Labour education mission is "their single most important policy” | Andrew Marr | New Statesman
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2024
- Andrew Marr discusses the three pillars of Labour’s education mission, what it means for Labour’s development, and Britain at large.
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Nearly three in five poll voters agree that “nothing in Britain works anymore” and a fifth believe “politics is completely unable to resolve any of Britain’s big problems”.
With a “palpable lack of hope in British politics” ahead of the election, can the launch of Labour’s education mission produce the hope this country needs?
Andrew Marr, political editor for the New Statesman, discusses the three pillars of Labour’s education mission: early years education, a richer curriculum, and a new deal for teachers.
He argues that “oracy” (encouraging kids to speak confidently and fluently in public) is a “really important engine of social mobility”.
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This brought tears to my eyes. Everything I have been striving for, indeed arguing for, for the last 40 years of my life is in this clip. Thank you.
Well said Andrew!🎉
Wow! Continue
It is rare for me to see a video which I totally agree with. This video was certainly in that small number. I agreed with everything Andrew said and hope the next Labour government stick to their significant ams for education.
well done Andrew. Brilliantly put.
I was at (state) schools in the 50s and 60s and I wasn't, in my working class northern environment, given endless opportunities to develop artistic (in the wider sense) skills and talents. There is a fair bit of rose tinted retrospection in that video of Andrew's. I did, however, have a university education with local authority grant.
Ironic that many of the teachers in service then will have been part of the emergency programmes to ensure enough teachers were in front of classes after the end of the Second World War, and will not have undergone the same level or type of training that became the norm by the 1970s. Many of them were excellent teachers, partly on account of having been well taught themselves. Discipline was too harsh in this period but the pendulum has swung the other way entirely in the last twenty years.
@@eightiesmusic1984 Yes, maybe the arts and music for everyone came a bit too late for me. I'm not complaining, merely stating my experience.
Here, here, bring it on ASAP.
It's all good stuff Andrew. But we all know that teaching profession isn't held in anything like the esteem it once was. Great teachers are a massive asset and deserve everyone's respect. I wish we could turn the clock back in that regard - as with everything else we can't. Society has become very fragmented and people have become selfish and callous. Perhaps the way it was planned ??
Way back in the day, there were four (in brackets five) middle class type ''professions'' that held the very fabric of society together & which the working class/ lower orders would ALWAYS do what they said or instructed & they were doctor, teacher, police officer/law enforcement, member of the clergy & of course with all the scandals over the years that have fallen these particular ''professions'', you would no more trust/believe what ANY of them said than fly to the moon & the fifth one was the bank manager & when in the 1960s & indeed into the 1970s, most of the working class did not have a bank account & those who did, lived in total financial fear of the austere & ever controlling branch bank manager......
I’m 25 years a teacher. We need more than respect. We need fewer prescriptions from central government and the power to decide the subjects and methods which best suit the communities we serve. We don’t need lectures on “oracy” from politicians and commentators who are so far out of their depth we could not find them with sonar.
@@scepticalsaint Unfortunately, education has always been the biggest political football - every politician thinks they know best or maybe they'd like to create a nice soundbite. Don't worry oracy will soon be forgotten, even though there seems to be this idea, which I do think is important, that private schools aim to build confidence in students from day 1.
@@scepticalsaint Eight million adults are functionally illiterate in Britain yet the teaching profession thinks it is doing a superb job. There is no excuse for students not being able to read and write to the expected standard by the time they start secondary school. Usually, those who cannot fail to catch up because they do not receive support. If primary schools did their job properly it would not be necessary to a large extent. Education is broken for many reasons. The calibre of new entrants to teaching has been sorely lacking for well over a decade, with honourable exceptions. Bullying by SLT is rarely mentioned as a key driver for lack of retention but it is a major issue in education. A 2019 survey by one of the unions showed a majority of teachers said they had witnessed or been the victim of bullying in the workplace in the previous two years. It will be worse now.
@@eightiesmusic1984 In 25 years I’ve never met a decent teacher who wasn’t plagued with self-doubt; I’d be very wary of any teacher who says they’re doing a great job. There’s just too many kids to help and always more you can be doing.
I’m also extremely impressed with the trainee teachers I’ve encountered.
Otherwise, I don’t have much issue with what you’re saying. I think wages are an issue that need addressed; but there are deep structural flaws in the system that the unions should prioritise. Too many experienced teachers are dropping out due to *meaningless* workload and a lack of autonomy. A wage rise is not worth ill health.
We urgently need to return to thinking of teaching as a vocation. That means making room for professional autonomy. And that means abandoning micro-management by SLT and SMT, fewer initiatives from ministers, giving Ofsted inspectors more flexibility and autonomy in how they inspect schools, and resourcing every teacher by rethinking how schools in less affluent areas are funded.
All of which was missing from Labour’s plan.
Andrew, thank you for seeking out hope. I so needed that. I hope Keir can successively navigate the middle ground. Personally I’m up for a programme of Citizen’s Assemblies tasked with the brief of how to change our political system designed to be more strategically long term, more representative and to be more cohesive. Maybe Andrew you should step up and help instigate a new future. Cheers.
I agree about the feeling of hopelessness/collapse. In the last year, apart from rail strikes, I've been affected by the passport office, NHS secretaries, the vehicle licencing lot &, to cap it, withdrawal of my NHS dentistry
All under the stewardship of the tory party.
@@royboy565the hopelessness is because Labour are not offering an alternative
Long term education and child care does affect everyone ...
For the better.
