Discussing mag retention is like discussing react to contact: Proximity to the enemy dictates your actions. Both options are valid depending on proximity
110% but as my teammates before me found out, dumping mags, is stupid. Somalia taught Delta and Rangers that thinking what you've got will just be replaced is a pipe dream when shit hits the fan. TIER 1 UNITS doing smash and grab missions are likely to roll in with 3 mags on chest, and one in rifle and drop and send it, but they have QRF locked in, and in many cases speed balls at the ready if things go bad right off the rip. Operation Gothic Serpent taught the fighting forces, to keep your mags on you, that's where the dup pouch got invented. In SHTF bass pro won't likely be open selling you pmags We rocked full taps and full set in packs as well as a bandoleer. If you're gonna carry a gun into a fight, you need to be prepared for a fight
@@WileyE.Coyote-i7cnot saying operators are bad at what they do but I feel like if your a normal Joe like me it would be terrible to actually try and operate like one in terms of shtf because the different variables and values you need to operate by
(In Minecraft) High speed reloads are so fleeting that you are probably okay losing that mag. Imo real reloading is done behind cover and with enough time to tuck the empty somewhere
Yea most reloads are gonna be slow affairs. And in a situation where you need to reload fast you’re probably not also immediately getting the fuck out of doge unless you’re losing. So after you reload and win that fight (because nothing matters anymore if you lose) you could probably just reach down and pick that mag up.
>inb4 refer to Ian from FW with the guy during hurricane Katrina. Don't ditch your magazines, it's unlikely you'll need all of your magazines or ammo but in a situation where you probably won't be able to find more, don't toss them and carry what you can.
@BrassFacts Ian cited the experience of a cop during Katrina who had to wade through floodwater. If he had dropped his mag, it would've vanished into brown-green soup. The lesson (which I personally think is a good one) was to not drop mags that you weren't prepared to lose.
Try living in a ban state where any ‘30’s you lose are completely irreplaceable. Once they’re gone, they’re gone. If you live in a free state, buy 5x the mags you think you need. Maybe 10x.
@@p51mustang24 *Milkcrates' worth.* Luckily I retained a bunch of'm when the Army and I parted ways. ETS (final date of duty) was December 2012. Less than 5 months later CT declared "all the fun things" 'illegal' because _reasons._
Hop is quickly transforming into the crazy cat lady Also, for dump pouches, check out the ODGG dump pouch, it doesn’t really take up space because you can mount a couple AR mag pouches inside of it, and those then act as a retainer for any mags in the pouch
I just got my ODGG dump pouch a few days ago, it’s actually pretty nice. I didnt realize he was making stuff under his own name until I saw it has an odgg tag sewn in. It was just an impulse add-on to a surplus bandolier I ordered.
For the Venture surplus bandolier a few things I've found. 1.) You can make pmags work if you use metal mags in tandem. It's tight but I can get it to button with one pmag and one metal mag in each pouch. 2.) They're dirt cheap at 8 bucks so I grabbed a few and loaded them up. I have chest rigs and plate carriers but you know who doesn't? My girlfriend. So now if shtf she has stylish new acu purse that holds 180 rnds
You can do few things with them. I removed button and put velcro on it. Then removed button on lid and open up lid, put opposite sids of velcro. Now you can fit one or two pmags in there. Next I open up entire bandolier and put sof velcro inside, both sides. Now I can put there pistol kydex holster, glock happy stick pouch ( or just put few sticks in main pouch and close it. With velcro lid it fit med kit ,gun range gear etc
the other half of the reason why I use metal mags is that they cooperate much more with nylon gear than pmags. But yeah I sometimes do that when I'm training and expect to reload. My training mags are a mismatch of all types of mags.
@@MagicPrepper dominate to non dominate side, least full / empty mags to most full mags. So a right handed shooter will always have a full mag in the left most pouch, and any partial or empty mags go on the right most pouches.
Last month, I took my Marine Corps vet friend out shooting in the woods. He was really tripped out that us law enforcement types just dropped empty mags on the deck and didn’t stow them like they had been trained. He had 2 legit tours in Iraq with varied grunt missions. He showed me how he used a SAW magazine pouch that fit 10 usgi mags flat side to side across inside. He would draw full mags from the right and empties stowed on the left. It’s an interesting concept and I guess battle proven, I tried it out a little and see the benefits. Old surplus saw pouches have stiffeners in them and are a good multipurpose pouch in general for a battle larp build.
From a military logistics standpoint 30 round boxes of 5.56 is a lot more compact and stackable than preloaded mags, especially so now that we're fully switched over to gen3 pmags (in the USMC at least). Last I checked standard rifleman have 7 loaded mags on their person, IAR gunners have an additional 14-17 loaded mags in their pack for a total of 21-24. Team leaders and Squad leaders don't shoot as much so they can quickly hand off loaded mags as well. It's pretty rare for a rifleman to have a chance to shoot that many rounds without a chance to plus up mags while behind cover. We practice quickly loading rounds by hand so it doesn't take long to top off a mag or two during lull or while waiting at a phase line. I've had to strip rounds from damaged mags to load my good mags back when we were still using metal mags and it didn't take very long at all. Not ideal, but in a military context it's pretty realistic. In a TEOTWAWKI scenario if you have a team it could be feasible too but given you'd be operating from a fixed location if you want to survive pack space won't be as tight so it's a lot easier to just load a whole bunch of loaded mags. Infantry concerns would be a lot more similar to nomads than 99% of people that are prepared for a disaster/collapse and have a MAG.
The issue with just buying more mags is that I sadly live in a crap state that has mag bans (theres ways around it just not easy access at the local gunshop)
There are plenty of times you say something that is much more casual than other training guys will put out and at first I always wonder if you have some watered down opinion but the more I think about it the more I realize that you’re talking in a context where that one specific event is not everyone’s lives. I appreciate that.
For the record, in the US a soldier or marine can be exposed to various forms of punishment if they come back to the FOB with a missing magazine. This is one of the reasons GWOT era soldiers have been documented reloading with retention in CQB.
I'd say that really depends on your unit and i was in a few shitty ones but that was never an issue for me. We just left them. Not worth fuckin with. One unofficial practice we had in sandy land is taking bad mags and running them over with a truck. The reason was the lazy pukes in supply would just re issue the bad ones and everybody got sick of it so if its crunched they had to DX it and give you a new one. That being said one unit i was in gave me a statement of charges for a set of clear safety glasses i lost.
Points well taken, but I still think mag retention is important regardless of the low $$ cost. A good GI trick for speedy mag retention is to stuff the empty/partial mag into your field blouse via the neck hole. It doesn't require fine motor skills like trying to index the mag back into a pouch. It allows you to keep your hands in your "work area" instead of going down to your belt line to dump the mag in a dump punch or hip pocket.
