10 Year Veteran in Both LoL and Dota 2: Which is Better?
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
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Remember when we only had one courier per team 😂
Yes and we get it killed so that no one gets the item .
Back in dota1 too when My items weren't even delivered to me yet and someone's already controlling it.😭
Those were the days!
mostly player dota lose back ago because of war courier XD
I would buy the courier just to show off my courier skins
Nothing gives the satisfaction of winning a toxic match over 70 minutes. You literally feel like your brain is having an electric orgasm, and you proudly look at the end-of-match table for 10 minutes and laugh involuntarily.
I second that :) Playing one or two such games is more than enough for me, it'll keep me rolling for a week.
34 min mega and after 150 min win?
And that's why dota 2 gonna die, because you weird people having orgasm in the game instead of sporting
had a 70 min game playing PA carry. Damn it was satisfying to win it. Spent 20 mins just by comparing and analyzing details after the game. Rewatched it next day))
GG
EZ
TL;DR - Both games suck but at least we're not Overwatch 2.
liking your own comment 😮
"It could be worse."
Racism
Overwatch caught in the crossfire lol
Overwatch players: where's the PvE Blizzard!!!!!
I agree with Blitz except the turnrate part. The game is designed around it where if some heroes had a faster turn rate it can make some heroes really difficult to deal with. Puck can can change directions and blink away after euls or phase shift leaving no possible window to be caught, it's only the turn rate which makes it possible to catch that pesky mf if she tries to turn before a blink. Heroes like Bat slow turn rates and it's a great element to his kit. AM's blink direction would be impossible to read feom his animation if he turned that quick. So no, turn rate has a place in dota, it's a flaw but it's a good flaw and the game is fundamentally built around it.
Turn-rates also nerf kiting, which gives melee carries an extra leg up. Imagine if Sniper didn't have a turn-rate. He'd be able to annihilate melees even harder than he normally does.
@@PanmasterAtArms true this.
@@PanmasterAtArms league has kite and its not unbalanced. Dota has blink daggers, force staffs, hex, bkb, phase boots. Truste me, kite would not be op on a game with that many useful tools to get on top of someone
@@PanmasterAtArms
in RTS games (starcraft 2 for example) people micro units to move a bit after they fire during the small window between the shots and thus kite the enemy units...
I just imagined a sniper doing it. Absolutely horrendous.
@@ramonfreires5976 yes there many tools but imagine a drow ranger, Sniper or muerta, they will just build Phase boots early and thats about it they will kite for the rest of the early game and it would really feel awful, yes there are many tools to deal with them but you need to win early game to get those but if not well good luck not get stomped.
easily my favorite toxic league chat ive seen is "rush chair and rope build please"
Haha lol wtf
*phrasebook replenished*
Here are some of my favorites:
Kennen R in the bathtub
Ornn E into oncoming traffic
Galio R off a building
Talon E from the balcony
go 0/1 IRL
Patheon R from a bridge
GP Q yourself
Thresh Q from the ceiling
Talon Q your wrist
Gragas W a bottle of bleach
Aatrox E into a train
nice one
"All these extra chromosomes and none of them helps you to be good" or "Your parents are related yet they still managed to break up"
Kennen r in bathtub
Secret shop makes it so that if you have map control later in the game its very hard for the losing team to buy/finish items.
im only legend but cant you just send courier to opposite shop when that happens?
@@jorgea.coronado4389 takes way too much time and not to mention your enemies can easily kill it if they have vision
@@Luna_tiko2403 time is irrelevant when they are near your secret shop, and if they are pushing your t3 you can just shift click the courier around the new jungle.
@@Luna_tiko2403no. Trust me I do that all the time if shit is happening. Who the fuck in the winning team would ward their side of the map
@@komilovalyukobondmantaj232 there is the possibility of a creep killing your courier when trying to get there which really fucks you up a lot more.
This video just came out today. Yet it feels like I'm watching a dota vs league comparison video from 2015.
lmao fr
I agree the secret shop seems silly, but can you imagine the enemy team locks you in your base and you can just buy your rapier in base to defend, or any other strong item that requires secret shop.
Or worse you make your friend disconnect and sell his items buy divine … I had one comeback with that
@@rev9115 Such a Chad move.
Not need to imagine, just play turbo
The idea of secrets shop is fking cool. Lore deep
Thats is one of the technicality, its to prevent this kind of imbalances
5:52 back in the dark dark days of village Dota, you had 10 shops at the fountain, 2 side shops on the side lanes and 2 secret shops out in the jungle. and not to mention the courier share system if you wanted to buy anything while laning
That was because warcraft can't have a "next page" button in their store because it's 2003 so they did 10 shopkeepers.
Side shops in Dota 2 were great.
Damn dude I just remember this. I love it actually. I remember there was zeus model, wisp, dragon knight that were selling crap
miss sideshops in dota2. Now gotta wait my courier for minutes to bring me a tp or boots
I actually like dota 1 shops more than dota 2. I can quickly buy items with precise with help from hotkeys
Recepie for items is actually a good thing, this way devs can balance item cost without changing cost of it parts.
