Correction to the stats at 6:50! The stat breakpoints we will hit with this meldset are actually 4831 Gathering & Perception for the max value on the collectable skill. The high-end breakpoint *is* 5085, but we don't hit that as it's just the Proc chance for skills that get boosted. Once the new left side gear is out in 7.1, we'll be able to hit that. For this video and the Recommended meldset, the correct stats you'll get to without food: 5031 Gathering 4834 Perception 938 GP With Nasi Goreng: 5111 Gathering 4834 Perception 994 GP
careful with highend meld teamcraft recommended, Legs 3rd overmeld is Grade 12 4th Gp2 5th gathering 3....the 3rd overmeld is like 10x more expensive when you can easily do Gathering X/iX and easily overcap by doing higher gathering/GP on last1
Yeah I've just replaced lower level materia with IX/X when I could since I have amassed 2 million cowries in island sanctuary, so EW materia is basically free for me. I'm also making tons of money by just buying materia in island sanctuary and selling it on the marketboard lol some of the prices are insane right now
Yeah, I had some interest in pentamelding initially, but when I realized how much work it was going to be I just.... didn't feel invested enough to put in the work. At the moment, I've got all base slots filled, and one overmeld slot filled with rank 10 materia mass-purchased from my island sanctuary. It ain't much, but it also didn't take me an eon for upgrades I'll probably never use.
Great video! Personally, I used old materia i had available to hit some breakpoints and filled with whatever just to start farming spritbond. Probably not as fast as this yet, but it hasn't cost me anything so far and I can nearly re-meld my current gear with materia gained from spiritbonding I do get. Granted it won't be as fast and as profitable as this but if you're not chasing the fastest method off the bat and want a place to start to get the high tier melds you need for this I still recommend it.
That is actually *exactly* what I did! I put out a budget video last week and only focused on getting some spiritbonding, and then farmed until I could meld my own gear. It's much more fun to be able to earn your own materia IMO
@@TenelenTheScrub Oh this is your first video I came across so didn't see the earlier one! Definitely great to be able to do it this way and in my opinion it beats doing collectable hand ins only :)
I got e everything ready then realized I needed a 100 crafter for this to be able to pentameld... lol That would be an important thing to mention in your guide.
You can use a Materia vendor to pay them gil to meld for you! It's an NPC! Or you can have any of your friends with 100 Crafter meld them for you, just party them, right click, and ask for meld.
@@Math.Bandit Sorry! Looks like it's been too long since I didn't have a maxed level crafter so I was uninformed! I think you can still use another player to overmeld by partying up with them, so ask around to your friends, FC, or even shout chat and see if somebody could help you out!
Is the Materia Creation overlay part of TeamCraft? If so, could you please tell me where to find it? I cannot seem to locate that feature. Thanks! I am enjoying the videos :D
3:50 Unless each new legendary node has increased bonding rates, it really should just be a flat line across the expansion. Alternatively collecting materia at the end of EW was much much easier by using as much of the lowest level 90 gear as you could while being able to gather the nodes. I was getting like 40-50% bonding per node using the integrity recovery skill three times.
i would probably wait for the next set of gathering gear (wich could very well come out in 2 day with raid) before pentamelding using 11 and 12 materia
I've actually got a breakdown of the patch cycle and when gear will be coming out (should be posted on Wednesday), but the next set of gear won't be out until 7.1 and will only have Left Side (gear) and Tools, no accessories! If you're looking to make the smart, budget friendly choice, getting your accessories melded is the best choice because they won't be replaced until 7.3!
Hello im kinda new to your Channel ,thanks for the Video i got a Questoin , that "OVERLAY" on the right part of the screen is that from FFXIV TEAMCRAFT ? do you have a video on how to use it or arrange it ?
Thank you for the video. I have a noob question: if i dont care about making money but just want to get lvl 12 materia for my final Gatherer gear is this the only method? I wouldn't want to pentameld my crafted gatherers gear just to farm some lvl12 materia
pentamelding will help with speed of spiritbonding and as far as I know, you can melt any materia into it, get something very cheap, even from Battlemateria. Still need to clear the perception checks to harvest the nodes, guess for the endwalker nodes that wont be an issue with basic lvl 100 gathering gear, the DT nodes require some lvl 12 perception materia+food already. Of course you wont be as efficient but it still works
not pentamelding makes it take 60% longer, but you don't need to meld expensive materia. Find cheap materia on the marketboard like grade 3/5 spell speed and meld it.
@@alyenalyen3885 the DT nodes do not require lvl 12 perception materia or food to gather them. You can most certainly hit the required perception using older materia. You may not be triggering any of the bonuses on the nodes, but they you can still gather the materials and farm the spirit bonding.