Shifting and strengthening social progress, giving people space to breathe and enjoy life brings optimism. Optimism for the last 13 years has been crushed from ever soul in Britain in favour of cruelty.
The sense of hopelessness comes from the First Past the Post system. Until we have a fair voting system, where ever vote counts and the result truely represents the voting population, we will forever be trapped with a choice between two poor options. Start with PR and the rest will follow.
We had a referendum on changing the voting system in 2011. It was firmly rejected by a 2:1 majority.
@@catpopeThat wasn't P R in the purest sense. It was alternative voting which Cameron knew was never going to be voted for. Clegg wanted P R where every vote counts.So if 5% of voting public vote for a party they get 5%of the seats Cameron was scared stiff of that system because it would mean the tories would probably never be in sole charge again. Not only that people can now see that fpp produces minority govts that do as they please with no one to stop them.
PREACH! I won't vote Labour until they back PR. I am no longer interested in brief Labour blips followed by a generation of Tory rule with the backing of 40% of the electorate.
@@catpope AV is not a form of proportional representation, and the British public were right to reject it. The Conservatives cleverly duped the (under-educated in this area) public into believing there had been a referendum on PR, but we have never had such a thing. In fact, AV often produces less proportional results than FPTP, and when you ask the public if they want a more proportional system they consistently and overwhelming say yes.
To those arguing that there was a referendum and that the subject of a fair voting system is closed, this is not the case. Holding that referendum, much like the one for the UKs EU membership, was a con job designed to silence a large and campaiging section of the electorate. Also, a mature society can revisit its decisions as many times as it likes. Denying this ability is undemocratic to say the least.
Thanks once again for this message. I could not agree more. Having taught in different countries I am able to appreciate the importance of the pillars you are suggesting. Mentioning creativity and the arts is something crucial since I believe that guiding people to be able to self express has profound effects not only in arts but in other areas of knowledge as well.
Music to my ears!
Thanks for posting
Very well put Mr Marr. I left the UK because of this academy merging bs 10 years ago.
The idea that the labour party will change Britain and the education sector is a long shot. The simple problem is you need 20 plus years of consistent policy making rather than the chopping and changing every couple of years that we have had.
We have had 13 years of shite not a couple.
@@royboy565 I would argue we have had 30 years.
We need good policies. Labour don't have them
yes and the Tories have them in boatloads...
This was a great video with some much needed optimism. I concurr with your statement on leadership, I much prefer leaders who have had to earn their position rather than buy it or through shady back-hand deals. Angela Rayner is a perfect example of this. It's going to be tough, but I think Labour can make things better for the people who power the UK.
Angela Rayner.
Private schools are a pox on English and Welsh society and educational system . The Labour Government support of academies was , distasterous, as was the lack of support for modern languages. The arts , music & languages are key to Wales and England's future , as are a good springling of debating, chess and coding. Our local School in Cricklewood Borough of Camden beat Eton and Belfast Methodi in debating a few years ago. It can be done. Quiet right Andrew Leave Scotland to its own devices with its failing SNP schools partially funded with Welsh & English money
Correct, correct, correct...
Literally insane education was ever thrown into the privatisation hole. It's bad enough our health was. I was at school when New Labour was doing all that and even as a young teenager I could tell things weren't right. I'm sorry, it doesn't work. The shareholder should not be the pre-eminent influence in such important matters
It doesn't matter WHO you vote for...
"The Government"...always get in.
😔
No that silly cliche.
The difference between an Atlle government and a Thatcher one is palpable.
That is where we are now.
*Like many, I was reaching out for the "but, Andrew" button.* But something stopped me. Although you did not say it, the sentiment has been evident here and in other clips. "We are where we are. It is here." That takes me to strands of both Japanese and Hindu philosophy that demand both a presence in and transcendence of 'present time' (shades of TS Eliot there!).
*The UK will not be set free of our recent or distant past "with one bound we are free!"* - for life is not like that. It is about the journey, or a garden if you will. Starmer's Labour must focus on the smaller deliverables. Things that can work, things that will be palpable and measurable. Not just managerialism, but really things that are the "peoples' priorities". Add to that some guts and ambition to drive change and keep faith and the pace going. In a decade or so, we may see a kinder, fairer, less hungry, less anxious country.
You have spoken about all the topics in this download I am concerned wih and agree with your conclusions. ps. miss you on Sunday mornings
It's all very good, but there are more important things in education right now. None the least is the number of children getting insufficient food.
I really admire that someone with such a privileged background can still care about those who haven't had it. I was losing the sense that this was possible.
His dad was a Toolmaker
Who are you saying has a privledged background?
Slimy Starmer?
He’s a working class boy who managed to go to some top schools due to hard work.
Sadly it seems the privledge and entitlement rubbed off on him later.
@@jonsmith5058 Starmer has definitely sold out since becoming leader of Labour
@@keithparker1346what do want him to do promise things you can deliver futhur alienating folks
@@TimesFM4532 what?
If Britain has a future it is with the arts, music and design, plus R&D and high tech at the forefront.
Right we all become artists and poets 😂
Nonsense- manufacturing is key. Arts are important but don't tell me a drama qualification is more important than a STEM qualification.
My wife is a ks1 nursery manager and this is the OPPOSITE of what children need, we don't need 5 year olds Infront of the black board, regurgitating what they're told and their intelligence measured only by that they can recite. We need children to be one with their environment, to make lasting and meaningful connections where trust and friendship matter. To teach them truth and not how to spin, or deflect or pivot.