If one item is amazing on one hero devs can just rebalance the cost of its recepie so it became less good on this hero.
Finally someone speak on the point. Other than serve as an adjustment / balancing. it also help dev to expend more potential upgraded item or combined item like gleipnir or vessel.
Who knows in future, wegonna have Dagon lvl 10 or maybe midas+rapier recepie. That''s sexy thing about recepie.
League actually also has a recipe system. You can buy all the components individually first and then there is another cost when you buy the upgraded item. You can't buy just the recipe, which isn't a big deal in league since you don't lose gold when dying so you don't really need to get a recipe before the components.
But refresher cost is toomuch though..
Also, recipes are a part of item progression. On your way to Aghs scepter as a squishy hero? Buy that point booster and ogre axe up front and increase your HP pool. Yasha’s move speed and agility boost before Manta Style or Sange and Yasha matters. Point is, these aren’t complicated just because that’s how they’ve been in the past.
I’d say dota2 has done a lot to simplify dota, and bring to the surface the mechanics that were extremely important, but you had to research separately exactly how it worked because they game would never tell you or show you.
@@rifwannthe active is worth that much
Learning dota 1 from your big bro as a kid going from a helpless noob to a decent player over the course of several painful years only to later on see your friends undergo the same excruciating path in dota 2, with you now as their teacher, was such an amazing journey. Dealing with the frustrating lows to in time see them flourish into decent players once they start to understand the game more, and seeing how none of us ever wanted to play anything else but dota once the initial hurdles were overcome... I don't think any other game could replicate that.
finally, some dota and lol difference coming from a real gamer who spent equal time on both
6:51 turn rate is actually a vital mechanic , without it ranged will kite melee forever
The "outdated" game design takes never fails to be nitpicky af IMO. If removing depth and intricacies in mechanics is "up to date". Then why the hell did HOTS die? That game is basically dota without the "outdated" game mechanics. Lets just face the objective truth in life that people like different games for multitude of reasons and that there doesnt need to be one true definitive gaming experience. Thanks for coming to my ted talk.
Righttt??? DOTA's mechanics and game design is basically telling the players to be methodical and precise because each action has its consequences. Like if you didn't pay attention to your courier when sending it to the secret shop then it might get killed by the enemy. And the simple act of items getting delivered is a way of counter play as well, kill the enemy courier then you can deny them their items or their survivability in their lane, or if their courier is killed then the hero needs to buy the item themselves which can put them in danger.
you really comparing HOTS to Dota? gimme some of the crack you sniffing bruh.
@@abigailparaan9093 hey they making a resurgence (probably). Let microsoft cook
while I do agree with your overall conclusion, I must point out that HOTS is not dead, actually; even now it has quite a vibrant and active community, and the queue time does not take more than a min or so. It is in fact abandoned by the developers, of course, so you obviously hear nothing about the game and so on, but it is still out there, it still has quite a significant player base. So if the developers were to resuscitate the game, it would be kicking right now as well.
You are so right idk what kind of bs video creator is talking about.
the best short answer as someone who's played both for more than 10 years also is
league is like playing piano, a fast pace game where you need to precisely hit buttons at the right time while you hit skills shots and try to dodge
dota is like the art of war, you need to properly coordenate with your team, use your resources (and sometimes the team resources) wisely, have a strategy, have a gameplan with itens in mind, with timing in mind, with early/mid/late game in mind, all while you react to your opponent or make them react all that while you try to keep a good gold/xp lead
It really is just a solo vs a musical both sounds really good, but the latter has far more involvement compared to the former.
@@nekoluxuria7721 to be fair you were smarter than me and using both musics metaphors make way more sense 😂
what the he are you talking about, it's slow, 0 active items, 0 teleports, most of the characters don't even have skillshots like teemo kindered katarina annie vayne eve riven jax master yi kayle etc
@@4007a active items: e blade, bkb, satanic, euls, bloodstone, manta style, dragon, harpoon, a lot more that I rather just say over half the roster of available items.
Teleports: blink, town portal, BoT
I will grant skillshot that but dota is definitely not as slow as league. Hell watch grand finals and you can see the difference. A lot of stuff happens in dota compared to league despite not being mechanically fast.
@@4007a nice b8 m8
Turn rate is literally the main reason why League's balance always feels bad for ADCs. When the system mechanics make ranged characters inherently overpowered, you have have to play an insane juggling game as a designer trying to make certain character abilities weak, make certain items balanced for both ranged and melee characters, etc.; and overall this makes balance infinitely more difficult than it needs to be. So many toxic metas could have been avoided if they just kept turn rate.
Actually there is trick to turn with Puck when he is inside phase shift to then insta blink.
Lol the kiting is literally the only thing adc's have to play the game property. Add turn rate to league and adc's are pretty much fkd. You have no idea just how important positioning is in league, it's especially important for adc as they're squishy af and are usually immobile, they rely on auto attacks after all.
@@kish4corheunbl well fuck the ADCs then
@@kish4corheunbl a lot of adc very mobile and they shred any melee hero without too much mobility into pieces. In dota melee heroes have many tools to close the gaps and keep target from running like blink, basher, skadi, diffusal, harpoon (don't recall how it's called exactly) etc, and league if your hero doesn't have 10000 dashes then good luck getting close to adc.
