@@mdsmatheus Plus its not like the video offers any solutions. Especially when the complaint is about long queue times AND high mmr differences, where it will always be a balance between the two.
@@punzer true, but the main problem right now is Valve's lack of attention to the problems. Personally, I think immortal draft has potential to be good, they just need to iron out some issues, not necessarily find entirely new solutions. And in theory, the more awareness there is to the issues Valve need to iron out, the more pressure they'll feel to actually do something, so the video does address that.
@@mdsmatheus but it's important to make this environment that the 3% play in to feel worth it to aim for to the rest of the playerbase. It's really not good for the game, competitively and otherwise, to lose it's best players because of such things.
Problem with immortal drafts affects all players. I dont really know why author havent explianed it, but basicaly the problem is that actual good players just stop playing when reaching Immortal. Why? Because of all the clusterfuck. I got my Immortal 4 years ago, havent played a single game there(Except calibration) on purpose. Just drop my acc and go on smurf, since I dont want to experience that shit.
The game is literally depressing right now! I mean in what mind did valve made the immortal draft to allow a 5k guy get matched with 8k players!! Wintraders, one hero spammers, acc buyers in literally every second game!!! On top of that the meta sooo ass!! I miss the days when I actually used to have fun playing the game 😢...
Immortal player here. Adding double down to immortal rank queue where party players can end up on opposite teams was a grave mistake. And you cannot know that you have a rat in the team or just an accbuyer until the game ends so you wouldn’t at least rely on them. You cannot kick the player even if you know that he is a rat. Also natures prophet flying to enemy base and dying before the game starts so the game counts is just absurd. People can easily win trade 60+ mmr in 2 minutes which makes reaching immortal draft actually harmful to player experience. And this whole thing just makes you feel depressed because you have no control over situation whatsoever. Deranking so you get out of immortal draft is also shit because you become smurf and ruin experience for other players
Once I got to Immortal I had to quit playing ranked because the games got absolutely horrible. Every single game somebody smurfs, griefs, afk, dc, scripts you name it
the last one where people dc and then it's safe to leave made me stop playing for 1 month or so, i was playing against some cocky ember and his friends they were winning for about 40 mins we won one fight went straight for throne he bb died again and noone else had bb and they use this shit made me rage so hard scummy piece of shit and i couldn't even report him the game was nowhere to be found/
@@gungrave10 the game crashed , it threw us out tried to log in could not then it disappeard completly not even in the archives of my previous games could be found
@@gungrave10 it crashed threw us out main menu and the option to reconnect or abandon. Try it to reconnect after few fail attempts to connect said safe to leave and then it disappeared not even in my game history could not be found. Like it never happened weird shit
Icefrog doesnt care at all, he will just update the matchmaking system in a way that makes it worse and just say that they did change it and worked on it so their job is done. Icefrog has been doing such a lazy and poor job on this game in the last years which is ridicolous that he is still employed.
I quit last month because I keep getting the worst possible teams, 1 game out of 36 matches was without someone griefing/trolling. As a support with little impact to actually winning when game gets past 30 min, it was too much for me.
I don't like turbo for the reason couriers are uncontrollable and only moves when havin any amount of items in backpack and trasferrin move to owner of that courier, the trollin of using this courier begins when some player disconnects, the other player starts buying the cheapest items from vendors filling the courier backpack and start doing the infinite loop of goin and going back to base to repeat the same process tranfering again and again
I stopped it because of cheating i even reported match id also here on yt there are some matches you would find at Gingo and others but the main issue i had was the drafts and the matchmaking algorithm for example when my communication score was at peak i am able to win atleast 3 games out of five and by winning i mean i am able to win the game in addition to having good team coordination and good teammates but at some point i lost my behavior score and comunication score and not once actually many times over the last year so what i concluded was that with low score i wasn't even able to play a normal match in my legend bracket at that time which translates to that i was loosing 4 out of 5 daily games! Now i am crusader and i stoped playing it i got comunicayion svore 10 on both ends with behavior!
People don’t seem to understand that players, especially pro players will complain no matter what. Dota players are the worst kind of players out there, and high rank players are the worst among them. Sometimes I think Valve got tired of their constant bitching and decided to screw with them on purpose xD
@@DippitydeeI think there is so many bad people in this game because it's so many people actually playing it. Game is free and can be played on a trash pc. More people = more good AND bad people. And we are paying attention to only the ones who are loud and angry and bad. Sry for my bad English.
@@Nikita40000 I also think part of the problem is their Free to Play model, but for a different reason. For me the problem has always been the community. Dota community is very passionate, and it causes most of the toxicity. Valve for sure could be doing a much better job, but if you think about it, every time Valve comes up with a fix, the community finds a way to abuse it. And there is no accountability because any player can just buy a new account. Maybe if the game was $10 then there’d be fewer smurfs, accbuyers and cheaters, but Valve’s business model for Dota doesn’t allow it I guess
@@Dippitydeeif people are buying accounts anyway, paying more will mean less people pay, but it will likely do more harm to general playerbase. So unless everyone playing before the change gets a free copy, loss of players will be greater than loss of abusers, so it will feel worse. And if everyone does get a free copy, it's a payday for account farms. So I don't think just adding a box price will change things for the better. Hardware bans and other ways of punishing people changing accounts can help, however. Problem there is minimizing false positives.
Sometimes we realised the game is like a broken ship but we know from our heart spent thousands of hours into hour ship and we can’t just let it sink in the bottom of the sea we still stay in it and trying to save it because of the memories we had
Even if only affect 3% of Dota players, I think in fact it affect to every ranked player, cuz our goal is get inmortal rank, if not there is unranked for the ppl don't care, so at the end of the day, even if we never gonna get inmortal rank, it affect us indirectly cuz is our goal, right? So Valve should do sth, I think the best is just made balanced teams in terms of MMR without doing this wired stuff, practically like before, or sth similar. I clarify that this is MY OPINION, nothing more than that.
So a couple of things. I am an immortal player but retired. These days has been a disaster for me to play with my friends and people tell me to not throw games or lose games on purpose to derank. It would only cause me to be a "Smurf" to the lower ranks and get my account banned. I don't know if that's true. Anyways let's just say when valve resetted all the ranks I was divine 1. I won 9 games and lost 11 and guess what my rank was. Top 1500. Everything Blitz said was undoubtedly correct. I was lead to believe that being in high ranks means you're good and that was my aim ever since I was herald 1. I only played heros I enjoy and avoid the meta every game. But now I am stuck in immortal and I can't get out of it. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news to everyone but if you are planning to be an immortal player just forget it. It's not a good idea and I am a prime example
@@nado1908 Unranked is just as bad, if one person, for example @gustlizer7993, is high immortal and his friends are average legend players, you can still get placed into completely uneven matches with the entire enemy team being all immortal sweatlords. Meaning it makes the game unplayable as your friends are completely outmatched and you having to play so sweaty as to even have the slightest chance of winning.
@@ASH-su6nb 17 hours queue time: "I dont understand why people dont play the unranked verison of this super competitive game while it wastes all their time"
It's been years we have this problem with mmr, the same for many other things so no it's not gonna change and they're gonna kill this game at this rythm
@@eren.123- yeah im surprised cs2 and dota 2 are even esports with how janked their matchmaking and ranking systems are... not to mention the anti cheat or lack there of... lmao.
