Marc Petitjean explains the fly tying Swiss Vise
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- After having received many questions regarding the vise I am using, I have made a short film with Marc showing many of the functions and applications of his fly tying Swiss Vise.
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Love seeing the passion of design that Marc exemplifies! I was going to ask about a pedestal right up to the point he created one !
Thanks...
Mr. Petitjean,
Seeing your work of art creation, is a most powerful moment in my life.
My career in Architecture has always been detailing and solving problems (35 years). I had the opportunity to solve a detail configuration of a metal skin panel that the company's own engineers could not. (Enrico panels) they needed the horizontal joint to be the same as the vertical joint, and after weeks of chasing it down, I accomplished it. It was first used at the International Airport in Las Vegas. This and many other problems solved not only in architecture but solar power and fuel devices, In third world countries, India especially. No one but another detailer or engineer such as you could ever appreciate any of this.
I say this to put in context, how much I LOVE and appreciate every single minute detail of this vise, absolutely incredible.
I do not know what the cost is, but whatever it is, it is money very well spent and earned.
I first tied a fly when I was 10 years old, I looked at a book in the library reference area full of BEAUTIFUL Flys. I went home, took a hook, some red thread and trimmed hair off our dog. It took two days without any vise.
I love fishing and the hunt of fishing, I have always (obviously) had a passion for Flys and jigs. FINALLY at 63, I am wholeheartedly pursuing my dreams.
My life statement has been ... "there is ALWAYS a better way!"
Thank you again Sir from the essence of my core.
Nick De Luca in Redfield Arkansas, USA
( P.S. for anyone reading this and laughs at it, you are forgiven, and your welcome)
Thank you Nicholas, may your journey continue.
Marvelous design. I can see the amount of time and thought you put into this vise. Congratulations!
Thanks very much Jack!
That is the dream vise. Congratulations 🎉🎈🍾 every time I thought that’s the best vise ever you show me something else that I could do. Thank you.
I have the chance, I say the chance, to use one of these since two years, and it is really fantastic. Of course this piece is certainly expensive, but I think that this type of vice is for life. It is a real pleasure to use such a piece of art (It is true piece of art but also a piece of very high technology) the design is outstanding. Materials are incredible. All of Petitjean pieces are the same, the bobin holder for example is the same. Thank you Marc for all of these pieces. For me the best vice in the world.
I'm very happy to have bought this vise, it's great! Best part is that as I get better at fly tying I'll be able to get more use out of this vise because it's capabilities are beyond my abilities. Plus it's durable. The very first thing I did when I got it, was dropped the top part of the vise onto the floor from about 4ft and that did absolutely nothing to it. I don't suggest dropping it but I've got butter fingers and now I'm not worried about damaging it hahaha. I've tied 60 flies now and have been posting them on my Instagram. I love every minute of it honestly! Looking forward to getting some more bells and whistles for it, like the bobbin rest, tool rest, pedestal, gallows system etc. I travel a lot so it will be nice to have the pedestal so I can use it on the road where I can't clamp it down.
Great vise! So pleased that you like it!
Thanks Barry, I have the vise too, and I learned a lot from this video. All the best, Sean
Beautiful vise, and definitely a piece of art.
Thanks for sharing this video with us. Aloha🌴🦐🎣🕊
Thanks Kent.
Thank you for the wonderful video.....necessarily will make such same machine itself
You put a lot of thought into your vice it's about the neatest damn thing I have ever seen i wish I could afford one I have been using a Thompson model a for years
Modify what you have, to exactly what works for you. I've use the same indian vice for decades, and only changed a few minor details, without going down on gear ever.
Superbe étau et matériels ! Très belle démonstration. Merci. Bonne année 2020
This is amazing.
Yes its a great vice.
I like the jaws, beautifull workmanship.
Fantastic piece, top notch engineering. Been a Dyna King fan for many years, very satisfied with my Barracuda. But this is another level, with so many features and details - and especially how you can adjust it for more comfortable tying positions at the bench. I'm impressed and really have to get this. Hope it's possible from a shop/webshop in Norway. If you have any idea I would be grateful. Thanks for sharing Barry.
Yeah, I have a Barracuda and an Indexer and they don't come near the Swiss Master. I'm pretty sure that Marc has NO dealer in Norway now, but you can try ordering from Veniard or direct from Marc himself.
