Zuljin doesn't need to be difficult, to get wins.
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If u ar playing safe, u can also use your 1-button ability. For example to take a keep or for the boss rush🧐
I really missed that 1 ability in this video too. It’s even safer than using the trait.
I love the concept of a character that's seen as a sort of berserker hold back until no one expects it anymore. There's a lot of narrative tension if his enemies are expecting him to let loose, even trying to provoke him and failing, then once they're out of options, only then does he truly unleash his fury.
Amount of not slicing his own hp for additional damage and speed for stacks makes me feel very uncomfortable
Either he's not good at zuljin or he's trying to show a safe way to play like what a silver player would look like
@@PantsMan21 yeah he def plays safe with auto attackers. I think he just forgets to use it, because he has plenty times to use it when it was very safe for him to use it
@@chandlerkeck6361 also it wasn't a baseline for him for ever. this was added at the last "kinda rework" of ZJ to give it to him as baseline
i guess he doesn't play a lot of ZJ ;)
@@pun15h3r. thats true I forgot about that
@@chandlerkeck6361 but yeah.. his 1 should be waaaay more used as he did (in fact he didn't take it even ONCE lol xD )
I understand playing safe, but you didn't use 1 during the curse?
NP need to use you 1 on occasion.
Personally, although my winrate isnt the best, as a level47 Zul'Jin i tend to find that each talent in each teir depends on what you are fighting. Also don't be afraid to use the extra ability! It takes half of your current health yea, but it heals it back as well! So just position accordingly. Headhunter is better vs teams that tend to be range heavy, just remember you need some dive from your team to help finish the quest but the extra increased range makes it incredibly rewarding for the later parts of the game, especially with things like Eye of Zul'Jin. Recklessness is my personal choice of a talent when the enemy team runs dive but maybe isn't all tanks/bruisers so my AAs will be hitting decently anyway. The mindset with this talent is that if they want to engage they will and having increased damage while taking part in the fight will benefit you greatly as you stack your AA (and maybe W damage since Recklessness increases spell damage as well :D). Boneslicer is as Paradox stated, the beefy bois talent. Pairing Boneslicer with Grevious Throw to have a much larger uptime on increased damage (Even further by Grevious Throw and Boneslicer) is always great as some healers won't be able to keep up with the damage being put out. Level 4 follows the same mindset, if they can just engage as they please, either Voodoo Shuffle or Amani Hide, if the enemy team is more combo orientated and less likely to roam alone or perhaps your healer just needs some extra help keeping the team alive Troll's Blood is a great choice. I personally always pick it when stacking W damage as the full cast allows me to get mana back as well (although not enough to neglect wells!). Level 7 follows my talent choice at Level 1, although in some cases you may find more value weaving talents together such as Headhunter and Ferocity for range and speed. I dig Arcanite Axes on maps like Volskya, Sky Temple, or Cursed hollow where teams tend to stick together more often. Taz'Dingo at Level 10 will always being a shining star and the upgrade at 20 makes no exception, however some games may be able to call for Guillotine, as an example maybe you have drafted 3 front lines a healer and yourself. Ideally in this case the frontliners can handle finishing kills but having the extra range and damage from Guillotine (Remember that the lower your health the more damage you do, so press 1 unless being attacked!) is usually a welcome addition from an experienced player. Level 13 is all about the movement, of yourself or others. Lacerate is a great talent if your opponents tend to clump together like on Volskya or maybe have a healer such as Alexstrasza. Eye of Zul'Jin is the least effort required to gain benefit from the talent, just keep hitting and winning! :D A personal favorite of mine is Ensnare, this can catch someone out of place or open them up to engagement from your team even after a cleanse has been used. Plus, in situations where you can secure a gank, ensnare makes it very tough for an unaware opponent to get away (also works on fleeing opponents as well!) Level 16 is what it comes down to as a tipping point for any build, although arguably every talent works with any build. No Mercy allows you to be able to neglect