don’t have a problem talking to people I don’t know…I just really respect people and try to be nice to anyone I see…I wouldn’t really want to come off as weird or rude…but I guess people who are on the spectrum are different from interaction. I also know what it’s like to be parasocial considering growing up I had 0 friends to talk to the point I was very su3dal, but I could understand Chappel is coming from.
Honestly, Chappell Roan's case sounds like she's used to being the unknown starving artist, so the strategy there is to say yes to anything because you never know when the next gig will come. It sounds like, with her newfound fame, she continued using the strategy of "say yes to everything" even when it's not physically or psychologically possible, so she would've needed a publicist to help differentiate and tell her "honey, no, you are going to burn out and explode if you try to do all of that!"
Great observation I definitely agree, I can’t start to imagine how overwhelming this all must feel to her. Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts I really appreciate it ☺️
I think there will be a big backlash against celebrities and influencers. Sure some of them are genuinely nice but a lot of them also live in a bubble which is why you hear so many of them saying tone deaf things. The gap between the rich and the poor is so much more visible these days as well.
Ive always been so impressed by Tom Hisdleston! I agree that it must also be a lot of his personality because you can see it shining through in interviews and such, but he is good at keeping a good relation to the public.
Yup. Also goes to show that someone who puts on a good face for the media while holding atrocious beliefs gets less hate than a morally decent person who said a few offhanded remarks.
@@onyx_mango I’m trying to distance myself from celeb culture as a whole, but I do tend to have a soft spot for women celebs like Brie Larson or Rachel Ziegler who say all the wrong things on camera. Shows that they’re not trying to put on a front. But maybe that’s just my bias with having lots of art kid friends and being one myself,
@@alyssapinon9670 fr, why are people acting like Rachel having a couple of bad takes which literally every almost every actor whose worked on a live action including Gal Gadot (I don't know why people conveniently forget she was saying the same shit) and was likely only saying because Disney's PR told her too is worse than supporting a literal genocide and serving in the actual IDF having innocent people's blood on your hands
When it comes to media training I always remember that one interview with James Cordon and Nick Jonas where he full on displayed how he would have answered a question during his Disney days 😅
12:41 for me the problem is mostly that this 'strong female character' trope is not rlly feminist imo. Its just hollywood feminism. It promotes the idea that women can only be 'powerful' and 'strong' if they adapt traditionally masculine character traits or occupy traditionally masculine roles. Ofc there's nothing wrong with a woman or female character being like that but it promotes the idea that there IS something wrong with a woman who IS traditionally feminine. Snow White upholds a lot of traditionally feminine virtues and instead of lifting those up and showing a woman that can be powerful BECAUSE she's feminine, it just labels those virtues as outdated. And at that point the question becomes; if so many of the original values are outdated to the point that you completely rewrite the story, is it even worth adapting? just write a new story then
I think it's funny how the epidemic of the Strong Female Character started in the name of representation when all they've done is give us one single type of woman over and over again.
Jenna Ortega's has had media training and it stick well with her. It's even better that she's originally humble, sweet, and kind. She spoke really well for being so young, but rambled a lot sometimes (and that's when people often misunderstood what she said and attacked her). I hope people do realize that media training is important, but also realizing there are some other things other than media training that still can cause an image of a person to be trashed in so many ways.
Given how much money is on the line for movies and how so many people behind the scenes are dependent for their livelihoods, a little media coaching might be in order…so that actors and actresses do not commit too much controversy where it depresses the potential audience when it comes to the movies they wanna promote.
Yeah, I mean, it still is a job at the and of the day, if we just went on a rant saying whatever we wanted at our job, I'm pretty sure we would not be getting a lot of sympathy. Also, some things are just basic common sense that celebrities so often seems to forget
tbh the book blake’s movie is based on handles DV awfully, and isn’t really marketed as serious, more along the spicy sexy vibes so tbh i think she was just treating the topic accordingly, not super appropriate but still in line
Yeah. Anyone who has heard of Colleen Hoover already knew that turning one of her novels into a movie was a bad idea from the start. I personally think not everyone knows about problematic authors so the whole It Ends with Us thing flew over a lot of people's heads.
I don't understand how civility is being used as an antonym for authenticity by some people. Those are two separate concepts. It is personally in my nature to want to get along with people - that doesn't mean changing my views, that doesn't mean always agreeing or holding my tongue. It means I can understand that some issues that aren't worth the emotional energy to get upset over, and I don't need to inflict my every little bit of baggage on bystanders when I know they likely didn't mean to poke that topic. I think a lot of celebrities (all genders and ages) have led very insular lives centered around their desires, and because of this, they sometimes do not understand how to have basic empathy for even minor things, like conversational flow or the duties of other professions or the people they're portraying in their movies, and their self-centeredness blasts through whatever minor effect media training (which is basically "how to keep steering the conversation away from controversy to the thing you're promoting and small talk 101") could have. So sure, they are authentic, but are they likeable? Haha....
Rachel zegler did not deserve death threats. Also i feel like the only public figures who actually care about public perception these days are K-pop idols. I think theyre on tighter confines on what they can do and say, and their personas are easily molded and shaped by their labels to maximize profit. But , that extreme being on the opposite end of the spectrum of how western figures portray themselves, id imagine it’d be more jarring for Kpop fans when their idols do something out of line.
Blake Lively is marketing the movie EXACTLY the way colleen Hoover marketed the book. And both of them tried to make money off extra branding Colleen did the same thing with the book with clothes and a coloring book based on the book which she rightly got flack for but I just don’t find it surprising that Blake is marketing it the same was Colleen did. I don’t think it’s the right thing to do at all but she was following the author’s example. I refuse to support either the movie or the book because of responses from DV survivors to the book and how Colleen handled the criticism. I also hate how it’s turned into Justin vs Blake and Justin turned into this hero when he hired the PR team that used DARVO in the world’s most famous DV case. Talking the talk but not walking the walk. Also of all books to speak to you on the issue you champion one of the most problematic? Neither of these people are good for this community clearly.
miley Cyrus has a pretty good pr nowadays!! The interview about her father really showed that. Btw, love the eye make up !! It looks really good on you !
I do feel the Rachel Zegler bashing went too far and got totally out of hands. She was called ugly and not-talented while she is neither of these things, being perfectly cute, likable and a good singer and actor as Maria for one example. People just don't see that the studios/production companies like Disney or Amazon push their agenda, put the poor actors out there with directions how to advertise the movie/show and when that backfires with the public/viewers they stay silent and wait it out leaving the respective actors out there in the rain. I feel very very sorry for Rachel Zegler. Like someone here said, Aladdin and Beauty and the Beast were marketed similarly. I have however no sympathy or anything for Blake Lively.
MMA media training is interesting too. A lot of fighters are so bad at selling themselves that the UFC stops pushing them whereas charismatic fighters get a huge push because they are good at social media.
I personally really like when celebrities are just honest and being themselves. I honestly really despised celebrity culture when I was younger but in this new age where it's more common for celebrities to show their personalities and share their opinions it makes me way more interested in pop culture. I think it's a really good indicator of where we are as a society, and also nice for celebrities to be recognized as humans lol. Also feel like I should mention that I have been a huge Chappell Roan fan for like a couple years and the attitude she is bringing to the pop scene is so refreshing. Celebrities shouldn't have to be mindless glamour drones, because they aren't, and I'm glad that this issue is being drawn to the attention of a wider audience. I also totally agree lol if ur a shitty person media training will not save you. Congratulating the lady interviewing you on her "baby bump" (Blake Lively didn't know this but that interviewer is infertile ((and even if she wasn't it would still be rude )) is DIABOLICAL💀
the editing in this vid was SO GOOD! i also loved the most innocuous "rant" in the history of the internet lol i honestly dont know who has good pr or not but rebecca ferguson and simon pegg's interviews for last years' mission impossible were really funny and personable - like they just seemed like two old friends who were lighthearted and cool with the interviewers, but maybe that's just because they're older idk
Thank you so much Your too kind 🫶 Oh great thoughts I haven’t watched too many of there interviews I will have to go check them out! Thank you so much for taking the time to comment it means a lot to me ☺️
In regards to Rachel Zegler, I did not have a problem with her being cast as Snow White at all. To be honest, she could shit on the original source material all she wants. I didn't care at the time, and I don't care now. What I do have a problem with however, was the way in which she treated her co-star, the Prince. Boasting about him getting less scenes due to his role, I find to be very disrespectful, as an actor he was trying to work his ass off to get that role. While that doesn't necessarily mean I know the actor personally, but to say something like that in an interview is not on. As actors I believe we need to build each other up and make everyone feel represented, but the way Zegler delivered this so smugly really set off alarm bells for me. I still loved her performance in the West Side Story remake, and as said before I don't know everything about Zegler, but that one comment really rubbed me the wrong way if I'm completely honest.
Thank you for saying this. I had the same reaction towards her. Don’t hate her but cringed a bit at the treatment of her costar. It was rude but not worthy of the backlash she got. But then again young WOC (especially those who aren’t super white passing) get held to a much higher standard than white male counterparts. I can never voice this opinion without starting a war with the vehement Rachel haters and defenders. You can be critical of someone’s behavior without sending disproportionate hate. Never saw Westside story, but I think Rachel’s natural unfiltered theater kid energy worked out perfectly for her role as Lucy Gray in TBOSBAS
that's not what she said. she was trying to be vague about the prince's character for spoiler reasons and joked that, since the film was so far from release, maybe all his scenes would get cut and they would never know. never was she like "haha he has less than me" what lol
@nate-it9xq ffs yes. She was like, "haha, at some point hollywood could cut of his scenes? Cuz it's all about Snow white and snow white only" like HOW spidermans romantic partners have no important or significance other than being his love interest bc spiderman is the most important character! Edit: not towards u the ffs! 😂 just my frustration at people angry at this.
Media training helps but you need to be authentic with a great & lovable personality! Being kind & nice to people will help make more people support you!
Look, talking to people and doing interviews is a job. If you want the authentic answer: a lot of these celebrities would rather skip the press release part and just focus on acting and/or creating music, because doing a press release requires a lot of emotional labor. Most people would find that notion "rude" and probably hate the idea that the "bad boy" or "super polite actor" is just putting up a customer service front to sell the product, but that's what it is. Yes, they get paid more to do this form of customer service than regular customer service jobs, but it's still an adjacent emotional labor
I don't view media training as losing authenticity. i view it as being able to speak professionally and just overall better articulate your words. some people cannot get the point across well and they get backlash for it. i 100% feel you can have media training and stay authentic.
You don’t need media training if youre a good person. Kelly Clarkson didn’t get any of that cause she’s actually a good person. That’s literally the only difference. The bad PR nightmares are just not good people and that’s why they get canceled.
I wouldn't say that they all are bad people but some of them are just stubborn and out of touch. Rachel Zegler is an incredibly talented young girl with many incredible main roles other actors would die for but she's out there making tik toks of herself crying and replying to haters on twitter or ranting. It's just not good for her career. (Or anyone's) same with Chapell Roan Being chronically on twitter or tik tok when you're a public figure always ends up badly
Not really, sometimes the people that are going after them are the bad ones who are just doing it because they love bullying. Anybody that doesn't fit into the perfect mold will get bullied. That is all.
