@@lenardbordo9838 I've often wondered about that. If Heimdall can see everyone's intent, then he would know that Odin only values his use of foresight, not Heimdall himself and that Odin would easily discard him if he's no longer useful or has a problem that Odin can't solve himself. Maybe that's the reason for his loyalty, so Odin won't discard someone who can be useful to him. Or...it's possible that Odin is aware of some weakness in Heimdall's foresight and has defenses set up so he can't see his true intent.
I really like Heimdall as a villain, because I so rarely get to see the Paragon villain done well. He's such a hatable ass, but it's just because he's loyal to a fault, and thinks he can't be touched. If he was on the player's side, he'd probably be everyone's favorite character, after Mimir
The eyes heimdal possesses really help to drive home the fact he can see your true intentions. But I wanna say this scene might be very significant. Seeing as Loki is know for his ability to hide his true intentions, as well it seems even heimdal isn't 100% sure. What are you doing here? Is his tone
Well I think a lot of it that Atreus genuinely isn’t sure himself. Atreus in the game is kind of playing to different people, Loki and Atreus, and during the game he wonders who he should be or what he should do
@@duckymate9555 He did because they both have the same curiosity and thirst for knowledge, and Odin comes across like the cool uncle. If he wasn’t so much of a control freak then there could’ve been a peaceful resolution
@@jbatts834 fr Odin does a stellar job of coming off as a cool uncle with all the interesting stuff and who’s super kind to you. I could really feel Atreus’ conflict in those moments because Odin is fun to be around and he had all the right tricks to play to Loki’s interests.
@@saadiyakhan4025 Plus he felt like he was being treated like an equal, something his dad never did until the end. Odin clearly knew this and played on that fact, why he’s a master manipulator, he can tell what your soul yearns for.
Indeed. He's an ass and aiding a tyrant, but he's always 100% upfront and honest with people. He fights for a cause he truly believes in, and in that there is a certain integrity
Heimdall is one of my favorite villains. Great voice actor, great mannerisms, and relatable. You can understand why he's doing what he's doing, even as you realize you have to kill him.
One story I read long ago had a side character whose magic power was that she could always tell if someone was lying. She would reflect on how it wasn't all that great of a power, not becuase of how situational it is, but because of how it impacts social relationships. It can be hard to trust people when a magical siren goes off everytime someone exaggerates a tale, ommits a painful truth, or feigns an emotion or interest. I can only imagine what Heimdall was like before he became the bully, or if he was the same way before he got those eyes.
That's where his pompous attitude comes from. When you see everything, know everything, dodge everything, you'd start to think everyone was beneath you and treat everything so casually. But as the saying goes, "the bigger they are, the harder they fall." I'd like to see his powers explored more. It's a genuinely interesting complex it gives him. If only he wasn't such an asshole and stuck around for longer lol.
Yup. You can't be edgy2meme420 all the time an expect something good to come from it. Like we get it people can be assholes but you don't ha e to be one.
@@disneylover6408 Honestly, pretty much what led to his demise. Sad, he would’ve been a badass ally i’d love to see him interact with Sindri and Brok had it been a better ending
Tbh I kinda do feel bad a lil bit for him, like he can never hope to make assumptions about people cause he’s stuck with knowing who they are already 😢
@@blackhooded1596 In fairness, he learned the ‘easy’ way first (just getting waxed and losing an arm), it was being _spared_ by someone he considered a barbarian (and who was justified in reasons to get rid of him) that he couldn’t live with.
Honestly the best way to piss him off would to just agree with him. Every insult, every jab. "Ya, I don't know what I'm doing" "I don't know what I want" "I don't really know why I'm doing this". All he does is belittle and insult, try to get a rise out of you, take that away and he has nothing
... he'd see that. it would only work if you genuinely agreed with him, and even then, people would obviously agree with the truth, even if they dont openly admit it
@@daenite2480 it would, this guys ego is so bad that even if he knows what you think and can easily predict you he’ll still get annoyed and frustrated you thought of it and done it. Hes THAT dude
@@justaguywithagoodphoto4801 Heimdall is an asshole because his ability cursed him to see the true intent and thoughts people make. If everyone is just lying to each other and lying to themselves and you know it, there's no one to trust and you're socially left alone. That's why this video talks about why he envies Odin. Tie that in with the false idea that he's effectively invincible and that he's loyal to a fault with Odin, and you get the jerk that is Heimdall. He isn't a typical Disney Channel bully who relies on making people feel bad solely to stroke his ego. If anything, he'd show intrigue at how their mind seems to accept the belittling, if not get bored of it, but it definitely wouldn't piss him off.