armor from some characters like Garrosh which makes you a much stronger force in a teamfight, although the talent seems mostly negligible being able to do raw damage is always a welcome advantage. Wrong Place, Wrong Time is similar to Lacerate where it gets huge value versus clumped teams and even more when you realize each hit on the apex increases your quest progress by 5. I pair this with ensnare at times so when hit just right, you get burst damage, slow value, and a root to help you secure a kill. Let the Killing Begin is a monstrous talent in games where you are able to secure kills, especially alongside Eye of Zul'Jin, Ferocity, and Recklessnes. The amount of damage you can output (Especially if you've used your 1 ability and maybe even trait if you feel good about it) is a nightmare for anyone on the recieving end. As far as 20 goes, either you upgrade TD to Amani Resilience or you take Forest Medicene. Buzzsaw has potential team wide damage but resetting your health to full when most of your damage comes from stacking and being lower than full seems a bit counterproductive. If you're relying on it to heal you, then you may be playing the fights a bit unintended. Those are my thoughts, nothing to officially follow and you don't have to take my word but I've always felt the potential for this hero was underminded by other heroes and i want to share my passion for the axe troll himself.
Paradox shows so much respect for Silver players. He seems confused that they make dumb decisions even though they are in Silver
Thanks for the informative video.... been trying to figure out how too Zul'jin for a bit now.
If you're not inting for stacks you're not playing zuljin correctly
I love zuljin in low ranks because people underestimate his trait. I have seen so often people AAing me when im at 40% or less,just for me to burn trough their 80-90 because they bursted me and then started attacking.
Hi man loved the video, gonna try out that playstyle. What lvl 20 talent would you have picked?
No clue what he would have picked but I’d probably have picked the Regeneration talent. He hadn’t used Taz’dingo before that point so I imagine Regeneration is the way to go for that.
Great video as always. Do you possibly have a link to all the talents chosen for this build?
Hey, your vids are amazing. Would you please make a guide on how to stay calm when dealing with flaming, blaming or illogical teammates? Thank you for your time making all those guides.
Here's the guide:
1) turn off player chat
Enjoy!
Quick tip, don’t feed the trolls. It’s never good to try and talk sense into someone whose clearly not having it.
Surprised you don't use 1-press abilities Para. Do you not do it for these vids so it's easier to follow or do you just prefer press + click abilities? Also notice you didn't use Amani Rage at all, do you not like it because it's too aggressive and you like to play safe? I always struggle to play Zul'jin and I think it's because I try and stay about mid health.
Nice a video of da troll! I thought I never be seeing dat!
Go Q build and get his lvl 16 talent that allows him to ignore armor. You can shred deathwing.
I really don't like this way of wasting Zuljin's poential. When you are never in a low HP state - you are wasting the attack speed - DMG. You never use 1 - you lose consistent value. IMHO - it's not safeplay hero. You wanna play safe - play Reynor. I would not recommend use this hero in that way.
I don't see the problem in playing safe on him. Even with wasted potential, you still outdamage raynor. You also have zuljin exclusive tools such as root removal, armor ignore and boss damage, which have nothing to do with reckless playstyle. His ult is also one of the best tools for anyone, which is often offset by the fact that zuljin is more risky to play. Now, if you DON'T play risky, it should make the ult even better, since it's your true backup plan and not a necessity.
I'd love to play as Reynor, but sadly, he's still an SC2 exclusive so far. Would be interesting to see how the devs would implement his signature skills like Ling run-bys.
Zul is very safe with a good positioning and passives for more range on auto-attack. Inmortal Ulti is pretty OP too
What I do is I try to get my u want axe as fast as possible go for the w quest and stack a lot you will destroy in late game with that, also a quick tip when I you q pop ur trait for the extra dmg when the mark fades turn trait off agaim
Can you put your builds in the description so I can refer back to your videos?
aww man my pocket pick featured now its going to be tough for me to get him this week. good vid though NP thanks for the awesome content!!