@@yarikyaryi you're thinking in a scenario where it's an actual team fight, ofc if given space to actually free hit, an adc will have a lot of opportunity to kill the enemy. 1v1 vs a melee bruiser will tell you the mobility adc has is just an illusion, not to mention most melee champs are actually pretty mobile as well, and even vs those that aren't, ie. Garen, Darius, it's still apparent how easy for this champs to pick off an adc champ.
i actually disagree. buying stuff on the secret shop is an inherent and important part of the gameplay. better itens require you to risk yourself in order to buy them. it makes perfect sense
yeah, navigating the map and map control is important because there's objectives on the map besides heroes
dota's huge map size compared to league makes it so that an entire team of 5 shouldn't ever be able to occupy and deny a certain area of the map with their presence alone
think of it like working as a security guard of 5 on a big building, that's where you introduce cctv (observer wards)
sneaking your courier to the secret shop is a micro-game you have to do, like "how do i make the enemy stop watching the secret shop?"
@@lifegrain6092 exactly!
@@lifegrain6092 ah yes the *checks google* 124 heroes in dota compared to 165 (and counting) in league
165 with about 25% the ability being a line of damage of different flavours, locked behind grind or money
not hard to learn when at least 60% of abilities is some form of damage, and even less to learn when some champions are just unpopular
oh btw of the 165 how many is in an acceptable balance to play the game properly without effectively throwing the game? oh how diverse is the champions you use?
i've used and won with at least 70% of the current hero pool in dota, i've played meepo, broodmother, and arc warden too
some of the toughest in dota to use currently (balance or just raw micro management)
diversity in gameplay makes it less boring and dota even has a hero that can copy enemy's ability, you have to play the enemy hero better than the enemy is
also rote memorization is only a skill, you can find a good chemist that memorized the periodic table but not all good chemist do
@@lifegrain6092 I don’t play league anymore and I’ve dabbled in dota a bit, I’m not saying one is better or the other, I was just trying to correct you with how many heroes and champs each game has since it sounded like you were bashing league for having too little, and it confused me since I know league had more.
Have a good day, sorry for the miscommunication
Video wasn’t new info from other videos or anything. But it was very entertaining as a dota player. Crank out that algorithm bro
You made the shop system sound way more complicated than it actually is. You can just farm the lane/jungle or even fight and have your courier do all the shopping for you. Also i love the turn mechanic it adds a lot of extra skill to movement.
I think you're mostly right on the Secret shop part, though I wouldn't say it's bad design. The secret shop houses items which is needed to make powerful items, and the shop being out in contested territory does add flavor and depth to both gameplay and map strategy
Hes playing it up to highlight the difference of both games. Literally any player with a brain would just walk on a secret shop in between fighting/farming, buy the item they want and have the recipe delivered to you by courier. And recipes have a major part in balancing items in dota. Imagine buying refesher without the huge recipe cost.
It's just frustrating let's be honest, especially for the losing team.
@@jewii3824wow, losing is frustating, just don't lose then
Recipe is for game balance, some item no need recipe, like Divine....
@@AlexGuaikTVbut you buy that item for the enemy That's it's balance
Well Dota is older and CS older older than Valorant
Dota 1 is older. Dota 2 is younger than league actually.
As an Immortal-ranked player in Dota 2, I can say that while League of Legends players might enjoy Dota 2, the reverse may not hold true. For a seasoned Dota player, LoL might seem overly simple, to the point where it no longer offers fun or challenge. This isn't to discredit LoL but to highlight the different appeals of each game. Dota's complexity and depth provide a unique experience that might not be replicated in LoL for players accustomed to such intricacies
Completely true. I think Dota appeals more to people who want deep mechanics and evem deeper game knowledge/understanding, while League is more for people who enjoy fast and reactive gameplay.
i don't think that's true. i see more league players bitching about dota 2 than dota 2 players bitch about lol. it's fairly obvious for us dota 2 players to know league is abit more "simpler" than dota and even then for me personally i don't mind league's different fast paced gameplay
@@xaevius5319 League's character design is insanely stupid , having heroes/champs without mana instantly makes them stronger than those with mana , imagine ur pushing highground and after 4/5 spell rotations u run out of mana while the enemy doesnt.....
@@shadowraze97Champions without mana are easy to counter or have bad early game overall
@@shadowraze97 It works in League bcs the game is designed around it. Obv a hero w/ no resource usage, be it mana or hp, will be OP as fuck in Dota 2
Secret shop has created a lot of epic moments in dota e.g. Ana selling item for buyback, or buying ring of health so survive posion status effect then selling it afterwards.
Jokes aside, this is actually the best comparison vid out there
With roughly 1/3 of the video focused on how shit both of the communities are 😅But it definitely gives me some insights as an long-time League player who's ditched the game and wants to try out Dota
I think it’s pretty important for the secret shop to exist in dota. Losing map control means losing your secret shop. But if you’re sneaky enough with your courier you can smuggle secret shop items back to yourself. It’s annoying, but I think very vital for competitive integrity.