I think Heimdall misunderstands Odin somewhat. Makes sense, from what we’ve Observed of Heimdall his abilities seem to narrow his view of people. He only sees the worst in them and therefore doesn’t get to see the opportunities for good in them. Odin does see the good in people, but only the good that can be exploited. He attempts to appeal to people’s good sides so that he can get what he wants out of them. His relationships are all purely transactional. For Heimdall however, he only sees the worst version of people, and therefore can not see anything exploitable.
@@RaiseAGlassLads nope cause he thinks so highly of odin, and i quote “odin thinks the best of people. He sees the good in everyone” its literally what he said about odin, when everyone here knows its a lie. Odin was most likely using some sort of spell or manipulation tactic on heimdall to make it seem like hes a good person
even if he did heimdall by himself can't be the allfather and if push comes to shove, with a snap of the fingers thor is on heimdall ass like white on rice.
He always sees the worst in people, that can take a toll on ones trust and even be depressing. So that’s my guess to why he’s so loyal, to serve a purpose (which we ALL long for) to replace the sadness with pride and loyalty.
I kinda wished he lived, he's a really interesting character and it would have been cool to see a one armed Heimdall trying to find a new purpose in life After Ragnarok
Same but without a dead Heimdall, there is no Ragnarok unfortunately. He carries Gjallarhorn and Im sure he'll defend it with everything he has because of his loyalty to Asgard
There is a possibility that he is alive if the bifrost can make him a new arm it's possible it can keep him alive that and choking someone doesn't mean they stay dead
I like to think that a lot of his tension with Heimdall and his whole "chaos in a spiffy archer suit" conversation hints at Atreus growing into Loki as he gets older. Loki, by most accounts, is chaos in Norse Mythology. No one can ever pin down his intentions or which side he is on. He is always moving and changing and thinking. Loki is the perfect opposite of Heimdall because Loki is an entity of change and everything he does changes things for his own gain or loss. You can't predict the actions of a man who doesn't even know what his end goal is. So seeing how the meld the entities of Atreus and Loki further down the line as Atreus matures will be so interesting to see because he is capable of anything.
Yes because in Norse mythology Hemdall has gold teeth. The fact that the developers have kept this is very nice. But I have to admit that at first I was dubious too, I thought it was a display bug, so I was like "this guy has yellow teeth?!"
Heimdall literally just summed up my existence honestly when I first heard this dialogue I felt like he was dead ass talking to me and not Atreus/Loki anymore. Hands down the fact he talks about that people lie to the world and lie to themselves without even knowing it definitely is hard facts about us as a species. But when he begins to talk about not knowing what exactly your goals or your intentions are anymore. Not knowing who you really are and what you even want at all? Absolutely struck me down.
These new villains make me feel bad killing em, bc they had justifiable motive and fleshed out character arc unlike Greek ark when the villain only serve as giant body waiting to be slayed
@@nnightkingj also asir are dicks in general, so imagine the people you help keep safe, talks shit beg your back. Then what makes it worse is heimdall can see your true intentions so compared to the all father who is somewhat a father figure to him, he’s gonna pledge loyalty to the only person that “cares” about him. Something like idk 🤷🏾♂️
@@spiraljumper74 when there’s a doomsday prophecy in place how is it stable for existence to serve him. You can call it a motive but not really justifiable.
That actually says a lot about him. He sees people true intentions but envy Odin's personality to change that. Dude walks around knowing what people want to say or do all the time.
Heimdall is a villain done very well. He hears in the minds yet it gets to him. Why because he sees truth, assumptions, lies & ect. He questions himself because of himself acknowledging various minds. Sad yet relatable.
That was AMAZING. The thing with Heimdall is that he's being truly honest with being allie with Atreus IF their on the same side, he's rude him cause when he sees him he's colored red as enemy. Put yourself in his place and you would see how hard and difficult it would be to deal with people, everyone would liars and hypocrites.
Heimdall saying that Atreus doesn't know himself what he wants is very interesting because most depictions of Loki even in the original mythology do show him as a schemer but also a servant to his own whims. One day he may help you the other he bite you as a snake
"some people lie to themselves without even knowing" There's a lot of people out there like this. Sometimes me included. We say stuff just to satisfy whoever we're talking to but not really mean it. Hence, our actions don't coincide with our words.
If I remember correctly, Eric Williams say that anything that comes out of Heimdall's mouth is the truth, basically exposing people on what they're thinking. The fact that Heimdall said Atreus doesn't know what he's even doing, that must mean what Atreus said about not being a spy was the truth. Then again, Atreus was young so of course he'd be indecisive at who he's gonna side with. In the end, his father is the only one he can rely on.
