funnily enough most these high end intel MacBooks will kill themselves before they hit these lifespans due to the heat, my 2019 15 inch 8 core i9 recently became a victim
2015 was the greatest year for MacBook Pros ever IMO, and yes I can vouch for its abilities as a portable music production monster. A 2015 MacBook Pro base config is basically all you really need if you want a cheap laptop to use Ableton or other production software on it. I had been using one of those nonstop until a couple months ago, until my cats broke my 15" MBP. I was heart broken and I couldn't decide whether I wanted to just buy ANOTHER 2015 or just get an M1 Pro. Well, it was only $600 more to get the 16" M1 Pro MBP. But to be honest, the 16" MBP feels like home. Feels like the spiritual successor to the 15" MBP of 2015. They are ALMOST EXACTLY the same size. The 2015 MBP is like 90cm^3 and the 2021 16" MBP is like 97cm^3. Almost the same keyboard layout, basically same ratios between keyboard area, speaker area, etc, except now it has a full big trackpad which is maybe great? I'm not sure yet. I found myself to be more accurate with my 2015 MBP trackpad than this one; I can't seem to get the speed scaling right yet.
My cat loves standing or sitting on my macbook too, he slides off the lid when it's closed and it's so funny but i worry he will scratch it with his claws trying to get a grip, i have a 2009 17" that dual boots with Windows but he doesn't seem to stand on this one, in fact he will snuggle beside me and watch what i'm doing, it's usually youtube on the 17" because it's like a mini tv. The 2015 MBP is still so good, i have edited 4K videos easily on it and i love it's speakers for mixing and listening to music, i think it will last for a lot more years because if my 2009 MBP can run Monterey seemlessly then the 2015 should be able to run a newer MacOS in 3-5 years time and many apps/softwares will support them for more years after that
@JimAllen-Persona I think they might still push security updates because i still get security iOS updates for my 2016 iPhone SE and it's nearly 3 years out of new iOS update.
IMO 2012-2015 were the best years for Apple in general. They started going downhill after 2015 when they introduced the Touch Bar which failed quite a bit, the problematic butterfly keyboards, and laptops that are blazing hot. Not to mention, they started soldering on storage to the logic board instead of making it removable. Same with RAM. The M1 Macs and beyond are really good, but what steers me away is not being able to upgrade components unless I spend hundreds of dollars for a professional to solder on upgrades. Even then, it voids any warranty, and the failure rate is pretty high. Apple does this so they can upcharge more on upgrades that isn't worth the price they're asking for.
2019 16-inch user here, i got mine back in October of 2023 and i knew his life won't be long but well... we still have bootcamp, glad to see it called the best of Intel, shame to see it sunset.
I'm really curious why someone would, in Oct. 23 buy a four year old intel macbook, when the MX ones are so much more powerful and there literally is no benefit to a four year old one, obviously expect that the price for a used one will be much cheaper.
@@ezikhoyo Can only speak for myself but I prefer Intel sentimentally, and having not used an Mx much I don't miss anything. And the cost factor is very important to many. Plus the option to dualboot with Windows is also a benefit - Mx only supports virtual ARM Windows, which is not the same as Windows you'd get on a non-Apple computerr.
@@ezikhoyofor bootcamp and the fact that you can get a really good high end spec for around the same price as a used base m1 macbook air, the difference between a used m1 and a new one isnt that big either, so its not really that great of an option for used when you can spend a bit more for new
i bought the same computer in November 2023 - 8 core i9, 32gb memory, 5600m, i actually sold my M2 macbook pro to get it and i'm very happy with it. we also have the new MacOS Sequoia and i am happy to report that it runs great on my macbook. I think we'll be fine for a while.
I buy and sell intel MacBooks which I add SSD's to or update with the OCLP patchers (which work very well) or put Linux on. They ALL work very well and I'm talking 2010 until now. Sure a M series is better but for many if not most users who simply stream movies, browse the web, do basic Photoshop and more they work fine. The M1 is going for $650 at several big stores. If you are looking to do more intensive Photoshop or movie edits, get one. However for many of us if not most a 'older' intel unit is fantastic.
I love hearing from someone whose job it is to repair and upgrade these. Did it on a small scale in 2021 and thoroughly enjoyed it! Agree with your comment.
WoYS really should’ve mentioned Linux as an option for the Intel Macbooks, will stretch the life of these devices even further by removing the bloat of macOS. With Linux, you'll be able to use the dual core CPU models for web browsing and document editing for a couple of more years, just like people do on old business laptops. ElementaryOS is the Linux distro that most closely resembles macOS, note that it’s not exactly like macOS so you’ll have to relearn a few things. And it has a reputation for being buggy, don't know if they've fixed it yet.
@@montaguebarnabasltd Thankfully I didn’t emphasize elementaryOS too much because I had forgotten how eccentric and controversial it is. For example, it has the minimize and maximize buttons on opposite ends instead of grouped together and no minimize button. And it nudges users into donating for open source software, it’s thoughtful of them to think of the developers who contribute to Linux and apps without getting paid. But it also drives away those who are attracted to open source because it is free or who don’t like being guilted into paying. These traits could present an inaccurate first impression of Linux to Apple fans, they should start with a more orthodox beginner distro like Linux Mint. Lastly, I don’t own a Macbook so I can’t comment on how well Linux typically works on them. They’ll likely be fine, but hey at least Linux costs nothing to try.
My 2009 17" MacBook died without warning a few weeks ago, it went from working to just not turning on no matter how many smc resets i did, interestingly this week my iPhone X malfunctioned and the screen is totally unresponsive. Of course i bought a replacement 17" MacBook, I love the screen size for watching RUclips and working on documents, I'm running Monterey on it and find it works quite well, it has 8GB RAM and a 2TB SSD and dual boots Windows 10 for my microsoft only softwares. I think it has a few more years left, it's going to be sad when the optical drive macbooks stop working completely because i do use them a lot for burning and ripping CDs and I have found they rip the CDs faster than my windows laptop did.
Similar thing happened to my father’s Mac. Very unlucky turn of events though, sorry to hear! Yeah can’t get enough of those 17” screens. The matte ones are even better. Hope this one lasts a bit longer!
@@montaguebarnabasltd did that happen to his recently too? Yes mine is the anti-glare screen I like the silver bezel because it matches the entire colour scheme of the MacBook.
gotta consider software support, i feel intel macs will lose support by 2026 at best, so all of them will be useless beyond 2026, there will be no way to patch them, and as time goes on(2027, 2028) even apps will lose support for intel
True. I would imagine it’ll be 2027 for security updates, which makes them useable pretty much until then without patches or workarounds (whatever ends up happening once Intel is no longer supported on Intel). Thanks for watching!
I'm betting the last Firefox ESR release for Intel macOS will be in 2030 at the very latest, usually the web browsers continue support for a year or two after support from Apple ends, so if Apple's last x86 release is in 2026, that'll give us until 2028 for the last security patch, and probably 2030 for a Firefox ESR or the last Chrome release for it.
its a pc, you still will be able to patch it and install newest software no matter the time, 2012-2013 macbooks are powerful enough to handle anything, even more than the most recent windows laptops, so you can still use them 10 and more years until they stop working by hardware issue, and if its not possible to install the newest macos you can still install windows or linux
I consider all "Core 2 Duo" and later Macs usable. Even for the oldest of them (around year 2006-2008), Mac OS 10.7.5 Lion and an up-to-date Chromium Legacy browser are supported. The latest Ubuntu is also usable.
I would say everythin intel i-series and beyond.... Core 2 Duos are just slow in 2024, even basic web browsing feels laggy... The fist i5´s etc. are just so much better in comparison
Nine to eleven years is pretty good considering corporate leasing programs rarely exceed four years. My 2009 MBP still works fine for basic functions. My regular machine is a 2018 13” MBP. Works fine for heavier lifting. I also bought the last Intel iMac and loaded it up with memory, and it is a workhorse.
I bought the last 16 inch Macbook Pro with the i9 and just 3 months later I bought an M1 Mac mini on launch day, as a hold over until the more powerful M1 Max 16 inch came out. I spent way too much money that year. But I have to say I gave the i9 Macbook to my Mom and it serves all her needs for sure. I'm still on the M1 Max and am holding off until I need a new Machine. LOL
I absolutely love my early 2015 MacBook Pro 13 inch. Never had an issue. I AM looking forward to eventually buying perhaps an m6 MacBook Pro. Hopefully that one will also carry me at least 10 years.
I was indeed someone who bought a 2015 MBP 15" and never even looked at MacBooks or even other apple products whatsoever until Apple Silicon was released. And even then I didn't ditch the 2015 MBP 15" until 2024. But yeh, I absolutely did not care at all about Apple products from 2016-2024, and I was an iOS and MacOS developer for 3 years from 2017-2020 lol, still didn't care. Didn't need a better machine, the 2015 was too good
Just wanna say that your channel has been an absolute goldmine for looking at refurbished Intel Macs! I’m currently debating between a 2021 16” M1 Pro MacBook Pro (16gb/512ssd) and a 2019 16” MacBook Pro (32gb/1 TB ssd) on Ebay. Both are on auction and more than likely the 2019 will go for the lower price of the two. As much as the M1 is tempting, I know I’ll regret the 16gb. It’s just so expensive the RAM upgrades with Apple. I plan to use it as a desktop Mac, to test out NLE packages and other video centric software. Not for freelance or work but more of a baseline system to dive deeper into post-production software and testing (I’m a finishing editor at a creative agency by day). So not really too worried about fans kicking in, the Touch Bar or the OS dropped support (OCLP is a thing).
