Ryan is right. Always, always, always, look over the images before bidding. I ran into this last year when I bid on a CGC 9.8 ASM 363 Australian Price Variant. Whenever bidding on a price variant, I look at the price box first to verify the different price, except this one time when I did a lazy scan. It wasn't until after I had won the auction and was archiving a copy of the cover image in the lot posting that I noticed the comic had a US price but the CGC label noted it was an Australian Price Variant. I immediately contacted Comic Link and got everything straightened out. I understand how CL could miss this, but I don't know how the seller would not have known. That exact book is still listed as an Australian Price Variant on GPA, having been sold for a premium in 2021, so I suspect the buyer was trying to pass it off to someone to recoup money lost. Interestingly, the CGC certlookup now has the book listed as a just a newsstand. I assume the owner sent it to CGC to get a corrected label.
Those collection stickers, QES stickers, auction house stickers Comicconnect, comiclink, collectorscomics, etc.. placed on front and back of cases has propagated to the extent of annoyance. Time consuming to remove. I like the Heritage approach- they attach their brand labels/stickers on the outside of the case bags and not on the slabs themselves. I appreciate their approach.
Ryan, honestly if I had the funds… I’d pull the trigger on this book, as an oddity book for my collection with no intention to correct it or sell it ever. But then again I’m the guy who collects niche books: superhero identity reveal covers, suspect racism covers, and GA cowboy books. I feel like niche collectors like me would fawn over this book, but I see where the true problem lies. Thank you for your dedication to the hobby!
Agreed. I know one error collector who jumped into the bidding. He got hooked on collecting errors when he bought an early 1970's Avengers comic with six covers only three years after its release! So it was still in great shape.
ASM #48 has such a great Vulture cover. It's a shame that no one would step up and do the right thing and have the label fixed. I always look carefully at CGC labels for any kind of restoration, notes, etc. I even check grader's notes because CGC is no longer putting tape, detached centerfolds, etc. on labels anymore!
I’m relatively new to comics, well the grading side of things anyway, and honestly I’ve seen so much poor form from CGC lately I just don’t want to get any of my books graded by them. Are CBCS more reliable, do they appear to have a better QC process in place?? After seeing their new labels I actually prefer the look of the CBCS labels, although that’s personal preference I know.
I still send all my comics to CGC. So take that for whatever it’s worth. Even with their flaws, they are who I would use if you’re going to get a book graded or if you are going to buy a graded book.
Stuff like this happens at Heritage, Comic Connect, ComicLink, etc. where what's in the slab isn't what's on the label. Usually it's a reprint or something when I see it. I bought a mislabled one from an auction and noticed only when I got it that what was in the case wasn't what was on the label. I told the auction house and they took it back. I saw the exact same book up for sale in a later auction at the same auction house but they corrected the description to say it was the reprint edition. Of course the label still said it was the original/earlier copy of the book. Smh. There's another auction house I told one of the books they had listed was not what they were showing, but they never responded and it sold. Same auction house had a Canadian version of the book mixed up with the American version (I think) and I emailed them, but they responded I was correct and.... let it sell anyway. Buyer beware... CGC makes mistakes, auction houses make mistakes, and I'm not sure how much they really care. So .... yeah. lol.
One kudos to Heritage (since this isn't always intentional and some do try to fix the error), I once caught a Flying Saucers #1 (Avon, 1950) that was really the reprint Flying Saucers #nn. If I recall, the case even said it was a #1. Heritage got back to me quickly after pulling that auction. Kudos. Unfortunately, if you look in the history of sales of Flying Saucers #1 sales on Heritage, you'll see a 6.0 sold back in Sep 2022 that is really a Flying Saucers #nn despite what the CGC label says.
I don’t understand why this book shouldn’t be sold. Why can a mislabeled book not be sold provided everything is disclosed? So if CGC uses the wrong label now the owner can’t sell it even if everything is disclosed?