I think a bunch of other responses covered your question well, but this is the Budget Materia Meld that I used at first to get myself some materia to use for pentamelding: ffxivteamcraft.com/gearset/WfCJnm4ZUZZ9QGnVjTZH You want to make sure to hit 960 GP with either food, or a few more GP melds though as well, and then fill every empty slot with Piety, Tenacity, Skill/Spell Speed materia and then you can do this method, just skip the collectables!
thanks for the helpful video! what is that small window to the bottom right of your screen? I would like that instead of opening the gathering log everytime
Definitely an option, prices are steadily going down! I personally just enjoy gathering up my own stuff a lot of the time, and with this method it was pretty quick. Only had to buy a few dozen 12s because I got impatient lol
Each hit on a node will give you some GP regen, and you only need to have 960 for the +2 Integrity Breakpoint, so you're just relying on 1 hit to push you to the 1000 GP rotation!
Yes! If you want to do the super budget version, just get the i690 gear and hit the GP melds and pentameld with any other random materia, and then go back and hit only the DT nodes and you don't have to worry about anything! It's honestly an insanely easy way to get materia for your own gear/to sell with very low investment.
If all you care about is materia, then you should hit EW nodes instead with the ultra budget meld set from the previous video since you won't be hitting the required stats for the extra integrity for DT nodes, but will hit the caps for most if not all of them for the EW nodes (more materia)
How did you get that overlay on the screen? Was it in-game or just through video editing? Would be so useful for me personally to have a list of timers overlaid in the corner
So there is no question that gathering spiritbond is better than the old ways. Anyone questioning it really needs to understand that it is now following the battle materia system, which is superior in all ways to what we were doing, which was purely ilvl based shenanigans, that made any node below max level useless for spiritbonding, and just a waste of item durability. This makes even the permanently available collectable nodes viable. I wouldn't do them unless bored or my gear wasn't major melded, but they are viable still. I got so much more materia leveling than I did when I went from ShBr into EW, and I had the same set up going into it, with maxed pentamelded and fully completed relics. Now the question about legendaries in EW is different. I am at work so can't look at the star levels of the EW nodes, but I know that 2 stars = 4-5 levels in the internal level system for gathering nodes. So a lvl 90 two star is actually level 94/95, with the special benefits of being legendary on top of that. It shouldn't be overall better or equal to the DT 1 star, which should act like hitting a level 101/102 node for Spiritbonding purposes, but it could be a quirk with the change over, since the ilvl difference in legendaries was drastically different than the lvl differences. So maybe to compensate for the change in EW going to DT, it could just be that they buffed EW nodes? Still a net positive, even if our rotations are now nerve-rackingly tight.
Small noob question. How is it better than the old ways? You could spiritbound in EW after 2-3 Nodes, with like ~4% spiritbound per swing. Now its ~1,5% per swing. I understand that you now can harvest legendary EW nodes for extra spiritbound, but that would make it a lot more stressful for all those 6 minute windows and probably could not reach the speed how fast we spiritbounded in EW.
@@fenikkusu4893 So, firstly, you are doing math off the end of expac. That was not the speed at which you were spiritbonding during the beginning of EW. Second, you are only looking at the math in the old way, such as the fact that because of the ilvl based way of spiritbonding, once you hit the second tier of crafted gear, basic 85 nodes and even the 90 nodes stopped giving significant spiritbonding. So gathering for sets was simply not giving spiritbonding other than the legendary nodes, which you rarely needed the amounts we used to gather for spiritbonding, effectively killing the market, and making us have to work even harder to spiritbond. Now, even when we get to the final tier of crafted set, gathering a level 95 normal node will provide the same amount of spiritbonding as when we were wearing the base 100 gear. This is a vast improvement to our actual speed of spiritbonding overall. Now, for right now, yes, it is in a weird space, and I think that is why they did what they did with the 90 2 star leggos. That, and everyone is in that old mindset that has been ingrained in our psyche since 2.0, which is that ONLY legendaries/high collectables give spiritbonding. Edit: I wanted to add one thing, and this is more hypothetical and will need to be tested once the relic weapons are released... and that will be if their vast superiority in quality causes them to overwhelm the lvl situation. Much like stars on a node improve the spiritbonding potential because it is treated as a higher level internally, the relic's quality acts in the same way. They were always better for spiritbonding because their ilvl meant that everything was within their range of spiritbonding outside of the normal nodes.
Your talk on the EW nodes is exactly where I thought as well, but it doesn't even matter *which* item you gather. 1 or 2 star, the amount of Spiritbond doesn't change. It's definitely some weird quirk, but I hope it was intended because I like this!