Thanks for watching and commenting! Nice to hear your perspective. These days I would push people towards M1 machines where at all able, but I do think you’ll get some use out of a 2019. Best of luck with it either way.
@@darkraven-666 like I said OCLP is a thing. This is not meant to be a long term solution - an M-powered Mac Mini will replace it in the coming years. 2 more years of Sonoma support is more than enough for me 👌🏾
Hi, a 2018 13" base model MacBook Pro owner here. I got it in August of 2018 (my first ever Mac laptop) and since then I’ve been using it quite a lot for almost every single task like video editing, audio machine, graphic design and many other things. Obviously it has the thermal issues, overheating sometimes and the butterfly keyboard (which honestly never gave me any problems), and I have to live with that. I was kinda surprised when I found they will give macOS Sequoia to 2018 models and I also realised 2024 will be the last year they will give support to these machines. Guess I’ll be using it until it dies in my hands.
I have a MBP 2018 15" with a 2.6GHz 6-core Intel i7 and Iris 630 GPU with 16GB RAM. Running Sonoma 14.5 without any problems and waiting for an update to Sequioa. So far no thermal issues, hoping to keep it for some more years! =)
My 2015 mbp which I had over 4 years is to this day a capable working machine. The fans go crazy, I can't put it on my lap because it will burn me, sometimes it hangs while on load, it has to be permanently plugged to a wall... but I cannot deny that it still gets the job done, one way or the other. Recently upgraded to an m4 machine, and to say the least scripts that took 4-5 minutes for the 2015 to finish, the m4 machine does in 20 seconds while remaining cool to the touch. Definitely worth the improvement.
I have a macbook pro 2018 and I’m pretty disappointed with it. It has the recognised keyboard issue where some keys double click and it drives me crazy. Also overheats easily. It’s basically a mac mini at this point. On the other side my work laptop is a macbook pro M2 16gb ram and it’s the perfect machine. Just go apple silicon if you need to buy a new mac.
I love my late 2013 13'inch MBP, and I don't find the dual core hyper threaded cpu and 8gb to be too slow, it's still the fastest and snappiest laptop I've owned. I was surpised to find it could run games natively pretty decently, but it shined with steam link on the Beautiful Retina 2k screen. Gaming PC + macbook means I didnt have to shell out for a 15 inch, and those are way too heavy and big for me. Even the 13inch is heavy, but not one scratch or dent on it and that's why I chose it over a 15 inch, purely for looks and movie watching, steam link, which works fine :) great netflix machine.
*Watching on a mid 2015 15" MacBook Pro*... Love watching this- thank you! I really do love my Mac. The only reason I would need to get a new one is if this one just didnt function correctly any more- I dont do anything intense these day, just basic browsing and watch copious amounts of youtube! However, I am concerned that it will no longer receive security updates from around October this year (I think!?). When the time comes, would like to attempt OpenCore, but that makes me nervous and there art any videos demonstrating updating a 2015" MacBook Pro specifically, if that makes sense (I think this machine needs to grab the kdk directly and plug it into the router or something .... edit, just checked and i dont think my machine does. Mine is a MacBookPro11,4) and it just makes me nervous in general! Thank you so much! Loved this!
Thanks for watching as always! Patching a 2015 with OpenCore should be pretty straightforward, but not necessary until 2025 I would say. You’ll be fine for a couple of months without the latest security bits. People continue to run Catalina and Big Sur to this day, and they’re half a decade old now. If it were me, I wouldn’t patch until the end of 2025 if you don’t want to. Choice is yours though.
@@montaguebarnabasltd thank you so much! The whole security thing does concern me, but so does openCore and things possibly going wrong. Guess I will see how I feel and how things go when the time comes . Wonder how safe people really are or feel 🤷♀️ thank you!
I would agree with most of it but I think that top spec 2017 15' Macbook pros would last a little bit longer than top spec 2015 15' Macbook pros. Their cpu performance is equal but their graphics are noticeably more powerful with 4GB of VRAM compared to 2GB in the 2015's (2017's score 20700 in geekbench compared to 2015's 13700). Also from what I have noticed they are 3x quieter at max rpm compared to the 2015's (also their touchbar's are not the most practical but amazingly quirky). I get that they lack legacy ports and have butterfly keyboards but I felt like they deserved some notice especially that I've recently have been able to buy a fully spec'd one for just 450$. Compared to about 300$ for a fully optioned 2015 I don't think it is the worst option out there (especially that mine has 2TB of storage).
I think DDR3 holds the 2017s back a bit which a lot of people forget. On the other hand, you’re right about graphics for sure. Perhaps I was a bit harsh! The touchbar is something I do wish we saw a little bit more of over the last few years. Anyway. Thanks for watching and commenting. Hope you get a good few years out of the computer!
2017's suffer from butterfly keyboard and flexgate. Basically, avoid any MacBook from 2015 12" until 2019 16" models. The A2141 was the first device I would recommend to anyone. Oh, and avoid the USB-C MacBook Airs altogether until M1.
@@PvtAnonymous Well 2015’s have staingate : ). The butterfly keyboards aren’t as big of a flaw as everyone thinks. The one’s on 2016’s & 2017’s are known to have issues (2017’s were improved slightly) but from what I have found out it’s amazingly easy to fix them. The keys are very easy to remove (compared with scissor switches on 2015’s witch are rather time consuming to remove), after wich it is possible to clean the whole area (almost always dirt and grime cause key’s to stick and double-click). 2018’s and 2019’s are much less likely to have any problems with their keyboard’s (apple revised the “butterfly” keyboard in 2018). I guess 🦋 keyboards lack typing feedback (because of lack of key travel) but they feel much more modern (in my opinion having both of these Mac’s) then the 2015’s scissor switches.
Still using my (late) 2015 Macbook Air with 8 gb ram. Can’t believe this is the basic option sold almost a decade later. Its about to die from overheat but it had a good run! Excited to upgrade to M3!
I'd suspect a lot of the GPU issues on older Macs are related to the thermal paste applied on manufacture disintegrating after a decade or so of use. Thermal paste starts to fall apart after about 6 years. Other aspect not covered in this video is the various revisions of the butterfly keyboard. In either 2017 or 2018 it was redesigned with a barrier to stop debris falling into the key switches, which had caused all the issues on early versions of the butterfly keyboard. As a boring individual who used to build & sell intel NUC hackintoshes, I'd also like to see more attention paid to speaker quality in MacBook reviews generally. A 2019 16 inch and the earlier 15 inch models (or any 13 inch macbooks) are totally incomparable machines when listening to music or watching movies.
I especially regret not mentioning speakers. 2015 was the year I remember Mac speakers really pulling ahead of the crowd. The 2019 16” was truly special, too. Thanks for watching, and I appreciate the feedback, which will go towards improving future vids.
it is suspected that the butterfly issues are actually not related to dust but heat. The 2018/19 models had basically the same reliability as before. Knowing how thin these keyboards are (I replaced some), it makes total sense actually.
Got Big Sur running on my white macbook 2010 unibody using opencore. 2.4ghz Core 2 duo with 8gb ram. Works reasonably well for browsing and watching videos. Programs (Chrome, zoom etc...) runs faster if I load everything in ram with tmpdisk.
14:40 you forget to mention that a lot of m1 with 8gb dies because apple decided to share the ram when it gets full with the ssd storage chips. However the SSD lifespan decreased by up to 10x more and that happend on a lot of machines where the ssd storage chips are failing.
I have a 2013 MacBook Air, been using it with mavericks till now with chromium legacy (yes, that’s all u need to make mavericks usable), but I am going to upgrade to the 2013 pro since it will be very usable with OCLP
i got a 2019 16 inch pro and im running linux on it, its a gaming beast but i got the 4gb of vram option so that is limiting me a bit. Also really want to upgrade from 16gb of ram to 32gb and upgrade my vram to 8gb but well its apple
My 2013 15" MBPr is still going strong, now serving as my home server in my garage with a couple DAS from OWC holding my Lightroom photo library and and a few other drives holding my home videos and movies.
I do on app MacBook Pro M1, 2 from 2021 but I also have my 2014 MacBook Air which I’ve been using for almost 10 years now and in the battery department it says I need to change them, but I still get like five hours of video playback and I can get almost everything done on that system except developing which I do on my MacBook Pro. Everything else I can get done on my MacBook Air, which is really funny because if you check the RUclips almost everyone writes them off saying that it’s too late or too old. But at least for me it’s working fantastic. I was running the latest then I did reset and I think I am running the last version of MacOS, which had the 32 bit support so I have a lot more app support without losing too much functionality. In my opinion, those MacBook before maybe from 2015 and Earlier did not have big bottlenecks and sturdy construction and I think if you put a little bit of work like disabling the indexing and cleaning up the bin once in a while, you can still use the systems for almost anything except for heavy work loads such as video production and app development.
I have a 2012 mba and you were pretty spot on about how it will last lol, I use it daily on boot camp for work as an engineer even and I can run some heavy projects in autocad with no problem, I'm quite surprised how long it lasted, although from time to time it stops working and randomly comes back to life after a few days lol
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Familiar MacBook Air design was introduced in 2010 during their October event. They also showed a sneak peak of Mac App Store and OS X Lion during the same press event. MacBook Air was originally introduced in 2008 as a first MacBook to introduce “unibody” design. But in 2010 design was changed. It no longer had sliding out door for usb port like original MacBook Air in 2008. So since 2010 up until 2018 MacBook Air did had same design. On 2018 MacBook Air was finally updated with retina screen (took them awful long to do that). The same MacBook Air design since 2018 was used for their very first M1 machine (+ at the same event they introduced M1 MacBook Pro 13” although they also still continued to sell intel based MacBook Pro 13” with 4 usb-c ports right along with it)
I am aware of the small changes, but to me because body shape is broadly the same they belong to the same design chapter. I suppose that’s why I’ve always lumped them in together. You’re absolutely right about the lineage, though, and have a broad knowledge of MacBooks, which is always appreciated here. Thanks for watching!