This is such a great video! I completely agree that eventually a person's true colors will shine through no matter how much media training they've had. If you haven't already, I would highly recommend looking into the media training of KPOP idols and Kdrama actors. As I've watched and followed the K-entertainment space more, it's clear that the pressure they're under could actually be more than those of American celebrities. It might be because Asian countries in my opinion are usually more "conservative" and really adhere to societal norms or could also be caused by other factors. Anyways, great video & hope ur channel gets to grow more!
Ah thank you so much for the support i’m glad you enjoyed! Oh great thought, it definitely is an interesting topic i will have to do some more research on it and possibly make a video exploring it a bit more! Thank you so much for taking the time to comment it truly means a lot 🫶
These tips are genuinely so helpful. I have a good amount of unprocessed trauma and recently lost someone very close to me, so the emotions I’ve been experiencing are intense and can be overwhelming at times. I appreciate the explanation and how to get past this
From what I remember the main problem with the Miley Cyrus photo was the fact that she was 16 at the time. It was basically sexualising a child. It sounds like Disney were just trying to make sure the public knows this was Miley’s idea not theirs, so the whole world doesn’t think they’re pimping out their child stars
this whole blake lively thing made me realise how easy it is for people to switch sides like not even 3 months ago everyone loved blake. She does deserve the hate shes getting though
True, it is honestly so crazy how quickly people do a full 180, but I agree the way she has handled pr and interviews isn’t great. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the topic it means a lot ☺️
@@AbbieRee I mean, seems like it WASN'T easy, because it took this long for people to re-evaluate who she is. Lots of stuff was out there showing that she wasn't a good person for years and so many people didn't pay attention until it finally reached a boiling point.
i feel like the whole rachel zegler was something i never understood why ppl were upset or shared their anger to her. I personally, in my opinion, i say she didn't deserve the hate. she just spoke from her opinion, her own thoughts and what she knows based on the project she was working on. most actors dont have control on what happens in the project unless they are the directors or executive producers. if ppl were upset over another live action, then don't go to the actors bc they have nothing to do with it. they are simply part of it and doing their part lol. also, she received hate before snow white, when she did west side story. with best pr i agree with many like zendaya, keanu, ryan gosling, maybe pedro pascal and or oscar isaac?? i think so lol
I also never understood why she got so much hate, I don't even think she was just sharing her opinion (maybe she was, I don't know) because she was just saying the same things every actress that's played a princess in the remakes has been saying for years. I'm sure that if the clip of Emma Watson saying how important was that the new Belle invented a washing machine was played a million times, she would also be percived rude and disrespectful.
I really don't mind her opinion on Snow White but just because she wasn't a girl boss doesn't mean that she isn't someone to be aspired to. For example, I don't really like Snow White but at the end of the day she teaches little girls a lot of things. Same as Cinderella. I do think that most of the criticism is the fact that just because a woman doesn't want to go, go, go, it doesn't mean that a kind humble woman isn't also an important face of feminism. Also, Disney.
Also it's weird that women are "ungrateful" if they don't like the role they're playing, everyone was giving her shit for not liking a poorly made snow white, but when Oscar Isaac despises his role is Star Wars he only gets praise for being "based"
Hi babe, I just came across this video yesterday. I think it's really well done in terms of what it covers and it's nice that you have a pleasing tone to listen to. I don't know whether it's maybe because you studied to do media (like to be a radio host etc.) but for some reason for a lot of videos like these that try to cover topics, I'm interested in the subjects but the voices talking about them or/and their cadence can be pretty straining to listen to. Feel like its an important area people overlook, perhaps. Anyway, great job! =)
Wow thank you so much I don’t know what to say! You’re so kind I’m glad you enjoyed, I honestly love making videos so much! This means a lot to me thank you again ☺️
zendaya truly has some of the best pr i can think of that girl is seen as a angel who at the same time can speak her mind in a eloquent and respectful and still honest way. maybe bc i’ve looked up to her for so long but i truly think she has some of the best. honorable mention can be beyonce tbh that woman stays silent about everything and it always works😭 but also her “ Controversies” are more theory’s about her rather than something she actually did (her or today not in the beginning of her career i don’t know enough to reference that). somebody who i want to have better PR is my girl ariana grande why does she keep getting shredded to pieces by the internet and stuff just gets so intensely dragged out thank god she is still doing what she’s doing and we get to see her art
They literally changed the ENTIRE plot of Snow White. It’s literally about HER BEING SAVED BY A PRINCE .. THAT IS the story, so it wouldn’t be a remake if they changed it.
The prince is BARELY IN THE MOVIE. He only shows up in two scenes - their first meeting (they don't even have a full conversation) and the ending where he kisses her to wake her up. This isn't Waiting for Godot where the whole point is the characters waiting for someone to show up. She just wants a prince to come and then movies on trying to survive. The romance is not fleshed out compared to something like Tangled or Princess and the Frog
Disney is to blame when it comes to Rachel Ziegler. They absolutely told her to say all those things. You can see gal gadot co-signs everything she says, repeats it. That was entirely Disney’s idea.
I agree 100% with everything you said. The pressure of having media training and scrutiny on celebrities is going out of control, I also feel that this is specially targeted to women as we have seen with Blake Lively, Rachel Zegler and previously with Brie Larson.
I agree, I couldn’t image being so controlled. Like you said we do see the “not media trained” statement targeting woman a lot more than men. Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts I really appreciate it ☺️
I'd actually like to get media training at some point as I am doing more appearances and stuff. I'm not really worried about myself, but it couldn't hurt.
I like your style of presentation, I have to admit I only new like one person you talked about in this video which is evidence of what a good video maker you are cuz I still watched the whole thing.
Money aside it must be absolutely miserable being famous, having to pretend to be someone other than yourself at all times for the sake of maintaining a brand must be exhausting. I'm glad I'm not famous, I'd be a human disaster. In answer to the question at the end I think Tom Cruise has really great PR these days (not so much in the early 2000's). We all know he's a strange fella, we all know he's into a lot of wacky stuff, but when he's doing interviews these days he's very charismatic and charming and speaks with a lot of passion about all of his projects and he's generally very polite. He's trying to sell a movie and I think he's been trained to do so very well. You'd think he was normal if you based your opinions off him when he's out promoting his films.
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Artists are people. We already have enough social pressure to be a certain way to fit in. We don't need media training. Focus on the work, not how fake they can be.
I think the biggest thing with Rachel Zegler is that she isn’t in line with the branding Disney goes with when she says those things. If she only mentioned the positives like “Snow White is a strong individual because ……” but the issue is that she actively drags Disneys past creations that are beloved in their original forms in order to elevate this new one and that is not a great look for them. Which like they deserve but I get how frustrating that would be for the people involved who are affected by the things she says.
The blake lively situation is insane so she was mean to someone once why is the entire nation losing it chill out sometimes we are in bad mood and come off toxic to people around us
Ikr? I just stayed away from that whole mess. She has had so many great interviews in the past decade that show she is a good and caring person but people were really ready to hate on her that they decided to go looking for a couple of old clips from her teenage days to use against her all because they didn't like how she promoted a movie which they didn't even wanna watch in the first place... SMH.🤦🏽♀️
I think Sabrina Carpenter has an A PR team and about Rachel Z, I also blame Disney! They were told to push the boss girl narrative bc that is all Disney is doing in ALL of their female lead films ✨false empowerment✨ they don’t even try or can understand what is actually a strong character and I think they are so out of touch with what their audience wants now in 2024 but I actually have seen a lot of Rachel Z interviews or clips that show her in a completely different light and is just a shame that she got casted in that horrible movie which will tank bc no matter how much it makes I can guarantee you that the budget of the movie will eat any possible revenue 🤷🏻♀️
Great video. Made me think of the Gallagher’s and how they’ve made millions from a very pronounced lack of media training (and good tunes ofc). Having said that, they are very good at playing the media, especially Noel. Winding people up kept them frequently in the press, even throughout the solo years. I’m don’t think they would fare anywhere near as well in America though, it’s a very British approach. Enjoyed your take, definitely an interesting topic
Yeah i disagree with you on the chappelle roan thing, she was standing up for herself and i dont see that as bad media training or even her being in character. Media training is often telling ppl to put up with whatever when theyre on camera and to have little to no boundaries. Why have i only seen people get mad at chappelle when the photographer clearly told her to stfu first? People getting mad at her need to go find something else to be mad about
They hate to see a real example of a strong woman and not the fake shit the media wants us to swallow imo. I’m a working class girl and no girl i know would take that shit either, hell yeah tell that leech to stfu who does he think he is?
@@kennethconklin4140 just because the hate she receives isn’t ONLY based in racism, doesn’t mean lot of it isn’t racism based. Calling her Snow N*gga, a brown talentless wh*re…yeah we should just ignore that because “it’s not that bad!” Just admit you hate having to acknowledge that racism is still so prevalent and move along. Brie has nothing to do with this topic.
I'm not surprised she didn't talk about it. I didn't expect her to. A lot of non poc don't see the casual racism that is very obvious to us who experience it everyday. they don't see it because it doesn't affect them at all. must who hated on her were racist white men, and men in general. her being a woman was also a disadvantage here.
The thing about Rachel Ziegler is that she's completely missing the point of Snow White's character. Her strength truly is her heart and her kindness. Snow White has a deep feminine energy and she created a home with the dwarves who were social outcasts - she never saw them as different to her, despite being the "fairest of them all". She loved the dwarves as if they were her family, and conversely, they, her. "That" is what she's failed to identify and acknowledge when speaking about the remake.
@@RandomSwiftie13 but as the actress who is playing her, she will have input into the character. Take for example, the way Cynthia and Ariana were able to influence Elphaba and Glinda in Wicked - so many examples to use, but on the top of my head, Cynthia brought more nuance to the character, more depth and emotional drive for the decisions of her actions and physically requested the box braids for Elphaba. Whereas Ariana fought for important lines from the Broadway production to not be cut. She also didn't advocate for a re-imagining of her solo, 'Popular' to be more R&B as was the plan - she wanted to keep it as close to the original as possible. The actors have a lot of power when it comes to the portrayal of these beloved characters!
@@tamarapoi Most actors don't have input in characters of Disney. Writers and producers mess up and actors get all the heat because they are the face of the movie when there's a bunch of powerful people in charge of the movie.
@RandomSwiftie13 nevertheless, Rachel Ziegler chose to say those things about Snow White. She could have more tact... But clearly doesn't have regard for the character. She's a talented person, just lacks the grace to understand the original character of Disney.
I like what you mentioned about the symbiotic nature between celebrity, pr and press. I have a good friend who works for one of the large online entertainment magazines who told me that they have a few staffers that are just there to be rolled out when a big star needs interviewed or when a large movie is opening because their speciality is gushing about how cool the movie looks or how amazing the celebrity is. This is planned in advance by the pr team and the site capitulates because they need access to celebrities to stay in business. So when a celebrity is left to twist in the wind, I often see it more as a failure of their team rather than the celebrity being a rotten person. But that can be the case if this type of thing seems to happen to them often, though a good pr team can make even a monster seem cool and relatable.
I miss the days of Sean Young running around in a Catwoman mask and Crispin Glover karate kicking David Letterman. People nowadays are complaining about slightly hostile interviews when 25 or so years ago there was a non-zero possibility that Bobcat Golthwaite might try to burn down your studio.