I play dota 1 for the last 3 years and when i play LOL i reach diamond in 1 season. Then i stop playing lol in season 5 and played dota 2 in 2017, i got ancient in 2018. Then i got back to league in 2019 i only reach platinum. After a year i got back at dota 2 again, first 2 game is hard, i need to adjust. But after that it was all good, peak 2018. Dota 2 is all about mechanics, when you know the mechanics you can come back anytime while LoL is all about reflex, speccialy in higher rank. I know this because i notice that the older i got, my hand doesnt listen to my mind anymore just like the good old days.
Anyway
Dota 2 = all about mechanics
LoL = all about reflex
That's just not true. The reason you peaked lower everytime you came back to league is because the game has evolved a lot in the last years and the average player is way better and has more game knowledge. For example 8 years ago no one even knew what wave management was. Nowadays it's a fundamental of the game and even gold players know a thing or two about it. You can be bad mechanically or have high ping and still be high rank in league, because it's all about decision making and anticipation, not reaction. That's how you get players that hit challenger at 150 ping. Mechanics are important, but there are way more important things.
I can't talk about Dota2, since I haven't played it. I'm sure it's very difficult, everybody seems to have the same opinion on it. But your League take is wrong, or at least obsolete
@@ImKioto97every LOL RUclipsr that tries out Dota 2 is very nooob tbh....so Dota is a harder game
@ohreally6945 so dota is a different game*
@@ricirici08 its still a moba at its core,it just has way more mechanics and the hero skills are way more advanced than any other moba
@@ohreally69 it’s still a moba and that’s a fact, but the path to destroy nexus is crazy different. Even a basic thing like turrets aggro is totally different. Or wave management. The matchups. The role 4 and 5 in dota, the support and jungler in lol. Many other things that don’t transfer from a game to another. I know plenty of dota players, where they are good, playing league for thousands hours and still being bronze. Once you properly learnt one of the 2 games, you won’t probably bother to get good in the other one, because both the games need A LOT of time (years), to get decent at, plus they are very old games, with players that played for a decade and there is no way you’ll get to their level unless you are 12yo. Both games are very good, dota kinda has a deeper macro, league of legends has a more arcade gameplay, it’s more fun to play characters there. I find league of legends players to stick to just one character because the learning curve of the character itself is huge, while on dota it’s more tactic and you can easier hop from a character to another according to what team needs.
if u think shop in dota2 is confusing, then try playing dota1
I could count the pixels on dota 1
@@yofedstyhrega4594 you have time to waste
Holy hell. Were there 5 shops? Or more? I can't fucking remember. The thing I remember is getting confused of where to buy the damn items.
@@BalaNHSRegionVII-Cebuin dota1 depends on the version, there were multiple shops on base, I think about 8 of them per base, and then 4 secret shops, 2 on each side.
@@potassiumming04it was hell for me back then when i was a stupid kid trying to buy at least something for my hero.
Awesome video as usual bro, but I know deep down you have and will always have a soft spot for DOTA. Especially Lanaya.
im subbing for the mere fact you played both for 10 years! you deserve a sub in exchange of your impending mental breakdown brother!
I remember back in my college days.. I have this friend who bought 6 tissue paper (all recipe) for invoker and he was so proud of it tellling us that he was already locked item. Lol🤣🤣🤣
As a guy who has 40.000 hours in both combined I can confirm all of this. Also i was laughing so hard😂
psychopath detected
How are you not bald yet.
@@2nerC9 how do you know I'm not? 🥴
You wasted so many hours and you’re not even payed to play those games mate wtf
Turn rate and secret shop exist because of hero balance and also sets apart players who can micro and know stats. There's a clip of a Spectre with litteraly 1 hp because of her armlet, and carrying a rapier. She used Phase and she was able to walk through somebody and just keep stabbing them in the back and move over perfectly between each auto attack from the enemy to stay out of their turn rate and never get hit She won, and then proceeded to win the match because she understood this 1 mechanic most people just decide to get mad at and not master. It also balances heroes like Terrorblade who if he could ult out his asshole instantly, would be undefeatable. There's also nukers like Zeus, powerful stunners like WitchDoctor and Ogre Magi, and powerful game ending ults like Warlock's ult that would become too good if they could instantly drop one behind themselves. These miliseconds make a massive, huge difference in high skill play and if turn rate didnt exist the game would become a whole lot less fun and less strategic. It would also throw more than half the roster under the bus and leave the game in a state of a very boring linear meta.
Secret shop exists because it's part of Dota's neutral game, which matters WAY more than League's. Every second of your position, where your team goes, etc. matters so much and having a part of the shop outside of spawn safety is part of this neutral game. If it didn't exist, characters like AM would be uncatchable and would just stomp lobbies if you couldn't utilize warding and smoking secret shops.
Turn rate exist because it's a legacy from the age of WC3. Same as secrete shop.
It's a battle arena game. You encourage battle. If you can win by not doing battle, like avoid your lane to farm your jungle, stand behind and deny creep, then why bother playing MOBA?
stop enemy from even buying items making the match even more one side?
