The Current State of League of Legends Lore
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2024
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00:00 The Boy Who Shattered Time
01:47 The Ruination
11:58 Arcane Is Canon
16:49 They Have Said This Before
22:45 The Aftermath
36:56 The Layoffs
41:12 Present and Future
52:22 Hope?
RUclipsr Videos Used:
• Building a Better Unbo... by @TBSkyen
• League of Legends Univ... by @Necrit
• Making Arcane "canon" ... by @TBSkyen
Footage:
• CONVERGENCE: A LEAGUE ... by @glp
• Ruined King A League o... by @Hopezera
• SONG OF NUNU: A LEAGUE... by @glp
• Star Guardian Wild Rif... by @leaguesfx
Riot Games songs used:
Ekko, the Boy Who Shattered Time
The Ruined King by Gareth Coker
Azir, the Emperor of the Sands
Dominion - Pt. 1
Loss by Gareth Coker
Courtesy of Riot Games www.leagueoflegends.com/en-au...
Other songs are from Legends of Runeterra, Runescape 3, Gravity Rush 2
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Loved this video! It's a fantastic breakdown of League's lore and how it's changed over time. Easily one of the best reviews out there.
if arcane stayed as a seperate universe it would not need maintaining since it was very much made with the expectation that its stays its own thing, so it will tell a self caontained story. And if they think its worth continuing that, then just make more of it.
Also, if they want to make lore more accessible, why didnt they made the biger stories into audio books? feels like no brainer.
Tho as bleak as the future seems, the wild rift event genuenly looks great, im really done with viego, but if a champion turns up that I care abaut in one of them I might just pick up wild rift.
man as a Varus fan. what you said about what happened to them gets to me. people waited so long for lore only to change his persoanitly. and reveal that his "sister" was Naafari was revealed in a reddit commet
yeah just an unfortunate lazy rewrite of his original lore forced him in to this terrible position.
@@8itesize yes no one cares about Varus
As someone who has been following the lore since summoners were still canon, I appreciate you putting so much effort into tackling this topic. It's admittedly really difficult to get excited for much of anything anymore-- Universe had me hyped when it came out, everything was in shambles but for once this seemed like they were taking serious steps to actually making a cohesive narrative, then fast forward to now. Writers who were laid off in the past mentioning how riot saw them as expendable, and many creatives now getting laid off after having quite literally carried the narrative direction of the universe on their backs.
It's like riot want the game to only *seem* like it has a consistent story without plotholes while not putting their money where their mouth is and actually funding that process. Arcane and burning tides have taught them that if they actually take things seriously they get rewarded for it, and yet the only takeaway they seem to have gotten from the past 6 years is that the ruination failed and no one likes reading stories they write
Plot holes shouldn't be what Riot worries about. Like if they were no wonder if sucked
I miss summoners...
you're a fossil dude so am i but i wasn't really a big lore fan just knew some of it but the game is what i was engaged with 😁
@@ehcsitroM lmao i wasn't around for most of the old stuff like journals of justice but arrived just in time to see most of the lore get retconned followed by shurima's massive glowup with azir
I feel like making Arcane the canon of League was not a good decision. It's simply too different from League's champions and worked best as its own separate thing. It should have stayed that way.
It also destroys so much of the world building of the entire runeterra universe outside of P&Z. It really was such a bad decision.
Hopefully it doesn't ruin any external products. If they keep the changes to the God-forsaken lore pages, it's fine.
@@molamola9723the two worlds are merging as far as my knowledge goes. So whilst we will have nicer not as glorious revolution version of Viktor as canon we will still have swain as one of the leaders if noxus, and jarvan as king of demacia. Arcane alone isn't becoming the main canon.
@@tabun1484 On a greater scale, the two universes just fundamentally don’t work together. The world of Arcane is based on the fact that magic is this rare, unheard of, and hard to obtain power; the whole plot of the show hinges on it. The regular runeterra universe is the opposite: magic is everywhere and commonplace. In runeterra basically all of Ionia can wield magic, noxus has a ton of mages and magic, demacia has an oppressed mage class, targon is full of celestial magic, bandle city is magic incarnate. No one would bat an eye at the invention of hextech. In arcane it’s treated as some world-shattering discovery, but in runeterra there would’ve been a bunch of mages that already just live in P&Z, it just doesn’t work.
@@molamola9723 its gets worse when you remember that Shurima's,Freljord's and Tragon's whole lore is based on magic and the fact that Qiyana's and Millio's powers are still canon due to the Skarner rework so that mean that Nidalee being able to shapesfit is still canon so that mean that Neeko and Rengar and Malph are still canon plus if magic is rare then how does the yordles work and the fact that lissandra is holding the world together with magic so runeterra domt make sense to be still a thing without magic
Riot Games should create a new Marvel-like branch, and instead of commissioning from time to time, have a permanent dedicated team to shape and write every story in a comic format. Everything in them being canon (and adding everything from the past to the present and whatever new things come along).
And these comics could be read-online pay-per-chapter, like the manhwa business model. That way, the lore can stand by itself, and we won't have a "It's not a priority" and firing of writers again, because I'm sure people will buy them and love them if it's done right.
This would be faster and less expensive than making Arcane or other shows or movies. And more profitable and less niche than written (Words-only) free stories that not many are willing to read (Because most people don't like just reading, they need drawings).
When you say that and say marvel like i see marvel as telling the same story with the same characters over and over again same with dc. Continious coherent stories they do that for a while then restart.