@@TenelenTheScrub It has to be intended then, since, well, it kinda promotes a degenerate level of cycling, which they tend to nerf heavily after awhile. We shall see when the second set of leggos come out!
@@darkmindaustin Sorry If my english sucks, its not my native language, but I love to discuss about those topics. For Endwalker I had different Sets for spiritbounding, so normal Lv90 nodes wouldnt be a problem. Farmed a ton of the Ultima Thule Mats with basic 90 gear to use them for crafter materia spiritbonding and then scripts and 1 node was like 0,7%-1%. Thats not really a difference to what we get now with the basic 100 set at endgame nodes. And I still remember that basic 90 gear got like 3% per swing at the first legendary nodes. Only difference is, that there were only those 6 nodes and you couldnt use the Shb nodes to spiritbond. Now with the 1,5% per swing and using EW nodes it kinda avarages out in my opnion. (and adds a lot more stress). Basic 90 Gear with green weapons for example were totally fine to hit a lot of legendary nodes and spiritbond super fast. Just 10 at at time, but 260+ materia were super easy to get in the 3hr span of the Potion .Guess that will be viable again in DT but probably with less % per swing. Yes I know, not everyone could have the luxuray and space to keep different sets. And one question of understanding. Wasnt the change to spiritbonding, that they would not look at individual pieces of gear for Gearscore, but the Gearscore as a whole? Or was the translation of the patchnotes in my language missleading? Because if its that case, the higher overall GS of new coming gear would reduce the spiritbond % of older nodes like before and its again super useful to have mix-matched Sets to spiritbound even on Tier1 legendary and basic lv100 nodes. And breaking the market: It will happen. You get less % per legendary node, so youre doing more legendary nodes to spiritbond. Even if the mats per se are worthless the materia will still be a nice income per hour, that a lot of people will always do. I'd rather teleport 2-3times per 6min to spiritbound at legendary nodes and watch some stuff on the second screen, instead of flying in a circle and gathering mindless at normal nodes. And even if I did that some times for a lot of mats, I changeed my Gear to an older set and spiritbound the 0,7-1% per node like usual. So, without being rude. For me, who always had different Sets for spiritbonding, even basic 90 nodes, it doesnt change a lot, besides getting less % on individual legendary nodes, which feels worse than EW. To counteract that, I have to do more nodes which is more stressful and breaks the market value of the mats even more. The upside would be not having different Sets(I pentamelded them anyways, so why not keep using them?) and the possibilty to gather normal nodes with the best Set later on which I rarely did anyways. After thinking about it, I personally preferred the old way of spiritbonding. Cheers Edit: More nodes mean more teleports, that will cost more Gil or teleport tickets which then has to be aquired as well or substracted from the overall profit if teleporting with gil.
The change in 7.05 was actually a fix to an unintentional change that happened in 7.0. +spiritbond buffs were only actually maxing out at +2, which is lower than the past, meaning it was *easier* to hit max spiritbond (just running FC buff was enough). When I made this video, the community wasn't aware of this. The change in 7.05 made it so that gathering requires the +5 from the Spiritbond potion again, so the video is correct again, even if it was sort of wrong for about 3 weeks lol
I working on fishing myself right now, but from my experience so far, I think MIN/BTN is just more reliable. You have to get a bit of luck with fishing to be able to get Scrips, but you can get a ton of them when you do. Keep an eye out in the future, I'm going to be getting into some fishing content soon though and I'll have a better answer then!
You're right! I pulled the theoretical breakpoint numbers for the level item level 700 Collectables and didn't catch it! Thanks for pointing it out! The numbers you actually will get to for the collectable breakpoints is 4831 Gathering & Perception, but the top end is still 5085 both for the breakpoint on the procs. Right now we don't hit it, but we will in the future. With the meldset, the correct stats you'll get to without food: 5031 Gathering 4834 Perception 938 GP With Nasi Goreng: 5111 Gathering 4834 Perception 994 GP
@@vgas11 check you eyes bud, never said it was a secret. I was implying that all the regular players would now know endwalker nodes gave same spirtbond.
Sorry, no I made a mistake! The pinned comment has the correct stats. The 5085 is to get the max Methodical or Intuition collectable procs, but we don't hit that stat block yet. You only need 4831 Gathering & Perception for the 450 and 400 Scour hits
It's not said in game as far as I'm aware, it's just from testing and a general rule of thumb that we have to make sure everybody knows, unfortunately. You can find it on a few of the wikis, but with the changes in Dawntrail I made sure to double check it myself as well. I ran a test with: HQ Spiritbond Better Crowned Pie FC Spiritbond Buff Trying to max it out and tried this route, none of the hits were any higher than when I just used the potion. It is definitely weird, and I don't know why it is this way though...