Damn I just got back to LoL after playing a bit in like 2018, having also played a few hundred hours of Dota in like 2015-2019. This is quite informative as 99% of videos on RUclips are "How to play Dota for League players" and not the other way around. Thx Blitz :)
So you mean dota2 is better.Fine,fine.
I think I can agree, it has more depth and is more polished in a way, however... I find it boring. I like faster pace and I hate turn rate and overly complicating things. For the same reason I enjoy card games such as Gwent or Hearthstone over Magic, even though Magic you could argue is better and has more depth.
imagine having a surrender option.
LMAO. weak
Imagine dead game DOTO LOL@@YBgusi
@@lolthatfunny ☝️🤪
@@SuomenPaska i don't mind faster pace but the map and diversity of heroes plus the items that actually feel different from each other and has actual impact over just stat sticks in league is > for me.
Mythic's sucks bcoz it tries to lock u in one meta but riot said it'll be removed next year in the new season
well recipies seal the item, so finalizing them that way makes sense to differe from items u can dissamble.
feels so good and efficient to split a mask of madness back up and build butterfly and satanic out of the original components after using it for the midgame power it provides :D
AN HOUR FOR DOTA GAMES!? Easily!?
Damn. I just started playing league and I love it but when I’m losing a game, it sucks cause it’s like 25 minutes of losing.
Couldn’t imagine an hour of getting smashed
League is too easy now that I have played dota and really not balanced. Very little strategy and just too arcadey. But dota can tone down on a few things too to make it more approachable for a wider audience. And dota is the superior game
My issue with dota balance, which is still way superior to league IMO, is that there are just some outlier heroes that Valve just refuses to do anything about, even tho' they could easily. I'm talking about the usual smurf heroes everyone has been complaining for years on end, the tinkers, arc wardens, I guess mby the huskars& meepos too tho' not nearly as much as the other 2, arguably the invokers & pucks too cause what were once rare picks only played by folks who invested tons of time in 'em , are things you see once every 3-5 games (or once every other game in Voker's case). Things like his shard EMP being like a Enigma black hole on low cd with tons of mana drain for instance, are NOT cool.
Aside from those tho' , it's generally much better. Yea, there's some patch favs but there's always niche counters that genuinely work well vs 'em with the right items & playstyle. We see carry willow in TI being hit or miss basically, and mostly miss in pubs, yet broken in the right conditions.
But I just don't know why do Volvo & some of the community INSIST on nothing being done about those mentioned heroes that legit most of the community hates and the games honestly feels way better off when no1 plays ' em. Who's even having fun in a game vs Tinker or Arc Warden besides the mf playing 'em? Their kits are inherently just toxic design, as if made by some 12y ol that wants to ignore most of the game mechanics, bypass most counters and just play on GM mode stomping regular, "pleb" heroes that have to play by at least some rules.
@@MgMast3rwhy would valve balance the game for random pub stompers?
The bigger problem for me is that litterly half the unranked games I play everyone wants to play supp and no one wants mid
@@osk4r99everyone want to play supp yet focus scepter as their 1st main item and really do what the support job supposed to do amirite?
@@osk4r99 And that is the best thing that has ever happened to me in Dota as a mid player xD
Agreed. I can consistenly win every lane in league and outplay enemies. I think league players are more of casual / eboys
As a dota 2 player since beta invite and League since season 3, I hate both game. Yet I still play Wild Rift on mobile phone, because I hate myself
wild rift would be fun if all skills were locked on and balanced in that way.......aiming skill shots on a tiny ass screen is fkn cancer
Honestly the reason I love league (before Vanguard update) is because the characters are distinct, the aesthetics have contrast.
In comparision Dota, none of the characters feel distinct, it's hard to tell the boundaries of mobs, heros, characters. And the lighting feels like they just turned up the exposure on everything.
without turnrate you cant have meaningful pathfinding or any its consequent mechanics(hero/creep blocking, tree jukes)
:)
Without turnrate, bistleback will be god
No turnrate would pretty much benefit cheaters the most. Imagine a bristleback that walks towards you, but whenever a spell or projectile is about to hit him, he turns INSTANTLY which negates the damage, then continues to hit you while turning instantly every time you try to hit him. Dota may have a few cheaters in it, but not as much as league.
@@AlexGuaikTVoh god... you're fckin right.
Those last 30 seconds were a truth bomb hahahahaha as someone with similar experience in both games, I totally agree with all you said
As someone who has 6k hours in DOTA. And 1k in League.... we are definitely all just a community of psychopaths. Maybe SMITE is the true MOBA king 🤴
SMITE Goated
SHUT UP SMITE
smite ping and message are pure cancer
The latest insult thrown at me in a leauge game was "go 0/1 irl"
I want a surrender system in Dota
Yeah. Playing a dead game for an hour can be really boring.
play lol. Dota is not for u.
@@raphaels33 yeah dead like u finds everything boring
@@raphaels33 Doesn't sound dead if it went for an hour
Surrendering is for pussies. You queued the game, so fucking play the game.
That outro when he bags on both games was fucking hilarious 😆 I was dying of laughter
Man I miss seeing that old SF
LoL is like an automatic car, simple, very intuitive and fun to drive.