It's private school chokehold on politics that has caused the precise problems that we are facing; the two tiered system where money buys you access. If Eton was so good at intelligence, why are all our politicians from there such abject, narcissistic idiots?
No offence James but you clearly have little knowledge about the lives of children from low income households. When they start school at five or six they are already massively behind their middle and upper class counterparts due to their home environment. By getting them in a positive environment from an early age , mixing with their peers and engaging with Education their life chances are greatly enhanced and the education gap closed
How do you help children from dysfunctional homes where dozy parents get most of their information from their silly mates on Twitter and soap operas?
Do parents view sending their children to school as a way to help them develop or as a way of getting rid of the kids for six hours a day?
How can a child send eleven years at school but is unable to spell or do simple maths without a calculator?
And then they breed.
@@testudohorsfieldii7052 The fundamental reason for poor educational outcomes is inequality. It is not even the quality of teaching although this is important, of course. Income inequality drives educational attainment, which is why the schools in affluent areas achieve the best results. It is little to do with class size either as is commonly supposed- research over a decade ago showed that it is only class sizes below 12 that make a difference to outcomes at secondary level. This, of course, can only be delivered by the private sector. One of many good reasons for abolishing it to remove its unfair advantage.
I really wish I could share Andrew's optimism regarding states schools under Labour. Keir Starmer, David Evans were both products of grammar schools. In place of having good grades to get into the best states schools you now need loads of money to buy a property within the catchment area resulting in driving up property prices...that's ok for the champagne socialist I suppose. I've even heard of parents doing the calculations and working out that it's cheaper to send their child to private school than move house. After the dismantling of the high standards of the Grammar schools, the public are still waiting for these good schools for all. Two grammar schools in Lambeth that were producing impressive alumni which made the switch to comprehensive have now closed down in 2023 due to becoming failing schools, one of them being a breading ground for gangs and falling pupil numbers.
The anxiety in parents in London to get their child into just a decent school puts parents into a panic mode. You have to be really strategic to get your child into a good school, let alone an outstanding school which there are not many off. Less schools rated outstanding than there were Grammar schools at it's peak. Even in the good schools large class size, teachers constantly managing disruption instead of teaching, teachers not motivated and leaving the profession is the norm. Labour has a lot to fix. Labour big idea is taxing private schools, which of course means the parents who struggle to send their child to a local independent school may now put their child into a state school that is already oversubscribed. I heard this extra tax will be spent on paying for extra maths teachers who will be trying to stop disruption and taking the focus of the kids who want to learn. I suppose we have to put our faith in Labour because the Other side have done nothing for ex amount of years. Education seems to be not important until we don't have the talent, innovators and skilled workforce to drive the economy and we need talent from other countries to fill the gap.
On oracy, I see the value, but it should be optional. I have such a fear of public speaking it is absolutely crippling. If I knew I had to do a speech at school I could not have one moment of happiness until it was over . My son is autistic and I suspect have some of his traits. A manager once asked me to conduct a training session at work and I politely said “no”.
It is worth undertaking Moro reflex exercises + Tomatis sound therapy the combination can massively change your sound processing skills and enable you to speak confidently. ruclips.net/video/iA7ExcwS-M0/видео.html&ab_channel=Fit2Learn The moro exercises will lower your voice box slightly and that makes it physically more comfortable to speak etc.
Fair enough but there is a wide need for it in a country where standards of literacy are so low and declining further. Oracy will give the majority more confidence although it is only one strand of enabling people to be able to communicate effectively. I was terrified of speaking in front of others for a long time but overcame in advance of teaching for nearly thirty years. I appreciate everyone is different and this should not be overlooked. I always avoided putting students ' on the spot' to answer questions as I never forgot what it was like to sit there hoping not to be noticed in a classroom. Shyness and reticence are frowned upon in schools and wider society and have been for years, when they should have been accepted and not seen as a personal failing.
The first target of authoritarian regimes is education. We need to make sure ours regains the reputation of being the best. And stop spreading the myth that teachers all get so much time off. They spend their evenings and holidays working or going ill from fatigue. Then the Tories blame them for knife crime or bad parenting.
EDUCATION: the single most important thing a country can do that will definitely change it's future for the better.
If you really want the best and brightest leading from the front then we should be copying the Finnish model for education.
The majority of children from wealthy backgrounds go to state funded schools and the 2% of private schools still follow the same curriculum as the state schools.
And those private schools are not allowed to charge fees. No school is if it leads to a formal qualification. They are funded from endowments and investments.
Also they, like the UK, have academic and vocational tracks that are mandatory from 16 to 18 but they are more flexible about students transitioning between tracks.
Another key difference is that from pre-school to university: Education is free as are school meals and school transport.
What you end up with is an education system that everyone can access and from the poorest to the richest are invested in the whole class performing well. This eliminates the old boys networks that start in the private schools and get carried from there to Westminster and the company board rooms.
Labour don't believe in anything like free school lunches...so good luck getting this
Correct about the Finnish model.
The UK electorate voted for optimism - unicorns & boosterism, in the form of Johnson.
All based on lies, and bruhaha.
Andrew Marr for Education secretary
The man should genuinely run to become an MP
I would fund private tuition vouchers for state educated primary school kids from low and lower middle income households.
Still wouldn't. Not with the Labour Party's open-borders policy.
Firstly they don't have an open borders policy, they have stated countless times it's a points based policy. Secondly look at the immigration total under this lot. Highest it's ever been and they have no plan just gimmicks.
I strongly disagree.
The most important thing, for any government, is the ECONOMY.
