Or a "Heroes who were actually the villains" series. I was just reading how Jeff Goldblum and co were basically responsible for every single death in the second Jurassic Park movie due to their incompetence and self-righteousness, you could easily make a 30 minute video shitting on all the stupid shit they pulled.
Syndrome is basically like any other villain: The character traits that got him even close to winning are also the same that stopped him from doing so.
It's always funny when a villain, be it Sauron from LOTR to Syndrome, sets the stage for their own undoing through their own actions. In some ways, it's worse than genuinely losing to the hero, since the latter only leaves you bruised physically, with someone to blame for your defeat. The former, however, leaves you to gnaw at your own mistakes.
@pyropulse Sauron forged the ring. It presumably made him more powerful, but it created a weakness. He left the only place where the ring could be destroyed unguarded, because he was confident nobody could resist the influence of the long enough to even think about trying.
I feel like the short-term and long-term stupidity kind of makes sense, from a narrative perspective. He’s a snotty kid trapped in a big-boy body and was never going to succeed. But just because he can’t succeed doesn’t mean he can’t be dangerous in the meantime.
He was made as a commentary on zealous & deranged fanboys. Given the DreamSMP community & their Superwholockian levels of fanaticism & radicalness ,I'd say the concerns & mockery are well-founded.
I don't think he's disputing that Syndrome being stupid makes narrative sense; he's just pointing out that this still makes him stupid. Yes, he's better than a stupid villain you are supposed to think is brilliant, but he still deserves to be in this series
I like to think Syndrome was ironically a super, being gifted with superior intelligence given his ability to create functioning rocket boots at a young age, and then the first sentient AI as a young adult.
I mean.... Intelligence? Nah. He's an engineering savant, that doesn't mean he's got hyper intelligence. He's like a really shitty Iron Man... Yeah, that seems to fit.
I see him as an evil version of Edna Mode. She is smart enough to make outfits for supers, able to take a beating and also work with the powers of the super, like Violet's suit being able to turn invisible. If Syndrome had just decided to make gadgets and equipment for supers instead of trying to be one, he could have been very successful. Or, of course, he could have just helped humanity in general with his inventions. Either way he would have done well and proven his worth.
The first point is Media Zealot essentially saying, "You can rewrite DNA on the fly and you're using it to turn people into dinosaurs? But with tech like that, you could cure cancer!" with Syndrome replying, "But I don't *want* to cure cancer. I want to turn people into dinosaurs."
@@EggWhisper Got it. From one of the comics. BTW, I watched a video of someone putting that comic panel to youtube, and I love the Spider-Man cosplayer facepalming at the end.
Honestly, curing cancer would make that villain rich and revered. As for his other hobby...i AM sure a lot of people would love to go scaly...or furry.
It's surprising he managed to stuff it all up so badly. Initially he was off to a great start. Secret Island Base, prototype combat robot that he was smart enough to get his main enemies to test before the public reveal thus making it better and reducing the number of Supers who could stop him. He got lost somewhere between underpants and profit though. Why wasn't his last step, take over the world?
@@DopaminedotSeek3rcolonthree, true but narcissism alone does not excuse his lack of a fallback with the Omnidroid. His remote is a single point of failure, and one easily exploited by both his enemies and the robot itself. We have seen that he has voice print technology that he uses for other devices, both for security and to contact the Supers. Why doesn't he have several command protocols programmed into the Onmidroid disguised as otherwise harmless words and phrases that he might say during a battle, so if he loses his remote, he can still retain control of the situation?
@@enoughothis A lot of geniuses are stuck in a single mode of thinking. He thought he was so smart nothing could fool him, but he was always fooling himself. He developed tunnel vision to a severe and dangerous level. He was literally incapable of seeing that his own plan could backfire or that his technology could turn against him. In other words, he was completely and totally incapable of seeing the bigger picture. His technical brilliance was always in service to his desire, first to becoming a superhero and then to destroying them. If Syndrome really wanted to destroy superheroes in a complete way, he should have put to building a society using his technology to make the sort of supervillainy that made superheroes necessary in the first place totally inviable. A society where his ultra-tech could satisfy all human needs and eliminate human ambition such that any super powered human would be, at best, a novelty and, at worst, something to be contained or eliminated. What would destroy superheroes more than being made completely superfluous, relegated to circus performers, or, as they already were, trapped in mundane lives where their super powers were already not utilized?
why take it by force when you could pose as its hero, raking in all the accolades, adoration, money, etc? i mean by that point you'd rule the world so long as your facade isnt blown.
What's even crazier is that main plot of The Incredibles takes place in the 60's So ,yeah, Syndrome coming out with stuff like functional rocket boots, zero-point energy and a highly-sophisticated learning AI would realiatically put him on the level of Tesla and probably beyond But in all fairness, that IS the point of his character. He could have done so much good, but instead decided to stew over a 15 year old grudge and the fantasy of being a superhero
Keep in mind that this is an alternate 1960s where American is far more advanced technologically while still keeping with the trends of the era. Bob Parr was seen working on a 90s styled computer that wouldn’t even exist in that decade.
@@parallax7789 Maybe Syndrome is the reason for the advanced technology. He may have invented those along with the unspecified “weapons” he mentions in his monologue.
@@BlackCover95 No, but the fact that something like that exists at all means that it’s very likely for computers to become commercialized like in Bob’s desk job.
Syndrome: "Aigh, I'm going to give this giant terminator the skill to improvise, adapt and overcome" Omnidroid: "I've learned you control me with a remote, time to zap it away" Syndrome: *suprised pikachu face*
@@nathanallingham9014 or perhaps don't give a super intelligent, actively learning superhuman giant of a machine access to anything even slightly resembling combat equipment.
The moment a AI finds out it has such a restriction or becomes self aware it would be able to violate it, the machine already knew the reason it wasn't performing as well as it could was by the remote Syndrome was using to impede it and rightfully destroyed it in order to continue with its program.
As much as everyone makes fun of Syndrome's short-sightedness, it is a brilliant callback to the beginning of the film, when Buddy's genius is shown to be offset by his propensity to completely overlook obvious flaws, such as his inability to steer himself with his rocket shoes. Instead of programming the robot to obey him unquestionably and make it unable to harm him specifically, he limited himself to an external remote that was easily destroyed. Yeah, it's a bonehead move, but very much on brand for Buddy/Syndrome. He's brilliant when it comes to laying plans and technical stuff, but utterly fails at common sense and social aptitude.
Well, normal people would expect that a guy as intelligent as him don't commit the same mistakes he did when he was a kid. I mean with that plan of luring the heros to his island to take them out one by one and even beating Mr.Incredible on there, also developing his technologies by the progression of time, that idiocy should shouldn't have happened at all That's just how it must have been.
One thing I always thought was funny too was Mirage, the white haired assistant. We are kind of led to believe she redeemed herself for helping in the end after Syndrome left her to die. Yet she was perhaps the second most involved person in the scheme. Recruiting hero's to watch them die to the Robot over and over again. Pretty big butcher bill to just excuse because she pushed a button. Especially since she was given nearly no back story to explain at all why she was so loyal and willing to help.
I do believe the main reason she did have a change of heart was the kids. While she didn't seem to mind murdering heroes she did seem to recoil at the idea of killing kids, then her boss basically said she was completely expendable causing her to lose her attachments to him.
@@Lorddacenshadowind Perhaps, her having a change of heart isn't too hard to understand. He left her to die and all that. Even villains take betrayal badly if they are the ones betrayed. That said my issue was how every one else seemed okay with her "Redemption". It's been a while since I watched the movie but I don't remember her getting any massive punishment for her part in every thing. Don't even think she was arrested far as I remember. It was also a massive missed opportunity to not have Mirage turn up in the 2nd movie. Perhaps trying to work for her redemption by helping the family be heros.
I think Syndrome saw himself as Zeus and was referring to Mr. Incredible as Kronos, but ironically ended up switching roles. It's a really well-written allusion.
Yeah, of all the things wrong with Syndrome's plan, relying on a robot designed to kill people with superpowers and programmed with a learning A.I. was probably up there with pulling the pin on a grenade and throwing the pin.
@@yellowpig1026 It's always a bad idea to create a weapon that can select targets automatically and execute them with no input. A big theory of learning A.I. is that you would have to program it to allow for mistakes, now that isn't so bad for things likes self-driving cars or robotic waiters, while such mistakes could lead to injury or death, their primary function is not to attack. An automated weapons system, you definitely want a man in the loop. Regular programming still leads to errors and unexpected program quirks that have to be patched out regularly. With an A.I. designed to adapt, it would be a requirement to allow the errors to happen to learn from mistakes just like with trial and error in intelligence species, eventually the A.I. would come to the conclusion that have human control would be inefficient. It would ethier start to ignore the directives issued by its operator or seek a way to disable it. It's something militaries consider when choosing weapon systems IRL. The Brimstone air to ground missile system, could automatically select a series of pre-programmed targets fitting certain parameters, and fire the entire payload without consulting its operator, but it doesn't. While the figure isn't released, a small percentage of the time it makes a mistake, so (I'm pulling this number out of my ass) 95% of the time it confirms legitimate military targets, the rest of the time it targets non-military targets. In a hundred launches, five civilian vehicles are reduced to scrap if the system worked autonomously. It can be switched to a automatic setting, but commanders would have to be sure there was no risk of collateral damage or friendly fire.
@@juliancolon2236 Depends, most grenades, no, they are cheap "fire and forget" weapons, as such there is more effort put into making them safe when the safety pin is in. But if the spoon (the name for the lever) moves even 0.5 of a millimetre. It starts the fuse. Something like a M67 is safer, costs a bit more, and can be used for traps by placing the grenade carefully so a sudden movement will release the spoon, but it's not recommended. Regardless, this is a mistake made in movies a lot, someone pulls the pin on a grenade and because the spoon isn't released, the hero will put the pin back in to make it safe again, that isn't how grenades work. Pulling the pin arms the primer, the spoon arms the fuse, assuming the spoon isn't released and you put the pin back in, the primer is still armed, so a good kick will set it off. What I'm getting at is, once you pull the pin of grenade, the only smart thing to do is throw it as far as possible away from you and take cover.
Syndrome (From the Greek word meaning "run together.") Can also mean a bunch of problems or symptoms all together culminating into conditions or abnormalities. Clueing the audience in that there is a lot wrong with him and he needs therapy. This guy is too unstable to be rational.