Heimdall is not really a bad person, he actually had the best ability god ever given to him. It was why Odin put him as an Asgard’s Gatekeeper. He’s simply just doing his job. His talent is just way too raw for him due to his teen age. He just hasn't been able to control his abilities and contain himself against people’s intention (and it’s proven). Hence it made him look like a jerk.
I love how they did Heimdall kind of like they did baldur. They took their common trope ( in Heimdalls case it's being able to see everything) and they showed us how that could impact someone negatively. Baldur for example not being able to feel anything as a result of bring invulnerable
Heimdall was an amazing “villain” they definitely should have showcased him more. His death felt to quick and rushed its like the devs ran out of imagination and money.
this was one of the best lines in the game imo. really gives an insight into Heimdall’s psyche and why he’s such an asshole. because of his powers he has such deep distrust and loathing in people but at the same time only focuses on the worst aspects of other people, blind to his own hypocrisy. even reveals atreus inner workings too with how his motive has shifted and wavered after being treated with such hospitality from Odin. kind of a shame its tucked away in a throwaway encounter in the dining hall where 90% of people can easily miss. this line couldve been used in an pivotal epic cutscene, hell if they made the norse saga into a trilogy, and heimdall wouldve been the 2nd games main villain, this line couldve been the foundation for his character arc.
Yes i have been saying this since Rangnark came out If they made heimdall the main villain of this game and made a 3rd game the characters could have been much better
To be honest when you think about when you can see everything in someone and they continue to go down that path i could see anyone turn into a heimdall when your surrounded by someone so optimistic and your forced to see 100% of anyone or thing
yeah....mind reading would turn pretty much anyone into a sociopath...having to watch someone smile and talk with you in gentle words, while reading the worst insults ever in his mind...
Now I wonder if Odin really sees the best in people or he tricked Heimdall somehow. It would be interesting to see if Odin really did see the best in people, but somehow he effed up really badly that things turn the way it did. Just a very tragic tale.
Nah man. Anyone can tel odin was evil, manipulative, and abusive. Im def sure he had something maybe a spell or some kind of manipulation tactic on heimdall.
Odin seeing the best in people was a figure of speech. It wasnt litteral. Not that hard to understand.. 🥱🥱 Odin truely believed his actions were good and justified, so Heimdall had no reasons not to trust him or sense anything negative. It's pretty obvious that Heimdall knew about Odin mind too.
It would be cool if they gave Heimdall unique dialogue for what the player is doing, similar to when everyone reacts to Kratos loot hunting, but like if the player is pacing back and forth he might say something about you being impatient
When he says chooses to dissect people for their intentions, it shows he could’ve had a redemption arc if he realized Odin took away his ability to read the All-fathers intentions but everyone else’s and doesn’t want to die the type of warrior Odin wants
The whole time I'm hoping maybe he'll take stick outta his ass and at least try being friendly with us but then I won't lie when kratos was bouncing his face into the ground like a basketball ball I was laughing yelling haw see that coming good keep em coming
@@altair227 yup I was laughing loudly screaming to myself " c'mon you can see everything why not stopping your face from becoming paste c'mon future man " lol
I haven’t played the game, but I gather that Heimdall has the gift of true perception; He sees the true nature of people. I guess this is significant for the moment when he looked up at Kratos and uttered “monster” as he died.
Then again, Heimdall chose not to accept Kratos’ mercy & his sparing his life. Like the stubborn, thick-skulled ass he is, he chose to fight to the end.
@@AlastorAltruistGaming causs at that point he is a mess Not trusting everyone. Only himself it grew to much in him that even if you gave him a solid proof that everything will be ok He will never accept it cause the millions of years he spend not thrusting everyone turning him into what you see now That’s what I said if he had a guidance from the start of his power He would be a nice person now
And then there's Kratos. He says what he's thinking, the problem is that he uses the _same sound_ to convey every thought he has. Yes = "Hrmph." No = "Hrmph." I think I'll have boar for dinner = "Hrmph."
That's honestly a very nuanced perspective of Heimdall I never realized. Always having to listen to people's thoughts even if you don't want to can easily make a person very jaded and cynical. I honestly feel for him.
It’s crazy how engaging and thought out this game was. I beat it, understood the majority of it, but they put so much thought into it that you still have to analyze it afterwards.
![Consort Radahn Sekiro Style (No Cheese, No Summons) [ELDEN RING Shadow of the Erdtree] Boss Fight](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/SAX9mKL8KGw/mqdefault.jpg)
Heimdall is basically the meme of the dude who stays in the corner of the party and thinks, “If only they knew…”
XD
he is exactly that LOL
Lmao
Except Heimdall really knows. For his flaws he still is knowledgeable
“They know I know what they’re thinking”
"He always sees the best in people."