Dota is a manual, exhausting at times but you feel more connected to the game.
Dota2 is a masterpiece MOBA that isn't really comparable to League, but both games are fun and challenging in different ways. (A big asterisk here for League, since I am referring to back in the day league that was infinitely better than it is now.)
I play Dota since like 2003-2004 and League for 2 years back in S2-S3. Played both games competitively, or at least with that mindset and I gotta tell you I had fun in League.
It's really not comparable to Dota in terms of almost anything. The Depth in Dota is something magical, the variety this game has is probably in the realm of chess games variety.
You can see incredible things not thought possible, almost every year at The International. It's crazy!
Anyway, with that said I don't think the two games need to be compared. They appeal to different audiences. I would be lying if I said I didn't enjoy the fast paced gameplay league had to offer back then. It was extremely fun to destroy and outplay people on my Orianna and Ezreal. Unfortunately I think Riot chose a very bad way of balancing League in the long run.
Long story short Dota is better, but not everyone wants to have to go through a university of theory just to be able to understand what's going on in a game and that's fine.
That's how legacy games usually are. Especially one like Dota where the game evolved enormously over its lifespan, but a lot of mechanics and even heroes are nearly identical to what they used to be 15 years ago.
Edit: Oh and btw I'll always respect Riot for Arcane. They completely destroyed Valve in the animes department and that shit is a masterpiece! ;)
Edit2: Pretty good video too now that I finished it I guess we feel pretty similarly about the topic.
I think League has balance issues that run deep and have become unsalvageable w/o low-key remaking the game - a rabbit hole of toxic design needing to be addressed by more toxic design (most modern hero kits since several years now), or reworks, in a game of ever-rising power creep so there's no getting better.
But Dota doesn't have these issues, just a few outlier heroes that the game'd prolly be better off w/o (stuff like Tinker/Arc Warden) that almost no1 likes playing vs or with those, but it's just a very small nr of heroes. In a sense it does make it kinda frustrating that Volvo just leaves 'em like this tho' ... Aside from that, the inherent, core game design is indeed a masterpiece and with such a solid foundation of "every move you perceive as broken has a reasonable counter, sometimes easier to pull off than you think to the point that it acts like an eye opener when you DO figure it out & feel like you've ascended to a new level of game knowledge" , it'll inherently just offer a more rewarding & exciting experience for me, while with League it's more like a thing to play on the fly, kinda like a mobile game.
That and, the fact that the clients feel like decades apart : P Blitz should've mentioned this...
Agreed, Both game Have their own Major Flaws, but They still have their own audience.
@@MgMast3r Yep. The major difference in balancing between both games is that Riot have chosen a strategy to balance their game around new champions. Which just doesn't work in the long run. Since they become too many, too quickly and introducing new mechanics only through the champion pool creates too many issues over time. While Valve rehaul the whole game of Dota including map and everything every so often.
that anime part is true... i can't even bother to finish dragon's blood book 3
@@nicholasxamotainiumgilgamesh It's so bad. Only the first season was decent and still not that great.
You my friend just earned a new SUB. I really enjoyed your video
No way did bro day that a single game lasting more than an hour is fun 💀
facts in any case good vid
Turbo matches is the way to go these days. For your dose of hate.
A close Dota game lasting for an hour or more gets so tense that you get more feelings from this single game than your last 50 games of League combined (except frustration, you got a lot of that in League). That's why it drains you mentally, and even physically.
That's also why the victory is muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch sweeter in Dota.
If you play with friends? Hell yeah, it's super tense and you guys can think and talk about that one game for days. Truly wholesome 👌
Close hour game of dota is by far the best gameplay experience Ive had, it is truly exhilarating
5:46-6:22 I'm getting some real Egoraptor/Sequelitis vibes. Like...EXACTLY the san same.
This dude definitely enjoyed watching Sequelitis when he was younger
remember the 2 tanggoes 1 ward? yea you're that old
Very good point on the legacy mechanics. Some dota players really intend to die on those.
Especially the turn rate, inherent lag, and secret shop.
One thning i hate in dota is that match are too long maybe 50 min and none wants to do repetitive things in the game. We cant spend a lot of time with no reason in a video game. You should make games faster in dota like max 35-40 min.
just play Turbo in Dota
Turbo is more tryhard than both Normal and Ranked combine, and the game also ended up on average above 35,@@keithnicholas
They Should add Forfeit for Soloqueue
id take a single 60 min game per session in dota than 3-5 total games per session in league, its way more satisfying regardless of losing or winning.
@@HeseliqMikav im guessing you have nothing else to do.
I think without turnrate chasing blinkouts will be. I can run forward and just blink sideways into trees
why is your dota content in 144p ?
League used to have way longer matches with towers playing a more important role. But they made the game fast paced to make it more attractive for more people to play...
in short...less braincells; instable; young people -> LoL
Chesslevel brain; matured human beeings -> DotA
thanks for the summary!
Less brain cells; unstable* -> LoL
Less brain cells; unstable-> Dota.
Both communities are braindead. Don't @ me. It's the truth
MATURED?? WE?? FUCK NO!! HARD FUCK NOO!