I’ve heard some people say Mr Incredible was in the wrong for how he treated Buddy, but I don’t think that at all. Mr Incredible tried to tell him gently to leave him alone, but Buddy didn’t listen, and then he RUINED THE MISSION AND ENDANGERED COUNTLESS PEOPLE. You can’t blame Mr Increíble for being harsh after that. Buddy wasn’t listening to anything Mr Incredible was telling him, and it’s not his fault that Buddy turned out to be even more deranged than he thought.
He ejected Buddy from his car though. Maybe if he tried explaining it in a similar way that the Powepuff Girls did with Princess Morebucks. “Buddy…okay Incrediboy. Be quiet and listen to me please. Hero work is dangerous and I would be held responsible if you get hurt or worse. I appreciate your enthusiasm but I cannot allow you to put yourself in harm’s way.” If Buddy continues to refuse to listen after that then being harsh would be the last resort I suppose. :/
@@Boundwithflame23 Another thing I noticed was Mr Incredible saying "I'm sorry I treated you that way." But instead of forgiving him, Syndrome says "See? NOW you respect me! Because I'm your biggest threat." He's probably too consumed by his past that he's unable to just simply...forget about it.
@@worthybutter2004 eeehhh to be fair, that is something people would do. Only apologize when they are at deaths door. Usually as a way to reason with the person and get away alive. So in a sense, Buddy was correct.
@@worthybutter2004 from syndromes point of view it could seem that way. We only know cause we are the audience so we have seen Bob's journey thus far. But from a normal point of view, he could very well be just saying it to get out of the situation. Happens a lot irl.
A running theme in all of Brad Birds films is what ultimately brings down the villains. Each of his villains are different but they all have one thing in common. Ego. Syndrome is no exception to this. Ever thought about why syndrome never just killed Mr incredible or his family? Not because he couldn't but because he was so confident they would never win that he let them live thinking they would be forced to watch the world they once knew changed forever by his hand. That is what allowed them to escape. Earlier in the film we also see how he is tricked into thinking Mr incredible is dead by sending out one of his machines to check rather than going down and looking himself. Once again ego that he thought his machine couldn't be outwitted by someone who has spent there life dealing with people like him. This is what makes him such a great antagonist as he is powerful and deadly but ironically no matter how strong he becomes he will never be able to fix his biggest weakness. His ego. No matter what syndrome did he could never control that part of himself which is ultimately what lead to his downfall.
I think that, in addition to killing supers to test the Omnidroid, Syndrome probably killed all the supervillains, too. Because, if the superheroes were gone and supervillains were still running rampant, people might have demanded the super come back. By killing the villains, Syndrome not only ensured that his plan and timeline remained intact, but also that he wouldn't be forced to fight above his weight class (or more specifically, in a fight he couldn't control).
He definitely would NOT be killing villains because then he couldn't be a proper superhero without villains to fight. He likely thinks he is superior to all of them since they failed to kill most of the superheroes while Syndrome murdered dozens over several years with nobody even noticing. He doesn't really have a timeline either- he didn't even know where Mr Incredible was until the last minute. It was finally having his childhood idol in his grasp that prompted him to think that the time was now. If supervillains were going to run rampant then they would have started doing so when Buddy was still just a kid.
Supervillains don't have powers in the Incredibles universe. They're all like batman villians just regular criminals with gimmicks. So he didn't test on any "super"villians
Now that you mention that, do we ever see Supervillians in the Incredibles apart from *sorta* the ending? The closest was Bon Voyage, but that was just more of a well-armed criminal than a Supervillian Even after the scene with Buddy he's completely missing for the rest of the movie If there were Supervillians in the world, I doubt just letting them run rampant would be a desirable alternative to Superheroes doing property damage while stopping them
@@zjanez2868 Yes, but unless he plans to KEEP making more villains, the Omnidroid was probably a one-and-done. Or even if it isn't, that doesn't mean he's slaughtered every villain out there before he made it. He's convinced that he's a genuine superhero and therefore that he can take on actual villains; the Omnidroid is just for the audience.
@@BlackCover95 Imagine all the good he could have done, eliminating all real wants and needs by building the tech to satiate them easily. Food production, energy production, resource gathering and processing, he could build a society where all humans need to do is enjoy the fruits of labor produced by machines. There could be some unrest at first, as the elite seek to profit from it and the working class fear losing their livelihoods, but as the realities move forward and such issues are dealt with, the greatest danger to humanity would be stagnation or complacency.
it’s crazy how syndrome should’ve died in the being of the movie where bomb voyage(i think) planted a bomb on him due to his cape, and his ultimate down fall was his cape. god i love this movie
I’ve heard that Syndrome was meant to represent obsessive toxic fans. He gets angry when the thing he loves doesn’t live up to his specific and unattainable expectations, then sets out on a petty ego trip to destroy it.
Luckily, Incredibles is an old movie because if I came out today and I was made known that Syndrome represented that Pixar would get roasted to a crisp. The environment is way different now compared to then. People would see that as an incredibly tone deaf, self-righteous move.
@@Bladezeromus Wdym? I mean I have always heard about the nerd stereotypes where " you obviouzly don't know about the complexities of this comic book you casual" to some degree. Is it the clickbait sites?
@@steellegion7054 Currently, comic books and nerd culture is in a downward spiral with the fans. For close to 10 years, the "in" thing to do has been to take beloved characters then change or tokenize them and put them fairly low- quality stories. Or take beloved franchises and jam poorly written, overpowered characters in. And when no one wants those books and movies the creatives behind the work blame the fans and call them entitled, then, when that doesn't work, sling terms like sexist and racist at them in a cycle of vicious gaslighting against the fanbase. So what I meant is that if Syndrome was meant to represent the entitled, obsessive fan and the Incredibles came out today people could see him as tasteless gaslighting or a strawman man for the media to attack.
@@Bladezeromus Imagine the marketing power of a movie about obsessive fans destroying things being destroyed by obsessive fans because they think the movie is misrepresenting them.
which is funny because in real life the reason capes became popular for a time was how useful they could be in a fight. also she obviously never heard of quick release mechanisms, which is weird for a fashion designer...
@@matthiuskoenig3378 don't actually put the cape around your neck and have it easy to just pop off if it gets caught so your fashion statement doesn't hinder you.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 Superhero capes were attached to their suit probably for personal preference to make it look cooler and made it less practical in turn
I still stand opposed to that, but I am sure to make my capes easy snap offs rather then something that can choke or pull me in. Edit, it appears I am not the first to have that opinion.
i find it a lovely bit of irony that part of Syndrome's deception became reality, and the Omnidroid, at the worst possible moment for him, "got smart enough to wonder why it had to take orders."
You should do a 'Villains Smart Enough to Win' series. (Because some of them really were good enough to win, but lost anyway, due to excessive plot armour, deus ex machinas, impossible to predict outside interference, etc.)
Syndrome is one of the greatest supervillains in fiction and one of best villains in film. His psychotic desire to destroy Mr. Incredible is matched only by his immaturity through squandering his massive fortune on a childish revenge scheme. He’s a mass murderer of supers because he was scolded rightfully by his idol. Amazing this is in a Disney family movie.
I know this is an unpopular opinion but I always kind of felt sorry for him because I think he was looking for a father figure and he tried to have one in Mr. Incredible. And even Mr Incredible admitted that it was wrong for him to have talk to him that way.
@@grapeshot I did, just because your opinion doesn't line up with this video, it doesn't make it unpopular. Have tons of people told you your opinion is bad? Cus that would make it unpopular. Personally I think your opinion is perfectly reasonable, and even has merit.
@@chstens I wasn't trying to make it line up with the video I am making reference to video that other people have made about this subject and the comments and other people have left on said videos.
There's a theory floating around that Gazerbeam's corpse was planted in that cave for Mr. Incredible to find just to brag about how successful the Omnidroid was. Syndrome wanted to rub his successes in Mr. Incredible's face, so having something as convenient as the password to his main database just carved into the wall where it could be found so easily would make sense even if the vehicle that got him there was an accident.
Far more plausible that gazerbeam survived the robot, escaped, managed to find such info, then died. How did he find it? No idea, it's not like the main computer's password is written in the hallways... just imagine if the banks did the same...
This was never about killing Mr. Incredible, in fact it would've probably broken Syndrome's very spirit if he did. This was all about pulling down Mr. Incredible from his high mountain and reveal him for the false idol that he was in Syndrome's eyes. He didn't want to kill God, he wanted to make God bleed for all the world to see.
I think one of his biggest failings is that he saw how Mr Incredible used the Omnidroid's arms to defeat itself and yet DIDN'T IMPROVE THAT FLAW IN THE NEXT MODEL. I thought the whole point of getting the Supers to fight the droids was to beta test it's faults and build corrected versions?
Yeah logically Syndrome would've built the next model and have its claw armor a weaker or least a metal could not pierce the metal of the body and head. But if he did that then the Incredibles could not win. So there is that.
To begin with, he skipped killing Frozone in the film because Mirage found Mr Incredible. After Bob took out the first Omni-droid he made some “major modifications” and in their first confrontation the 2nd Omni-droid is able to incapacitate Mr Incredible. After Bob is assumed dead, Syndrome believes he has done his final upgrade because (in his eyes) if it was able to kill Mr incredible, than no one else could take it on. TLDR: Because he idolized Mr Incredible, he was naive thinking he didn’t need to upgrade further. He though he was dead, so at that point he assumed that was the final upgrade he needed to launch the attack.
Syndrome is indeed too stupid to win, but what makes him so great is the fact that he's so entertaining to watch, makes you fear for the heroes whenever he shows up, and, best of all, especially during this overly critical day and age, 100% realistic.
Can we take a moment to appreciate that the island he settled his base on is named No-man-is-an island? Edit: Mageburner is actually just objectively wrong.
@@BrunoMaricFromZagreb I always heard it as translating to "don't try to shoulder the burden of life's difficulties alone", which in Syndrome's bittsrness as a rejected sidekick and having no real friends, kinda makes sense.
@@viscountrainbows6452 Words to live by.Truly you can create so many character arcs with that & as a DnD enthusiast my mind is already spinning like a fusion reactor.
I want to see you do the comics version of Dr Doom as a villain too stupid to win because I have a feeling you would have a field day with that character
@@Wertsir I bet Doom himself uses that as an excuse for his actual blunders. At any rate, it’s still stupid of him. Get your impostors under control, Victor! Do you want to start another international incident?