Very nice pointers. It's fun to see you play a hero you're not so comfortable with as what you do makes it more applicable to how lower level players would play. Technically, I mean. Your decision making is of course Master level.
What talent would you have taken at level 20? And did you ever use Amani Hide? I didn't notice if you did. Under what circumstances would you recommend using Amani Hide?
I think he just isn't super used to the hero and just forgets to use it. The most important thing about Amani hide is to use it in high health. one you don't get much value at low health and it just makes you easier to kill. when I am safe, I use it quite liberally for one, to stack a lot faster early game, and two when I am high health and still want to burst down people. especially when you get the movement speed talent and you are chasing people is also a good time to use it. For level 20 talents, honestly, they are both good though personally, I like the heroic upgrade because it gets rid of the heroics main weakness and makes it really strong. If other people have different opinions or tips I'd be interested to hear them.
@@chandlerkeck6361 nah, good explanation.
Agreed ;)
One of my fav heroes because of his massive dmg output, that people still underrate..
.. and pay for.. with their deaths :D
Always use amani hide when doing camps. In teamfights, I use it when my team is the focus/the enemy can't get to me, either due to cc or my team being in the way.
At lvl 20, I find that the more one uses amani hide, or wants/needs to be safe, the better forest medicine is. It makes it so that you're always with high hp during a team fight to discourage dives, makes chasing safer, and allows you to 1v1 safer due to you using amani hide for a quick burst of dmg followed by forest medicine to make sure you don't die.
Up to plat, pick headhunter. You'll get it before 10 every time.
Also in plat you can go for it. 4% more damage is a very nice scale.
Pick headhunter everytime (except Abathur games)
I think it is risky once you reach certain rank
@Order & Chaos im ranked as platinum 3 right now and I have denied Zul Jin that quest a few times. Must be so tilting seeing a guy in the enemy team with 0 deaths while you got that quest.
"I dont like to think about am I going to land it am I not going to land it" using a build based on skillshot.
Last I heard, Zuljin's auto attacks are not skillshots. Yes, it's funny how often he misses Grievous Throw (Q) in this match even though it should be much easier to land than Twin Cleave and Guillotine, but it also shows you how it's not *that* important to land it. With these players, it may even help him stack more as they always stay in the fight while they have enough HP remaining, so that extra damage isn't helping you in any way unless it secures a kill, in which case, congratulations, that hero will be back on the field within 15 seconds.
Either way, if the enemy team gives you that many free stacks in the early game, they'll have a hard time securing and maintaining a lead in the lategame as long as you, the Zul'jin player, keeps playing it safe.
Hah! My favourite build, but recently suppressed by peer pressure. After playing this build a lot I started practising mage build. Learned new reflexes for mage build and when I came back to Taz’dingo I found myself activating Taz’dingo automatically immediately after rooting an enemy and while still having 50% HP :). My lesson: If you feel uncomfortable looking like an idiot don’t mix builds :). Regarding stacks: They are not as valuable as you portrait them to be. Sure the more the better, but most of the power comes from Q, trait and natural scaling. The difference between 80 stacks and 200 stacks is something like 24 damage points per attack. If you hit way over 400 late game (with Q and trait), that 24 is not a gamechanger.
That sentence did not need a comma in the middle to be grammatically correct.
i prefer the W build personally the W, 1, r with guillotine is a spicy one shot nd i love it. even tho i never always land it i still tend to land my W at the apex at least 80 percent of the time
First w at 2:15?
The lvl 1 hesdhunter might be a dead talent BUT if u complete it... the 7.7 range is just not natural for troll
W build with Zuljin is way better. Also, you dont take more damage with the trait up. You take a bit of damage every basic attack you do. This video was nice for total beginners of Zuljin, but the hero has a hell of a lot more potential than this video shows.
