ok to be honest. This book club was MUCH better than previous ones. I appreciate you being spontaneous ans the show being a "mess" kind of intentionally. But I still also find the book club best when you actually talk about the book, theorize and go chapter by chapter and disect the plot instead of weird tangents. Try to keep it at least loosely connected to the book guys! I watched literally every book club of you btw, keep rocking :)
Thank you guys so much for doing this series! That was a fun experience. I am truly curious about how you will feel about the other Cosmere books. Regarding the "Rashek: good or evil?" discussion: I'm glad that we don't have a definitive answer (I'm leaning evil). I think that Sanderson's intention here was to allow people to have exactly the type of discussion that you two just did. Nerdy, if you're frustrated with WotC (I can totally relate), have you considered giving Pathfinder (2e) a shot? Paizo has been working hard to get away from the OGL stuff since that entire mess started, and the system is a lot of fun, and very expansive in terms of role playing etc. The combat appears to have inspired the action economy in Divinity: Original Sin 2. It's very intuitive. If you’re interested in some PDFs, that can be arranged. The rules themselves are also available online for free. Looking forward to the Elantris discussion. Who knows, perhaps a miracle occurs and I can finally watch live again for once.
Thank you SO MUCH for the Super Thank Sammie! We do have a ton of Pathfinder stuff, just haven't had time to fully learn it yet! Definitely something that is on our minds cause we really enjoyed Divinity 2!
35:50 not really. The book doesn't say that Rashek was a good guy. Kwaan sent him out to kill Alendi if need be. This book more so offers an explanation to all the magical stuff that happened after he took the power at the well, because Sazed can now see all the things that happened. Also, Sazed is now part Ruin and Preservation, so he is going to be somewhat sympathetic to the conflict that Rashek got entangled in. Rashek was worse than an average person of his time. The interaction of the powers made him into what he eventually became, but he wouldn't have become that bad if he wasn't a bad guy to begin with.
I don't think that Rashek was a good man; he just wasn't 100% evil. Just mostly evil. When Rashek held the power he did genuinely try his best to save the world and got progressively better at fvcking up less. But he did also create a slave class of people, and turned all of his own people into mistwraiths so nobody would be able to challenge his power. He did also create the caverns and food stores in case he failed. And he stayed directly above Ruin's prison and kept up a gigantic soothing at all times to reduce Ruin's ability to influence the world. That's why Ruin can affect the world more after the Lord Ruler died, because he wasn't being constantly soothed anymore.
Exactly, he was a bad guy and were he a better man things could have gone differently. But a the same time he did what he could to in this millennia-long battle between two opposite gods. There was a method to the madness, he wanted to establish total control until the well was full again so that only he could access the power because he was the only one who understood the power better than anyone else. It's easy to moralize in a black-white sense and say he was evil, but the shards themselves aren't good or evil, it is also important to acknowledge that some things beyond his control were at play.
A lot of people want a Mistborn Animated Series with the Arcane Series Art Style. That super realistic depiction of emotions n that pastel color that each frame can be a work of art from the Shining bright colors to those dark ash real lived city look. Perfect for those emotions moments, showcasing the world around them on a clear but full of dirt n grit for a realistic world that looks like a painting.
1:01:26 No, Vin is not hidden because she is hemalurgically spiked. Hemalurgy is of Ruin (i.e. the spike is made of Ruin's power), once you are spiked he can track you anywhere in the Cosmere (for the most part). The metals are the keys to both Ruin and Preservation's power, that's how their powers are expressed in the physical world, and that's the reason why Allomancy and Hemalurgy are so focused on metals. Looking at large concentrations of metals would be like looking at their own power, it will shine brightly and you can't see beyond it so it becomes a blind spot of sorts. Anyway things will become more clear as you learn about the Cosmere. Just because you don't understand something yet doesn't automatically mean there is a flaw/plothole/inexplicable.
Regarding the future/ruin conversation, the properties are not transitive; the future is not ruinous by nature, but ruin is by nature future oriented. Another angle, Ruin and Preservation are directly oppositional powers, so with Preservation inherently past-focused temporally speaking because it strives for the present be as the past was, while Ruin must be forward-looking to set the current circumstances up to guarantee a future deterioration. At least, that's how it all squares in my head.
The idea of "hearing" every word I read as if it were spoken out loud is wild to me. I've never thought of that before. For me, I'll see the words on the page initially, but after a short time I am no longer "seeing" the words. I am experiencing a full color 3D visual movie. My eyes are devouring the words and I'm no longer "in this reality" and definitely not noticing that there are words in front of me anymore. If someone comes up to me and gets my attention while I am "watching" the book movie, it will legitimately take me a few moments to "return" to this reality and be able to properly focus on the person in front of me. Once I am done reading, it can take a good while before I feel like I am fully present again. It is why I tend to try and read books in one sitting if possible because I don't like interrupting the "movie". Last week I set aside time to read Rhythm of War, and did nothing but read, eat and use the restroom for two days solid. My body hurt something fierce after the fact and it probably didn't help my eyesight; but I really didn't want to stop. (both because of the story itself and the way I experience reading.)