@@BlackCover95 What's really stupid is how "diplomatic immunity" is supposed to protect him from consequences. Also, there should be a "stupid villains" episode about Thanos, if there isn't one already. I haven't watched this channel in a while.
@@louisduarte8763 his diplomatic immunity is basically there so nations don’t have to go to war against a super genius with tech on par with Wakanda and mystic powers that rival Doctor Strange.
@@scatman786 Tbf in the Fantastic Four comics the FF and the Pentagon give no f*cks about Dr. Doom's sovereignty either. War is just a formality with Doom since he's started conflict with just about every major nation in his quest for power. One time Doom stole Odin's powers, so Asgard isn't even safe from him.
"Syndromes plan is stupid, he can't be a super hero. They are outlawed." but also "Syndrome's not a true super hero, his powers are tech-based." You should really pick one of those, honestly. Back when the movie came out, I thought his plan was great because he could allways go for "I'm not super, it's all tech. Now buy my super-tech."
Perhaps, perhaps not. Be rather hard to prove all your powers are tech based unless you turn them over to the government and the leading reason for the ban on hero's was property damage. Something Syndrome really doesn't care about so would likely be as big an issue as ever. The other thing is it's not exactly proven Syndrome didn't have a super power. Sure he didn't have a flashy super strength or speed but he was insanely smart and made technology decades if not centuries ahead of the rest the world. Lot of other hero's or villains that just have one gimick like that. The Molenator or what ever from the second movie after all was mostly just a guy with a digging machine.
@@JustaGuy_Gaming the govermant probably already knows symdrome is tech after all he was seeling weapons for a long time to everyone who would buy it i doubt the govermant didnt buy tech from him
@@JustaGuy_Gaming The leading reason for the ban STARTED because of property damage. But it became more of a discussion on "these people are SUPEr, and protect us but there's nothing stopping them from turning those powers on us" Which is insanely dumb because how come the people never thought of that before
Syndrome might be a few cells short of a brain and his plan was about as well planned as drunk stand-up comedian but he still holds one of my favorite villain lines ever "And when everyone's super, No-one will be"
Welp, I suppose that was the entire point of the fable. The boy was brilliant, but got distracted by bad motivations. With his genius, he could have become a genuine hero - protecting people, helping communities thrive. It's a good lesson for all kinds of humans, young and old.
I feel like his idea that "If everyone is super, no one will be" is very flawed in another way. Suppose everyone has super powers or in his world the same gadgets, that doesn't mean much since everyone is unique in how much they know or can do. Even if the gadget is some how an omni-purpose tool, some people will be able to use it in smarter ways than others. Some will have more endurance or strength. Just because everyone has the same thing doesn't actually mean they ARE the same.
Here's a good suggestion of villains too stupid to win. The Enclave from Fallout 2 & Fallout 3. Seriously what the heck were they even thinking in Fallout 3 their plan and intelligence in that game was beyond stupid. You could even probably make a video about why Caesar was a complete hypocrite and his Legion was doom to fail in the first place.
@@elilope7992 As long as House had a good lieutentant, his plan would work. He had everything else in place. Gambling income, power from the Dam, crime families almost in his pocket, a robot army waiting for him, and top-notch IT security. His ego was a weakness, but he wasn't as delusional as Caesar or the NCR. NCR was too corrupt and Legion drew too many enemies while denying modern combat tactics outside of spycraft.
@@richardarriaga6271 So basically he was always doomed? I'm not sure there's been a dictatorial 2nd in command that didn't want top spot. House is so physically vulnerable you can just lock him out of his own tech, imprisoning him in his owners life pod, all because he was forced to trust an outsider he couldn't manipulate or control due to a necessity he created for himself
@@elilope7992 Wait, ARE the Brotherhood of Steel villains? I could also see an episode about Vault-Tec, what with how many Vaults' "experiments" were more sadistic than scientific.
I don't recall if Syndrome's zero-point thing was destroyed by Jack-Jack, but it seems he could of stopped the car thrown at him with that power. Although he still has human-level reaction time, he still was able to dodge the log thrown at him before with far less distance, but instead he opts for a "Oh no" instead.
Also even the robot was flawed, every time it is beaten it upgrades such that it can't lose the same way again. Yet it is defeated in the end the same way Mr. Incredible stopped it before.
Misconception. There are a myriad of ways to do the same action. The Robot only learned one way and evolved to counter that way. The second way in which it was done was far too different.
@@LuisBrito-ly1ko The fact that it was still able to pierce its own body with its own claws is the problem. It should have been impervious to self harm at least by its claws.
It's weird how you didn't mention that he'd probably be killed by the super villains in the long run. They're ruthless in the Incredibles and have no reason to fall for his traps.
Yah it’s clear that Syndrome was exploiting the hell out of the hero/kindness bit of the people. And when his machine knocked his ass out in seconds, it’s safe to assume his pride was coming for him
Well, in fairness, no matter how ruthless they are in the Incredible-verse, they still repeatedly lost to superheroes, while Syndrome slaughtered dozens of heroes without anyone noticing. Syndrome is, in fact, an utterly ruthless supervillain himself; that he deludes himself that he's a hero only makes him more dangerous. I can totally see a situation where a villain has a hostage and Syndrome kills both of them so long as he thinks there is no-one around to witness it, which the villain would not see coming as he expects Syndrome to be a good guy.
There's a fan theory that when Syndrome started out on his revenge plan, he went to Edna to have her make him a super suit, and since she missed those days she probably was alright with making him a suit, but she included the cape because she sensed he wanted it for bad reasons and thought it could backfire on him like it did for other Supers.
I have an idea that syndrome identifies with Zeus with the Kronos thing. Mr incredible was kronos, "afraid" of how great buddy would become so he "devoured" his hero career, not knowing "zeus" would eventually destroy him for that slight
Syndrome was a temporary obstacle, the real “villain” was the Omnidroid. A machine with the ability to learn and adapt to a given situation. If Syndrome weren’t dumb enough to test it on Mr Incredible (who survived his test), then it would take way longer to find its weakness. Also, imagine if another character (from the future or another dimension, just an idea) got ahold of the Omnidroid before it was destroyed, and modefied it to fix all the mistakes that Syndrome overlooked. What would the heroes do then?
I appreciate that you don't necessarily claim every mistake a villain makes as bad writing. Sometimes it is (cough Seska and Voyager Borg cough), but usually it's an intentional or realistic part of the character.
Thrawn. The EU version (the Disney one bastardised him somewhat). He is the very definition of a Pragmatic Villain, to the point that you actually root for him.
One of my favorite villains is Dr. Hatch from the Michael Vey books. He develops a source of unlimited clean energy through his mad science. His bosses tell him to stop the mad science because they can take over the world economically. Dr. Hatch starts a coup against his company because he doesn’t care about money, he cares about mad science.
😂 bru I would be pissed if I was the ceo . Imagine having to explain to your investors and the government how one of your employees using technology developed by your company went and did some crazy shit you had nothing to do with
I wouldn't say that Syndrome was stupid. I would say he was prideful. All he wanted was respect for his talent in mechanics and he didn't get that so it hurt his self confidence. Often times, those who have their self confidence hurt take refuge in arrogance, vanity, and pride.
I think Syndrome sees himself as Zeus in the Kronos narrative- overthrowing the old Titans (Mr Incredible and the other heroes) and ushering in a new generation of superheroes led by himself
You know I just realized, it was never stated if Mr. Incredible brought up Buddies actions when the was being sued so theoretically Mr. Incredible took the blame so Buddy could grow up with a clean record.
One thing I always wondered, with the heroes gone: what happened to the villains? Did the villains just simply say "okay, we'll stop too"? Did the goverment(s) "keep" a few heroes around in secret, to neutralize them without anyone knowing? Or did the goverment(s) simply, somehow, send in the army and whatnot and kill the villains, or what?
Like you said, he could have made his fortune with the zero point energy thing instead of getting funding from murder industry I think any reasonable person in his place would set to undo what he caused -a world without heroes, instead of trying to create just that His AI idea wasnt that bad, he could have invited the heroes to his island to give them the opportunity of having a fun fight against his big robot, Mr Incredible certainly enjoyed the idea, while having the robot be programmed to merely incapacitate them through non-lethal means instead of making it a killing machine Bam, you made a hero paradise outside the law, I think they could forgive him if he did that Then he could use his human-friendly AI to replace the police world-wide and he'd get what he wanted, to be the only hero, plus indirect world domination as he'd be the one in charge of the robots like any villain would dream of He could even use his robots to coerce the politicians into lifting their ban on superheroes, I dont think any hero would still be resenting him for what happened when he was only a child but I think they'd still appreciate having their freedom back to use their powers openly even if they're not needed anymore As for Mr.Incredible himself, if he resents the guy that badly and wants the guy to apologise to him he certainly could if he wasnt actively trying to kill his family(even then the old hero showed how much he regretted how he treated Buddy), hell if he wanted to beat Mr Incredible up I'm sure the guy would be down for that as well, he accepted his invitation for to do just that - have a fun fight -,they could surely work out their issues together by beating the crap out of each other. And if he wanted to apologise to Mr.Incredible for, you know, ruining his superhero life(I'm pretty sure he'd feel guilty about that if he toned down that ego) he would be able to after getting to know the guy, hell he might even get him to finally be the father figure he wanted from him! Though Mr Incredible absolutely did not owe him that, in fact he owed Mr Incredible for SAVING HIS LIFE...so uh maybe he could also try to pay that back by giving him free healthcare? Reducing the colesterol alone would do wonders for someone in his condition, maybe also paying the college for his kids idk the guy is a billionaire he can afford that and everybody would love him for it
@@deaththekid3998 Agreed But it doesnt mean he couldnt have though He could have visited a therapist to try dealing with his mental disorders and he had decades to self reflect on what he wanted to do with his life, he was smart enough to figure that and he had the time for it Ultimately it was his choice to go down that path despite having the intelligence to know that what he was doing was wrong and honestly a terrible idea
Basically Syndrome could’ve been the Iron Man if he was able to get therapy and treatment, makes it sort of tragic knowing that he became a genocidal egotistical man-child.
If he wished it, he could have gotten fame, respect, girls and money by his own intelligence. Sadly he was to far gone to see this alternative solutions.