@@TenelenTheScrub Just FYI, apparently in DT it was changed so that Gathering caps at +2, not +5. Or, at least, that's what the Balance told me when I was asked about it. The info is on icy-veins as well.
Rip gil - following this guide done pentmelding just realize its still not the 960 gp set you want. The meme on me for sleeping though, just be aware - you might wanna skip this and go straight for the 960 set for +2
If you've got a budget build with around 910 GP, just throw on some of the new GP food (Nasi Goreng) to hit 960 and this will count to hit the +2 integrity. You can use this method to farm out some more materia for yourself even with a budget set, and then fix up your melds in the future!
@@TenelenTheScrub yea with food is ok. However, this meldset goes way too hard on gathering skill it seems, idk what requires that high gathering? Could skip a lot of the gathering to hit 960GP and 4907 (?) perception
Definitely! At least last weekend when I was looking at the prices of materia, they are still relatively high! Not nearly as insane as the start of the expansion, but it's still a good way to make some gil, and people will need more materia again in future patches.
@@TenelenTheScrub ok little follow up question. got the gear all sorted out and started farming. do you think it would be in my best interest to just hoard all this materia or just sell it now? i’m wondering what the prices generally look like when next raid tier comes out, etc. also when will this current set of bis gathering gear be replaced? (never played start of expansion sorry for questions)
@@wind_tempos You're all good! My personal strategy: Sell half, keep half. You're going to probably want some when new gear gets out, so it's a good idea to keep some for yourself, but if the prices spike like crazy at a new patch then you call always sell for a good price and farm more for yourself then too. It covers you in the way that no matter the price movements, you can take advantage of a middle ground and not regret it if the price crashes. As for patch cycles and new gear, check out this video I made on it: ruclips.net/video/KNpF_btBY_o/видео.html
Welp, that's me being a RUclips noob. I tried to use the built in RUclips editor to fix something but ended up adding in some weird blur with "face tracking" and didn't realize it...my mistake.... It doesn't let me undo it either, but luckily it doesn't block anything too important
Correction to the stats at 6:50!
The stat breakpoints we will hit with this meldset are actually 4831 Gathering & Perception for the max value on the collectable skill. The high-end breakpoint *is* 5085, but we don't hit that as it's just the Proc chance for skills that get boosted. Once the new left side gear is out in 7.1, we'll be able to hit that.
For this video and the Recommended meldset, the correct stats you'll get to without food:
5031 Gathering
4834 Perception
938 GP
With Nasi Goreng:
5111 Gathering
4834 Perception
994 GP
careful with highend meld teamcraft recommended, Legs 3rd overmeld is Grade 12 4th Gp2 5th gathering 3....the 3rd overmeld is like 10x more expensive when you can easily do Gathering X/iX and easily overcap by doing higher gathering/GP on last1
Yeah I've just replaced lower level materia with IX/X when I could since I have amassed 2 million cowries in island sanctuary, so EW materia is basically free for me. I'm also making tons of money by just buying materia in island sanctuary and selling it on the marketboard lol some of the prices are insane right now
If I’m not mistaken, it’s probably because of the changes in spiritbonding mechanics.
Thanks for the info! I did hit an EW at some point and noticed the weirdly high amount of spiritbond progress, but hadn't put 2 and 2 together!
Yeah, I had some interest in pentamelding initially, but when I realized how much work it was going to be I just.... didn't feel invested enough to put in the work. At the moment, I've got all base slots filled, and one overmeld slot filled with rank 10 materia mass-purchased from my island sanctuary. It ain't much, but it also didn't take me an eon for upgrades I'll probably never use.
Great video!
Personally, I used old materia i had available to hit some breakpoints and filled with whatever just to start farming spritbond. Probably not as fast as this yet, but it hasn't cost me anything so far and I can nearly re-meld my current gear with materia gained from spiritbonding I do get.
Granted it won't be as fast and as profitable as this but if you're not chasing the fastest method off the bat and want a place to start to get the high tier melds you need for this I still recommend it.
That is actually *exactly* what I did! I put out a budget video last week and only focused on getting some spiritbonding, and then farmed until I could meld my own gear. It's much more fun to be able to earn your own materia IMO
@@TenelenTheScrub Oh this is your first video I came across so didn't see the earlier one!
Definitely great to be able to do it this way and in my opinion it beats doing collectable hand ins only :)
Your videos are so clear and helpful. Thank you so much for your work!! A sub for you.
I got e everything ready then realized I needed a 100 crafter for this to be able to pentameld... lol That would be an important thing to mention in your guide.
You can use a Materia vendor to pay them gil to meld for you! It's an NPC! Or you can have any of your friends with 100 Crafter meld them for you, just party them, right click, and ask for meld.
