Again, I mean absolutely no hate towards either of these creators. Do not harass them about this, please. Oh and I was using VG on CardKingdom, not Excellent only, sorry. But if you're cool why not check out the TapDoubt discord server 👀discord.gg/jwf6yRx9gg
I feel like it's worth noting Mitch includes heavily played/damaged cards for his pricing, and both channels do not include basic lands because tbf you can get those for free if you don't have them already.
The Professor's list did include basic lands, and I mentioned I added basic lands into Mitch's before getting prices. Realistically as you say they're not gonna swing it that much, even a pound wouldn't change the overall conclusion. Also, RUclips filtered your comment, despite it being completely nice and normal… don't you love machine learning? _sigh_
You wanna build a deck on a budget? you find the cheapest common land, you buy 100 of them, and you write in sharpie what the card actually is on its face (bought 100 mountains and need an island, write it on the face etc. etc.). But wizards of the coast doesn't make any money that way so those decks are banned from tournaments.
Echo tank based printers, just print them and glue it on to a land, tiny bit thicker but you know what never really bothered me. I only play with decks like this. I have not paid any more to wotc in years and I have all new decks
I've found it increasingly difficult to buy a large order (such as a singles order for a deck) all in one place. Big sellers often lack the inventory and using TCG player often requires so many carts that shipping fees are often more than the cards. I wonder if this is a result of less sellers and bad box EV making it hard to be a singles seller?
The very point of budget decks is that ideally you only use cards from your collection. Meaning that if you are missing some cards of the list you should replace them with what you have, not trying to order the cards you are missing. That improves your creativity as a deckbuilder and allows you to introduce some personal element into the deck. I find it more fun and challenging than using proxy.
Which is _fine_ if you have a collection, often these kinds of videos are aimed at people who would otherwise buy a pre-con (the TCC one explicitly is). They're not pitched for people who have a few thousand cards lying around, and buying bulk off someone is mostly gonna leave you with just commons and uncommons and adds cost itself.
I use tcgplayer and with a little effort you can get the shipping price down a lot by optimizing the carts yourself, i can always get a full decklist for less then 10 dollars shipping by going through and removing 1-3 card orders and finding those cards from other sellers in my cart. If a video says the deck costs 25, i can often get it for 32ish
I always buy all my cards at my LGS. In general some cards might be slightly more expensive, but I don't have to deal with any of this shipping and different sellers bullcrap. I do run into the issue of some cards not being in stock, which sorta sucks when I'm trying to make Pauper or Pioneer decks, but for a format as casual as commander it's very easy to replace basically any card with something else (other than the commander itself). Additionally for budget players (like me) I'm glad to say that in general cheaper cards will be in stock more often then more expensive cards, so the cheaper the cards your buying are, the more likely your LGS is to have them. I'd also recommend seeing what cards you own to try and reduce the cost of your deck that way. For example, if you notice you have lots of spellslinger cards, then maybe making a spellslingers deck will be pretty cheap for you. For all these reasons and more, I'd highly recommend buying from an LGS exclusively if possible.
Whenever I'm purchasing cards from TCG Player, I always search for "any condition" and "any printing." More often than not, even the "damaged" cards are in perfectly playable condition. And I don't mind some scuffs here or there, it just adds to the character of the cards. You will also get a better deal over all since your pool of cards and sellers will be a lot bigger. Of course I'm in the continental US though. US Postal Service can ship your cards coast to coast for 99 cents in under two weeks. I would definitely be interested in a comparison of buying cards in US/North America vs UK/Europe.
For those wanting a budget build I highly recommend trying to build an Artisan deck. As long as a card has had a common or uncommon printing you can use it. Otherwise, not allowed. Sure there are cards like Rhystic Study that started as common and are now mythic that have a high price point, but you don't really need those. I made a Ganax, Astral Hunter and Feywild Visitor deck and it was some of the most fun I had with deck building. Working under the common/uncommon constraint with dragon tribal was a challenge, but it was fun trying to make it work
And this is why I have been finding alterative ways to play games like magic the gathering without playing magic the gathering. That led to me finding BBG, which had tons of great card games that were very cheap.