Also: I'm not sure about reloading in the midst of making a tactical movement in a firefight. I see your/your team's logic for doing so, but I'm not sure how well it would play out in a "two-way firing range." I was taught to reload from cover, and when you have to move, focus on moving and make it quick (pick a route, "I'm up, he sees me, I'm down, etc.). If you're being engaged, I don't know if it's ideal to bog your movement down with admin tasks while you're in a vulnerable state, i.e. leaving cover and exposing yourself to enemy observation/fire however brief. Just my 2¢ for what it's worth haha. I understand where y'all are coming from though.
It's actually a SOP in some units, which is where I got it from. You're running at near full speed, you're just multi tasking the new mag in. as your sliding/leaving cover.
After years of courses and training involved speed reloads, reloads with retention, etc., I've come down to this: -I practice one way to get the empty mag out, new mag in, ASAP. I don't bother about keeping empties, or retaining. -I will probably have 5 mags, 4 and one in the well. I'm prepared to lose all 5. -I have big stashes of mags at, and around, my place. I will go and get some more, if need be. I have no intention of roaming the wasteland engaging in firefights. -As I've said here before, I am not going to "fight like a soldier". I believe that's a losing proposition.
The always retain magazines during a reload SOP started in GWOT because magazines were being rigged with explosive traps by insurgents. Troops would speed reload (aka emergency reloads) and come back to pick up their mags 5-20 minutes later and they'd get their hands blown off, or even lose their lives depending on the size of the charge. Whereas there were little to no records of Marines being wounded or killed because of a reload being half a second too slow. Granted we practiced both speed and tac reloads as should everyone. We started to move to a middle ground of situation dictates and if you drop the mag, you or a buddy behind you will pick it up before leaving the area so there's no chance for it to be sabotaged.
I thought that started in Nam. The disposable magazines (which was the original intention of those aluminum 20s) became immediately reusable once the real world hit.
@@GWOTalchem @AlovelyBunchOfDragonballz I should probably have clarified better that I meant retaining the magazine during a reload even if it was on bolt lock back in the middle of an engagement. So effectively you would only do a tac reload even in times we'd typically train to do a speed reload. I edited my original comment to hopefully make that more clear. I'm not aware of any unit leaving mags behind and intentionally not coming back for them being an SOP in GWOT but that doesn't mean that some units might have done it for some reason. In Vietnam, and in WWII the US military tried the whole disposable magazine thing and it didn't work then either. I'm not sure if other nations have tried it too but I know it's never worked. The only chance I see that changing would be if something like the G11 somehow revived from the grave and their crumbly caseless ammo that required special training and tools to not break apart while loading into a magazine became mass issued. Realistically if caseless ammo ever took off I doubt it would be as fragile as that attempt so even then the disposable magazine doesn't have much of a future.
@@buff34x 8 years, 4 deployments, lots of rounds shot, zero speed reloads from bolt lock. Speed reloads themself are a fantasy and instagram high light post. When exactly are you doing this high speed close distance speed reload? Inside a room? You won’t have time to reload much less retain the mag lol. How it actually goes, is you just grab some cover, your squad covers your fires, you reload and retain the mag, you return to the gun fight. If your like walking down a hallway, and a bad guy jumps out, and your gun goes, click. Your either bailing out so your squad can shoot him, or your charging him to close the distance before he shoots you. No one is doing any speed reloads it’s a complete fantasy.
@GWOTalchem I'm pretty sure we're mostly in agreement. One of my key points was that there's almost no record of Marines being wounded or killed because of reloading slightly too slow. There were records of Marines losing hands to rigged mags that were left behind because for a time some units were focused on the fastest possible reloads no matter what because they figured they could always come back for the mags. Statistically, speed reloads would typically be done in a defensive position like a fighting hole or urban PB when being attacked, and when enemies would counter attack in the middle of clearing contested buildings. Not to say speed reloads happened often, but when they did happen, it was usually in those situations. Hence, the SOP to retain mags 100% of the time, and then shifting to 90-99% of the time with a buddy there to grab it for you in that 1-10% of the time. If you want to be a good rifleman, you should practice both to some degree. Just as most fire fights occur within 300 meters, you should train to shoot further.
I like the Defense Mechanisms dump pouch. stows away nice and neat, has a quick deployment strap on the bottom of the pouch when stowed, and can be mounted underneath other pouches so it doesn’t take up molle space. It does have downside tho. Specifically, the bag itself is not very rigid & is made of the same material as a windbreaker. Although when rolled up it is protected by a thick nylon cover, but is retained by Velcro inside that nylon. Served me good in my larps with the boys.
@BrassFacts Pro tip! If you want your taste back when dealing with the big C sickness, gargle alcohol mouthwash for 7 to 10 days while sick, and taste/smell will return.
I took a pistol and rifle class taught by an early GWOT seal and he had a short blurb about training scars. Basically after firefights guys would be dumping mags out of their shirts and stuff that they didn't remember putting there. Turns out a bunch of them use to tuck mags into their shirts on the range so they didn't have to pick them up later. When they got into a firefight they automatically tucked the mag into their shirt.
When it comes to dump pouches I've found I prefer the thicker walled and larger volume than the "more sleek and packable" options. I also run it on my non dominant side of either a belt or a PC at 8-9 O'clock. If I'm running a larger pack I'm much more likely to run a war belt than a duty belt so it has some play in it, which makes it easier to use the waist strap on the bag. The issued USMC dump pouch also had a draw string inside a thick rigid wide top so you could have it open, or tightened a little as you prefer which was a nice touch. I am yet to have that pouch both while active, and now while civilian shooter snag on anything. I really think the smaller compact dump pouches are at best super niche, and worst a little gimmicky. I also could see them being more likely to spill mags out when mounted as a dangler, but work better as an admin pouch there than most admin pouch danglers.
These are my favorite types of videos, just explaining ideas and opinions that you have tested to the best of your abilities. Something I would like to see that no one has made on RUclips yet is “best piggyback dots”. Any comparisons I find are always on pistols. Whenever I want to get something for my rifle/kit I tend to spend at minimum a month making sure I know everything about the product I can before buying. My current fixation has been finding a top dot for my lpvo. I was 90% sold on a 509tx2 and then I found out about the sig Romeo x enclosed. It’s like $100 more but I can direct mount it to a dpp plate instead of needing an adapter for the 509t. With the rmr hd and the enclosed one now being acro priced I have no interest in buying them for $700+. Would be cool to get your input on this, while I don’t care for enclosed on my pistol I do want my rifle top dot enclosed. I’m way more likely to get that all shitted up than my pistol. Sorry lotta words
Through a lot of BB warz, my method has been drop it on the floor to get back in the fight ASAP, then grab it off the ground and dump pouch/reindex it when I get a chance, rather than retaining immediately. Obviously if I have to change cover right away I have to come back later, but being suppressed means time to grab my mag so that's pretty rare.
I've found several good dump pouches that have a big elastic butthole over the opening and that is my preferred option if possible. It means you gotta do a little more work in the moment, it's less dumping and more shoving, and you still have to do the dance sometimes to settle them in. However you can be confident that whatever goes in stays in, unless maybe if you're doing cartwheels or you've been strung up by your ankles b-movie villain style, in which case all your gear belongs to them now anyway and it's a moot point.