The thing with Ziegler saying that stuff about Snow White goes a bit deeper than that though. She's presenting wanting love as inadequate and weak, when it's actually the most natural thing in the world (and the prince in the movie wants love too, btw). It also tarnished the original in that SW actually was already a very strong character - she escaped being murdered, adapts to life with a bunch of strangers, overcomes hardship with good character, is a hard worker with lots of integrity. So it puts down all those good things, covers them up, then pretends that they're doing some thing groundbreaking (which they weren't, either) by having a strong woman when there was already a strong woman there. It feels both disrespectful and denigrating of the values of the original. And in that context, these actresses also make themselves out like either manipulative liars, or hopelessly stupid - and they think we are, too, if they think we should not notice it and get excited the way they are. Zegler in particular came off as quite condescending a few times in the course of it, which only worsened things.
The prince is barely in the movie. I don't know how saying she doesn't like her dreaming of a prince is trashing the whole story The prince is literally the only thing she talked badly about. How is that trashing the whole movie? By that logic, someone hates Star Wars if there's just one thing they don't like about Luke.
This is a really interesting take and I'm really glad I watched your video because I think it makes a lot of sense. Media training being about being able to have enough knowledge and understanding to maintain boundaries politely and communicate your intentions and ideas clearly, with less chance for misunderstandings, makes Much more sense to me and honestly seems like a really great tool. But it's absolutely true that this gets conflated with 'media training' meaning 'please practice hiding your unlikable personality so you can do it every single moment the world might catch a glimpse or it could be recorded, which, btw is now nearly every moment especially if you choose to participate in social media' which is obviously doomed to fail at some point and have cracks show through. *cough* blake lively *cough* Not that the way disney famously stifles their stars and has such a narrow field of what they can do/say/present is in any way healthy bc thats more the 'hide' side of things but honestly the parts in the jonas brothers section about having a game plan for who answers what type of questions based on what each individual is best at seems like good teamwork and exactly the kind of media training that is designed to help the celebrity in question navigate interactions with more confidence and clarity. Personally I am not a person that separates an artist from their art. If someone ends up showing sides of themselves that i find offensive that little irked thought sits in the back of my mind in association with their name / face / voice and therefore is embedded in my perception of their art from that point forward. You'd think that would mean I'd prefer if they could all hide their terrible sides better so I could enjoy more art in blissful ignorance but honestly the idea that people utilizing their fame to bring attention to their chosen topics (because to be fair some famous people choose Not to. They choose to do their work and keep a strong separation from the rest of their life, and coincidentally minimize risk of exposing any less than desirable personality traits.) have to pass the gauntlet of 'maybe don't secretly be a fucking dick to people who are just being polite' with the blancing energy of 'absolutely tell that reporter they are being inappropriate when not respecting boundaries or treating you rudely' because we are happier to see authentic people, just you know, authentically Decent to other Humans as a BASELINE people. I think that popular culture as a whole would actually benefit from that ultimately if it worked out that way since it would raise the standards for the art we consume, since people can never fully separate themselves from the art they make because it's made out of their experiences and perceptions. But i also think that i would never want to be famous because that sounds incredibly invasive and terrible as a whole and if people don't get to feel comfortable being a regular human and be respected for setting healthier boundaries with the media then the system is really designed to reward the hide approach over everything else so I'm not holding my breath.
Thing is Rachel Zegler would get asked what makes the Snow White remake different and she answered truthfully, it wasn’t her just bringing it up for the sake of it. We all know that it’s a racial bias towards her rather than people being upset about another remake because if you looked at the people sending her hate I doubt most of them cared about a new Snow White movie. Hell, people were calling her ‘Snow Brown’. Rachel was unfairly and cruelly judged and the hate campaign against her was disgusting
I can’t decide if I like Chappell Roan or not; after having typed that out, it occurred to me that if it that ever got back to her, Madame would roll her eyes and grumble that she didn’t want me to like her, just buy her music and concert tickets lol I understand that she’s not comfortable with pushy fans and flat out stalkers, and I’m glad she set up boundaries and people have respected them.
Lol no she just wouldnt care because she doesnt know you which is her whole point. Shes not a “madam” for saying its weird for fans to feel entitled to her like they know her and telling paparazzi to stfu - something someone should have done a while ago
I honestly don’t mind seeing the true nature of someone. I’d rather have a full understanding of who someone is than a mask they wear. I’m a fan of many and I love many people for their art and work but I try to keep in mind these are just other people. Like someone I meet at Walmart or work. They just got lucky or worked hard and grinded it out to get where they are at. Before they were known they were just like every other anonymous person we see casually.
one small thing id like to add: When you mentioned the miley cyrus disney controversy with her shoot back then were she was barely covered, it was about more than just the image not matching HM, she was also a minor.
Great vid, totally agree with all the ramblings at the end lmao. Especially I've noticed that the perception of media training as a whole to the public has in recent years been kinda put down I guess? You touched on it a bit in your video but it plays into the whole authentic vs non-authentic personality traits of artists and actors in the modern-age. Either way, very cool food for thought! Have an awesome day! ✨ P.S. Congrats on 10k subs! That's awesome!! 🎉
Great thoughts! The amount of rambling I have to cut out my videos is crazy 😆 you make some interesting points, thank you so much for you’re support and taking the time to comment, I’m so glad you enjoyed the video!
I think most people need a little bit of media training because most people are weird and some of the audience might not like the type of weird they are which i think is very understandable because the audience themselves are weird.....does that make sense? also nice video bro 🫡
Oh very interesting points! I do think that when it comes to a celebrity speaking their mind people just say it’s due to the lack of media training when that isn’t the case. Thank you for sharing your thoughts! I’m so glad you enjoyed the video ☺️🫶
It's shocking how some people think so little of how they make other ppl feel. It has nothing to do w/ fame but more your personality. Media training is basically there to have aholes pretend they are nice for 5 minutes.
On the Rachel Zigler thing....I'm not sure if it's because she just said more things that seemed to be bashing but Gal Godot even in your video said the "she's not going to be saved by the prince" line and I've never heard anyone say anything bad about her... That said I don't know about all the examples but she is the one person people I watch has called out for needing media training. And the thing is I think she actually was following her training. As far as things specifically about the movie anyways I think she was following Diseny's marketing plan and when it upset people Disney was able to hide behind her.
Let's be honest, the main reason Rachel Ziegler is getting crucified over this isn't lack of media training or lack of respect for Disney, it's racism. If Sydney Sweeney were playing Snow White and said the exact same things, we wouldn't be hearing about this.
Absolutely true. Most of the women who played live action Disney princesses were white (and/or where the same race as their character originally was) and most of them said basically the same sort of things Rachel did while promoting their own movie, but I don't think they faced the same level of hate and backlash that Rachel is getting now. Sure, people got upset, but they blamed Disney rather than the actresses, for the most part. Not even Emma Watson, who changed parts of the movie that people didn't want to be changed, didn't have entire videos dedicated to people bullying her. They were mad at Rachel just for being cast at all, like they were with Halle Bailey, but then Rachel saying those things gave people an excuse for them to finally bash her even harder, because, "Oh, now we can bully her without being accused of being racist!"
I reckon RZ said a few things that seemed pretty poor - the suggestion that the male actors scenes would get deleted for example. But yes, there is undoubtedly a racial element to the criticism she received too.
I honestly don’t think so! I just think people dislike her way of talking about the original Snow White. It’s just boring to see these remakes ruin the whole plot and scream “ feminism” so blatantly at our faces while changing the whole story. If you dislike the story so much, why are you acting as the lead character in the first place?
I’m not so sure. I know people will still be mad about the race swap, and nobody wanted another remake in the first place, but if that interview never happened, I truly believe there would be less buzz about the movie
I said on another comment. Yes, there's racism in the middle. But you people say these words to defend against any criticism. Disney is professional in dodging any criticism of their IPs as racism or sexism. The reason why it matters in this case is because it is the fucking essence and name of the character, it is snow white. It is forced diversity. It shows they don't care about the original work, they only care about agendas and people don't like that. Even the dwarves were not really dwarves. To deny all of that and think it is simply racism, it's stupidity.
It is interesting that Blake tried to seem relatable and oh so feminist with that whole thing about "oh I wonder if they ask the men about the costumes" because, I don't know if you remember, there was that Avengers panel back in 2012-2013 or something where the interviewers asked all those cool questions about the male actors' coreography, personality, how do they get into character etc, and then ScarJo got "the rabbit food question" and she raised her voice against that, like "wow you ask all the men about acting, but with me you only care about my body and how I get into the catsuit?" and somehow that felt real and justified, while with Blake it doesn't. I guess it's because Blake had already started the whole interview being rude as fuck (that interviewer can't have babies, as we later learnt, so congratulating her on her nonexistent bump was super insensitive) and ScarJo is just a generally more demure woman but anyway. Ever since I've seen that Blake interview I've wondered if anyone else associated it with that ScarJo answer!
I mean, with ScarJo she had a point, especially since her movie was an action movie and all of the questions regarding an action movie were never given to her. That was a valid reason to be annoyed. It's not about being demure (and, frankly, I side-eye that word nowadays), it's about her having a valid reason to be annoyed. I don't know if that other movie was an action movie or nor, but it is annoying to not get asked the "what did you feel about the choreography?" questions when you make a non rom-com
the cool thing lately has been the younger gens (like in my example, jenna ortega) showing older gens (like my alltime favorite actress, winona ryder) that it’s still about promoting something well and showing good personality but that you don’t have to do whatever the press says to do anymore in order to be liked by your audience. i love it! as for blake, everyone’s said everything i feel so i won’t go on and on. all i want to say, as a former fan and someone who never watched gossip girl while it was out but rewatched it about a million times in my 20’s 💀 (that’s not to mention some of her other older work)… i find it funny now, seeing what seems like her real personality, that she always seemed more genuine when playing a mean girl on GG than she did playing sweet serena. whereas prime bully blair, seemed more like a sweet girl than her in those private, heartbroken, sweet girl moments. leighton has never given us as much reason to think she is mean irl the way blake has done at least as time has gone on. and i’m NOT usually the one to compare a fictional character to a real person; i defend acting to the death. that’s why i said i simply found it FUNNY that i found blair’s innocent side seemed realer than serena’s innocent side, when serena didn’t do close to as awful stuff that blair did in the show. again i think it says something about the acting which can of COURSE be just great acting (it’s not like serena didn’t still seem real in those sweeter scenes, she absolutely did! which is why it actually maddened and confused me why i felt worse for blair in private than i did for serena. i did not get my feelings), i just find it ironic now. or is it coincidental? i think both could fit here. :)
I heard these days that managers are no longer investing time and effort in their talent, which means no more effort in media training etc. They just want you to go viral without considering your long term career. I'm not saying entertainers should sit idle when people treat them badly, it's just that they should be aware that they're entertainers, it's not that deep. They should be authentic for sure, but just not self-important or ego driven.
No one should be told how to be professional or taught for that matter because its different for each individual its far too ridgid and has no room too allow people too be themselves the how it should is too have the best of both worlds personality and professionalism
There's a line that can be crossed, but if you have someone endorsing your product there should be an understanding on how they and you should carry yourselves. It's gonna be hard to find someone who fits perfectly without some conversation
Interviews are a two way street. I think someone celebs just get asked boring questions and on some occasions just offensive questions. I think having good media training comes in and helps dealing with situations like that. There are times were I feel like actors should just answer the Q's and move on, but it must be annoying to give the same answer over and over.
There are lots of jobs that require you to not say everything you’re thinking because if a public persona. It’s about thinking of others and considering the way you wish to be viewed.