Patience is an underlooked part of this process. Have your decklist sorted on an app or site, gather whatever you can from your local/trades, save up for your annual card kingdom order, then do your biannual proxy site order to fill in the $10+ slots. None of my decks have been fully fleshed out in under 2 years and your limited to casual commander or tier 3 or lower in 60 card if you're budget is under $300 or you're against proxies. Don't try to start with a precon either they just cost you more in the long run and half the cards end up in your bulk box.
an interesting side effect of channels doing more budget, content and more people wanting it is that it gets harder to get within the cost when it comes to shipping. when i started making budget decks for my pals it was easy to find 1 or 2 places to ship all the cards making shipping nominal at best. but as more people use the less good and less mass printed cards that just never saw play the less it stays in stock as why refill on a 10 cent card from a set like ixalan. also a side effect of posting a bugdet deck is watching the price go up due to new demand for those cards as most wont look at there collection to find subs or the cards outright. glad you brought this up though as i have been seeing this increase for a while and was wondering how bad it has gotten as i never charted it but now i might have to. (side note i live in the us and seems like where i live shipping is lower then being shown(the north east for me))
Too true about factoring shipping cost when buying magic. Im new to mtg and barely started ordering cards online. Was able to get 30 foil cards from Wilds of Eldraone for $4 but had to pay $3 for shipping
When M10 released, I didn't have a legal deck due to rotation. So I dig through the commons pile for M10 cards and settled on a mono blue deck. The deck did well and every card in it costed 10 cents for a grand total of 6 dollars for the deck
I think the worst thing is that you can build ultra cheap cards. I build my abdel Adrian deck for around 20 bucks and that included an ashnods altar which I could arguably cut. I got all the cards from my lgs. And my lgs is notorious for being overpriced compared to online. The real problem is that deck building is actually hard. Something I haven't realised. Most people are not like me building weird and convoluted decks because they like it. Sometimes they just want to get a deck and have it. Which is fine. I did it with the 10th doctor deck. At this point I feel that pre cons are the best value and I feel that this is why they increased their price over the last two years. They probably run a study to see how much an average budget players pays to buy a deck using online marketplaces and determined how much they can increase while feeling cheaper. And this is not conspiratorial, economists are fully capable to do that.
I appreciate you're talking about this subject and i like the way you went around and explained things but i do have to say that i would've appreciated a little editing to have numbers on the screen while you were talking about them as my hearing tends to betray me and english is not my first language. Overall enjoyed it and agree, keep it up!
And this is why I proxy. Printer and paper is worth the investment if I can play whatever I want and my play group is cool with it. Best quote I’ve heard recently in favor of proxies, “we want to play against you, not your wallet.”
Huge difference with upgrading a precon and building a deck. Paying for the worth of a product versus building from scratch. I see where you are coming from tho.
Playing magic by buying cards is expensive. I build a niv mizzet parun deck on a budget and I think it still cost like 100 euros to actually get everything, despite the budget being 50 euros on goldfish and I feel like the EU prices are usually lower, all of that because of shipping.
Good video, I've always been dubious about a lot of claimed prices. Especially witth popular if common cards. The title is a little clickbaity but then i clicked.
Breaking out my poop knife to cut the crap lol. All of my cards are sleeved the same. So I can build whatever I want. I have about 500 cards in each color, colorless, multicolor, special land and basic land. At any time i can order just a commander and a signature related card to build around. That is budget. If no one wants to this idc. But this is my solution for building, not constantly buying. It reduced my build time, collection time and need for bulk synergy pieces. Most of my cards are uncommon, rare and mythic rare and most are not really high value but are extremely playable. No reserved list crap. I have a video showing my collection on my channel although its a bit more refined to my particular playstyle and art interests. It took a few years to assemble and finalize. So whatever wotc does- it no longer causes storage or wallet fatigue. I give and trade away cards that dont fit my playstyle regardless of value. I cycle through and use all of my cards- there is no hoarding nor is there any real worry of value loss. (Although it makes trade a bit annoying lol) 95% of my collection is singleton. Since there is no real reason to have more than a couple decks to play with. One deck is battle hardened high removal and the other is test, jank, thematic and fun. It is not budget at all to continuously buy deck components. Especially deck boxes, or tons of different color sleeves. If a sleeve gets damaged i can take one from an unused land. One box of sleeves is easily 100 replacements or with each new set- 5 to 10 collection slots. I also have a box of sleeved tokens. One bundle box holds 2 decks, about 40 tokens and a couple top loaders for commanders. That's all my weight i carry plus a bag of dice, bring my trade binder mainly during set release or for specific purpose trading. I'm not against wotc in regard to the game but more in regard to their pricing abuse. my collection is a response to that. I used to buy about a box a month, now it's a couple packs. None actually unless pack opening channels are pulling decent or interesting cards. Regardless- i grew up having one deck at a time carefully crafted from pulls, with the advent of singles accessibility markets it made purpose building easy but reduced the magic imbued cards that had play experience and sentimental importance. If there is no connection to your cards do you really understand value? Very little dust settles on my collection and i wrote this to save you time, travel weight, expense and from storage problems😊
This sadly is a realisation I also had when trying to get into oathbreaker with an online decklist. I ended up using a guide that rebuilt a commander precon. buying singles as compare to boosters is cheaper, sure. but your bulk is better sourced somewhere else. the shipping for so many cards can get you a whole 'nother 100 card precon.
