Only ONE Good Reason to Use this Hammock - Haven Lay Flat Hammock Review
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- Haven tents are one of the only true lay flat hammocks on the market. Are they any good or just a gimmick? I dig into all the reasons why you wouldn't want to take this backpacking, as well as the ONE reason why I would. Check out my video to find out more.
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@@ScottyHunter that's because this guy is a complete fraud and has no idea what he's talking about 😂
Thanks for taking a look. I wish you had fully inflated your air mattress... that makes a big difference in hammock performance and I can see from the video that it was not topped off. We've never claimed to be the lightest shelter. That seems to be your number one factor. But most people find laying in the Haven much more comfortable that laying in a traditional hammock or laying on the ground on a pad. We do offer a Backyard Test to customers in the US. They can try the tent at home with a 100% money back guarantee if they do not like the lay... in the end it comes down to personal preference. I want to thank our customers who found your video before I did and weighed in with their own comments. Love you guys!
Haven is amazing wish the cost in the Uk was better but Iv got mine and it’s my first choice every time
I agree the pad was not inflated to its full potential I have the original size haven I’d love to try the XL version it can only be better having that extra room love my haven hammock had many great nights lay in comfort protected fully from the elements with the easy option of looking out at the views around unrestricted in comfort
I have no idea if your product is good or not, but I'd like to hear the opinion of someone who isn't biased against hammocks in the first place. The fact that this guy doesn't like hammocks disqualifies his opinion from being relevant for me. Frankly, I'm not sure how he can give a good review if he thinks hammocks don't make good shelters. By the way, side sleeping in hammocks is some of the most relaxing sleep I've ever gotten.
I do not own a Haven yet (waiting for the Safari to ship), but i have lots of hammocking under my belt. I can say without hesitation, that i will never sleep on the ground again unless i absolutely have to. I dont think it is 'gimmicky' in the least. It hits a niche demographic that arent afraid to carry extra weight for extra comfort. I cant understand why anybody would ever want to sleep on the ground. Its hard, uneven, pools water, gets muddy, and is often bumpy and lumpy.
I dont think people are gonna buy this to get attention at the campsites. They're gonna get it because its unique, comfortable, and gets them off the ground. Does setup take a little getting used to ? Sure. But setting up a new tent the first few times is also a bit of a PITA. But after that, its a breeze and done fairly quickly. I know for myself, when i hang my hammocks, my footend buckle is at chest height and my head end buckle is at about waist level. Then i tweek it from there. Takes me about 3 minutes.
Once i get a better PC that can edit videos without lagging, ill post a review of the safari.
Thank you for the review though; its always good to get a variety of opinions.
I was curious if a closed cell sleeping pad under the air mattress would help? I think it looks like an amazing product and I’m saving to buy one for fall.
I bought the haven hammock tent when it 1st came to the market. I took it on multiple day, 25 mile kayak camp trips. I have made this trip a few times. I was so impressed, I purchased their wider version. I have made multiple kayak camp trips with it as well. 1st of all, your air mattress is not full. This is why your mattress is not staying in place. The corners have little pockets to hold the mattress. When I 1st used mine, I filled it up tight. When I laid in the hammock, it bowed my back. Then I adjusted the air valve. Reduced a little pressure, until I was comfortably flat.
I purchased and own 2 of them. I am completely satisfied with quality and comfort.
As a kayaker, I love this thing. Just make sure you fully inflate the mattress and have it tensioned well with the straps
What do you mean tensioned well with straps?
@@lukefh3093 I guess he means pull the ridge line tight
To each their own. I have the Haven and it's been great for me. Tents are out for me at 70,
Too much crawling around on hands and knees. Im a side sleeper and none of hammocks, Chameleon, Dream hammock Raven or my Henessy have been
comfortable laying on my side. I side sleep very comfortably on the Haven.
Thanks for sharing!
One over looked feature is if the bad really does somewhat fold inward, it's actually better for slide sleepers because it keeps the kinetic chain properly aligned by wedging at the hips and scapula , I just discovered this tent and I can't wait to get it. On thing I hated about sleeping in a tent on the floor was it was just too uncomfortable for side sleeping
I have a Haven XL I use for Moto Camping . The comfort is the biggest selling point for me . Laying on the ground is just not as comfortable any more.
Thx my husband is very tall and getting older and tents would be too hard and truck bed not easy either. I like this idea. He can snore in his own tree lololol
I have the regular size model and I have shaved the trail weight down to 2,5kg. It’s still heavy but for me the quality of sleep is totally worth it. I sleep better in my Haven than in my bed.
sounds great! how did you shave the weight to 2,5kg? thank you!
@@gesund_frausein
I for one made carbon fiber inside poles(3d point parts and carbon fiber tubes). Also changing the ground pegs can save you a bit. Maybe a lighter suspension strap and you can easily go 2.3-2.4kg which is not terrible.