@@Thefeatherbender thanks for replay and info. I found one Norwegian web shop with the vice seemingly for sale, but nothing in stock or at distributor, so I'm a bit unsure. I will look into Veniard and Mr Petitjean. Appreciate it.
Realmente fantástica tu prensa!!!!👏👏👏👌
Saludos desde CHILE🙋🇨🇱
Gracias Javier...
Blooooody hell what a vice😳 good to see a fellow County man coming up with the best ever vice well done. Would love to tie a fly on this Rolls-Royce of vices. Sadly out of my price range. Concrats on this super vise well done. Greetings from Ägeri
Yeah, great vice Chris!
@@Thefeatherbender are you tying on one of these? Love your videos. Thanks for your tips and tricks, i enjoy them very much. Getting hooked on tying 😜 greetings and ta
@@chrisgull6250 Yes I am tying on a Swiss master. Thanks Chris so pleased that you are enjoying them. If you are getting hooked on tying may I recommend: www.bookdepository.com/Feather-Benders-Flytying-Techniques-Barry-Ord-Clarke/9781910723944?ref=pd_gw_1_pd_gateway_1_1
Very innovative as Marc's other tools. I suppose the next version can also be converted to a class 4 flyrod :-)
Hi EJNAR, thanks, You have no idea what he is up to...
Like a Swiss watch,a work of art
Would love that vise.
Hi Dominique, yes it's a great vice.
This looks very well made. I didn’t see a material clip or holder, did I miss that?
Hi Cachi, there are two material clips one each side of the jaws on the neck.
@@Thefeatherbender OK, thank you.
great video
Brilliant
Curious...there are certain industries with names so powerful that putting the names on an object will increase the price 10 fold. "Wedding" is one, take a 100 dollar dress, put that word on it and its price goes up to 1000. "Fly tying" is certainly another.
Your right, but you have to establish that name in the first place I guess!
ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL VERY NICE!!!!👍
Excellent grip!
Nice Video !!!!
Wich Hookbox is that where you have your Hooks in it , it looks nice ....
I search vor a good Hookbox .
Thank You from Hamburg/Germany ;-)
Hi Oliver, I believe they are old TMC boxes.
Ahaaaaaa, first I was thinking that it looked absolutely beautiful AND completely wrong, then he turned it around to a righthan operation, and then everything fell into place, juuuust beautiful....;- )
Way too expensive for me though, but if I ever get rich, You Know....;- )
Hi Bjarke, yes expensive but a great vice, the best I have ever used.
Nice vice is Marc petitjean left hand it can you turn the vice to suit you own needs a all the extra that you can buy for it he left nothing out at all keep them video coming love watching them all Thanks Feather bender
Thanks David.
This is a Wonderfull vice.
I did watch this vid several times.
But,...........hooksize 30 (small) to what biggest size?
What is the biggest size of the hook with I can use with this vice?
Maybe I want to buy this vice for lifetime.
Greetings from The Netherlands and tight lines.
Hi DFF, the largest size hook the Swiss Master takes is 6/0. I will be doing a book signing and tying demo in Utrecht 1st Feb 2020 if you are in the area.
I used a Swiss Master vise/outfit for the first time last week. The left-hand orientation doesn't seem to be a problem - you get used to it, although it's unnecessarily silly in a mostly right-handed world. I had it for five days, and I liked it a lot - BUT. My LAW jaws on their articulated arm offer a better all-round approach to the hook. Agreed, I'm wedded to the LAW which quickly became an extension of me. LAW hype is all justified. Owners want to be buried with theirs.
If you can't find an original LAW (it'll be a huge price but will never be worth less than you pay for it) or a super quality copy (still expensive) then the Swiss vice is probably the best alternative. Significantly, if you want a Swiss you just write a check. If we want a LAW you learn how to plead, and to pray. Exchanging a kidney might work.
If you can't afford either, then you are amongst the vast majority, and there's not much point in saying your Thompson can do it all just as well. Similarly, there's little point in saying your Ford gets you to work just as surely as a Rolls Royce. It does, but ............you know.
Bravo!
it's certainly a Swiss Army Knife vise!
One thing I am curious about is in the comments about this vise you say it is the best vice you have ever owned. In your walk through of your tying room you said that you use a regal revolution for all your production tying. Is it because of the easy clamp for the regal revolution that you use it for production tying? I can certainly see the advantages to the Swiss Vice over the revolution. I'm just wondering why you use the revolution for mass production tying, which I am assuming means making multiples of the same type. Has this changed and you now use the Swiss Vice for production? I have noticed that in all your videos you are using the Swiss Vice. I'll probably just have to settle and get both :p They both seem to have different strengths.