I definitely want to have sympathy for Chapelle Roan. Everyone deserves respect and should be treated fair. However, I feel like she takes things too personal and doesn't have enough bravery to last in the industry.
I would argue it takes more bravery to risk the backlash of the masses and speak your mind than just take the money and adoration and keep your lips zipped… i mean just look at what people are saying about her
@@Jennifer-my5dm Mm I want to agree and do to an extent, but feel like this statement is also in blind faith. If she did continue like this as her image, would you continue to follow her? If it's a character through and through she's playing I could see that, but at this point characters and true personality are blending together with regular people becoming famous way easier.
(apologies in advance, I didn't realize how long this rant would be until I finished it)
Its almost baffling to me how much celebrities are expected to always show off their best side. Almost as if they are more than human. Any normal person can have a bad day but celebrities need to be on their a-game anytime they step into public. I think its generally a bit worse with American actors than British actors, but I also feel like that is because the American media and populace glamorizes their idols a lot more than us "across the pond" folks (we still do our fair share as well though), hence they are expected to be perfect, or at least perceived as such.
I definitely prefer when celebs come across as authentic and are allowed to be honest and speak their mind. Personally, I resonate a lot more with the less media trained and rough around the edges personalities, as they just come across as more genuine. The danger therein is that much like being "strong-minded", being "authentic" can become a brand, and can just as easily be faked. Likable and down to earth celebs are very easily marketable after all. With how much Disney has been known to drill their kid actors, its no wonder some of them will at some point in their life experience some kind of identity crisis. I can't off the top of my head think of too many good examples, but I think the best one I can currently think of has to be Miley Cyrus in her "Wrecking ball" era. Its was like she was trying to show the entire world that she wasn't the cute little kid anymore. Fabricated authenticity might also be the reason why some people can so rather shockingly show their true colours when all this time they had been perceived as the "good guy" (like Blake Lively in that interview).
AAAAnyways... I drifted a bit off course but in the end I have never been one to form parasocial relationships in the first place, so I guess I don't care that much for how people present themselves outside of their work. I'm usually a big supporter of "separating the art from the artist" so that sometimes when a celebrity turns out to be an a-hole, I can still look back at their earlier work and appreciate it. It can be very difficult to separate the two, especially when politics are involved in both the art and the artist. But I try my best.
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to answer the question of the comments: Best PR trophy has got to go to Keanu Reeves. I feel like he is universally loved and has even been seen in daily commute giving up his subway seat to some older woman. He's a champ.
I honestly couldn’t have said it better! I hope you don’t mind if I pin your comment! I agree I find it so refreshing when a celebrity speaks as though they are a human and comes across as relatable, the comparison to British celebrities is something that I haven’t thought of before but is very true. The relationship we have with our celebrities and they have with us comes across with more banter and like friend next door vibes not to say that it’s the same for everyone but just an observation like you said.
I can’t express how many things you touched on that I feel the same way, but I really appreciate you taking the time to write your thoughts it truly means a lot! Keanu reeves seems like the kindest person on the planet!
@@AbbieRee I don't mind at all, its an honor. I feel like you usually pick great topics to invoke thought and discussion, so I love sharing my two cents in the comment section. Here's to seeing your channel grow 🙌
Just wanna shout out Conan for MY (co)nominee for the Best PR Trophy lol
Unlike so much of the interwebz, I like to read long posts if they're cogent and well written :-) - as yours is. Even as social media has opened everyone, not just celebrities, up to insane, never-before-possible levels of intimate scrutiny, I'm glad that the stance of "if you're a celebrity, everyone is entitled to have access to every detail of your personal life because it's part of the job" doesn't really fly anymore. What DOES fly, unfortunately, is ripping people apart when we think they've behaved badly. So if a celebrity, or any public figure, doesn't show their best side at all times, they all too easily make themselves a very visible target. And I think you hit upon something when you mentioned "fabricated authenticity"; it dovetails with Abbie's point that, often, it does in fact come down to someone's (true) personality coming through.
I don't doubt for a minute that Blake Lively knows better than to act how she did toward Kjersti Flaa in that interview with Parker Posey, and that she made a deliberate choice there to be a "mean girl" and to shut Flaa out. THAT was authentic behavior, and that's why it made such an impact when people saw it. Whether someone's a celebrity or not, it's not easy to mask genuine emotions. I will say, though, that for as much as we in America still do, as you said, glamorize our celebrities, there's been an ever-growing backlash against entitlement for some time now, and any celebrity that steps too close to that line (or ignores the line altogether) is pretty much fair game. We raise them up but don't shed a tear tearing them down. I think there's something very wrong in that, but that's a topic for another day.🙂
i always found it gross how people demand "media training" whenever a woman speaks her mind or shows her personality. There's people out there that are actual predators and don't get half the shit these young women do.
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Right. When women aren’t obnoxious, it must mean they aren’t showing their real personalities.
No, it's not a women thing, it's when PEOPLE are assholes to the people who put the money they have in their pockets. My fault we call that shit out ig
So... You think that when women aren't assholes, they are faking their personalities? That sounds... Pretty sexist XD.
I think with Renee and Chappell it's frustrating when people say that because they don't see its an intentional aspect of their branding.
Oh interesting points! I think their “authenticity” is what makes people so drawn to them and makes them who they are, as it comes across as a breath of fresh air.
thank you for sharing your thoughts I really appreciate it ☺️
Yes, the people coming for Chappell probably don't understand the phrase, "Do no harm but take no shit." She has every right to stand up for herself.
But does that include canceling show events just before she's meant to appear? You can correct me if I'm wrong, but I've heard this was done twice and it doesn't sound very artistically professional
@@jacklyntree7752what does that have to do with how they act, speak and media training or ack thereof?
I understand that, but sometimes these people have to choose better wording and recognize who they’re in front of. I was so turned off by Chappelle when on a late night show she said something about “twinks” when the host brought up something about Google searching her. It was so cringe and not to mention the audience was probably old ass people. I get that there are people who purposely say shocking things or act that way, or not even shocking, just deviating from the norm, but there are ways to make those moments less cringe.
My mother has worked in PR in the political space and private sector and what I’ve learned from her is that good PR is really just being a good person. The reason a lot of celebrities hire publicists, beyond the very practical reasons for needing one in a professional sense, is because they aren’t good people or they don’t have good social skills so they need someone else to tell them how a normal person would speak and behave.
The difference between Chappell Roan and Blake Lively is that Chappell may not be media trained and doesn’t really know how to navigate her new life as a pop star, but she does have a great personality so those who love her love that about her. Blake Lively, who most certainly has received media training, is purposely trying to act quirky to come off as down to earth and likable, but no matter how hard she tries, it doesn’t work because she isn’t actually down to earth and we don’t like her personality.
At the end of the day, artists should be able to make their art without having to compete for Miss Congeniality. When I think of artists like Amy Winehouse, Nina Simone, Faye Dunaway, or some of my other favorite artists, they struggled to deal with the industry, struggled in their real lives, and could be difficult to be around. I don’t really care because they make wonderful art and they aren’t necessarily hurting other people.
In a place like Hollywood where a lot of people aren’t real artists and their only talent is being conventionally attractive and likable for the sake of drawing in ticket sales, the publicist creates a persona to market to audiences who may buy the product they’re selling and pass it off as artwork. It’s the art of advertising vs. real artists who just happen to be famous for making good art. I hope that makes any sense lol 😂❤
I agree with many of your points. At the same time, I think there are many sides to a matter. For example, yes, good PR because of being a good person. But, there are so many discourses, not just from the (malicious) media(play) but also online platforms and social media, almost anyone and everyone can express their opinions publicly - and if met with the right group of people who share that same view or controversial enough (rage-baiting nowadays), it will blow up.
This follows closely in line with your example of Amy Winehouse. I believe, she was a genuinely a good person. But the media truly had her torn apart! There are good people who are not good at communicating, are easily misunderstood, and can't control what people make them out to be. I think, if they have good PR teams, they can definitely avoid unnecessary negativities and continue carrying on with their pursues.
Hope this adds on to your comment. Thanks for sharing!
in this logic, disney child stars, literal minors, who are deeply coached by media training, are not... good people? what? media training is not about black and white morality, "good versus bad", it's about what personal brand each celeb wants, or in their case, what personal brand DISNEY wants out their stars.
Shes trying to regain that edgy Millenial charm.
@@hata3128yes I was going to say the same. There are good people who aren't good with communication. Some people are autistic or have ADHD and people who arent (not everyone but a lot) see our communication skills as a problem (no matter how hard we mask to fit in) and then they think we are a bad person.
Honestly, Chappell Roan's case sounds like she's used to being the unknown starving artist, so the strategy there is to say yes to anything because you never know when the next gig will come. It sounds like, with her newfound fame, she continued using the strategy of "say yes to everything" even when it's not physically or psychologically possible, so she would've needed a publicist to help differentiate and tell her "honey, no, you are going to burn out and explode if you try to do all of that!"
I also think it’s like typical that it’s often women that are being critiqued for this and not any of the leading men
I didn’t touch on that in the video but I would agree, I didn’t realise it until I was making the thumbnail when it popped out to me how many more woman are labelled at having “bad media training” than men. Thank you for pointing this out and sharing your thoughts ☺️
@@AbbieRee because when men speak out it's "savage " ,"the truth","sigma" meanwhile when women do it are labelled as "woke " , "stupid" etc
I came to the comments to talk the same thing, but you said it best, it's very noticeable and also a topic that needs to be chatted more. Anyway I found the video very well done and leaves several things to reflect on.
Honestly the only reason why I personally only focus on the women, though I do note some men as having crass attitudes, is because I like to identify with them. It's not even a secret that women are a bulk of the consumers of a lot of media. Like we're the target for literally everything.
@@Royalty_girliethat being said shouldn't we try to give the ladies with all the pressure and scrutiny and media eyes on them a little more grace and less their way out of line I mean damn they're people that we don't even some people feel entitled to judge them off a few minute clip where we didn't even know what their mental state was when they were doing that interview what they had to deal with before they did that interview it's kind of annoying not you in particular just society stigma about it
Of course everyone is saying: “These celebrities nowadays don’t have personalities, they’re like robots.”
*A celebrity shows their personality*
“Oh no, not like that. Because I have to like it, they need media training.”
I see lots of personality in the current crop of celebrities. These people are wacky
The main problem with Chappell Roan is that people with emotional intelligence actually understand what she has been trying to say but her word choice offended people who are more defensive and misunderstood her responses as personal attacks. From an objective standpoint, it would be beneficial to have media training so fans don’t misinterpret her message especially since she is a popular figure. But from a subjective standpoint she has every right to not care about these more defensive fans like what Doja Cat did
@@CalmClamFam media training can actually help celebs create strong boundaries. They learn how to sidestep the nosy questions of journalists etc
Remember when young stars were all ‘media trained’ to grin through older interviewers making weird comments about their bodies, love lives and choices? Yeah, I prefer this.
Yes, exactly, I 100% agree with you and this.
crazy to not include the factor of gender and race into this conversation as they are truly the backbone to the mob. when we talk about bad media training everyone is quick to point out women because society holds women to higher standards (and woc to an even crazier one). ModernGurlz made an excellent video going through this topic and analyzing the process. Cause it truly is not just personality. it actually frequently isn't. it is women not fitting the widely accepted narrow box of acceptable womanhood.