Thats why i love pokemon unite now, it's chaotic and since i'm top tier player i have a winrate above 70% most of the seasons xD they recently implemented draft but its not soooooo bad, i still preferred the chaos of all pick mirror matches and fuck it, you try to balance so much you end up with this dota crap
It is all a matter of perspective. I've been playing League of Legends since season 1 and I came to Dota about 10 months ago and I'm surprised how much better in quality Dota is compared to League of Legends.
same, played it since early days of dota allstars, over 8k games on dota 2 alone and probably more in wc3, I have not played once in the last two years, not even installed atm, only still watching some content creators and the internationals sometimes and that is it, I miss it but it had already changed too much for me years ago, like they fucked up big time most my prefered heros and the general pace of the game.
i don't think it gets much worse in high immortal. you have a chance to be in a match with an actual pro player and this is very exciting sometimes. Immortal draft is fine, valve just has to separate party queue from solo queue again to avoid these win tradings, split up parties etc.
You can complain as much as you want, but there is no solution to this problem simply because THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH IMMORTAL PLAYERS... Not enough players even in Archon or Legend rank which is MEDIAN, I don't even wanna talk about Immortal rank which is EXTREME. Ofcourse rank 50 player is forced to play with rank 1000 because at the time he is queing THERE ARE NO RANK 51 100, 150 OR 200 RANK PLAYER, AND YOU ARE ASKING FOR FUNCTIONAL AVOID BUTTON, ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR FN MIND? Who are you gonna play with??Immortals are really smart for dota but so dumb irl. We need more players. And full rank reset. New Ranking event, idk, something everyone will talk about.
well, then properly punishing griefers would be a nice enough solution right? Yet it's not happening, or is it also about "well if we ban him, who would be left to play"? Cuz your point about avoid button makes sense. But saying there's no solution to this is wrong. There's a solution - proper punishment system. Avoid button was implemented for people to be able to avoid griefers or clowns at the first place since, well, apparently punishment system in game is not amazing. If it was good, there would ve never been a need for that "avoid button" at all. That's about it. In regard to matchmaking itself - u re also right about that. There's no way for matchmaking to be good at top ranks, when there's simply a lack of players. Here you really can't fix much. Like there's a simple example. LoL. Now, i am not here to compare games (which is better etc) i am not that clown, but LoL did a decently good job compared to Dota at that department. There're still griefers ofc, but when it comes to "elite" divisions, it's natural the amount of players there is not huge (lets say grandmaster/challenger) matchmaking, so blatant griefers cases are handled manually if system fails to detect some kind of "soft-inting" "soft-griefing". Well, and if u get banned by a system mistake, then your ban will also get manually lifted by support which is quite fast to respond. And reports do actually matter (unless u're reporting literally everyone, then system just considers u a salty loser). Riot is surely a big company with tons of money to afford additional staff to handle that, but don't tell me Valve is a small indie-company. LoL has a different problem - their "verbal abuse" report, which can get you banned for even things which were not intended as insults or anything. But that's easily avoidable, when u get punished once and you see how it works. But when it comes to griefers, i'd say it's very noticable how at top lvl the amount of griefing or general clownish attitude is significantly lower compared to Dota. To sum it up: when people are crying out for "avoid button" to be there in immortal, it's a cleaaaar indication that punishment system is not working as intended, cuz this button should ve never been in dota plus at the first place.
Valve isn’t oblivious to whats happening, they just dont care, you can look at TF2 with much of the same concerns. Valve doesnt care about their games.
The MMR drafting reminded me of moneyball for some reason but instead of trying to make a better team on paper you make a worst team to to deinflate your value to maximize your winnings and minimize losses.
can confirm, immortal draft is some of the worse dota matchmaking i played, and i played pre ranking system when you could run into a five man stack as a solo player.
I'm 8k mmr player and for the last half year I played around 100 ranked matches on Europe region. Most of the problems are not as common as they may be seen. For all my games, I never encountered any form of game crashing. Only once I saw party players being picked on different sides, and they just complained about it, but played fair. Mmr difference on lower ranks are not that bad, in most of my games players were within 1000 mmr range relative to each other. And let's be real, the difference between 14k mmr and 11k mmr is not the same as between 5k and 2k. Immortal was introduced to improve search time for high mmr games, since there are great imbalance in terms of roles. Players even started played non-role-based matchmaking just to improve search time. And for the same reason, dodge list is not working there. I mean, the problems exists and should be fixed, but I don't think removing immortal draft or banning party queue will fix them all. I think the problem in barely working report system, when obvious griefer not banned even after few ruined games in a row.
thanks for bringing up the issue. I think immortal draft could work if the report system actually did something with griefers. Role queue is the best mode of all though.
I’ve had people solo queue but they on the same discord and if they end up on different teams, one guy will just throw the game intentionally so the other can win.
I think every gap has its cons. I am a forever crusader and my games are intense cuz there are usually smurfs and people who just dont lnow the objectives. Cores never joining fights/pushes etc. Frustrating. But I believe this high rank problem is much more depressing.
If you still play dota, just don't play ranked, much more fun, much less stress, if you win it still feels good, when you lose it doesn't feel as bad, just better than ranked abomination. If ranked player base drops drastically, volvo will do something or at least try.
MMR has lost its meaning after they introduced party queue. The number of boosted players is unreal, and since we don't have any global recalibration, the MMR/skill gap is insanely high.
Damn this dude’s pulling 50-100k views per video on ded gaem, that’s no cap pretty impressive. Most watchers are probably just on twitch or only watch tourney highlights, you’ve got great content man
I didnt know about this bug 6:40. I was doing a comeback and it was minute 40, suddenly enemy carry diesback (because tilted) then suddenly dcs with his teammate, it made the game become safe to leave.
In Peru you can buy a Legend account for $15 so yeah, in South America the ranked system means nothing. 50% of the games are over before the 10 minute mark
The lower the rank, the more fun i have in games. I played few times in herald braket from smurf acc and now i'm on the way to drop my mmr, because people on 0-1000 mmr are the most fun to play WITH and AGAINST.
@@radone469 I am sorry to hear that. I left DoTA2 for 5 years and just starting out again, with the new events and anything. Enjoy what you're enjoying right now then. Glhf.
this is called libertarism. Valve is restricting liberty of players with new systems to avoid negative gameplay, but the community wants other things (smurfing, cheating, etc)… so they try to apply new rules to stop it, like immortal draft... but they can't and they won't be able to. so the lesson is this: You can't stop people from doing what they want to do. They will find the way, and meanwhile, adding new stuff to prevent this, you (valve) will be destroying your own game adding things nobody wants and nobody asked for. the game is doomed itself, the only way to fix it is to add new players to the community, and it looks like it's not going to happen.
bro, libertarism is why are we commenting here, in social terms. This is just pure idiocy of those billionaires who feel restrained in their budgets... Greed bro.
Classic moment of valve saying "you're complaining? Here's something worse that you cannot refuse, see y'all in 2 years😀". I've been immortal for so long and i've even reached 2.3k rank in EU and now i'm barely lower the 5k, the amount of people that are win-trading, the russians that dont know english and thus cannot communicate, the people that ruin because they're not playing the role they want, and so on are making every game a battlefield to just make your own team play the game normally, let alone coordinate with each other and actually winning the game. There are so many things wrong with the immortal matchmaking system and so many things that can make it just a little bit better that really show how mich valve doesn't care about neither the game or the community that it's just sad that they are one of the biggest game-related company in the world
Use that report and dislike button. Use chat wheel n ping to communicate instead of spamming lakad matatattaaaaaaaaag every single time. The tools was there right? It's not valve fault people doesn't want to use it.