Yes because they are pulling isle with society number 4 instead of making Shurima ONE or something
Didn't they commission marvel to do Zed's comic or am I mistaken?
What kinda bs is this... pay per chapter wtf who tf would do that. How bout a monthly sub or sumn. Aint paying per fucking chapter cuzzin
@@GeninGeo I just meant it as "serialized comics"
I look back at League's glory years with a lot of bitter-sweetness. I was enamored with League's lore since I was a teenager, before the big summoner's retcon. I would get very excited with each new champion or story release, and when I felt that wasn't enough, I would even read fanfics and look at fanart, made by people all around the world who shared the same passion for this universe as me. I would also have my own headcanons, visualizations of written, drawn or animated continuations of stories I really liked, which I wish I had the talent and time to bring to life. All of that was truly a magical feeling. I'll forever cherish those memories made possible by all the amazing writers' and artists' legacy. I hope they enjoy successful lives and get to share more of their great work with the world, wherever they may be.
All that said, I am basically done with the lore. The Ruination was such a devastating disappointment for me, that I think it just broke me. My long, long years of frustration with ridiculous and boring designs, and scarce, irrelevant and/or contradicting pieces of storytelling scattered around League's IP simply ended; all those things didn't anger me like before, I suddenly just stopped caring. I no longer expect anything from Riot, I can't. For my own sake, I fully accepted that all the characters I loved will probably never have a great story again. I'll enjoy the good stuff IF it comes out, but I completely stopped holding my breath for it.
I'm glad you were able to end the video on a positive note. Excellent work btw! Very comprehensive review and neat editing :) Keep it up! ❤
same like bro :((
I have very similar feelings for a bit different reasons. Mainly the lore surrounding the Mageseeker game going into a direction... that to put it nicely I personally don't think is going into a good/promising direction.
Secondly and this was a lot more subconcious before Twisted mentioned it in this video, but just all the signs that Riot as a company really doesn't care about the lore and having it be even remotely good is only due to the constant fighting, blood and tears of Rioters who do care about it.
I do think that Arcane will continue to be a good series, but I think that the Lore itself will never reach it's full potential, because the structural change at Riot needed for that is never going to happen.
Very good video summarizing the state of the lore in League! Probably the best review of how things have gone over the years.
But yeah, one of the worst issues is how uncertain everything feels. Its completely whack, for example, how the best you can hope for canon confirmation is that some piece of new lore (?) eventually comes out directly contradicting an old thing, someone asking a writer on Twitter, and them saying that it is outdated lore. Or, more likely, just going back to saying that it's a "what if" scenarios and "different versions of canon".
The whole thing with Arcane being the new basis for canon just baffles me. 2019's Joker didn't need to erase The Killing Joke to be a good story. Both versions can be their own thing.
Riot contradict everything they say. They promise canon lores and a story but we get marketing stuff we didn't need so they can sell instead of giving us lore accurate event and content.
And they should place a writer that is good at making monsters or cosmic horror for making any void monster lore or any monster lore ..
Let's be honest, If RIOT never get a biggest Lore wise backlash than the last up to date (Sentinels of light), they will never go back or at least stop doing this One Runeterra thing and say publicaly that some of their part messed up. The problem is that by design, the changes will be small and will be easly hidden to lot of players as they will most likely not be shown to every player in a visual novel asking them to grind 20 games a day until most of the none lore people not already fed up with it are... They used the fact that it was lore wise to focus their "excuses" on the lore representation more than how bad their management and money pratices were in my sense bad... (And seeing the lay off... Management seem realy fine... (It's sarcasme)).
So, If it's truly bad or they don't want to try to do it anymore for too many reason. It will just stay as it is and we will have like 3 era of canon... The pre 2014 changes. The pre Arcane is canon lore periode and the next one...
Is the lore of league of legend accessible ?... No ! Is it perilous to get to know it, I don't think so... At least, its better in my opinion than other video base game media like for exemple some gacha games, were story driven content are event not anymore supported to increase fomo of all things... We have videos, games, content creator... And "universe" as bad as this website is, it exist.
Is the lore of Arcane more accessible ? Yes... Will the fact that the lore of league coincide with Arcane will increase the lore league popularity ? Surely... Will the fact that the lore are the same will incentive to people to come to the next "Universe" to see all the story and content and so on... Maybe. But not every person will do somekind of homework like seeing three series and X spinoff shows to see Arcane3. Its league, not Disn... with Marv... on Disn+
On that note, I can't wait like people coming from arcane1 before, people coming from arcane2 to observe how weird universe is managed...
Thank you for pouring so much time into this video. As a new fan of league, only ever watching the worlds events and random gameplay videos, I've been sucked in to learning the world and lore after becoming fascinated with the characters. I watched Arcane in passing when my sister watched it in 2021, but just this week rewatched it all to keep learning.
But I started to notice that the fanfiction I've been reading has a really hard time integrating with the world lore. I was wondering why.
This video serves as an excellent timeline full of answers. Even as emotionally charged as it is, you've given me the answer I needed.
I can't stop myself from deep diving into the world of Runeterra's characters. I like the art and music a lot more than their stories. But now... I want to see league's lore as something thoughtful and cohesive.
I'll definitely take your warning seriously and wait for change.