I've been playing PvE tarkov. No wipes and no worries about cheaters or falling behind in PvP progression because I have a job. Please send me screwdrivers for my weekly quest. Also red bull is pretty good but that's coming from a guy who drank water and took caffeine pills before.
Thanks for this. I probably won't really use most of this info because, like you said, the subject is fairly personal but it's nice to see a different perspective on it.
That Hop rant is the biggest revisionist history lie I have ever heard. 100% just made that up to try and justify spending all day looking at cat pics lmao
Good video. Thanks! I like your reasoning. I've carried a gun professionally for my entire adult life and I've come to the same conclusions as you. Will admit though, I have a 200 round battle pack in my go bag as a plus up to the 16 mags I have in there. Reloading mags is obviously not ideal but it's there as a less weight/bulk addition to add ammo to the bag.
@@markrichards7452 yeah, I'm referring to my personal go bag, not my work bag. I use my personal bag as my competition bag as well, so I run it pretty ammo heavy.
Truth is you had a stroke two years ago, hit your head while falling and you haven't been the same since... In your sane moments you realise you are in a mental hospital. Some days you even seem to make progress. But on other days you talk about how you live in the walls of some lesbian aunt none of your relatives knows, cats, bullpups.
Moved away from dump pouches and getting pretty good at replacing partials with fresh mags. As for empty’s in a gunfight im totally for just ditching them if you have too. That being said with belt kit at least the waist strap kinda acts like tucking your shirt and if you can just drop mags down your shirt. Pretty well retained and can easily fit like 6 empty’s if you wanted
The military has magazine retention so drilled into me that I almost lost it when you said "leave them in the dirt". But tbh, I understand that. I keep my personal ammo stored in cheap (free) steel mags that duh gubment don't use no moh. So irl if shtf I'd probably do the same thing, or try to, my muscle memory is hundreds of thousands of reps doing retention reloads.
@@BlackDogOriginalsome guy (idk his name) from GBRS was saying dump pouches were dumb because "we had conex boxes of magazines". Different strokes for different levels of funding I suppose.
What I've seen from Ukraine is 3+1 mags being very popular for raiding trenches and the like. From what I have heard, they usually also have more mags elsewhere but 3+1 is expected to enough for quick access. Now, how much of that is logistics of a military + drones + fire support + reinforcements + everything else that comes with being in a military? I'm not sure. It may be that these attacks are intended to be the first dudes in, so they clear out what they can and make room for everyone else who has a heavier kit to finish sweeping the area. Since they are only expected to get a foothold, they aren't going to be fighting for fire superiority with suppressive fire, they are going to be shooting individual people who are responding to gunshots or who are unfortunate enough to not realize they are the ingress point. These are just guesses though.
Im a big fan of stowable dump pouches. I have a tactical tailor dump pouch that stows basically flat, my friend runs one from flatline fiber co that has 2x2 molle field where it attatches on the belt, and you can mount something there if need be.
Tarkov is a rather interesting test bed for sustainment and weapon/gear management, especially at the concerned/prepared/dirty civilian level. But as far as gear goes, the lessons I learned just by using my gear in airsoft was: 1) 3 mags on a rig is a joke for anything but a simple 1v1 encounter. 2) Dump pouches are great, and finding a good one is difficult. 3) Packing "loose" ammo into mags is a pain in the dick. Just bring extra mags. The best two dump pouches I've used are the TRex, and ODGG pouch. Ran the TRex for years, but often found shortcomings with it. Picked up the ODGG one recently, and I think it's the best one on the market currently.
I have the Blackhawk dump pouch... Its 'decent', but I rarely actually wear it, as I haven't put in the time to figure out where I want it to live long term... But its heavier material that somewhat holds its basic shape (much better than the ones made from very thin and flimsy nylon fabric), reinforced opening, and can roll up and has a little Velcro strap to hold it rolled, when not in use.
I have a couple of shoulder type bags, could call them satchel’s! They can hold 6 30 rd AR mags. A plus is that they can also hold 30 rd glock mags, yes they can hold 12 of those great for the guy who is keen on pcc’s, like me!😅
I throw empty in my dump pouch if permitted lol otherwise they stay on the ground till it's clear overseas I won't lie I may have left a few mags in the sand/woods but when you are with a group of people we never really had to worry about running out also sometimes every single second counts
Everything you're doing is sound. It mirrors a lot of what I've done in both light and armored infantry. I got to the point after a while where i stopped wearing more than 3 mags on my chest. The rest would go in my bag if we're rucking or in armor, and they'd go on my belt and in specialized pockets on my pants if we're on target or doing short movements.
My shtf loadout? Swim trunks, unbuttoned pink hawaiian shirt, aviators, flip flops, straw hat and a m134 minigun, with the ammo pack on a radio flyer wagon.
A friends unit lost a loaded AR mag in the snow in Japan, they spent a week looking in the snow lol, it was a massive deal, article 15's etc just flying around, they found that magazine lol
I run 8 mags on chest in a Helikon Guardian chest rig and one in the gun unless I am an Automatic rifleman role at which I run coupled 40rd in gun. I have been larping doing flanking drills and at even 1 rd a sec or 2 apart you burn through ammo fast. I run a 6 mag bandolier in assualt or ruck . I retain mags if I can and train that way. I will say if CQB distances or self defense pistol scenarios I drop mags to ground.
Something similar happened when I got the coof. My mint toothpaste tasted like burnt chemicals and my coffee tasted like coffee..but burnt. Took a week longer than my fever to clear up.
I can’t speak to anyone else’s experience, but during my my time in Afghanistan, all field resupplies of ammo to troops in contact were done with ammo boxes filled with loaded Mags. Sometimes when we were on QRF during a rotation to a FOB, there was usually a detail where guys had to fill hundreds of mags in order to avoid troops in contact being resuppplied with stripper clips.
Blue force gear makes a ultra light dump that has worked well for me but to be fair i also think retaining mags on reloads is very "time and place" so alot end up in the dirt
Altough it is a bit of a different situation from the one you are discussing, during the October 7th attacks, there where situations in which even 11 mags where not enough (and surprisingly enough, ammunition capacity was the bottle neck)
Depends on situation... if you're in a defensive posture sure, throw your mags down on the ground. If you're in an aggressive posture, are you planning on going back to find your mags? I've done plenty of night field exercises, in training, trying to retrace my steps to find mags, and yeah, I'd lose one. Typically in an actual fight you won't be going back to retrace your steps. You sure in the hell won't if you're breaking contact. Nobody knows what the future holds but you should be training like you've got limited resources and nobody is coming to save you.
Have tried many dump pouches. First Spear makes the absolute best one. Cinch the shock cord a tittle bit, and the mouth is nice and stiff. Truly one handed.