I have a 2017 Air 13” i7/16gb/512gb. I bought it new in 2018 from their old stock knowing they’ll never make a better laptop again and at least this one is serviceable. It still works 7 years later and has very low battery cycles. I installed 11 over the entire SSD. When I can’t get parts for it anymore, I’ll upgrade to the Framework.
Been binge watching all of your videos. You definitely deserve more subs. Any chance of doing a video on what pre-M1 MacBook is best for Windows gaming?
@@montaguebarnabasltd Great to hear! Would be interesting to see some benchmarks. I have an M1 Pro 16 inch MacBook and Parallels can play some things, but it’s very hit or miss.
@@oliverjia1014 unless you get a 32gb version, any M series macbook is useless for gaming, might as well buy a budget gaming laptop, your best option is the 16" 2019 macbook with the 5000m series chip
The 2017 12” MacBook is still the perfect MacBook. So extremely portable, and runs Windows well on Bootcamp. The i5 and i7 models are pretty fast still for basic office tasks and even iMovie. Should last for another two years, until 2026. I hope they release another super portable MacBook by then, they could easily have fitted a 13” screen in that magical tiny chassi.
Still remember my first Mac was 2011 and it dead due to graphic. Still remembered a lawyer from which states I forgotten. He launched lawsuit on Apple. Some got reimbursed some can send to nearest Apple Store to get repaired.
Still rocking a Dell Latitude 5511 hackintoshed as a 2020 Macbook Pro on Sonoma. Good to see there's a couple of years left in the old Intel dog before I have to get a hyper un-upgradable M1.
All seems to make sense, my 13' 2012 (1tb SSD +16gb ram) is fine for simple tasks, but recording and editing in the daw stops working after a dozen of tracks and final cut just takes forever to bounce a small video...I don't see it making to 2025 unless just using for browsing
2013 13" Pro Retina 4/128 with blown speaker still running smooth might install linux on it if it keeps slowing(catalina was the best balance between performance and features)
I have the 2020 13” mbp with the high wattage i5 and 32gb ram with 512gb. Machine is incredible. Runs bootcamp and honestly never had any desire for any M series just yet. Maybe an m6
i had a 2019 13 inch and that thing was always running hot, it was a fire hazard! the space key broke on the keyboard and as tech savvy as i am i had to replace the whole dam top case!! terrible keyboard switches, i couldn't figure out how to replace all 3 mechanisms, so i bought some thermal grizzly paste and when i took it apart to change the top, i cleaned and repasted the gpu and cpu and let me tell you, that thing ran COOL! i couldn't believe the difference!!
They are fully integrated with most iphone features. I can connect this mac to my 2021 M1 Max and split screen and share screens. I can drag content from a 2012 to my 2021 M1 max with ease
Only Intel Macs worth using now are the 2012 Unibody MacBook Pros, because they're dirt cheap and upgradable/serviceable, and the 2013-2015 MacBook Pros because they can still offer a decent value for the price. I'd avoid everything Intel from 2016 until 2020, they're not worth the time because they're not cheap enough, have shit-tier keyboards, the 2016-2018 ones are on the same performance level as the 2012-2015 Macs, and the 2018/2019 15" & 16" ones that are faster have such bad thermals they'll die an early death anyway, and they'll still be beat by a base M1 in most tasks. Aside from the 2012-2015 MacBook Pros which can offer a good value, I would just skip straight to an M1 or later since these seem to be the second coming of the golden era of MacBooks, especially the original M1 versions. The M1s were the last MacBooks that did not use serialized parts and can still be repaired fairly easily. Starting with the new 14" & 16" M1 Pro/Max models most of the parts are tied to the SoC they were shipped with, so swapping parts like screens and whatnot will cause you to have missing features and general weirdness due to it not being serviced by Apple. I'm actually using a 14" M1 Pro right now and if it dies outside of my warranty period (which ends in July 2025), I will not be buying another Mac even though I love this one a lot, it's not feasible to repair the M1 Pro/Max & M2/M3 machines out of warranty.
Don’t have too much to say in reply, but I share your opinion almost entirely. Sounds like you might do a better job of running this channel than me lol.
I'd love to see a desktop version of this! I have a 2014 Mac mini and am still using it as a secondary machine to do long-term projects alongside my M1 Pro 16"
Yep, same. Been thinking about whether a 2018 Mac Mini a solid choice since it's the latest (hopefully latest, not last) model where it's possible to add some more RAM.
@@regentregent1905 the problem I have is that I sold MacBooks for a while, but never Mac desktops. I’d have to do a lot of background research for the video, so it would take up a lot of time with no guarantee people would be interested lol. Anyway, I would recommend an M1 Mac Mini, to be honest. They’re down to about £350/$450, which is insane price to performance. Also you won’t miss the extra RAM, I can almost promise you.
@@regentregent1905 A nice thing about the 2018 Mac mini is that it runs macOS Mojave very smoothly, since that's the version it came with. And that is also the last version to support 32-bit apps. That's why I still have my 2014, so that I can keep playing my favorite game. But I did actually try out a 2018 Mac mini, and it just runs so hot that it was kind of concerning me. The fans weren't quite as noticeable as the 2014, but the heat output was something I couldn't really deal with, so I ended up just keeping the 2014 Mac mini with 8GB RAM and Intel Iris graphics. It works really well on OS X Yosemite and El Capitan, but starts to drop performance a bit up to Mojave, and a lot more starting with Catalina. But maybe if you have an SSD in it, it'll run more smoothly
I am having early 2008 macbook running snow leopard i don't use it and i upgrade to macbook pro 2012 both are 13 inch as you said sonoma will be it last update for 2012 model so we can have up to 2026 security updates only.
The 2012 unibody Macbooks had SERIOUS problems with logic boards as well as screen burn in on certain versions of the screen. They sold two versions: One with a Samsung display and one with the LG display. If you were unlucky enough to get one with the LG display, it would be seriously prone to screen burn in. I'm not sure if both versions had logic board issues or only the LG versions but you couldn't choose which model you got, it was just a 50/50 chance.
@@Spladoinkal in all the time I’ve worked with MacBooks, I’ve never heard anyone say 2012 Unibodies have serious logic board problems. As far as the display thing goes, I’ve owned 10+ of those and never seen burn in, but it’s definitely possible! Thankfully screens are dirt cheap for them now, so very reasonable to replace.
cries in 2009 iMac that just gave up recently… I’ve unlived it w/ Sonoma😭 that poor thing was like that’s it I’ve had enough of this oclp bs-I want some rest!😭😭
Thank you for making this video. I'm still holding onto my water damaged 2014 Macbook pro. It doesn't work. I have to get it fixed. I miss that machine....
I use a 2009 white plastic Macbook for day to day web browsing etc. Its patched to run macOS Sonoma, has an SSD and 6GB RAM. Runs fine. Not fast, but for basic tasks it's fine.
I would argue that the 2011 MacBook Pro was still very upgradeable. I had 512gb SSD and 16gb of RAM installed since 2015 and it is still plenty quick for moderate tasks. My daily, until I get an M chip MBP, is a 2018 and the 2011 can keep up with 90% of normal workloads.
Forgot to mention teh speakers, just want to add that the speakers in M1 air is... something. I mean its crystal clear but the low bass are so low i need an eq to balance it out and it would still sound inferior compared to MacBook pros.
Intel macbooks are definetly quite a weird thing, I have an macbook air 2017 with 8 gigs of ram and an 128gb ssd, sadly it died on me last month (it won’t boot on, some call it the black screen of death) and I sadly can’t play most of the old save files I have on games there (especially gzdoom), for now I sadly have that macbook air just siitting on my shelf (it’s the only pc I have sadly)
My mid-2019 15-inch MacBook Pro with an 8 Core i9 processor is still going strong. I replaced it last year with a 14-inch M2 Max MacBook Pro. Comparing the two Macs, their performance on most tasks is comparable. The M2 Max is a lot more powerful, but the Core i9 can still handle graphics and processor heavy tasks very well. If I had not bought the M2 Max MacBook Pro last year, I would still be OK. Maybe Apple will stop supporting my Intel MacBook Pro when they release the next macOS this year. I have renewed the AppleCare on it twice so it's still under warranty.
i use a 13inch 2012 mac book pro running mac os ventura and windows 10 with a 500gb ssd, this is my first mac book pro. i am 14 by the way so i think it will last for a long time to come even if in the future i just use it as a windows 10 machine. the only downside is that the battery has 460 cycles.
As a 2019 Air user....this hit hard with the Sequoia update. Not even 5 years. Open Core will help since the 2020 intel got it but that's probably the last hoorah for anything intel. Its a shame really...but we knew it was coming and frankly Ill go M2 Mini next
i have a 2009 macbook pro 13" and its only really good for doing legacy things which is why i got it. even though it has alot of support with opencore legacy i installed big sur just to see how it would be. aside from basic web browsing its almost unusable because half of the CPU alone is being used to just render the desktop. not only that it gets hot quick even with the fans at max speed. so yeah dont recommend a 2009 unless you need something cheap that can run mountain lion
This video needs an update, Mac OS Sequoia was a very underwhelming update and luckily it has had one of the least losses in terms of support for MacBooks, only the MacBook Air 2018/2019 were dropped.