The only reason I care about Riot Games is Arcane and their lore. Just looking at the champions and their lore and character designs says a lot. The only well designed champions after 2016 are Ornn and Pyke in my opinion. Now the champions look like goth girls, E boys and just in general look extremely bad. They all have to look sexy, cartoonish, cute or fancy in some distasteful way. I mean just look at Viego, Briar or Vex just to name a very few. The shift is remarkably sudden at just between 2016 and 2017. It is really sad to see as the Runeterra universe had the best vibe and lore and look in general out of any franchise. In the beginning my theory was that all the talented lore writers and character design people went to work on Arcane and left the rest in disrepair. Now with the mass layoffs and utter trash being released and the handling of their universe/canon, I have lost hope. Do not cry over a good thing ending, smile because it happened.
Also Whei...
league of anime
I got to a point with the lore where I just went with my headcannon especially for my favorite characters( Asol, Azir, Akshan, Taliyah). Great video overall. Major props for the work and time you must have taken getting everything together. Lore communities benefit greatly from having people like you around. Best of luck for future videos which I hope to get notified on after subbing!
I fell in love with the world of Runeterra before I ever even played the game League of Legends. I would watch my stepbrother play lol and he would tell me the lore of the champions he was playing, that got me to want to go read more about these characters, and I read as much of the lore that was available at the time. A year later in 2015 I started playing lol, and it felt so cool to play the characters I had read about, I was hooked immediately. I’ve played lol since then and consumed anything that could possibly be lore related. Hearing riot talk about making Arcane canon oddly made me terrified, what’s gonna happen to the amazing world sooo many people put their souls into ? I continue to play lol because I fell in love with the world and stories these people made, not simply just because riot made a fun game, but because those writers are the ones who made lol great, they made lol what it is today. I wish riot had respect for these people like I do, arcane, can still be successful as it own story in an alternate universe, no need to remove the stories we already have
That's the best video from you so far. I don't often comment on RUclips, but I felt like I should tell you that :) It was amazing piece of deep dive and I'm glad I watched it. Even for the person who is up to date with everything happening lore-wise in Riot, it still was a great essay which featured so many new thoughts. Honestly, sorry to be a bit nasty, but I wasn't expecting that from you. I watched most of your videos and always had some sort of the problem with it, mostly that it was either released too late to be relevant in discussion or that it was "good concept, bad execution" kind of the deal. But lately I've been seeing so much progress, the pace of video is so much better, you seem to became less shy, every information is fact-checked. I always enjoyed your imagination, eye-to-detail and connecting the dots to make crazy theories (your Hwei's theory is still my head canon lore and I would die on that hill)... so I'm very glad you're also learning to be great RUclipsr. Wish you so much luck, I hope I didn't sound too negative hfbdgsdhdfb tl;dr your best video yet, glad to see progress
:) nice comment
Thank you for saying this, it means a lot!!
The only video ive seen that properly conveys the mess of the current lore situation
I have been playing league for 10 years now. I have been engaging with story for that long as well. My favorite champions story are Ekko. I never liked his gameplay but his story was the best thing there is. I was so hyped when they announced arcane bcz he would be involved and then it came out and ekko was nowhere to be seen. It was just some guy with same name. And it sent me into the darkest depth of my mental state conecting to the lore. I felt so betrayed bcz they spent so much money on arcane to tell leagues story but it wasnt league story it was just bunch of OCs in the world resembeling runetera but it was so uncanny valley. It felt like a spit into a face for ever engaging with the lore before. literally spent so much time reading the stories playing the games compyling all the informations even writing fanfictions. And now it just feels like that time was wasted bcz not even the company cares about its own lore. i feel so hopeless
I'm settling in for the hour long lore talk 🍿
Yea, amazing video. Thank you for your work and helping me sort out a lot of unexplored feelings I still had about the lore.
Perhaps I am just too depressed about the current state of things right now, but I do not think there is much hope unfortunately. I will only engage with Arcane and check in on the state of things from time to time, I don't think I have the heart/energy to get invested into whatever new stuff might be coming out in the near future.
When I'm in a self-sabotage contest, and my opponent is riot games.
I'm so sad we'll never get a "Seraphine: Brackern Rights Activist" arc ;_;
This video is very well made! Bravo
This is a great video!
1 hour is enough for my train travel, tyy ahah
Man you talking about all the changes and me remembereing when they said the first time about changing the lore back in 2014, and all the promised things and how we never got all of them. I know lore was never the priority, like league is a game first and foremost, but as someone with interest about the champions backgrounds as well, it hurts but sadly the majority of league playerbase is your random Joes just trying to play a fun game with their favourite cool character and thats it
I have to remind myself constantly that the loltwt fandom im part of is a literal speck of dust compared to the full playerbase
But I said it before and I will say it again
bring back Summoners and the actual League of Legends
not in the same way but a similar thing (you can forgo the institue of war for champs, tho i do miss it as it was fun for shipping)
as restricting as thay say it was i feel like it gives them a great opportunity to broaden the timeline. one of the issues they have is that it seems like all of the champions in league exist at the same time (yes there are some year differences but everything is kinda happening in a span of few years, also not talking about stuff like first ruination and darkin war rn) and this can maybe give them a way of telling stories about these "legends" that existed in the history of runeterra that someone is reading or learning about history
its funny to me to think about things like Aatrox running around somewhere, huge as he is destroying stuff and bringing the end of the world, while somewhere random in Ionia Sett is juct chilling and beating some guys up unaware, like how..
Great video. I also play since "The Summoners controlled the Champions". I just think their biggest mistake is not caring about the gaming having a proper lore to begin with and neglecting that part of the game for way to long, releasing champs after champs before than having to tackle where everyone fits it story-vise. I fully understand the concept that they made to Summoners because they most likely not anticipated how the game will skyrocket in the future and that people would be interested in the overall lore.