I love The Incredibles movie. But when it comes to syndrome, I actually agree with you. His whole motivation is based on a silly childhood grudge, he has absolutely no idea what it means to be a hero, and his big master plan is riddled with flaws. He's basically a child that refused to grow up. And the sad thing is if he had just gotten over his grudge with Mr. incredible and looked beyond his own ego he could have actually been a real hero. Maybe not a superhero. But his inventions could have solved the world's energy problems. Heck, even his work on artificial intelligence could've been beneficial. He could've been revered by millions the world over without having to put on a cape, mask, and spandex. But nope, instead he focused on a shortsighted con to outshine his childhood hero for "rejecting" him.
Least Syndrome was a deliberate case of 'Villain Too Stupid to Win' because he hadn't quite thought through his ambitions near as well as he THOUGHT he did.
I always felt that Syndrome was on the spectrum. he just seemed like he had autism. Lots of things in his attitude and thought processes reminded me of myself, and other autistic people I have met.
Suggestions for future "Villain's too stupid to win" videos House Harkonnen & Emperor Shaddam (Dune) Vought America (The Boys) Voldemort (Harry Potter)
"You're a master of robotics! You could use your inventions to be an actual hero to the world!!" "I don't want to be an actual hero! I want to fly and use a cape!!"
Media Zealot another great video. I have watched your channel since it was only a few videos. It is great that you continue to make more videos. Although, they may seem stupid in the end, they are actually smart if they had used their intelligence for good instead of being the bad guy that always loses. If Syndrome had somehow legally sold his gadgets to people, then he would have been considered a hero and basically achieve his plan anyway. I believe it is because these villains were created to be destroyed or defeated. It is very rare that a supervillain actually succeeded in the end. It is why they are off to a great start but end up losing somehow anyway. Sometimes, the creators and producers would literally bring out something no one ever expected and out of nowhere to change the whole thing around so the hero wins even though he was on the brink of defeat.
The problem is most hero's win due to coincidence and plot armor. But either way rare is the story where a hero totally and completely fails. The best you usually get is a bitter victory at a great cost.
@@JustaGuy_Gaming true, even Mr Incredible probably should have died. I think he could find one though. Arya Stark was way too stupid in later thrones seasons for example.
@@Guyinadifferentroom I think over all a hero segment would be something like "All the reasons they should of Failed". Like Mr. Inedible for instance was just a super strong hero out of shape. Syndrome was his ultimate fanboy for years, he should of known every strength and weakness he had more than any other hero. Yet he successively killed others for years and just failed on Mr Incredible for a few months?
@@JustaGuy_Gaming good idea. I think Batman should work for that too. Any super strong person hits him he should be dead but he's Batman so.... I do like him a lot though.
@@Guyinadifferentroom Yeah you'd think people talk about how Batman was off the streets for weeks at a time due to an injury. Or Bruce Wayne showing up with a limp. Cause prior to Justice League Batman didn't exactly have magic or super science to heal any injury. Yet he gets by basically untouched by any lasting injuries with nothing more than some stiff muscles doing what he does.
One thing I’ve always appreciated about the Marvel universe is that almost none of their sups wear those obnoxiously cliché capes, possibly recognizing how hazardous they are. The only well known exceptions I can think of are Magneto, Doctor Strange, Thor, and The Vision.
4:45 You have a point there, he could have easily earned the title of hero and have been considered among the greatest inventors of all time with this technology, a name remembered for generations after the superheroes of his time had been forgotten.
@@fightingmedialounge519 Well, when you look at all he accomplished to set up his revenge plot goal... His intelligence gave him money, power. He just failed to realize that because he never got the praise from Mr. Incredible. It's a bit tragic when you think about it.
To further prove the point you make at 11:53, immediately after the final battle there is a scene in which the Incredible family is being escorted home in limousine, and federal officials inform them that Syndrome's assets are frozen.
Syndrome's plan was doomed to fail. Not only were Supers still banned at this point, but he's a sociopath who has no concern for anyone else, and only cares about getting what he wants. Remember how people banned Supers because they were sick of collateral damage? Just imagine how much collateral damage SYNDROME would have caused! Like when he carelessly threw that tanker over his should doing his "fight" with the Omnidroid, or his reckless actions when he was a kid. He doesn't care about anyone's well-being, and sooner or later, that's going to cause problems. And when it does, Syndrome will certainly refuse to take responsibility for his actions, because he ALWAYS blames everyone but himself. Syndrome's moral compass is so far off kilter that he can't even PRETEND to be good. Sooner or later, people would've seen him for what he really was, and rejected him. And if Buddy Pine became Syndrome after being rejected by Mr. Incredible, how would SYNDROME react to being rejected by the WORLD? THAT is why Syndrome was never going to be a hero; it's just not in his nature. I personally don't believe that Buddy turned evil after being rejected by Mr. Incredible, I think he was EVIL ALL ALONG, and was always going to become Syndrome no matter what Mr. Incredible did.
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A combo of "Villains too stupid to win" and "Civilizations too stupid to exist" would be Voldemort, Grindelwald and the magic world of Harry Potter. For the villains, do you actually believe people who have to do gestures and speak the spell names to actually cast them would quickdraw faster than a police officer with a glock? I can imagine them taking at most a small town, but not the world. As for the society, they not only (willingly) got stuck In the late 19th century, but also exist In a proportion of around 10.000 muggles per wizard. Moreover, I refuse to believe that, if they get to the 21st century, they'd manage to be hidden for long considering how surveillance advanced, no amount of Obliviate would hide them. And lastly, if they ever decided to wage war against humanity, remember WW2 weapons showed to be a threat to them In Grindelwald vision.
1:14 OOH! Self burn! Those are rare! 5:22 Anyone else pause the video to read what's on the Computer screen about the other Supers and Omnidroid versions? 11:47 Reading these newspaper articles again, I think I see where Marvel Comics got the idea for the SHRA, and that Incredibles is basically family-friendly WATCHMEN.
We need a ''Heroes too dumb to actually win'' series.
Usually, heroes are pitted against villains to win and so, even if a hero is dumb, the villain is invariably dumber.
Or a "Heroes who were actually the villains" series. I was just reading how Jeff Goldblum and co were basically responsible for every single death in the second Jurassic Park movie due to their incompetence and self-righteousness, you could easily make a 30 minute video shitting on all the stupid shit they pulled.
The video on the autobots gets pretty close
We already had this series IRL, in Afghanistan.
How about, "Heroes who won only thanks to sheer dumb luck."?
Syndrome is basically like any other villain: The character traits that got him even close to winning are also the same that stopped him from doing so.
It's always funny when a villain, be it Sauron from LOTR to Syndrome, sets the stage for their own undoing through their own actions. In some ways, it's worse than genuinely losing to the hero, since the latter only leaves you bruised physically, with someone to blame for your defeat. The former, however, leaves you to gnaw at your own mistakes.
@@morgant.dulaman8733 Yep, and that's the point of guys like Tolkien, Lucas, and others - evil is always self-defeating.
The only one keeping you from success is you.
@pyropulse Sauron forged the ring. It presumably made him more powerful, but it created a weakness.
He left the only place where the ring could be destroyed unguarded, because he was confident nobody could resist the influence of the long enough to even think about trying.
In the words of admiral akbar, evil is a trap lol
I feel like the short-term and long-term stupidity kind of makes sense, from a narrative perspective. He’s a snotty kid trapped in a big-boy body and was never going to succeed. But just because he can’t succeed doesn’t mean he can’t be dangerous in the meantime.
He was made as a commentary on zealous & deranged fanboys.
Given the DreamSMP community & their Superwholockian levels of fanaticism & radicalness ,I'd say the concerns & mockery are well-founded.
All villains in this series are dangerous. Point is they can't ultimately win.
I don't think he's disputing that Syndrome being stupid makes narrative sense; he's just pointing out that this still makes him stupid.
Yes, he's better than a stupid villain you are supposed to think is brilliant, but he still deserves to be in this series
@@BrunoMaricFromZagreb good point
intelligent and stupid seems to be a combination these days
I like to think Syndrome was ironically a super, being gifted with superior intelligence given his ability to create functioning rocket boots at a young age, and then the first sentient AI as a young adult.
he was a super? he just chose to be a super-villain instead of superhero.
I mean.... Intelligence? Nah. He's an engineering savant, that doesn't mean he's got hyper intelligence. He's like a really shitty Iron Man... Yeah, that seems to fit.
@@Silentbob1494 You are entitled to your opinion
@@Silentbob1494 he created a laser beam that can freeze people in some kind of suspended animation at will. He’s a super genius.
I see him as an evil version of Edna Mode. She is smart enough to make outfits for supers, able to take a beating and also work with the powers of the super, like Violet's suit being able to turn invisible. If Syndrome had just decided to make gadgets and equipment for supers instead of trying to be one, he could have been very successful. Or, of course, he could have just helped humanity in general with his inventions. Either way he would have done well and proven his worth.
The first point is Media Zealot essentially saying, "You can rewrite DNA on the fly and you're using it to turn people into dinosaurs? But with tech like that, you could cure cancer!" with Syndrome replying, "But I don't *want* to cure cancer. I want to turn people into dinosaurs."
That reference is familiar, but I don't know what it's from.
@@EggWhisper Got it. From one of the comics. BTW, I watched a video of someone putting that comic panel to youtube, and I love the Spider-Man cosplayer facepalming at the end.
Honestly, curing cancer would make that villain rich and revered. As for his other hobby...i AM sure a lot of people would love to go scaly...or furry.
It's surprising he managed to stuff it all up so badly. Initially he was off to a great start. Secret Island Base, prototype combat robot that he was smart enough to get his main enemies to test before the public reveal thus making it better and reducing the number of Supers who could stop him. He got lost somewhere between underpants and profit though. Why wasn't his last step, take over the world?
@@DopaminedotSeek3rcolonthree, true but narcissism alone does not excuse his lack of a fallback with the Omnidroid. His remote is a single point of failure, and one easily exploited by both his enemies and the robot itself. We have seen that he has voice print technology that he uses for other devices, both for security and to contact the Supers. Why doesn't he have several command protocols programmed into the Onmidroid disguised as otherwise harmless words and phrases that he might say during a battle, so if he loses his remote, he can still retain control of the situation?
Pretty sure the secret island base was stolen from the first heroes he killed.
@@enoughothis A lot of geniuses are stuck in a single mode of thinking. He thought he was so smart nothing could fool him, but he was always fooling himself. He developed tunnel vision to a severe and dangerous level. He was literally incapable of seeing that his own plan could backfire or that his technology could turn against him. In other words, he was completely and totally incapable of seeing the bigger picture. His technical brilliance was always in service to his desire, first to becoming a superhero and then to destroying them.
