Love how the vampire counts are like the mafia of the Empire. "We don't support the goverment, but if someone else come and mess with our town we'll give them hell!"
Love this video, but man, simply writing away how the Elven fleet was defeated rather than show incompetence or otherworldly assistance, really shows the level of writing in the End Times.
Even worse, when it is stated, that they are masters of sea battles and then proceeds to make them do beginner mistakes, at the level of sending your cavalry head first into a massive undead horde, during the night, with absolutely no vision and no support. They tell us that they are good, but show us that they are bad, in order to make the opponent seem better, is such a terrible way of telling a story.
I agree what awful GW writing. The Elven fleet a super fast well coordinated group got surrounded by a bunch of chaos rotting ships and long boats. Then a well built dwarf wall, which would had wards, gets defeated by some algae, really!!! Ow and forget the thousands of human troops that guard the city supported by cannons and magic. GW what have you done?
@@sfp2290 This has been television too (much of U.S. television since so much gets made there anyway). I've noticed it going on for almost 20 years & I don't even watch a lot of television. But yes I don't get this Warhammer world in general, even 40k has a bit too much funk at times... but this end times stuff is just ridiculous.
@@hoabinhnguyen8839 welll they forgot massive parts of the backstory of several characters, randomly revived comparably unimportant characters and forgot to revive Nagash most important servant, Wsoran the architect who is literally the father of all vampires (who was actually partially still alive). They also forgot the entire necrarch bloodline, which is weird as its the only one that remained loyal to Nagash and the most powerful of the 5.
@@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547 Perhaps because they couldn't figure out how to make Chaos win in that case. Undead are essentially the counter to chaos, unable to be corrupted, able to keep up attrition wise and can easily be massed in large enough numbers to fight. Basically had they done it they would've likely implemented some Deus ex making the story even shittier than the current version, which is no small feat.
@@blitcut9712 erll they gave nagash other super OP new Deus ex machina shit while ignoring the several forces that were actually preparing for his return
I mean. It was always a forgone conclusion. Chaos was always going to win. The "good" God's barely ever interfere on behalf of their believers, while the Ruinous Power alwaaaaays do. The only thing that held them off was that they were too busy fighting each other. Throw Archaon into that mix, plus the skaven attacks the Empire stupidly tried to make hush hush, and it would have been a ridiculous event if they HADN'T lost.
@apollyon23456 chaos definitely is supposed to win. That's the entire point of the end times. It's the way they do it that's dumb. It's not Chaos being clever. It's Chaos having unlimited numbers, and the defenders being morons
A lot of these ideas sound cool in theory but man it seems like Chaos is just overpowered. If a single Nurgle lord and his fleet could destroy two of the greatest port cities in the Old World pretty much by himself, how did Chaos not win beforehand? Why is it that so far almost every victory or near victory has only been possible because a vampire showed up and decided to help the humans?
Officially, the old world only lasted as long as it did because it was amusing for the Chaos gods to do so. Any one of them could have splattered the entire world by themselves without much effort but the long conflict was more fun for them. They've apparently been doing this over and over again for eons. Letting a few spirits and minor gods flee the blown-up world and build a new world only for Chaos to find them again and start the entire dance again. Everything before was a cat pawing at a dying mouse, now the cat has it's paw on the mouse and only has to press just a little bit to kill it. The four were bored and wanted to blow it up and see what few survivors built this time. Of course this is ****** stupid and I don't consider it canon.
Because the company making Warhammer fantasy was losing money with it, so they axed and told the writers to contrive a story were chaos wins in the end anyway.
@@brianboru2762 GW be like "Yeah fuck whatever rhyme or reason to give the setting a proper believable sendoff, Chaos was super duper invincible from the start anyways because yes, and good guy facilitate the already inevitable Chaos victory by acting out of chacter-ly braindead. Ulthuan, the Empire and Nehekhara all goes to shit within a week because Chaos 2strong4u. Nothin personnel kiddo, now go buy some Sigmarines"
They wanted to end fantasy. Little did they realise it was the best IP they had. The only thing they have that is close is 30k warhammer fantasy id peak table top an fantasy game.
@@guilliman1990 yeah the reason the IP sold so badly is because the rule and model quality and balance was terrible. It cost thousands of pounds to get into the game properly (not even kidding) and then you’d get your army wiped if you didn’t use the few meta things that worked.
@@theawesomeman9821 The video is awesome: the problem was the original publication: warhmamer fantasy was selling poorly, so they decided to end it with the event, and it shows, because the plot bends and contrives constantly around ways for chaos to randomly win, contradicting established lore and characters. As a casual myself, I also enjoyed this series a lot, but for hardcore fans it s understandable why they hate it (I recommend pancreasnowork video on the end times to see what happened).
The funniest part of the end time is that it was so rushed that they actively reconed stuff in each book with the most stupid one being between Karl and sigmar
It literally is. The writer assigned to this project, according to an interview, was pretty much a Chaos fanboy who "hated how overpowered Order faction were" (quote)
These end times battles aren't even really fights, they're all one-sided slaughters of anything that isn't chaos. Bit hard to keep any tension in a story with no stakes
Ikr, walls disappearing, ancient era ship with plot armor so thick it'd make Jon Snow blush, terrorgeist zapped out of existence and the city defenders moronically abandoning any defensive fortifications because a dude died.
This all feels just a bit too much. Undefeatable evil champions, surprise vampire lord, magic dragon, roaming plague etc. Then just a bunch of humans with swords and muskets.
The funny thing is thing is that tjr oppsite was alway the complaint in warhammer fantasy, that the empire was individually so powerful that it was explicitly stated that none of the bad guy factions in the setting could feasible threaten it in a 1v1. Turns out having a modernizing early industrial state with an army that’s at least a million strong and armed with 17th to mid 18th century guns is quite scary
The humans with swords and muskets usually kick a lot of ass, that’s the whole point of the damn setting. Normal men prevailing against unspeakable horrors, with nothing but faith, steel, and gunpowder.