@@TenelenTheScrub I don't think the NPCs can overmeld though, right?
@@Math.Bandit They cannot. Pentameld is an exclusive player thing
@@Math.Bandit Sorry! Looks like it's been too long since I didn't have a maxed level crafter so I was uninformed!
I think you can still use another player to overmeld by partying up with them, so ask around to your friends, FC, or even shout chat and see if somebody could help you out!
"New **DAWNTRAIL** Strategy"
Try reading?
yup, done this and its an insane amount of spiritbond
Is the Materia Creation overlay part of TeamCraft? If so, could you please tell me where to find it? I cannot seem to locate that feature. Thanks! I am enjoying the videos :D
It's a built in FFXIV feature! Under Actions & Traits (P on keyboard by default), General Tab on the Left side, then it's in the middle bottomish.
@@TenelenTheScrub Holy crap I NEVER knew that! Thank you!
3:50
Unless each new legendary node has increased bonding rates, it really should just be a flat line across the expansion.
Alternatively collecting materia at the end of EW was much much easier by using as much of the lowest level 90 gear as you could while being able to gather the nodes. I was getting like 40-50% bonding per node using the integrity recovery skill three times.
That's changed completely in Dawntrail, the reworked how spiritbonding is calculated for gathering the Legendary nodes.
I just saw you're on Brynhildr! Maybe I'll run into you when I randomly visit to shop 😂
i would probably wait for the next set of gathering gear (wich could very well come out in 2 day with raid) before pentamelding using 11 and 12 materia
I've actually got a breakdown of the patch cycle and when gear will be coming out (should be posted on Wednesday), but the next set of gear won't be out until 7.1 and will only have Left Side (gear) and Tools, no accessories!
If you're looking to make the smart, budget friendly choice, getting your accessories melded is the best choice because they won't be replaced until 7.3!
there wont be a new gathering gear with this first tier of raid!!
Hello im kinda new to your Channel ,thanks for the Video i got a Questoin , that "OVERLAY" on the right part of the screen is that from FFXIV TEAMCRAFT ? do you have a video on how to use it or arrange it ?
I have had a lot of people ask me about it so I should have a video together on Monday of how to do it, but yes it is the teamcraft alarm overlay!
@@TenelenTheScrub thanks for the response , it looks awesome
What’s that plugin you are using in your game tab to display the legendary and scrip nodes?
its teamcraft alert overlay
Would love to learn out it works. Seems no one talks about that one.
Uploaded a guide this morning for it, check it out!
ruclips.net/video/9RfmB5Ak4yE/видео.htmlsi=52A4K-k0M_AoV4yU
Pentameld +1 tenacity for tenacious gathering! :)
Thank you for the video.
I have a noob question: if i dont care about making money but just want to get lvl 12 materia for my final Gatherer gear is this the only method? I wouldn't want to pentameld my crafted gatherers gear just to farm some lvl12 materia
You can farm scrips and turn them in for level 12 materia
pentamelding will help with speed of spiritbonding and as far as I know, you can melt any materia into it, get something very cheap, even from Battlemateria. Still need to clear the perception checks to harvest the nodes, guess for the endwalker nodes that wont be an issue with basic lvl 100 gathering gear, the DT nodes require some lvl 12 perception materia+food already. Of course you wont be as efficient but it still works
not pentamelding makes it take 60% longer, but you don't need to meld expensive materia. Find cheap materia on the marketboard like grade 3/5 spell speed and meld it.
@@alyenalyen3885 the DT nodes do not require lvl 12 perception materia or food to gather them. You can most certainly hit the required perception using older materia. You may not be triggering any of the bonuses on the nodes, but they you can still gather the materials and farm the spirit bonding.
I think a bunch of other responses covered your question well, but this is the Budget Materia Meld that I used at first to get myself some materia to use for pentamelding:
ffxivteamcraft.com/gearset/WfCJnm4ZUZZ9QGnVjTZH
You want to make sure to hit 960 GP with either food, or a few more GP melds though as well, and then fill every empty slot with Piety, Tenacity, Skill/Spell Speed materia and then you can do this method, just skip the collectables!
Yeah ive been doing this for about 4 days gone from ~2mil to 19mil while actually spending quite a lot on other stuff.
thanks for the helpful video! what is that small window to the bottom right of your screen? I would like that instead of opening the gathering log everytime
im 99% sure thats a window from the Teamcraft Desktop app!
@@F3nryl ohh!! thanks! I'll look into it.
I just uploaded a guide this morning since so many people asked!
ruclips.net/video/9RfmB5Ak4yE/видео.htmlsi=52A4K-k0M_AoV4yU
@@TenelenTheScrub thanks! I already found it out because of @F3nryl
How do you set up that list of timers on your screen? That seems really handy
It's the Teamcraft Timer Overlay (Alarm Overlay). I'll make a video about it soon since so many people are asking!