No one wants to used heavily played cards? I used them all the time. Saves me money. Also card kingdom is known in the US for being overpriced and missing cards, tcgplayer would have been better for the experiment. I think the idea of the video is good I just don't agree with the choices made.
Yeah, I agree with his premise, BUT I can’t be the only one who has been fine with this. Not that I’m buying any decks anymore. WotC has completely lost me.
You legitimately barely save any money though on the cheap cards doing this because you still need them shipped to you. You can cut down the prices somewhat, but not enough to make either of these decks as cheap as claimed. I maybe should've said "the majority of people don't", but I can't take it back now lol.
@@TapDoubt you know, honestly this is why Feather is one of my favorite commanders. A card designed to take unplayable, penny cards and make them strong. We need more designs like it
I know this isn't the point of the video, which has a good thesis, but I must interject. Some people, myself included, DO like to play with heavily played or damaged cards. There's an "island of misfit toys" vibe to playing with underappreciated cards in power level, collectability, and/or physical card quality. The Gonti Deck school of deck appreciation, if you will.
I'm lucky enough to know quite a few people -- some of whom can help me get into groupbuys for shipping which greatly reduce the shipping costs. Also have access to several local game stores near where I live, and know quite a few people on account of being part of the community so long. That said, it must be really hard to find pieces if you're new, no no one, and have no idea where to start looking. Just discovered the channel. Got that sub from me!
TCGPlayer’s cart optimizer works decently well. It’s not perfect and sometimes you have to buy at the right time. I would not recommend buying around holidays because “one of” cards can disappear from their sellers quickly. But one of my strongest commander decks I built for like $9.94 card price total, which only went up to like $13 total including shipping (that’s without lands). Including lands from my LGS brought it up to like $15. Adding sleeves brings it closer to $19 but depending on the ones I use it could have been $17. Still, very low price point but to go with the point of the video - shipping, lands, and sleeves nearly doubled the price of that deck. But as a counterpoint - that ~$10 in shipping, lands, and sleeves could be applied to any deck. Sorry Cardmarket is lacking that feature currently.
I have also noticed this. Commander's Quarters is a nice guy. I haven't seen him voice or support any anti-consumer sentiments. But his decks suck. He must play with a group full of Timmies. His budget decks are also often (but not always) far over the budget allotted. He uses the Low market price, which is extremely disingenuous. The deck I'm working on now is about $5 at Low. But that is a price from a fantasy world and is more of an abstraction rather than a real level that people buy and sell at. I haven't really considered shipping being really outrageous for some countries. For me, I just make a sizeable order from TCGplayer and have it sent direct. So I have a $2.99 shipping fee that is distributed through each card I purchase. For example, if I ordered 300 cards then each card was $.01 to ship. Of course you aren't going to get all the cards you want in this manner. In fact, I've noticed TCGplayer has far fewer cards up for grabs than it used to have. Obviously brewers cannot account for VAT, Customs, Taxes or anything like that. But I guess the only solution for that issue is to just follow the budget tubers from your region. Or redo the entire pricing structure of a budget deck to include a portion explaining the cost for it to be shipped. I was trying to sell cards on ebay and I noticed some shysters peddling "budget commander decks" for $15. They're just every piece of bulk from a recent release that is packaged into a deck with whatever commander fits the colors. This really enraged me, and I set to work on brewing a budget deck that is actually powerful and whose value is under $20 with no card $1 or more. After about a year of testing, I finally came up with a winner. But I keep putting off making a video on it because wotc has decided to improve white and they keep printing these lovely cards that greatly improve my deck at a super bulk level. The little W robot that when it dies you gain a life and draw or whatever is so perfect for it.... My personal goal in budget deck creation is utilizing a lot of chaff most players will have on hand. Using the savings from those cards to make room for staples like Swords to Plowshares and recent bulk rares that may also be in their binder. Utilizing heavy synergy to makeup for the lower card quality on average and appeal to at least one of the two tenants of deck construction: card draw and mana ramp. Also it needs to be super resistant to board wipes and have a lot of interaction. I have tested it at each level of play outside of cedh, and scripted out the video. But wotc keeps making great cards for it that are going to end up being a nickel each. So it gets pushed back. How frustrating! Maybe after this set.