I think a video on the Lizardmen fighting chaos and skaven would provide relief to the viewers who think the forces of good never stood a chance. The Lizardmen were absolute chads and bought time for the elves to create the vortex.
I always wonder what the End Times writers were thinking when the wrote the series, if they even were at all. As always Wizards and Warriors has made an excellent video, but it would be even better if the End Times writers actually thought about what they were writing. I'm so glad this isn't canon
It wasn´t completely their fault: GW had already decided to shut down fantasy because it wasnt making money, so they problably already told the the writers they had to destroy the setting in a single storyline.
"I always wonder what the End Times writers were thinking when the wrote the series" Man, the fans are gonging to love Age of Sigmar and the Sigmarines!
What always bugged me about Norscans. They seemingly spawn massive raiding fleets out of nowhere. While they live in what is essentially Greenland with Australian wildlife on cocaine. I wont even touch on the matter of "Viking longboat" vs Man-o-War with cannons. The Longboat would not be even able to board the bigger ship because it literally assaulting a castle at sea. Not to mention the matter of "Suddenly there were hundreds of thousands of naked Norscans" Brother in Sigmar they would die of hypotermia and hunger while assembling, not to mention the mere fact that such a population would require milions of "Civilians" in the background who would also need to eat and be clothed in a area not known for agriculture.
Ah, the End Times. Otherwise known as "Everyone has already bought the old campaign setting so we need to invent a new one for them to give us money for".
Is it just me, or does Chaos seem a little OP? An entire elven armada: lost The Empire's largest fleet: sunk Impregnable walls of Marienburg: crumbled Human defenders: slaughtered Vampire counterattack: repulsed Human reinforcements: crushed
The fall of Marienburg was honestly one of the worst written parts of the endtimes. The fleet of the Sea Elves? One of the most powerful navies in the world, backed by their great mages and whatnot? Oh yeah they just uh... lost. How? Pffft like we'd write something good for that. Oh and the incredibly number of forts that line the river Reik? Pffft who cares about those.
I think halo might be a pretty fun series for y'all to go through. Even outside of the main games there's so many battles from the human-covenant war and prior that have background information and at least some basic tactics being used. Unit numbers are usually simple enough to find too. Love the channel and keep kicking ass!
The old "Man O War" series was Warhammer naval battles. It was fleets of miniature ships and later there was an online game. Pretty cool idea. Empire, Dwarf, Green skins, Dark Elf ships, spells, sea monsters, sea forts, etc. were all covered.
Man Chaos plays like a 10 year old, oh you have a dwarves built sea wall? Surely you meant to say HAD. Are your superior canons destroying my ships? Of corse not, they deal no damage!
The more I learn about warhammer fantasy lore and the more I am disappointed with how shallow the games are ... WHY CAN'T MY GHOST PHASE THRU BUILDINGS AND WALLS. WHERE ARE THE EPIC MAPS
@@JD-bk4zi honestly they did a good job getting what they have done fantasy is straight up 2 big to do properly. Just the old world is 3 games worth what we have is going to have to be good enough
The worst part about that elven fleet is that they didnt need to be there, there was a War ocurring in Ulthuan at the moment, instead of saying for the 10th time that Chaos won the battle why not say that since there was no elven fleet the Glottkin could arrive to Marienburg without losing any ship?
@@18Krieger a shitty way to do it in my opinion, a lot of elves live in Marienburg, why not show that a significant part of the defenses of Marienburg are elves?
@@malekiththeeternityking5433 because well there are several fleets there more powerfull then the elven fleet. The dwarven fleet st Barrack Varr exists for the sole purpose to stop a naval chaos or elven invasion of their imperial Allie’s and the dwarfs are 100% certain they can best either with it (they have insanse ironclad battleships with runic naval batteries that could give a WW1 battleship a run for its money ) and two seperate imperial navies, which are both large and powerful by now, the marienburg navy and the Bretonia navy as Well
4:32 "Having cleverly outmaneuvered" lol he really does try to soften the order armies throwing themselves on the chaos swords to progress the end times
Absolutely putting Vlad von Carstein in charge might have very well saved the Empire - he, unlike many of his kind, actually wanted to save the Empire as it was and was happy now with just being recognised as Elector Count of Sylvannia. I hated that they made Isabella his achilles heel. Yes they just wanted to end the world so they could create a new one and screw us all for more money buying new models and army books. The forces of Order never stood a real chance.
@@davidwhitfield6025 Exactly man,exactly. And you know,under normal conditions,the this same Chaos invasion would have been repelled. But...writing like Gazghul not giving the final blow to Archeon and leaving just like that? Even for an Ork Warboss that's ridiculous.
@@Tsagia I wasn't going to spoil that absolute stupidity (it was Grimgor actually). Also even if this happened Archaon should have been immediately dropped by the Chaos Gods as no longer being worthy. Who follows a Chaos War Leader who isn't even worth being killed by an Ork?! There are a lot more. Thorgrim, Teclis' decision, Nagash, Settra and the Blood Dragon Grand Master. The whole thing makes my blood boil decades latter.
Really great video!!! Appreciate your hard work a lot! For me the writers who did the end times seemed they were in a hurry, no one stood a chance against chaos, even though the human race of man had really strong and skilled full leaders and they were just slaughterd like butter
Can you do lore documentaries on the Klendathu assault or any of the battles that happened in the Starship Troopers films or from the old 3d animated TV series?
@@Emanon... How dare you! It may not have any answers to some of the questions we have but it’s still a good read and deserves to have a series about it on this channel!
The end times are a bit weird. Warhammer fantasy was lagging in sales behind 40k so GW overhauled the game and wrote the End Times as the story behind it. But because of the quality of writing, many fans reject this as non canon.
@@BulletBill64 And because also...Sigmarines and the trash world they made after destroying GW. They put so much emphasis on 40k that they eventually had newer generations go that way instead of the high fantasy one.