Lvl 165 ZJ here and watching this video made me cringe a little bit on the inside. Once I saw he didn't do W and then was like I would rather not rely on "If I lad this" but is building a Q build where you MUST hit your Q to get any value and he misses half of them. W build is by far the better build. Consistently putting out over 150k Siege and 125K+ Hero Dmg per game. This build was by far the most vanilla and safe ZJ I have seen.
@@blockchainp By the end of the game, W build is just massive AoE potential that teams just cant deal with. It completely forces the other team to constantly engage your team or just get zoned out every fight. The guy making this video has no idea what he is talking about lol Not to mention once you get the talent that center hits add X amount of hits to your basic attack quest, Zul Jin can just mow down 1v5 almost.
Why are Icy Vein guides so different in talent suggestions from the vids i watch!
Even works in Diamond 1 😅
Why do you not use the voodoo shuffle (#1 key)?
How can u guys stack so fast? I just stack every 5th aa....what do I do wrong?
Edit: I saw a video of Fanhots where he got 2 stacks every hit. He finished "you want axe?" in just 3 Minutes
this video was made before zj had the level 1 that gives 2 stacks. now with that lvl 1 talent he gets 2 stacks for every hit when he is under 50% but that didnt even exist when he made this
Suddenly zuljin is fun for me? thanks bruh.
Ult once in the whole game = best value XD
The value of Taz in the enemy sees it and dont dive you.
Unless I missed it, you never use your rage, why is that?
if you only have 75 stacks by level ten on ZJ there is a big problem
NotParadox sets it as a goalpost for players first trying out his advice. They're free to move the goalpost if they feel confident enough. This is probably a good initial goal when considering that these players are also just starting to learn how to "play safe". You just assume they intuitively know, which isn't always the case. They may just hang back without doing anything and then overcommit when they feel pressured for whatever reason... or their killchasing mentality takes over again because they stopped thinking.
Long story short, NotParadox is trying to give advice to players which they can apply right now, in their next match and probably see good results, even if they won't necessarily win the match. A lot of low rank players don't (want to) know what they should be doing and start blaming whoever doesn't seem to be dealing enough hero damage if the match isn't proceeding the way they want. Match statistics are nice, but don't tell the whole story. Anyway, this is why a clear and easy goal to start with is important. 75 stacks by level 10 should be doable with Silver MMR.
literally not once this game did you activate your 1
70% winrate with zul'jin here , with 300 + games. It's pretty op.
what if they have 1 frontlane? And many range assasins
Then pick something else:) Heroes with good CC and single target burst are very good imo. Like if you play tank: Garrosh -> look for a clever flank-> throw some isolated backliner to your team and snowball teamfight 5v4. If you can play assasin i would go for: Zeratul, Genji or Qhira( if you can play em well). From solo laners i think that Chen is very strong against backliners. I am not support main, but i carried my self to plat by playing Stukov. His silence is super good against mages in low/ mid ranks. After lvl 13 you have root + silence for 2 and after the root end they are still silenced and should be CCied by your team mates. Zuljin is not very good against 4 ranged.
If they have only one frontliner you just melt him down. Arthas is a good option as a bruiser against solo front because of his consistent dmg and high sustain.
@@renem2647 Simply put pick meta heroes draft a good comp with no role missing(tank,healer,bruiser/second tank,2 assasins)
@@filipsemancak2705 meta heroes aren't always the best picks against every comps. There are heroes u don't want to play because they get countered from heroes that aren't necessarily meta, but still viable.
@Order & Chaos Espesially li min/chromie.
Lvl 165 ZJ here and watching this video made me cringe a little bit on the inside. Once I saw he didn't do W and then was like I would rather not rely on "If I lad this" but is building a Q build where you MUST hit your Q to get any value and he misses half of them. W build is by far the better build. Consistently putting out over 150k Siege and 125K+ Hero Dmg per game. This build was by far the most vanilla and safe ZJ I have seen.