Pmags are _the_ polymer mags. If you choose to run STANAG mags, like I do, then steel vs aluminum is a debate, but pmags are the absolute best polymer magazines and ramge from cheap to affordable.
the best is reload is the one you dont have to, switching to your sidearm is always faster.... but seriously tho, just get extended magazines and or mag couplers
Outside of CQB and room clearing, I don't see much point in the whole emergency reload fetish, if you're reloading while getting shot at from that close, you're probably boned regardless of your 1.2 second reloads. I ascribe to the idea that if you're in a gunfight and are reloading out of cover, you have really fucked up somewhere along the way. I kinda get the idea of reloading while moving under covering fire, it's not bad in concept, but it's probably more liable to induce fuck ups than taking the extra 3 seconds to reload while stationary, in cover. It also just makes for a potential worst case scenario of an empty gun while being shot at if you have to hit the ground for whatever reason while doing this. I've never needed more than ~5 seconds to reload while retaining the mag, but it does require some kit considerations. I don't use dump pouches for that, they're just too obnoxious, so I reindex mags in pouches up front with kydex inserts, or back into basic double/triple mag pouches on the belt line. That said, it's not difficult to add emergency reloads to the training regiment, I just don't see much point to them, especially those done while standing upright like a fucking target. The most realistic method is to hit the ground as quickly as possible to reduce your chances of getting lit the fuck up, then proceeding to contort seventeen different ways trying to put the thing in the thing that will make the other thing shooting at you stop being a thing. As for the value of mags, eh, I'd rather not lose potentially valuable equipment if the situation may dictate that what I'm carrying is all I've got. But it's also just part of my own preferred technique, I reload the same way the M4A1 is reloaded in the more recent COD games, it just works for me. I've had some rifles that didn't always reliably drop pmags freely, so I wound up just universally using a technique that involved manually retrieving the spent mag, even if I was just ripping it out and tossing it to get back on target. Finally... Stop buying $3 meth piss in a can, shit's awful for you. I switched to gamer supps, the names are goofy as shit, but it's pretty good stuff, like surprisingly good, no jitters or crash. A $40 jar of it lasts me more than a month, and I triple scoop that shit every morning. They send out shitloads of free samples, too.
I remember reading in No Easy Day how Mark Owen took two (2) extra magazines with him on the Bin Laden mission. After having received a Silver Star for the long gun battle he'd been in.
I like to retain all my mags in a dumpy and treat E-reloads as their own beast. I train both, but definitely focus on retention. I really don’t think I’m going to retain a mag if I didn’t need to irl. Hell, sometimes on retention reloads I fumble it and prioritize getting my gun up and ditch a mag.
What do you think of the credo 2-10? I love mine. Pushed it to 650ish and the non parallax wasn’t an issue. Awesome eye relief, solid zero stop, clear Toyota glass 🤘🏻
I'll be honest, not a huge fan passed around 300 yards. I have a pet theory that trijicon can't quite figure out focus right because the credo line is all over the place in terms of focus set.
When it comes down to it you need to be as fast as possible my group time I try to manage when it comes to it is 1.5 seconds per reload you need to be out and in as fast as possible
This may sound crazy but try it. Tell Hop or for yourself assfacts if you have the hiccups that "I do not have hiccups/hiccups do not exist" over and over until they are gone. Within 2 hiccups they are gone for me. Being testing it for 3 months now with 100% success
Update: Red Bull no longer taste piss
:(
I got the opposite problem. My piss tastes like red bull.
“Is it necessary for me to drink piss flavored Red Bull? No, but I do it anyways because it’s sterile & I like the taste”
False
COVID fixed you bro
Yes. Yes it does.
The whole reason we're sponsoring you is because you said you were a doctor during your van interview. I need some answers.
oh... fuck... Uh
I play a doctor on TV, but also IRL is what I meant
Lmao
Did he say he is a Proctologist or a 'Hand Gynecologist'?
He’s just being humble for all us viewers, what a great guy
@venturesurplus you guys rock, great store.
"without mags, all you have is a single shot self ejecting basball bat."
Lol nice
Still better than just a bat
Discussing mag retention is like discussing react to contact: Proximity to the enemy dictates your actions. Both options are valid depending on proximity
Nice
110% but as my teammates before me found out, dumping mags, is stupid.
Somalia taught Delta and Rangers that thinking what you've got will just be replaced is a pipe dream when shit hits the fan.
TIER 1 UNITS doing smash and grab missions are likely to roll in with 3 mags on chest, and one in rifle and drop and send it, but they have QRF locked in, and in many cases speed balls at the ready if things go bad right off the rip.
Operation Gothic Serpent taught the fighting forces, to keep your mags on you, that's where the dup pouch got invented. In SHTF bass pro won't likely be open selling you pmags
We rocked full taps and full set in packs as well as a bandoleer.
If you're gonna carry a gun into a fight, you need to be prepared for a fight
@@WileyE.Coyote-i7cnot saying operators are bad at what they do but I feel like if your a normal Joe like me it would be terrible to actually try and operate like one in terms of shtf because the different variables and values you need to operate by
@@jordendavid8992very true. you ain’t getting resupply
I love a Brass Facts video while time thefting from my boss
F A C T S
REAL ASF
Lol I love cats w hard hats
Everytime. Best place to watch them.
@@TuxPenguino... One might say....
(In Minecraft) High speed reloads are so fleeting that you are probably okay losing that mag. Imo real reloading is done behind cover and with enough time to tuck the empty somewhere
This has been my stance since early 2000s. Totally agree
Yea most reloads are gonna be slow affairs. And in a situation where you need to reload fast you’re probably not also immediately getting the fuck out of doge unless you’re losing. So after you reload and win that fight (because nothing matters anymore if you lose) you could probably just reach down and pick that mag up.
@@indoorkite651 another great point
@@_Art.Vandelay hey look, a guy with experience preaching truth. 8 years, 4 deployments, too many rounds fired to count, zero speed reloads.
Until that time when it's not
>inb4 refer to Ian from FW with the guy during hurricane Katrina.
Don't ditch your magazines, it's unlikely you'll need all of your magazines or ammo but in a situation where you probably won't be able to find more, don't toss them and carry what you can.
I have no idea what you mean by the first line.
@BrassFacts Ian cited the experience of a cop during Katrina who had to wade through floodwater. If he had dropped his mag, it would've vanished into brown-green soup. The lesson (which I personally think is a good one) was to not drop mags that you weren't prepared to lose.
Try living in a ban state where any ‘30’s you lose are completely irreplaceable. Once they’re gone, they’re gone.
If you live in a free state, buy 5x the mags you think you need. Maybe 10x.
@@p51mustang24 *Milkcrates' worth.*
Luckily I retained a bunch of'm when the Army and I parted ways. ETS (final date of duty) was December 2012.
Less than 5 months later CT declared "all the fun things" 'illegal' because _reasons._
@@hateferlifeso does the date of manufacture on the mag have to be 2012 or older to be kosher in CT?
Hop is quickly transforming into the crazy cat lady
Also, for dump pouches, check out the ODGG dump pouch, it doesn’t really take up space because you can mount a couple AR mag pouches inside of it, and those then act as a retainer for any mags in the pouch
Surplus raine tactical dumps the usmc use are great
It’s just part of his lesbian aunt arc. Next he’s getting a Subaru
I just got my ODGG dump pouch a few days ago, it’s actually pretty nice.