Dude, Odin always sees what's most useful to him in people.
Exactly, he can see their potential and what they can do.
he sees the best in people and then uses it for his own benefit
Odin must be incredibly good at hiding his true intentions if Heimdall can't see that the All-Father only cares for himself.
@@lenardbordo9838 I've often wondered about that. If Heimdall can see everyone's intent, then he would know that Odin only values his use of foresight, not Heimdall himself and that Odin would easily discard him if he's no longer useful or has a problem that Odin can't solve himself. Maybe that's the reason for his loyalty, so Odin won't discard someone who can be useful to him.
Or...it's possible that Odin is aware of some weakness in Heimdall's foresight and has defenses set up so he can't see his true intent.
@@sparda74 that is a possibility. Or/And perhaps he is blinded by his fate in the All-Father that he has become delusional about this man.
That’s like the closest Heimdall gets to not being mean to Atreus. It was like an actual standard conversation.
@@falcon84k ayo?
@@falcon84k ayo?
@@falcon84k ?
@@falcon84k was that before or after the part where Odin decided to let Kratos kill Hemdall?
@@trungkiennguyen7655 yeah
then we have the bluntest man in all 9 realms... kratos.
Kratos : hm
ask Magni if he is blunt or sharp. He knows the answer
@@mrartdeco 💀
@@mrartdeco damn 💀
@@mrartdeco wasn't Atreus the one who killed Modi?
I really like Heimdall as a villain, because I so rarely get to see the Paragon villain done well.
He's such a hatable ass, but it's just because he's loyal to a fault, and thinks he can't be touched. If he was on the player's side, he'd probably be everyone's favorite character, after Mimir
And brok
@@thekingofpool1834 and brok
yeah no I would still want him to die a painful death
@@hibye-die I am assuming you are somewhat biased
@@alexandercross9081 I don't like his character at all
Kratos then proceeded to bash his head in and choke him to death
[spoilers ahead] lol
Bet he didn't see that coming.
Yeah that was great. 😌 Gonna go watch that now. 😁
What makes it better is Kratos tried twice to spare him and Heimdall forced his hand by being arrogant
@@ToonGrin heimdall got caught lacking
The eyes heimdal possesses really help to drive home the fact he can see your true intentions. But I wanna say this scene might be very significant. Seeing as Loki is know for his ability to hide his true intentions, as well it seems even heimdal isn't 100% sure. What are you doing here? Is his tone
Well I think a lot of it that Atreus genuinely isn’t sure himself. Atreus in the game is kind of playing to different people, Loki and Atreus, and during the game he wonders who he should be or what he should do
Maybe atreus wanted to work with odin in a way
@@duckymate9555 He did because they both have the same curiosity and thirst for knowledge, and Odin comes across like the cool uncle. If he wasn’t so much of a control freak then there could’ve been a peaceful resolution
@@jbatts834 fr Odin does a stellar job of coming off as a cool uncle with all the interesting stuff and who’s super kind to you. I could really feel Atreus’ conflict in those moments because Odin is fun to be around and he had all the right tricks to play to Loki’s interests.
@@saadiyakhan4025 Plus he felt like he was being treated like an equal, something his dad never did until the end. Odin clearly knew this and played on that fact, why he’s a master manipulator, he can tell what your soul yearns for.
Heimdalls character is so despicable, yet from every interaction in the game he's always been genuine. I like that about him
Even if he’s a jerk about it
@@BlackOmEga_2099 Oh absolutely, dudes a complete bully
Indeed. He's an ass and aiding a tyrant, but he's always 100% upfront and honest with people. He fights for a cause he truly believes in, and in that there is a certain integrity
Heimdall is one of my favorite villains. Great voice actor, great mannerisms, and relatable. You can understand why he's doing what he's doing, even as you realize you have to kill him.
Same, I love his speaking mannerisms and his effortless roasting XD
One story I read long ago had a side character whose magic power was that she could always tell if someone was lying. She would reflect on how it wasn't all that great of a power, not becuase of how situational it is, but because of how it impacts social relationships. It can be hard to trust people when a magical siren goes off everytime someone exaggerates a tale, ommits a painful truth, or feigns an emotion or interest.
I can only imagine what Heimdall was like before he became the bully, or if he was the same way before he got those eyes.
100th like!
Also the eyes
its the same VA for luke in twd season 2, lucas in the minecraft telltale series 1 and 2 and nightwing in arkham knight
His power is low key torture, no matter what he sees everyone’s true intentions
That's where his pompous attitude comes from. When you see everything, know everything, dodge everything, you'd start to think everyone was beneath you and treat everything so casually. But as the saying goes, "the bigger they are, the harder they fall."