I feel like the best play right now is to just wait and buy materia off MB 2 weeks from now
Definitely an option, prices are steadily going down! I personally just enjoy gathering up my own stuff a lot of the time, and with this method it was pretty quick. Only had to buy a few dozen 12s because I got impatient lol
GP Question.
This meld gives 938 raw GP. HQ Nasi gives max 58GP. That only makes it to 996 GP. Where's the last 4 coming from?
Each hit on a node will give you some GP regen, and you only need to have 960 for the +2 Integrity Breakpoint, so you're just relying on 1 hit to push you to the 1000 GP rotation!
@@TenelenTheScrub
I see! So it's not dependent on you being 1000 from the getgo, of course, of course! Brilliant, thank you very much!
So if we don't want to go super hard with the intense constant gathering we can just stick with the old video and do DT legendary nodes?
Yes! If you want to do the super budget version, just get the i690 gear and hit the GP melds and pentameld with any other random materia, and then go back and hit only the DT nodes and you don't have to worry about anything! It's honestly an insanely easy way to get materia for your own gear/to sell with very low investment.
If all you care about is materia, then you should hit EW nodes instead with the ultra budget meld set from the previous video since you won't be hitting the required stats for the extra integrity for DT nodes, but will hit the caps for most if not all of them for the EW nodes (more materia)
How did you get that overlay on the screen? Was it in-game or just through video editing? Would be so useful for me personally to have a list of timers overlaid in the corner
Check out my latest upload for a guide!
ruclips.net/video/9RfmB5Ak4yE/видео.htmlsi=gWPSpuv0e4wxfnRv
Question, what is that overlay you were using? It looks like Teamcraft but I can't see any option for that in the app
I downloaded it, but have no clue how to use it. Hopefully, he makes a video on it.
I will! Should be posted by Monday at the latest!
So there is no question that gathering spiritbond is better than the old ways. Anyone questioning it really needs to understand that it is now following the battle materia system, which is superior in all ways to what we were doing, which was purely ilvl based shenanigans, that made any node below max level useless for spiritbonding, and just a waste of item durability. This makes even the permanently available collectable nodes viable. I wouldn't do them unless bored or my gear wasn't major melded, but they are viable still. I got so much more materia leveling than I did when I went from ShBr into EW, and I had the same set up going into it, with maxed pentamelded and fully completed relics.
Now the question about legendaries in EW is different. I am at work so can't look at the star levels of the EW nodes, but I know that 2 stars = 4-5 levels in the internal level system for gathering nodes. So a lvl 90 two star is actually level 94/95, with the special benefits of being legendary on top of that. It shouldn't be overall better or equal to the DT 1 star, which should act like hitting a level 101/102 node for Spiritbonding purposes, but it could be a quirk with the change over, since the ilvl difference in legendaries was drastically different than the lvl differences. So maybe to compensate for the change in EW going to DT, it could just be that they buffed EW nodes? Still a net positive, even if our rotations are now nerve-rackingly tight.
Small noob question. How is it better than the old ways? You could spiritbound in EW after 2-3 Nodes, with like ~4% spiritbound per swing. Now its ~1,5% per swing. I understand that you now can harvest legendary EW nodes for extra spiritbound, but that would make it a lot more stressful for all those 6 minute windows and probably could not reach the speed how fast we spiritbounded in EW.
@@fenikkusu4893 So, firstly, you are doing math off the end of expac. That was not the speed at which you were spiritbonding during the beginning of EW. Second, you are only looking at the math in the old way, such as the fact that because of the ilvl based way of spiritbonding, once you hit the second tier of crafted gear, basic 85 nodes and even the 90 nodes stopped giving significant spiritbonding. So gathering for sets was simply not giving spiritbonding other than the legendary nodes, which you rarely needed the amounts we used to gather for spiritbonding, effectively killing the market, and making us have to work even harder to spiritbond. Now, even when we get to the final tier of crafted set, gathering a level 95 normal node will provide the same amount of spiritbonding as when we were wearing the base 100 gear. This is a vast improvement to our actual speed of spiritbonding overall.
Now, for right now, yes, it is in a weird space, and I think that is why they did what they did with the 90 2 star leggos. That, and everyone is in that old mindset that has been ingrained in our psyche since 2.0, which is that ONLY legendaries/high collectables give spiritbonding.
Edit: I wanted to add one thing, and this is more hypothetical and will need to be tested once the relic weapons are released... and that will be if their vast superiority in quality causes them to overwhelm the lvl situation. Much like stars on a node improve the spiritbonding potential because it is treated as a higher level internally, the relic's quality acts in the same way. They were always better for spiritbonding because their ilvl meant that everything was within their range of spiritbonding outside of the normal nodes.