That’s fascinating, I’m not as intense as you, but I do always see a visual movie when I’m heavily reading. But if I’m less focused on reading I will have a voice actor reading it in my head like I’m listening to an audiobook
All Humans are made out of Ruin and Preservation, each has unique abilities n some that both have. Ruin can talk to anyone spiked but doesn’t know what the person is thinking, while preservation can hear what u thinking but can’t talk to u. If u remember Ruin needed people to see, talk out loud (it needs to heard if it could not see it), that was why inquisitors needed to intercept messages carved in metal n have them read it by touch before they also could not see what is carved in metal. Metal is like a flash light (metal glows on the magic way Gods see), We also have learned that Some Metals (Not All) are part of the body of a Gods. Ruin cannot see inside an empty cave until a human enters n cannot see the meat plates with words to read them until some read them out loud or write them out. Nerdy there is a book with short stories of many stories of the cosmear, in some of them u will learn more about Mistborn n Elantis n many other wolds in the Cosmear Universe. I recommend u star writhing down main word building laws of the universe on each book because in some of the other stories clues u guys need to know or thinks will really go over u guys head. This is not Wheel of time where u can ligh read boring parts of a book. Have ur notes or cheet sheets of everything important like the rules, laws, numbers that are important that they repeat multiple times (16), name of Gods their abilities n source of power.
I don’t know that I’ve thought about it this way before but spook getting a shout out at the very end specifically as “kelsiers wish” to have him be mistborn after saying how Kel never paid attention to him must have felt really good. Love this series! Can’t wait for you to do more :) also you should definitely do a cradle reaction. They’re a lot shorter so you could do the whole series in 12 weeks as a bonus book club if you wanted to.
The book says Ruin influenced him eventually, not mind control. Also, as for the power of Rin and the future you can look at as ruin in the future of everything.
I remember when i first read era 1. I binged the audiobooks over two and a half days, basically without pausing or sleeping. I remember laying in bed at 3 am listening to the ending then laying basically catatonic for the better part of an hour. Then i started it from the beginning.
If it makes the Koloss battle a bit better, my headcanon is that Ruin was pushing them so hard, that when the front got bogged down, the rest kind of turned on themselves, and it all devolved into a self-destructive brawl.
Does Brando ever mention what they have for painkillers here? Poor Lester may only have home made whiskey to ease his 3rd degree burns. I wonder if soothing works on pain?
2:28:00 nVidia is worth one year of Canada GDP. That's comparing Income to Wealth. Wealth you can only spend once, Income you earn annually. The estimates for nVidia's income is 28 billion, so 1/100th of a Canada.
18:57 the kandra just copy, like they gain an understanding of the anatomy/physiology and copy the creature. They don't add/absorb the bones/meat into their own mass
Nerdy as a DnD player u key prefers this explanation: Sazed the new God ruling this world, is a dual class player with powers that do not complement each other but are actually the OPPOSITE. Sazed is max level, n each power prevents the other for going full power on one direction forcing a valance that can create Unique things that they could not do alone (like human 49%Ruin,51%Preservation) but as a DM what is ur experience of max level Dual Classes players vs max level single class players? Trust the Author if u not understanding something that information has already given stop n take notes n make sure u have it no information is waisted.
I know yall have already read warbreaker at this point, so... your tangent at 2:06:08 about how to read words or just know how they mean comes up in that book. Prior to about the 1800's people didn't read "to themselves" they had to very quietly mutter the words like a character in warbreaker. Yall are basicly two sides of that transition.
"Of all of *us* who who touched it, I feel she was the most worthy", Who is *US*? Sazed, Vin, Laras, and who? Laras died halfway across the continent about a week or so before Vin ascended...
Man discussions are going to be like 10 hours when they make it to Stormlight. That series is philosophical as much as it is an epic fantasy.
I keep having that thought over and over.
ok to be honest. This book club was MUCH better than previous ones. I appreciate you being spontaneous ans the show being a "mess" kind of intentionally. But I still also find the book club best when you actually talk about the book, theorize and go chapter by chapter and disect the plot instead of weird tangents.
Try to keep it at least loosely connected to the book guys! I watched literally every book club of you btw, keep rocking :)
Thank you guys so much for doing this series! That was a fun experience. I am truly curious about how you will feel about the other Cosmere books.