Having the Summoners be the masterminds would not be very compelling for long. But now they have to clean up the mess that is the lore without having a clear view of what it is suppossed to be. Not having that story and view in mind and basically calling everything canon nowadays is the wrong way to go, since they redcon so much of it already. They need to establish rules of the world and what story they want to tell within that world, but now they have so many champions that don't fit in anywhere, Shaco for example. They don't build the story with an end in mind, but "figuring out as they go" which always ends in confusing messes like these.
Most people handling stories have the end in mind first. If you have a solid end goal, you can pivet and build whatever you want around it, as long as you keep in mind what is happening in that world and don't lose sight where you are going. There is always the ability to expand after you reached the end of that story. But just building a world without that path, so many people in that world running absolutely blindly around, especially with how many champs they have now, is insane to get under one roof of the story.
longest april fools I've ever seen
I agree with a lot of the things you bring up but personally I think the "coming back to life" thing is super overblown. Senna was always in Thresh's lantern, she was always getting out - that's Lucian's whole arc. And Yone gave us the azakana which fit the lore of Ionia and furthered it, as well as giving us more insight into demons and fixing the whole "Fiddlesticks first of 10" thing that made everyone think every other demon like Evelynn and Kench were also primordial demons like it.
Honestly, death in Runeterra is about as final as it is in comics, and those two are just the biggest examples of this. Kai'sa was initially dead, too, before becoming a playable character. The comics introduce multiple "dead" characters (such as Master Kusho and General Du Couteau) as very much alive (though the canon status of those is in question). Vander in Arcane is Warwick now. Akshan's gun is a giant middle finger to that concept and is acknowledged in the lore as such. Kindred is the laziest Grim Reaper ever. I wouldn't be shocked if Jarvan's dad came back from being stabbed.
Also, not to be rude, but your recollection of the lore of both of them is a bit off. Senna wasn't guaranteed to return (as mentioned, Kai'sa was the first lore character), and her return only seemed to bring the lore of...Lucian angsting more, but now she's just in another room instead of trapped between death. Great... And Yone hasn'tr done anything lorewise except cause Yasuo to angst. For all he brought with the Azakana (which was on the Demonology page before his reveal), it could have just been a dev blog blurb. And he has yet to actively participate since then. Yasuo has been in a whole RPG, fighting game, and had a lore skin since then. The most either character did was sell legendary skins, which is sad...
I was thinking the same thing on your conclusion, looks like lore wise Arcane will be the new thing at the end of the year. Meanwhile im having fun playing bg3. Tho I gotta say you got me interested on Wild Rift for the event patches. Mobile its not really my thing, and my phone cant even run it xD Great video! I feel you.
First of all, it's great to see a lusophone brother (brazilian here) analysing and criticizing the current state of the lore from the game we all know and love, with such depth.
That being said, I would like to give my thoughts on the subject.
League of Legends lore never has been nor the main company focus nor the best written piece of video-game narrative. Sure, we love to read how the characters we love interact with the universe they exist in and the lore occupy it's space in the process of creating a new champion, but, most of the time, the appreciation we give to these characters more often than not come from the already existing place they occupy in our cultural consciousness. In comparison to other fantasy universes, be it literature or video-game, League's lore simply pales.
On the other hand, Arcane's process of creation was very similar to the development of "Batman: The Animated Series" back in the 90's, in the sense that you had established looks, positions, archetypes, names and places that you "could not touch", but outside of that, you could create something entirely new and complex; really deepen the relations of the characters and the world they live in. And that's exactly what they did, working on how the world of Runeterra, with it's vast diversity of races, elements, powers, societies and dangers would react to itself: how would homossexuality be viewed in a world where elemental mages, god-kings and space dragons exist? These questions where asked and ansered by the writers of the show, effectively creating a better piece of fiction than Riot could ever patronize.
When the discrepancy became too much to bear, Riot pulled the easy way and considered the most well-written (and profitable) one of the canons they had. This decision came at the cost of the consistency of some characters (Seraphine's lore became incomplete and Camille's simply ceased to exist). While I do not considered this a "bad" decision, I don't see how Riot is gonna keep making profitable and popular characters, who generally need a more easily relatable appearance with the complexity and diversity of its chosen canon.
Luv the video and keep up the good work.
Boa, tuga
I don't get what you're on about in the last paragraph. Complexity and diversity is and always has been League's universe's biggest asset, they can release characters of any background and thematic they want, because basically everything exists in Runeterra. That's a goldmine for the profitable, popular side you mentioned, since it's just bound to be something for someone and for anyone in there. For consistent storytelling though... its has proven to be mostly a detriment.
What you mention about originality is absolutely true, more evidently so in the game's first dozens of characters, some of which are straight up rip-offs and/or personified stereotypes and pop-culture tropes. The creators didn't intend to create a narrative first and a game second; they didn't plan a serious narrative at all. Only with the game's massive growth, what started as a niche way to create engagement with the community, developed into a(n attempt of) full lore canon, this time with a lot more focus in originality and writing quality. Some pieces of League's golden years (which I'd argue gave its first great steps in 2013 and fully blossomed from 2015 to 2017) are genuinely great works of literature, League's rough origins or these stories' mere connection to it do not subtract merit from them. There IS valuable work in League capable of having cultural impact, that has never been more apparent than with Arcane's popularity. Sure, Jinx was originally heavily inspired by Harley Quinn and steampunk aesthetics are nothing new, but those things are NOT why people connect to the story and characters nor what makes them good. At all. Or would you say that, for example, Game of Thrones was only appreciated because the cultural phenomenon The Lord of the Rings existed before it? That seems to be your insinuation.