I didnt realize he was making stuff under his own name until I saw it has an odgg tag sewn in. It was just an impulse add-on to a surplus bandolier I ordered.
@@Saboteur_91 he's gonna start handing out bedazzled Disney themed patches to the team.
_A P E T O G E T H E R S T R O N G_ 🍌
Was in the middle of typing that’s how RedBull always taste, but you beat me to it 😂
For the Venture surplus bandolier a few things I've found. 1.) You can make pmags work if you use metal mags in tandem. It's tight but I can get it to button with one pmag and one metal mag in each pouch. 2.) They're dirt cheap at 8 bucks so I grabbed a few and loaded them up. I have chest rigs and plate carriers but you know who doesn't? My girlfriend. So now if shtf she has stylish new acu purse that holds 180 rnds
They can fit 2 pmags one has to be up side down and the other right side up
You can do few things with them. I removed button and put velcro on it. Then removed button on lid and open up lid, put opposite sids of velcro. Now you can fit one or two pmags in there. Next I open up entire bandolier and put sof velcro inside, both sides. Now I can put there pistol kydex holster, glock happy stick pouch ( or just put few sticks in main pouch and close it. With velcro lid it fit med kit ,gun range gear etc
@michalbarsfajny4268 that's a solid idea, ill have to break out the sewing machine and some velcro. Or maybe put a toggle there
the other half of the reason why I use metal mags is that they cooperate much more with nylon gear than pmags. But yeah I sometimes do that when I'm training and expect to reload. My training mags are a mismatch of all types of mags.
They can also fit 2 lancer mags fyi
Bro discovered a notch in the mountain specifically designed to perch his rifle 💀
it's what the Vtac barricade is based off of
@@BrassFacts truuuuu
Sorry to hear about Hop’s crippling cat video/meme addiction.
You are enabling it
@@Hoplopfheil well, if I can’t be a solution, why not be an amusing part of a funny problem. 😸
idk where you guys are training but it's a beautiful arma 3 map
yeah, the mormon DLC
@BrassFacts Time to stop training Soldier of Fortune, hit the gym 5x per week, and bag hot Mormon girls with daddy issues. 😂
@@Enjoyer.762 mormon girls are too young for me.
The oldest is like 19.5
@@BrassFacts whelp, guess you're destined for a medicore music career then.
I can never fully commit to any magazine management system. I blame the fact that I never owned Pokemon Blue.
@@MagicPrepper dominate to non dominate side, least full / empty mags to most full mags. So a right handed shooter will always have a full mag in the left most pouch, and any partial or empty mags go on the right most pouches.
Fuck. my lunch break is over in 1 minute
2x speed, go!
Just go sit on the shitter the rest of the day
Last month, I took my Marine Corps vet friend out shooting in the woods. He was really tripped out that us law enforcement types just dropped empty mags on the deck and didn’t stow them like they had been trained. He had 2 legit tours in Iraq with varied grunt missions. He showed me how he used a SAW magazine pouch that fit 10 usgi mags flat side to side across inside. He would draw full mags from the right and empties stowed on the left. It’s an interesting concept and I guess battle proven, I tried it out a little and see the benefits. Old surplus saw pouches have stiffeners in them and are a good multipurpose pouch in general for a battle larp build.
From a military logistics standpoint 30 round boxes of 5.56 is a lot more compact and stackable than preloaded mags, especially so now that we're fully switched over to gen3 pmags (in the USMC at least). Last I checked standard rifleman have 7 loaded mags on their person, IAR gunners have an additional 14-17 loaded mags in their pack for a total of 21-24. Team leaders and Squad leaders don't shoot as much so they can quickly hand off loaded mags as well. It's pretty rare for a rifleman to have a chance to shoot that many rounds without a chance to plus up mags while behind cover. We practice quickly loading rounds by hand so it doesn't take long to top off a mag or two during lull or while waiting at a phase line. I've had to strip rounds from damaged mags to load my good mags back when we were still using metal mags and it didn't take very long at all. Not ideal, but in a military context it's pretty realistic. In a TEOTWAWKI scenario if you have a team it could be feasible too but given you'd be operating from a fixed location if you want to survive pack space won't be as tight so it's a lot easier to just load a whole bunch of loaded mags. Infantry concerns would be a lot more similar to nomads than 99% of people that are prepared for a disaster/collapse and have a MAG.
The issue with just buying more mags is that I sadly live in a crap state that has mag bans (theres ways around it just not easy access at the local gunshop)
I always retain my mags because I shoot a Mini-14 and mags are $30 a pop 😂😭
*cries in scar heavy * 😔
😂 they used to be $50
There are plenty of times you say something that is much more casual than other training guys will put out and at first I always wonder if you have some watered down opinion but the more I think about it the more I realize that you’re talking in a context where that one specific event is not everyone’s lives. I appreciate that.
Babe come quick new Ass Facts just dropped
For the record, in the US a soldier or marine can be exposed to various forms of punishment if they come back to the FOB with a missing magazine. This is one of the reasons GWOT era soldiers have been documented reloading with retention in CQB.
I'd say that really depends on your unit and i was in a few shitty ones but that was never an issue for me. We just left them. Not worth fuckin with. One unofficial practice we had in sandy land is taking bad mags and running them over with a truck. The reason was the lazy pukes in supply would just re issue the bad ones and everybody got sick of it so if its crunched they had to DX it and give you a new one. That being said one unit i was in gave me a statement of charges for a set of clear safety glasses i lost.
It's funny they were so big on that because, in my limited experience, the standard-issue GI pouches aren't very easy to restow a magazine in.
@@sheldoniusRex it’s because we only deployed with so many mags, if you drop em all we literally can’t fight anymore.
@@lukerope1906 you are never speed loading IRL. You have a squad they cover you, take the extra 5 seconds to retain your mag, and hit a solid reload.
Points well taken, but I still think mag retention is important regardless of the low $$ cost. A good GI trick for speedy mag retention is to stuff the empty/partial mag into your field blouse via the neck hole. It doesn't require fine motor skills like trying to index the mag back into a pouch. It allows you to keep your hands in your "work area" instead of going down to your belt line to dump the mag in a dump punch or hip pocket.
Also: I'm not sure about reloading in the midst of making a tactical movement in a firefight. I see your/your team's logic for doing so, but I'm not sure how well it would play out in a "two-way firing range."
I was taught to reload from cover, and when you have to move, focus on moving and make it quick (pick a route, "I'm up, he sees me, I'm down, etc.). If you're being engaged, I don't know if it's ideal to bog your movement down with admin tasks while you're in a vulnerable state, i.e. leaving cover and exposing yourself to enemy observation/fire however brief.
Just my 2¢ for what it's worth haha. I understand where y'all are coming from though.
It's actually a SOP in some units, which is where I got it from. You're running at near full speed, you're just multi tasking the new mag in. as your sliding/leaving cover.
“The likelihood of needing more then one reload is unlikely” love this, you want to avoid a fight in SHTF, community is the strongest weapon.