@@gungrave10 the report and dislike buttons literally don't do anything, it doesn't rrally change the type of players you get, and as for communicating things in game, most of the time i use the voice chat, but the thing is,every person has such a big ego that everything you ask them to do is like insulting them for thinking they're not good enough, when in reality you just want to win the game. Now you're probably like "well then you're prob toxic" and sure, sometimes i get toxic for the amount and graveness of the missplay they make, but when i simply and normally ask for just a pull, they just won't listen and keep ruining the game
i dont mind saying they dont care cos i really want valve to care but... i think its just not true. 95% of games out there have way worse and way less features than dota. the insane replay mechanics that let you analyse every bit of the game. the settings menu that lets you customize things with endless detail. the interfaces that let you look at and test every hero, every item, every ability. this is so unparalleled to any other game on this planet its not even close
@@Alfalfa88888 if you want to put it that way then replays are buggy sometimes, basically every ability doesn't have all the informatioms abouti such as in dota wiki where i usually look up to if i need some .ore detailed info, and this doesn't change the fact that they don't listen to their own community's complaints, otherwise it wouldn't take much to make a feedback window in the settings where people can explain everything that they think should be changed, such as the immortal matchmaking, as blitz explained in the video and as every immortal is talking about
Okay, we have an Immortal rank 1000 matched with an Immortal rank 100, and people cry rivers about it, BUT, the big BUT, what if they limit the MMR range to just about people ranked close to 100, I think players in that rank would rarely be able to play due to the lack of 10 players within that range, how to fix that? I don't know.
A few of the biggest problems that I see with the ranking system, besides the matches being rigged by valve: 1. The usage of the glicko system is a joke and it probably was implemented because people were either lazy or unable to come up with a system. There is no fucking way in hell that a system made to rank CHESS PLAYERS, A 1v1 GAME BETWEEN INTELLIGENT PEOPLE, would work in an online game, which is played 5v5, and don't even get me started on the intelligence levels. 2. The confidence system is implemented backwards. If you/re on a winning or losing streak, the confidence should either stay the same or decrease, but not fucking increase. It should only start increasing when your win rate stabilizes. 3. There are a lot of 3rd parties which can accurately tell the performance of each player, measure who carried, who ruined and so on. If they can do this, why the fuck can't valve do it? I'm fucking tired of the old 'stomp the lane, lose the game'. Wtf am I supposed to do if the other 2 lanes already fed 10 or more kills each? I'm not going to play with those animals. People who perform well should get punished less because their team sucked. People who perform below average while winning should get less mmr than their teammates.
@@alexm.3968 Yeah, usually all heralds say matchmaking is rigged? another thing heralds say is "I'm fucking tired of the old 'stomp the lane, lose the game", there is way more to the game than laning and i get the sentiment of games being unwinnable because of the team but phrasing it was win lane lose game sort of just makes it seem like you dont understand the game. Theres things like strong laners, bad matchups, ect. The best players lose lane all the time its only a small part of winning a game. An obvious issue with performance based mmr gain is that supports will get completely screwed, and certain heros that dont preform well in the metrics that are being judged will be awful. It would also encourage people playing for their kda and way more selfishly to look better to the stat system. For example, people might hold key buybacks and just lose the game so that they end the game with a higher net worth. There are a host of issues with the system you suggest, it really isnt that simple.
seasonal rank reset would solve most if not all dota issues. they do have a different skill evaluating system. ranks could be calibrated through it if it makes boosting/smurfing/account buying/abusing pointless gives massive opportunity for good players to rank up without having to offer their souls solves the long q problem less stress regarding rank in general somebody please tell me why wouldn't they do it??
Current system encourages grind, supporting high player counts. Seasonal ranking would make people value mmr less and play less, especially towards the end of the season. Valve wants online to be as high as possible, so there's that Also it doesn't reflect skill as much as permanent rank, because it would be more prone to fluctuations due to your signature hero coming on and off meta and just general winstreaks/losestreaks. Of course, the second point works only if the ranking is fair and there are no abusers, which is false, but nonetheless valve could think that way.
@@sergbugaev2004 Thank you for your reply. I hate that you're right regarding rank losing value towards end of the season. And I hate how dota made rank in its current form as the only motivation for most of the player base.
@@bashdota1553 Yeah, hate that too. That's one of the reasons I quit playing ranked :) Rank chasing is a neverending cycle imo, which ultimately leads to less and less satisfaction from gains and more and more disappointment from losses.
Look at the winning funds in recent years, from 30-40 million, to 2-3 million in the last two years, dota is an infected game these days , in wich the draft is equally infected at any level, because those who own the game, don't really emphasize with the players, but on the business behind it. This game have about 2-3 years after which it will probably disappear, unfortunately it is said by a player who plays this game from the first versions of dota 1, i loved this game but it's like when, even though you love something, you get to the point where you prefer it to disappear then to suffer anymore . I personally gave up investing a single penny in this game, because the system that is made , is made to keep you in the same place, not to give you a chance , it is not for everybody but probably for 70-80% of actual players . Those who say you can do this or you can do that, are those people who have something to gain from it,... money, positions, status, no matter if they are youtubers or anything else, ... you just need time to to realize this...maybe too much
What i see is you want faster queues. So you need more people in immortal but you can't. Most of them are in middle bracket. So what to do here? I only see patience issues.
Once double down available for purchase lots of players abusing it to gain mmr simply putting their smuft account friend an enemy side and just double down. Smurf friend have 1 job which is making his/her team to lose. Its unplayable when your team just actively wintrading.
Party queueing as someone who participates in Immortal Drafts is definitely a problem and a big overlook... Bugs, needless to say, are also inexcusable. HOWEVER The claim that the glicko system + Immortal Draft is a problem is a complete misjudgement Here's why: When you don't have glicko you get MMR inflation. A lot of the Immortals that are rank top 50 vs Immortal 1000's that you claim to be the difference between a crusader and a divine player, is JUST NOT TRUE. These top ranked players that achieved huge mmr numbers have done so before the Glicko system. If you pick 3 crusaders in your team and you face off 3 divines (which is the claim that is the problem with Glicko + Immortal Draft) the winrate of the divines would probably be like 98% or something they have to fall asleep to lose the game and thus it would be mega fair that losing in the crusader's team would lose you like 2 mmr but winning will net you 100 (reflection of the win probabilities). HOWEVER TURNS OUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE RIGHT:D The 'crusaders' end up winning more often than expected in these immortal games. So why? Well ask yourselves, is this a problem of The Immortal Draft concept + The Glicko System which is rigorously used and tested in other competitive games, or is it a problem of the MMR of these pros NOT reflecting the reality of how good they actually are compared to the 'handicapped rank 1000 immortals' Something to think about
i just hit immortal recently and have not yet played immortal draft, but i have watched mason and lil nick etc play it and oh my god it looks absolutely horrendous. my games are already bad but this is like actually terrible. they need to fix matchmaking
I'm currently 1000 MMR, slowly working my way up. I don't think Immortal is ever something I will have the willpower to achieve. But seeing a post on reddit daily about how the game sucks when you do get to that level makes me feel bad for the people who have put the effort in. Why is one of the most competitive games punishing people for taking the time to get good at it?
Maybe it is the time to stop adjusting the system? Do the global reset and don’t try to balance it. You lose - you lose, you won - you won. Always + or - 25, doesn’t matter what. And the rank will balance it self just naturally.