I don't have many videos yet on this channel, but one I do have is about how to proxy, and it was made before the one you're commenting on. But, importantly this video isn't about proxying. The kinds of videos I'm talking about here aren't saying "this deck costs $45 if you proxy it". I don't feel like I should have to disclaim "of course you can proxy instead" in videos where the context is clearly about official cards.
All my decks are budget. Cashbro wore my pocketbook out. Core 2020 was my last purchase. With power creep my once badass decks are losing dogs. Oh well, I still have masturbation.
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Again, I mean absolutely no hate towards either of these creators. Do not harass them about this, please. Oh and I was using VG on CardKingdom, not Excellent only, sorry.
But if you're cool why not check out the TapDoubt discord server 👀discord.gg/jwf6yRx9gg
I feel like it's worth noting Mitch includes heavily played/damaged cards for his pricing, and both channels do not include basic lands because tbf you can get those for free if you don't have them already.
The Professor's list did include basic lands, and I mentioned I added basic lands into Mitch's before getting prices. Realistically as you say they're not gonna swing it that much, even a pound wouldn't change the overall conclusion.
Also, RUclips filtered your comment, despite it being completely nice and normal… don't you love machine learning? _sigh_
You wanna build a deck on a budget? you find the cheapest common land, you buy 100 of them, and you write in sharpie what the card actually is on its face (bought 100 mountains and need an island, write it on the face etc. etc.). But wizards of the coast doesn't make any money that way so those decks are banned from tournaments.
Placeholder cards (orignially for double sided cards) might actually be cheaper than basic lands ...
they are also very hard to read a board with in that scenario, probably not the best decision for proxying
Echo tank based printers, just print them and glue it on to a land, tiny bit thicker but you know what never really bothered me. I only play with decks like this. I have not paid any more to wotc in years and I have all new decks
I've found it increasingly difficult to buy a large order (such as a singles order for a deck) all in one place. Big sellers often lack the inventory and using TCG player often requires so many carts that shipping fees are often more than the cards. I wonder if this is a result of less sellers and bad box EV making it hard to be a singles seller?
another problem i see her is UK not being part of the European Union anymore, cause it reduces the amount of people shipping to u by a DRASTIC amount
The very point of budget decks is that ideally you only use cards from your collection. Meaning that if you are missing some cards of the list you should replace them with what you have, not trying to order the cards you are missing. That improves your creativity as a deckbuilder and allows you to introduce some personal element into the deck. I find it more fun and challenging than using proxy.
Which is _fine_ if you have a collection, often these kinds of videos are aimed at people who would otherwise buy a pre-con (the TCC one explicitly is). They're not pitched for people who have a few thousand cards lying around, and buying bulk off someone is mostly gonna leave you with just commons and uncommons and adds cost itself.
I use tcgplayer and with a little effort you can get the shipping price down a lot by optimizing the carts yourself, i can always get a full decklist for less then 10 dollars shipping by going through and removing 1-3 card orders and finding those cards from other sellers in my cart. If a video says the deck costs 25, i can often get it for 32ish
I always buy all my cards at my LGS. In general some cards might be slightly more expensive, but I don't have to deal with any of this shipping and different sellers bullcrap. I do run into the issue of some cards not being in stock, which sorta sucks when I'm trying to make Pauper or Pioneer decks, but for a format as casual as commander it's very easy to replace basically any card with something else (other than the commander itself). Additionally for budget players (like me) I'm glad to say that in general cheaper cards will be in stock more often then more expensive cards, so the cheaper the cards your buying are, the more likely your LGS is to have them. I'd also recommend seeing what cards you own to try and reduce the cost of your deck that way. For example, if you notice you have lots of spellslinger cards, then maybe making a spellslingers deck will be pretty cheap for you. For all these reasons and more, I'd highly recommend buying from an LGS exclusively if possible.