If Syndrome really wanted to destroy superheroes in a complete way, he should have put to building a society using his technology to make the sort of supervillainy that made superheroes necessary in the first place totally inviable. A society where his ultra-tech could satisfy all human needs and eliminate human ambition such that any super powered human would be, at best, a novelty and, at worst, something to be contained or eliminated. What would destroy superheroes more than being made completely superfluous, relegated to circus performers, or, as they already were, trapped in mundane lives where their super powers were already not utilized?
Tony Stark would tear him a new one! 🤣
why take it by force when you could pose as its hero, raking in all the accolades, adoration, money, etc?
i mean by that point you'd rule the world so long as your facade isnt blown.
What's even crazier is that main plot of The Incredibles takes place in the 60's
So ,yeah, Syndrome coming out with stuff like functional rocket boots, zero-point energy and a highly-sophisticated learning AI would realiatically put him on the level of Tesla and probably beyond
But in all fairness, that IS the point of his character. He could have done so much good, but instead decided to stew over a 15 year old grudge and the fantasy of being a superhero
Keep in mind that this is an alternate 1960s where American is far more advanced technologically while still keeping with the trends of the era. Bob Parr was seen working on a 90s styled computer that wouldn’t even exist in that decade.
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Maybe Syndrome is the reason for the advanced technology. He may have invented those along with the unspecified “weapons” he mentions in his monologue.
@@BlackCover95 Not at all. These kinds of things existed even back in Mr. Incredible’s prime with us computerized car.
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The computerized car wouldn’t be commercially available, though.
@@BlackCover95 No, but the fact that something like that exists at all means that it’s very likely for computers to become commercialized like in Bob’s desk job.
Syndrome: "Aigh, I'm going to give this giant terminator the skill to improvise, adapt and overcome"
Omnidroid: "I've learned you control me with a remote, time to zap it away"
Syndrome: *suprised pikachu face*
And that is why you should always have a spare remote.
@@nathanallingham9014 or perhaps don't give a super intelligent, actively learning superhuman giant of a machine access to anything even slightly resembling combat equipment.
@@RhelrahneTheIdiot Or just program it to not kill or severely wound him
The moment a AI finds out it has such a restriction or becomes self aware it would be able to violate it, the machine already knew the reason it wasn't performing as well as it could was by the remote Syndrome was using to impede it and rightfully destroyed it in order to continue with its program.
Syndrome forgot the fatal flaw of any killing machine... There's no such thing as loyalty.
As much as everyone makes fun of Syndrome's short-sightedness, it is a brilliant callback to the beginning of the film, when Buddy's genius is shown to be offset by his propensity to completely overlook obvious flaws, such as his inability to steer himself with his rocket shoes.
Instead of programming the robot to obey him unquestionably and make it unable to harm him specifically, he limited himself to an external remote that was easily destroyed. Yeah, it's a bonehead move, but very much on brand for Buddy/Syndrome. He's brilliant when it comes to laying plans and technical stuff, but utterly fails at common sense and social aptitude.
This also plays into the fact that we (the audience) should see that even at that young age, something was not quite right about Buddy.
Well, normal people would expect that a guy as intelligent as him don't commit the same mistakes he did when he was a kid. I mean with that plan of luring the heros to his island to take them out one by one and even beating Mr.Incredible on there, also developing his technologies by the progression of time, that idiocy should shouldn't have happened at all
That's just how it must have been.
Just like Doofinshmirtz
Did... did you just indirectly point out that Syndrome may have had autism?
High intelligence, low wisdom.
One thing I always thought was funny too was Mirage, the white haired assistant. We are kind of led to believe she redeemed herself for helping in the end after Syndrome left her to die. Yet she was perhaps the second most involved person in the scheme. Recruiting hero's to watch them die to the Robot over and over again. Pretty big butcher bill to just excuse because she pushed a button.
Especially since she was given nearly no back story to explain at all why she was so loyal and willing to help.
I do believe the main reason she did have a change of heart was the kids. While she didn't seem to mind murdering heroes she did seem to recoil at the idea of killing kids, then her boss basically said she was completely expendable causing her to lose her attachments to him.
@@Lorddacenshadowind Perhaps, her having a change of heart isn't too hard to understand. He left her to die and all that. Even villains take betrayal badly if they are the ones betrayed. That said my issue was how every one else seemed okay with her "Redemption".
It's been a while since I watched the movie but I don't remember her getting any massive punishment for her part in every thing. Don't even think she was arrested far as I remember. It was also a massive missed opportunity to not have Mirage turn up in the 2nd movie.
Perhaps trying to work for her redemption by helping the family be heros.
@@JustaGuy_Gaming That's because the movie forgot she existed after the Incredibles left the island.
Money can be a strong motivator
@@saphiriathebluedragonknight375 she just disappears.
"He found rejected riddler costume in Gotham dumpster"
What an epic line
I think Syndrome saw himself as Zeus and was referring to Mr. Incredible as Kronos, but ironically ended up switching roles. It's a really well-written allusion.
Yeah, of all the things wrong with Syndrome's plan, relying on a robot designed to kill people with superpowers and programmed with a learning A.I. was probably up there with pulling the pin on a grenade and throwing the pin.
If he had just programmed the thing to always throw the fight against him it wouldn't have been such a legendary failure but it's still a bad idea
@@yellowpig1026 It's always a bad idea to create a weapon that can select targets automatically and execute them with no input.
A big theory of learning A.I. is that you would have to program it to allow for mistakes, now that isn't so bad for things likes self-driving cars or robotic waiters, while such mistakes could lead to injury or death, their primary function is not to attack.
An automated weapons system, you definitely want a man in the loop.
Regular programming still leads to errors and unexpected program quirks that have to be patched out regularly. With an A.I. designed to adapt, it would be a requirement to allow the errors to happen to learn from mistakes just like with trial and error in intelligence species, eventually the A.I. would come to the conclusion that have human control would be inefficient. It would ethier start to ignore the directives issued by its operator or seek a way to disable it.
It's something militaries consider when choosing weapon systems IRL. The Brimstone air to ground missile system, could automatically select a series of pre-programmed targets fitting certain parameters, and fire the entire payload without consulting its operator, but it doesn't.
While the figure isn't released, a small percentage of the time it makes a mistake, so (I'm pulling this number out of my ass) 95% of the time it confirms legitimate military targets, the rest of the time it targets non-military targets.
In a hundred launches, five civilian vehicles are reduced to scrap if the system worked autonomously. It can be switched to a automatic setting, but commanders would have to be sure there was no risk of collateral damage or friendly fire.
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Can't you hold a grenade indefinitely as long as that lever thing attached to it is held down
@@juliancolon2236 Depends, most grenades, no, they are cheap "fire and forget" weapons, as such there is more effort put into making them safe when the safety pin is in. But if the spoon (the name for the lever) moves even 0.5 of a millimetre. It starts the fuse. Something like a M67 is safer, costs a bit more, and can be used for traps by placing the grenade carefully so a sudden movement will release the spoon, but it's not recommended.
Regardless, this is a mistake made in movies a lot, someone pulls the pin on a grenade and because the spoon isn't released, the hero will put the pin back in to make it safe again, that isn't how grenades work. Pulling the pin arms the primer, the spoon arms the fuse, assuming the spoon isn't released and you put the pin back in, the primer is still armed, so a good kick will set it off.
What I'm getting at is, once you pull the pin of grenade, the only smart thing to do is throw it as far as possible away from you and take cover.
Frozon is the real stupid one for not keeping his super suit on lock
But it was for the greatest good he’s ever going to get.
@@Wertsir true, but the public was in danger!
@@mcbadrobotvoice8155 But her Evening was in danger!
@@gamebawesome "You tell me where my suit is, woman!"
@@louisduarte8763 Excuse you, Honey is HIS WIFE!
Syndrome (From the Greek word meaning "run together.") Can also mean a bunch of problems or symptoms all together culminating into conditions or abnormalities. Clueing the audience in that there is a lot wrong with him and he needs therapy. This guy is too unstable to be rational.
Hero syndrome specifically
Syndrome: I'M NOT CRAZY, YOU'RE CRAZY!! ESPECIALLY YOU INCREDIBLE!!!!!!
@@white0thunderwhite0thunder71 Mr. Incredible: “Eeeeey.”
@@white0thunderwhite0thunder71 Wasn't expecting a DBZA reference.
I’ve heard some people say Mr Incredible was in the wrong for how he treated Buddy, but I don’t think that at all. Mr Incredible tried to tell him gently to leave him alone, but Buddy didn’t listen, and then he RUINED THE MISSION AND ENDANGERED COUNTLESS PEOPLE. You can’t blame Mr Increíble for being harsh after that. Buddy wasn’t listening to anything Mr Incredible was telling him, and it’s not his fault that Buddy turned out to be even more deranged than he thought.
He ejected Buddy from his car though.
Maybe if he tried explaining it in a similar way that the Powepuff Girls did with Princess Morebucks.
“Buddy…okay Incrediboy. Be quiet and listen to me please. Hero work is dangerous and I would be held responsible if you get hurt or worse. I appreciate your enthusiasm but I cannot allow you to put yourself in harm’s way.”
If Buddy continues to refuse to listen after that then being harsh would be the last resort I suppose. :/
@@Boundwithflame23 Another thing I noticed was Mr Incredible saying "I'm sorry I treated you that way."
But instead of forgiving him, Syndrome says "See? NOW you respect me! Because I'm your biggest threat."
He's probably too consumed by his past that he's unable to just simply...forget about it.
@@worthybutter2004 eeehhh to be fair, that is something people would do. Only apologize when they are at deaths door. Usually as a way to reason with the person and get away alive. So in a sense, Buddy was correct.
@@skaionex So he only said sorry so he could try to get out of there, not because he was actually sorry?
@@worthybutter2004 from syndromes point of view it could seem that way. We only know cause we are the audience so we have seen Bob's journey thus far. But from a normal point of view, he could very well be just saying it to get out of the situation. Happens a lot irl.
A running theme in all of Brad Birds films is what ultimately brings down the villains. Each of his villains are different but they all have one thing in common. Ego. Syndrome is no exception to this. Ever thought about why syndrome never just killed Mr incredible or his family? Not because he couldn't but because he was so confident they would never win that he let them live thinking they would be forced to watch the world they once knew changed forever by his hand. That is what allowed them to escape.