What do you even want, this is the best compromise, between quality ideal games vs queue time. The number of high rank vs low rank immortal players is so vast, atleast they have power in choosing the players. Its not like the devs are not trying bro
reason why i stopped playing on my acc was immortal draft,coinflip the person with mental problems and that's it,ranked needs and overhaul,at least for higher rank it does
its even worse in 7k to 8k mmr range every game is like this boosters , account buyers every singe player is level 20 its just unplayable and its the reason I t and other players left .its not fun anymore to play immortal its like a punishment when you reach immortal draft
God knows how many hours I've wasted on this garbage game since wc3 dota. Now I'm clear of it for 3 years and every video I see just confirms that I was right to quit.
That's why I only play turbo for fun everyday cuz immortal ranked is a circus worse than herald games theres always someone who feeds/afk wintrading sht in ranked
I know theres a lot of issues, but I like it a lot more than what we had before. I am not being forced to play pos5 as a mainly pos 1/3 player anymore. like i have my last 50 games only playing pos 1 and 3.
"Getting a low MMR team increases the MMR you can gain", but doesn't it also heavily decrease the probability that you win? So overall the expected value of MMR gain stays the same? Or am I missing something?
Picking high MMR players don't guarantee a win, and so does picking low MMR players don't guarantee a loss, therefore picking low MMR players is always the better option because you gain more and lose less.
Top players: we dont like ranked games as the teams become unfair with one having all rhe high ranks and the other having the low ranks Valve: okay how about you draft, that way each captains attempts to pick the best players ultimately leading to a somewhat even game Top players: huh.
That’s why I really don’t complain about my 3k mmr bracket lol, I don’t wait for a whole hour to find a game, and if I dislike a player (I don’t even need to use dota+ avoid feature) just a dislike is usually enough for the matchmaker to find me new teammates, queues no longer than 10 min even then. Sure I get the ocasional jungle LC and the smurf 20-0 enemy invoker, but tbh, it ain’t that bad
All the ranking BS and the behavior score/report system is a waste. DOTA2 has 2 game ruining problems, toxic players and new players. Nothing can be done about toxic players because they will just adapt to whatever remedy the devs add to the game. If Valve charged $0.10 for the game it would deter 99% of new players who only play a few games then realize it's not candy crush or whatever free game they were looking for.
I sympathize with the players undergoing these issues. However, this situation is like what most people say. Gamers are good at pointing out problems but are bad at solving them. I think Valve would want to solve the issue as well if they know the answer or solution for this issue.
im 7k mmr in EU and once u get into immortal draft, everything goes to shit. The games are shit, many people are shit. Lots of ppl that throw games because they are party and get picked in diferent teams. Or just to mmr boost with double tokens. I quit playing rank, and i just play pubs either solo or with some friends. Not worth grinding anymore even though i love the game
Dota 2 is currently the only Moba i have not managed to to reach high rank because how toxic the community is. And i have 5k hours playing it. I cannot even play with friends because they get angry for stupid things that i stop playing dota for 3 yrs because how absurd it was. I return to play to see if has change in something, but nope, is now even worse. So worse in fact that i don’t play with friends anymore. I just play turbo because i don’t want to spend 40min of suffering. I have made more friend in Mobile Legends than this game, seriously.
the only reason why I dropped so much from 7k to 6k and now staying just barely immortal 5631, I don't even feel like showing my medal anymore been grinding unranked for reducing my "rank confidence" so it would show as unranked.
No lie, I remember having more quality games back when I was Legend ranked than when I was Ancient/Divine. Shit, I feel like it's even worse now on low immortal. It's either an easy game or try hard most of time and it was infinitely worse when you don't have Dota plus to block obvious cheaters/accnt buyers.
Reset MMR for good for everyone, completely remove immortal draft and add ranked role q with filling roles, something similar to what LoL is having (for example you que preffered roles 3 and 2 and you get them but every couple of games you have to play pos 4 because they didn’t find any 4s queueing), +ban all smurf accounts (not just pro smurfs accounts) = system will be fixed mostly and games would be normal in high mmr dota In addition, add systems to find and ban cheats like overplus (do not let dota be runnable with other programs, just few, spotify, etc - for example in dota1, which was a map in warcraft 3 frozen throne, if you’d use maphack which was quite popular, after a while your game would crash and nothing would fix it, not even if you turn the hack off, and restart, you had to reinstall the windows)
bro is depressed no outro music :(
Shit was dark
Dude......the ending with no music legit got me....like.....super sad bro why
fr man this is a serious problem when there is no outro
real
bro is ded
For the sake of the future of this game I really hope this video pops off
replying to this and liking the video just for the sake it pops off
this only affects 3% of the player base and not always happens though
@@mdsmatheus Plus its not like the video offers any solutions. Especially when the complaint is about long queue times AND high mmr differences, where it will always be a balance between the two.
@@punzer true, but the main problem right now is Valve's lack of attention to the problems. Personally, I think immortal draft has potential to be good, they just need to iron out some issues, not necessarily find entirely new solutions. And in theory, the more awareness there is to the issues Valve need to iron out, the more pressure they'll feel to actually do something, so the video does address that.
@@mdsmatheus but it's important to make this environment that the 3% play in to feel worth it to aim for to the rest of the playerbase. It's really not good for the game, competitively and otherwise, to lose it's best players because of such things.
I'm Herald, watching this video is like watch billionaires complain their taxes are too high
lmao
lel no worries, this is just a game kek
Hahahahah
Problem with immortal drafts affects all players. I dont really know why author havent explianed it, but basicaly the problem is that actual good players just stop playing when reaching Immortal. Why? Because of all the clusterfuck. I got my Immortal 4 years ago, havent played a single game there(Except calibration) on purpose. Just drop my acc and go on smurf, since I dont want to experience that shit.
Whatever you do, do what you enjoy.
You want low MMR team. Me, sitting at 850 MMR: "Captain, I'm ready."
Oh yeaaah! Let's gooo, I mean, me too "Aye aye captain"
The amount of wintraders i run into is depressing.
Immortal Drafting is the worst thing that got invented
Wait wtf? Franky???? IS THAT REALLY YOU?!
Not it is bot @@GeneralSpecific
Ayy yo Franky FR??
wait you fr watch blitzspank?
The game is literally depressing right now! I mean in what mind did valve made the immortal draft to allow a 5k guy get matched with 8k players!! Wintraders, one hero spammers, acc buyers in literally every second game!!! On top of that the meta sooo ass!! I miss the days when I actually used to have fun playing the game 😢...
Immortal player here. Adding double down to immortal rank queue where party players can end up on opposite teams was a grave mistake. And you cannot know that you have a rat in the team or just an accbuyer until the game ends so you wouldn’t at least rely on them. You cannot kick the player even if you know that he is a rat.
Also natures prophet flying to enemy base and dying before the game starts so the game counts is just absurd. People can easily win trade 60+ mmr in 2 minutes which makes reaching immortal draft actually harmful to player experience.
And this whole thing just makes you feel depressed because you have no control over situation whatsoever. Deranking so you get out of immortal draft is also shit because you become smurf and ruin experience for other players
Once I got to Immortal I had to quit playing ranked because the games got absolutely horrible. Every single game somebody smurfs, griefs, afk, dc, scripts you name it
tell me you havent been immortal without saying you havent been immortal
Dude I am no immortal so I am curious, SMURFING IN IMMORTAL?
@@someoneinthesky9784 yeah you can smurfing in the immortal, the mmr difference between top 100 and 1000 thousand is big.