Regarding the "Rashek: good or evil?" discussion: I'm glad that we don't have a definitive answer (I'm leaning evil). I think that Sanderson's intention here was to allow people to have exactly the type of discussion that you two just did.
Nerdy, if you're frustrated with WotC (I can totally relate), have you considered giving Pathfinder (2e) a shot? Paizo has been working hard to get away from the OGL stuff since that entire mess started, and the system is a lot of fun, and very expansive in terms of role playing etc. The combat appears to have inspired the action economy in Divinity: Original Sin 2. It's very intuitive.
If you’re interested in some PDFs, that can be arranged. The rules themselves are also available online for free.
Looking forward to the Elantris discussion. Who knows, perhaps a miracle occurs and I can finally watch live again for once.
Thank you SO MUCH for the Super Thank Sammie! We do have a ton of Pathfinder stuff, just haven't had time to fully learn it yet! Definitely something that is on our minds cause we really enjoyed Divinity 2!
35:50 not really. The book doesn't say that Rashek was a good guy. Kwaan sent him out to kill Alendi if need be.
This book more so offers an explanation to all the magical stuff that happened after he took the power at the well, because Sazed can now see all the things that happened. Also, Sazed is now part Ruin and Preservation, so he is going to be somewhat sympathetic to the conflict that Rashek got entangled in. Rashek was worse than an average person of his time. The interaction of the powers made him into what he eventually became, but he wouldn't have become that bad if he wasn't a bad guy to begin with.
I don't think that Rashek was a good man; he just wasn't 100% evil. Just mostly evil. When Rashek held the power he did genuinely try his best to save the world and got progressively better at fvcking up less. But he did also create a slave class of people, and turned all of his own people into mistwraiths so nobody would be able to challenge his power. He did also create the caverns and food stores in case he failed. And he stayed directly above Ruin's prison and kept up a gigantic soothing at all times to reduce Ruin's ability to influence the world. That's why Ruin can affect the world more after the Lord Ruler died, because he wasn't being constantly soothed anymore.
Exactly, he was a bad guy and were he a better man things could have gone differently. But a the same time he did what he could to in this millennia-long battle between two opposite gods. There was a method to the madness, he wanted to establish total control until the well was full again so that only he could access the power because he was the only one who understood the power better than anyone else. It's easy to moralize in a black-white sense and say he was evil, but the shards themselves aren't good or evil, it is also important to acknowledge that some things beyond his control were at play.
36:24 wrong. Zane was already mad/evil in the first place, which made his susceptible to Ruin's influence. Same thing with Vin's mom.
A lot of people want a Mistborn Animated Series with the Arcane Series Art Style. That super realistic depiction of emotions n that pastel color that each frame can be a work of art from the Shining bright colors to those dark ash real lived city look. Perfect for those emotions moments, showcasing the world around them on a clear but full of dirt n grit for a realistic world that looks like a painting.
1:01:26 No, Vin is not hidden because she is hemalurgically spiked. Hemalurgy is of Ruin (i.e. the spike is made of Ruin's power), once you are spiked he can track you anywhere in the Cosmere (for the most part). The metals are the keys to both Ruin and Preservation's power, that's how their powers are expressed in the physical world, and that's the reason why Allomancy and Hemalurgy are so focused on metals. Looking at large concentrations of metals would be like looking at their own power, it will shine brightly and you can't see beyond it so it becomes a blind spot of sorts.
Anyway things will become more clear as you learn about the Cosmere. Just because you don't understand something yet doesn't automatically mean there is a flaw/plothole/inexplicable.
Regarding the future/ruin conversation, the properties are not transitive; the future is not ruinous by nature, but ruin is by nature future oriented.
Another angle, Ruin and Preservation are directly oppositional powers, so with Preservation inherently past-focused temporally speaking because it strives for the present be as the past was, while Ruin must be forward-looking to set the current circumstances up to guarantee a future deterioration.
At least, that's how it all squares in my head.
I think it's all explained pretty well in secret history
Watching the moment when Nerdy enacts Ham making a decision on 1.5 speed is all I needed
The idea of "hearing" every word I read as if it were spoken out loud is wild to me. I've never thought of that before. For me, I'll see the words on the page initially, but after a short time I am no longer "seeing" the words. I am experiencing a full color 3D visual movie. My eyes are devouring the words and I'm no longer "in this reality" and definitely not noticing that there are words in front of me anymore.
If someone comes up to me and gets my attention while I am "watching" the book movie, it will legitimately take me a few moments to "return" to this reality and be able to properly focus on the person in front of me. Once I am done reading, it can take a good while before I feel like I am fully present again. It is why I tend to try and read books in one sitting if possible because I don't like interrupting the "movie".