Whenever I'm purchasing cards from TCG Player, I always search for "any condition" and "any printing." More often than not, even the "damaged" cards are in perfectly playable condition. And I don't mind some scuffs here or there, it just adds to the character of the cards. You will also get a better deal over all since your pool of cards and sellers will be a lot bigger. Of course I'm in the continental US though. US Postal Service can ship your cards coast to coast for 99 cents in under two weeks. I would definitely be interested in a comparison of buying cards in US/North America vs UK/Europe.
I find that a lot of sellers list cards at lower conditions just to get them off the books. I've ordered plenty of LP cards that are in NM condition.
For those wanting a budget build I highly recommend trying to build an Artisan deck. As long as a card has had a common or uncommon printing you can use it. Otherwise, not allowed. Sure there are cards like Rhystic Study that started as common and are now mythic that have a high price point, but you don't really need those. I made a Ganax, Astral Hunter and Feywild Visitor deck and it was some of the most fun I had with deck building. Working under the common/uncommon constraint with dragon tribal was a challenge, but it was fun trying to make it work
And this is why I have been finding alterative ways to play games like magic the gathering without playing magic the gathering. That led to me finding BBG, which had tons of great card games that were very cheap.
Patience is an underlooked part of this process. Have your decklist sorted on an app or site, gather whatever you can from your local/trades, save up for your annual card kingdom order, then do your biannual proxy site order to fill in the $10+ slots. None of my decks have been fully fleshed out in under 2 years and your limited to casual commander or tier 3 or lower in 60 card if you're budget is under $300 or you're against proxies. Don't try to start with a precon either they just cost you more in the long run and half the cards end up in your bulk box.
an interesting side effect of channels doing more budget, content and more people wanting it is that it gets harder to get within the cost when it comes to shipping. when i started making budget decks for my pals it was easy to find 1 or 2 places to ship all the cards making shipping nominal at best. but as more people use the less good and less mass printed cards that just never saw play the less it stays in stock as why refill on a 10 cent card from a set like ixalan. also a side effect of posting a bugdet deck is watching the price go up due to new demand for those cards as most wont look at there collection to find subs or the cards outright. glad you brought this up though as i have been seeing this increase for a while and was wondering how bad it has gotten as i never charted it but now i might have to. (side note i live in the us and seems like where i live shipping is lower then being shown(the north east for me))
Too true about factoring shipping cost when buying magic. Im new to mtg and barely started ordering cards online. Was able to get 30 foil cards from Wilds of Eldraone for $4 but had to pay $3 for shipping
When M10 released, I didn't have a legal deck due to rotation. So I dig through the commons pile for M10 cards and settled on a mono blue deck. The deck did well and every card in it costed 10 cents for a grand total of 6 dollars for the deck
I think the worst thing is that you can build ultra cheap cards. I build my abdel Adrian deck for around 20 bucks and that included an ashnods altar which I could arguably cut.
I got all the cards from my lgs. And my lgs is notorious for being overpriced compared to online.
The real problem is that deck building is actually hard. Something I haven't realised. Most people are not like me building weird and convoluted decks because they like it. Sometimes they just want to get a deck and have it. Which is fine. I did it with the 10th doctor deck.
At this point I feel that pre cons are the best value and I feel that this is why they increased their price over the last two years. They probably run a study to see how much an average budget players pays to buy a deck using online marketplaces and determined how much they can increase while feeling cheaper. And this is not conspiratorial, economists are fully capable to do that.
I appreciate you're talking about this subject and i like the way you went around and explained things but i do have to say that i would've appreciated a little editing to have numbers on the screen while you were talking about them as my hearing tends to betray me and english is not my first language. Overall enjoyed it and agree, keep it up!
All of my decks are budget! It's like $26 for 100 proxies and like $15 for shipping any number of decks
And this is why I proxy. Printer and paper is worth the investment if I can play whatever I want and my play group is cool with it. Best quote I’ve heard recently in favor of proxies, “we want to play against you, not your wallet.”
Huge difference with upgrading a precon and building a deck. Paying for the worth of a product versus building from scratch. I see where you are coming from tho.