Thank you I literally just commented something about this and people who make videos like this I kind of just don't get it but sure let's keep judging people we don't know to be the perception of them that we want them to be
Literally. Oh noooo a woman said stfu to some leech pap being rude to her lmfao whatever shall we do?? Some folk need to touch grass bro
@@katierasburn9571 especially wild that people got mad at her for saying that when that pap said it to her first like are women not supposed to stand up for themselves when their being disrespected?
@@katierasburn9571 The pap didn’t say stfu to Chap as she wasn’t even talking. He said it to a fellow photographer. But misunderstandings happen
I think you missed the most important group of all - the trans. Something to think about
This is such an important video!! So much shit was given to Charithra Chandran who played Edwina on Bridgerton because she was enthusiastic about her Bridgerton role and everyone was like " she needs media training". A lot of fans just expect woc and women in general to be these meek things that are always pleasant without a personality smh
It makes me sad when people are mean to Charithra because she genuinely seems so sweet and down to earth! Of course we don’t really know these celebs but she does seem so so genuine and kind.
This makes me think of how the media treated Millie Bobby Brown when she was little, after S1 of Stranger Things! I believe she spoke about it on an episode of the Guilty Feminist, and the disparity between how the media perceived the enthusiasm of the Stranger Things boys, versus how they perceived hers... She was considered obnoxious and self centred because sometimes she would interrupt the boys (in the same way that they interrupted each other, like normal kids do, may I add!). She spoke about how it impacted her, and she said that she stopped speaking so much in the group interviews because of what was being written about her 😢
Honestly Chappell Roan is awesome for being unapologetic to the media and for addressing toxic fan culture
I think Timothee Chalamet is always pretty good at interviews. He has this easygoing nature that just makes any form of tension impossible.
Great point! I agree, thank you for taking the time to comment I really appreciate it 😊
this reminds me of Saoirse Ronan, I've been a fan for a long time and look up her interviews, she's always so calm and articulate, and can be honestly really funy sometimes
I think the main reason why Timothee Chalamet is a people person is because he went to college in a normal fashion as any students coming in to class without having to carry his celebrity entitlements and fame. He was just treated normal like a casual New Yorker, and doing his thing.
The Rachel Zegler controversy seems ridiculous to me because Emma Watson (live action Belle) and Naomi Scott (live action Jasmine) said very similar things when promoting their respective movies. This is basically the Disney strategy for promoting the live action princess movies - justify its existence by claiming to have “modernized” the heroine. If people don’t like this strategy, blame Disney and NOT Zegler who is just following the same playbook as all her predecessors.
I don’t know about Naomi Campbell, but Emma Watson did get hate for saying she didn’t want her Belle in a corset because it wasn’t feminist (it didn’t fit Emma’s personal taste basically). Which was fair criticism (hate unwarranted even if I think she was a bad Belle) because the corset is part of proper costuming for the time period and character. Halle Bailey got hate for saying that this movie makes it more clear that Ariel’s motives aren’t solely based around Eric and shows a better romance. She never said the original didn’t show it but a lot of people argue that Ariel gave up her tail and voice for a man when the land had always been her dream. This is a pattern amongst the women leads in these movies, they can’t say anything (right or wrong) without receiving mass hate for it.
Jasmine should’ve been played by an Arab not Indian
let’s not act like much of the hate Rachel is receiving isn’t just pure racism.
@@Aurora-lp9sn true! A lot of it is misogyny and racism
@@guesswhoshere8024 bro you’re being too picky
i think with chappell roan, being an unapologetically queer person who speaks her mind, brings a lot of lgbtq+ people together. it’s who i personally want as an artist. she’s a drag artist and a musician, who has mainstream media attention in a short amount of time.
Wait, so is she gay or not? What does queer or drag mean? Someone that wears costumes? Are these margianalized groups, or is this like a VIP club now?
@@zztopz7090 it is...Pink pony club
@@zztopz7090 As far as I know she's a lesbian. Queer is sort of an umbrella term for the LGBT+ community, although different people use the word differently, and drag is a bit harder to explain. Here's the definition I found on google, but there's a lot of history behind it that make it more complicated: "Drag is a performance of exaggerated femininity, masculinity, or other forms of gender expression, usually for entertainment purposes. Drag usually involves cross-dressing. A drag queen is someone who performs femininely and a drag king is someone who performs masculinely"
I personally don’t like her cause it seems like she likes picking fights over stupid shit like girlll- 🙄
She has been 10 years trying to be famous, no reason to not have media training.
The Rachel Zegler controversy got really too far I totally agree. I'm pretty sure she said those things intentionally in those interviews (and maybe was suggested by her PR team, who knows), as a little bad buzz is always generating more views. The lines are so blurred now between social media and traditional media too, I guess it doesn't help. Probably the best PR today for actors is to stay on the quiet side in term of social media.
Yes! Really interesting points you make, the lines do seem to blur as if any attention even negative is used as a marketing technique.
Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts I appreciate it !
I don’t think so, I think Rachel was high on her hubris. And she’s insensitive.
Yes what she said wasn't the end of the world, it's hypocritical but there are celebrities that have done way worse than saying "I don't like snow white" and still have an established career. People still despise her because of that interview and that's ridiculous
@@nenokedoken885 There were a few other things that she said (especially HOW she said them) and texted. It is her disrespectful nature towards other cultures and people that others find very inappropriate.
@@cora.ann.s what exactly did she says that was disrespectful towards other culture? Guenenly asking cause I only know about the snow white controversy that is for me quite ridiculous to say the least
Zendaya and Thom Holland, but they both seem genuinely nice
Definitely! Thank you for sharing your thoughts ☺️
People act like these aren’t the DRAMA KIDS FROM YOUR HIGH SCHOOL WHO TOOK IT EVEN MOREEEE SERIOUSLY like bffr
I feel like Austin Butler, who became an overnight sensation after years of small roles due to his starring role in Elvis, has been doing pretty well. He definitely comes off as being on the careful side, which seems to come from an awkward and shy nature. His love for the craft and humility do shine through in interviews and he appears to be genuinely nice and thoughtful.
Anyone who is passionnate about their art I can get behind.
Agree. Good call
I'm a girls girl, and he is trash. Yall use art to excuse your celebrity worship
When it truly is an issue of “media training,” it’s not like that training is a guarantee. Sometimes people are just rude.
i’ve also started to become really wary of calling myself a fan of celebrities these days. that being said, when he was first coming up in the industry i think timothee chalamet was really fun for me to watch. his actors on actors interviews were really interesting and you could tell he was genuinely curious about refining his craft and learning about the other person. right now, i think i’d say zendaya and jenna ortega are some of my favorite people to watch do interviews. they’re both well-spoken and just have such an ease about them :)
Definitely! Some great examples thank you for sharing your thoughts it means a lot 🫶
I would rather Celebs be authentic than not.
Also as someone with Autism and Agoraphobia, speaking to someone who you don’t know in general is a nightmare.
I completely understand, I'm also autistic and I've got generalized anxiety disorder, so I don't leave the house much (only, like, 4 times a year or so) and rarely speak to strangers face-to-face. 🥺
@@JulianaLimeMoon It sucks doesn’t it.
But it’s nice to know I’m not alone, so thanks for the comment.
@@NuMetalfan1996 🩷
That’s interesting because as someone who has autism as well, I don’t have a problem talking to people I don’t know…I just really respect people and try to be nice to anyone I see…I wouldn’t really want to come off as weird or rude…but I guess people who are on the spectrum are different from interaction. I also know what it’s like to be parasocial considering growing up I had 0 friends to talk to the point I was very su3dal, but I could understand Chappel is coming from.
But why ? We don't know them personally. They're not our friends, they don't own us anything.
Honestly, Chappell Roan's case sounds like she's used to being the unknown starving artist, so the strategy there is to say yes to anything because you never know when the next gig will come. It sounds like, with her newfound fame, she continued using the strategy of "say yes to everything" even when it's not physically or psychologically possible, so she would've needed a publicist to help differentiate and tell her "honey, no, you are going to burn out and explode if you try to do all of that!"
Great observation I definitely agree, I can’t start to imagine how overwhelming this all must feel to her. Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts I really appreciate it ☺️
Good insight. I hadn’t thought of that
I think there will be a big backlash against celebrities and influencers. Sure some of them are genuinely nice but a lot of them also live in a bubble which is why you hear so many of them saying tone deaf things.
The gap between the rich and the poor is so much more visible these days as well.
Ive always been so impressed by Tom Hisdleston! I agree that it must also be a lot of his personality because you can see it shining through in interviews and such, but he is good at keeping a good relation to the public.
Anne Hathaway has almost too perfect media training but she kills it
gal gadot as the evil queen is very fitting huh 💀
It should be easy for her to portray Someone who wants to kill an innocent kid
Yup. Also goes to show that someone who puts on a good face for the media while holding atrocious beliefs gets less hate than a morally decent person who said a few offhanded remarks.
@@alyssapinon9670 ikr???? really makes you think a lot about society and celebrity culture 💀💀
@@onyx_mango I’m trying to distance myself from celeb culture as a whole, but I do tend to have a soft spot for women celebs like Brie Larson or Rachel Ziegler who say all the wrong things on camera. Shows that they’re not trying to put on a front. But maybe that’s just my bias with having lots of art kid friends and being one myself,
@@alyssapinon9670 fr, why are people acting like Rachel having a couple of bad takes which literally every almost every actor whose worked on a live action including Gal Gadot (I don't know why people conveniently forget she was saying the same shit) and was likely only saying because Disney's PR told her too is worse than supporting a literal genocide and serving in the actual IDF having innocent people's blood on your hands
When it comes to media training I always remember that one interview with James Cordon and Nick Jonas where he full on displayed how he would have answered a question during his Disney days 😅
12:41 for me the problem is mostly that this 'strong female character' trope is not rlly feminist imo. Its just hollywood feminism. It promotes the idea that women can only be 'powerful' and 'strong' if they adapt traditionally masculine character traits or occupy traditionally masculine roles. Ofc there's nothing wrong with a woman or female character being like that but it promotes the idea that there IS something wrong with a woman who IS traditionally feminine. Snow White upholds a lot of traditionally feminine virtues and instead of lifting those up and showing a woman that can be powerful BECAUSE she's feminine, it just labels those virtues as outdated. And at that point the question becomes; if so many of the original values are outdated to the point that you completely rewrite the story, is it even worth adapting? just write a new story then
I think it's funny how the epidemic of the Strong Female Character started in the name of representation when all they've done is give us one single type of woman over and over again.
Jenna Ortega's has had media training and it stick well with her. It's even better that she's originally humble, sweet, and kind. She spoke really well for being so young, but rambled a lot sometimes (and that's when people often misunderstood what she said and attacked her). I hope people do realize that media training is important, but also realizing there are some other things other than media training that still can cause an image of a person to be trashed in so many ways.
She's a true sweetheart
Given how much money is on the line for movies and how so many people behind the scenes are dependent for their livelihoods, a little media coaching might be in order…so that actors and actresses do not commit too much controversy where it depresses the potential audience when it comes to the movies they wanna promote.
Yeah, I mean, it still is a job at the and of the day, if we just went on a rant saying whatever we wanted at our job, I'm pretty sure we would not be getting a lot of sympathy. Also, some things are just basic common sense that celebrities so often seems to forget
tbh the book blake’s movie is based on handles DV awfully, and isn’t really marketed as serious, more along the spicy sexy vibes so tbh i think she was just treating the topic accordingly, not super appropriate but still in line
Yeah. Anyone who has heard of Colleen Hoover already knew that turning one of her novels into a movie was a bad idea from the start. I personally think not everyone knows about problematic authors so the whole It Ends with Us thing flew over a lot of people's heads.