I'd like to see his powers explored more. It's a genuinely interesting complex it gives him. If only he wasn't such an asshole and stuck around for longer lol.
Heimdall spent so long seeing how people are he never learnt to see how people could be.
His biggest flaw
And reads everyone's else's minds so much that he can't think for himself
Yup. You can't be edgy2meme420 all the time an expect something good to come from it. Like we get it people can be assholes but you don't ha e to be one.
@@disneylover6408 Honestly, pretty much what led to his demise. Sad, he would’ve been a badass ally i’d love to see him interact with Sindri and Brok had it been a better ending
Tbh I kinda do feel bad a lil bit for him, like he can never hope to make assumptions about people cause he’s stuck with knowing who they are already 😢
but hey, heartbreaks are averted.
Explains how cynical and cocky he is.
Well he had a idea of who kratos was and found out a bit more in death
@@kawaiionee-chan9557 ye, guess that’s what happens when underestimate a guy who is literally known for killing gods
@@blackhooded1596 In fairness, he learned the ‘easy’ way first (just getting waxed and losing an arm), it was being _spared_ by someone he considered a barbarian (and who was justified in reasons to get rid of him) that he couldn’t live with.
Heimdall: “I WILL be watching.”
Kratos: “Not for long.”
"They don't know I know everything"
LMFAOO Heimdall is that meme
Honestly the best way to piss him off would to just agree with him. Every insult, every jab. "Ya, I don't know what I'm doing" "I don't know what I want" "I don't really know why I'm doing this". All he does is belittle and insult, try to get a rise out of you, take that away and he has nothing
... he'd see that.
it would only work if you genuinely agreed with him, and even then, people would obviously agree with the truth, even if they dont openly admit it
@@daenite2480even if he saw that he’d hate it, this was the same guy who got pissed that kratos pitied and spared him and basically killed himself
@@justaguywithagoodphoto4801 nah that's not the same thing. That was Kratos putting down Heimdall, not himself.
@@daenite2480 it would, this guys ego is so bad that even if he knows what you think and can easily predict you he’ll still get annoyed and frustrated you thought of it and done it. Hes THAT dude
@@justaguywithagoodphoto4801 Heimdall is an asshole because his ability cursed him to see the true intent and thoughts people make. If everyone is just lying to each other and lying to themselves and you know it, there's no one to trust and you're socially left alone. That's why this video talks about why he envies Odin. Tie that in with the false idea that he's effectively invincible and that he's loyal to a fault with Odin, and you get the jerk that is Heimdall.
He isn't a typical Disney Channel bully who relies on making people feel bad solely to stroke his ego. If anything, he'd show intrigue at how their mind seems to accept the belittling, if not get bored of it, but it definitely wouldn't piss him off.
Man Heimdall was the best character in Ragnarok
100%
Agreed
🧢 it has to be brok
the funny thing is that Atreus sees the good in most people while Heimdall sees the worst in most people.
Atreus doesn't see the good in people, atleast he didn't initially, he only started to become that way towards the end
I can see why he's not popular at parties lmao
Parties aren't for smart people.
absolutely no bitches for heimdall 😔
That one lady listening to that conversation.
"Dang, this is intense..."
I think Heimdall misunderstands Odin somewhat. Makes sense, from what we’ve Observed of Heimdall his abilities seem to narrow his view of people. He only sees the worst in them and therefore doesn’t get to see the opportunities for good in them. Odin does see the good in people, but only the good that can be exploited. He attempts to appeal to people’s good sides so that he can get what he wants out of them. His relationships are all purely transactional. For Heimdall however, he only sees the worst version of people, and therefore can not see anything exploitable.
Question. Heimdall is cursed to see the worst in people. Is Odin included?
@@RaiseAGlassLads nope cause he thinks so highly of odin, and i quote “odin thinks the best of people. He sees the good in everyone” its literally what he said about odin, when everyone here knows its a lie. Odin was most likely using some sort of spell or manipulation tactic on heimdall to make it seem like hes a good person
He probably thinks highly of Odin because Odin is his dad.
Uncle Heimdall's drinking again.
Has he ever been a kid? They never know what they want for sure.
mayby bcs of his power he never be a kid...
Cats too. They want to go out then come back in...go out...come back in...go out...
I like how heimdall is taken aback by atreus genuinely trying to make friends. Like, "hmm okay I'll level with you kid"
"Some lie to themselves. Some lie to the world."
Kratos: "Why don't you lie in the dirt."
Heimdall was so well done in this game
Couldn’t hammdal see odins insanity
What if Heimdal wanted to share in that infinite knowledge as well?
If all he sees is intent, then he would naturally see Odin in a better light.