Playing magic by buying cards is expensive. I build a niv mizzet parun deck on a budget and I think it still cost like 100 euros to actually get everything, despite the budget being 50 euros on goldfish and I feel like the EU prices are usually lower, all of that because of shipping.
Good video, I've always been dubious about a lot of claimed prices. Especially witth popular if common cards.
The title is a little clickbaity but then i clicked.
Breaking out my poop knife to cut the crap lol.
All of my cards are sleeved the same. So I can build whatever I want.
I have about 500 cards in each color, colorless, multicolor, special land and basic land.
At any time i can order just a commander and a signature related card to build around. That is budget.
If no one wants to this idc.
But this is my solution for building, not constantly buying.
It reduced my build time, collection time and need for bulk synergy pieces. Most of my cards are uncommon, rare and mythic rare and most are not really high value but are extremely playable. No reserved list crap.
I have a video showing my collection on my channel although its a bit more refined to my particular playstyle and art interests. It took a few years to assemble and finalize.
So whatever wotc does- it no longer causes storage or wallet fatigue. I give and trade away cards that dont fit my playstyle regardless of value. I cycle through and use all of my cards- there is no hoarding nor is there any real worry of value loss. (Although it makes trade a bit annoying lol)
95% of my collection is singleton. Since there is no real reason to have more than a couple decks to play with. One deck is battle hardened high removal and the other is test, jank, thematic and fun.
It is not budget at all to continuously buy deck components. Especially deck boxes, or tons of different color sleeves. If a sleeve gets damaged i can take one from an unused land. One box of sleeves is easily 100 replacements or with each new set- 5 to 10 collection slots. I also have a box of sleeved tokens. One bundle box holds 2 decks, about 40 tokens and a couple top loaders for commanders. That's all my weight i carry plus a bag of dice, bring my trade binder mainly during set release or for specific purpose trading. I'm not against wotc in regard to the game but more in regard to their pricing abuse. my collection is a response to that. I used to buy about a box a month, now it's a couple packs. None actually unless pack opening channels are pulling decent or interesting cards.
Regardless- i grew up having one deck at a time carefully crafted from pulls, with the advent of singles accessibility markets it made purpose building easy but reduced the magic imbued cards that had play experience and sentimental importance. If there is no connection to your cards do you really understand value? Very little dust settles on my collection and i wrote this to save you time, travel weight, expense and from storage problems😊
This sadly is a realisation I also had when trying to get into oathbreaker with an online decklist. I ended up using a guide that rebuilt a commander precon.
buying singles as compare to boosters is cheaper, sure. but your bulk is better sourced somewhere else. the shipping for so many cards can get you a whole 'nother 100 card precon.
No one wants to used heavily played cards? I used them all the time. Saves me money. Also card kingdom is known in the US for being overpriced and missing cards, tcgplayer would have been better for the experiment. I think the idea of the video is good I just don't agree with the choices made.
Yeah, I agree with his premise, BUT I can’t be the only one who has been fine with this. Not that I’m buying any decks anymore. WotC has completely lost me.
You legitimately barely save any money though on the cheap cards doing this because you still need them shipped to you. You can cut down the prices somewhat, but not enough to make either of these decks as cheap as claimed. I maybe should've said "the majority of people don't", but I can't take it back now lol.
proxies... always proxies
every card is a 30 cent card
@@TapDoubt you know, honestly this is why Feather is one of my favorite commanders. A card designed to take unplayable, penny cards and make them strong. We need more designs like it
I know this isn't the point of the video, which has a good thesis, but I must interject. Some people, myself included, DO like to play with heavily played or damaged cards. There's an "island of misfit toys" vibe to playing with underappreciated cards in power level, collectability, and/or physical card quality. The Gonti Deck school of deck appreciation, if you will.
I'm lucky enough to know quite a few people -- some of whom can help me get into groupbuys for shipping which greatly reduce the shipping costs. Also have access to several local game stores near where I live, and know quite a few people on account of being part of the community so long.
That said, it must be really hard to find pieces if you're new, no no one, and have no idea where to start looking.
Just discovered the channel. Got that sub from me!
TCGPlayer’s cart optimizer works decently well. It’s not perfect and sometimes you have to buy at the right time. I would not recommend buying around holidays because “one of” cards can disappear from their sellers quickly. But one of my strongest commander decks I built for like $9.94 card price total, which only went up to like $13 total including shipping (that’s without lands). Including lands from my LGS brought it up to like $15. Adding sleeves brings it closer to $19 but depending on the ones I use it could have been $17.