It’s about personal responsibility for what you’re selling. You’re selling an item that is misleading whether it’s disclosed or not. I’m not saying you shouldn’t sell the book ever. But you should get it fixed first.
@@AutomaticComics I love your show and agree almost always with you. But here I disagree. Just saying it’s about personal responsibility isn’t an argument. It’s responsible to properly and unambiguously disclose when selling this. What happens when CGC gives a gift grade or when a comic or card is misprinted with the wrong number? You even have a fan in this chat who said he would have bought the mislabeled slab because he likes oddball stuff. In my day job I’m a prosecutor who specializes in fraud cases. I just don’t see a problem with selling a mislabeled slab if you properly and obviously disclose the defect
@@FireflyComics we’ll just have to disagree on this one then. This isn’t the same as a “gift grade”. This is a book that is marked as restored but in the wrong label. Personally I don’t think that’s a reasonable comparison. But it’s clear we won’t agree on this.
@@AutomaticComics agree to disagree. I’m curious what you think of dealers who send their restored books to CBCS to avoid a purple label. Might be a good topic for a video. I’ve never seen a video by anyone on this but the practice always smelled to me. Interesting question about intent
With CGC new 'grading' scale I could see this Amazing Spider-man 48 sliding out of 'restored' status. Right by CGC is desperate to stay relevant, that is why we have all these 9.9 for 9.8 books. Buy the book, not the grade.
I am not so sure that is exactly correct. The "Conserved Grade" labels don't specify the grade of restoration unlike the purple label. The Conserved label specifies what was done, e.g. "Conservation includes: cover cleaned." I think that the grader notes you showed in the video stated " Professionally cleaned" so should be considered "Conserved" and not "Restored". I think CGC is still trying to figure out what to do with the newer cover lightening techniques. Some of the H2O2 techniques such as the BLED method can leave no trace whatsoever when done properly whereas the HOP method can fuse copy paper residue to the cover leaving behind a hideous UV bright stain. When a book has obviously been cleaned but there is no trace CGC seems to hand out the "Conserved Grade" whereas if there is a UV trace on the book it tends to get a purple label. Hard to say with this one and the sands beneath CGC are always shifting. Thanks for the cool video and the reminder to always check what you are buying before biding. Cheers!
From the CGC website: Conservation Repairs Conservation repairs are performed with the intent of preserving the structural or chemical integrity of a comic book using professional techniques and materials. It excludes aesthetic repairs such as color touch and piece fill. All conserved grades must satisfy the CGC quality scale of "A" and quantity scale of "1". Tear seals Spine split seals Reinforcement Piece reattachment Some cover or interior cleaning (water or solvent) Staples cleaned or replaced Some leaf casting De-acidification Materials Used for Conservation Repairs: Rice paper Wheat glue Vintage staples Archival tape
I disagree with your assessment to some extent. This book was professionally cleaned so it should have received a conserved label (blue and grey) not a PLOD. What is really crazy is that CGC allows some restoration on certain Golden Age books and gives them Universal labels instead of PLODs. I actually like the fact that CBCS does not use PLODs but indicates the restoration on their labels.
Ok…think about what you said multiple times in this video “quality control”…said it shouldn’t slip through the cracks if CGC had any type of quality check. Yet these are the people you content creators trust giving 9.9s and 10s LMAO. Yet you will still submit…cause it’s content and your business. Cgc can do no wrong lol. I’m a collector…raw and graded…I just think alot of the stuff cgc has done over the last year…going downhill and lost a bit of faith in them as a company. Just being honest.
Ryan is right. Always, always, always, look over the images before bidding. I ran into this last year when I bid on a CGC 9.8 ASM 363 Australian Price Variant. Whenever bidding on a price variant, I look at the price box first to verify the different price, except this one time when I did a lazy scan. It wasn't until after I had won the auction and was archiving a copy of the cover image in the lot posting that I noticed the comic had a US price but the CGC label noted it was an Australian Price Variant. I immediately contacted Comic Link and got everything straightened out. I understand how CL could miss this, but I don't know how the seller would not have known. That exact book is still listed as an Australian Price Variant on GPA, having been sold for a premium in 2021, so I suspect the buyer was trying to pass it off to someone to recoup money lost. Interestingly, the CGC certlookup now has the book listed as a just a newsstand. I assume the owner sent it to CGC to get a corrected label.