Im pretty sure odin has some magic powers that prevent that.He also has cosmic knowledge after hanging himself
even if he did heimdall by himself can't be the allfather and if push comes to shove, with a snap of the fingers thor is on heimdall ass like white on rice.
@@chocolatemilklover8532 i think he was evil too
*"This dude Heimdalll really standing their calmly like he isn't about to die in a couple days"*
---------- The Mug
Heimdall is like that one school administrator that doesn't like you and is always fucking with you every time he sees you😅
He always sees the worst in people, that can take a toll on ones trust and even be depressing.
So that’s my guess to why he’s so loyal, to serve a purpose (which we ALL long for) to replace the sadness with pride and loyalty.
I kinda wished he lived, he's a really interesting character and it would have been cool to see a one armed Heimdall trying to find a new purpose in life After Ragnarok
Same but without a dead Heimdall, there is no Ragnarok unfortunately. He carries Gjallarhorn and Im sure he'll defend it with everything he has because of his loyalty to Asgard
There is a possibility that he is alive if the bifrost can make him a new arm it's possible it can keep him alive that and choking someone doesn't mean they stay dead
I like to think that a lot of his tension with Heimdall and his whole "chaos in a spiffy archer suit" conversation hints at Atreus growing into Loki as he gets older. Loki, by most accounts, is chaos in Norse Mythology. No one can ever pin down his intentions or which side he is on. He is always moving and changing and thinking. Loki is the perfect opposite of Heimdall because Loki is an entity of change and everything he does changes things for his own gain or loss. You can't predict the actions of a man who doesn't even know what his end goal is. So seeing how the meld the entities of Atreus and Loki further down the line as Atreus matures will be so interesting to see because he is capable of anything.
I like the fact that his teeth are made of gold, I thought they were yellow but looking closer it’s apparent they’re actually golden
Yes because in Norse mythology Hemdall has gold teeth. The fact that the developers have kept this is very nice. But I have to admit that at first I was dubious too, I thought it was a display bug, so I was like "this guy has yellow teeth?!"
Heimdall literally just summed up my existence honestly when I first heard this dialogue I felt like he was dead ass talking to me and not Atreus/Loki anymore.
Hands down the fact he talks about that people lie to the world and lie to themselves without even knowing it definitely is hard facts about us as a species.
But when he begins to talk about not knowing what exactly your goals or your intentions are anymore.
Not knowing who you really are and what you even want at all?
Absolutely struck me down.
These new villains make me feel bad killing em, bc they had justifiable motive and fleshed out character arc unlike Greek ark when the villain only serve as giant body waiting to be slayed
The Greek gods were vain and prideful. Their only motive has ever been to showcase power whenever they can
What's Heimdalls justifiable motive?
@@nnightkingj Loyalty to a cosmic order that he thinks is literally the only stable option for existence.
@@nnightkingj also asir are dicks in general, so imagine the people you help keep safe, talks shit beg your back. Then what makes it worse is heimdall can see your true intentions so compared to the all father who is somewhat a father figure to him, he’s gonna pledge loyalty to the only person that “cares” about him.
Something like idk 🤷🏾♂️
@@spiraljumper74 when there’s a doomsday prophecy in place how is it stable for existence to serve him. You can call it a motive but not really justifiable.
That actually says a lot about him. He sees people true intentions but envy Odin's personality to change that. Dude walks around knowing what people want to say or do all the time.
That's why he takes aspirin
“The Allfather sees the best in people.” Except in himself
Heimdall sees what people “really are” except in himself.
Heimdall is a villain done very well. He hears in the minds yet it gets to him. Why because he sees truth, assumptions, lies & ect. He questions himself because of himself acknowledging various minds. Sad yet relatable.
I can kinda understand Heimdall now.
I wish him and Atreus could've came to an agreement and settled differences.
That's the closest he ever was to being "friendly"
I think Atreus asking “How did you know I had questions?” And Heimdall politely answering “It is my job.” was the nicest he’s ever been to Atreus 😂
Odin sure sees the best in people. The best they can give him.
That was AMAZING. The thing with Heimdall is that he's being truly honest with being allie with Atreus IF their on the same side, he's rude him cause when he sees him he's colored red as enemy.
Put yourself in his place and you would see how hard and difficult it would be to deal with people, everyone would liars and hypocrites.
Heimdall saying that Atreus doesn't know himself what he wants is very interesting because most depictions of Loki even in the original mythology do show him as a schemer but also a servant to his own whims. One day he may help you the other he bite you as a snake
"some people lie to themselves without even knowing"
There's a lot of people out there like this. Sometimes me included. We say stuff just to satisfy whoever we're talking to but not really mean it. Hence, our actions don't coincide with our words.