@@theawesomeman9821 A lot of legendary lords were forgotten about, some major factions were written off in a few sentences, Orks just went away to Cathay for reasons, Malekith was the true Phoenix king all along, just didnt stay in the fire long enough,...
Another victory for the Forces of Chaos in a series where Chaos basically wins. One problem with the End Times is that one of the factors that enables Chaos to win is the endless numbers of its troops. The Norscan invasion here is basically endless in the number of warriors it can field, overwhelming the city’s mortal defenders with not only plague but vast hordes of barbarians. The Elven fleet of Finubar the Seafarer emerges from the mist to attack the Plague Fleet rather than being enveloped by mist and are driven off by Gutrot Spume’s conjured smoke tentacles that suffocate the Elven crew and the thrashing limbs of whatever resides in Spume’s ship, Rotten Beast. Spume does not partake in the Battle of Marienburg but departs for Nordland to travel along the Old Dwarf Road to Altdorf. It is not well explained in this video but the Dwarf-built sea wall is brought down when the Glottkin have one of the plague urns given to them by Archaon (who in turn received three of them from Ku’Gath) hurled via catapult around the sea wall which unleashes a moss that supernaturally grows quickly and destabilizes the sea wall greatly. This moss would later grow down the length of the River Reik. The Marienburg soldiery flees when it becomes revealed that their enemy brings plague and Mundvard’s undead erupt from within the city, not out in the marshes. The Suiddock Beast threatens to cut off Norscan reinforcements from the boats with it being perched on the Greenwolf and Mundvard himself does not ride the Suiddock Beast but remains in the outskirt marshes near the docks, which is where the Glottkin fight him (Ghurk throws him in the sea after Otto pins the vampire in place by piercing his neck with his scythe). The Reikland Irregulars meet the Glottkin and their army outside of Marienburg and are able to push back the Chaos army with their discipline but with the unnatural moss and gore on the ground the Empire army suffers uneven footing and their formation breaks up, allowing the Norscans to beat them in the chaotic close combat they so love.
Other things you can look into are 1 Marion Zimmer Bradley's "Darkover" series from the 1960's to the 1980's 2. THE DYING EARTH. A science fantasy based on the 1951 Novel of the same name by Jack Vance. The data and chronology of which can be found in Wikipedia Two sci-fan by acclaimed Michael Moorecock 1Count Brass/Dorian Hawkmoon soties, featuring the tetrology JEWEL IN THE SKILL' 2. THE DANCERS AT THE END OF TIME series featuring AN ALIEN HEAT, Like THE DYING EARTH, this is an end-of-time scenario You mighht also do the SCP universe; a combination of Asimov, Kafka, Lovecraft and Man From UNCLE. This is spawning films and video games as well as stories and articles, involving very uniqpe things like "cognito hazards" and "info-hazards" which can kill a person just by knowing certain things. It is a world populated by interesting persons, groups and other things. I reccommend to begin with SCP-093: the Red Sea Objecti as related in THE EXPLORING series. Other names to RUclips up; The Volgun, SCP Illustrated and Dr. Cimmerian as well as The SCP items in THE EXPLORING SIERIES. In fact, they Exploring Series is very very good in it's own right, having examined Lovecraft, Final Fantasy and the Mabinogeon, from which came Fleetwood-Mac's RHIANNON
i was convinced the vampire lord saved the day and we might have had a little push back then that reinforcement had to go along and get a big head rip!
Love you videos. I watch them over and over again. Whenever i work out and get on the bike its the highlight of it. Was wondering if you could do dragon age battles if possible?
Chaos was always more interesting as a corruptible force than a horde of black knights who worship demons. The Reiksguard novel comes to mind as illustrating the political and personal havok that Chaos causes.
Watching the alternate history video from you previous channel makes me want an alternate End Times history instead. If only the writing of End Times was as good as this channel!
I imagine that I somehow teleport heroes and armies from specific high fantasy worlds to help fight back the Chaos,because if that happens here,then all other worlds "might fall". For example,imagine the brotherly Warcraft universe sending a huge force of Alliance and Horde expeditionary forces. Geralt,Triss,Ciri and their friends with a few thousand Nilfgaardian soldiers. Drizzt and his friends from the Forgotten Realms. Even Gandalf,Aragorn and Faramir leading a force of Gondorian knights and infantry,Rohirim,Rangers and elite elven archers. I know,it's nonsense...but having an unstoppable Chaos army that defeats everything,that's also ridiculous.
@@humanrager I loved the Fall of Altdorf. It's one of my favorite fantasy books,the author (I think it was Chris Wright?) is great. But when you know that no matter all the bravery and effort,the Chaos will win no matter what...you get depressed.
@@Tsagia which just looking at the setting just doesn’t make sense. Militarily the empire is far superior to the mortal forces of chaos and the reason chaos has any chance of winning is by dividing the empire through its cults and weakening it through infighting.
"and then the vampire lord experienced in being slippery and escaping stood there and just dodged instead of running away" "and then the competent commander just let his army run straight into a death trap because he was happy" guhhhhhhhh
After reading all of the Gotrek and Felix books i can't wait for them to join the storie even tho i know anything involved with the end times is a bit of a L
Seems that the company just gave up on this part of their business maybe it was not making enough money, so they wanted to get rid of it to concentrate on the 40k money pot.
Teclis undoes the vortex at the center of Ulthuan which allows him to bind the winds of magic to a specific individual aka the incarnates but it sank the entire island of Ulthuan allowed Slannesh to absorb thousands of elven souls thereby increasing his/her power and without the vortex impeding the winds of magic it allowed chaos to send as many of their forces as they wanted.
@@seanallerdings8147 Seems like rather a short sighted action by one so allegedly wise and powerful. I didn't know this before, my knowledge of Warhammer lore is patchy, and only started soon after buying the Warhammer total war series.