That’s no excuse tho, Colleen handled dv awfully but Blake didn’t have to as well.
@@gabby222themoon explanation not an excuse
I don't understand how civility is being used as an antonym for authenticity by some people. Those are two separate concepts. It is personally in my nature to want to get along with people - that doesn't mean changing my views, that doesn't mean always agreeing or holding my tongue. It means I can understand that some issues that aren't worth the emotional energy to get upset over, and I don't need to inflict my every little bit of baggage on bystanders when I know they likely didn't mean to poke that topic.
I think a lot of celebrities (all genders and ages) have led very insular lives centered around their desires, and because of this, they sometimes do not understand how to have basic empathy for even minor things, like conversational flow or the duties of other professions or the people they're portraying in their movies, and their self-centeredness blasts through whatever minor effect media training (which is basically "how to keep steering the conversation away from controversy to the thing you're promoting and small talk 101") could have. So sure, they are authentic, but are they likeable? Haha....
Rachel zegler did not deserve death threats. Also i feel like the only public figures who actually care about public perception these days are K-pop idols. I think theyre on tighter confines on what they can do and say, and their personas are easily molded and shaped by their labels to maximize profit. But , that extreme being on the opposite end of the spectrum of how western figures portray themselves, id imagine it’d be more jarring for Kpop fans when their idols do something out of line.
Blake Lively is marketing the movie EXACTLY the way colleen Hoover marketed the book. And both of them tried to make money off extra branding Colleen did the same thing with the book with clothes and a coloring book based on the book which she rightly got flack for but I just don’t find it surprising that Blake is marketing it the same was Colleen did. I don’t think it’s the right thing to do at all but she was following the author’s example. I refuse to support either the movie or the book because of responses from DV survivors to the book and how Colleen handled the criticism. I also hate how it’s turned into Justin vs Blake and Justin turned into this hero when he hired the PR team that used DARVO in the world’s most famous DV case. Talking the talk but not walking the walk. Also of all books to speak to you on the issue you champion one of the most problematic? Neither of these people are good for this community clearly.
miley Cyrus has a pretty good pr nowadays!!
The interview about her father really showed that.
Btw, love the eye make up !! It looks really good on you !
Oh yes I would definitely agree!! Ah you’re too kind thank you so much I really appreciate it 🫶
I do feel the Rachel Zegler bashing went too far and got totally out of hands.
She was called ugly and not-talented while she is neither of these things, being perfectly cute, likable and a good singer and actor as Maria for one example.
People just don't see that the studios/production companies like Disney or Amazon push their agenda, put the poor actors out there with directions how to advertise the movie/show and when that backfires with the public/viewers they stay silent and wait it out leaving the respective actors out there in the rain.
I feel very very sorry for Rachel Zegler.
Like someone here said, Aladdin and Beauty and the Beast were marketed similarly.
I have however no sympathy or anything for Blake Lively.
MMA media training is interesting too.
A lot of fighters are so bad at selling themselves that the UFC stops pushing them whereas charismatic fighters get a huge push because they are good at social media.
I’m just glad that I subscribed this channel, liked this video and commented before watching the whole video
Thank you so much !
I personally really like when celebrities are just honest and being themselves. I honestly really despised celebrity culture when I was younger but in this new age where it's more common for celebrities to show their personalities and share their opinions it makes me way more interested in pop culture. I think it's a really good indicator of where we are as a society, and also nice for celebrities to be recognized as humans lol. Also feel like I should mention that I have been a huge Chappell Roan fan for like a couple years and the attitude she is bringing to the pop scene is so refreshing. Celebrities shouldn't have to be mindless glamour drones, because they aren't, and I'm glad that this issue is being drawn to the attention of a wider audience. I also totally agree lol if ur a shitty person media training will not save you. Congratulating the lady interviewing you on her "baby bump" (Blake Lively didn't know this but that interviewer is infertile ((and even if she wasn't it would still be rude )) is DIABOLICAL💀
the editing in this vid was SO GOOD! i also loved the most innocuous "rant" in the history of the internet lol
i honestly dont know who has good pr or not but rebecca ferguson and simon pegg's interviews for last years' mission impossible were really funny and personable - like they just seemed like two old friends who were lighthearted and cool with the interviewers, but maybe that's just because they're older idk
Thank you so much Your too kind 🫶
Oh great thoughts I haven’t watched too many of there interviews I will have to go check them out! Thank you so much for taking the time to comment it means a lot to me ☺️
In regards to Rachel Zegler, I did not have a problem with her being cast as Snow White at all. To be honest, she could shit on the original source material all she wants. I didn't care at the time, and I don't care now.
What I do have a problem with however, was the way in which she treated her co-star, the Prince. Boasting about him getting less scenes due to his role, I find to be very disrespectful, as an actor he was trying to work his ass off to get that role. While that doesn't necessarily mean I know the actor personally, but to say something like that in an interview is not on. As actors I believe we need to build each other up and make everyone feel represented, but the way Zegler delivered this so smugly really set off alarm bells for me.
I still loved her performance in the West Side Story remake, and as said before I don't know everything about Zegler, but that one comment really rubbed me the wrong way if I'm completely honest.
Thank you for saying this. I had the same reaction towards her. Don’t hate her but cringed a bit at the treatment of her costar. It was rude but not worthy of the backlash she got. But then again young WOC (especially those who aren’t super white passing) get held to a much higher standard than white male counterparts.
I can never voice this opinion without starting a war with the vehement Rachel haters and defenders. You can be critical of someone’s behavior without sending disproportionate hate.
Never saw Westside story, but I think Rachel’s natural unfiltered theater kid energy worked out perfectly for her role as Lucy Gray in TBOSBAS
that's not what she said. she was trying to be vague about the prince's character for spoiler reasons and joked that, since the film was so far from release, maybe all his scenes would get cut and they would never know. never was she like "haha he has less than me" what lol
@nate-it9xq ffs yes. She was like, "haha, at some point hollywood could cut of his scenes? Cuz it's all about Snow white and snow white only" like HOW spidermans romantic partners have no important or significance other than being his love interest bc spiderman is the most important character!
Edit: not towards u the ffs! 😂 just my frustration at people angry at this.
Your opinion but I wish Olivia Rodrigo or Jenna Ortega was casted as snow white
Media training helps but you need to be authentic with a great & lovable personality! Being kind & nice to people will help make more people support you!
Definitely! Greatly put, thank you for taking the time to share you’re thoughts I really appreciate it ☺️
Look, talking to people and doing interviews is a job. If you want the authentic answer: a lot of these celebrities would rather skip the press release part and just focus on acting and/or creating music, because doing a press release requires a lot of emotional labor. Most people would find that notion "rude" and probably hate the idea that the "bad boy" or "super polite actor" is just putting up a customer service front to sell the product, but that's what it is.
Yes, they get paid more to do this form of customer service than regular customer service jobs, but it's still an adjacent emotional labor
I don't view media training as losing authenticity. i view it as being able to speak professionally and just overall better articulate your words. some people cannot get the point across well and they get backlash for it. i 100% feel you can have media training and stay authentic.
You don’t need media training if youre a good person. Kelly Clarkson didn’t get any of that cause she’s actually a good person. That’s literally the only difference. The bad PR nightmares are just not good people and that’s why they get canceled.
I wouldn't say that they all are bad people but some of them are just stubborn and out of touch. Rachel Zegler is an incredibly talented young girl with many incredible main roles other actors would die for but she's out there making tik toks of herself crying and replying to haters on twitter or ranting. It's just not good for her career. (Or anyone's) same with Chapell Roan
Being chronically on twitter or tik tok when you're a public figure always ends up badly
Because Kelly knows how to speak and what to say, it's not about being a good or nad person.
Not really, sometimes the people that are going after them are the bad ones who are just doing it because they love bullying. Anybody that doesn't fit into the perfect mold will get bullied. That is all.
This is such a great video! I completely agree that eventually a person's true colors will shine through no matter how much media training they've had. If you haven't already, I would highly recommend looking into the media training of KPOP idols and Kdrama actors. As I've watched and followed the K-entertainment space more, it's clear that the pressure they're under could actually be more than those of American celebrities. It might be because Asian countries in my opinion are usually more "conservative" and really adhere to societal norms or could also be caused by other factors. Anyways, great video & hope ur channel gets to grow more!
Ah thank you so much for the support i’m glad you enjoyed! Oh great thought, it definitely is an interesting topic i will have to do some more research on it and possibly make a video exploring it a bit more!
Thank you so much for taking the time to comment it truly means a lot 🫶
These tips are genuinely so helpful. I have a good amount of unprocessed trauma and recently lost someone very close to me, so the emotions I’ve been experiencing are intense and can be overwhelming at times. I appreciate the explanation and how to get past this
From what I remember the main problem with the Miley Cyrus photo was the fact that she was 16 at the time. It was basically sexualising a child. It sounds like Disney were just trying to make sure the public knows this was Miley’s idea not theirs, so the whole world doesn’t think they’re pimping out their child stars
this whole blake lively thing made me realise how easy it is for people to switch sides like not even 3 months ago everyone loved blake. She does deserve the hate shes getting though
True, it is honestly so crazy how quickly people do a full 180, but I agree the way she has handled pr and interviews isn’t great. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the topic it means a lot ☺️
@@AbbieRee I mean, seems like it WASN'T easy, because it took this long for people to re-evaluate who she is. Lots of stuff was out there showing that she wasn't a good person for years and so many people didn't pay attention until it finally reached a boiling point.
She will show up to a Met Gala event and everyone will just go back to loving her.
i feel like the whole rachel zegler was something i never understood why ppl were upset or shared their anger to her. I personally, in my opinion, i say she didn't deserve the hate. she just spoke from her opinion, her own thoughts and what she knows based on the project she was working on. most actors dont have control on what happens in the project unless they are the directors or executive producers. if ppl were upset over another live action, then don't go to the actors bc they have nothing to do with it. they are simply part of it and doing their part lol. also, she received hate before snow white, when she did west side story. with best pr i agree with many like zendaya, keanu, ryan gosling, maybe pedro pascal and or oscar isaac?? i think so lol
I also never understood why she got so much hate, I don't even think she was just sharing her opinion (maybe she was, I don't know) because she was just saying the same things every actress that's played a princess in the remakes has been saying for years. I'm sure that if the clip of Emma Watson saying how important was that the new Belle invented a washing machine was played a million times, she would also be percived rude and disrespectful.
I really don't mind her opinion on Snow White but just because she wasn't a girl boss doesn't mean that she isn't someone to be aspired to. For example, I don't really like Snow White but at the end of the day she teaches little girls a lot of things. Same as Cinderella. I do think that most of the criticism is the fact that just because a woman doesn't want to go, go, go, it doesn't mean that a kind humble woman isn't also an important face of feminism. Also, Disney.