My 2011 15 inch MBP is still chugging along, GPU still without a glitch! I guess I just got super lucky, or I managed to use it without overheating it...😅
I just bought an m3 macbook and I'm a video editor. I had the 2015 macbook pro up until now and I can say without a doubt that it could not keep up with my workloads whatsoever. Still a good laptop overall though.
Brother I’m planning on getting the last intel, (2020 mackbook pro 32gb ram/ 512 or 1tb ssd, i want to buy because of the intel so i can run the windows os on that, planning of using it for 3 years and later switch to a high performance Microsoft laptop, I currently use the surface book 3 which i bought immediately it came out, but it’s running so slow when I’m multitasking,, i think the mac pro 2020 will be cool, i do not like mac os that much, or you suggest i get the m2 or m3 mac
@@montaguebarnabasltd i think so, but here’s the thing, i don’t like mac os, i prefer to run windows on the 2020 intel with high specs, 32gb i7, i think it’ll work best, and hey all he said in this video is true but, i know people using 2013 intel MacBook with just 8gb run but still works perfectly, i don’t think the 2020 macs wouldn’t last for another 10 years
@@SaylessFX Get a Framework laptop instead lol, Macbooks have had some abysmal hardware defects over the years and Apple's repair costs are insane. Framework is widely praised and has high quality, easily replaceable components. Typing this on my 2020 Macbook Pro 13
I think they are about equal in how good they are. Since the 2017 is cheaper though, I push people towards that one because it’ll get you further for cheaper if that makes sense…
Going to buy 2019 mbp 16 inch i9.confused if i should take 16 or 64 gb ram.i want to use it for normal daily tasks,video editing,using bootcamp windows mainly for gaming like gta,valorant,lol,minecraft etc., what ram option would you recommend?
Highly suggest you go with at least M1. Intel architecture support will soon be discontinued by Apple. With the M1, you are much more likely to stay longer "in the game".
I was in the same situation as you at the start of 2023. Bought a 2019 16 inch and regretted it. Managed to sell it for the same price I paid. Never looked back. If gaming is important to you, build a PC for a few hundred bucks. If gaming on your main laptop is important to you, get a top spec 2015. Nothing merits getting one of these right now unfortunately, as the other guy said it’s a soon to be lost relic.
@@vikasvicky7880 yes, I mean a 2.8Ghz 2015 15” with R9 M370X graphics. Storage is whatever you’re comfortable with, but they’re upgradeable so don’t spend too much on getting the right size first time.
Which one is better? Air 2015 or 2017? What do you think? With the same 8gb ram / ssd 128gb 👍 thanks in advance, your content is so great since the timeline is really easy to understand 🙌
I run an i5 2012 unibody 13 inch macbook pro on windows 10, with an ssd and at least 8Gb of ram. The laptop is HELLA zippy, i'm even confident to get windows 11 on it once theres enough optimisations! Amazing buy, feels like it will last another 10 years.
Watchinh it with my i7 2011 mbp pro (ps: the gpu is working fine. No problem at all). It comes with dual graphics. If the main dies...you have the intel integrates to expand the lifetime of the machine. It is one of the best.
Picked up a 2014 retina macbook pro 13 for $80 with nothing wrong except for the dreaded red light of death which renders the speakers useless. It works beautifully for school work and watching videos.
The switch to Intel CPUs made me buy my first Apple Laptop in the late 2000s. Several Apple-specifics made me return to Windows. Just to return to an M1 macbook air in 2021. That CPU was a real game-changer. I would even buy a recent mac mini, they are amazing value for the money. But I just don't need it, it actually makes me sad....
Hi, thanks for your useful comments! A neighbour of mine is selling a Macbook Pro 13" from 2011, High Sierra 10.13.6, Intel HD 3000 512Mb, 2.3Ghz Intel Core i5, 16GB 1600 MHz DDR3. Selling for 150€ (the battery needs replacing). I'm thinking of buying a cheap computer for the kids, to start learning to type and do research on Internet. I'd like it to last for a few years. Do you reckon this would be a good buy? thanks so much for your help!
I also see it has a 320GB sata disc, but with only 20.99Gb left (is that because the OS takes up much space maybe?) and it has a bump to the side the touchpad, which doesn't affect its use, he says.
Hey, thanks for watching! To be honest, €150 can probably buy a 2012 or 2013 machine. Those are significantly better than the 2011. I think your neighbour might not realise his laptop isn’t worth that much. Have a look on eBay, I would say. My mother uses a 2013 MacBook Pro every day, and it’s still a very decent computer. Hope this helps
Made me grin to see a clip of my 2016 MacBook Pro video in there!! Awesome content; I thoroughly enjoyed this video and think you have a definite knack for understanding these Macs. I just had a 2016 Pro 13” and was running Sonoma with OpenCore on it; and it was a pain with the base 2.0GHz cpu and 8GB RAM. I needed to wait a couple of minutes after boot up for it to be truly useable; and that wasn’t fun. I think these MacBooks run a lot better when they’re running the OS Apple officially supports; which makes sense. Thanks again for the great vid!
Hey, thanks for watching, and glad you enjoyed! Really appreciate the lovely comment. Took an interest in computers in 2020 and the ball kept rolling lol. Hope you don’t mind the fact that I used your video! Yeah I think especially on the dual core 13” machines it’s best to leave them unpatched.
@@montaguebarnabasltd Absolutely! It made me so happy to see my content being used somewhere! And excellent point; I've seen that my quad core 2015 and 2016 Pros that I've owned have managed Sonoma a lot better. Puts the 2018 MacBook Pro in a good spot if it wasn't for the butterfly keyboard that I simply cannot recommend :/
@@montaguebarnabasltd agreed! Especially with the dying SSDs in the 2019 16" - and the fact that anything not butterfly is way too close in price to the M1 air. Lol. Enough said. Thanks for making great content bro, I subbed.
I would like to try using a macbook, but I already have an EliteBook 840G5 with more i/o, which I don’t really want to sell. But can’t justify spending a lot of money for the comparable performance with 840g5. What a fucking “first world” problem)))
funnily enough most these high end intel MacBooks will kill themselves before they hit these lifespans due to the heat, my 2019 15 inch 8 core i9 recently became a victim
Shits rough
Sorry about that
PTM7950 on CPU and GPU, often cleaning from dust, and VRM thermal Pad mod where possible, they Will become immortal
@@andreanastro6189 accessing them is long as they are on the other side of the motherboard, let’s be honest most people ain’t doing that
Sorry to hear that also ;(
Don’t scare me bro …
2015 was the greatest year for MacBook Pros ever IMO, and yes I can vouch for its abilities as a portable music production monster. A 2015 MacBook Pro base config is basically all you really need if you want a cheap laptop to use Ableton or other production software on it. I had been using one of those nonstop until a couple months ago, until my cats broke my 15" MBP. I was heart broken and I couldn't decide whether I wanted to just buy ANOTHER 2015 or just get an M1 Pro. Well, it was only $600 more to get the 16" M1 Pro MBP. But to be honest, the 16" MBP feels like home. Feels like the spiritual successor to the 15" MBP of 2015. They are ALMOST EXACTLY the same size. The 2015 MBP is like 90cm^3 and the 2021 16" MBP is like 97cm^3. Almost the same keyboard layout, basically same ratios between keyboard area, speaker area, etc, except now it has a full big trackpad which is maybe great? I'm not sure yet. I found myself to be more accurate with my 2015 MBP trackpad than this one; I can't seem to get the speed scaling right yet.
My cat loves standing or sitting on my macbook too, he slides off the lid when it's closed and it's so funny but i worry he will scratch it with his claws trying to get a grip, i have a 2009 17" that dual boots with Windows but he doesn't seem to stand on this one, in fact he will snuggle beside me and watch what i'm doing, it's usually youtube on the 17" because it's like a mini tv. The 2015 MBP is still so good, i have edited 4K videos easily on it and i love it's speakers for mixing and listening to music, i think it will last for a lot more years because if my 2009 MBP can run Monterey seemlessly then the 2015 should be able to run a newer MacOS in 3-5 years time and many apps/softwares will support them for more years after that
nah, the 2021 Macbook Pro M1 Pro is the best spec
@JimAllen-Persona I think they might still push security updates because i still get security iOS updates for my 2016 iPhone SE and it's nearly 3 years out of new iOS update.
IMO 2012-2015 were the best years for Apple in general. They started going downhill after 2015 when they introduced the Touch Bar which failed quite a bit, the problematic butterfly keyboards, and laptops that are blazing hot. Not to mention, they started soldering on storage to the logic board instead of making it removable. Same with RAM. The M1 Macs and beyond are really good, but what steers me away is not being able to upgrade components unless I spend hundreds of dollars for a professional to solder on upgrades. Even then, it voids any warranty, and the failure rate is pretty high. Apple does this so they can upcharge more on upgrades that isn't worth the price they're asking for.
@@recklesstactics4718 the m1 was the worst other than specs
2019 16-inch user here, i got mine back in October of 2023 and i knew his life won't be long but well... we still have bootcamp, glad to see it called the best of Intel, shame to see it sunset.
I'm really curious why someone would, in Oct. 23 buy a four year old intel macbook, when the MX ones are so much more powerful and there literally is no benefit to a four year old one, obviously expect that the price for a used one will be much cheaper.
@@ezikhoyo install windows on it.
@@ezikhoyo Can only speak for myself but I prefer Intel sentimentally, and having not used an Mx much I don't miss anything. And the cost factor is very important to many. Plus the option to dualboot with Windows is also a benefit - Mx only supports virtual ARM Windows, which is not the same as Windows you'd get on a non-Apple computerr.