After years of courses and training involved speed reloads, reloads with retention, etc., I've come down to this:
-I practice one way to get the empty mag out, new mag in, ASAP. I don't bother about keeping empties, or retaining.
-I will probably have 5 mags, 4 and one in the well. I'm prepared to lose all 5.
-I have big stashes of mags at, and around, my place. I will go and get some more, if need be. I have no intention of roaming the wasteland engaging in firefights.
-As I've said here before, I am not going to "fight like a soldier". I believe that's a losing proposition.
The always retain magazines during a reload SOP started in GWOT because magazines were being rigged with explosive traps by insurgents. Troops would speed reload (aka emergency reloads) and come back to pick up their mags 5-20 minutes later and they'd get their hands blown off, or even lose their lives depending on the size of the charge. Whereas there were little to no records of Marines being wounded or killed because of a reload being half a second too slow. Granted we practiced both speed and tac reloads as should everyone. We started to move to a middle ground of situation dictates and if you drop the mag, you or a buddy behind you will pick it up before leaving the area so there's no chance for it to be sabotaged.
I thought that started in Nam. The disposable magazines (which was the original intention of those aluminum 20s) became immediately reusable once the real world hit.
@@buff34x it’s because AR mags arnt cheap and easy to find in afghan
@@GWOTalchem @AlovelyBunchOfDragonballz I should probably have clarified better that I meant retaining the magazine during a reload even if it was on bolt lock back in the middle of an engagement. So effectively you would only do a tac reload even in times we'd typically train to do a speed reload. I edited my original comment to hopefully make that more clear. I'm not aware of any unit leaving mags behind and intentionally not coming back for them being an SOP in GWOT but that doesn't mean that some units might have done it for some reason. In Vietnam, and in WWII the US military tried the whole disposable magazine thing and it didn't work then either. I'm not sure if other nations have tried it too but I know it's never worked. The only chance I see that changing would be if something like the G11 somehow revived from the grave and their crumbly caseless ammo that required special training and tools to not break apart while loading into a magazine became mass issued. Realistically if caseless ammo ever took off I doubt it would be as fragile as that attempt so even then the disposable magazine doesn't have much of a future.
@@buff34x 8 years, 4 deployments, lots of rounds shot, zero speed reloads from bolt lock. Speed reloads themself are a fantasy and instagram high light post.
When exactly are you doing this high speed close distance speed reload? Inside a room? You won’t have time to reload much less retain the mag lol.
How it actually goes, is you just grab some cover, your squad covers your fires, you reload and retain the mag, you return to the gun fight.
If your like walking down a hallway, and a bad guy jumps out, and your gun goes, click. Your either bailing out so your squad can shoot him, or your charging him to close the distance before he shoots you. No one is doing any speed reloads it’s a complete fantasy.
@GWOTalchem I'm pretty sure we're mostly in agreement. One of my key points was that there's almost no record of Marines being wounded or killed because of reloading slightly too slow. There were records of Marines losing hands to rigged mags that were left behind because for a time some units were focused on the fastest possible reloads no matter what because they figured they could always come back for the mags. Statistically, speed reloads would typically be done in a defensive position like a fighting hole or urban PB when being attacked, and when enemies would counter attack in the middle of clearing contested buildings. Not to say speed reloads happened often, but when they did happen, it was usually in those situations. Hence, the SOP to retain mags 100% of the time, and then shifting to 90-99% of the time with a buddy there to grab it for you in that 1-10% of the time. If you want to be a good rifleman, you should practice both to some degree. Just as most fire fights occur within 300 meters, you should train to shoot further.
I like the Defense Mechanisms dump pouch. stows away nice and neat, has a quick deployment strap on the bottom of the pouch when stowed, and can be mounted underneath other pouches so it doesn’t take up molle space. It does have downside tho. Specifically, the bag itself is not very rigid & is made of the same material as a windbreaker. Although when rolled up it is protected by a thick nylon cover, but is retained by Velcro inside that nylon. Served me good in my larps with the boys.
@BrassFacts Pro tip! If you want your taste back when dealing with the big C sickness, gargle alcohol mouthwash for 7 to 10 days while sick, and taste/smell will return.
Nicotine in gum will return taste and smell. Brass fact!
Brassfacts Friday 🎉🎉🎉🎉
snakebite friday
@@BrassFacts it's your show. I'm only an audience member
@@snakebite210Are you sure about that?
I took a pistol and rifle class taught by an early GWOT seal and he had a short blurb about training scars.
Basically after firefights guys would be dumping mags out of their shirts and stuff that they didn't remember putting there.
Turns out a bunch of them use to tuck mags into their shirts on the range so they didn't have to pick them up later. When they got into a firefight they automatically tucked the mag into their shirt.
lmao, reminds me of a similar anecdote about revolver reloads.
@@BrassFacts
The Newhall Ambush?
When it comes to dump pouches I've found I prefer the thicker walled and larger volume than the "more sleek and packable" options. I also run it on my non dominant side of either a belt or a PC at 8-9 O'clock. If I'm running a larger pack I'm much more likely to run a war belt than a duty belt so it has some play in it, which makes it easier to use the waist strap on the bag. The issued USMC dump pouch also had a draw string inside a thick rigid wide top so you could have it open, or tightened a little as you prefer which was a nice touch. I am yet to have that pouch both while active, and now while civilian shooter snag on anything. I really think the smaller compact dump pouches are at best super niche, and worst a little gimmicky. I also could see them being more likely to spill mags out when mounted as a dangler, but work better as an admin pouch there than most admin pouch danglers.
The fact that I randomly follow the same cat accounts as Hop is funny to me
These are my favorite types of videos, just explaining ideas and opinions that you have tested to the best of your abilities.
Something I would like to see that no one has made on RUclips yet is “best piggyback dots”. Any comparisons I find are always on pistols. Whenever I want to get something for my rifle/kit I tend to spend at minimum a month making sure I know everything about the product I can before buying. My current fixation has been finding a top dot for my lpvo. I was 90% sold on a 509tx2 and then I found out about the sig Romeo x enclosed. It’s like $100 more but I can direct mount it to a dpp plate instead of needing an adapter for the 509t. With the rmr hd and the enclosed one now being acro priced I have no interest in buying them for $700+.
Would be cool to get your input on this, while I don’t care for enclosed on my pistol I do want my rifle top dot enclosed. I’m way more likely to get that all shitted up than my pistol.
Sorry lotta words
yeah, I'll probably discuss it in a upcoming acog video
Through a lot of BB warz, my method has been drop it on the floor to get back in the fight ASAP, then grab it off the ground and dump pouch/reindex it when I get a chance, rather than retaining immediately. Obviously if I have to change cover right away I have to come back later, but being suppressed means time to grab my mag so that's pretty rare.
Always include the dog clips at the end. Good video, I always struggle to find a better place for empty mags then my back pocket.