@@DeborahSeymour-k2lwut? And the skill difference too? I guess they pros are called pros because they really are built different eh
they replace small problems with big unfixable problems
the last one where people dc and then it's safe to leave made me stop playing for 1 month or so, i was playing against some cocky ember and his friends they were winning for about 40 mins we won one fight went straight for throne he bb died again and noone else had bb and they use this shit made me rage so hard scummy piece of shit and i couldn't even report him the game was nowhere to be found/
You still can report right? Before you leave
@@gungrave10 the game crashed , it threw us out tried to log in could not then it disappeard completly not even in the archives of my previous games could be found
@@enkelito1 The game safe to leave> then crash?
@@gungrave10 it crashed threw us out main menu and the option to reconnect or abandon. Try it to reconnect after few fail attempts to connect said safe to leave and then it disappeared not even in my game history could not be found. Like it never happened weird shit
so glad i quit this... they turned a 10/10 game to absolute shit
ahh Dota and the eternal problem with the MMR system. Will it ever end?
No.
You should read Hegel. You will also understand Lenin then.
If you 60 IQ, then: If there would be no fires why should you finance firemen?
@@thedevilneveraskstwice7027 What?
@@thedevilneveraskstwice7027 this might just deserve the price for the most pretentious comment ever written
Icefrog doesnt care at all, he will just update the matchmaking system in a way that makes it worse and just say that they did change it and worked on it so their job is done. Icefrog has been doing such a lazy and poor job on this game in the last years which is ridicolous that he is still employed.
You can end it yourself! Unconventional but you get the drift! 😅
I quit last month because I keep getting the worst possible teams, 1 game out of 36 matches was without someone griefing/trolling. As a support with little impact to actually winning when game gets past 30 min, it was too much for me.
Same here, I've stopped playing ranked and playing turbo now. Just for the sake of the Crownfall candy
I don't like turbo for the reason couriers are uncontrollable and only moves when havin any amount of items in backpack and trasferrin move to owner of that courier, the trollin of using this courier begins when some player disconnects, the other player starts buying the cheapest items from vendors filling the courier backpack and start doing the infinite loop of goin and going back to base to repeat the same process tranfering again and again
I stopped it because of cheating i even reported match id also here on yt there are some matches you would find at Gingo and others but the main issue i had was the drafts and the matchmaking algorithm for example when my communication score was at peak i am able to win atleast 3 games out of five and by winning i mean i am able to win the game in addition to having good team coordination and good teammates but at some point i lost my behavior score and comunication score and not once actually many times over the last year so what i concluded was that with low score i wasn't even able to play a normal match in my legend bracket at that time which translates to that i was loosing 4 out of 5 daily games! Now i am crusader and i stoped playing it i got comunicayion svore 10 on both ends with behavior!
>permanently ban cheaters with hardware bans
>make dota cost $5 to make a new account
there, fixed within a day.
sorry bro nobody pay 5 dollar for shit game hahaFACT
People don’t seem to understand that players, especially pro players will complain no matter what. Dota players are the worst kind of players out there, and high rank players are the worst among them. Sometimes I think Valve got tired of their constant bitching and decided to screw with them on purpose xD
@@DippitydeeI think there is so many bad people in this game because it's so many people actually playing it. Game is free and can be played on a trash pc. More people = more good AND bad people. And we are paying attention to only the ones who are loud and angry and bad.
Sry for my bad English.
@@Nikita40000 I also think part of the problem is their Free to Play model, but for a different reason. For me the problem has always been the community. Dota community is very passionate, and it causes most of the toxicity.
Valve for sure could be doing a much better job, but if you think about it, every time Valve comes up with a fix, the community finds a way to abuse it. And there is no accountability because any player can just buy a new account. Maybe if the game was $10 then there’d be fewer smurfs, accbuyers and cheaters, but Valve’s business model for Dota doesn’t allow it I guess
@@Dippitydeeif people are buying accounts anyway, paying more will mean less people pay, but it will likely do more harm to general playerbase.
So unless everyone playing before the change gets a free copy, loss of players will be greater than loss of abusers, so it will feel worse. And if everyone does get a free copy, it's a payday for account farms.
So I don't think just adding a box price will change things for the better. Hardware bans and other ways of punishing people changing accounts can help, however. Problem there is minimizing false positives.
Watching this on x0.25 on a second monitor to improve the retention rate :)
and it gets promoted more
4:02 The Dire on Gaben portrait is insane hahahahaha
Yeah, good idea, well made. I stopped the video when I saw it. ^^
And the names too
Another reason to thank god the day i unistalled this game
Now i actually play games where i have fun playing em
its for the better dood there so much good games other then dota
and wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy healty for ur mental health and more fun :D
Just dont play rankeds. Then u can have fun and care less
@@Scarfacex11 you all sound like pansies.
Hahah same
@@Scarfacex11you wait long for 1 match and they just quit the game ahaha 🤣
For God's sake Valve how is this shit still happening!?
valve doesn't care too much about us bc we are even less than 1% of the dota community , that kinda sucks...
Sometimes we realised the game is like a broken ship but we know from our heart spent thousands of hours into hour ship and we can’t just let it sink in the bottom of the sea we still stay in it and trying to save it because of the memories we had
Even if only affect 3% of Dota players, I think in fact it affect to every ranked player, cuz our goal is get inmortal rank, if not there is unranked for the ppl don't care, so at the end of the day, even if we never gonna get inmortal rank, it affect us indirectly cuz is our goal, right?
So Valve should do sth, I think the best is just made balanced teams in terms of MMR without doing this wired stuff, practically like before, or sth similar.
I clarify that this is MY OPINION, nothing more than that.
The ultimate resolution to all valve games: Region Lock Russia.
the most problem creates arabian region, and arabish people on east europe servers :)
They need to change match making rating to something individual, not just solely based on if your team wins or not.
So a couple of things. I am an immortal player but retired. These days has been a disaster for me to play with my friends and people tell me to not throw games or lose games on purpose to derank. It would only cause me to be a "Smurf" to the lower ranks and get my account banned. I don't know if that's true. Anyways let's just say when valve resetted all the ranks I was divine 1. I won 9 games and lost 11 and guess what my rank was. Top 1500. Everything Blitz said was undoubtedly correct. I was lead to believe that being in high ranks means you're good and that was my aim ever since I was herald 1. I only played heros I enjoy and avoid the meta every game. But now I am stuck in immortal and I can't get out of it. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news to everyone but if you are planning to be an immortal player just forget it. It's not a good idea and I am a prime example
Then play unranked.
@@nado1908 like i dont udnerstand why people dont play unraked
@@nado1908 Unranked is just as bad, if one person, for example @gustlizer7993, is high immortal and his friends are average legend players, you can still get placed into completely uneven matches with the entire enemy team being all immortal sweatlords. Meaning it makes the game unplayable as your friends are completely outmatched and you having to play so sweaty as to even have the slightest chance of winning.
@@ASH-su6nb 17 hours queue time: "I dont understand why people dont play the unranked verison of this super competitive game while it wastes all their time"
@@ASH-su6nb i hope you have a game to play while waiting for high mmr unranked queue
considering valve doesnt do anything about hackers in cs2 they probably wont fix this any time soon
It's been years we have this problem with mmr, the same for many other things so no it's not gonna change and they're gonna kill this game at this rythm
@@eren.123- yeah im surprised cs2 and dota 2 are even esports with how janked their matchmaking and ranking systems are... not to mention the anti cheat or lack there of... lmao.
@@hado33_ check other mobas, theirs matchmaking and ranking systems are even worse kkkkkk
Thank you for spreading the word (not that its affecting me at all) just annoying to watch a stream and every 2nd game gets ruined.