@@ezikhoyofor bootcamp and the fact that you can get a really good high end spec for around the same price as a used base m1 macbook air, the difference between a used m1 and a new one isnt that big either, so its not really that great of an option for used when you can spend a bit more for new
i bought the same computer in November 2023 - 8 core i9, 32gb memory, 5600m, i actually sold my M2 macbook pro to get it and i'm very happy with it. we also have the new MacOS Sequoia and i am happy to report that it runs great on my macbook. I think we'll be fine for a while.
I buy and sell intel MacBooks which I add SSD's to or update with the OCLP patchers (which work very well) or put Linux on. They ALL work very well and I'm talking 2010 until now. Sure a M series is better but for many if not most users who simply stream movies, browse the web, do basic Photoshop and more they work fine.
The M1 is going for $650 at several big stores. If you are looking to do more intensive Photoshop or movie edits, get one. However for many of us if not most a 'older' intel unit is fantastic.
I love hearing from someone whose job it is to repair and upgrade these. Did it on a small scale in 2021 and thoroughly enjoyed it! Agree with your comment.
Same.
WoYS really should’ve mentioned Linux as an option for the Intel Macbooks, will stretch the life of these devices even further by removing the bloat of macOS. With Linux, you'll be able to use the dual core CPU models for web browsing and document editing for a couple of more years, just like people do on old business laptops. ElementaryOS is the Linux distro that most closely resembles macOS, note that it’s not exactly like macOS so you’ll have to relearn a few things. And it has a reputation for being buggy, don't know if they've fixed it yet.
@@protocetid you’re right. Definitely should have. Will make sure not to forget that next time…
@@montaguebarnabasltd Thankfully I didn’t emphasize elementaryOS too much because I had forgotten how eccentric and controversial it is. For example, it has the minimize and maximize buttons on opposite ends instead of grouped together and no minimize button. And it nudges users into donating for open source software, it’s thoughtful of them to think of the developers who contribute to Linux and apps without getting paid. But it also drives away those who are attracted to open source because it is free or who don’t like being guilted into paying.
These traits could present an inaccurate first impression of Linux to Apple fans, they should start with a more orthodox beginner distro like Linux Mint. Lastly, I don’t own a Macbook so I can’t comment on how well Linux typically works on them. They’ll likely be fine, but hey at least Linux costs nothing to try.
My 2009 17" MacBook died without warning a few weeks ago, it went from working to just not turning on no matter how many smc resets i did, interestingly this week my iPhone X malfunctioned and the screen is totally unresponsive. Of course i bought a replacement 17" MacBook, I love the screen size for watching RUclips and working on documents, I'm running Monterey on it and find it works quite well, it has 8GB RAM and a 2TB SSD and dual boots Windows 10 for my microsoft only softwares. I think it has a few more years left, it's going to be sad when the optical drive macbooks stop working completely because i do use them a lot for burning and ripping CDs and I have found they rip the CDs faster than my windows laptop did.
Similar thing happened to my father’s Mac. Very unlucky turn of events though, sorry to hear!
Yeah can’t get enough of those 17” screens. The matte ones are even better. Hope this one lasts a bit longer!
@@montaguebarnabasltd did that happen to his recently too? Yes mine is the anti-glare screen I like the silver bezel because it matches the entire colour scheme of the MacBook.
gotta consider software support, i feel intel macs will lose support by 2026 at best, so all of them will be useless beyond 2026, there will be no way to patch them, and as time goes on(2027, 2028) even apps will lose support for intel
True. I would imagine it’ll be 2027 for security updates, which makes them useable pretty much until then without patches or workarounds (whatever ends up happening once Intel is no longer supported on Intel).
Thanks for watching!
@@montaguebarnabasltd not gonna lie you’ve got some great content, keep it up man
I'm betting the last Firefox ESR release for Intel macOS will be in 2030 at the very latest, usually the web browsers continue support for a year or two after support from Apple ends, so if Apple's last x86 release is in 2026, that'll give us until 2028 for the last security patch, and probably 2030 for a Firefox ESR or the last Chrome release for it.
Mac will drop them, guess they will be penguin boxes running GNOME at that point.
its a pc, you still will be able to patch it and install newest software no matter the time, 2012-2013 macbooks are powerful enough to handle anything, even more than the most recent windows laptops, so you can still use them 10 and more years until they stop working by hardware issue, and if its not possible to install the newest macos you can still install windows or linux
It would be interesting to see a similar video for imacs!
I consider all "Core 2 Duo" and later Macs usable. Even for the oldest of them (around year 2006-2008), Mac OS 10.7.5 Lion and an up-to-date Chromium Legacy browser are supported. The latest Ubuntu is also usable.
Depends on what you’re using it for. If it’s fine for you then fair enough!
Like I said in the description my video is mainly opinion based lol
I would say everythin intel i-series and beyond.... Core 2 Duos are just slow in 2024, even basic web browsing feels laggy... The fist i5´s etc. are just so much better in comparison
Nine to eleven years is pretty good considering corporate leasing programs rarely exceed four years. My 2009 MBP still works fine for basic functions. My regular machine is a 2018 13” MBP. Works fine for heavier lifting. I also bought the last Intel iMac and loaded it up with memory, and it is a workhorse.
Finally upgrading my 2012 MacBook to m3 air. These laptops feels immortal
I honestly see my 2017 MBA only dying when 8GB of RAM will not be enough anymore for web browsers.
And that's the same year the M1 MBA will die.
I bought the last 16 inch Macbook Pro with the i9 and just 3 months later I bought an M1 Mac mini on launch day, as a hold over until the more powerful M1 Max 16 inch came out. I spent way too much money that year. But I have to say I gave the i9 Macbook to my Mom and it serves all her needs for sure. I'm still on the M1 Max and am holding off until I need a new Machine. LOL
M1 Max chips won’t see anything beat them by much in the next 1-3 years I’d say. You’re looking good.
Glad to hear the i9’s still got a job of sorts!
I absolutely love my early 2015 MacBook Pro 13 inch. Never had an issue. I AM looking forward to eventually buying perhaps an m6 MacBook Pro. Hopefully that one will also carry me at least 10 years.
I was indeed someone who bought a 2015 MBP 15" and never even looked at MacBooks or even other apple products whatsoever until Apple Silicon was released. And even then I didn't ditch the 2015 MBP 15" until 2024. But yeh, I absolutely did not care at all about Apple products from 2016-2024, and I was an iOS and MacOS developer for 3 years from 2017-2020 lol, still didn't care. Didn't need a better machine, the 2015 was too good
It almost makes me sad those times are over. Thanks for watching!
Ditto. The butterfly problem during that period wasn’t even mentioned
Just wanna say that your channel has been an absolute goldmine for looking at refurbished Intel Macs! I’m currently debating between a 2021 16” M1 Pro MacBook Pro (16gb/512ssd) and a 2019 16” MacBook Pro (32gb/1 TB ssd) on Ebay. Both are on auction and more than likely the 2019 will go for the lower price of the two.
As much as the M1 is tempting, I know I’ll regret the 16gb. It’s just so expensive the RAM upgrades with Apple. I plan to use it as a desktop Mac, to test out NLE packages and other video centric software. Not for freelance or work but more of a baseline system to dive deeper into post-production software and testing (I’m a finishing editor at a creative agency by day). So not really too worried about fans kicking in, the Touch Bar or the OS dropped support (OCLP is a thing).
Thanks for watching and commenting! Nice to hear your perspective.
These days I would push people towards M1 machines where at all able, but I do think you’ll get some use out of a 2019. Best of luck with it either way.
The 16” 2019 pro has an ssd problem where sometimes it just randomly dies and it would have to have the logic board replaced
@@superaviation001 Gonna take my chances!
Go M1. There are rumours (I'm not sure how credible) that either Sonoma or one OS release afterwards will be the last intel supported macOS version.
@@darkraven-666 like I said OCLP is a thing. This is not meant to be a long term solution - an M-powered Mac Mini will replace it in the coming years. 2 more years of Sonoma support is more than enough for me 👌🏾
Hi, a 2018 13" base model MacBook Pro owner here. I got it in August of 2018 (my first ever Mac laptop) and since then I’ve been using it quite a lot for almost every single task like video editing, audio machine, graphic design and many other things. Obviously it has the thermal issues, overheating sometimes and the butterfly keyboard (which honestly never gave me any problems), and I have to live with that. I was kinda surprised when I found they will give macOS Sequoia to 2018 models and I also realised 2024 will be the last year they will give support to these machines. Guess I’ll be using it until it dies in my hands.
I have a MBP 2018 15" with a 2.6GHz 6-core Intel i7 and Iris 630 GPU with 16GB RAM. Running Sonoma 14.5 without any problems and waiting for an update to Sequioa. So far no thermal issues, hoping to keep it for some more years! =)
My MBP 2014 and MBA 2014 still ROCK!!! with i7, 16GB and 1TB SSD.. OCL Ventura and Sonoma rock!!!
My 2015 mbp which I had over 4 years is to this day a capable working machine. The fans go crazy, I can't put it on my lap because it will burn me, sometimes it hangs while on load, it has to be permanently plugged to a wall... but I cannot deny that it still gets the job done, one way or the other.
Recently upgraded to an m4 machine, and to say the least scripts that took 4-5 minutes for the 2015 to finish, the m4 machine does in 20 seconds while remaining cool to the touch. Definitely worth the improvement.
I have a macbook pro 2018 and I’m pretty disappointed with it. It has the recognised keyboard issue where some keys double click and it drives me crazy. Also overheats easily. It’s basically a mac mini at this point. On the other side my work laptop is a macbook pro M2 16gb ram and it’s the perfect machine. Just go apple silicon if you need to buy a new mac.