If I remember correctly, Eric Williams say that anything that comes out of Heimdall's mouth is the truth, basically exposing people on what they're thinking. The fact that Heimdall said Atreus doesn't know what he's even doing, that must mean what Atreus said about not being a spy was the truth. Then again, Atreus was young so of course he'd be indecisive at who he's gonna side with. In the end, his father is the only one he can rely on.
Another character who's mind is f*cked up because he can't stop hearing the thoughts of others...
Surprised that Odin found a way to make himself less suspicious. Hiemdall should have seen him suspicious all along.
He's not gonna think bad of him bc Odin is his father. (Yes that's Confirmed, read lore entry's) I wouldn't want to think bad of my dad.
... ... 'No body ever says what they really mean" ... I kind of see where he is coming from, his antagonistic nature also makes sense
"Heimdall, I'm literally 15"
Heimdall is just the guy that mocks you from the other cell in the beginning of Oblivion.
Heimdall is not really a bad person, he actually had the best ability god ever given to him. It was why Odin put him as an Asgard’s Gatekeeper. He’s simply just doing his job.
His talent is just way too raw for him due to his teen age. He just hasn't been able to control his abilities and contain himself against people’s intention (and it’s proven). Hence it made him look like a jerk.
I love how they did Heimdall kind of like they did baldur. They took their common trope ( in Heimdalls case it's being able to see everything) and they showed us how that could impact someone negatively. Baldur for example not being able to feel anything as a result of bring invulnerable
Heimdall has that shadow rectangle look from a distance.
Poor Heimdall... All his life only see the worst in people...
Heimdall was an amazing “villain” they definitely should have showcased him more. His death felt to quick and rushed its like the devs ran out of imagination and money.
Someone take the mug away from Heimdall. He's had enough for tonight.
this was one of the best lines in the game imo. really gives an insight into Heimdall’s psyche and why he’s such an asshole. because of his powers he has such deep distrust and loathing in people but at the same time only focuses on the worst aspects of other people, blind to his own hypocrisy. even reveals atreus inner workings too with how his motive has shifted and wavered after being treated with such hospitality from Odin. kind of a shame its tucked away in a throwaway encounter in the dining hall where 90% of people can easily miss. this line couldve been used in an pivotal epic cutscene, hell if they made the norse saga into a trilogy, and heimdall wouldve been the 2nd games main villain, this line couldve been the foundation for his character arc.
Yes i have been saying this since Rangnark came out
If they made heimdall the main villain of this game and made a 3rd game the characters could have been much better
@@AskwhoQ Yeah i agree
Atreus’s eyes are so blue it’s crazy. I wonder if it’s because he’s half Frost Giant or if he gets his eyes from Zeus his grandfather
Frost Giant? Wasn't Faye just a regular Jotun? Or are you talking about Loki in Marvel?
@@Urd-Vidan he’s definitely talking about Marvel Loki
Faye has vibrant blue eyes if I’m remembering clearly.
@@Urd-Vidan 🗿
@@Urd-Vidan is there not frost and fire giants?
I really wish Heimdall could have been spared he was a stupid prideful kid.
I'm pretty sure Odin made him the bully that we saw in game.
Oh, i never saw this line before. Now i like him more.
I cant be the only one that loves heimdalls character
To be honest when you think about when you can see everything in someone and they continue to go down that path i could see anyone turn into a heimdall when your surrounded by someone so optimistic and your forced to see 100% of anyone or thing
Heimdall is my favorite character of this game.
Heimdall’s power is: “i CaN sEe ThE fUtUrRrRrReEee!”
"bUlMa AnD vEgEtA hAvE a ChIlD!!"
@@radbman5932 😂 "AtReUs CaN mOrPh InTo AnImAlS!"
@@maximusmech9 TyR iS sUPpOsEd To Be ThE gOd Of WaR BuT sTiLl DoEsN't Do CrAp!!
*Foresight
*Slow down the time
*Can manipulate and use the Bifrost Energy
Mimir knowledge unbeateble.
His eyes are so gawddamn cool
yeah....mind reading would turn pretty much anyone into a sociopath...having to watch someone smile and talk with you in gentle words, while reading the worst insults ever in his mind...
I can’t take it serious of how Heimdall’s Face Is Stiff 😭
I wish this was when Heimdall began warming up to Atreus and was actually nice from time to time to give his death more impact
Hemidall had a point in this conversation actually
This applies to people in real life.
He's spitting facts.
Heimdall is basically Loki if he didn’t have Kratos in his life.
Now I wonder if Odin really sees the best in people or he tricked Heimdall somehow.
It would be interesting to see if Odin really did see the best in people, but somehow he effed up really badly that things turn the way it did. Just a very tragic tale.