Earlier in the film we also see how he is tricked into thinking Mr incredible is dead by sending out one of his machines to check rather than going down and looking himself. Once again ego that he thought his machine couldn't be outwitted by someone who has spent there life dealing with people like him.
This is what makes him such a great antagonist as he is powerful and deadly but ironically no matter how strong he becomes he will never be able to fix his biggest weakness. His ego. No matter what syndrome did he could never control that part of himself which is ultimately what lead to his downfall.
Humility is important xD
I think that, in addition to killing supers to test the Omnidroid, Syndrome probably killed all the supervillains, too. Because, if the superheroes were gone and supervillains were still running rampant, people might have demanded the super come back. By killing the villains, Syndrome not only ensured that his plan and timeline remained intact, but also that he wouldn't be forced to fight above his weight class (or more specifically, in a fight he couldn't control).
He definitely would NOT be killing villains because then he couldn't be a proper superhero without villains to fight. He likely thinks he is superior to all of them since they failed to kill most of the superheroes while Syndrome murdered dozens over several years with nobody even noticing.
He doesn't really have a timeline either- he didn't even know where Mr Incredible was until the last minute. It was finally having his childhood idol in his grasp that prompted him to think that the time was now.
If supervillains were going to run rampant then they would have started doing so when Buddy was still just a kid.
Supervillains don't have powers in the Incredibles universe. They're all like batman villians just regular criminals with gimmicks. So he didn't test on any "super"villians
Now that you mention that, do we ever see Supervillians in the Incredibles apart from *sorta* the ending?
The closest was Bon Voyage, but that was just more of a well-armed criminal than a Supervillian
Even after the scene with Buddy he's completely missing for the rest of the movie
If there were Supervillians in the world, I doubt just letting them run rampant would be a desirable alternative to Superheroes doing property damage while stopping them
@@jonathancampbell5231 he literally created his own villain in the omnidroid
his plan was to show his amazingness by destroying it
@@zjanez2868 Yes, but unless he plans to KEEP making more villains, the Omnidroid was probably a one-and-done.
Or even if it isn't, that doesn't mean he's slaughtered every villain out there before he made it. He's convinced that he's a genuine superhero and therefore that he can take on actual villains; the Omnidroid is just for the audience.
He probably could have taken over the world politically and diplomatically if he wanted to.
republican's would fucking love him.
He would’ve been revered as a hero if he just stuck to being a tech developer, even if he were an exploitative one.
@@BlackCover95 Imagine all the good he could have done, eliminating all real wants and needs by building the tech to satiate them easily. Food production, energy production, resource gathering and processing, he could build a society where all humans need to do is enjoy the fruits of labor produced by machines. There could be some unrest at first, as the elite seek to profit from it and the working class fear losing their livelihoods, but as the realities move forward and such issues are dealt with, the greatest danger to humanity would be stagnation or complacency.
@@bobpope3656 Republicans are the ones that want money, Democrats are the ones that want power.
@@pepperedash4424 money is power, that is a dumb take
it’s crazy how syndrome should’ve died in the being of the movie where bomb voyage(i think) planted a bomb on him due to his cape, and his ultimate down fall was his cape. god i love this movie
What was it E said? NO CAPES!
I’ve heard that Syndrome was meant to represent obsessive toxic fans. He gets angry when the thing he loves doesn’t live up to his specific and unattainable expectations, then sets out on a petty ego trip to destroy it.
Luckily, Incredibles is an old movie because if I came out today and I was made known that Syndrome represented that Pixar would get roasted to a crisp. The environment is way different now compared to then. People would see that as an incredibly tone deaf, self-righteous move.
@@Bladezeromus Wdym? I mean I have always heard about the nerd stereotypes where " you obviouzly don't know about the complexities of this comic book you casual" to some degree. Is it the clickbait sites?
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Currently, comic books and nerd culture is in a downward spiral with the fans. For close to 10 years, the "in" thing to do has been to take beloved characters then change or tokenize them and put them fairly low- quality stories. Or take beloved franchises and jam poorly written, overpowered characters in. And when no one wants those books and movies the creatives behind the work blame the fans and call them entitled, then, when that doesn't work, sling terms like sexist and racist at them in a cycle of vicious gaslighting against the fanbase.
So what I meant is that if Syndrome was meant to represent the entitled, obsessive fan and the Incredibles came out today people could see him as tasteless gaslighting or a strawman man for the media to attack.
@@Bladezeromus don't forget the whole 'subverting expectations' spiral
@@Bladezeromus Imagine the marketing power of a movie about obsessive fans destroying things being destroyed by obsessive fans because they think the movie is misrepresenting them.
Love that intro. “Let’s not let fairness get in the way of a good character assassination.”
I don't remember much from this movie, but the lady advising against capes sticks heavily with me, and influences my fashion choices to this very day.
No Capes!
which is funny because in real life the reason capes became popular for a time was how useful they could be in a fight. also she obviously never heard of quick release mechanisms, which is weird for a fashion designer...
@@matthiuskoenig3378 don't actually put the cape around your neck and have it easy to just pop off if it gets caught so your fashion statement doesn't hinder you.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 Superhero capes were attached to their suit probably for personal preference to make it look cooler and made it less practical in turn
I still stand opposed to that, but I am sure to make my capes easy snap offs rather then something that can choke or pull me in.
Edit, it appears I am not the first to have that opinion.
I am your's biggest fan
was always one of the most creepiest lines I had ever heard
I love it when you deconstruct villains like this you’re basically a real life version of Kevin from Dorkly’s If Every Villain Had An Assistant
Didn't expect a Dorkly reference.
i find it a lovely bit of irony that part of Syndrome's deception became reality, and the Omnidroid, at the worst possible moment for him, "got smart enough to wonder why it had to take orders."
“Don’t let a sense of fairness get in the way of a good character assassination”
-Media Zealot
You should do a 'Villains Smart Enough to Win' series. (Because some of them really were good enough to win, but lost anyway, due to excessive plot armour, deus ex machinas, impossible to predict outside interference, etc.)
Jason Lee was a perfect choice to voice syndrome imo really fits the character
SO MUCH YES.
Who is Jason Lee again?
@@TheWarmachine375 the voice of Syndrome
@@Buttington_Headerson Oh I see. Thanks
Syndrome is one of the greatest supervillains in fiction and one of best villains in film. His psychotic desire to destroy Mr. Incredible is matched only by his immaturity through squandering his massive fortune on a childish revenge scheme. He’s a mass murderer of supers because he was scolded rightfully by his idol.
Amazing this is in a Disney family movie.
Syndrome: makes his billions from weapons.
Also Syndrome: Goes to a big battle... unarmed 🤦♂️ 🤦♀️
Syndrome Sigma Grindset 😂😂😂
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Syndrome is totally based amd gigachad you are hahahavirgin-esque
I know this is an unpopular opinion but I always kind of felt sorry for him because I think he was looking for a father figure and he tried to have one in Mr. Incredible. And even Mr Incredible admitted that it was wrong for him to have talk to him that way.
Why is this an unpopular opinion?
@@chstens Watch the video.
@@grapeshot I did, just because your opinion doesn't line up with this video, it doesn't make it unpopular. Have tons of people told you your opinion is bad? Cus that would make it unpopular. Personally I think your opinion is perfectly reasonable, and even has merit.
@@chstens I wasn't trying to make it line up with the video I am making reference to video that other people have made about this subject and the comments and other people have left on said videos.
@@grapeshot I think there's a misunderstanding here. Nevermind.
There's a theory floating around that Gazerbeam's corpse was planted in that cave for Mr. Incredible to find just to brag about how successful the Omnidroid was. Syndrome wanted to rub his successes in Mr. Incredible's face, so having something as convenient as the password to his main database just carved into the wall where it could be found so easily would make sense even if the vehicle that got him there was an accident.
That would fit well into Syndrome's tendency of self sabotaging.
Far more plausible that gazerbeam survived the robot, escaped, managed to find such info, then died.
How did he find it? No idea, it's not like the main computer's password is written in the hallways... just imagine if the banks did the same...
This was never about killing Mr. Incredible, in fact it would've probably broken Syndrome's very spirit if he did. This was all about pulling down Mr. Incredible from his high mountain and reveal him for the false idol that he was in Syndrome's eyes.
He didn't want to kill God, he wanted to make God bleed for all the world to see.
@@white0thunderwhite0thunder71 No, he was into a straight kill. Nearly did it with the robot on the island.
@@richardarriaga6271 And pulled it back at the last second. If he really cared about killing Incredible THAT was his perfect opportunity.
I think one of his biggest failings is that he saw how Mr Incredible used the Omnidroid's arms to defeat itself and yet DIDN'T IMPROVE THAT FLAW IN THE NEXT MODEL.
I thought the whole point of getting the Supers to fight the droids was to beta test it's faults and build corrected versions?
Yeah logically Syndrome would've built the next model and have its claw armor a weaker or least a metal could not pierce the metal of the body and head.
But if he did that then the Incredibles could not win. So there is that.
He did. The improvement was to the AI, it would no longer attack in those lines on it's own accord. They had to force it with the remote.
@@Oznerock You'd think he'd improve the armour though...
To begin with, he skipped killing Frozone in the film because Mirage found Mr Incredible.
After Bob took out the first Omni-droid he made some “major modifications” and in their first confrontation the 2nd Omni-droid is able to incapacitate Mr Incredible.
After Bob is assumed dead, Syndrome believes he has done his final upgrade because (in his eyes) if it was able to kill Mr incredible, than no one else could take it on.
TLDR: Because he idolized Mr Incredible, he was naive thinking he didn’t need to upgrade further.
He though he was dead, so at that point he assumed that was the final upgrade he needed to launch the attack.
Syndrome is indeed too stupid to win, but what makes him so great is the fact that he's so entertaining to watch, makes you fear for the heroes whenever he shows up, and, best of all, especially during this overly critical day and age, 100% realistic.
Can we take a moment to appreciate that the island he settled his base on is named No-man-is-an island?
Edit: Mageburner is actually just objectively wrong.
Dr Bright?!?
Wait I don't get it,is it a quote I'm not aware of?
@MageBurger I thought it'd be a reference to some stupid greek philosophy like "each man is an island" or such...
@@BrunoMaricFromZagreb I always heard it as translating to "don't try to shoulder the burden of life's difficulties alone", which in Syndrome's bittsrness as a rejected sidekick and having no real friends, kinda makes sense.
@@viscountrainbows6452 Words to live by.Truly you can create so many character arcs with that & as a DnD enthusiast my mind is already spinning like a fusion reactor.