CHESSLEVEL BRAIN??? YOU ACTUALLY SERIOUS?????????????
Matured human being? 😂😂
lol player huh? @@chunito
Honestly based on what you said the post at 6:45 sounds pretty accurate. Dota sounds like an MMORPG in a MOBA format. Cool and magical, but an absolute nightmare I never want to try to learn.
HOTS Player:
I can play with my AI friends!
As a zed/riven/leblank LoL player and a Puck/Storm Spirit/void spirit player on dota i can say that dota is way more fastplaced than lol. Plus something you did not mention is that dota cast range is way higher, that makes fights even harder to follow and harder to predict.
"Dota Is fastpaced than LOL". DUDE Im sorry Is quite the oposite. Dota Is knowed as strategic slow game, games on Dota lasts 1 Plus hour, Lol Is fast dinamic and flashy.... games there last 30 minutes 40 at Max.
@@raphaels33It's fast paced because there are a lot more things going, lot more stuff to track and do every minute. In league you just wait until someone lands a spell or make a mistake. Faster game, yeah. Faster paced, nah
6:25 You dont like some of the mechanics so you call Dota outdated? could someone elaborate on this?
Brother is a gamer, not a game designer. He's just making a joke
@@mdk064hernandez9 oh ok.
Dota 2 is just much more complex than LoL
I can even say Dota 2 is much more easier to build items due to having a guide unlike in Dota 1 where you literally have to memorize every recipe + items required to build specific items heck even bots of Dota 1 ( even easy difficulty ) can play well against a seasoned Dota player and if a LoL player decides to play a high rank Dota match that person isn't gonna have a fun time especially there are wave blocking and careful ward placements in the map so you won't get jumped by the enemy team while farming and also there's creep denying.
If you had the feeling of being level 5 while the rest of your teammates are already level 7 or above that's the feeling of always being creep denied especially if your enemy is good on denying you creeps to prevent you from levelling up.
i miss that time you can TT all day without being muted and censored
this is just so fucking on point!!!!!!!!!! people surrendering at anything!!!!!!!! is so frustrating!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Playing both games for 4 years ... i can relate and agree with you
Cant spell LOL without the L🗣
Jokes aside amazing video loved how you showed both negatives and positives and the rage at the end😂
Dota 2 = dynamic + more comeback and playmaking
LoL = 1v1 focused + teamfights are literally just who has the better mechanical farmed thousand dash, shield, outplay, hypercarry sweatlord onetrick
Both are trash and we are racoons that love it all
teamfights in LoL last like 10/15 seconds
@requimofsouls but they are still both trash and I'm a racoon who loves it all
Both games have toxic communities but I give props to the DOTA community for at least trying to give me advice when I tell them I don’t know how to play. Whenever I’d see people ask for help in league usually they’d just get told to uninstall
LoL is good for kids play.
God damn, this dota footage must have been captured on a nvidia card in the double digits series, I didn't even know it was possible to make it look that bad.
League is at one of its worst points at the moment. Cant really say the same about dota.
well the compendium sucks and the current TI is no longer entertaining(?)
@@VV-rm5qs neither affect how you play the game and your enjoyment of it.
@@gevmaedahtkuont5387 you are right about that. mb
both game are equally the same
Remember in Dota 1 when there were like 4 shops in the fountain. Oh my god the number of times i just kept clicking through them to find one single fucking item.
"PRETTY FÍNG OLD IT'S OKAY TO MOVE ON VALVE!!" made me ded.🤣🤣
Why does Dota 2 sound so simple back in the day? I literally remembered it being just a casual game night with the boys 😂
bro turnrate is an amazing mechanic TT
Remember as well, TPs have to be bought in Dota and have a cd, you also lose gold when you get killed. Dota is like 5-man chess, where league is like a 5 man hack and slash game. I’d recommend League for newer players as it’s less complex than of Dota, but if you want to test your skill, go for Dota
Maybe in dota2 they need to add votes to end the game whenever the timer exceed 60 min. Maybe not in ranked match, but in unranked matches. Getting pretty exhausted when practicing new strategy but the game went 60min.
It's about typing "END" in all chat but still defending with all you have
DotA 2 practically became LoL.
It's not gritty anymore, just some happy chappy gamestyle.
Just like all game series became.
WoW and GTA are some examples.
great video dude, had me laughing the whole time
i haven't played league since like 2013 and wanted to play again. Turns out the new anti cheat software just straight up doesn't work with some CPUs so this was the perfect video for figuring out what to expect trying out dota
Remember side shops in dota2? Good'ol days.
Is it possible to learn to play dota without getting my ass flamed every single game? Or should I just use the op strategy of /mute all (if dota even has that)
My only issue with League was, that every fucking character gets crazier and crazier with the movement ability.
I get it, the game is fast so the characters need to be fast as well, but then my stupid-ass that was maining Xerath, Vel'Koz and Vlad is an equivalent of stabbing yourself into your thighs with a screwdriver while trying to do squats.
At least in Dota my mains even if they are not meta, still can win the game and adjust to the meta, or at the very least you can support by stacking, warding/de-warding, smoke up your team and do harm to the enemy team by scouting out their stacks and having deep wards to spot smokes.