Heimdall was reading Atreus’ mind … so after Atreus met Odin, he felt Odin was nice and was considering assisting him
Nah man. Anyone can tel odin was evil, manipulative, and abusive. Im def sure he had something maybe a spell or some kind of manipulation tactic on heimdall.
Odin seeing the best in people was a figure of speech. It wasnt litteral. Not that hard to understand.. 🥱🥱
Odin truely believed his actions were good and justified, so Heimdall had no reasons not to trust him or sense anything negative.
It's pretty obvious that Heimdall knew about Odin mind too.
He's preaching the truth when he says people do t say what they mean.
Heimdall always messes up my mind when you interact with him
Fun fact: The actor for Heimdall in GOW, also voiced Lucas from Mincreaft: Story Mode.
It would be cool if they gave Heimdall unique dialogue for what the player is doing, similar to when everyone reacts to Kratos loot hunting, but like if the player is pacing back and forth he might say something about you being impatient
I can’t even blame him
Heimdall is one of my fav characters from the franchise. I wish we could have seen more from him
When he says chooses to dissect people for their intentions, it shows he could’ve had a redemption arc if he realized Odin took away his ability to read the All-fathers intentions but everyone else’s and doesn’t want to die the type of warrior Odin wants
Dude the lip syncing in this game is actually really well done.
The whole time I'm hoping maybe he'll take stick outta his ass and at least try being friendly with us but then I won't lie when kratos was bouncing his face into the ground like a basketball ball I was laughing yelling haw see that coming good keep em coming
Yeah he f’ed Heimdall up basically Heamdall was asking for it glad Kratos gave him the Hermes treatment.
@@altair227 as soon as I heard " oh is this about that runt now I'm gutting him" I thought yup dead no mercy now lol
@@baldmadmac yeah i laughed at the bouncing like a basketball comment Kratos make us relived when he did that and then choked him to death.
@@altair227 yup I was laughing loudly screaming to myself " c'mon you can see everything why not stopping your face from becoming paste c'mon future man " lol
Why the hell would he be nice with Atreus when he knows Atreus wants to f over Odin and Asgard? This ain’t disney😂
I haven’t played the game, but I gather that Heimdall has the gift of true perception; He sees the true nature of people. I guess this is significant for the moment when he looked up at Kratos and uttered “monster” as he died.
"If even I don't know what I'm doing then you sure as hell don't" ~Loki employing his standard tactics
Damn heimdall must get sick of reading people thoughts
Heimdal is odins son and yet Odin never calls him that
I’m sure Heimdall’s 9 mothers called him their son, though, so that’s perhaps something.
I love Hemidall. It would be cool to see a match up agaist Hermes or Perseus from the previous GoW series. That would be a good match up.
People say they would love to read people’s minds. This guy makes me glad that I can’t.
His powers seems to be a burden, everyone lies but for different reasons.
Meanwhile Heimdall on mead : * inaudible Nomsense *
For a guy who has a gift of foresight, he sure is blinded by jealousy 😂
What’s sad is that with the right guidance
Heimdall would’ve been a nice person as we seen in marvel
Then again, Heimdall chose not to accept Kratos’ mercy & his sparing his life. Like the stubborn, thick-skulled ass he is, he chose to fight to the end.
@@AlastorAltruistGaming causs at that point he is a mess
Not trusting everyone. Only himself it grew to much in him that even if you gave him a solid proof that everything will be ok
He will never accept it cause the millions of years he spend not thrusting everyone turning him into what you see now
That’s what I said if he had a guidance from the start of his power
He would be a nice person now
It’s funny cause I believe if some random person could read minds and not get touched like heimdallr they’d act the same way
And then there's Kratos. He says what he's thinking, the problem is that he uses the _same sound_ to convey every thought he has.
Yes = "Hrmph."
No = "Hrmph."
I think I'll have boar for dinner = "Hrmph."
That's honestly a very nuanced perspective of Heimdall I never realized. Always having to listen to people's thoughts even if you don't want to can easily make a person very jaded and cynical. I honestly feel for him.
Hiemdall is an ass but he’s right about people being disingenuous. He doesn’t like Atreus and he doesn’t pretend to. Gotta admire that at least.
It baffles me how he can see peopels true intent, yet supports Odin whole heartedly.
Heimdall acts like he's never met a teenager before lol. No one completely knows who they are at that age.
Heimdall the singlest person in the nine realms
It’s crazy how engaging and thought out this game was. I beat it, understood the majority of it, but they put so much thought into it that you still have to analyze it afterwards.
In my play through I never saw this! Thanks for sharing
It’s hilarious how undermined Atreus is in the game when he’s literally like 13, slaying beasts and going on glorious adventures