@@AlbertVicol thank you very much!
Steven, hammock camping is really not "gimmicky", especially in rainy conditions. I switched from tents years ago. Now, here's how I set/break down my camp: 1. Set up rain fly. Now I am out of the rain (if any) and protecting my gear and myself. 2. Set up the hammock & sleep system. Result: no worries about ground condition, slope, drainage, poke items, etc. It also provides a nice dry comfortable seat to use while eating. Breaking camp: 1. Pack up sleep system. 2. Pack up hammock. 3. Pack up fly last minute when you're ready to leave (use a waterproof bag if it's wet). Result: no cleanup required, for either the ground or the tent floor, and nothing other than the fly is wet. It usually takes me 4-6 minutes to set up/ break down. If the fly is wet, I unpack it later to dry if conditions permit. I can also set up in wind, snow, and complete darkness without a headlamp. No tricky tent poles to wrangle or a flapping tent trying to get away from me as I set it up. It took me a while to get used to hammock sleeping as I'm also a side-sleeper, but it was worth it. I spend far less time setting up/breaking down my camp each night and I save a lot of energy. I haven't used the Haven yet. I use a Hennessy Asym or an Evo. The Haven will require a bit more time to set up. I'm going to get one of these this season. Liking your videos so far. Lots of good, sensible recommendations. I just had to take issue with this one...sorry.
and beside some bark ruffing on 2 trees... leaves no traces of your passage....
Having owned a Haven for over a year, I do think you are being overly critical. Yes it’s a little heavy but it’s an all in one system that isn’t really that much more heavy than your average or early setups. For someone like me, who is a side sleeper and cannot sleep on the ground, it was really a lifesaver on my trips. It tells you in the instructions to set it up with the head higher and after the first time it’s really not as big a deal as you make it out to be. There are also videos on how to adjust the pad from the inside. There is also actual more space on the inside than a traditional hammock so I don’t see why that’s such a big deal either. You are entitled to your opinion but it seemed like you went looking for problems and found them. But hey you weren’t out right scathing and you are entitled to that opinion. I hope you do well in the future. Cheers!
How heavy are average systems? I'm not a hammocker.
@@willek1335 Lets put it this way, a quick search at REI and the ENO JungleLink hammock, which is an all-in-oneish system is reported to be 3 lbs and 3oz. That does not include an underquilt which, with a quick search at UGQs website, a 10 degree full length weighs 1.08 lbs ( for their cheaper option). I have actually weighed this out as I have taken it on backpacking trips. The Haven (regular) is sold as a 4 season sleep system and is made with heaver materials is a little over 4 lbs for the tent and rigging and about 1.5 lbs for the pad which has a r value of 4 (you only need like 2.5 - 3 for three season). I'm not saying that this is a system for everyone, or that it's not heavier because it is, and that people that ARE going for minimalist ultralight should defiantly not pick this set up. What I am saying though is that weight wasn't a huge factor for me and the great sleep that I get out of it is worth it for a little extra in my pack. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but this hammock tent is not marketed as ultralight, its marketed as giving great sleep in the back country and it does that whole heartedly in my opinion. Sorry if this was a little ranty, I just really like mine..... Its really a personal preference but I think mine is worth it and will continue to use it going forward.
Agreed. There are also several mattresses that fit inside this thing from end to end and side to side that fit well in there. I don't think he really knows what he's talking about. Why do I say that? He doesn't even hang this thing the right way. The "30° Method" doesn't apply to hammocks with a ridge line. You only do that on gathered end hammocks. This thing was meant to be pulled taught, and I actually use ratchet straps that are easy to take down and clip onto themselves. That way it's taught and yoy don't sag. I really don't trust this reviewers opinion
I laugh at backpackers who complain about weight. Not because i dont understand where they're coming from, but rather because im an ex-infantry soldier.
I am thrilled with a 30lb pack weight, let alone anything under 20lbs. Sleep is the most important thing to me on the trail and i will gladly haul the weight of a systme that offers me both protection and comfort. Im in on the Safari kickstarter and cant wait to get it.
Agreed! I hiked the Colorado Trail in 1993 with an old-school expedition type approach: nothing UL about it. I made the entire trip from Denver to Durango comfortably, while all of the ultra-light backpackers bailed. Too many people these days put too much emphasis on weight. 6-7 pound sleep system is a breeze if you are in proper condition. I would take the Haven XL on a through trip any day, especially for the better sleep. Better sleep = better recovery = more stamina for the long-haul.
@@MicahBall42
Thats interesting about the UL hikers. 🤣
Good for you.
Every back packer carries more than 30lbs. I don't care what you are, go hike for 3 months every day and tell me weight doesn't matter. Dolt.
Infantry rarely gets to take a complete sleep system....or rest.
I bought the XL last year and took it on a 140 mile hike of the Northville Placid trail in the Adirondacks. I made some modifications and was able to get the total weight under 4 pounds. Absolutely LOVED it and slept like baby. Planning to use it on the AT next year.