A strong growing economy allows you to make structural changes and spend money on things like education, health care, social care, infrastructure etc.
But Labour have adopted the Brexit Tory model of economics. And will just be limited to bragging how better to manage a declining country.
And why is the country declining? Because of Tory mismanagement. Maybe critical thinking should be taught
Education is the foundation stone of the economy. It should be the nation’s top long term priority if we are to build and sustain the economy and every other structure society relies on. The economy will almost take care of itself with a well educated society and well trained workforce, and we should not have to rob other countries of their talented people to do so.
@@michaelsandy3353the economy will take care of itself 😂 it's obvious that it doesnt
Define the Brexit model of economics.
@@keithparker1346 Self evident. Not a lot of deep thinking below the line here. The NS is hardly to the left- I have resubscribed for a year but after the subscription lapsed last month, I will not be renewing it. Cheerleading for Starmer's Labour without critical analysis does not suffice as far as I am concerned.
Admirable sentiments but so much is broken fixing education alone is not enough. We need a national recovery strategy to begin undoing the disasters of Tory governments. Climate, poverty, equality, human rights and on and on and on
He’s right.
The single most important profession in any society is teaching. Sadly, it is rarely the most prestigious or well paid.
I would argue farming is more important
@@keithparker1346 Or bowling. Crown green not the ten pin variety- too rambunctious for the genteel Tory shires of the imagined past.
'Oracy' has been in the educational lexicon since I qualified to teach, over forty years ago. I started teaching in 1979 and virtually every reform reduced the quality of UK education.The first nail in the coffin had been driven before I left school, with the creation of comprehensives. They simply have never worked for the bottom 40%, something that was obvious to me after a year or two of teaching. It has led to the mediocratisation of education - a matter of bell curves, really.
Abolish private and grammar schools or at the very least remove the charitable status of private schools. The comprehensive ideal is absolutely the right one in principle. Cite the evidence for the claim that comprehensive schools have never worked for the bottom 40%.
With my children i started very early to teach them read etc my mother never did i only started to learn at primery it had a life long efect on my life plus im dislext my spelling is not good but i was top in sience history etc maths english not good i hope labour put more into education 76 year old
Education is very important, as is paying for it, which requires a strong economy. Until we’re back in the single market (and then the EU), this is all pointless planning as our economy will just keep on a downward spiral.
Education, education, education, remember that 3 word slogan? Well it was valid then as it is now. However, it takes a generation for the effects to be truly felt. Long-term stable government is what's required and as long as we have a FPTP electoral system we will never have that and the flip-flop policy situation will continue. PR is the most important thing the Labour party can deliver in the national interest.
But Labour have rejected PR
I agree with allot of whats being said here by Andrew but as Maths teacher myself at one of the largest schools in country, there's not enough here that will help keep or recruit good quality teachers with a STEM degree. I know 3 people from my maths department who have left to earn considerably more (2 have gone to Australia to teach) in the last 2 years, and both their replacements were non-maths specialists without a degree in anything related to maths (History and Geography Degree respectively). There simply aren't enough candidates currently with the combination of mathematical/scientific and people skills to staff schools today with specialists, and I worry that soon it will just become accepted that being a STEM teacher doesn't mean you have to be a STEM degree at all.
'have a STEM degree at all'. Education is broken in Britain and it is not going to change at all for the foreseeable future. The problems are too complex because it has been allowed to reach the stage where the issues are too deeply entrenched to turn it around. The calibre of many teachers today is seriously wanting- this has been an issue for at least fifteen years.
I hope he's right
It is good to hear that the UK is trying to upgrade "public" education for the average citizen. When I say "public" I mean education for most people, excluding private schools like Eton which cost 35,000 British pounds per year. The average UK parent cannot pay 35,000 British pounds every year to send one child to school. The problem is the average citizen cannot pay teachers the compensation they deserve. Considering the enormous cost of public services and social welfare programs in the UK I do not see how Parliament can find more resources to pay for "public" education. Private schools charge parents more money to send their children to private schools so wealthy, upper class people can fund their children's education. I like the idea but it does sound like something voters want to hear but ignore the fact there is no funds to pay for it. If you can do it then great.
Yes. We need a new group of well-educated young people who can compete with all the entitled Tory toffs who dominate our political system.
Wouldn’t it be great if teachers, nurses etc only had to pay 10% tax (or less). It’d feel like an instant pay rise. I’m neither of those btw, I just think it’d be a way to solve part of the problem.
"Education, education, education". Tony Blair, 1997.
That was largely about expanding higher education. I hope that a plan for radical improvement from baby care and very early years education onwards will have a greater impact on opportunities for less advantaged children.
@@catgladwell5684 Let us hope that any future Labour government does not disappoint the way the last one did.
@@catpope Well, I hope something was learnt from the Iraq issue.
@@catgladwell5684 And the 2008 Financial crash, of course.
@@catpopeThe financial crash was due to a global banking crisis which led to Labour bailing out the banks at a cost of billions which then led to the jokey note of there is no money left. The deficit left was 851 billion it's now 2.65 trillion thanks to the great economic management by the tories.
Without any funding it's a pipedream and won't work 🤷♂️
What Labour will do by adding VAT to school fees will make people like me who struggled to send my daughter to a fee paying school not be able to afford it. So people will send children to State schools instead, adding more pupils to State schools and pay for additional after school tutoring. The very rich will still use fee paying schools but an awful lot of people like me won't be able to. It just won't work.
Why should people with money get a better education than those without the means.? Look at the state of the UK because our so called leaders went to a so called better school.