Agree with you. Sounds like you got pretty unlucky though, sorry about that.
I love my late 2013 13'inch MBP, and I don't find the dual core hyper threaded cpu and 8gb to be too slow, it's still the fastest and snappiest laptop I've owned. I was surpised to find it could run games natively pretty decently, but it shined with steam link on the Beautiful Retina 2k screen. Gaming PC + macbook means I didnt have to shell out for a 15 inch, and those are way too heavy and big for me. Even the 13inch is heavy, but not one scratch or dent on it and that's why I chose it over a 15 inch, purely for looks and movie watching, steam link, which works fine :) great netflix machine.
*Watching on a mid 2015 15" MacBook Pro*... Love watching this- thank you! I really do love my Mac. The only reason I would need to get a new one is if this one just didnt function correctly any more- I dont do anything intense these day, just basic browsing and watch copious amounts of youtube!
However, I am concerned that it will no longer receive security updates from around October this year (I think!?). When the time comes, would like to attempt OpenCore, but that makes me nervous and there art any videos demonstrating updating a 2015" MacBook Pro specifically, if that makes sense (I think this machine needs to grab the kdk directly and plug it into the router or something .... edit, just checked and i dont think my machine does. Mine is a MacBookPro11,4) and it just makes me nervous in general!
Thank you so much! Loved this!
Thanks for watching as always!
Patching a 2015 with OpenCore should be pretty straightforward, but not necessary until 2025 I would say. You’ll be fine for a couple of months without the latest security bits. People continue to run Catalina and Big Sur to this day, and they’re half a decade old now.
If it were me, I wouldn’t patch until the end of 2025 if you don’t want to. Choice is yours though.
@@montaguebarnabasltd thank you so much! The whole security thing does concern me, but so does openCore and things possibly going wrong. Guess I will see how I feel and how things go when the time comes . Wonder how safe people really are or feel 🤷♀️ thank you!
@@PaigeEscapesWell M series have a security flaw that cannot be patched.
I would agree with most of it but I think that top spec 2017 15' Macbook pros would last a little bit longer than top spec 2015 15' Macbook pros. Their cpu performance is equal but their graphics are noticeably more powerful with 4GB of VRAM compared to 2GB in the 2015's (2017's score 20700 in geekbench compared to 2015's 13700). Also from what I have noticed they are 3x quieter at max rpm compared to the 2015's (also their touchbar's are not the most practical but amazingly quirky). I get that they lack legacy ports and have butterfly keyboards but I felt like they deserved some notice especially that I've recently have been able to buy a fully spec'd one for just 450$. Compared to about 300$ for a fully optioned 2015 I don't think it is the worst option out there (especially that mine has 2TB of storage).
I think DDR3 holds the 2017s back a bit which a lot of people forget. On the other hand, you’re right about graphics for sure. Perhaps I was a bit harsh! The touchbar is something I do wish we saw a little bit more of over the last few years.
Anyway. Thanks for watching and commenting. Hope you get a good few years out of the computer!
2017's suffer from butterfly keyboard and flexgate. Basically, avoid any MacBook from 2015 12" until 2019 16" models. The A2141 was the first device I would recommend to anyone. Oh, and avoid the USB-C MacBook Airs altogether until M1.
@@PvtAnonymous Well 2015’s have staingate : ). The butterfly keyboards aren’t as big of a flaw as everyone thinks. The one’s on 2016’s & 2017’s are known to have issues (2017’s were improved slightly) but from what I have found out it’s amazingly easy to fix them. The keys are very easy to remove (compared with scissor switches on 2015’s witch are rather time consuming to remove), after wich it is possible to clean the whole area (almost always dirt and grime cause key’s to stick and double-click). 2018’s and 2019’s are much less likely to have any problems with their keyboard’s (apple revised the “butterfly” keyboard in 2018). I guess 🦋 keyboards lack typing feedback (because of lack of key travel) but they feel much more modern (in my opinion having both of these Mac’s) then the 2015’s scissor switches.
my 2010 iMac is running windows 11 as my gaming machine to this day.
bro what are you gaming on that lol n64 emulators
@@ElectronicaAvanzadaPrismaCem roblox and assetto corsa 😂
how about the 2020 Intel MacBook Pro with 4 port Thuderbollt 3?
Still using my (late) 2015 Macbook Air with 8 gb ram. Can’t believe this is the basic option sold almost a decade later. Its about to die from overheat but it had a good run! Excited to upgrade to M3!
I'd suspect a lot of the GPU issues on older Macs are related to the thermal paste applied on manufacture disintegrating after a decade or so of use. Thermal paste starts to fall apart after about 6 years. Other aspect not covered in this video is the various revisions of the butterfly keyboard. In either 2017 or 2018 it was redesigned with a barrier to stop debris falling into the key switches, which had caused all the issues on early versions of the butterfly keyboard. As a boring individual who used to build & sell intel NUC hackintoshes, I'd also like to see more attention paid to speaker quality in MacBook reviews generally. A 2019 16 inch and the earlier 15 inch models (or any 13 inch macbooks) are totally incomparable machines when listening to music or watching movies.
I especially regret not mentioning speakers. 2015 was the year I remember Mac speakers really pulling ahead of the crowd. The 2019 16” was truly special, too.
Thanks for watching, and I appreciate the feedback, which will go towards improving future vids.
it is suspected that the butterfly issues are actually not related to dust but heat. The 2018/19 models had basically the same reliability as before. Knowing how thin these keyboards are (I replaced some), it makes total sense actually.
Got Big Sur running on my white macbook 2010 unibody using opencore. 2.4ghz Core 2 duo with 8gb ram. Works reasonably well for browsing and watching videos. Programs (Chrome, zoom etc...) runs faster if I load everything in ram with tmpdisk.
14:40 you forget to mention that a lot of m1 with 8gb dies because apple decided to share the ram when it gets full with the ssd storage chips. However the SSD lifespan decreased by up to 10x more and that happend on a lot of machines where the ssd storage chips are failing.
I have a 2013 MacBook Air, been using it with mavericks till now with chromium legacy (yes, that’s all u need to make mavericks usable), but I am going to upgrade to the 2013 pro since it will be very usable with OCLP
Sounds good! Yeah no doubt it will be fine. The patcher works wonders
i got a 2019 16 inch pro and im running linux on it, its a gaming beast but i got the 4gb of vram option so that is limiting me a bit. Also really want to upgrade from 16gb of ram to 32gb and upgrade my vram to 8gb but well its apple
My 2013 15" MBPr is still going strong, now serving as my home server in my garage with a couple DAS from OWC holding my Lightroom photo library and and a few other drives holding my home videos and movies.
I am using MacBook Pro Touch Bar edition bought in 2018 February and still using battery is gone using through plug
I do on app MacBook Pro M1, 2 from 2021 but I also have my 2014 MacBook Air which I’ve been using for almost 10 years now and in the battery department it says I need to change them, but I still get like five hours of video playback and I can get almost everything done on that system except developing which I do on my MacBook Pro. Everything else I can get done on my MacBook Air, which is really funny because if you check the RUclips almost everyone writes them off saying that it’s too late or too old. But at least for me it’s working fantastic. I was running the latest then I did reset and I think I am running the last version of MacOS, which had the 32 bit support so I have a lot more app support without losing too much functionality. In my opinion, those MacBook before maybe from 2015 and Earlier did not have big bottlenecks and sturdy construction and I think if you put a little bit of work like disabling the indexing and cleaning up the bin once in a while, you can still use the systems for almost anything except for heavy work loads such as video production and app development.
I have a 2012 mba and you were pretty spot on about how it will last lol, I use it daily on boot camp for work as an engineer even and I can run some heavy projects in autocad with no problem, I'm quite surprised how long it lasted, although from time to time it stops working and randomly comes back to life after a few days lol
Familiar MacBook Air design was introduced in 2010 during their October event. They also showed a sneak peak of Mac App Store and OS X Lion during the same press event. MacBook Air was originally introduced in 2008 as a first MacBook to introduce “unibody” design. But in 2010 design was changed. It no longer had sliding out door for usb port like original MacBook Air in 2008. So since 2010 up until 2018 MacBook Air did had same design. On 2018 MacBook Air was finally updated with retina screen (took them awful long to do that). The same MacBook Air design since 2018 was used for their very first M1 machine (+ at the same event they introduced M1 MacBook Pro 13” although they also still continued to sell intel based MacBook Pro 13” with 4 usb-c ports right along with it)
I am aware of the small changes, but to me because body shape is broadly the same they belong to the same design chapter. I suppose that’s why I’ve always lumped them in together.
You’re absolutely right about the lineage, though, and have a broad knowledge of MacBooks, which is always appreciated here. Thanks for watching!
I have a 2017 Air 13” i7/16gb/512gb. I bought it new in 2018 from their old stock knowing they’ll never make a better laptop again and at least this one is serviceable. It still works 7 years later and has very low battery cycles. I installed 11 over the entire SSD. When I can’t get parts for it anymore, I’ll upgrade to the Framework.
Been binge watching all of your videos. You definitely deserve more subs. Any chance of doing a video on what pre-M1 MacBook is best for Windows gaming?
Thanks a lot! Yeah, good idea… I’ll do one in the next couple of weeks. Early May.
@@montaguebarnabasltd Great to hear! Would be interesting to see some benchmarks. I have an M1 Pro 16 inch MacBook and Parallels can play some things, but it’s very hit or miss.