I've found several good dump pouches that have a big elastic butthole over the opening and that is my preferred option if possible. It means you gotta do a little more work in the moment, it's less dumping and more shoving, and you still have to do the dance sometimes to settle them in. However you can be confident that whatever goes in stays in, unless maybe if you're doing cartwheels or you've been strung up by your ankles b-movie villain style, in which case all your gear belongs to them now anyway and it's a moot point.
"big elastic over the butthole"
lmao.
I've been playing PvE tarkov. No wipes and no worries about cheaters or falling behind in PvP progression because I have a job. Please send me screwdrivers for my weekly quest.
Also red bull is pretty good but that's coming from a guy who drank water and took caffeine pills before.
I got hop into playing PVE tarkov, since I think PVP tarkov would have him rage way to much.
Tarkov is my favorite game that I will never play again. Great fun though.
@@BrassFactsyou guys need to stream Zomboid together w the rest of nova group. It’d be hilarious
Thanks for this. I probably won't really use most of this info because, like you said, the subject is fairly personal but it's nice to see a different perspective on it.
Yo cheers brother. i appreciate the practical tactical philosophy, no fluff.
I like the Edgar Sherman dump pouch so far. Sort of modeled after a rock climbing chalk bag, stays open but retains mags well.
That Hop rant is the biggest revisionist history lie I have ever heard. 100% just made that up to try and justify spending all day looking at cat pics lmao
Yay (Br)ass facts for SHTF while SHTT. I won’t be lacking mags soon. Looking how to carry it is my next step. (In game) Convenient timing of video👍
I love you, AssFacts.
I thought it was AssFax
Good video. Thanks! I like your reasoning. I've carried a gun professionally for my entire adult life and I've come to the same conclusions as you. Will admit though, I have a 200 round battle pack in my go bag as a plus up to the 16 mags I have in there. Reloading mags is obviously not ideal but it's there as a less weight/bulk addition to add ammo to the bag.
16 mags?
@@markrichards7452 yeah, I'm referring to my personal go bag, not my work bag. I use my personal bag as my competition bag as well, so I run it pretty ammo heavy.
Man... Have you ever considered marrying Hop? The amount of rambling and in head scenarios have reached maximum tisim...
Hop is a voice in my head. He's not actually really.
@@BrassFactsI am here to deliver your newly prescribed shizophrenia pills
@@BrassFacts wait, hops not real?
Then whos walls have I been living in??
Truth is you had a stroke two years ago, hit your head while falling and you haven't been the same since... In your sane moments you realise you are in a mental hospital. Some days you even seem to make progress. But on other days you talk about how you live in the walls of some lesbian aunt none of your relatives knows, cats, bullpups.
Glad to see jealous bundles of sticks up in here
Moved away from dump pouches and getting pretty good at replacing partials with fresh mags. As for empty’s in a gunfight im totally for just ditching them if you have too. That being said with belt kit at least the waist strap kinda acts like tucking your shirt and if you can just drop mags down your shirt. Pretty well retained and can easily fit like 6 empty’s if you wanted
A self-proclaimed "chump ass civilian" - that seems to be a surprisingly honest assessment.
The military has magazine retention so drilled into me that I almost lost it when you said "leave them in the dirt". But tbh, I understand that.
I keep my personal ammo stored in cheap (free) steel mags that duh gubment don't use no moh. So irl if shtf I'd probably do the same thing, or try to, my muscle memory is hundreds of thousands of reps doing retention reloads.
Operators leave them in the dirt. Different rules I suppose.
@@BlackDogOriginal Different jobs, different SOPs.
I’ll subscribe after you post two brass opinion videos in a row I agree with, it’s at zero currently
@@BlackDogOriginalsome guy (idk his name) from GBRS was saying dump pouches were dumb because "we had conex boxes of magazines". Different strokes for different levels of funding I suppose.
Wow! More brass facts! Awesome !
If you're looking for a good dump pouch the USMC surplus is grate. There about $12 and roll up small.
What I've seen from Ukraine is 3+1 mags being very popular for raiding trenches and the like. From what I have heard, they usually also have more mags elsewhere but 3+1 is expected to enough for quick access.
Now, how much of that is logistics of a military + drones + fire support + reinforcements + everything else that comes with being in a military? I'm not sure. It may be that these attacks are intended to be the first dudes in, so they clear out what they can and make room for everyone else who has a heavier kit to finish sweeping the area. Since they are only expected to get a foothold, they aren't going to be fighting for fire superiority with suppressive fire, they are going to be shooting individual people who are responding to gunshots or who are unfortunate enough to not realize they are the ingress point. These are just guesses though.
Fun fact……bandoleers will hold 6 PMAGS, two per slot. Add a new female snap on the cover, easy, peasy, magazine squeezy!
Im a big fan of stowable dump pouches. I have a tactical tailor dump pouch that stows basically flat, my friend runs one from flatline fiber co that has 2x2 molle field where it attatches on the belt, and you can mount something there if need be.
Would you ever make a video discussing why you’d generally not carry a sidearm on you when using a chest rig?
yeah one day.
I like the direct action pouch. It has ways to mount both on molle and belt. But also has laser mount molle for a m4 pouch
10:45 he up brassin his facts 🥺
Tarkov is a rather interesting test bed for sustainment and weapon/gear management, especially at the concerned/prepared/dirty civilian level.
But as far as gear goes, the lessons I learned just by using my gear in airsoft was:
1) 3 mags on a rig is a joke for anything but a simple 1v1 encounter.
2) Dump pouches are great, and finding a good one is difficult.
3) Packing "loose" ammo into mags is a pain in the dick. Just bring extra mags.
The best two dump pouches I've used are the TRex, and ODGG pouch. Ran the TRex for years, but often found shortcomings with it. Picked up the ODGG one recently, and I think it's the best one on the market currently.
Been running into the same issue with the t. Rex wallaby. I’ll have to check out the other one you mentioned
You can make chest rig from bandolier. You just need that rubber rope with hooks at the end
I have the Blackhawk dump pouch... Its 'decent', but I rarely actually wear it, as I haven't put in the time to figure out where I want it to live long term...
But its heavier material that somewhat holds its basic shape (much better than the ones made from very thin and flimsy nylon fabric), reinforced opening, and can roll up and has a little Velcro strap to hold it rolled, when not in use.
We don't deserve dogs bro, I'm glad you have Nova
I have a couple of shoulder type bags, could call them satchel’s! They can hold 6 30 rd AR mags. A plus is that they can also hold 30 rd glock mags, yes they can hold 12 of those great for the guy who is keen on pcc’s, like me!😅
Those GI 6 mag bandoleers will fit P mags with some stretching and a heat gun with the magazine base plate staggard.
I throw empty in my dump pouch if permitted lol otherwise they stay on the ground till it's clear overseas I won't lie I may have left a few mags in the sand/woods but when you are with a group of people we never really had to worry about running out also sometimes every single second counts
Everything you're doing is sound. It mirrors a lot of what I've done in both light and armored infantry. I got to the point after a while where i stopped wearing more than 3 mags on my chest. The rest would go in my bag if we're rucking or in armor, and they'd go on my belt and in specialized pockets on my pants if we're on target or doing short movements.