Your talk on the EW nodes is exactly where I thought as well, but it doesn't even matter *which* item you gather. 1 or 2 star, the amount of Spiritbond doesn't change. It's definitely some weird quirk, but I hope it was intended because I like this!
@@TenelenTheScrub It has to be intended then, since, well, it kinda promotes a degenerate level of cycling, which they tend to nerf heavily after awhile. We shall see when the second set of leggos come out!
@@darkmindaustin Sorry If my english sucks, its not my native language, but I love to discuss about those topics.
For Endwalker I had different Sets for spiritbounding, so normal Lv90 nodes wouldnt be a problem. Farmed a ton of the Ultima Thule Mats with basic 90 gear to use them for crafter materia spiritbonding and then scripts and 1 node was like 0,7%-1%. Thats not really a difference to what we get now with the basic 100 set at endgame nodes. And I still remember that basic 90 gear got like 3% per swing at the first legendary nodes. Only difference is, that there were only those 6 nodes and you couldnt use the Shb nodes to spiritbond. Now with the 1,5% per swing and using EW nodes it kinda avarages out in my opnion. (and adds a lot more stress).
Basic 90 Gear with green weapons for example were totally fine to hit a lot of legendary nodes and spiritbond super fast. Just 10 at at time, but 260+ materia were super easy to get in the 3hr span of the Potion .Guess that will be viable again in DT but probably with less % per swing. Yes I know, not everyone could have the luxuray and space to keep different sets.
And one question of understanding. Wasnt the change to spiritbonding, that they would not look at individual pieces of gear for Gearscore, but the Gearscore as a whole? Or was the translation of the patchnotes in my language missleading? Because if its that case, the higher overall GS of new coming gear would reduce the spiritbond % of older nodes like before and its again super useful to have mix-matched Sets to spiritbound even on Tier1 legendary and basic lv100 nodes.
And breaking the market: It will happen. You get less % per legendary node, so youre doing more legendary nodes to spiritbond. Even if the mats per se are worthless the materia will still be a nice income per hour, that a lot of people will always do. I'd rather teleport 2-3times per 6min to spiritbound at legendary nodes and watch some stuff on the second screen, instead of flying in a circle and gathering mindless at normal nodes. And even if I did that some times for a lot of mats, I changeed my Gear to an older set and spiritbound the 0,7-1% per node like usual.
So, without being rude. For me, who always had different Sets for spiritbonding, even basic 90 nodes, it doesnt change a lot, besides getting less % on individual legendary nodes, which feels worse than EW. To counteract that, I have to do more nodes which is more stressful and breaks the market value of the mats even more. The upside would be not having different Sets(I pentamelded them anyways, so why not keep using them?) and the possibilty to gather normal nodes with the best Set later on which I rarely did anyways.
After thinking about it, I personally preferred the old way of spiritbonding. Cheers
Edit: More nodes mean more teleports, that will cost more Gil or teleport tickets which then has to be aquired as well or substracted from the overall profit if teleporting with gil.
Do you know if the 7.05 spiritbond potion change affects this in any way?
The change in 7.05 was actually a fix to an unintentional change that happened in 7.0.
+spiritbond buffs were only actually maxing out at +2, which is lower than the past, meaning it was *easier* to hit max spiritbond (just running FC buff was enough).
When I made this video, the community wasn't aware of this.
The change in 7.05 made it so that gathering requires the +5 from the Spiritbond potion again, so the video is correct again, even if it was sort of wrong for about 3 weeks lol
soo, fishing is not a good way to farm scrip, and instead unspoiled node is better?
I working on fishing myself right now, but from my experience so far, I think MIN/BTN is just more reliable. You have to get a bit of luck with fishing to be able to get Scrips, but you can get a ton of them when you do.
Keep an eye out in the future, I'm going to be getting into some fishing content soon though and I'll have a better answer then!
Is it just me or is the 5085/5085/960+ statline recommended at 6:50 not possible with the Teamcraft melds (5031/4834/938) even with food?
You're right! I pulled the theoretical breakpoint numbers for the level item level 700 Collectables and didn't catch it! Thanks for pointing it out!
The numbers you actually will get to for the collectable breakpoints is 4831 Gathering & Perception, but the top end is still 5085 both for the breakpoint on the procs. Right now we don't hit it, but we will in the future.
With the meldset, the correct stats you'll get to without food:
5031 Gathering
4834 Perception
938 GP
With Nasi Goreng:
5111 Gathering
4834 Perception
994 GP
@@TenelenTheScrub That makes much more sense lol
Which plugin in the one with the timers on the right?