Also it's weird that women are "ungrateful" if they don't like the role they're playing, everyone was giving her shit for not liking a poorly made snow white, but when Oscar Isaac despises his role is Star Wars he only gets praise for being "based"
Hi babe, I just came across this video yesterday. I think it's really well done in terms of what it covers and it's nice that you have a pleasing tone to listen to. I don't know whether it's maybe because you studied to do media (like to be a radio host etc.) but for some reason for a lot of videos like these that try to cover topics, I'm interested in the subjects but the voices talking about them or/and their cadence can be pretty straining to listen to. Feel like its an important area people overlook, perhaps. Anyway, great job! =)
Wow thank you so much I don’t know what to say! You’re so kind I’m glad you enjoyed, I honestly love making videos so much! This means a lot to me thank you again ☺️
another banger thanks bestie
No thank you for the support!!
zendaya truly has some of the best pr i can think of that girl is seen as a angel who at the same time can speak her mind in a eloquent and respectful and still honest way. maybe bc i’ve looked up to her for so long but i truly think she has some of the best. honorable mention can be beyonce tbh that woman stays silent about everything and it always works😭 but also her “ Controversies” are more theory’s about her rather than something she actually did (her or today not in the beginning of her career i don’t know enough to reference that). somebody who i want to have better PR is my girl ariana grande why does she keep getting shredded to pieces by the internet and stuff just gets so intensely dragged out thank god she is still doing what she’s doing and we get to see her art
They literally changed the ENTIRE plot of Snow White. It’s literally about HER BEING SAVED BY A PRINCE .. THAT IS the story, so it wouldn’t be a remake if they changed it.
Guess they could've used the line "inspired by the original Snow White tale" or something..
The prince is BARELY IN THE MOVIE. He only shows up in two scenes - their first meeting (they don't even have a full conversation) and the ending where he kisses her to wake her up.
This isn't Waiting for Godot where the whole point is the characters waiting for someone to show up. She just wants a prince to come and then movies on trying to survive.
The romance is not fleshed out compared to something like Tangled or Princess and the Frog
Disney is to blame when it comes to Rachel Ziegler. They absolutely told her to say all those things. You can see gal gadot co-signs everything she says, repeats it. That was entirely Disney’s idea.
I agree 100% with everything you said. The pressure of having media training and scrutiny on celebrities is going out of control, I also feel that this is specially targeted to women as we have seen with Blake Lively, Rachel Zegler and previously with Brie Larson.
I agree, I couldn’t image being so controlled. Like you said we do see the “not media trained” statement targeting woman a lot more than men. Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts I really appreciate it ☺️
Great video! Also, your eyebrows are simply magnificent.
Thank you so much! That means a lot ☺️
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Wow thank you so much ah !! I’m glad you enjoyed ☺️
chapelle was valid for yelling at the paparazzi
I'd actually like to get media training at some point as I am doing more appearances and stuff. I'm not really worried about myself, but it couldn't hurt.
definitely! It would be interesting, it’s probably a lot more calculated than it looks 👀
I like your style of presentation, I have to admit I only new like one person you talked about in this video which is evidence of what a good video maker you are cuz I still watched the whole thing.
Money aside it must be absolutely miserable being famous, having to pretend to be someone other than yourself at all times for the sake of maintaining a brand must be exhausting. I'm glad I'm not famous, I'd be a human disaster.
In answer to the question at the end I think Tom Cruise has really great PR these days (not so much in the early 2000's). We all know he's a strange fella, we all know he's into a lot of wacky stuff, but when he's doing interviews these days he's very charismatic and charming and speaks with a lot of passion about all of his projects and he's generally very polite. He's trying to sell a movie and I think he's been trained to do so very well. You'd think he was normal if you based your opinions off him when he's out promoting his films.
Artists are people. We already have enough social pressure to be a certain way to fit in. We don't need media training. Focus on the work, not how fake they can be.
greatly put. thank you for taking the time to comment!
I think the biggest thing with Rachel Zegler is that she isn’t in line with the branding Disney goes with when she says those things. If she only mentioned the positives like “Snow White is a strong individual because ……” but the issue is that she actively drags Disneys past creations that are beloved in their original forms in order to elevate this new one and that is not a great look for them. Which like they deserve but I get how frustrating that would be for the people involved who are affected by the things she says.
Another good video Abbie. Glad your channel is doing well.
Thank you so much ! I really appreciate it
You have such a soothing voice, calm personality and above all, important things to say. 👍🏻👍🏻
Wow thank you so much! That’s honestly so kind of you🥹 This has made my day thank you 🫶
The blake lively situation is insane so she was mean to someone once why is the entire nation losing it chill out sometimes we are in bad mood and come off toxic to people around us
Literally, like a month ago she was an absolute darling like i dont get it at all
Ikr? I just stayed away from that whole mess. She has had so many great interviews in the past decade that show she is a good and caring person but people were really ready to hate on her that they decided to go looking for a couple of old clips from her teenage days to use against her all because they didn't like how she promoted a movie which they didn't even wanna watch in the first place... SMH.🤦🏽♀️
I would be a media hazard, as i just blob out whatever crosses my brain before thinking what it means or how it sounds
I think Sabrina Carpenter has an A PR team and about Rachel Z, I also blame Disney! They were told to push the boss girl narrative bc that is all Disney is doing in ALL of their female lead films ✨false empowerment✨ they don’t even try or can understand what is actually a strong character and I think they are so out of touch with what their audience wants now in 2024 but I actually have seen a lot of Rachel Z interviews or clips that show her in a completely different light and is just a shame that she got casted in that horrible movie which will tank bc no matter how much it makes I can guarantee you that the budget of the movie will eat any possible revenue 🤷🏻♀️
Great video. Made me think of the Gallagher’s and how they’ve made millions from a very pronounced lack of media training (and good tunes ofc). Having said that, they are very good at playing the media, especially Noel. Winding people up kept them frequently in the press, even throughout the solo years. I’m don’t think they would fare anywhere near as well in America though, it’s a very British approach.
Enjoyed your take, definitely an interesting topic
Yeah i disagree with you on the chappelle roan thing, she was standing up for herself and i dont see that as bad media training or even her being in character. Media training is often telling ppl to put up with whatever when theyre on camera and to have little to no boundaries. Why have i only seen people get mad at chappelle when the photographer clearly told her to stfu first? People getting mad at her need to go find something else to be mad about
They hate to see a real example of a strong woman and not the fake shit the media wants us to swallow imo. I’m a working class girl and no girl i know would take that shit either, hell yeah tell that leech to stfu who does he think he is?
Big fan. You make my days better thank you
Wow that’s just made my day thank you so much 🥹!
Great video as always, looking forward to more rants in future. Congrats on 10K, have a great day
You really don't know why Rachel Zeigler got so much hate? Are we just going to pretend that the vast majority of it wasn't outright racism?
thank you
@@kennethconklin4140 just because the hate she receives isn’t ONLY based in racism, doesn’t mean lot of it isn’t racism based. Calling her Snow N*gga, a brown talentless wh*re…yeah we should just ignore that because “it’s not that bad!” Just admit you hate having to acknowledge that racism is still so prevalent and move along. Brie has nothing to do with this topic.
I'm not surprised she didn't talk about it. I didn't expect her to. A lot of non poc don't see the casual racism that is very obvious to us who experience it everyday. they don't see it because it doesn't affect them at all.
must who hated on her were racist white men, and men in general. her being a woman was also a disadvantage here.
The thing about Rachel Ziegler is that she's completely missing the point of Snow White's character. Her strength truly is her heart and her kindness. Snow White has a deep feminine energy and she created a home with the dwarves who were social outcasts - she never saw them as different to her, despite being the "fairest of them all". She loved the dwarves as if they were her family, and conversely, they, her. "That" is what she's failed to identify and acknowledge when speaking about the remake.
That's on Disney, she didn't write the movie. She is just saying what's in the movie.
@@RandomSwiftie13 but as the actress who is playing her, she will have input into the character.
Take for example, the way Cynthia and Ariana were able to influence Elphaba and Glinda in Wicked - so many examples to use, but on the top of my head, Cynthia brought more nuance to the character, more depth and emotional drive for the decisions of her actions and physically requested the box braids for Elphaba.
Whereas Ariana fought for important lines from the Broadway production to not be cut. She also didn't advocate for a re-imagining of her solo, 'Popular' to be more R&B as was the plan - she wanted to keep it as close to the original as possible.
The actors have a lot of power when it comes to the portrayal of these beloved characters!
@@tamarapoi Most actors don't have input in characters of Disney. Writers and producers mess up and actors get all the heat because they are the face of the movie when there's a bunch of powerful people in charge of the movie.
@RandomSwiftie13 nevertheless, Rachel Ziegler chose to say those things about Snow White. She could have more tact... But clearly doesn't have regard for the character. She's a talented person, just lacks the grace to understand the original character of Disney.
I like what you mentioned about the symbiotic nature between celebrity, pr and press. I have a good friend who works for one of the large online entertainment magazines who told me that they have a few staffers that are just there to be rolled out when a big star needs interviewed or when a large movie is opening because their speciality is gushing about how cool the movie looks or how amazing the celebrity is. This is planned in advance by the pr team and the site capitulates because they need access to celebrities to stay in business. So when a celebrity is left to twist in the wind, I often see it more as a failure of their team rather than the celebrity being a rotten person. But that can be the case if this type of thing seems to happen to them often, though a good pr team can make even a monster seem cool and relatable.
I miss the days of Sean Young running around in a Catwoman mask and Crispin Glover karate kicking David Letterman.
People nowadays are complaining about slightly hostile interviews when 25 or so years ago there was a non-zero possibility that Bobcat Golthwaite might try to burn down your studio.
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The thing with Ziegler saying that stuff about Snow White goes a bit deeper than that though. She's presenting wanting love as inadequate and weak, when it's actually the most natural thing in the world (and the prince in the movie wants love too, btw). It also tarnished the original in that SW actually was already a very strong character - she escaped being murdered, adapts to life with a bunch of strangers, overcomes hardship with good character, is a hard worker with lots of integrity. So it puts down all those good things, covers them up, then pretends that they're doing some thing groundbreaking (which they weren't, either) by having a strong woman when there was already a strong woman there. It feels both disrespectful and denigrating of the values of the original. And in that context, these actresses also make themselves out like either manipulative liars, or hopelessly stupid - and they think we are, too, if they think we should not notice it and get excited the way they are. Zegler in particular came off as quite condescending a few times in the course of it, which only worsened things.
But it's very likely she was told my Disney themselves, who wrote the movie, to promote that narrative.
@@flowerinantarctica Imo, even f that were true, it doesn't matter because she very clearly is on board with all that.
@@aerialpunk Still a useless, overblown hate train from a cherry picked interview.
The prince is barely in the movie. I don't know how saying she doesn't like her dreaming of a prince is trashing the whole story
The prince is literally the only thing she talked badly about. How is that trashing the whole movie? By that logic, someone hates Star Wars if there's just one thing they don't like about Luke.
@@amarants2423 exactlyyyy
This is a really interesting take and I'm really glad I watched your video because I think it makes a lot of sense.
Media training being about being able to have enough knowledge and understanding to maintain boundaries politely and communicate your intentions and ideas clearly, with less chance for misunderstandings, makes Much more sense to me and honestly seems like a really great tool.
But it's absolutely true that this gets conflated with 'media training' meaning 'please practice hiding your unlikable personality so you can do it every single moment the world might catch a glimpse or it could be recorded, which, btw is now nearly every moment especially if you choose to participate in social media' which is obviously doomed to fail at some point and have cracks show through. *cough* blake lively *cough*
Not that the way disney famously stifles their stars and has such a narrow field of what they can do/say/present is in any way healthy bc thats more the 'hide' side of things but honestly the parts in the jonas brothers section about having a game plan for who answers what type of questions based on what each individual is best at seems like good teamwork and exactly the kind of media training that is designed to help the celebrity in question navigate interactions with more confidence and clarity.