Those collection stickers, QES stickers, auction house stickers Comicconnect, comiclink, collectorscomics, etc.. placed on front and back of cases has propagated to the extent of annoyance. Time consuming to remove. I like the Heritage approach- they attach their brand labels/stickers on the outside of the case bags and not on the slabs themselves. I appreciate their approach.
Ryan, honestly if I had the funds… I’d pull the trigger on this book, as an oddity book for my collection with no intention to correct it or sell it ever. But then again I’m the guy who collects niche books: superhero identity reveal covers, suspect racism covers, and GA cowboy books. I feel like niche collectors like me would fawn over this book, but I see where the true problem lies. Thank you for your dedication to the hobby!
yea it is kinda cool in that way
Just sent a Deadpool 1 1997 cgc 9.8 labeled 2016 version 9.8 back to be relabeled correctly
Agreed. I know one error collector who jumped into the bidding. He got hooked on collecting errors when he bought an early 1970's Avengers comic with six covers only three years after its release! So it was still in great shape.
Okay, then a PLOD it would be if CGC applied their own rules consistently. Which of course they don’t!😂
CGC does not charge for mistaken labels as it’s their fault they take it back on their label and ship it back to you and the total cost is zero
Good to know. All the more reason it should be fixed
ASM #48 has such a great Vulture cover. It's a shame that no one would step up and do the right thing and have the label fixed. I always look carefully at CGC labels for any kind of restoration, notes, etc. I even check grader's notes because CGC is no longer putting tape, detached centerfolds, etc. on labels anymore!
I’m relatively new to comics, well the grading side of things anyway, and honestly I’ve seen so much poor form from CGC lately I just don’t want to get any of my books graded by them.
Are CBCS more reliable, do they appear to have a better QC process in place??
After seeing their new labels I actually prefer the look of the CBCS labels, although that’s personal preference I know.
I still send all my comics to CGC. So take that for whatever it’s worth. Even with their flaws, they are who I would use if you’re going to get a book graded or if you are going to buy a graded book.
Don’t worry. Comic link will just buy it, resubmit it and it’ll get 3 grade bumps with no restoration noted.
Stuff like this happens at Heritage, Comic Connect, ComicLink, etc. where what's in the slab isn't what's on the label. Usually it's a reprint or something when I see it. I bought a mislabled one from an auction and noticed only when I got it that what was in the case wasn't what was on the label. I told the auction house and they took it back. I saw the exact same book up for sale in a later auction at the same auction house but they corrected the description to say it was the reprint edition. Of course the label still said it was the original/earlier copy of the book. Smh. There's another auction house I told one of the books they had listed was not what they were showing, but they never responded and it sold. Same auction house had a Canadian version of the book mixed up with the American version (I think) and I emailed them, but they responded I was correct and.... let it sell anyway. Buyer beware... CGC makes mistakes, auction houses make mistakes, and I'm not sure how much they really care. So .... yeah. lol.
One kudos to Heritage (since this isn't always intentional and some do try to fix the error), I once caught a Flying Saucers #1 (Avon, 1950) that was really the reprint Flying Saucers #nn. If I recall, the case even said it was a #1. Heritage got back to me quickly after pulling that auction. Kudos. Unfortunately, if you look in the history of sales of Flying Saucers #1 sales on Heritage, you'll see a 6.0 sold back in Sep 2022 that is really a Flying Saucers #nn despite what the CGC label says.
I don’t understand why this book shouldn’t be sold. Why can a mislabeled book not be sold provided everything is disclosed? So if CGC uses the wrong label now the owner can’t sell it even if everything is disclosed?