@@oliverjia1014 unless you get a 32gb version, any M series macbook is useless for gaming, might as well buy a budget gaming laptop, your best option is the 16" 2019 macbook with the 5000m series chip
The 2017 12” MacBook is still the perfect MacBook. So extremely portable, and runs Windows well on Bootcamp. The i5 and i7 models are pretty fast still for basic office tasks and even iMovie. Should last for another two years, until 2026. I hope they release another super portable MacBook by then, they could easily have fitted a 13” screen in that magical tiny chassi.
Still remember my first Mac was 2011 and it dead due to graphic. Still remembered a lawyer from which states I forgotten. He launched lawsuit on Apple. Some got reimbursed some can send to nearest Apple Store to get repaired.
Great content. Subscribed. You deserve way more subs
@@ldope3904 thanks man!
Still rocking a Dell Latitude 5511 hackintoshed as a 2020 Macbook Pro on Sonoma. Good to see there's a couple of years left in the old Intel dog before I have to get a hyper un-upgradable M1.
My 13inch Mid 2009 MBP running a patched MacOS Catalina and running it as my main Student's Laptop, feels great still! and can Multitask
All seems to make sense, my 13' 2012 (1tb SSD +16gb ram) is fine for simple tasks, but recording and editing in the daw stops working after a dozen of tracks and final cut just takes forever to bounce a small video...I don't see it making to 2025 unless just using for browsing
watching this on my 2015 Air as I plan for a new one next year :) great video!
2013 13" Pro Retina 4/128 with blown speaker still running smooth might install linux on it if it keeps slowing(catalina was the best balance between performance and features)
Have the base varient 2019 13 inch MBP and glad to stay its going strong...
I have the 2020 13” mbp with the high wattage i5 and 32gb ram with 512gb. Machine is incredible. Runs bootcamp and honestly never had any desire for any M series just yet.
Maybe an m6
Excellent content
had a 2017 I5 macbook pro, that thing has to ram swap just to open only safari. even when the SSD is barely full
so i changed to M4 macbooks
i had a 2019 13 inch and that thing was always running hot, it was a fire hazard! the space key broke on the keyboard and as tech savvy as i am i had to replace the whole dam top case!! terrible keyboard switches, i couldn't figure out how to replace all 3 mechanisms, so i bought some thermal grizzly paste and when i took it apart to change the top, i cleaned and repasted the gpu and cpu and let me tell you, that thing ran COOL! i couldn't believe the difference!!
They are fully integrated with most iphone features. I can connect this mac to my 2021 M1 Max and split screen and share screens. I can drag content from a 2012 to my 2021 M1 max with ease
my dad still uses his 2008 macbook and is working just fine but my 6yro windows starting to slow down really bad
Only Intel Macs worth using now are the 2012 Unibody MacBook Pros, because they're dirt cheap and upgradable/serviceable, and the 2013-2015 MacBook Pros because they can still offer a decent value for the price.
I'd avoid everything Intel from 2016 until 2020, they're not worth the time because they're not cheap enough, have shit-tier keyboards, the 2016-2018 ones are on the same performance level as the 2012-2015 Macs, and the 2018/2019 15" & 16" ones that are faster have such bad thermals they'll die an early death anyway, and they'll still be beat by a base M1 in most tasks.
Aside from the 2012-2015 MacBook Pros which can offer a good value, I would just skip straight to an M1 or later since these seem to be the second coming of the golden era of MacBooks, especially the original M1 versions. The M1s were the last MacBooks that did not use serialized parts and can still be repaired fairly easily. Starting with the new 14" & 16" M1 Pro/Max models most of the parts are tied to the SoC they were shipped with, so swapping parts like screens and whatnot will cause you to have missing features and general weirdness due to it not being serviced by Apple. I'm actually using a 14" M1 Pro right now and if it dies outside of my warranty period (which ends in July 2025), I will not be buying another Mac even though I love this one a lot, it's not feasible to repair the M1 Pro/Max & M2/M3 machines out of warranty.
Don’t have too much to say in reply, but I share your opinion almost entirely. Sounds like you might do a better job of running this channel than me lol.
@@montaguebarnabasltd haha lol, you wouldn't say that if you've seen the hour and a half long review i did of my own MacBook Pro on my channel.
2013 macbook pros are the best option to buy for regular use or a 2012 retina
I'd love to see a desktop version of this! I have a 2014 Mac mini and am still using it as a secondary machine to do long-term projects alongside my M1 Pro 16"
Honestly I’ll think about that. Nice machine and thanks for watching!
@@montaguebarnabasltd Of course! It probably wouldn't get you as many views, but I'd be very interested to see it
Yep, same. Been thinking about whether a 2018 Mac Mini a solid choice since it's the latest (hopefully latest, not last) model where it's possible to add some more RAM.
@@regentregent1905 the problem I have is that I sold MacBooks for a while, but never Mac desktops.
I’d have to do a lot of background research for the video, so it would take up a lot of time with no guarantee people would be interested lol.
Anyway, I would recommend an M1 Mac Mini, to be honest. They’re down to about £350/$450, which is insane price to performance. Also you won’t miss the extra RAM, I can almost promise you.
@@regentregent1905 A nice thing about the 2018 Mac mini is that it runs macOS Mojave very smoothly, since that's the version it came with. And that is also the last version to support 32-bit apps. That's why I still have my 2014, so that I can keep playing my favorite game.
But I did actually try out a 2018 Mac mini, and it just runs so hot that it was kind of concerning me. The fans weren't quite as noticeable as the 2014, but the heat output was something I couldn't really deal with, so I ended up just keeping the 2014 Mac mini with 8GB RAM and Intel Iris graphics. It works really well on OS X Yosemite and El Capitan, but starts to drop performance a bit up to Mojave, and a lot more starting with Catalina. But maybe if you have an SSD in it, it'll run more smoothly
Great video!
I am having early 2008 macbook running snow leopard i don't use it and i upgrade to macbook pro 2012 both are 13 inch as you said sonoma will be it last update for 2012 model so we can have up to 2026 security updates only.
The 2012 unibody Macbooks had SERIOUS problems with logic boards as well as screen burn in on certain versions of the screen. They sold two versions: One with a Samsung display and one with the LG display. If you were unlucky enough to get one with the LG display, it would be seriously prone to screen burn in. I'm not sure if both versions had logic board issues or only the LG versions but you couldn't choose which model you got, it was just a 50/50 chance.
@@Spladoinkal in all the time I’ve worked with MacBooks, I’ve never heard anyone say 2012 Unibodies have serious logic board problems.
As far as the display thing goes, I’ve owned 10+ of those and never seen burn in, but it’s definitely possible! Thankfully screens are dirt cheap for them now, so very reasonable to replace.
cries in 2009 iMac that just gave up recently… I’ve unlived it w/ Sonoma😭 that poor thing was like that’s it I’ve had enough of this oclp bs-I want some rest!😭😭
I am dual-booting Linux and macOS 12 on my MacBook Air 7,2 and so far Linux runs like a DREAM on it
Do a video on surface laptopa in the same format.
I like that idea a lot. I don’t own any Surfaces, though… that’s a video for when my budget is a bit higher I think!
Thank you for making this video.
I'm still holding onto my water damaged 2014 Macbook pro.
It doesn't work. I have to get it fixed. I miss that machine....
I am still using my 2014 macbook Air
I use a 2009 white plastic Macbook for day to day web browsing etc. Its patched to run macOS Sonoma, has an SSD and 6GB RAM. Runs fine. Not fast, but for basic tasks it's fine.
how to update to Sonoma
@@neloxcampo8140 I’ll be doing a video in the next few weeks. Too many requests to ignore.
@@neloxcampo8140Use OpenCore Legacy Patcher.
@@neloxcampo8140 Use OpenCore Legacy Patcher. Strangely it runs better on my plastic MacBook than my 2010 i7 Pro.
I would argue that the 2011 MacBook Pro was still very upgradeable. I had 512gb SSD and 16gb of RAM installed since 2015 and it is still plenty quick for moderate tasks. My daily, until I get an M chip MBP, is a 2018 and the 2011 can keep up with 90% of normal workloads.
im currently using a mid 2014 macbook pro 13 inch and its actually awesome
I'm glad my 2015 15" MBP still has good things to talk about.
Forgot to mention teh speakers, just want to add that the speakers in M1 air is... something. I mean its crystal clear but the low bass are so low i need an eq to balance it out and it would still sound inferior compared to MacBook pros.
Good point. I often forget that. Yeah my M1 air impresses me every day. The 16” models are crazy though
Intel macbooks are definetly quite a weird thing, I have an macbook air 2017 with 8 gigs of ram and an 128gb ssd, sadly it died on me last month (it won’t boot on, some call it the black screen of death) and I sadly can’t play most of the old save files I have on games there (especially gzdoom), for now I sadly have that macbook air just siitting on my shelf (it’s the only pc I have sadly)
They do behave strangely. Sorry to hear about your machine
Thanks for the heads up. I’ll have to make a backup of my stuff.
@@markm0000 always make backup, good thing I saved my photos to an external usb so not all is lost thankfully
Great video!!!
My mid-2019 15-inch MacBook Pro with an 8 Core i9 processor is still going strong. I replaced it last year with a 14-inch M2 Max MacBook Pro. Comparing the two Macs, their performance on most tasks is comparable. The M2 Max is a lot more powerful, but the Core i9 can still handle graphics and processor heavy tasks very well. If I had not bought the M2 Max MacBook Pro last year, I would still be OK. Maybe Apple will stop supporting my Intel MacBook Pro when they release the next macOS this year. I have renewed the AppleCare on it twice so it's still under warranty.
i use a 13inch 2012 mac book pro running mac os ventura and windows 10 with a 500gb ssd, this is my first mac book pro. i am 14 by the way so i think it will last for a long time to come even if in the future i just use it as a windows 10 machine. the only downside is that the battery has 460 cycles.