Personally I am not a person that separates an artist from their art. If someone ends up showing sides of themselves that i find offensive that little irked thought sits in the back of my mind in association with their name / face / voice and therefore is embedded in my perception of their art from that point forward. You'd think that would mean I'd prefer if they could all hide their terrible sides better so I could enjoy more art in blissful ignorance but honestly the idea that people utilizing their fame to bring attention to their chosen topics (because to be fair some famous people choose Not to. They choose to do their work and keep a strong separation from the rest of their life, and coincidentally minimize risk of exposing any less than desirable personality traits.) have to pass the gauntlet of 'maybe don't secretly be a fucking dick to people who are just being polite' with the blancing energy of 'absolutely tell that reporter they are being inappropriate when not respecting boundaries or treating you rudely' because we are happier to see authentic people, just you know, authentically Decent to other Humans as a BASELINE people.
I think that popular culture as a whole would actually benefit from that ultimately if it worked out that way since it would raise the standards for the art we consume, since people can never fully separate themselves from the art they make because it's made out of their experiences and perceptions.
But i also think that i would never want to be famous because that sounds incredibly invasive and terrible as a whole and if people don't get to feel comfortable being a regular human and be respected for setting healthier boundaries with the media then the system is really designed to reward the hide approach over everything else so I'm not holding my breath.
Thing is Rachel Zegler would get asked what makes the Snow White remake different and she answered truthfully, it wasn’t her just bringing it up for the sake of it. We all know that it’s a racial bias towards her rather than people being upset about another remake because if you looked at the people sending her hate I doubt most of them cared about a new Snow White movie. Hell, people were calling her ‘Snow Brown’. Rachel was unfairly and cruelly judged and the hate campaign against her was disgusting
I can’t decide if I like Chappell Roan or not; after having typed that out, it occurred to me that if it that ever got back to her, Madame would roll her eyes and grumble that she didn’t want me to like her, just buy her music and concert tickets lol
I understand that she’s not comfortable with pushy fans and flat out stalkers, and I’m glad she set up boundaries and people have respected them.
Lol no she just wouldnt care because she doesnt know you which is her whole point. Shes not a “madam” for saying its weird for fans to feel entitled to her like they know her and telling paparazzi to stfu - something someone should have done a while ago
@@katierasburn9571 You are right, as an unmarried woman she is MADEMOISELLE, not Madame.
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@@katierasburn9571who said that was the reason why she was a madame in the first place ???
I honestly don’t mind seeing the true nature of someone. I’d rather have a full understanding of who someone is than a mask they wear. I’m a fan of many and I love many people for their art and work but I try to keep in mind these are just other people. Like someone I meet at Walmart or work. They just got lucky or worked hard and grinded it out to get where they are at. Before they were known they were just like every other anonymous person we see casually.
Authentistic isn't a word, you mean authentic. Just thought you'd want to know 😊 great video 👍
one small thing id like to add: When you mentioned the miley cyrus disney controversy with her shoot back then were she was barely covered, it was about more than just the image not matching HM, she was also a minor.
i think the paparazzi, the reporters (some not all) and magazines need media training lmao
another great video. looking forward to seeing you get the subscribers and viewers this channel deserves.
Wow thank you so much for the support on the channel it truly means so much to me 🥹🫶
Great vid, totally agree with all the ramblings at the end lmao. Especially I've noticed that the perception of media training as a whole to the public has in recent years been kinda put down I guess?
You touched on it a bit in your video but it plays into the whole authentic vs non-authentic personality traits of artists and actors in the modern-age. Either way, very cool food for thought! Have an awesome day! ✨
P.S. Congrats on 10k subs! That's awesome!! 🎉
Great thoughts! The amount of rambling I have to cut out my videos is crazy 😆 you make some interesting points, thank you so much for you’re support and taking the time to comment, I’m so glad you enjoyed the video!
@@AbbieRee omg nooo, the ramblings are the best part, they’re really funny lol 😆
We better get rid of social media so that our artist doesn't screw up their personal life in front of the media
I think most people need a little bit of media training because most people are weird and some of the audience might not like the type of weird they are which i think is very understandable because the audience themselves are weird.....does that make sense? also nice video bro 🫡
Oh very interesting points! I do think that when it comes to a celebrity speaking their mind people just say it’s due to the lack of media training when that isn’t the case. Thank you for sharing your thoughts! I’m so glad you enjoyed the video ☺️🫶
It's shocking how some people think so little of how they make other ppl feel. It has nothing to do w/ fame but more your personality. Media training is basically there to have aholes pretend they are nice for 5 minutes.
On the Rachel Zigler thing....I'm not sure if it's because she just said more things that seemed to be bashing but Gal Godot even in your video said the "she's not going to be saved by the prince" line and I've never heard anyone say anything bad about her...
That said I don't know about all the examples but she is the one person people I watch has called out for needing media training.
And the thing is I think she actually was following her training. As far as things specifically about the movie anyways I think she was following Diseny's marketing plan and when it upset people Disney was able to hide behind her.
Let's be honest, the main reason Rachel Ziegler is getting crucified over this isn't lack of media training or lack of respect for Disney, it's racism. If Sydney Sweeney were playing Snow White and said the exact same things, we wouldn't be hearing about this.
Absolutely true. Most of the women who played live action Disney princesses were white (and/or where the same race as their character originally was) and most of them said basically the same sort of things Rachel did while promoting their own movie, but I don't think they faced the same level of hate and backlash that Rachel is getting now. Sure, people got upset, but they blamed Disney rather than the actresses, for the most part. Not even Emma Watson, who changed parts of the movie that people didn't want to be changed, didn't have entire videos dedicated to people bullying her.
They were mad at Rachel just for being cast at all, like they were with Halle Bailey, but then Rachel saying those things gave people an excuse for them to finally bash her even harder, because, "Oh, now we can bully her without being accused of being racist!"
I reckon RZ said a few things that seemed pretty poor - the suggestion that the male actors scenes would get deleted for example. But yes, there is undoubtedly a racial element to the criticism she received too.
I honestly don’t think so! I just think people dislike her way of talking about the original Snow White. It’s just boring to see these remakes ruin the whole plot and scream “ feminism” so blatantly at our faces while changing the whole story. If you dislike the story so much, why are you acting as the lead character in the first place?
I’m not so sure. I know people will still be mad about the race swap, and nobody wanted another remake in the first place, but if that interview never happened, I truly believe there would be less buzz about the movie
I said on another comment. Yes, there's racism in the middle. But you people say these words to defend against any criticism. Disney is professional in dodging any criticism of their IPs as racism or sexism. The reason why it matters in this case is because it is the fucking essence and name of the character, it is snow white. It is forced diversity. It shows they don't care about the original work, they only care about agendas and people don't like that. Even the dwarves were not really dwarves. To deny all of that and think it is simply racism, it's stupidity.
It is interesting that Blake tried to seem relatable and oh so feminist with that whole thing about "oh I wonder if they ask the men about the costumes" because, I don't know if you remember, there was that Avengers panel back in 2012-2013 or something where the interviewers asked all those cool questions about the male actors' coreography, personality, how do they get into character etc, and then ScarJo got "the rabbit food question" and she raised her voice against that, like "wow you ask all the men about acting, but with me you only care about my body and how I get into the catsuit?" and somehow that felt real and justified, while with Blake it doesn't.
I guess it's because Blake had already started the whole interview being rude as fuck (that interviewer can't have babies, as we later learnt, so congratulating her on her nonexistent bump was super insensitive) and ScarJo is just a generally more demure woman but anyway. Ever since I've seen that Blake interview I've wondered if anyone else associated it with that ScarJo answer!
I mean, with ScarJo she had a point, especially since her movie was an action movie and all of the questions regarding an action movie were never given to her. That was a valid reason to be annoyed. It's not about being demure (and, frankly, I side-eye that word nowadays), it's about her having a valid reason to be annoyed.
I don't know if that other movie was an action movie or nor, but it is annoying to not get asked the "what did you feel about the choreography?" questions when you make a non rom-com
the cool thing lately has been the younger gens (like in my example, jenna ortega) showing older gens (like my alltime favorite actress, winona ryder) that it’s still about promoting something well and showing good personality but that you don’t have to do whatever the press says to do anymore in order to be liked by your audience. i love it!
as for blake, everyone’s said everything i feel so i won’t go on and on. all i want to say, as a former fan and someone who never watched gossip girl while it was out but rewatched it about a million times in my 20’s 💀 (that’s not to mention some of her other older work)… i find it funny now, seeing what seems like her real personality, that she always seemed more genuine when playing a mean girl on GG than she did playing sweet serena. whereas prime bully blair, seemed more like a sweet girl than her in those private, heartbroken, sweet girl moments. leighton has never given us as much reason to think she is mean irl the way blake has done at least as time has gone on. and i’m NOT usually the one to compare a fictional character to a real person; i defend acting to the death. that’s why i said i simply found it FUNNY that i found blair’s innocent side seemed realer than serena’s innocent side, when serena didn’t do close to as awful stuff that blair did in the show. again i think it says something about the acting which can of COURSE be just great acting (it’s not like serena didn’t still seem real in those sweeter scenes, she absolutely did! which is why it actually maddened and confused me why i felt worse for blair in private than i did for serena. i did not get my feelings), i just find it ironic now. or is it coincidental? i think both could fit here. :)
I heard these days that managers are no longer investing time and effort in their talent, which means no more effort in media training etc. They just want you to go viral without considering your long term career. I'm not saying entertainers should sit idle when people treat them badly, it's just that they should be aware that they're entertainers, it's not that deep. They should be authentic for sure, but just not self-important or ego driven.
6:00 “...three essential qualities: 1. knowledge, 2. experience, 3. human warmth, and 4. authenticity.” 😐
No one should be told how to be professional or taught for that matter because its different for each individual its far too ridgid and has no room too allow people too be themselves the how it should is too have the best of both worlds personality and professionalism
Oh definitely great point!
There's a line that can be crossed, but if you have someone endorsing your product there should be an understanding on how they and you should carry yourselves. It's gonna be hard to find someone who fits perfectly without some conversation
Someone I’ve seen be referred to as having good media training is Harry Styles but I think he’s just really private and polite lmao
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Interviews are a two way street. I think someone celebs just get asked boring questions and on some occasions just offensive questions. I think having good media training comes in and helps dealing with situations like that. There are times were I feel like actors should just answer the Q's and move on, but it must be annoying to give the same answer over and over.
There are lots of jobs that require you to not say everything you’re thinking because if a public persona. It’s about thinking of others and considering the way you wish to be viewed.
I definitely want to have sympathy for Chapelle Roan. Everyone deserves respect and should be treated fair. However, I feel like she takes things too personal and doesn't have enough bravery to last in the industry.
She's young and she's learning. I hope she has a long, thriving career.
so, she's a human being that doesn't like being disrespected.
I would argue it takes more bravery to risk the backlash of the masses and speak your mind than just take the money and adoration and keep your lips zipped… i mean just look at what people are saying about her
@@Jennifer-my5dm Mm I want to agree and do to an extent, but feel like this statement is also in blind faith. If she did continue like this as her image, would you continue to follow her?
If it's a character through and through she's playing I could see that, but at this point characters and true personality are blending together with regular people becoming famous way easier.