Guide for it here!
ruclips.net/video/9RfmB5Ak4yE/видео.html
@@TenelenTheScrub You are amazing! Your guides are exactly what I needed.
@@Afrien_art ♥️
Well the jig is up. I was wondering when the farm would hit RUclips :)
This farm was hardly a secret 😂
@@vgas11 check you eyes bud, never said it was a secret. I was implying that all the regular players would now know endwalker nodes gave same spirtbond.
Damn is every tryhard gatherer this cringe as the two above? 😂😂😂
Is 5085 perception the minimum for getting Scour at 450 and Meticulous at 400?
Sorry, no I made a mistake! The pinned comment has the correct stats. The 5085 is to get the max Methodical or Intuition collectable procs, but we don't hit that stat block yet.
You only need 4831 Gathering & Perception for the 450 and 400 Scour hits
Not going back to EW. Those mats don’t sell. I rather farm the DT items and take a few minutes longer knowing I can sell what I am farming.
EW makes a bit more gil, but it's less forgiving in terms of time. DT also gives orange scrips which is nice. Do whatever one you find more enjoyable
Where does it say gathering maxes out at +5 spiritbond gain bonus? Genuinely curious cause that seems so random.
It's not said in game as far as I'm aware, it's just from testing and a general rule of thumb that we have to make sure everybody knows, unfortunately. You can find it on a few of the wikis, but with the changes in Dawntrail I made sure to double check it myself as well.
I ran a test with:
HQ Spiritbond
Better Crowned Pie
FC Spiritbond Buff
Trying to max it out and tried this route, none of the hits were any higher than when I just used the potion. It is definitely weird, and I don't know why it is this way though...
@@TenelenTheScrub Just FYI, apparently in DT it was changed so that Gathering caps at +2, not +5. Or, at least, that's what the Balance told me when I was asked about it. The info is on icy-veins as well.
Rip gil - following this guide done pentmelding just realize its still not the 960 gp set you want. The meme on me for sleeping though, just be aware - you might wanna skip this and go straight for the 960 set for +2
If you've got a budget build with around 910 GP, just throw on some of the new GP food (Nasi Goreng) to hit 960 and this will count to hit the +2 integrity. You can use this method to farm out some more materia for yourself even with a budget set, and then fix up your melds in the future!
@@TenelenTheScrub yea with food is ok. However, this meldset goes way too hard on gathering skill it seems, idk what requires that high gathering? Could skip a lot of the gathering to hit 960GP and 4907 (?) perception
im late af if i start now is still a decent way to get gil :x
Definitely! At least last weekend when I was looking at the prices of materia, they are still relatively high! Not nearly as insane as the start of the expansion, but it's still a good way to make some gil, and people will need more materia again in future patches.
@@TenelenTheScrub ok little follow up question. got the gear all sorted out and started farming. do you think it would be in my best interest to just hoard all this materia or just sell it now? i’m wondering what the prices generally look like when next raid tier comes out, etc. also when will this current set of bis gathering gear be replaced? (never played start of expansion sorry for questions)
@@wind_tempos You're all good!
My personal strategy: Sell half, keep half. You're going to probably want some when new gear gets out, so it's a good idea to keep some for yourself, but if the prices spike like crazy at a new patch then you call always sell for a good price and farm more for yourself then too.
It covers you in the way that no matter the price movements, you can take advantage of a middle ground and not regret it if the price crashes.
As for patch cycles and new gear, check out this video I made on it:
ruclips.net/video/KNpF_btBY_o/видео.html
@@TenelenTheScrub tyvm, super helpful!
Did we try shadowbringers nodes???
Yeah, unfortunately they didn't work :(
What is the addon for the 'materia creation' window?
It's built into the game!
Go to Actions and Traits (P key by default) -> General (on the left) -> Materia Extraction
@@TenelenTheScrub ohhhhhh thank you!
What is that list on the right side of your screen?
Look like some timer for to tell when the timed items are up.
I'll have a video guide for setting that up posted in about 12 hours!
29 million in one day.
how do you have that menu pop? with the materia creation
Under Actions & Traits, General Tab on the left side, there is a hotbar button called "Materia Extraction" you can grab!
@@TenelenTheScrub thank you!
Whats up with that blur?
Welp, that's me being a RUclips noob. I tried to use the built in RUclips editor to fix something but ended up adding in some weird blur with "face tracking" and didn't realize it...my mistake....
It doesn't let me undo it either, but luckily it doesn't block anything too important
how are you getting the timed node overlay?
Teamcraft App
Uploaded a guide this morning!
ruclips.net/video/9RfmB5Ak4yE/видео.htmlsi=gWPSpuv0e4wxfnRv
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