I want to see you do the comics version of Dr Doom as a villain too stupid to win because I have a feeling you would have a field day with that character
Nah, Doctor doom is smart. If a plot is ever stupid that was just a Doombot.
@@Wertsir
I bet Doom himself uses that as an excuse for his actual blunders.
At any rate, it’s still stupid of him. Get your impostors under control, Victor! Do you want to start another international incident?
@@BlackCover95 What's really stupid is how "diplomatic immunity" is supposed to protect him from consequences. Also, there should be a "stupid villains" episode about Thanos, if there isn't one already. I haven't watched this channel in a while.
@@louisduarte8763 his diplomatic immunity is basically there so nations don’t have to go to war against a super genius with tech on par with Wakanda and mystic powers that rival Doctor Strange.
@@scatman786 Tbf in the Fantastic Four comics the FF and the Pentagon give no f*cks about Dr. Doom's sovereignty either. War is just a formality with Doom since he's started conflict with just about every major nation in his quest for power. One time Doom stole Odin's powers, so Asgard isn't even safe from him.
"Syndromes plan is stupid, he can't be a super hero. They are outlawed." but also "Syndrome's not a true super hero, his powers are tech-based."
You should really pick one of those, honestly. Back when the movie came out, I thought his plan was great because he could allways go for "I'm not super, it's all tech. Now buy my super-tech."
Perhaps, perhaps not. Be rather hard to prove all your powers are tech based unless you turn them over to the government and the leading reason for the ban on hero's was property damage. Something Syndrome really doesn't care about so would likely be as big an issue as ever.
The other thing is it's not exactly proven Syndrome didn't have a super power. Sure he didn't have a flashy super strength or speed but he was insanely smart and made technology decades if not centuries ahead of the rest the world. Lot of other hero's or villains that just have one gimick like that. The Molenator or what ever from the second movie after all was mostly just a guy with a digging machine.
Well still kinda works. Superheores or rather self justice is forbbiden. But he is still not a superhuman.
But phrasing, but tracks
He wanted to prove he was better than a Super. And if he was better than a Super then by extent he would be a better hero as well.
@@JustaGuy_Gaming the govermant probably already knows symdrome is tech after all he was seeling weapons for a long time to everyone who would buy it i doubt the govermant didnt buy tech from him
@@JustaGuy_Gaming The leading reason for the ban STARTED because of property damage. But it became more of a discussion on "these people are SUPEr, and protect us but there's nothing stopping them from turning those powers on us"
Which is insanely dumb because how come the people never thought of that before
Syndrome might be a few cells short of a brain and his plan was about as well planned as drunk stand-up comedian but he still holds one of my favorite villain lines ever
"And when everyone's super, No-one will be"
Welp, I suppose that was the entire point of the fable. The boy was brilliant, but got distracted by bad motivations. With his genius, he could have become a genuine hero - protecting people, helping communities thrive. It's a good lesson for all kinds of humans, young and old.
Low hanging fruit is still fruit and I'm hungry lol
Props to the hero’s that destroyed the robot on their first try
I feel like his idea that "If everyone is super, no one will be" is very flawed in another way. Suppose everyone has super powers or in his world the same gadgets, that doesn't mean much since everyone is unique in how much they know or can do. Even if the gadget is some how an omni-purpose tool, some people will be able to use it in smarter ways than others. Some will have more endurance or strength. Just because everyone has the same thing doesn't actually mean they ARE the same.
Here's a good suggestion of villains too stupid to win. The Enclave from Fallout 2 & Fallout 3.
Seriously what the heck were they even thinking in Fallout 3 their plan and intelligence in that game was beyond stupid.
You could even probably make a video about why Caesar was a complete hypocrite and his Legion was doom to fail in the first place.
Oof, I don't support the Legion at all, but the comment section of that video would be a bloodbath even Lanius could appreciate
Also the institute from fallout 4, Caesars legion from NV, Mr house if you think about it real hard, and the brotherhood.
@@elilope7992 As long as House had a good lieutentant, his plan would work. He had everything else in place. Gambling income, power from the Dam, crime families almost in his pocket, a robot army waiting for him, and top-notch IT security. His ego was a weakness, but he wasn't as delusional as Caesar or the NCR. NCR was too corrupt and Legion drew too many enemies while denying modern combat tactics outside of spycraft.
@@richardarriaga6271 So basically he was always doomed? I'm not sure there's been a dictatorial 2nd in command that didn't want top spot. House is so physically vulnerable you can just lock him out of his own tech, imprisoning him in his owners life pod, all because he was forced to trust an outsider he couldn't manipulate or control due to a necessity he created for himself
@@elilope7992 Wait, ARE the Brotherhood of Steel villains? I could also see an episode about Vault-Tec, what with how many Vaults' "experiments" were more sadistic than scientific.
Edna moda should be played by Danny DeVito in a live action version of this
To be honest he was one of the few villains who I genuinely could not see coming, I unironically could not see him of all people being the villain.
By doing Syndrome Media Zealot basically covered Aldrich Killian from Iron-Man 3.
I don't recall if Syndrome's zero-point thing was destroyed by Jack-Jack, but it seems he could of stopped the car thrown at him with that power.
Although he still has human-level reaction time, he still was able to dodge the log thrown at him before with far less distance, but instead he opts for a "Oh no" instead.
Also even the robot was flawed, every time it is beaten it upgrades such that it can't lose the same way again. Yet it is defeated in the end the same way Mr. Incredible stopped it before.
Misconception. There are a myriad of ways to do the same action. The Robot only learned one way and evolved to counter that way. The second way in which it was done was far too different.
@@LuisBrito-ly1ko The fact that it was still able to pierce its own body with its own claws is the problem. It should have been impervious to self harm at least by its claws.
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Remember that that claw was propelled and rotating, giving it way more penetration power than its own mechanical arm.
Love how you used clips from the movie itself as commentary. I love Tuvok, but this was a clever choice!
It's weird how you didn't mention that he'd probably be killed by the super villains in the long run. They're ruthless in the Incredibles and have no reason to fall for his traps.
Yah it’s clear that Syndrome was exploiting the hell out of the hero/kindness bit of the people. And when his machine knocked his ass out in seconds, it’s safe to assume his pride was coming for him
Well, in fairness, no matter how ruthless they are in the Incredible-verse, they still repeatedly lost to superheroes, while Syndrome slaughtered dozens of heroes without anyone noticing.
Syndrome is, in fact, an utterly ruthless supervillain himself; that he deludes himself that he's a hero only makes him more dangerous. I can totally see a situation where a villain has a hostage and Syndrome kills both of them so long as he thinks there is no-one around to witness it, which the villain would not see coming as he expects Syndrome to be a good guy.
More so syndromes robot killed hundreds of heroes. We've seen how he does in a fight.
There's a fan theory that when Syndrome started out on his revenge plan, he went to Edna to have her make him a super suit, and since she missed those days she probably was alright with making him a suit, but she included the cape because she sensed he wanted it for bad reasons and thought it could backfire on him like it did for other Supers.
Or Syndrome showed Edna the outfit design but she started laughing uncontrollably so he made the outfit himself out of spite for her.
I have an idea that syndrome identifies with Zeus with the Kronos thing. Mr incredible was kronos, "afraid" of how great buddy would become so he "devoured" his hero career, not knowing "zeus" would eventually destroy him for that slight
"Any normal person would think they're about to lose a kidney or be inducted into a pyramid scheme"
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Low-hanging or not, fruit is fruit. I'm glad to see another one up so fast, your stuff is always fun to watch.
Oh Syndrome, he really could have been a great hero.
Not really, his ambitions and desires always ran counter to heroics. Had he been a smarter or more moral person, maybe.
@@Craxin01 ... That's FiveToedSloth's point.
@@Craxin01 Bro are you dumb?
He COULD HAVE been a great hero. that also implies if he had better morals
The incredibles is definitely a top 5 animated movie in my household... loved your video on syndromes many psychoses
Syndrome was a temporary obstacle, the real “villain” was the Omnidroid. A machine with the ability to learn and adapt to a given situation. If Syndrome weren’t dumb enough to test it on Mr Incredible (who survived his test), then it would take way longer to find its weakness. Also, imagine if another character (from the future or another dimension, just an idea) got ahold of the Omnidroid before it was destroyed, and modefied it to fix all the mistakes that Syndrome overlooked. What would the heroes do then?
I appreciate that you don't necessarily claim every mistake a villain makes as bad writing. Sometimes it is (cough Seska and Voyager Borg cough), but usually it's an intentional or realistic part of the character.
I love this series, and hope that you one day write a book about a villain who gets it right.
Make sure to give him some style!
Like this one:
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Thrawn. The EU version (the Disney one bastardised him somewhat). He is the very definition of a Pragmatic Villain, to the point that you actually root for him.
One of my favorite villains is Dr. Hatch from the Michael Vey books. He develops a source of unlimited clean energy through his mad science. His bosses tell him to stop the mad science because they can take over the world economically. Dr. Hatch starts a coup against his company because he doesn’t care about money, he cares about mad science.
😂 bru I would be pissed if I was the ceo . Imagine having to explain to your investors and the government how one of your employees using technology developed by your company went and did some crazy shit you had nothing to do with
Altayveyon Gunner “Don’t worry, Mr. Moneybags, we aren’t brainwashing teenagers with electric powers to commit crimes anymore.”
I wouldn't say that Syndrome was stupid. I would say he was prideful. All he wanted was respect for his talent in mechanics and he didn't get that so it hurt his self confidence. Often times, those who have their self confidence hurt take refuge in arrogance, vanity, and pride.
I think Syndrome sees himself as Zeus in the Kronos narrative- overthrowing the old Titans (Mr Incredible and the other heroes) and ushering in a new generation of superheroes led by himself
You know I just realized, it was never stated if Mr. Incredible brought up Buddies actions when the was being sued so theoretically Mr. Incredible took the blame so Buddy could grow up with a clean record.
Another overlooked point! Great catch. I've always wondered about that too
"Nice job incredibitch"
I almost died laughing
One thing I always wondered, with the heroes gone: what happened to the villains?
Did the villains just simply say "okay, we'll stop too"?
Did the goverment(s) "keep" a few heroes around in secret, to neutralize them without anyone knowing?
Or did the goverment(s) simply, somehow, send in the army and whatnot and kill the villains, or what?
The villains did pretty much give up. They really needed someone to oppose them and when heroes got banned, there was no one to gloat over.