BlitzSpanks video NOT ending with a punchline and outro music feels soooo eerie bro. This issue really is bad... Please Valve
LITERALLY.. i felt so somber and eerie when he just stops talking and it's just.. silence
Thats why i love pokemon unite now, it's chaotic and since i'm top tier player i have a winrate above 70% most of the seasons xD
they recently implemented draft but its not soooooo bad, i still preferred the chaos of all pick mirror matches and fuck it, you try to balance so much you end up with this dota crap
how dota is not dead yet is suprising
Stupid game, with stupid players
How league isn't dead is even more surprising
It is all a matter of perspective. I've been playing League of Legends since season 1 and I came to Dota about 10 months ago and I'm surprised how much better in quality Dota is compared to League of Legends.
addiction thats all
I haven't played for years, so sad seeing what was my everyday life turned to whatever you called this.
same, played it since early days of dota allstars, over 8k games on dota 2 alone and probably more in wc3, I have not played once in the last two years, not even installed atm, only still watching some content creators and the internationals sometimes and that is it, I miss it but it had already changed too much for me years ago, like they fucked up big time most my prefered heros and the general pace of the game.
i don't think it gets much worse in high immortal. you have a chance to be in a match with an actual pro player and this is very exciting sometimes.
Immortal draft is fine, valve just has to separate party queue from solo queue again to avoid these win tradings, split up parties etc.
You can complain as much as you want, but there is no solution to this problem simply because THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH IMMORTAL PLAYERS... Not enough players even in Archon or Legend rank which is MEDIAN, I don't even wanna talk about Immortal rank which is EXTREME. Ofcourse rank 50 player is forced to play with rank 1000 because at the time he is queing THERE ARE NO RANK 51 100, 150 OR 200 RANK PLAYER, AND YOU ARE ASKING FOR FUNCTIONAL AVOID BUTTON, ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR FN MIND? Who are you gonna play with??Immortals are really smart for dota but so dumb irl. We need more players. And full rank reset. New Ranking event, idk, something everyone will talk about.
well, then properly punishing griefers would be a nice enough solution right? Yet it's not happening, or is it also about "well if we ban him, who would be left to play"?
Cuz your point about avoid button makes sense. But saying there's no solution to this is wrong. There's a solution - proper punishment system. Avoid button was implemented for people to be able to avoid griefers or clowns at the first place since, well, apparently punishment system in game is not amazing. If it was good, there would ve never been a need for that "avoid button" at all. That's about it. In regard to matchmaking itself - u re also right about that. There's no way for matchmaking to be good at top ranks, when there's simply a lack of players. Here you really can't fix much.
Like there's a simple example. LoL. Now, i am not here to compare games (which is better etc) i am not that clown, but LoL did a decently good job compared to Dota at that department. There're still griefers ofc, but when it comes to "elite" divisions, it's natural the amount of players there is not huge (lets say grandmaster/challenger) matchmaking, so blatant griefers cases are handled manually if system fails to detect some kind of "soft-inting" "soft-griefing". Well, and if u get banned by a system mistake, then your ban will also get manually lifted by support which is quite fast to respond. And reports do actually matter (unless u're reporting literally everyone, then system just considers u a salty loser). Riot is surely a big company with tons of money to afford additional staff to handle that, but don't tell me Valve is a small indie-company.
LoL has a different problem - their "verbal abuse" report, which can get you banned for even things which were not intended as insults or anything. But that's easily avoidable, when u get punished once and you see how it works. But when it comes to griefers, i'd say it's very noticable how at top lvl the amount of griefing or general clownish attitude is significantly lower compared to Dota.
To sum it up: when people are crying out for "avoid button" to be there in immortal, it's a cleaaaar indication that punishment system is not working as intended, cuz this button should ve never been in dota plus at the first place.
dota's community kill the game, 9 of 10 games is 1 vs 9...
Legit the worst cesspit of disgusting behaviour in existence
Probably got better morals in a North Korean government meeting than a Dota 2 match
Valve isn’t oblivious to whats happening, they just dont care, you can look at TF2 with much of the same concerns. Valve doesnt care about their games.
The MMR drafting reminded me of moneyball for some reason but instead of trying to make a better team on paper you make a worst team to to deinflate your value to maximize your winnings and minimize losses.
can confirm, immortal draft is some of the worse dota matchmaking i played, and i played pre ranking system when you could run into a five man stack as a solo player.
I'm 8k mmr player and for the last half year I played around 100 ranked matches on Europe region.
Most of the problems are not as common as they may be seen. For all my games, I never encountered any form of game crashing. Only once I saw party players being picked on different sides, and they just complained about it, but played fair. Mmr difference on lower ranks are not that bad, in most of my games players were within 1000 mmr range relative to each other. And let's be real, the difference between 14k mmr and 11k mmr is not the same as between 5k and 2k.
Immortal was introduced to improve search time for high mmr games, since there are great imbalance in terms of roles. Players even started played non-role-based matchmaking just to improve search time. And for the same reason, dodge list is not working there.
I mean, the problems exists and should be fixed, but I don't think removing immortal draft or banning party queue will fix them all. I think the problem in barely working report system, when obvious griefer not banned even after few ruined games in a row.
Lol as programmer this dc bug seems like super lazy implementation of the feature. Is dota still peer to peer in background as it used to be?
thanks for bringing up the issue. I think immortal draft could work if the report system actually did something with griefers. Role queue is the best mode of all though.
Valve's incompetence to keep dota relevant is just sad.
Remember when YEARS ago when dota vs league was still a thing? Valve didn't give a shit.
I’ve had people solo queue but they on the same discord and if they end up on different teams, one guy will just throw the game intentionally so the other can win.
I think every gap has its cons. I am a forever crusader and my games are intense cuz there are usually smurfs and people who just dont lnow the objectives. Cores never joining fights/pushes etc.
Frustrating. But I believe this high rank problem is much more depressing.
Yep! As an Immortal player myself I.. oh never mind I'm crusader
If you still play dota, just don't play ranked, much more fun, much less stress, if you win it still feels good, when you lose it doesn't feel as bad, just better than ranked abomination.
If ranked player base drops drastically, volvo will do something or at least try.
end is gonna have deadlock prediction now
MMR has lost its meaning after they introduced party queue. The number of boosted players is unreal, and since we don't have any global recalibration, the MMR/skill gap is insanely high.
Damn this dude’s pulling 50-100k views per video on ded gaem, that’s no cap pretty impressive. Most watchers are probably just on twitch or only watch tourney highlights, you’ve got great content man
I didnt know about this bug 6:40. I was doing a comeback and it was minute 40, suddenly enemy carry diesback (because tilted) then suddenly dcs with his teammate, it made the game become safe to leave.
In Peru you can buy a Legend account for $15 so yeah, in South America the ranked system means nothing. 50% of the games are over before the 10 minute mark
The lower the rank, the more fun i have in games. I played few times in herald braket from smurf acc and now i'm on the way to drop my mmr, because people on 0-1000 mmr are the most fun to play WITH and AGAINST.
DIvine3 here
I don't play dota2 for 6 months already and I feel great
you knew you don't stop playing DoTA2, you just take extended break.
@@someoneinthesky9784 I don't think so, I fell back too much already and don't even want to start again
@@radone469 I am sorry to hear that. I left DoTA2 for 5 years and just starting out again, with the new events and anything. Enjoy what you're enjoying right now then. Glhf.
you know sht is serious when there's no outro music
this is called libertarism.