@@tomosjackson4760 yeah, there's quite a lot of things with the end times that logically don't make a lot of sense and especially with certain character's actions and motivations. To use Teclis as an example a lot of what he does in the end times in any other form of media would make him an outright villain which is the exact opposite of what he is.
@@seanallerdings8147 Well to be fair to Teclis, I've always seen him as cold and calculating. Throw in desperate and I can see him cracking open the Vortex. I liked the idea of Tyrion picking up the Sword of Khaine, much as his ancestor Aenarion did when things got bad and having Teclis and Malekith team up to bring him to his senses. Again I don't have a great deal of context, and my knowledge is patchy. Idk. I just think that Teclis could have made an interesting character when you mash his personality with the role of Gandalf. He doesn't seem the kind of guy who works well with people (Though I loved his team up with Gotrek and Felix) so having him be the one who has to pull all the forces of Order together to resist chaos seems like a really interesting arc to explore.
@@tomosjackson4760 It would have been if Games Workshop actually went that route. As for cold and calculating let me think besides the other things during the end times he allowed his niece who was the illegitimate child of Tyrion and Alarielle to be kidnapped by Arkhan and later sacrificed so that Nagash could be resurrected. He also stole the flame of Ulric from Middenheim which led to not only the actual death of Ulric but allowed Middenheim to fall to Chaos because the flame was the only thing helping the besieged defenders out. Teclis actually is a great character in most of the lore but in the End Times Games Workshop made him a bastard.
never read warhammer except for Heldenhammer, but compared, the end times seem to be off. As if it had to be done quickly. Disappointed tbh. Great work on the video! As always, you guys are a beacon of quality content.
So, elven sea masters suck, and big dwarf wall dies to insta magic which the elves would've had, and then the vampire counts come in again and beat the chaos warrior with undead? The elite chaos warriors that did all that stuff and easily took the city? The ones that don't fear death because of their immense tankiness and the ability to like just respawn?????
These videos are always great, but you can tell just how desperately GW was trying to dump the hemorrhaging carcass of Fantasy with how rushed all this writing seemed to be...
I've been just mindlessly enjoying these so far, but it really becomes apparent how stale the End Times are when the writing goes to "picked him up and threw him out of the city." How did he catch him to begin with?! It's freaking hilarious but HUHH?? Anyways, switching my mind off.
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This was a nice. But when are we going to get another Sci-Fi video from this channel.
What happened to gut rot spume when his ship was sunk?
Love how the vampire counts are like the mafia of the Empire. "We don't support the goverment, but if someone else come and mess with our town we'll give them hell!"
It’s even more ironic when you consider that the government enforces religion that labels the vampires as “unholy”.
Love this video, but man, simply writing away how the Elven fleet was defeated rather than show incompetence or otherworldly assistance, really shows the level of writing in the End Times.
Even worse, when it is stated, that they are masters of sea battles and then proceeds to make them do beginner mistakes, at the level of sending your cavalry head first into a massive undead horde, during the night, with absolutely no vision and no support.
They tell us that they are good, but show us that they are bad, in order to make the opponent seem better, is such a terrible way of telling a story.
I agree what awful GW writing. The Elven fleet a super fast well coordinated group got surrounded by a bunch of chaos rotting ships and long boats.
Then a well built dwarf wall, which would had wards, gets defeated by some algae, really!!!
Ow and forget the thousands of human troops that guard the city supported by cannons and magic.
GW what have you done?
I feel ya. Especially after reading Tyrion & Teclis' books, jfc these writers worked really hard to make the elves look like bumbling idiots.
@@sfp2290 This has been television too (much of U.S. television since so much gets made there anyway).
I've noticed it going on for almost 20 years & I don't even watch a lot of television.
But yes I don't get this Warhammer world in general, even 40k has a bit too much funk at times... but this end times stuff is just ridiculous.
My goodness they really "kinda just forgot about the Elven fleet". Levels of writing
The fact that you can make a dumpster-fire like the end times even a bit interesting is a testament to your skill
They turned the genious of elves into idiots. and Chaos into Mary sues.
Ah the End Times, my favourite 'reads like a term paper that needs to be done by morning' part of warhammer lore.
The only faction that seems to be written in a competent fashion is the Vampires
@@hoabinhnguyen8839 welll they forgot massive parts of the backstory of several characters, randomly revived comparably unimportant characters and forgot to revive Nagash most important servant, Wsoran the architect who is literally the father of all vampires (who was actually partially still alive). They also forgot the entire necrarch bloodline, which is weird as its the only one that remained loyal to Nagash and the most powerful of the 5.
@@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547 Perhaps because they couldn't figure out how to make Chaos win in that case. Undead are essentially the counter to chaos, unable to be corrupted, able to keep up attrition wise and can easily be massed in large enough numbers to fight. Basically had they done it they would've likely implemented some Deus ex making the story even shittier than the current version, which is no small feat.
@@blitcut9712 erll they gave nagash other super OP new Deus ex machina shit while ignoring the several forces that were actually preparing for his return
@Kenji Azurai The End Times is a cannon, a cannon that blew up Warhammer Fantasy with hack writing.
The whole End Times storytelling reeks of Chaos Stan fanfiction.
Ikr? Especially in the way characters like Gelt or Tyrion were butchered.
I mean. It was always a forgone conclusion. Chaos was always going to win. The "good" God's barely ever interfere on behalf of their believers, while the Ruinous Power alwaaaaays do. The only thing that held them off was that they were too busy fighting each other. Throw Archaon into that mix, plus the skaven attacks the Empire stupidly tried to make hush hush, and it would have been a ridiculous event if they HADN'T lost.
@apollyon23456 chaos definitely is supposed to win.
That's the entire point of the end times.
It's the way they do it that's dumb.
It's not Chaos being clever.
It's Chaos having unlimited numbers, and the defenders being morons
A lot of these ideas sound cool in theory but man it seems like Chaos is just overpowered. If a single Nurgle lord and his fleet could destroy two of the greatest port cities in the Old World pretty much by himself, how did Chaos not win beforehand? Why is it that so far almost every victory or near victory has only been possible because a vampire showed up and decided to help the humans?