Well yeah, it's a beginner's build. It's for those who are not yet acquainted with zul'ja boy.
If you have balls... at all pick headhunter (expect Abathur games)
Even then, a simple 8% damage buff isn’t all bad
ZULJIIIIN!!1!1!1!1! I LOVE U NP:3333
this guy talks so good what was his mmr again? Kappa
GenG Rich's tip for playing zuljin: maintain about 60% hp with trait
@@seanalexander3400 Yes and the point of my comment is you shouldn't be at full hp as Zuljin
@@dowiifish3112 I was agreeing with you dude. Just added my comments about health management.
@@SithLandlord Oh ok, I misunderstood my bad
@@dowiifish3112 no worries!
if ur playing zuljin, here's a tip. Go to your browser, right click on the fb tab, select "mute tab"
@ 5:00 you didn't ping tbf
You're going on and on and on about your trait and I don't think you pressed 1 all game lmao
His trait is his D not his 1
always full life, never use "1" ..........one hour to stack :-)
Why is Headhunter a dead talent? Ik it takes a bit to stack, but it doesnt take thaaaat long, especially in silver. People fight all the time
It's also easier to use in order to kill enemies. 'cause you don't need to land anything to damage more your opponent, especially when you fail almost all the time the Q spell. However, the Q spell talent seems stronger against the buildings. But, I prefer Headhunter anyway.
Like he said,one guy might just decide to stay away from your reach.
@@LordxGx07 i really like headhunter. they only time i don't pick it is when im playing against an abather or a hero that based on our comps i think we would have a really hard time killing. Its also very important to let your team know who you still need to kill so they can help you. when you do complete it you can attack from half a screen away. I rarely die with headhunter complete
@@chandlerkeck6361 y in that case its an obvious choice not to take it
@@karasutsuki1733 and it is still dmg increase of 2% for every hero you kill.. (or your team)
so no dead talent at all.
I guess he just doesn't like stacking talent because they need time to finish and therefor you don't have that consistency that he talks in all of his videos..
I like it too and i get it finished in all my zj games, and THEN it is soo nice to have
But his build is also good i think, especially vs frontline that rely on armor if you go the 16 talent(Garrosh)
And it's a consistent way to get good dmg IF you can consistent land your Q ;)
This video is outdated, there are no exp globes :v
Zul’jin is still the same though (I think?) so only part of it is outdated
This isn't a great guide. Why not use the health drop/regen for attack speed to build stacks, specially early when you were freely attacking mura. Could have had that quest done 2 minutes earlier.
Wrong talents, recklessness at 1, Amani hide at 4, should be stacked by lvl 8, then arcanite is stacking huge
EZ clickz....next video EZ Hanzo wins pls
why the fuck are you attacking the enemy tank
But paradox, you don’t focus the tanks!!! Kidding, I really hate that advice. Sometimes you can only hit the tank so that’s who you hit.
I mean i had 48 wins and 14 losses with Raynor last seasonin storm league. I just hit the hero that is closest to me and focus on stutter stepping and dodging skillshots. I don't care much about who i hit. My point is: "Hit and don't get hit." So 80% of my auto attacks go into tank. When we are in big numerical advantage like 5v3 then it's possible to focus healer without being peeled. I don' t play Zul' jin, but i am sure that he should played in a similar way.
Filip Semančák oh for sure and as long as you stay alive that’s what is important.
@@filipsemancak2705 Yep, this. If you complete headhunter you end up with huge range, which allows you to focus squishy targets from safety. But until that point, you hit and don't get hit.
I consider it as a more “Hit whoever is safest,” especially in cases where you have a quest to hit people. As Raynor I LOVE when a tank/bruiser stays way to long and I’m able to build up stacks with Unstable Compound and Behemoth Armor quickly. If your dead then your not getting quest stacks and if your not getting quest stacks then what’s the point of the quest?