Surely you should encourage state schools to get more funding and have everyone have a better education rather than whinge that the privledge you’ve been exercising is ending cause you are one of those only just able to afford it instead of the super rich.
@@jonsmith5058 First of all I wasn't whinging, now it is obvious the money will be wasted and won't benefit anybody.
@@davidwiltshire6188 what a crab bucket mentality.
State funds are in dire need of funding, its only logical to learn on those going to private schools to help fund that need.
Why do you insist that is futile and a waste of money?
@@jonsmith5058 Just in case you didn't understand my comment I didn't say it was a waste of money rather that the money will be wasted elsewhere
People should have listen to Ken robbinson
We don't value anybody but "entrepreneurs" it's the culture Thatcher introduced and was reinforced by Blair.
Does this in any way involve any meddling with private education,probably the biggest determinant of privilege on earth?Of course it doesn't.Does it involve the imbalance of expenditure across the UK? You must be joking.Nearly £100billion on Crossrail would be hard to match in the grim Northern Powehouse.
Doesn't this all hinge on strong school discipline (and its enforcement) and the behaviour of entitled parents (who think little Ryan or Anne-Marie do no wrong?). Too much indiscipline by kids and too much acceptance by adults of this type of behaviour is what spoils school life.
we are going to have to be patient, starmer's inheritance is going to be absolutely atrocious. they will need 10 years and as a public we mustn't throw a tantrum because the country doesn't transform overnight.
They could have 50 years but implementing neoliberalism is not going to change anything. It is astonishing ( or perhaps predictable) the number of people who do not understand that it is the root cause of every problem in society and the economy.
No it isn't -- The Single most important is fixing the economy, which begins to fix the most significant challenges for this nation. Sorry to disagree with you Andrew. Education is important - but I'd slide that further down the list.
The UK has improved in the Pisa league tables since 2010. So Britain is judged stronger today internationally on education than when Labour were in power. Not that the teacher unions will be shouting that from the rooftops even though teachers should be proud of such improvements.
Yes, but the improvements post 2010 would be a result of policies enacted in the previous decade. PISA tests are given to 15 year olds, so you’re measuring 10 years of schooling
(Except, you aren’t. 10-20% of educational success is attributable to schooling. The rest is due to genetics and social environment. That’s one of the most stable results in social science).
The problem is that PISA leagues are taken far too seriously by those outside education, probably because we look at them as a league table. They are one useful source of information. Education is a complex system; success is measured indirectly, by both quantitative and qualitative measures.
@@scepticalsaintStandards of literacy in secondary school are definitely in decline in the last ten years. There are many reasons for this. Poor behaviour and disengagement has been a growing issue for about 15 years despite the nonsense that it is solely due to Covid. Education in most countries around the world has probably returned largely to normal in the last eighteen months but in the UK Covid is being used as an excuse to explain away issues that schools are incapable of dealing with. While I disagree with many of the methods of the Michaela School, its results are remarkable. The extremely muted response of the educational establishment to its achievements speaks volumes. If its results had been disappointing there would have been wall-to-wall coverage and plenty of gloating. Students spend 80% of their time outside school, hence the impact it has on attainment is limited by definition. Income inequality is the key determinant of outcomes but this incontrovertible truth is not even part of the discussion. No wonder, given that Labour and the Conservatives are wedded to the neoliberalism that explains this.
@@eightiesmusic1984 I think we’re pretty much in agreement.
I suppose what I’d add is I’d never try Michaela’s methods in my school- or most schools- it doesn’t mean that those aren’t good methods for the specific pupils Michaela serves. Teaching isn’t a mass industry, because each context is unique and many important outcomes resist measurement.
@@scepticalsaint Their focus on high standards enables the teachers to do their job, which is what they are paid to do, without dealing with all the baggage that comes with the poor behaviour accepted in so many schools. It is one of the factors causing teachers to leave due to lack of support from SLT and the word of parents/ students being taken at face value with a presumption it is correct. The overwhelming majority of teachers are professional and conscientious in how they carry out their duties. Even if a small percentage of Michaela's methods was adopted or even adapted in every school, it would go a long way to reducing poor behaviour. An OFSTED report in 2014 found that in some schools a day of learning per week is lost due to so called low level disruption. In the best classrooms there is almost no low-level disruption, thus enabling everyone to learn.
Charge fee paying schools vat & use that money to support state schools
Indoctrination, Indoctrination, Indoctrination.
Statistical literacy and basic data analysis skills, need to be taught to everyone, to improve politics in this country. And foreign language lessons need to start at a much younger age. Spanish should be prioritised over french, as it's spoken by many more people world wide.
Critical thinking needs to be taught as it is in France. Most people in Britain are incapable of conducting a reasoned discussion. The inarticulacy underpinned by the inability to think in depth of most under the age of forty is glaringly obvious.
The labour should educate people 60+ who constantly vote to destroy this country.
The people don't give a hoot. They don't care if your main policy is to make us all wear hats. You're not the Tories, in the same way that Biden, utterly divorced from his marbles and decent but palpably senile, isn't Trump. When that's the alternative, we'll vote for anything else.
We've had 15 general elections in my lifetime. Labour won only 5 of them (two of them taking place in the same year!) and none of them were victories gained simply by being not their opponents.
Lol - after all that.... "brought to you by a wealth management company". Good video apart from that 🙂
Absolutely. Well said AM. There is a palpable sense of despair and hopelessness around, “nothing works anymore” is a common refrain I hear in Yorkshire. We need some real change and hope…….we won’t get it from this tory government, they have completely failed the UK. Labour aren’t perfect, but they are hundred times better than the dreadful crew currently at the helm of the sinking ship that is Britain in the 2020’s.