Officially, the old world only lasted as long as it did because it was amusing for the Chaos gods to do so. Any one of them could have splattered the entire world by themselves without much effort but the long conflict was more fun for them. They've apparently been doing this over and over again for eons. Letting a few spirits and minor gods flee the blown-up world and build a new world only for Chaos to find them again and start the entire dance again.
Everything before was a cat pawing at a dying mouse, now the cat has it's paw on the mouse and only has to press just a little bit to kill it. The four were bored and wanted to blow it up and see what few survivors built this time.
Of course this is ****** stupid and I don't consider it canon.
Because the company making Warhammer fantasy was losing money with it, so they axed and told the writers to contrive a story were chaos wins in the end anyway.
@@brianboru2762 GW be like "Yeah fuck whatever rhyme or reason to give the setting a proper believable sendoff, Chaos was super duper invincible from the start anyways because yes, and good guy facilitate the already inevitable Chaos victory by acting out of chacter-ly braindead. Ulthuan, the Empire and Nehekhara all goes to shit within a week because Chaos 2strong4u. Nothin personnel kiddo, now go buy some Sigmarines"
They wanted to end fantasy. Little did they realise it was the best IP they had. The only thing they have that is close is 30k warhammer fantasy id peak table top an fantasy game.
@@guilliman1990 yeah the reason the IP sold so badly is because the rule and model quality and balance was terrible. It cost thousands of pounds to get into the game properly (not even kidding) and then you’d get your army wiped if you didn’t use the few meta things that worked.
Man, the End Times was such a cop out. No wonder nobody accepts it as canon.
No shit. They didn’t even try. It’s called end times, but it didn’t have to be so one sided
I was intesrested
@@theawesomeman9821 The video is awesome: the problem was the original publication: warhmamer fantasy was selling poorly, so they decided to end it with the event, and it shows, because the plot bends and contrives constantly around ways for chaos to randomly win, contradicting established lore and characters. As a casual myself, I also enjoyed this series a lot, but for hardcore fans it s understandable why they hate it (I recommend pancreasnowork video on the end times to see what happened).
The funniest part of the end time is that it was so rushed that they actively reconed stuff in each book with the most stupid one being between Karl and sigmar
Those are the exact words I just used myself. A cop out.
The walls of the city crumbled because it just did okay!
Man this is worse than fan fiction 😂
It's what I thought. Poof, written out of existence.
It literally is. The writer assigned to this project, according to an interview, was pretty much a Chaos fanboy who "hated how overpowered Order faction were" (quote)
I had no idea that Nurgle, the chaos god of disease and death was also the chaos god of growing algae super quickly go act as an oil slick.
I will never not hate that an official GW Warhammer book has a part where they go 'And then the bad guys noclipped through a wall!'.
These end times battles aren't even really fights, they're all one-sided slaughters of anything that isn't chaos. Bit hard to keep any tension in a story with no stakes
Ikr, walls disappearing, ancient era ship with plot armor so thick it'd make Jon Snow blush, terrorgeist zapped out of existence and the city defenders moronically abandoning any defensive fortifications because a dude died.
I can't believe for a second the Elves got ambushed and all died
Good example of Chaos using mods in Endtimes, ALWAYS OUTNUMBERING any guy, got magic and everything while the other side ALWAYS GOT NOTHING
This all feels just a bit too much.
Undefeatable evil champions, surprise vampire lord, magic dragon, roaming plague etc.
Then just a bunch of humans with swords and muskets.
The funny thing is thing is that tjr oppsite was alway the complaint in warhammer fantasy, that the empire was individually so powerful that it was explicitly stated that none of the bad guy factions in the setting could feasible threaten it in a 1v1. Turns out having a modernizing early industrial state with an army that’s at least a million strong and armed with 17th to mid 18th century guns is quite scary
The humans with swords and muskets usually kick a lot of ass, that’s the whole point of the damn setting. Normal men prevailing against unspeakable horrors, with nothing but faith, steel, and gunpowder.
@@jakemocci3953 Usually yeah they do, might be a bit tricky against dragons 😄
I think a video on the Lizardmen fighting chaos and skaven would provide relief to the viewers who think the forces of good never stood a chance. The Lizardmen were absolute chads and bought time for the elves to create the vortex.
I always wonder what the End Times writers were thinking when the wrote the series, if they even were at all. As always Wizards and Warriors has made an excellent video, but it would be even better if the End Times writers actually thought about what they were writing. I'm so glad this isn't canon
It wasn´t completely their fault: GW had already decided to shut down fantasy because it wasnt making money, so they problably already told the the writers they had to destroy the setting in a single storyline.
@@lvo9197
GW: we're shutting down Fantasy. It's gonna get destroyed by Chaos
Writers: how?
GW: figure it out. You're on your own
"I always wonder what the End Times writers were thinking when the wrote the series"
Man, the fans are gonging to love Age of Sigmar and the Sigmarines!
Yes-yes can't wait to see-watch the future video about the Under Empire and glorious-great Skaven!
Shoulda had clan skyre and the warplocks be a big event for their endtimes lore, gunpowder changes their army dynamics
What always bugged me about Norscans.
They seemingly spawn massive raiding fleets out of nowhere.
While they live in what is essentially Greenland with Australian wildlife on cocaine.
I wont even touch on the matter of "Viking longboat" vs Man-o-War with cannons.
The Longboat would not be even able to board the bigger ship because it literally assaulting a castle at sea.
Not to mention the matter of "Suddenly there were hundreds of thousands of naked Norscans"
Brother in Sigmar they would die of hypotermia and hunger while assembling, not to mention the mere fact that such a population would require milions of "Civilians" in the background who would also need to eat and be clothed in a area not known for agriculture.
Ah, the End Times.
Otherwise known as "Everyone has already bought the old campaign setting so we need to invent a new one for them to give us money for".