Valve is restricting liberty of players with new systems to avoid negative gameplay, but the community wants other things (smurfing, cheating, etc)… so they try to apply new rules to stop it, like immortal draft... but they can't and they won't be able to.
so the lesson is this: You can't stop people from doing what they want to do. They will find the way, and meanwhile, adding new stuff to prevent this, you (valve) will be destroying your own game adding things nobody wants and nobody asked for.
the game is doomed itself, the only way to fix it is to add new players to the community, and it looks like it's not going to happen.
bro, libertarism is why are we commenting here, in social terms. This is just pure idiocy of those billionaires who feel restrained in their budgets... Greed bro.
low divine is peak dota matchmaking experience
imagine a dots 2 match where no one is reported
Classic moment of valve saying "you're complaining? Here's something worse that you cannot refuse, see y'all in 2 years😀". I've been immortal for so long and i've even reached 2.3k rank in EU and now i'm barely lower the 5k, the amount of people that are win-trading, the russians that dont know english and thus cannot communicate, the people that ruin because they're not playing the role they want, and so on are making every game a battlefield to just make your own team play the game normally, let alone coordinate with each other and actually winning the game. There are so many things wrong with the immortal matchmaking system and so many things that can make it just a little bit better that really show how mich valve doesn't care about neither the game or the community that it's just sad that they are one of the biggest game-related company in the world
Use that report and dislike button.
Use chat wheel n ping to communicate instead of spamming lakad matatattaaaaaaaaag every single time.
The tools was there right? It's not valve fault people doesn't want to use it.
@@gungrave10 the report and dislike buttons literally don't do anything, it doesn't rrally change the type of players you get, and as for communicating things in game, most of the time i use the voice chat, but the thing is,every person has such a big ego that everything you ask them to do is like insulting them for thinking they're not good enough, when in reality you just want to win the game. Now you're probably like "well then you're prob toxic" and sure, sometimes i get toxic for the amount and graveness of the missplay they make, but when i simply and normally ask for just a pull, they just won't listen and keep ruining the game
i dont mind saying they dont care cos i really want valve to care but... i think its just not true. 95% of games out there have way worse and way less features than dota. the insane replay mechanics that let you analyse every bit of the game. the settings menu that lets you customize things with endless detail. the interfaces that let you look at and test every hero, every item, every ability. this is so unparalleled to any other game on this planet its not even close
@@Alfalfa88888 if you want to put it that way then replays are buggy sometimes, basically every ability doesn't have all the informatioms abouti such as in dota wiki where i usually look up to if i need some .ore detailed info, and this doesn't change the fact that they don't listen to their own community's complaints, otherwise it wouldn't take much to make a feedback window in the settings where people can explain everything that they think should be changed, such as the immortal matchmaking, as blitz explained in the video and as every immortal is talking about
@@kyu1102 jea i think u just wrong
This makes me feel good being stucked in Guardian
Okay, we have an Immortal rank 1000 matched with an Immortal rank 100, and people cry rivers about it, BUT, the big BUT, what if they limit the MMR range to just about people ranked close to 100, I think players in that rank would rarely be able to play due to the lack of 10 players within that range, how to fix that? I don't know.
A few of the biggest problems that I see with the ranking system, besides the matches being rigged by valve:
1. The usage of the glicko system is a joke and it probably was implemented because people were either lazy or unable to come up with a system. There is no fucking way in hell that a system made to rank CHESS PLAYERS, A 1v1 GAME BETWEEN INTELLIGENT PEOPLE, would work in an online game, which is played 5v5, and don't even get me started on the intelligence levels.
2. The confidence system is implemented backwards. If you/re on a winning or losing streak, the confidence should either stay the same or decrease, but not fucking increase. It should only start increasing when your win rate stabilizes.
3. There are a lot of 3rd parties which can accurately tell the performance of each player, measure who carried, who ruined and so on. If they can do this, why the fuck can't valve do it? I'm fucking tired of the old 'stomp the lane, lose the game'. Wtf am I supposed to do if the other 2 lanes already fed 10 or more kills each? I'm not going to play with those animals.
People who perform well should get punished less because their team sucked. People who perform below average while winning should get less mmr than their teammates.
bro Glicko is free, Its experimental, that is why they monetize It
"Matches are rigged by valve" idk why i kept reading past this abysmal take
@@momoaa that’s usually what all heralds say.
@@alexm.3968 Yeah, usually all heralds say matchmaking is rigged? another thing heralds say is "I'm fucking tired of the old 'stomp the lane, lose the game", there is way more to the game than laning and i get the sentiment of games being unwinnable because of the team but phrasing it was win lane lose game sort of just makes it seem like you dont understand the game. Theres things like strong laners, bad matchups, ect. The best players lose lane all the time its only a small part of winning a game.
An obvious issue with performance based mmr gain is that supports will get completely screwed, and certain heros that dont preform well in the metrics that are being judged will be awful. It would also encourage people playing for their kda and way more selfishly to look better to the stat system. For example, people might hold key buybacks and just lose the game so that they end the game with a higher net worth. There are a host of issues with the system you suggest, it really isnt that simple.
@@momoaa i’m not reading all that crap.
seasonal rank reset would solve most if not all dota issues.
they do have a different skill evaluating system. ranks could be calibrated through it
if it makes boosting/smurfing/account buying/abusing pointless
gives massive opportunity for good players to rank up without having to offer their souls
solves the long q problem
less stress regarding rank in general
somebody please tell me why wouldn't they do it??
Current system encourages grind, supporting high player counts. Seasonal ranking would make people value mmr less and play less, especially towards the end of the season. Valve wants online to be as high as possible, so there's that
Also it doesn't reflect skill as much as permanent rank, because it would be more prone to fluctuations due to your signature hero coming on and off meta and just general winstreaks/losestreaks.
Of course, the second point works only if the ranking is fair and there are no abusers, which is false, but nonetheless valve could think that way.
@@sergbugaev2004 Thank you for your reply. I hate that you're right regarding rank losing value towards end of the season.
And I hate how dota made rank in its current form as the only motivation for most of the player base.
@@bashdota1553 Yeah, hate that too. That's one of the reasons I quit playing ranked :) Rank chasing is a neverending cycle imo, which ultimately leads to less and less satisfaction from gains and more and more disappointment from losses.
Look at the winning funds in recent years, from 30-40 million, to 2-3 million in the last two years, dota is an infected game these days , in wich the draft is equally infected at any level, because those who own the game, don't really emphasize with the players, but on the business behind it. This game have about 2-3 years after which it will probably disappear, unfortunately it is said by a player who plays this game from the first versions of dota 1, i loved this game but it's like when, even though you love something, you get to the point where you prefer it to disappear then to suffer anymore .
I personally gave up investing a single penny in this game, because the system that is made , is made to keep you in the same place, not to give you a chance , it is not for everybody but probably for 70-80% of actual players . Those who say you can do this or you can do that, are those people who have something to gain from it,... money, positions, status, no matter if they are youtubers or anything else, ... you just need time to to realize this...maybe too much
What i see is you want faster queues. So you need more people in immortal but you can't. Most of them are in middle bracket. So what to do here? I only see patience issues.
Once double down available for purchase lots of players abusing it to gain mmr simply putting their smuft account friend an enemy side and just double down. Smurf friend have 1 job which is making his/her team to lose. Its unplayable when your team just actively wintrading.