Last week I set aside time to read Rhythm of War, and did nothing but read, eat and use the restroom for two days solid. My body hurt something fierce after the fact and it probably didn't help my eyesight; but I really didn't want to stop. (both because of the story itself and the way I experience reading.)
That’s fascinating, I’m not as intense as you, but I do always see a visual movie when I’m heavily reading. But if I’m less focused on reading I will have a voice actor reading it in my head like I’m listening to an audiobook
All Humans are made out of Ruin and Preservation, each has unique abilities n some that both have. Ruin can talk to anyone spiked but doesn’t know what the person is thinking, while preservation can hear what u thinking but can’t talk to u. If u remember Ruin needed people to see, talk out loud (it needs to heard if it could not see it), that was why inquisitors needed to intercept messages carved in metal n have them read it by touch before they also could not see what is carved in metal. Metal is like a flash light (metal glows on the magic way Gods see), We also have learned that Some Metals (Not All) are part of the body of a Gods. Ruin cannot see inside an empty cave until a human enters n cannot see the meat plates with words to read them until some read them out loud or write them out. Nerdy there is a book with short stories of many stories of the cosmear, in some of them u will learn more about Mistborn n Elantis n many other wolds in the Cosmear Universe. I recommend u star writhing down main word building laws of the universe on each book because in some of the other stories clues u guys need to know or thinks will really go over u guys head. This is not Wheel of time where u can ligh read boring parts of a book.
Have ur notes or cheet sheets of everything important like the rules, laws, numbers that are important that they repeat multiple times (16), name of Gods their abilities n source of power.
I don’t know that I’ve thought about it this way before but spook getting a shout out at the very end specifically as “kelsiers wish” to have him be mistborn after saying how Kel never paid attention to him must have felt really good. Love this series! Can’t wait for you to do more :) also you should definitely do a cradle reaction. They’re a lot shorter so you could do the whole series in 12 weeks as a bonus book club if you wanted to.
The book says Ruin influenced him eventually, not mind control. Also, as for the power of Rin and the future you can look at as ruin in the future of everything.
38:45 It's not about good or evil. Shit ain't so simple ffs.
Do the Graphic Audio version of Sanderson's Cosmere books!!! Their voice actors are AMAZING! They don't have book readers they use Voice Actors.
I remember when i first read era 1. I binged the audiobooks over two and a half days, basically without pausing or sleeping. I remember laying in bed at 3 am listening to the ending then laying basically catatonic for the better part of an hour. Then i started it from the beginning.
If it makes the Koloss battle a bit better, my headcanon is that Ruin was pushing them so hard, that when the front got bogged down, the rest kind of turned on themselves, and it all devolved into a self-destructive brawl.
Does Brando ever mention what they have for painkillers here? Poor Lester may only have home made whiskey to ease his 3rd degree burns. I wonder if soothing works on pain?
2:28:00 nVidia is worth one year of Canada GDP. That's comparing Income to Wealth. Wealth you can only spend once, Income you earn annually. The estimates for nVidia's income is 28 billion, so 1/100th of a Canada.
18:57 the kandra just copy, like they gain an understanding of the anatomy/physiology and copy the creature. They don't add/absorb the bones/meat into their own mass
Loved this book club so much! What an awesome journey ❤️
Nerdy as a DnD player u key prefers this explanation: Sazed the new God ruling this world, is a dual class player with powers that do not complement each other but are actually the OPPOSITE. Sazed is max level, n each power prevents the other for going full power on one direction forcing a valance that can create Unique things that they could not do alone (like human 49%Ruin,51%Preservation) but as a DM what is ur experience of max level Dual Classes players vs max level single class players? Trust the Author if u not understanding something that information has already given stop n take notes n make sure u have it no information is waisted.
Dix-sept, dix-huit........DEEZ NUTS!!!
I know yall have already read warbreaker at this point, so... your tangent at 2:06:08 about how to read words or just know how they mean comes up in that book. Prior to about the 1800's people didn't read "to themselves" they had to very quietly mutter the words like a character in warbreaker. Yall are basicly two sides of that transition.
Marsh definitely didnt die...Elend failed to kill him and was beheaded because his blade caught on the spikes in his spine.
1:22:03 "Mormal" - Clarus Polaris
I don’t think Nerdy knows what Absurdism is. Kinda sounds like he’s confusing it with surrealism.
everybody dont eat simps
"He kinda did become Kelsier in a way at the end of this book" *Popcorn munching intensifies*
I would love if you guys did Cradle! Most of the books are short enough that they would only take 1-2 weeks anyways.
"Of all of *us* who who touched it, I feel she was the most worthy", Who is *US*? Sazed, Vin, Laras, and who? Laras died halfway across the continent about a week or so before Vin ascended...