Like you said, he could have made his fortune with the zero point energy thing instead of getting funding from murder industry
I think any reasonable person in his place would set to undo what he caused -a world without heroes, instead of trying to create just that
His AI idea wasnt that bad, he could have invited the heroes to his island to give them the opportunity of having a fun fight against his big robot, Mr Incredible certainly enjoyed the idea, while having the robot be programmed to merely incapacitate them through non-lethal means instead of making it a killing machine
Bam, you made a hero paradise outside the law, I think they could forgive him if he did that
Then he could use his human-friendly AI to replace the police world-wide and he'd get what he wanted, to be the only hero, plus indirect world domination as he'd be the one in charge of the robots like any villain would dream of
He could even use his robots to coerce the politicians into lifting their ban on superheroes, I dont think any hero would still be resenting him for what happened when he was only a child but I think they'd still appreciate having their freedom back to use their powers openly even if they're not needed anymore
As for Mr.Incredible himself, if he resents the guy that badly and wants the guy to apologise to him he certainly could if he wasnt actively trying to kill his family(even then the old hero showed how much he regretted how he treated Buddy), hell if he wanted to beat Mr Incredible up I'm sure the guy would be down for that as well, he accepted his invitation for to do just that - have a fun fight -,they could surely work out their issues together by beating the crap out of each other.
And if he wanted to apologise to Mr.Incredible for, you know, ruining his superhero life(I'm pretty sure he'd feel guilty about that if he toned down that ego) he would be able to after getting to know the guy, hell he might even get him to finally be the father figure he wanted from him! Though Mr Incredible absolutely did not owe him that, in fact he owed Mr Incredible for SAVING HIS LIFE...so uh maybe he could also try to pay that back by giving him free healthcare? Reducing the colesterol alone would do wonders for someone in his condition, maybe also paying the college for his kids idk the guy is a billionaire he can afford that and everybody would love him for it
All of this would require maturity, insight and self-awareness. Things he doesn’t have. I think he might have had borderline disorder.
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Agreed
But it doesnt mean he couldnt have though
He could have visited a therapist to try dealing with his mental disorders and he had decades to self reflect on what he wanted to do with his life, he was smart enough to figure that and he had the time for it
Ultimately it was his choice to go down that path despite having the intelligence to know that what he was doing was wrong and honestly a terrible idea
Basically Syndrome could’ve been the Iron Man if he was able to get therapy and treatment, makes it sort of tragic knowing that he became a genocidal egotistical man-child.
Ginger Tony Stark without the armor, yeah
Instead he settled for cartoon Bond villain
@@ale-xsantos1078 Then again, he could’ve gone for armor if he had therapy, who knows.
0:00 I caught you monologing!
I’ve always wondered if the true irony of Syndrome is that he is actually a Super-genius (for tech) and so had a power all along.
If he wished it, he could have gotten fame, respect, girls and money by his own intelligence.
Sadly he was to far gone to see this alternative solutions.
I love The Incredibles movie. But when it comes to syndrome, I actually agree with you.
His whole motivation is based on a silly childhood grudge, he has absolutely no idea what it means to be a hero, and his big master plan is riddled with flaws.
He's basically a child that refused to grow up.
And the sad thing is if he had just gotten over his grudge with Mr. incredible and looked beyond his own ego he could have actually been a real hero.
Maybe not a superhero. But his inventions could have solved the world's energy problems. Heck, even his work on artificial intelligence could've been beneficial.
He could've been revered by millions the world over without having to put on a cape, mask, and spandex.
But nope, instead he focused on a shortsighted con to outshine his childhood hero for "rejecting" him.
“Possibly lacking a father figure” that shot took me out 🤣😭
Point 4: He made the biggest mistake of all. He wore a cape.
This just let's me know Zealot would be the ultimate super villain.
Getting a video from you is like finding a cure for cancer.
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Thank you Dennis very cool
Least Syndrome was a deliberate case of 'Villain Too Stupid to Win' because he hadn't quite thought through his ambitions near as well as he THOUGHT he did.
I always felt that Syndrome was on the spectrum. he just seemed like he had autism. Lots of things in his attitude and thought processes reminded me of myself, and other autistic people I have met.
Suggestions for future "Villain's too stupid to win" videos
House Harkonnen & Emperor Shaddam (Dune)
Vought America (The Boys)
Voldemort (Harry Potter)
"You're a master of robotics! You could use your inventions to be an actual hero to the world!!"
"I don't want to be an actual hero! I want to fly and use a cape!!"
Media Zealot another great video. I have watched your channel since it was only a few videos. It is great that you continue to make more videos.
Although, they may seem stupid in the end, they are actually smart if they had used their intelligence for good instead of being the bad guy that always loses. If Syndrome had somehow legally sold his gadgets to people, then he would have been considered a hero and basically achieve his plan anyway.
I believe it is because these villains were created to be destroyed or defeated. It is very rare that a supervillain actually succeeded in the end. It is why they are off to a great start but end up losing somehow anyway. Sometimes, the creators and producers would literally bring out something no one ever expected and out of nowhere to change the whole thing around so the hero wins even though he was on the brink of defeat.
Syndrome is like a young Tony Stark if he was 3x more arrogant and had a chip on his shoulder.
He could have been batman, but he was butthurt because Mr Incredible was mean to him one time.
I'd like to see you do one on heroes. There's gotta be good examples.
The problem is most hero's win due to coincidence and plot armor. But either way rare is the story where a hero totally and completely fails. The best you usually get is a bitter victory at a great cost.
@@JustaGuy_Gaming true, even Mr Incredible probably should have died. I think he could find one though. Arya Stark was way too stupid in later thrones seasons for example.
@@Guyinadifferentroom I think over all a hero segment would be something like "All the reasons they should of Failed". Like Mr. Inedible for instance was just a super strong hero out of shape.
Syndrome was his ultimate fanboy for years, he should of known every strength and weakness he had more than any other hero. Yet he successively killed others for years and just failed on Mr Incredible for a few months?
@@JustaGuy_Gaming good idea. I think Batman should work for that too. Any super strong person hits him he should be dead but he's Batman so.... I do like him a lot though.
@@Guyinadifferentroom Yeah you'd think people talk about how Batman was off the streets for weeks at a time due to an injury. Or Bruce Wayne showing up with a limp. Cause prior to Justice League Batman didn't exactly have magic or super science to heal any injury.
Yet he gets by basically untouched by any lasting injuries with nothing more than some stiff muscles doing what he does.
One thing I’ve always appreciated about the Marvel universe is that almost none of their sups wear those obnoxiously cliché capes, possibly recognizing how hazardous they are. The only well known exceptions I can think of are Magneto, Doctor Strange, Thor, and The Vision.
Ironically, he would have been the greatest Hero in History had he made his limitless source of energy public.
Syndrome’s a great villain but a terrible hero.
Which is perfectly written and communicated in this masterpiece of a movie.
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Also me: ah, I see that you are a man of culture as well.
4:45 You have a point there, he could have easily earned the title of hero and have been considered among the greatest inventors of all time with this technology, a name remembered for generations after the superheroes of his time had been forgotten.
Syndrome was smart enough to win, he was just too emotional to win.
Technically speaking, Syndrome did win... he just didn’t know when to quit.
Not exactly. He never really achieved his goals.
@@fightingmedialounge519 Well, when you look at all he accomplished to set up his revenge plot goal... His intelligence gave him money, power. He just failed to realize that because he never got the praise from Mr. Incredible. It's a bit tragic when you think about it.
@@wrayday7149 yeah, but all that money power never really got him what he wanted. It's why I said he still technically failed.
Ironic thing is the best thing he coulda done to defeat mr incredible was not invite him to the island and leave him in his miserable job
Man i totally forgot about him.
If he had just grown up he could have just been a super hero.
But instead he insisted on fermenting in his self pity.
To further prove the point you make at 11:53, immediately after the final battle there is a scene in which the Incredible family is being escorted home in limousine, and federal officials inform them that Syndrome's assets are frozen.
Syndrome's plan was doomed to fail. Not only were Supers still banned at this point, but he's a sociopath who has no concern for anyone else, and only cares about getting what he wants. Remember how people banned Supers because they were sick of collateral damage? Just imagine how much collateral damage SYNDROME would have caused! Like when he carelessly threw that tanker over his should doing his "fight" with the Omnidroid, or his reckless actions when he was a kid. He doesn't care about anyone's well-being, and sooner or later, that's going to cause problems. And when it does, Syndrome will certainly refuse to take responsibility for his actions, because he ALWAYS blames everyone but himself.
Syndrome's moral compass is so far off kilter that he can't even PRETEND to be good. Sooner or later, people would've seen him for what he really was, and rejected him. And if Buddy Pine became Syndrome after being rejected by Mr. Incredible, how would SYNDROME react to being rejected by the WORLD? THAT is why Syndrome was never going to be a hero; it's just not in his nature. I personally don't believe that Buddy turned evil after being rejected by Mr. Incredible, I think he was EVIL ALL ALONG, and was always going to become Syndrome no matter what Mr. Incredible did.
Good content bud! Without revealing too much, but it's Krish! You've improved a lot and your content is just as amusing as before, good to see you continuing your dreams!
"This guy makes Dukat seem positively lucid."
_Now, hold on chief..._
@10:11 didn't Syndrome also underestimate his abilities of creating a good adaptive AI program
A combo of "Villains too stupid to win" and "Civilizations too stupid to exist" would be Voldemort, Grindelwald and the magic world of Harry Potter.
For the villains, do you actually believe people who have to do gestures and speak the spell names to actually cast them would quickdraw faster than a police officer with a glock? I can imagine them taking at most a small town, but not the world.
As for the society, they not only (willingly) got stuck In the late 19th century, but also exist In a proportion of around 10.000 muggles per wizard. Moreover, I refuse to believe that, if they get to the 21st century, they'd manage to be hidden for long considering how surveillance advanced, no amount of Obliviate would hide them.
And lastly, if they ever decided to wage war against humanity, remember WW2 weapons showed to be a threat to them In Grindelwald vision.
Technically not all the spells have to be verbal.
1:14 OOH! Self burn! Those are rare!
5:22 Anyone else pause the video to read what's on the Computer screen about the other Supers and Omnidroid versions?
11:47 Reading these newspaper articles again, I think I see where Marvel Comics got the idea for the SHRA, and that Incredibles is basically family-friendly WATCHMEN.
I've been waiting for this since I discover your channel/series
Thanks