My shtf loadout? Swim trunks, unbuttoned pink hawaiian shirt, aviators, flip flops, straw hat and a m134 minigun, with the ammo pack on a radio flyer wagon.
I clicked for BrassFacts.
I got excited for Assfacts.
A friends unit lost a loaded AR mag in the snow in Japan, they spent a week looking in the snow lol, it was a massive deal, article 15's etc just flying around, they found that magazine lol
I run 8 mags on chest in a Helikon Guardian chest rig and one in the gun unless I am an Automatic rifleman role at which I run coupled 40rd in gun. I have been larping doing flanking drills and at even 1 rd a sec or 2 apart you burn through ammo fast. I run a 6 mag bandolier in assualt or ruck . I retain mags if I can and train that way. I will say if CQB distances or self defense pistol scenarios I drop mags to ground.
Something similar happened when I got the coof. My mint toothpaste tasted like burnt chemicals and my coffee tasted like coffee..but burnt. Took a week longer than my fever to clear up.
Those bandoleers can hold 6 pmags. You have to put them in with one normal and one flipped. It's a tight fit.
I can’t speak to anyone else’s experience, but during my my time in Afghanistan, all field resupplies of ammo to troops in contact were done with ammo boxes filled with loaded Mags. Sometimes when we were on QRF during a rotation to a FOB, there was usually a detail where guys had to fill hundreds of mags in order to avoid troops in contact being resuppplied with stripper clips.
Blue force gear makes a ultra light dump that has worked well for me but to be fair i also think retaining mags on reloads is very "time and place" so alot end up in the dirt
Nova is the best part of your videos.
Yay, maybe I should get a dump-pouch
Altough it is a bit of a different situation from the one you are discussing, during the October 7th attacks, there where situations in which even 11 mags where not enough (and surprisingly enough, ammunition capacity was the bottle neck)
Depends on situation... if you're in a defensive posture sure, throw your mags down on the ground. If you're in an aggressive posture, are you planning on going back to find your mags? I've done plenty of night field exercises, in training, trying to retrace my steps to find mags, and yeah, I'd lose one. Typically in an actual fight you won't be going back to retrace your steps. You sure in the hell won't if you're breaking contact. Nobody knows what the future holds but you should be training like you've got limited resources and nobody is coming to save you.
Up until 40 seconds in I thought this episode was going to be about Recoil and Concealment.
Have tried many dump pouches. First Spear makes the absolute best one. Cinch the shock cord a tittle bit, and the mouth is nice and stiff. Truly one handed.
magazine tier list when? Been switching over to Lancers from PMAGs because they're so lightweight.
PMAGs are more reliable and durable...
Gen 3 Pmags are really the only one to bother with. Lancers are cool but less durable overall.
Pmags are _the_ polymer mags.
If you choose to run STANAG mags, like I do, then steel vs aluminum is a debate, but pmags are the absolute best polymer magazines and ramge from cheap to affordable.
4:40 me knowing i help contribute to this cat problem😊
Always enjoy your vids
the best is reload is the one you dont have to, switching to your sidearm is always faster.... but seriously tho, just get extended magazines and or mag couplers
Outside of CQB and room clearing, I don't see much point in the whole emergency reload fetish, if you're reloading while getting shot at from that close, you're probably boned regardless of your 1.2 second reloads. I ascribe to the idea that if you're in a gunfight and are reloading out of cover, you have really fucked up somewhere along the way. I kinda get the idea of reloading while moving under covering fire, it's not bad in concept, but it's probably more liable to induce fuck ups than taking the extra 3 seconds to reload while stationary, in cover. It also just makes for a potential worst case scenario of an empty gun while being shot at if you have to hit the ground for whatever reason while doing this.
I've never needed more than ~5 seconds to reload while retaining the mag, but it does require some kit considerations. I don't use dump pouches for that, they're just too obnoxious, so I reindex mags in pouches up front with kydex inserts, or back into basic double/triple mag pouches on the belt line. That said, it's not difficult to add emergency reloads to the training regiment, I just don't see much point to them, especially those done while standing upright like a fucking target. The most realistic method is to hit the ground as quickly as possible to reduce your chances of getting lit the fuck up, then proceeding to contort seventeen different ways trying to put the thing in the thing that will make the other thing shooting at you stop being a thing.
As for the value of mags, eh, I'd rather not lose potentially valuable equipment if the situation may dictate that what I'm carrying is all I've got. But it's also just part of my own preferred technique, I reload the same way the M4A1 is reloaded in the more recent COD games, it just works for me. I've had some rifles that didn't always reliably drop pmags freely, so I wound up just universally using a technique that involved manually retrieving the spent mag, even if I was just ripping it out and tossing it to get back on target.
Finally... Stop buying $3 meth piss in a can, shit's awful for you. I switched to gamer supps, the names are goofy as shit, but it's pretty good stuff, like surprisingly good, no jitters or crash. A $40 jar of it lasts me more than a month, and I triple scoop that shit every morning. They send out shitloads of free samples, too.
I remember reading in No Easy Day how Mark Owen took two (2) extra magazines with him on the Bin Laden mission. After having received a Silver Star for the long gun battle he'd been in.
dude my lunch break just ENDED
fuck, I let you down
@@BrassFacts it's OK.... we all have those days sometimes
estacc makes a nice dump pouch, rolls up and ties with velcro.
I like to retain all my mags in a dumpy and treat E-reloads as their own beast. I train both, but definitely focus on retention. I really don’t think I’m going to retain a mag if I didn’t need to irl. Hell, sometimes on retention reloads I fumble it and prioritize getting my gun up and ditch a mag.
Really enjoyed, very helpful, thanks
You have a 365 raider review in the works?
yes
Ah, dump pouches...
"1911 mag, twinkie, twinkie, cup cake, primary weapon magazine. Oh, there it is." 😀
You ever get your hands on a 6.8SPCii rifle with the correct loaded ammo? It seems a match made in heaven for the style of content you make over 5.56
What do you think of the credo 2-10? I love mine. Pushed it to 650ish and the non parallax wasn’t an issue. Awesome eye relief, solid zero stop, clear Toyota glass 🤘🏻
I'll be honest, not a huge fan passed around 300 yards. I have a pet theory that trijicon can't quite figure out focus right because the credo line is all over the place in terms of focus set.
@@BrassFacts don’t even know why I asked, or cared for you opinion. Go to your eye doctor
That reload at 1:42 is 🤌🏻
Come for the discourse, stay for Nova sweetie baby darling 😭
Asking again for the backing song you use in all of your videos Brass Facts
When it comes down to it you need to be as fast as possible my group time I try to manage when it comes to it is 1.5 seconds per reload you need to be out and in as fast as possible
I love u ass facts but for TLDR: don’t retain magazines in combat
100USD for a PMAG in Brazil. 😢
This may sound crazy but try it. Tell Hop or for yourself assfacts if you have the hiccups that "I do not have hiccups/hiccups do not exist" over and over until they are gone. Within 2 hiccups they are gone for me. Being testing it for 3 months now with 100% success