Is it just me, or does Chaos seem a little OP?
An entire elven armada: lost
The Empire's largest fleet: sunk
Impregnable walls of Marienburg: crumbled
Human defenders: slaughtered
Vampire counterattack: repulsed
Human reinforcements: crushed
The fall of Marienburg was honestly one of the worst written parts of the endtimes. The fleet of the Sea Elves? One of the most powerful navies in the world, backed by their great mages and whatnot? Oh yeah they just uh... lost. How? Pffft like we'd write something good for that. Oh and the incredibly number of forts that line the river Reik? Pffft who cares about those.
I think halo might be a pretty fun series for y'all to go through. Even outside of the main games there's so many battles from the human-covenant war and prior that have background information and at least some basic tactics being used. Unit numbers are usually simple enough to find too. Love the channel and keep kicking ass!
That ship has more plot armor than Jon Snow. "it's catapults and ballista", I like how a trireme destroyed all these cannon ships.
Naval Battles in Warhammer..... God I wish I could actually play that in Total War
The old "Man O War" series was Warhammer naval battles. It was fleets of miniature ships and later there was an online game. Pretty cool idea. Empire, Dwarf, Green skins, Dark Elf ships, spells, sea monsters, sea forts, etc. were all covered.
Man Chaos plays like a 10 year old, oh you have a dwarves built sea wall? Surely you meant to say HAD. Are your superior canons destroying my ships? Of corse not, they deal no damage!
It's a shame the end times were so poorly written.... Love your series tho.
That´s such a shitty "siege". Wtf were the writers thinking
that is simply the end times in a nutshell
All sieges end in 1 or 2 days, just look at Middenheim
@@MiguelSanchezDelVillar fuck middenheim, look at bloody karaz a karak!
That's what happen when you have hack writers that never read anything about 17th to 19th century sieges.
Man this series is so good
Can’t believe it took me until the total war games to start looking into warhammer lore this stuff is gold
The more I learn about warhammer fantasy lore and the more I am disappointed with how shallow the games are ... WHY CAN'T MY GHOST PHASE THRU BUILDINGS AND WALLS. WHERE ARE THE EPIC MAPS
@@JD-bk4zi honestly they did a good job getting what they have done fantasy is straight up 2 big to do properly. Just the old world is 3 games worth what we have is going to have to be good enough
if only end times writers cared as much about the setting as the W&W team trying to salvage it
The worst part about that elven fleet is that they didnt need to be there, there was a War ocurring in Ulthuan at the moment, instead of saying for the 10th time that Chaos won the battle why not say that since there was no elven fleet the Glottkin could arrive to Marienburg without losing any ship?
Because then Chaos would look slightly less impressive and the writers needed them to look cool
Chaos was Mary Sue level cringe in End Times.
Everything just kind of worked out for them
One of the ways to show that Humans and Elves are allied. At this point it was already clear that Age of Sigmar would happen.
@@18Krieger a shitty way to do it in my opinion, a lot of elves live in Marienburg, why not show that a significant part of the defenses of Marienburg are elves?
@@malekiththeeternityking5433 because well there are several fleets there more powerfull then the elven fleet. The dwarven fleet st Barrack Varr exists for the sole purpose to stop a naval chaos or elven invasion of their imperial Allie’s and the dwarfs are 100% certain they can best either with it (they have insanse ironclad battleships with runic naval batteries that could give a WW1 battleship a run for its money ) and two seperate imperial navies, which are both large and powerful by now, the marienburg navy and the Bretonia navy as Well
Fantasy lore is some of the best lore ever done. Please please do some more warhammer fantasy lore.
Only thing that can make The End Times "enjoyable". Love your work, Wiz team!
"When your fleeing from CHAOS..." - Wizards and Warriors
"Hahahaha" - me
I really want to see a Tamurkhan series please!!!!
4:32 "Having cleverly outmaneuvered" lol he really does try to soften the order armies throwing themselves on the chaos swords to progress the end times
Yeah, I totally buy that the greatest naval power in the Warhammer world was dumpstered in one day by a bunch of stinky tumour boys in longboats.
Lol the vampirelord got yeeted outside of a city
Anyone else starting to think they should have put the vampires in charge?
You should read the Fall of Altdorf,they have a role to play there.
Absolutely putting Vlad von Carstein in charge might have very well saved the Empire - he, unlike many of his kind, actually wanted to save the Empire as it was and was happy now with just being recognised as Elector Count of Sylvannia. I hated that they made Isabella his achilles heel. Yes they just wanted to end the world so they could create a new one and screw us all for more money buying new models and army books. The forces of Order never stood a real chance.
@@davidwhitfield6025 Exactly man,exactly. And you know,under normal conditions,the this same Chaos invasion would have been repelled. But...writing like Gazghul not giving the final blow to Archeon and leaving just like that? Even for an Ork Warboss that's ridiculous.
@@Tsagia I wasn't going to spoil that absolute stupidity (it was Grimgor actually). Also even if this happened Archaon should have been immediately dropped by the Chaos Gods as no longer being worthy. Who follows a Chaos War Leader who isn't even worth being killed by an Ork?! There are a lot more. Thorgrim, Teclis' decision, Nagash, Settra and the Blood Dragon Grand Master. The whole thing makes my blood boil decades latter.
@@davidwhitfield6025 Sorry,I forgot his name and said Ghazgul :P
Really great video!!! Appreciate your hard work a lot!
For me the writers who did the end times seemed they were in a hurry, no one stood a chance against chaos, even though the human race of man had really strong and skilled full leaders and they were just slaughterd like butter
These videos are goateed especially how well the ads are placed into the video XD
Can you do lore documentaries on the Klendathu assault or any of the battles that happened in the Starship Troopers films or from the old 3d animated TV series?
OoooOOoo and me being on a Warhammer Fantasy books bender as of late.
Good timing!
I would love to see a series on Marko Kloos’s Frontlines book series
Don't bother.
There's no proper answers or conclusion to the story in the last book.