Party queueing as someone who participates in Immortal Drafts is definitely a problem and a big overlook... Bugs, needless to say, are also inexcusable. HOWEVER
The claim that the glicko system + Immortal Draft is a problem is a complete misjudgement
Here's why:
When you don't have glicko you get MMR inflation. A lot of the Immortals that are rank top 50 vs Immortal 1000's that you claim to be the difference between a crusader and a divine player, is JUST NOT TRUE.
These top ranked players that achieved huge mmr numbers have done so before the Glicko system.
If you pick 3 crusaders in your team and you face off 3 divines (which is the claim that is the problem with Glicko + Immortal Draft) the winrate of the divines would probably be like 98% or something they have to fall asleep to lose the game and thus it would be mega fair that losing in the crusader's team would lose you like 2 mmr but winning will net you 100 (reflection of the win probabilities).
HOWEVER TURNS OUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE RIGHT:D The 'crusaders' end up winning more often than expected in these immortal games.
So why?
Well ask yourselves, is this a problem of The Immortal Draft concept + The Glicko System which is rigorously used and tested in other competitive games, or is it a problem of the MMR of these pros NOT reflecting the reality of how good they actually are compared to the 'handicapped rank 1000 immortals'
Something to think about
oh lookie its tf2 all over again
Seeing both Waga and blitz the two ta try hards i watch in the same video pretty cool xd
i just hit immortal recently and have not yet played immortal draft, but i have watched mason and lil nick etc play it and oh my god it looks absolutely horrendous. my games are already bad but this is like actually terrible. they need to fix matchmaking
Really like this content. Keep up the good work Blitz. 👌
I'm currently 1000 MMR, slowly working my way up. I don't think Immortal is ever something I will have the willpower to achieve. But seeing a post on reddit daily about how the game sucks when you do get to that level makes me feel bad for the people who have put the effort in. Why is one of the most competitive games punishing people for taking the time to get good at it?
the last sentence is actually what I think all the time! Why does Valve hate their most committed players?
This is present in literally every single game that has ranked/leaderboards. I’m sick of it.
what are the odds i saw this on the morning and now again on dendi stream on twitch lmao
well at least your rank doesnt have mid tidehunter goes first item desolator
As a turbo player, what's wrong fellas, suddenly having them BIG NUMBERS isn't that great huh?
_The things you own end up owning you_ -T.D.
Maybe it is the time to stop adjusting the system? Do the global reset and don’t try to balance it. You lose - you lose, you won - you won. Always + or - 25, doesn’t matter what. And the rank will balance it self just naturally.
What do you even want, this is the best compromise, between quality ideal games vs queue time. The number of high rank vs low rank immortal players is so vast, atleast they have power in choosing the players. Its not like the devs are not trying bro
reason why i stopped playing on my acc was immortal draft,coinflip the person with mental problems and that's it,ranked needs and overhaul,at least for higher rank it does
its even worse in 7k to 8k mmr range every game is like this boosters , account buyers every singe player is level 20 its just unplayable and its the reason I t and other players left .its not fun anymore to play immortal its like a punishment when you reach immortal draft
God knows how many hours I've wasted on this garbage game since wc3 dota.
Now I'm clear of it for 3 years and every video I see just confirms that I was right to quit.
That's why I only play turbo for fun everyday cuz immortal ranked is a circus worse than herald games
theres always someone who feeds/afk wintrading sht in ranked
Valve is focusing on Deadlock, once it's released they'll abandon it again and on to the next project/cash grab
I know theres a lot of issues, but I like it a lot more than what we had before. I am not being forced to play pos5 as a mainly pos 1/3 player anymore. like i have my last 50 games only playing pos 1 and 3.
"Getting a low MMR team increases the MMR you can gain", but doesn't it also heavily decrease the probability that you win? So overall the expected value of MMR gain stays the same? Or am I missing something?
Picking high MMR players don't guarantee a win, and so does picking low MMR players don't guarantee a loss, therefore picking low MMR players is always the better option because you gain more and lose less.
I've been playing dota since 2013, immortal draft is the worst thing i've ever seen in dota!
Top players: we dont like ranked games as the teams become unfair with one having all rhe high ranks and the other having the low ranks
Valve: okay how about you draft, that way each captains attempts to pick the best players ultimately leading to a somewhat even game
Top players: huh.
You know what is better than win trading? A WIN TRADING WITH DOUBLE DOWN
That’s why I really don’t complain about my 3k mmr bracket lol, I don’t wait for a whole hour to find a game, and if I dislike a player (I don’t even need to use dota+ avoid feature) just a dislike is usually enough for the matchmaker to find me new teammates, queues no longer than 10 min even then. Sure I get the ocasional jungle LC and the smurf 20-0 enemy invoker, but tbh, it ain’t that bad
All the ranking BS and the behavior score/report system is a waste. DOTA2 has 2 game ruining problems, toxic players and new players.
Nothing can be done about toxic players because they will just adapt to whatever remedy the devs add to the game.
If Valve charged $0.10 for the game it would deter 99% of new players who only play a few games then realize it's not candy crush or whatever free game they were looking for.
I sympathize with the players undergoing these issues. However, this situation is like what most people say.
Gamers are good at pointing out problems but are bad at solving them.
I think Valve would want to solve the issue as well if they know the answer or solution for this issue.
im 7k mmr in EU and once u get into immortal draft, everything goes to shit. The games are shit, many people are shit. Lots of ppl that throw games because they are party and get picked in diferent teams. Or just to mmr boost with double tokens. I quit playing rank, and i just play pubs either solo or with some friends. Not worth grinding anymore even though i love the game
Dota 2 is currently the only Moba i have not managed to to reach high rank because how toxic the community is. And i have 5k hours playing it. I cannot even play with friends because they get angry for stupid things that i stop playing dota for 3 yrs because how absurd it was. I return to play to see if has change in something, but nope, is now even worse. So worse in fact that i don’t play with friends anymore. I just play turbo because i don’t want to spend 40min of suffering. I have made more friend in Mobile Legends than this game, seriously.
Looks like Inmortal Draft is selfservice done wrong.
The avoid player option was the real one for me
how about valve's obsession around keeping some heroes op.
No outro music...
And In archon we need to deal with depressed people smurfing. I guess the matchmaking is just broken from a to z
the only reason why I dropped so much from 7k to 6k and now staying just barely immortal 5631, I don't even feel like showing my medal anymore been grinding unranked for reducing my "rank confidence" so it would show as unranked.
Shirley
With all role TA picks immortal isnt something you need to be worried about blitz :)
No lie, I remember having more quality games back when I was Legend ranked than when I was Ancient/Divine.
Shit, I feel like it's even worse now on low immortal. It's either an easy game or try hard most of time and it was infinitely worse when you don't have Dota plus to block obvious cheaters/accnt buyers.
Reset MMR for good for everyone, completely remove immortal draft and add ranked role q with filling roles, something similar to what LoL is having (for example you que preffered roles 3 and 2 and you get them but every couple of games you have to play pos 4 because they didn’t find any 4s queueing),
+ban all smurf accounts (not just pro smurfs accounts) = system will be fixed mostly and games would be normal in high mmr dota
In addition, add systems to find and ban cheats like overplus (do not let dota be runnable with other programs, just few, spotify, etc - for example in dota1, which was a map in warcraft 3 frozen throne, if you’d use maphack which was quite popular, after a while your game would crash and nothing would fix it, not even if you turn the hack off, and restart, you had to reinstall the windows)
The worst problem is match fixing trading mmr in NA servers
Wth there are less players in the lowest rank than the highest rank