As a zuljin main I had to stop looking, too much cringe for me how many stacks you could have picked and these talents that show how not aggressive enough you are playing
Press 1 and use trait more. Giving me anxiety choosing to be weak lmao
Man....press 1....lul
yeah xDDDDD why not?
This was to encourage playing safe, so the only safe time to do that would be while someone else is tanking the camp or while a building is on someone else. Even then, the enemy could show up. But yes, I don't think he even addressed that ability
@@aaronolson6736 yeah but there were many times where it was very safe for him to use it. I think he just doesn't play the hero very often and just forgot he has it
RIGHT!?
First game I played with Zul I got MVP...he's broke and needs a nerf. Extremely OP in a good players hands and makes bad players good.
How to play Zul'Jin like a wuss.
Talks about playing safe while trolling lower ranks... Weird seeing someone who cares about KDR in a moba. Some people.
Plays 5-man-premade: "Zul'jin is great hero for moving up in rank". Sure, its the hero, not the fact there you are a coordinated team. Lulz.
yet they were not coordinated. the method of communication was just pings, which should be normal for any rank. his team also ARAMed until they died.
@@yargolocus4853 Having a history of playing together regularly or semi-regularly implies a coordination in their behaviour, as they know what the other members of their team are likely to do or not to do. Therefore, they are a coordinated team. Coordination does entail more than voice chat. A common experience in playing the game is more important that outside communication, as is evident by observing non-esports such as football (or soccer for the US) where verbal communication is not always feasible due to distance and the overall volume during a match (fans and their "trumpet toys"). Yet they manage to perform a coherent strategy throughout the game. How do they do that? By practicing together, aka playing together. So yes, they are a coordinated team and claiming that Zul'jin was the main factor driving this game is therefore a broad assumption.
@@Bubbl3Bubbl3gum I'm actually impressed. I knew the individual pieces of information here, but never put them all together before this. Thank you
He's not in 5 man. They're a 4 man with him on their team.
@@yddraiggoch_48 I think the point still stands the same. The team is a team. Not that he was ZJ. Plus he played a horrible ZJ, so he is nowhere close to why they won or a carry.
no no no no. This is all wrong
I think smurfing really makes this game great... 😐
First XD
Half of the time he has no clue what he is talking about.
stop smurfing
The problem with you in this video is that you are not being impactful in a game for a most part.
This video surprised me (in a negative way). I think you played him really poorly and basically did not do anything out of the ordinary - some might say, quite the opposite. Fan's ZJ playstyle, imo, is much, much more flashy, effective and pleasurable to watch.
Well sure, the ex-pro playing at a Masters/GM level is going to out flash the guy showing basics to people looking to move out of bronze/silver.
such a boring zul jin
hm... today you played very poorly :)
Many mistakes, and never used the amani rage in the whole game.
Interesting fact, that if your teammates play poorly \ very good, that's influencing your performance too. I always see this when I playing. Maybe this is the answer for sometimes why so one-sided one-one match.
I swear, amani rage is a huge trap. Popping it is a cue to get bursted from literally every single enemy ever.
@@unnamedtheanonymous763 Being good Zuljin is having the lowest hp that is safe enough.
@@Kashiarii Full Health isn't safe enough.
@@unnamedtheanonymous763 Enemy have a limited capability to deal you damage. Sometimes you can even safely AA enemies with 1 hp, because they have no tools to take this 1 hp.
Knowing exactly what is the lowest safe hp is very hard. That is why Zuljin is one of the heroes with the highest skill ceiling.
lol dude are you seriously asking where your team is while smurfing in silver.........
nigas
Paranoiz n word funny haha
This guy is starting to get a bad rep. His 5head attitude and average gameplay in low rank games is difficult to watch.
Takes a Q build, cant land 8/10 skill shots. EPIC FAIL! I mean come on dude your earn your living from this, at least practice.
People still play this game? Lol. What a joke.
cringe