Real shame.
@@Emanon... How dare you! It may not have any answers to some of the questions we have but it’s still a good read and deserves to have a series about it on this channel!
Im glad that there is a channel like you
I'm guessing nothing ever stopped them since this is called the end times. Nice video.
The seawall kinda just glowed green and disappeared. You what mate?
As a new fan of Warhammer Fantasy from Mexico, I didn't know that it had a story about the end of the world!
The end times are a bit weird. Warhammer fantasy was lagging in sales behind 40k so GW overhauled the game and wrote the End Times as the story behind it. But because of the quality of writing, many fans reject this as non canon.
@@BulletBill64 And because also...Sigmarines and the trash world they made after destroying GW. They put so much emphasis on 40k that they eventually had newer generations go that way instead of the high fantasy one.
@@BulletBill64 what was so bad about the writing?
@@theawesomeman9821 A lot of legendary lords were forgotten about, some major factions were written off in a few sentences, Orks just went away to Cathay for reasons, Malekith was the true Phoenix king all along, just didnt stay in the fire long enough,...
Another victory for the Forces of Chaos in a series where Chaos basically wins. One problem with the End Times is that one of the factors that enables Chaos to win is the endless numbers of its troops. The Norscan invasion here is basically endless in the number of warriors it can field, overwhelming the city’s mortal defenders with not only plague but vast hordes of barbarians.
The Elven fleet of Finubar the Seafarer emerges from the mist to attack the Plague Fleet rather than being enveloped by mist and are driven off by Gutrot Spume’s conjured smoke tentacles that suffocate the Elven crew and the thrashing limbs of whatever resides in Spume’s ship, Rotten Beast.
Spume does not partake in the Battle of Marienburg but departs for Nordland to travel along the Old Dwarf Road to Altdorf.
It is not well explained in this video but the Dwarf-built sea wall is brought down when the Glottkin have one of the plague urns given to them by Archaon (who in turn received three of them from Ku’Gath) hurled via catapult around the sea wall which unleashes a moss that supernaturally grows quickly and destabilizes the sea wall greatly. This moss would later grow down the length of the River Reik.
The Marienburg soldiery flees when it becomes revealed that their enemy brings plague and Mundvard’s undead erupt from within the city, not out in the marshes. The Suiddock Beast threatens to cut off Norscan reinforcements from the boats with it being perched on the Greenwolf and Mundvard himself does not ride the Suiddock Beast but remains in the outskirt marshes near the docks, which is where the Glottkin fight him (Ghurk throws him in the sea after Otto pins the vampire in place by piercing his neck with his scythe).
The Reikland Irregulars meet the Glottkin and their army outside of Marienburg and are able to push back the Chaos army with their discipline but with the unnatural moss and gore on the ground the Empire army suffers uneven footing and their formation breaks up, allowing the Norscans to beat them in the chaotic close combat they so love.
watching this and crying
Excellent impatient to see the following 👍
Do some lore about the Elves and Dawi
End Times really makes it seem like Chaos are the GOAT Mary Sue’s
Other things you can look into are
1 Marion Zimmer Bradley's "Darkover" series from the 1960's to the 1980's
2. THE DYING EARTH. A science fantasy based on the 1951 Novel of the same name by Jack Vance. The data and chronology of which can be found in Wikipedia
Two sci-fan by acclaimed Michael Moorecock
1Count Brass/Dorian Hawkmoon soties, featuring the tetrology JEWEL IN THE SKILL'
2. THE DANCERS AT THE END OF TIME series featuring AN ALIEN HEAT, Like THE DYING EARTH, this is an end-of-time scenario
You mighht also do the SCP universe; a combination of Asimov, Kafka, Lovecraft and Man From UNCLE. This is spawning films and video games as well as stories and articles, involving very uniqpe things like "cognito hazards" and "info-hazards" which can kill a person just by knowing certain things. It is a world populated by interesting persons, groups and other things. I reccommend to begin with SCP-093: the Red Sea Objecti as related in THE EXPLORING series. Other names to RUclips up; The Volgun, SCP Illustrated and Dr. Cimmerian as well as The SCP items in THE EXPLORING SIERIES. In fact, they Exploring Series is very very good in it's own right, having examined Lovecraft, Final Fantasy and the Mabinogeon, from which came Fleetwood-Mac's RHIANNON
Vampires are the paper to Nurgle's rock. Can't die of disease if you're already dead.
Fantastic graphics on this one! An excellent episode to be sure.⚔
Giant skeleton demon bat.
I'll probably never get into this franchise, WAY too cynical (and expensive) for me. But it's got good ideas.
i was convinced the vampire lord saved the day and we might have had a little push back then that reinforcement had to go along and get a big head rip!
Love you videos. I watch them over and over again. Whenever i work out and get on the bike its the highlight of it. Was wondering if you could do dragon age battles if possible?
"But how???"
"Because we said so, now shutup." - GW
pls do War of the Beard
they really did just say "his ship just floats on in and says nuh uh to any attacks and claps the entire town"
Chaos was always more interesting as a corruptible force than a horde of black knights who worship demons. The Reiksguard novel comes to mind as illustrating the political and personal havok that Chaos causes.
Watching the alternate history video from you previous channel makes me want an alternate End Times history instead. If only the writing of End Times was as good as this channel!
I imagine that I somehow teleport heroes and armies from specific high fantasy worlds to help fight back the Chaos,because if that happens here,then all other worlds "might fall". For example,imagine the brotherly Warcraft universe sending a huge force of Alliance and Horde expeditionary forces. Geralt,Triss,Ciri and their friends with a few thousand Nilfgaardian soldiers. Drizzt and his friends from the Forgotten Realms. Even Gandalf,Aragorn and Faramir leading a force of Gondorian knights and infantry,Rohirim,Rangers and elite elven archers. I know,it's nonsense...but having an unstoppable Chaos army that defeats everything,that's also ridiculous.