Afterall, DotA is more about information, so if your pick sucks, you can always play the long game, evade enemy as long as possible in hopes you'll outfarm them :^)
Played Dota II for two days, used Shadow Fiend because it looked epic, quit since didn't know how it fucking works.
Someone has said it, every Dota player probably said it in their mind, but I'll say it anyway. To me, what makes Dota "Dota", are the small things. Every mainstream MOBA I've played, ML, Hahahaha (LOL), and including Dota have raw stats item. Such as damage, defence/armor, resists. But for Dota and Dota specifically, there are these small things/mechanics like true strike/evasion - esp the low/high ground miss chance mechanic, individual stats and main attributes, passive breaking, front/back attack and including the most important mechanic, turn rate. Turn rate is by far the most annoying and important aspect of game mechanic. It is also what divides the ranks. While in the high and very high MMR it's up to the mistakes/strategy/draft to win games, in mid to low MMR, it's the mechanics. And if you watch low rank games, you'll always see them waste time trying to attack as range (such as Sniper) but as the enemy melee catch up they turn again without actually getting an attack off. They kept spinning without attacking due to turn rate. So only people who actually knows the mechanic can control/use the kiting system in Dota effectively.
Lol this guy is fkin hilarious 😂😂
Also I've never played Dota but one thing I really hates about league is that I'm a late game character (kog'maw) and need about 25 minutes to hit my stride but too many times the team will surrender at 15 and we're not even losing and it's ranked for gods sakes
I also played both games for over a decade and i agree with you on almost everything, except about drafting.
League has a super static gameplay, there is no wave pull, no jungle stacking, no crep agro pulling...if your champion cannot trade u simple lose the lane instantly
Good POV. Just remember your 10 years experience only belongs to ranks where players don't know what to do
IMO DotA is built around its items and LoL is built around its champions.
A DotA player will say that LoL has shallow build diversity and overall game mechanics(denying creeps, access to jungle for whole team, greater map mobility)
A LoL player will say that DotA is less exciting due to slower game pace, turn speed, really strong CC, and bland heroes(personality/simplistic abilities)
Dota heroes are bland? 😂😂😂😂 There are 50 or more different skils that are unique to dota heroes , lol champions are copy and paste 😂😂😂😂
@@naynyamish270 Gonna have to disagree here. DotA has a lot more basic heroes that don't even have skill shots. The heroes themselves are simpler but make up for it with complex items.
@@andreybrushchenko4249that is contradiction. Saying dota 2 have simple ability while most of the league champ have skill shot.
Dota is by far have the most unique abilities. I'm talking about the basic skills right now. But if you buy Aghanim, your skills will evolve. Not only that, there is skills tree that can evolve heroes ability skills.
Dota have more depth than league by far, not even a comparable actually.
as a meepo main since i started, and i literally just started.
THE GAMES ARE SO LONG AND THE LONGER THE GAME IS, THE HARDER IT IS FOR ME, BECAUSE ILL KEEP LEVELLING
7:00 Ok, never playing league. I need voice chat, you can't make tight calls with typing. You need to be able to talk.
And to the guys going "Oh but what if chat is toxic-" So what? Just mute the guy. You gonna MELT if someone calls you a slur? Hear some gamer voice chat some time, it'll toughen you up. And because these people are too afraid of being called a mean word, they want everyone to suffer and NOT have nice things; like voice chat.
7:20 100%. I hate the coin flip bans.
7:23 LOL.
Dude, Blitz, your videos are getting even funnier. XD
I guarantee that most League players would kill to have voice chat
Who remembers the side shops and buying your brown boots or a poor man’s shield.
RIP side shop, never forget :'(
they never should've gotten rid of the side shop idk what drugs they were on when they decided that, as well as adding neutral items
for both games u have to sacrifice your soul and probably your family and I love it
I don't agree with the ''bad game design'' of dota's buying mechanic. I had my fair share of games won because we knew the enemy team had a key item to buy in the secret market and couldnt get out of base, so we waited around with a ward to snipe the courier and make sure their PA wouldnt suddenly pop outta base with a divine or a Void with a refresher. It is convoluted but it is not pointless. And turn rate is goat, it might be one of the biggest mechanical reasons why Dota is harder and more strategic focused. Cuz positioning fking matters as infinite kiting is next to impossible. Also it is a mechanic that you can abuse.
I love how at the end you just couldn't hold it and you said fuck both of the games xd i agree
Your bristleback rant was short and sweet and made me pee my pants 10/10 would tap
i dont like to see trash talk,but the way u curse made my day😂
"15 consecutive games of league" has the same vibe of "8 hours of deathmatch on shipment" or "3 hours of working out in a gym"
the appeal is that you weren't thinking much, so it's less mentally exhausting
3 games of dota feels like 3 separate and different rollercoasters, you'd be pretty tired of rollercoasters for a bit and might consider a chill time on a ferris wheel for while
but goddamn if you're into it after every moba game it feels like you were so close to making a breakthrough on improving, so you queue another one hoping that that "it will happen this time"
*sigh*