The League vs. other games or literature comparison is weird. Books usually have just one author, and until the 2000's basically all games with story were single-player adventures, whose story is finite and you experience directly through the gameplay... League is an endless online MOBA made by a huge corporation, of course its storytelling is mostly going to suck and of course it was never the main focus in the first place. We can consider League's lore exclusively as a collection of individual stories, illustrations, music, cinematics and now also a TV show, whose universe keeps uncontrollably and incoherently growing BECAUSE it's attached to the MOBA, worsened by the fact that it's not a writing team, it's a constantly rotating writing staff who is given this ridiculous task of keeping more than a hundred characters mutually consistent and updated. It's a quite unique position creatively and narrative-wise, it simply cannot be compared as a whole to finite, carefully planned efforts like traditional literature or offline games.
TL;DR:
-Is it a doomed format with a mangled flow of production? Yes, to the detriment of its own narrative. -Amazing, impactful, original stuff can come out of there? Absolutely yes! They're going to be isolated pieces, though, rarely ever with the same extension as a novel or story-mode campaign, which of course is a pity.
@@BalaenicepsRex3 Thanks for pointing out my mistakes. I really liked your insights
Thanks! Also thank you for sharing your opinion. Sorry if I came off as abrasive in my response. Have a wonderful week!
@@BalaenicepsRex3 Ayyy, I'm not omniscient. It's good to have an honest debate where we can hone our arguments; receiving criticism is part of that.
A wonderful week for u too
The thing Riot plans to do for their IP is the reason I decided to quit league.
I love Ekko's current version much more than that sidecharacter in Arcane.
Byt what pains me the most is the eradication of dark narrative of Piltover by completing the genocide of brackern. Even though Skarner(whose main I was) was not well written, his narrative plothook was a crucial part of lore. And he was compeling BECAUSE his kind become a victim of Piltover's greed. Now Rito decided that their skin for pink_lux will sell better if the controversy was gone, left us with an empty husk only bearing the same name. And don't make an argumnet that hextech was not related to it in Arcane, there was never a proof against it and it gave more weight to the time crystals were exploding.
the actual problem is that they don't have a really strict plan the just do some random shits and call it a day in terms of lore but to be honest most of the writings and artworks are masterpice's in unworthy hands imo
you can actually feel this in game play as well
all the abilities are combinations of other champions there's with a touch of creativity and a bag full of overpowered ness (considering that they are FOCUSED on the gamplay not the lore )
theres so much to do with the this univers but so little afford from a multimiliion$ company!!
Banger video
great video.
My idea would be that they can do like overwatch is doing: making lore videos about released characters. So not only more people will see them since they're on youtube, but it'll also be a hood replacement to color stories
This is probably what they will start doing eventually I think, since it is indeed true that a lot of people don't like reading much lately (not my case) and having a playlist with all stories in the youtube channel is way more accessible than the mess that is universe
I also hope they do more comics tho, but not like the old ones but more in line with the Katarina webtoon which is easy to access in a popular platform
(Would still appreciate the random full fledged novel sometimes tho)
hey XD olha um fellow tuga que também faz vídeos de league. nice! subscrevi c: o ekko é a minha personagem preferida de todo o sempre, por isso amei logo a intro ^^ concordo mesmo muito com tudo o que disseste. e é uma pena que um mundo tão lindo e bem feito como este esteja a ser tão mal manejado pela empresa :c o problema nem são os escritores e os artistas, mas os chefes que só querem vender skins para fazer dinheiro :c eu entendo que dinheiro é preciso, mas se continuar assim, as coisas vão correr mal um dia. é uma pena.
continua com os vídeos c: gostei imenso!
yoo tuga spotted, obrigado!! fico contente por teres gostado do video!
It's kinda funny how you showed a concept of the map being accessible via the client, while the bugged event pass section glows in the background.
It's not a bug, it's always there intentionally so you're always incentivized to click it, an annoying strat to make players send money if you ask me but its definitely not a bug, LoR does the same
@@twisted35 It is bugged. Now after the new patch, it stoped glowing.
Ekko has been my main for years because of his lore, and while I love arcane Ekko too, they should really be their own things.
I appreciate this video, i was expecting something like this from another lore content creator but they keep excusing riots decisions..
Legends of Runeterra problems could be solved with like a "What if"/"Future" tag or something
It might just be bias but I think most lore fans dont even like the idia of arcane being canon, rito never fails to show just how littel they care abaut the pepole who gave a danm abaut the story... or the comunity in general.
(Typing this from my phone on my lunch break please forgive me)
I started playing the game at around 2014 I remember reading the some of the champion bios sitting on the floor playing league with 12fps on my dad's old media player
Jax the grand master of arms was too strong so the institute of war told him the only way they'll let him be a champion is if he fights with a handicap (the lamp post). "Imagine if I had a real weapon"
Nasus and Renekton were from a different planet
Ezreal never agreed to be a legend his gauntlet would randomly arcane shift him into the summoners rift
Lee Sin wanted to be a summoner to impress the institute he tried to summon. But what he summoned was a kid. the summoning process turned the kid into a bloody mess, the kid died. The institute was impressed and didn't punish Lee for the murder. Years later Noxus invaded Ionia. Lee Self immolated to protest and survived but he lost his eyes in the process. His actions were so inspirational it inspired the Ionians to fight on. After that he became a Legend.