We won't get it from Labour either. They have already prepared their excuse for not doing anything and that's fiscal responsibility 😂
How is Labour better when it is committed to the same policies as the Conservatives? You do not have to look far for articles highlighting this in The Guardian, which is not exactly committed to democratic socialism. Its publication of a large number of articles critical of Corbyn underlines this.
This was a good piece but see Phil Moorehouse on 'A Different Bias' because The New Statesman is generally pretty pathetic--though it always was since I first read it in the 50's. Never a patch on The Daily Herald.
NS has been on board with 'new' Labour since Blair. I won't be buying it again as there are so many holes in many of the arguments put forward in some of its articles that it is not worth wasting the 20 minutes it takes to read the majority of the articles.
It is an insult to people from deprived backgrounds to suggest that their life would be better if they learned to "talk propper"
No it isn't, it's stating facts. Facts are people with more money get a better diet and education and better life chances, Starmer is trying to change that.
@@royboy565 Starmer is not interested in anything apart from making Keir Starmer PM. Beyond that I have no idea what he is about. Making Brexit work? Making trickle down economics work? Anything that doesn't involve rocking the boat it seems.
@@royboy565let's take better diet. Starmer is against free school lunches
Sounds like you may have read Raymond Williams once upon a time...
He makes a better argument than Robbie Williams.
how does labour intend to change education in UK when it is devolved? in other words once again they mean England not UK, fine but p,ease be accurate. seems labour need educating on constitution first.
''A disciplined environment from the age of .... ONE?'' Did I get that right? Unfortunately, Education Ministers have any knowledge of pedagogical development, or rather, HUMAN development, to understand how damaging 'early learning', e.g. forcing 3-year-olds to read, can be. There is no recognition that at different stages of a human being's growth, entirely different EXPERIENCES are required to become a fully rounded and balanced person - emotionally, psychologically and (dare one say this in our epoch?) spiritually. The importance of play and social interaction in the first seven years, and arts and crafts or music, for example - nothing said there at all, as one comes to expect. I see between the lines of this speech, once again, following Michael Gove's 1950s nostalgia and other Ed Ministers, the ghost of Mr Gradgrind so lampooned by Dickens in Hard Times - a dark satire of John Stuart Mill's materialistic functionalism. There, 'childhood' is not an experience to be appreciated in its own right, but is seen only as a preparation for an adulthood at the end of the manufacturing process - hence, the widespread belief that computers must be introduced as early as possible, 'because they will need this in their workplace'. This has worked so deep into the British psyche that the same social sickness is seen repeated decade after decade.
The role of 'Education Minister' should not be one of interfering with curriculum, but to trust the trained professionals who work with children who know what they are doing - but of course, their training in turn needs to be astute in what IS a human being ... which is not a piece of biological machinery. Teachers are walking out in part because of the excessive testing and exam-centred system, which for anyone who has been a teacher, is not 'teaching' as such and leads to more and more bureaucracy and marking... not to mention the tyranny of OFSTED and its dictats homogenise the entire country. Andrew Marr finishes however, with a ray of hope: it is indeed true that the 60s and 70s offered a lot more creative space in a classroom than I witnessed my own children experiencing in the C21st, in which the thrill of actually reading a book had been denied them for the sake of academic analysis, art had become package design (not a bad thing in small doses, but too much of it inhibited the imaginative faculties), and science seemed to have less on-hands experimenting and far too much dense memorisation in a 'General Science' book that was dense with wordiness and sparse in pictorial interest.
Will good to have government with a sense of purpose again. I don’t think anyone knows what the point of the current government is, including those in it. This is going to be the Tories problem for the next few years. They sold us a pup with Brexit and cannot agree on anything much as far as l can see. It’s not as if they can claim to be competent, good with the economy and offer stability
What purpose does Labour have? No one knows their policies and all we see is Labour backtracking on everything saying they cannot do it because...
@@keithparker1346 improved educational opportunity and more housing. You have not been paying attention
@@jontalbot1 more housing is bullshit as it would directly contradict Starmers vision of 70% home ownership. Education maybe but this is a party which doesn't believe in free school meals
The divide between state and private schools continues to haunt us. But having state education ape the public schools is no way forward. Early years education plays a vital role, but not by leading young children towards 'reading and counting'. Countries like Finland that outperform us on international league tables allow children to learn through play up to the age of seven. Before we speak of a narrow 'Tory curriculum' let's remember which party first imposed the literacy and numeracy hours on primary schools. Andrew's message hints at more centralised control over education. Instead, we need an integrated National Education Service led by teachers, just as the National Health Service is led by medics. The experiment of centralised control by government apparatchiks over a fragmented, market-like education system has failed. Time to try a fresh approach.
Education should be independent of political control. Academisation was designed to undermine and remove the role of local authorities in education in the most significant act of centralisation ever seen. It was sold as local democratisation of the system but it is self evidently the opposite. It is surprising you do not appear to realise this. It is correct that the Finnish approach to starting primary school later is the right one.
@@eightiesmusic1984 Spot on! Absolutely right, I must admit, I completely overlooked academisation, didn't I? It was quite the grand centralisation scheme, though not quite as monumental as the National Curriculum, if you ask me. It was all part of a misguided market-driven strategy, believing that letting parents pick and choose 'independent' schools (i.e. academies) would magically boost achievement for everyone.