Hi, I choose the Swiss vice over any other because it just does everything that I need it to do, on every type of fly and then some! When I am production tying (making multiples) I use the Regal because it is ultra quick to mount and dismount all hook sizes without making any adjustments. But none of the Regals are true rotary and on many patterns this is a great advantage.
@@Thefeatherbender I really appreciate all the replies! Upon careful consideration of the pros and cons of each vise I have decided it would be best to get them both but absolutely the swiss vise first.
its amazing for sure but how much is it all i dont tie that many flies but im an engineer so i find this very interesting and quality of course
Hi Danny, well I have no idea what it all would cost, but it's not cheap... I could guess around 2000 Euro, so its not for everyone. Marc was a Swiss watch maker in his earlier life. He still makes all the prototypes at home in his workshop.
please tell me what is the difference between Petitjean Swiss-vise Master and Petitjean Swiss-vise C-Clamp
Hi, the Swiss vice comes with a pedestal and the Swiss master comes with the clamp as you see in this video.
@@Thefeatherbender Thanks
Fantastic Vise, however, I found it quite complex, and VERY expensive. Lots of Stainless !!!!! I prefer the simplicity, and the ingenius design, of a NOR VISE.
Fair enough!
This is a great looking vise, I wouldn't compare it to my existing one (I was lucky enough to purchase a vise when LAW was still making them) but for me the one design feature that I don't quite get - it seems designed for left handed tiers with the jaw adjustment screw placement? As a right handed tier, don't you have to reach over the jaws to fiddle with the adjustment screw? I guess you get used to vices and their peculiarities, my left hand just has muscle memory and It can sit/twist the vice without me noticing when I tie on mine. Also, have you thought about designing your own? CNC shops can create prototypes quickly and even open source CAD software is certainly at a point where it could easily be used for tying vise design.
Hi Michael, yes we all have different needs when it comes to a vice, for me this works much better than my LAW. I have 33 vices of varying quality and this is the best, currently for me. Yes Marc designed this for himself, left handed, and it was annoying to start with but I got him to make the the jaw adjustment screw a little larger and that works better.
@@Thefeatherbender Makes sense, would you ever think about designing our own vice?
Opinione modesta la mia...non mi sembra che tutte quelle regolazioni portino a una facilità di costruzione solo a una complicanza...il prezzo del morsetto e' alto. Potrei dire che non mi piace nemmeno il design ma lì va a gusti. PS amo del 32? Non so se vince marinaro li fa ancora..ma..che pesci prenderesti con una misura simile di amo? Ciao scusate l opinione mia personale.
Thats quite alright Aldo, each to their own!
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Hey Barry, the thumb screw on my MP vise loosens after a few turns and I need to retighten it every couple of flies in order to keep the tension. Is this normal? It seems of I turn the handle clockwise it keeps the tension, but anticlockwise it loosens after a while.
Hi, this is also a problem I have had. I resolved it by dismantling the gear and cleaning it! Good luck!
@@Thefeatherbender hi Barry, thanks for your message. So, you removed that pin behind the thumb screw in order to remove the shaft from the housing? I'll give this a try this weekend if I have the time for it. Thanks a lot!
What's the hook size range for the the MP jaws?
Hi Fly Rider, it's 6/0 - 32
@@Thefeatherbender thanks!!
How does the Swiss vise compare with Dyna-King's ultimate indexer?
Hi Roger, you can't compare them, the Dyna-king Ultimate indexer I also have and have used. I had problems with the DK, the jaws where not tempered correctly and every hook I placed in them made a indentation in the jaws! I contacted DK and explained the problem. They were not interested, said they would replace them, and I ended up paying for new jaws that where just as bad as the first ones. You can read my review of the DKUI on my flitting blog.thefeatherbender.com/2012/11/30/dyna-king-ultimate-indexer/
Hear! hear! I bought the DK Excalibur this year and was very disappointed with its ability to hold hooks securely. I dug my hole deeper and bought the midge jaws, no better. It's a very well made vise and I loved everything else about it - but I had to move on. In my opinion, anyone that usually ties sizes #12 and smaller should look elsewhere.