@@Tsagia I kinda like that idea, if only for that moment when Karl turns to them all and goes, "Now do you see just how easy you bastards had it?"
@@humanrager I loved the Fall of Altdorf. It's one of my favorite fantasy books,the author (I think it was Chris Wright?) is great. But when you know that no matter all the bravery and effort,the Chaos will win no matter what...you get depressed.
Maybe one day they will do a series on Storm of Chaos.
@@Tsagia which just looking at the setting just doesn’t make sense. Militarily the empire is far superior to the mortal forces of chaos and the reason chaos has any chance of winning is by dividing the empire through its cults and weakening it through infighting.
Im playing the Marienburg mod in TWW3 right now. Guess im heading on a business crusade to Nurgle! :D
I love the videos
What mod is that?
@@coffeedrinker6011 is called SMC Marienburg on workshop
Awesome videos. Where do you get information about the events?
Thank for your this episode I will wait for more episodes
would be awesome of yall did some of these from war of the beard !
End times lore is just all the defenders wake up with the iQ of 17 and derp derp their way through battles 😂
What happened to gut rot spume when his ship was sunk?
"and then the vampire lord experienced in being slippery and escaping stood there and just dodged instead of running away" "and then the competent commander just let his army run straight into a death trap because he was happy" guhhhhhhhh
It's a glory day for the plague father.
Still waiting for Malekith in this series
Gotta wait your turn spiky boy.
So does Glottkin fall in the End Times ?
After reading all of the Gotrek and Felix books i can't wait for them to join the storie even tho i know anything involved with the end times is a bit of a L
I still want to see some lore for Grimgor Ironhide pls pls pls
Soon
Waiting for that
Mongol alt history ♥️ ❤️
Humans should make alliance with Vampires. They super helpful against Chaos.
why are you mainly doing the endtimes, is there no other content to cover?
Cool vid
not gonna lie, vampires really the mvp for this one
Hey there is a typo on the title lmao, DOCUMNETARY
Seems that the company just gave up on this part of their business maybe it was not making enough money, so they wanted to get rid of it to concentrate on the 40k money pot.
I really hate how badly written the End Times are, but nice video
Still can't help but feel sorry for those 3 brothers.
Doesn't Teclis infuse the hero's of Order with the power of the vortex at one point? Doesn't that drive back chaos a while?
Teclis undoes the vortex at the center of Ulthuan which allows him to bind the winds of magic to a specific individual aka the incarnates but it sank the entire island of Ulthuan allowed Slannesh to absorb thousands of elven souls thereby increasing his/her power and without the vortex impeding the winds of magic it allowed chaos to send as many of their forces as they wanted.
@@seanallerdings8147 Seems like rather a short sighted action by one so allegedly wise and powerful.
I didn't know this before, my knowledge of Warhammer lore is patchy, and only started soon after buying the Warhammer total war series.
@@tomosjackson4760 yeah, there's quite a lot of things with the end times that logically don't make a lot of sense and especially with certain character's actions and motivations. To use Teclis as an example a lot of what he does in the end times in any other form of media would make him an outright villain which is the exact opposite of what he is.
@@seanallerdings8147 Well to be fair to Teclis, I've always seen him as cold and calculating. Throw in desperate and I can see him cracking open the Vortex. I liked the idea of Tyrion picking up the Sword of Khaine, much as his ancestor Aenarion did when things got bad and having Teclis and Malekith team up to bring him to his senses. Again I don't have a great deal of context, and my knowledge is patchy.
Idk. I just think that Teclis could have made an interesting character when you mash his personality with the role of Gandalf. He doesn't seem the kind of guy who works well with people (Though I loved his team up with Gotrek and Felix) so having him be the one who has to pull all the forces of Order together to resist chaos seems like a really interesting arc to explore.
@@tomosjackson4760 It would have been if Games Workshop actually went that route. As for cold and calculating let me think besides the other things during the end times he allowed his niece who was the illegitimate child of Tyrion and Alarielle to be kidnapped by Arkhan and later sacrificed so that Nagash could be resurrected. He also stole the flame of Ulric from Middenheim which led to not only the actual death of Ulric but allowed Middenheim to fall to Chaos because the flame was the only thing helping the besieged defenders out. Teclis actually is a great character in most of the lore but in the End Times Games Workshop made him a bastard.
I dont like End Times. But you make a great videos !
Dammnn it's like the chaos gods are tooo overpower and all other races are too incompetent to do something
never read warhammer except for Heldenhammer, but compared, the end times seem to be off. As if it had to be done quickly. Disappointed tbh.
Great work on the video! As always, you guys are a beacon of quality content.
I miss warhammer
At least we have WTW3.
So, elven sea masters suck, and big dwarf wall dies to insta magic which the elves would've had, and then the vampire counts come in again and beat the chaos warrior with undead? The elite chaos warriors that did all that stuff and easily took the city? The ones that don't fear death because of their immense tankiness and the ability to like just respawn?????
they just keep being so op to beat an enemy but then another enemy is so op to win and i see why everybody doesn't like the end times now
Team Foged Ember 💯
These videos are always great, but you can tell just how desperately GW was trying to dump the hemorrhaging carcass of Fantasy with how rushed all this writing seemed to be...
Any chance of some Warhammer 40K stuff?
will wizards and warriors make what if about star trek tonight yes are no
Warhammer 40k! Pls common their fandom is massive. Atleast 100k viewS
glory
I've been just mindlessly enjoying these so far, but it really becomes apparent how stale the End Times are when the writing goes to "picked him up and threw him out of the city."
How did he catch him to begin with?! It's freaking hilarious but HUHH??
Anyways, switching my mind off.
I like how the walls disappeared.
Dang you did a great and fun narration of some of the worst fantasy writing from a major IP that we have ever seen.
Thanks to the lazy writers, we have won a great plot armor aided super easy victory. Now our loyal fans can lay their eyes on Sigmarines and forget about the old world. - Lord of Tentacles.
malazan empire please