Still, very low price point but to go with the point of the video - shipping, lands, and sleeves nearly doubled the price of that deck. But as a counterpoint - that ~$10 in shipping, lands, and sleeves could be applied to any deck.
Sorry Cardmarket is lacking that feature currently.
I'm probably going to do a follow up of this video with TCGPlayer & CoolStuffInc. at some point.
I have also noticed this. Commander's Quarters is a nice guy. I haven't seen him voice or support any anti-consumer sentiments. But his decks suck. He must play with a group full of Timmies. His budget decks are also often (but not always) far over the budget allotted. He uses the Low market price, which is extremely disingenuous. The deck I'm working on now is about $5 at Low. But that is a price from a fantasy world and is more of an abstraction rather than a real level that people buy and sell at.
I haven't really considered shipping being really outrageous for some countries. For me, I just make a sizeable order from TCGplayer and have it sent direct. So I have a $2.99 shipping fee that is distributed through each card I purchase. For example, if I ordered 300 cards then each card was $.01 to ship. Of course you aren't going to get all the cards you want in this manner. In fact, I've noticed TCGplayer has far fewer cards up for grabs than it used to have. Obviously brewers cannot account for VAT, Customs, Taxes or anything like that. But I guess the only solution for that issue is to just follow the budget tubers from your region. Or redo the entire pricing structure of a budget deck to include a portion explaining the cost for it to be shipped.
I was trying to sell cards on ebay and I noticed some shysters peddling "budget commander decks" for $15. They're just every piece of bulk from a recent release that is packaged into a deck with whatever commander fits the colors. This really enraged me, and I set to work on brewing a budget deck that is actually powerful and whose value is under $20 with no card $1 or more. After about a year of testing, I finally came up with a winner. But I keep putting off making a video on it because wotc has decided to improve white and they keep printing these lovely cards that greatly improve my deck at a super bulk level. The little W robot that when it dies you gain a life and draw or whatever is so perfect for it....
My personal goal in budget deck creation is utilizing a lot of chaff most players will have on hand. Using the savings from those cards to make room for staples like Swords to Plowshares and recent bulk rares that may also be in their binder. Utilizing heavy synergy to makeup for the lower card quality on average and appeal to at least one of the two tenants of deck construction: card draw and mana ramp. Also it needs to be super resistant to board wipes and have a lot of interaction. I have tested it at each level of play outside of cedh, and scripted out the video. But wotc keeps making great cards for it that are going to end up being a nickel each. So it gets pushed back. How frustrating! Maybe after this set.
Doesn’t mitch use tcgplayer so wouldn’t the price be different for different online marketplaces?
The whole point is it doesn’t what they use to price it if that price doesn’t accurately represent what it would cost to buy it.
@@TapDoubt I get that I was just wondering if that accounted for some of the difference
$5 free shipping on TCGplayer is life.
I see, if you sail the seven seas like i do, get some bulk cards, get a printer, get some sleeves... I think you get it 😁
not a day goes by where i don't regret not putting in a "of course proxying exists" disclaimer in the video
Just proxy. You better thank the algorithm for suggesting this video.
I don't have many videos yet on this channel, but one I do have is about how to proxy, and it was made before the one you're commenting on.
But, importantly this video isn't about proxying. The kinds of videos I'm talking about here aren't saying "this deck costs $45 if you proxy it". I don't feel like I should have to disclaim "of course you can proxy instead" in videos where the context is clearly about official cards.
Cheap cards here, come out of the printer. I'm not paying €2 in shipping for a €0.01 card.
I do regret not saying “obviously you can just proxy” in this video
I hate Card Kingdom, they never have cards in stock and I also hate how these RUclips channels advertise them.
Play Penny Dreadfull on MTGO🎉
sounds super interesting, wish there was a way to make that playable in paper
yeah the LGS is really the only way to budget build, or I just build sub par decks from the cards I have and run with that
Nice hat. ^^
Thank you! 💚
Evergreen videos are not real
it’s been a while since I made this video, but i’m _pretty_ sure i qualified ‘evergreen’ with ‘fairly’ when I said it.
All my decks are budget. Cashbro wore my pocketbook out. Core 2020 was my last purchase. With power creep my once badass decks are losing dogs. Oh well, I still have masturbation.