As a 2019 Air user....this hit hard with the Sequoia update. Not even 5 years. Open Core will help since the 2020 intel got it but that's probably the last hoorah for anything intel. Its a shame really...but we knew it was coming and frankly Ill go M2 Mini next
i have a 2009 macbook pro 13" and its only really good for doing legacy things which is why i got it. even though it has alot of support with opencore legacy i installed big sur just to see how it would be. aside from basic web browsing its almost unusable because half of the CPU alone is being used to just render the desktop. not only that it gets hot quick even with the fans at max speed. so yeah dont recommend a 2009 unless you need something cheap that can run mountain lion
This video needs an update, Mac OS Sequoia was a very underwhelming update and luckily it has had one of the least losses in terms of support for MacBooks, only the MacBook Air 2018/2019 were dropped.
13:35 nice m1 air for the 2019 shot
Thank you
@ they look so similar that it doesn’t matter
My 2011 15 inch MBP is still chugging along, GPU still without a glitch! I guess I just got super lucky, or I managed to use it without overheating it...😅
I’m sure it’s a combination of factors. Enjoy it!
I just bought an m3 macbook and I'm a video editor. I had the 2015 macbook pro up until now and I can say without a doubt that it could not keep up with my workloads whatsoever. Still a good laptop overall though.
@@sith6375 hard use case I suppose… still, I don’t disagree with you.
As you note, speculation. And as that, it is a fun cruise through some of the Mac lineup.
Brother I’m planning on getting the last intel, (2020 mackbook pro 32gb ram/ 512 or 1tb ssd, i want to buy because of the intel so i can run the windows os on that, planning of using it for 3 years and later switch to a high performance Microsoft laptop, I currently use the surface book 3 which i bought immediately it came out, but it’s running so slow when I’m multitasking,, i think the mac pro 2020 will be cool, i do not like mac os that much, or you suggest i get the m2 or m3 mac
I’ve gotta suggest the M1 Pro or M2. It’s really a lot better than any Intel Mac, and will last you at least 5 years.
@@montaguebarnabasltd i think so, but here’s the thing, i don’t like mac os, i prefer to run windows on the 2020 intel with high specs, 32gb i7, i think it’ll work best, and hey all he said in this video is true but, i know people using 2013 intel MacBook with just 8gb run but still works perfectly, i don’t think the 2020 macs wouldn’t last for another 10 years
@@SaylessFX why don't you just purchase a windows laptop?? i don't see the point of buying a mac just to run windows on it
@@Swahili1 because windows laptops sucks in the long run, hardware components, the mac has better hardware than any windows laptop
@@SaylessFX Get a Framework laptop instead lol, Macbooks have had some abysmal hardware defects over the years and Apple's repair costs are insane. Framework is widely praised and has high quality, easily replaceable components. Typing this on my 2020 Macbook Pro 13
Are you saying that air 2017 will last longer than air 2018? Because right now i’m thinking about buying one of them. Thanks for the video! :)
I think they are about equal in how good they are. Since the 2017 is cheaper though, I push people towards that one because it’ll get you further for cheaper if that makes sense…
Going to buy 2019 mbp 16 inch i9.confused if i should take 16 or 64 gb ram.i want to use it for normal daily tasks,video editing,using bootcamp windows mainly for gaming like gta,valorant,lol,minecraft etc., what ram option would you recommend?
Highly suggest you go with at least M1. Intel architecture support will soon be discontinued by Apple. With the M1, you are much more likely to stay longer "in the game".
Thanks for the advice mate but I want bootcamp windows so badly for little to moderate gaming.sadly can’t go for m1 for that reason
I was in the same situation as you at the start of 2023. Bought a 2019 16 inch and regretted it. Managed to sell it for the same price I paid. Never looked back.
If gaming is important to you, build a PC for a few hundred bucks. If gaming on your main laptop is important to you, get a top spec 2015. Nothing merits getting one of these right now unfortunately, as the other guy said it’s a soon to be lost relic.
@@montaguebarnabasltdby saying top spec 2015 which model do you mean ? Can you say it clearly pls!
@@vikasvicky7880 yes, I mean a 2.8Ghz 2015 15” with R9 M370X graphics.
Storage is whatever you’re comfortable with, but they’re upgradeable so don’t spend too much on getting the right size first time.
Great video! Intel mac's are unfortunately on the countdown the day M1 was announced. Looking forward to more videos!
Thanks for watching! Just checked out your channel, and we certainly occupy a similar niche ;)
Which one is better? Air 2015 or 2017? What do you think? With the same 8gb ram / ssd 128gb 👍 thanks in advance, your content is so great since the timeline is really easy to understand 🙌
Hey really appreciate the comment man!
I’d go for the 2015. There’s no big improvements in the 2017, so save some money
Thank you for your suggestion 👍
My 2017 Air just died, still 8 years is not bad.
I'm thinking of getting a Mac Mini 2018 for 250. Worth it?
GBP? Yes. USD? Nah not exactly. That’s my take anyway.
@@montaguebarnabasltd yep. Its the i3 model with 16gb/ 128gb so even worse lol
Great video.
I had a '19 base model Pro and it was a damn oven... 1400€ msrp
Fun fact: The non-touch bar MacBook Pro of 2017 can have it's SSD upgraded!
I run an i5 2012 unibody 13 inch macbook pro on windows 10, with an ssd and at least 8Gb of ram. The laptop is HELLA zippy, i'm even confident to get windows 11 on it once theres enough optimisations! Amazing buy, feels like it will last another 10 years.
Watchinh it with my i7 2011 mbp pro (ps: the gpu is working fine. No problem at all). It comes with dual graphics. If the main dies...you have the intel integrates to expand the lifetime of the machine. It is one of the best.
Your estimate on the 15” 2015 is extremely generous/ incorrect.
@@dynamic75 it’s not an objective list with correct and incorrect answers. If you disagree that’s fair enough, though.
Picked up a 2014 retina macbook pro 13 for $80 with nothing wrong except for the dreaded red light of death which renders the speakers useless. It works beautifully for school work and watching videos.
2019 16" user here, guess this machine will last until 2026
LAMO
I have a 2015 11-inch MacBook Air with 4GB of DDR3, and a 2.7GHz Core i5. It's not bad, but I really want a brand new M3 Pro MacBook Pro.
The switch to Intel CPUs made me buy my first Apple Laptop in the late 2000s.
Several Apple-specifics made me return to Windows.
Just to return to an M1 macbook air in 2021. That CPU was a real game-changer. I would even buy a recent mac mini, they are amazing value for the money. But I just don't need it, it actually makes me sad....
Yeah it’s like consumer computers and phones have plateaued, and we don’t need anything more for basic tasks nowadays.
Hi, thanks for your useful comments! A neighbour of mine is selling a Macbook Pro 13" from 2011, High Sierra 10.13.6, Intel HD 3000 512Mb, 2.3Ghz Intel Core i5, 16GB 1600 MHz DDR3. Selling for 150€ (the battery needs replacing). I'm thinking of buying a cheap computer for the kids, to start learning to type and do research on Internet. I'd like it to last for a few years. Do you reckon this would be a good buy? thanks so much for your help!
I also see it has a 320GB sata disc, but with only 20.99Gb left (is that because the OS takes up much space maybe?) and it has a bump to the side the touchpad, which doesn't affect its use, he says.
Hey, thanks for watching!
To be honest, €150 can probably buy a 2012 or 2013 machine. Those are significantly better than the 2011. I think your neighbour might not realise his laptop isn’t worth that much. Have a look on eBay, I would say. My mother uses a 2013 MacBook Pro every day, and it’s still a very decent computer.
Hope this helps
@@montaguebarnabasltd 💙 thanks for taking your time to answer, very appreciated!
Made me grin to see a clip of my 2016 MacBook Pro video in there!! Awesome content; I thoroughly enjoyed this video and think you have a definite knack for understanding these Macs.
I just had a 2016 Pro 13” and was running Sonoma with OpenCore on it; and it was a pain with the base 2.0GHz cpu and 8GB RAM. I needed to wait a couple of minutes after boot up for it to be truly useable; and that wasn’t fun. I think these MacBooks run a lot better when they’re running the OS Apple officially supports; which makes sense.
Thanks again for the great vid!
Hey, thanks for watching, and glad you enjoyed! Really appreciate the lovely comment. Took an interest in computers in 2020 and the ball kept rolling lol.
Hope you don’t mind the fact that I used your video!
Yeah I think especially on the dual core 13” machines it’s best to leave them unpatched.
@@montaguebarnabasltd Absolutely! It made me so happy to see my content being used somewhere!
And excellent point; I've seen that my quad core 2015 and 2016 Pros that I've owned have managed Sonoma a lot better. Puts the 2018 MacBook Pro in a good spot if it wasn't for the butterfly keyboard that I simply cannot recommend :/
@@zircoben lovely to hear!
Yeah the only Intel MacBooks I recommend are 2015 or older at this point. Bit weird but that’s the way it goes.
@@montaguebarnabasltd agreed! Especially with the dying SSDs in the 2019 16" - and the fact that anything not butterfly is way too close in price to the M1 air. Lol. Enough said. Thanks for making great content bro, I subbed.
I would like to try using a macbook, but I already have an EliteBook 840G5 with more i/o, which I don’t really want to sell. But can’t justify spending a lot of money for the comparable performance with 840g5.
What a fucking “first world” problem)))