The battle for Ionia was decided in an actual game on the summoners rift. Which is where the Ionian boots came from
Now after that lore was destroyed I got attached to the new stories of Victor, Singed, and Warwick. (Read them while you can) Now I'll be watching them die and and get turned into something else again
If they're looking for lore engagement bring lore back into the game.
Anyone remember the Dawnbringer Riven VS Nightbringer Yasuo event? The players chose a side and then the winner was decided by which side won the most games.
So I ask why not do more things like that? The institute of war and summoners are gone. But what better way to get players to engage with the story of your world than actually letting them have an actual impact on it.
Here's an example. There is a cult within Noxus trying to summon mord into the land of the living.
You log into League and you get asked to choose a side the Black Rose or the Cult as you play games the lore is updated. each update you read you get a cosmetic an icon, a banner, then a mythic chroma when the event concludes.
In Addition to that the death of voicelines and items is criminal.
Remember how mythical the blade of the ruined king was for years? Champions don't comment on items at all anymore. The twisted treeline is gone too I can't even remember what the interactions were there but I remember it was one of the hooks that got me into actually being interested in the game's story.
Lastly the alternative universes aside from star guardian are done dirty too. If the writers want to stretch and explore a different take on a champion the skins is where they should do that. If we're going to take skarnar in a more horror direction why not write that into his highnoon skin? Wouldn't that be cool?
Hell I can't even find the old Project stories
(And lunch break is over 😢)
Fumble after Fumble after Fumble.
Ever since 2017. An IP can only take so much.
INTERESTING
I think the piece about the inclusion of arcane changing magic is a bit overstated, it will alter the lore of piltover however the way i interpreted it was that piltover/zaun was built similarly to demacia in that they don’t want magic to ruin it which is why the introduction of hextech angered heimer so much, he is a founder of the city and the founders didn’t want magic to ruin the city so they focused more on scientific progress. the only thing that i really interpreted was different about magic was how the hextech became a weird void-looking thing however that could just be from shimmer which they can easily adapt into renata by saying that the stuff renata has is also shimmer or maybe an altered formula.
Time is screwed in bandle city so i wouldnt be surprided if hiemer witnessed the rune war
The Ruination (of the Lore) got me HAHAHA so true
Whats the song at the end of the video?
Legends of Runeterra - Tabletop Tavern Extended Board Soundtrack
This does feel like 2021 all over again. Just for 3 years they've made new games and new studios all to try and expand league of legends. Completely franchise this game that is only known as a colorful moba game with lore. Now they want to move away from the league universe website and to other places? It all seems like a failed attempt at trying to get more people to play the game. I know people who absolutely don't care about the champs stories they just rage and play the game.
For me, the lore has been in decline since they changed Jax's old lore. And yes, I'm talking about the one from the time of the Institute of War.
Remember the Megling genocide! (because "two different short races are too confusing" )
thank you for making this. i'll edit my comment and thank you again once i finish. i'm excited.
edit: well, i said id edit my reply after i ended the video ........ well, LMFAO i actually uninstalled both league and lor in the process of watching. im sure that wasnt your direct goal of the video, but i thank you deeply for helping me finally make the decision that i so desperately needed to make. to a healthier me and somehow, someway, sometime in the future, to a healthier Runeterra
It's not even "Fuck arcane" cause it just works well on its own. But what they've implicitly told us long running lore fans by "making it the center" of canon and shifting everything else to it feels like a kick to the guts
No me escapo de la Disonancia Ludonarrativa ni en LoL... Gracias Dayo
banger video
As a ekko fan I love the thumbnail and I’m more satisfied with the new Ekko design I’m really just excited for a possible ASU and of his less used skins
atleast we got the Ruined King RPG game :D
god I kinda got over it but watching the video pissed me off again. And thats good probably.
I feel kind of like an idiot at this point. I spend 3 months reading all of the lore post watching arcane just because I absolutely fell in love with runterra. I wanted to know everything and I committed I learned because I fell in love with arcane and its stories and world. But my reward for all that commitment was... nothing. Less and less to none short stories eventually getting to the point we don't get color stories at all. We got a book which was really great okay. Some riot forge games which were kinda mixed but still good overall. Overall we got stuff here and there but looking back it was clear in years past there was a lot lot more going on.
AAAAAAAAAAnd then lay offs hit, riot forge is no more, LoR is going downhill to a slow death maybe hopefully not, arcane is smushed into canon, more delayed asu's, more and more and more promises that guys we are working on stuff but well last years sure proved to me how riot handles this stuff...
We did get some good news. Recent fact of wild rift getting the ruination event makes me excited as this is just the first thematic patch maybe more stories can be retold in the game like so. But still the best way I can put it is like
Riot sure loves to say that they care, that they want to invest into this world but they always want to do it in a very novel way. Only new exciting stuff brings money so "maintance" by clarifying plot holes and fixing inconsistancies is more of a formality. Sure shows with how so many champions need reworks and how all that slowed down. And I agree with yyou I had the same thoughts... literally HOW do you go back and fix mistakes to make one canon? How when you have many games, stories, cinematics you'd need to edit
I tell you how. You retcon them. Delete them. I think there is a clear reason we were told riot forge is canon but recently nope now only song of nunu. They haven't figured it all out yet so they all can chill in the undefined zone of league and if later they change their minds? Just cut off the entire thing. Delete events of entire games, cards whatever works. Its not like they haven't deleted the entire lore before right?