Será que aqui no Brasil encontro pra comprar
How much does a Swiss arsenal vice cost, and where would a person purchase one if so inclined?
Hi, the price varies a little from shop to shop but around $600 I think and you can get one at any Hareline or Veniard stockist.
Hi Barry, Hi Marc
ask more than answers, how i install the Accessories Support to the Tool holder. Are they new ? with my old one i can not do that.
What i need now new ? both or the Toolholder or the Acc.Support ??
No words if the ACC.Support is small enought to hold the normal TyingThread spools.
Thanks..
But why you upload in 480px it is not good quality
Cheers
Susi Suppe
Hi, you can find all the accessories on Marc's website www.petitjean.com
Sorry there are Nothing. Thats is the First i was locking for. There is no Parachute Tool, and the old Acc.don´t fit to the Toolholder. The New Tube Needels are also not at the Page !!!!
Hi, The tube fly tool is free with every Swiss vice! Then I think it best that you send Marc an e mail and ask where you can get these items.
yes i have write 2 mails no answer. i thing i look to a new vise from Regal
Super machine want this
I got nothing but......WOW! 😯
Great vice!
Really need the translation into Russian language. understand only half of it... very interesting! Thank you!
Sorry, I don't know how to do that, good luck!
still very informative and very interesting tool for knitting flies. Thank you!
Is it swiss made, like made in Switzerland?
Hi Sander, yes thats correct Swiss made.
I cant see reason why to buy this vice. Stonfo transformer vice is cheaper and about a same quality, its also easier to change between tube and dry fly jaws
Hey Martin, you make the comment that the MP vise is about the same quality as the Stonfo. Did you have these two vises side-by-side and do a thorough comparison or are you basing your observation on internet pics? Thanks
But how much is it.
Hi Al, I believe that the current price is around $750.
@@Thefeatherbender thx .
How much? 5,6 hundred?
Not sure what the price is right now, but it's certainly not cheap!
Swiss manage to transform metal machining into an art.
Very very nice how many bank loans do you need to buy one of these then lol
Thanks Matt, I guess at least one!
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Goodness gracious its a vice . It looks more like the inside of a sewing machine , not necassary
Once you have tied on one, you will quickly understand how great this vice is...
A shame I'm not left handed.
Hi Mark, I am right handed and have no problem using it.
@@Thefeatherbender "The arm bender"?.......
Demasiado complicado.
Not at all, but each to their own.
this stupid vise have the adjustment screw on the other side, I have to waste few second each time finding it, it seem very silly.
Yes Ian, Marc is left handed and its designed for a left handed tyer.
Pretty weak gripe for such a awesome product. I've had this vise for a while and never noticed. Not sure I would even care even if took me a few seconds to find the screw (which it doesn't).
was there one made for right handed? this one seems to be the nicest one ive seen that has all the bells and whistles, id pay the price if they had a right handed version
800$ for a vise... It's made in aluminium not in gold...
Actually steel, but it's a great vice that will increase with value each year...
@@Thefeatherbender I but I can't understanding why a vise is so expensive, the same for a renzetti master at 1000$ I'm in France and for a renzetti master with taxe, it's 1700 €...
And a stonfo elite it's the same at a renzetti but for 200$...
But people bought vise at 800$ the company next year put the price more expensive...
@@axelg4263 As with most things they are available in many price classes, from cheap too very expensive. It's all about your requirements when tying and of course your budget. You can get a decent vice that will perform for a couple of hundred $ but a vice in the top price range will last you a life time and not decrease in price really. The top vices can be as much as: www.barder-rod.co.uk/product/law-fly-tying-vice-made-by-lawrence-waldron-in-2008/
nice vise but for 500 bucks no thanks..
Yeah, its expensive....
Yes expensive but the only vice you will need for the rest of your life 500 bucks for 20 years means 25 bucks a year to tie on a vice like that.
Worth every penny
@@robertfusco1271 true.. but my hands shake now and at since I will be 68 soon with a bad heart I do not think I would get 20 years out of it.. maybe 4 or 5.. But still.. it is a real nice vice.. wish I had one when I was younger.. I would not be able to tie a fly on anything else once I used that swiss.. Carry on I love your channel..
No i will stick with my Kaimen vice thanks!! Utterly ridiculous what some will spend on flyfishing......youre tying flies ffks.
Rip off!!
Sorry...