But of course, what we've ended up with is a right mess! Our education system has splintered into countless pieces, wreaking havoc especially on the underprivileged. It's a right shambles, don't you think? That's not how we should be running a service meant for all. Bloody mess! But will Labour learn the lessons or continue to believe that more centralised control and local fragmentation is the way forward?
@@Tybourne1991 I doubt Labour will reverse academisation as it is committed to the role of the market, including in health care. Labour started the process with schools but it was limited to some parts of London in order to drive up standards. The Tories under Gove gave it rocket boosters and turned it on its head. It became ideologically driven as a means to undermine local authorities owing to the predictably tedious and erroneous belief that they were inherently left wing. Not sure what is left wing about fixing a boiler or servicing the lights but reds under the bed are everywhere to the Conservatives. Some academies have raised attainment from a low base but the claims that the reforms have raised standards overall are bogus. When I started teaching the NC was in its infancy and there was a lot of disquiet about it constraining teachers from offering the broadest possible curriculum, especially in London where ILEA had recently been abolished. The reason- you guessed it, too left wing!
@@eightiesmusic1984 I worked in the education system in Saskatchewan, Canada for six years. It's the only place in North America to have ever elected a socialist government! There they had an 'Evergreen Curriculum' written by teachers. Which performs best on international league tables e.g. for reading- England or Saskatchewan? Saskatchewan of course!
@@Tybourne1991 I did not know that about Saskatchewan but I am not surprised the curriculum was effective. Ideology trumps evidence most of the time in Britain, which is why it performs so badly relative to many countries in different fields. The Finnish model is correctly identified as highly successful but education policy in Britain is a million miles away from replicating it. Ironic that if Bernie Sanders had won the nomination in 2016 for the Democratic Party, he would probably have become the first socialist President of the United States. He would have received the nomination but for the fact that Hilary Clinton was chosen over him. She was the wrong candidate to defeat Trump.
Andy no matter how hard you try, Keir isn't going to get over, sorry. It will unravel by the election, and its started already
Starmer has managed to avoid public criticism so far but certainly in RUclips circles many left wingers have woke up to the fact that Starmer is terrible. I suspect it may dent Labours forecasted landslide victory but not by much.
I will not be voting Labour regardless
Streeting will be the executioner of the NHS. Great video though Andrew
Nonsense. The execution of the NHS is taking place right now and Streeting and Co. will have a real job on their hands to revive it.
@@royboy565why would Streeting revive it when he has taken many donations from private health care companies?
@@royboy565 Funding is the issue. Put the money in and most of its problems will go away. With Labour committed to making the same mistake as Brown in a far more benign economic climate preparing the ground for little to no extra spending, nothing will improve without the injection of cash to fund the NHS at the same level as France, Germany and other European countries. Brown stuck to Tory spending plans for the first two years ( an error to appease the markets and bogus accusations of fiscal irresponsibility by the Tories and the client media) but then the money poured into health ( and education), reducing waiting lists and increasing public satisfaction. The NHS was one of the most efficient health services in the world relative to its resources. No sign Labour is willing to follow the Keynesian economics needed to reboot large parts of the economy. Borrowing was 200% of GDP under the Attee government- today is at 100%. Plenty of room for manoeuvre but not when Labour believes in balanced budgets at all costs.
Marr forgets educational failure under Blair and New Labour on the totally impartial PISA international league tables
as UK slumped from a brilliant 4th in 1997 UNDER THE TORIES to an abysmal 21st in 2010 UNDER LABOUR. Impartial tables which don't lie.
Check the record you will find that the UK has been in a similar position in these tables since 2006.Many countries hop in and out of this league so it's quite meaningless.
@@royboy565 From 4th to 21st, that's a shocking Labour failure...that's what they've been good at since 1945. FAILING!
Thanks to Tories, UK back up to 12th.
@@malthusXIII-fo3epAgain check the records and how they are compiled then you will see how wrong your claims are.
@@royboy565the equivalent of saying Google it
@@royboy565 You're a left-wing fantasist making it all up as you go along. For years, Singapore was consistently No. 1...they never suddenly slumped to 18th position.
UK PISA slump occurred WITH A LABOUR GOVT....face the truth.
Too late, it's all too late.
Labour will certainly have to turn the proverbial tanker round, but they have to be given the chance, and popular support. Defeatism will certainly not improve matters. However, if by some evil circumstance the Tories do get in again, we certainly will be doomed.
@@catgladwell5684 It is too late because Labour is neoliberal and supports the same policies as the Tories. of course it is too late. No amount of wishful thinking will change that. Just like the drastic action ( in the context of the time) that had to be taken by the Attlee government to reverse the impact of the war and the twenty years of disastrous Tory government ( apart from nine months in 1924 and 1929-1931) that preceded it.
@@eightiesmusic1984 Labour's first term at least will have to focus on economic recovery - health, education, employment. It would be inappropriate and frankly dishonest if the current shadow cabinet took up the cudgels of every socialist cause that gets thrown at them by interviewers while we are in the mess the Tories are leaving us. The Tories don't care about ordinary people - at least Labour do. It's not ideal, I know.
@@catgladwell5684 If Labour is committed to the same policies as the Tories, which it is, it cannot serve the interests of the majority. While I understand the rhetorical caution in the context of a hostile media ( it was ever thus going back to the first Labour government of 1924), the problem is that the Starmer iteration of Labour means it. The name on the door will change but the policies will remain the same- the ruling class and the public at large ( most of whom do not even see the problem as neoliberalism because it is so embedded in every aspect of society and economy) have to reject the system that has widened inequality since 1979 for there to be any chance of living standards and life chances improving for the majority. I see no prospect of that happening- Thatcher converted Labour and described 'new' Labour as her greatest triumph. She was right- we live in Thatcher's Britain, which Starmer can be relied upon to continue. Tell me I am wrong in five years and I will be the first to admit it- I have spent my entire life hoping against the evidence for a better society but I know it is no longer possible in Britain because the preconditions have been removed comprehensively.