It's jsut disappointing because how many times will we go through this? Oh 2xko will happen it will have a forced story mode where somehow 10 champions from all across the world need to conviniently meet up for fights and suddenly no that won't be canon right? MMo will happen and suddenly delete entire storylines because it would be hype to meet one of them champions in this location in game? I am pessimistic but come on riot haven't been giving me much benefit of the doubt.
I love how more and more people are making an effort to call out Riot's BS. The current state of things is utterly abysmal, but the lore community will not be silenced.
I will stand by the decision of Arcane being canon.
Arcane ruined League's lore.. Runterra is full of magic and its alive but Arcane sorta make magic dull even if it was set in Zaun / Pilt Over they could have made magic feels alive and all around us by giving Janna some air time flying around .. but nah, it should be 100% cyber punk
I just have no idea how this is gonna work practically
Are they gonna come up with a big pre-existing universe, and then force the Arcane writers to follow it?
Or like... are they gonna wait for the newest Arcane season to drop before making any changes? Are we going to just get a big retcon every time a new Arcane season is completed? We get a new Arcane season every like, 3 years. How long will it actually take for them to update every champion then?
This feels like a terrible idea from a practical standpoint.
Season 3 of Arcane (or whatever its called since it will probably be in Noxus) will release much sooner since they now know that this media is a good investment and very popular which they did not know when they released season 1
But I doubt Arcane is the only story update, I expect us to maybe get more lore animated youtube videos (like Valorant) and maybe also more webtoons like the Katarina one, also Runeterra cards """"should""" be canon if they were released after that last year announcement
Sad to see thatthe impetus for all of the good things of 2023 are now discontinued. (Riot forge and a steady support for LOR)
After the pivot to Arcane's Universe and the recent Layoffs, closure of Riot Forge, and pulling the plug on Legends of Runeterra, I'm done caring about Riot or League of Legends. I'll still watch Arcane because it's a good Show, but my support for the parent company through its primary vehicle (LoL) is done, I'm not even angry or anything I just don't care about the Universe anymore.
A lot of these stories were so deep and featured insightful philosophical questions/explorations of 'humanity', so many Champions represented awesome fantasies and perspectives, and now all of that is on life support. But the parent company doesn't care, they're chasing the Arcane profit motive and will likely crash and burn when they start treating Arcane (and any other future Shows) as cheaply as they are now treating the Lore that allowed it the runway to be created.
As you mentioned, THEY HAVE AN MMO IN DEVELOPMENT!! It's going to come out so cheaply when they take the Lore that they currently have, realise they don't have enough creativity to continue it in later Seasonal Patches, and then hire a bunch of low-paid Devs who weren't there for the creation of the original Lore and won't hold it in the same regard.
Like I said, I'm not mad. I'm just getting off the ship because I can see the infinite profit-motive iceberg.
Great comment, I completely agree, I am a bit sad tho because their lore was great and had a lot of potential.
Riot: Lore going smooth, people getting interested, time to give them the worst lore event and don't let anyone in the lore department write something, and no more short story, actually not even color story, we want to go back to 2011 lore of two phrases at best long.
Personal opinion: this is video is likely targeted at League player so I feel you could have cut down a bit on the history portions - Sentinels of Light, the previous lore retcon, stuff like that. It's a good video but I felt the need to skip forward a lot with the (I was there for this, or have heard it talked about before). Just think of this as constructive criticism
as a video that will be able to be viewed many years in the future I think it's important to be complete and tell the entire story. For me, Twisted did an amazing job
Totally valid! The video was aimed toward people who don't know much about the lore but also toward lore veterans, so it's a hard thing to balance! I think overall including as much as possible was the better option but it's definitely something I'll keep in mind for future videos!
Nah, I'm a league player and I still apreciate the extra info and context of what the essay is going to discuss. Besides, not every "League player" is going to be a fully invested veteran that has been playing the game simce release.
Arcane universe is canon? old current lore is dead?
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Its funny, because i buyed the ruination novel bacause i care for viego and think his story is cool as fuck, and seeing kalista in the novel, made me want to play her (but a this point i gave up in lol) and seeing that maybe the novel is not cannon anymore is so weird to me
basically: it's fucked
Imma be mad honest, League lore starting going downhill since Yasuo stopped being "the unforgiven"
See, thats why the legend of zelda never explicitly told their fans which timeline is "canon". so shit like this wont happen.
also doesn't help that they tried to follow the Spirit Journey event method when that theme and style doesn't fit ruination's at ALL. Arcane wouldn't even EXIST if not for the original writers, many are fired or gone. SO Arcane doesn't likely have much more to go on if they won't invest in the base story. How are they even gonna make ANYTHING consistent when they have little 2 no writers? Great that everything consistent now...oh wait we still HAVE AU's in the skin line AND skinline lore...so wat gives?! consistent canon when it forsakes almost everything for pretty much no gain and when they have bearly done anything is pointless. Bruh just hire good writers and let them write, they will do what needs 2 be done. I Did straight up give up after Ruination.
League lore is a mess in the way western comics are. Things are constantly changing, rebooting, etc. If you look at the characters in microcosms (Yasuo on the run and Yone forgiving him and so on), they become a lot more interesting. I'll also be the first to say that tons of alternate universes in skins just seem more interesting by virtue of being able to be so much more focused. I know we have like a billion Star Guardian skins, but honestly a Star Guardian anime and then an anime about Yasuo/Yone, some comics about other characters, and more would be so much better than them endlessly trying to fix the lore.