It’s about personal responsibility for what you’re selling. You’re selling an item that is misleading whether it’s disclosed or not. I’m not saying you shouldn’t sell the book ever. But you should get it fixed first.
@@AutomaticComics I love your show and agree almost always with you. But here I disagree. Just saying it’s about personal responsibility isn’t an argument. It’s responsible to properly and unambiguously disclose when selling this. What happens when CGC gives a gift grade or when a comic or card is misprinted with the wrong number? You even have a fan in this chat who said he would have bought the mislabeled slab because he likes oddball stuff. In my day job I’m a prosecutor who specializes in fraud cases. I just don’t see a problem with selling a mislabeled slab if you properly and obviously disclose the defect
@@AutomaticComics also Happy Father’s Day
@@FireflyComics we’ll just have to disagree on this one then. This isn’t the same as a “gift grade”. This is a book that is marked as restored but in the wrong label. Personally I don’t think that’s a reasonable comparison.
But it’s clear we won’t agree on this.
@@AutomaticComics agree to disagree. I’m curious what you think of dealers who send their restored books to CBCS to avoid a purple label. Might be a good topic for a video. I’ve never seen a video by anyone on this but the practice always smelled to me. Interesting question about intent
With CGC new 'grading' scale I could see this Amazing Spider-man 48 sliding out of 'restored' status. Right by CGC is desperate to stay relevant, that is why we have all these 9.9 for 9.8 books. Buy the book, not the grade.
ha whoops! yea that’s a bit silly. never seen that before
I am not so sure that is exactly correct. The "Conserved Grade" labels don't specify the grade of restoration unlike the purple label. The Conserved label specifies what was done, e.g. "Conservation includes: cover cleaned." I think that the grader notes you showed in the video stated " Professionally cleaned" so should be considered "Conserved" and not "Restored". I think CGC is still trying to figure out what to do with the newer cover lightening techniques. Some of the H2O2 techniques such as the BLED method can leave no trace whatsoever when done properly whereas the HOP method can fuse copy paper residue to the cover leaving behind a hideous UV bright stain. When a book has obviously been cleaned but there is no trace CGC seems to hand out the "Conserved Grade" whereas if there is a UV trace on the book it tends to get a purple label. Hard to say with this one and the sands beneath CGC are always shifting. Thanks for the cool video and the reminder to always check what you are buying before biding. Cheers!
CGC specifies it on their website.
From the CGC website:
Conservation Repairs
Conservation repairs are performed with the intent of preserving the structural or chemical integrity of a comic book using professional techniques and materials. It excludes aesthetic repairs such as color touch and piece fill. All conserved grades must satisfy the CGC quality scale of "A" and quantity scale of "1".
Tear seals
Spine split seals
Reinforcement
Piece reattachment
Some cover or interior cleaning (water or solvent)
Staples cleaned or replaced
Some leaf casting
De-acidification
Materials Used for Conservation Repairs:
Rice paper
Wheat glue
Vintage staples
Archival tape
Big swing and miss on this one… OUCH!
Well done Ryan
I disagree with your assessment to some extent. This book was professionally cleaned so it should have received a conserved label (blue and grey) not a PLOD. What is really crazy is that CGC allows some restoration on certain Golden Age books and gives them Universal labels instead of PLODs. I actually like the fact that CBCS does not use PLODs but indicates the restoration on their labels.
You can’t get a conserved label with B type restoration. Conserved must be A type restoration.
Ok…think about what you said multiple times in this video “quality control”…said it shouldn’t slip through the cracks if CGC had any type of quality check. Yet these are the people you content creators trust giving 9.9s and 10s LMAO. Yet you will still submit…cause it’s content and your business. Cgc can do no wrong lol.
I’m a collector…raw and graded…I just think alot of the stuff cgc has done over the last year…going downhill and lost a bit of faith in them as a company. Just being honest.
I watch these videos to see just how silly you slabbed comic collectors/sellers get.
Worst thing to have happened to comics is Grading companies, followed by Disney's woke nonsense.