@@eightiesmusic1984 I read your impassioned reply, as a socialist at heart, with some sympathy, but pragmatism tells us we are where we are. We are a year away at least from seeing manifestos for the next election, and until then I am afraid I have to trust in the party I have been a lifelong member of. At least I see Labour members, both front and back bench, speaking with empathy and anger when confronting the sheer villainy of the current Tories in the HoC. They are worlds apart in every way.
Who remembers Blair saying "education, education, education"? No wonder politicians are held in such contempt. Hot air, hot air, hot air Blair. Can we truly expect anything better Starmer and co?
at best you can expect a lot of sloganeering and false promises from Starmer.
@@baruni27Whereas you can always trust the tories. Just look how wonderful things are in the UK after their governance.
@@royboy565 why do you assume a critique of Labour equates to a commendation of Tories. get this two party domination out of your thought process.
OK, check who has governed us over the past 100 years...... Tory about 2/3rds Labour 1/3rd.That is never going to change under FPP. A fact you cannot dispute.
@@royboy565 there are parties that support proportional representation and that’s where my vote is going
Bla
You have to laugh. Starmer's vision, his grand mission, is to ... "make kids speak right". Is that so we can have more overconfident talking heads like Marr and James O'Brien, or smug know-nothing fools like Cameron, Johnson, Gove et al. foisting their barely half-baked ideas on the world (but doing it ever so confidently)?
The confidence displayed by public school alumni is nothing but a thin veneer over their absolute incompetence. They should NOT be a model for how a country develops it's youth.
It's pointless discussing that though because of the inevitable U-turn ...ahem, I mean "scaling back due to economic realities".
While we wait for that, let's be very clear:
Starmer is a chancer and a conservative.
His government will govern according to conservative principles and there is very little difference between what a Sunak government are doing and what a Starmer administration would do.
A Labour government will "reform" public services, largely by cutting investment, and protect the interests of the very rich. That's it. That's what Labour's "ambition" can be reduced to.
People like Marr can prattle on about Starmer's sense of purpose, his working class background, and even spout ridiculous garbage about reviving "Cool Britannia" but it won't change the reality of the situation. Whoever wins in 2024, it'll be business as usual.
(By the way, here's a thought. If this works and everyone becomes a super confident Boris Johnson clone, who will be left to doff their caps, tug their forelocks and enact the will of these smooth-talking, confident go-getters?)
@@simonkapadia7582lol what pompous crap you've written
@@simonkapadia7582 It is not incoherent. You demonstrate confirmatory bias in that you have objected to the comments because they do not match with your own preconceptions. Teach critical thinking in schools and there will be more people able to challenge the consensus as part of the debate. Your response is embarrassing.
It’s this sort of commentary that makes me give up hope.
Which experts was he talking to??!!! Honestly, I wanted to vomit listening to this uninformed bilge.
We know that the quality of schooling accounts for 10 to 20 per cent of differences in educational outcomes; the rest is down to individual and factors. The idea that “oracy” classes will have an impact on social mobility is ludicrous.
Outside think tanks and private companies, the informed consensus in education is that there is far too much central control from ministers who are far too reliant on fashionable experts. Education needs to be placed back in the hands of practitioners- teachers.
The consensus in the social sciences is - if you want social mobility, you aren’t going to achieve it by focusing on curriculum or methodology. Poverty hamstrings kids from the start. You need to redistribute resources in the system.
It’s labours most important policy for the minute but wait until tomorrow morning and they will u turn like a whippet😂
It’s not just the Torys that are causing the dismal political outlook.
I wouldn't want to be in KS's shoes. His task is enormous but at least he'll give it a go, unlike the Cons. who prefer division and culture wars.
@@davidcarr2216he will give it a go😂 he's backtracked in basically everything he's promised and Labour have already prepared their excuses for not doing anything...fiscal responsibility 😂
@@keithparker1346 You seem to think that KS is an idiot. Do you really think that that JC are any other politician has all the answers AND the financial means to do what they want ? Vote for the Greens or the LibDems and see what happens.
What is labours?
Private educated telling us about, how us normals should be educated in our low security institutions which we call the state schools. I was educated in Catholic one, an institution that protected incompetence and paedophiles.
1. Intelligence is genetic. Kids at Private and Public schools are smarter than those at state schools. It is just an obvious fact. If your parents are a doctor and a lawyer, chances are, you will be smarter than a kid whose parents live off the dole or do low paid work.
2. Instead of raising kids from state schools up, Labour want to bring kids in Private and Public schools down. Reduce the number who can go by increasing taxes. The politics of envy.
3. If your parents speak well, you will speak well. It has nothing to do with the school you go to.
Labour doesn't want to raise up those on the bottom. All its policies are about dragging everyone down so everyone is equally poor. You don't reduce poverty by making it impossible to get rich. Stop with all the 'tax the rich' nonsense.
Labour don't plan to ban private schools just to stop the tax fiddle.Its called fairness not envy.
@@simonkapadia7582 Imagine being so poorly equipped to hold a debate, that you have to post youtube comments into chatGPT to generate responses. 🙄
Can you stop backing this wet fish please.