Arcane being canon is a good baseline with which to handle Piltover and Zaun. Piltover and Ionia are kind of the centers from which you can spread outwards to how they affect other regions. How does Ionia affect Noxus (because, let's be honest, the writers seem to largely prefer Ionia to Noxus lmao), how does Piltover affect Ixtal and Shurima and Noxus and Demacia (what, with Hextech crystals being important and Piltover being the trade hub). Their strongest stories are in Ionia and Piltover and, thus, starting there so as to bring other things in line with each other is the best solution.
The lore has been bad since the Ruination event. That story was so awful and it’s just been downhill from there. Also why hasn’t there been a big void event yet? Also Darkins, The Watchers, etc , I just don’t understand why they don’t do any lore and events with these big bad guys to progress the story of Runeterra. The ruination was just like a side story and it was honestly meaningless and boring. They rly just don’t gaf about the lore anymore, they started off strong but it just dissolved into nothing now… Arcane should be it’s own separate story simply because the main one is nonexistent atp anyways, no need to tie it to that pile of garbage.
Don't trust necrit.he is semi educated person
its not that he is isn’t educated, necrit is just scared to actually tell the total truth about the downfall of the lore since he has such close ties with the riot as a company
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They have destroyed the entire meaning behind Ekko. True Damage was the biggest mistake!... Since this skin came out, Ekko just feels like a normal boring gangster with no personality... He is no longer who he was described at the beginning. And Arcane has made things much worse. They changed his design and personality to appeal to today's "hip hop kids"... His dance has something to do with an air electric guitar something like punk rock! But no, he is now another insignificant rapper, even his main theme in arcane is garbage rap.... I miss the old Ekko, no I mean the real one....
they should stop making Champs then lore. and make lore then Champs out of the lore. like we're getting Mel's mother as a champ
Wdym? lol lore is in the same place as its ever been, it doesnt matter and Riot doesnt care
maybe people aren't interested in League's lore is because it's pretty bad?
I certainly quit it for that exact reason. I wanted to like it but really it was just one disappointment after another.
imagine being that upset over a skin. SKINS ARE SKINS! That thresh skin is great! and it's hum before he became what he us now lol get over it
Game is called league of legends and they removed the games from the lore what a joke. The whole point was to show how bad the world was.
LoL fans suffer from "baby duck syndrome".
TBSkyen's opinion about Arcane is wrong.
The problem is not in Arcane, but in the fact that the lore of Runeterra is based on the diversity of regions .This allows Riot to create diverse characters.
Piltover and Zaun were originally planned as a region where technology is used instead of magic .(But then they released characters like Sera and Zeri)
You're correct that PnZ were always about technology, more specifically how people interact and are changed by it. However, PnZ always existed within the wider context of Runeterra, which with the retcon of the Summoners became a world where magic is at its core. When they revamped PnZ for this new world, hextech became the fusion between technology and magic. So from 2016 forward, everything hextech-related was magical in nature. This was not something recent and Arcane also doesn't deviate from hextech being magical. It's the fact that magic is both rare and seen as dangerous in PnZ that contradicts the pre-established canon.
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I may be wrong, but it seems to me that the new information from Arсane does not contradict the old lore, but complements it.
Heimerdinger said that Piltover was founded to escape the warmongering of mages.
Was there information in the old lore about how Piltover was founded?
@@mar_ko5930 In the lore the origin it's a bit vague. We know there was a city beneath what's now Piltover and Zaun, which existed as far as ancient Shurima during the Darkin Wars (around 500 years before the start of the Rune Wars) but it's vague enough that the city could have been destroyed or abandoned and Piltover was just built on top of it.
We do know that the Tragedy on the River Pilt happened around 700 years after the Rune Wars, this tragedy gave birth to Piltover but Arcane is likely retconing this to happen in modern times instead (or to not happen at all).
What makes the timeline weird is that Heimerding says he's 300 years old, and if Arcane takes place close to modern day Runeterra then he was born around 700 years after the start of the Rune Wars, and as far as we know these didn't last for that long, around 2 decades or less, being mostly over when Noxus came to being. So Timeline-wise, Heimerding (and the city by extension since he was a founding member) being so young is what messes this all up, in theory (and in the current lore) the city should be much older.
@@twisted35 It doesn't make sense but they can definitely find ways to make it work. An example would be that they expand on how yordles view the world, especially their age. Maybe Heimerdinger says he's around 300 years old because, 300 years ago, he started to take part in Piltover's society and began counting his age from that day forward. Maybe they explain his age because of how time works inside Bandle city. Like I said, there's ways they can take out of that narrative corner.
@@twisted35 Thanks for the information. About "Tragedy on the River Pilt " .
I am sure that this should be the end of Arcane.
The whole PnZ lore is very inspired by Fritz Lang's Metropolis (Which was also a source of inspiration for James Cameron's Titanic).
At the end of the film, the lower city was also flooded.
I have no right to complain about LoL lore because my mains basically have non existing lore
I think that's actually a good reason to complain xD
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league is dead
Echo sucks, time travel sucks. He's also the dumbest(least intelligent) character ive ever seen that uses time travel.
Always nice to see a fellow countryman do well! Even if it is in a tumutuous time but il be here liking your videos, be they league or other random topics you wanna talk about
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Riot really needs to make a fourth lore reset at this point and draw a line in the sand to what is canon or what isn't. That's why lore bibles exist for a reason. League's Lore is such a mess and the fact that they have this "Is it canon? WHO KNOWS????" attitude and any time we get any sort of media that expands on a character's lore, it get changed just as fast with another piece of media. Like, what's even the point?