I'd be very interested to know how you modified it to get to that weight. 👍
@@kevinparker9407 I ditched the heavy steel carabiners and replaced the straps with light weight titanium cinch buckle straps. Also got rid of the heavy tarp that comes with it and I used my own dyneema tarp. I replaced the aluminum spreader bars with carbon fiber bars (this was pretty expensive and a stupid expense but I wanted to see how light I could make it). Finally, I got rid of their heavy storage sack and I stuff it all in a dyneema stuff sack.
@@EndOfTrail Many thanks for the reply. Happy camping!
@@EndOfTrail thanks for info
That trail is awesome, is it not?! I regularly Hike the section from Long Lake to Shattuck Clearing/Cold River area. We also Hiked from Placid to LL a couple years ago. Trail could use some work now, getting a bit overgrown with all the rain we've had recently.
Definitely giving you a like and a sub for your honesty and transparency. For me tho, the Haven is a great option. I've had mine for a while now and its been on many motorcycle camping trips. It has allowed me to comfortably take trips that I otherwise couldn't have done.Thanks to the Haven Tent I can go out and see more of our beautiful planet on a budget.
Although your points have some validity I think you missed the point of their product. I have followed them for quite some time and they never advertise as "a tent that is suspended in the air". They advertise "Making sleep the highlight of your camping experience". I do think its the most comfortable sleep I have had outdoors because my hips (where the majority of your weight is) is allowed to sink/dip lower; allowing a more "at-home" like position. I have also made a few minor tweaks in my setup and have it at 5 Pounds with the Pad included so the tent/hammock is about 3.5 pounds. Not an ultralight system by any means but I'm willing to carry an extra 2-3 pounds to get a good nights sleep. Just my two cents!
As a 69 yo very frequent motorcycle camper I have researched the Haven and am going to try it out. After ground sleeping for almost 65 years (started young) my body is telling me it needs a little TLC... lol.. Aftet riding a full day, to not have to climb in and out of a tent sounds good to me..... I appreciated your honesty....
Did you ever pull the plug on it? I motorcycle camp as well and am on the fence as I already own an ENO hammock with a Them-a-rest NeoAir sleeping pad (their highest R-value pad they make). It's a nice setup but def makes you in to a Taco which doesn't work so well for side sleepers.
Not sure someone who doesn’t even like hammocking should be doing a review on one but I’ve been using my haven xl for over a year now and have almost none of the issues this guy has. Feel like it’s a bit of user error. The weight is annoying but as a side sleeper I have a horrible time in tents and this product has made my nights backpacking amazing. Most of my backpacking trips are about a week long. Size is great for a hammock. It’s not really a tent. More like a bivy. I’ll take the extra weight for a good nights sleep. Not a gimmick. They’ve fixed the few issues that I have with the original version.
Looked like you’ve never used it and I find out that’s correct. What a review. You have to test and trial it first.
All the gear, no idea.
I just bought 2 (used, so, half price). A regular and an XL. I haven’t backpacked with one yet, but setting it up in the yard and laying in it is really comfy. My wife and I like them a lot so far. You’re right about the weight. You’re right about the bowing in the middle ( but it’s still pretty flat ). We intend to take them backpacking to see if the weight kills us. Lol.
I sleep on my side in hammocks, but really I think the major issue in these reviews comes down to whether or not the reviewer is comfortable with hammocks or not. This is a good, honest review IMO that brings up valid issues and benefits to this hammock, but I personally do not feel "crowded" in a hammock (a common negative complaint) and have other ways to deal with gear storage complaints raised by the tent crowd.
And there is a flip side, I find ground sleeping uncomfortable, never have found a reliable and comfortable ground pad/air mattress, cots are even heavier, and only a good waterbed beats a hammock for sleeping.
@kamaeq... You are correct, in my opinion, that the reviewer is not a hammocker, and thus not qualified to comment or review this product. Do you have experience with the Haven? How much does your full sleep kit weigh? I am curious enough to weigh my whole hanging kit, (hammock, straps, underquilt, biners, etc) to see how much less it is than the Haven. Can one switch out the tarp and use their own lighter version? Lighter pad or one with more R value? More research!
@@bobthetomato8375 Never actually weighed it since I haven't done any real hiking with it. My primary is the biggest Hennesy and it is hefty, but lighter than my back pack tent. The biggest problem is bulk with the hammock, sleeping bag and a "jedi" looking heavy terrycloth bathrobe. It keeps me warm down to a few degrees below freezing (lowest I've slept in it).
I've got a much lighter one with separate fly for backpacking and poncho liner that works into the 50s F (10-15 C?). Again I haven't weighed it. I'll try to get it all together and weigh it Saturday.
i just got home from a trip with my haven, i absolutely love it! while it does weigh more than other set ups i have i sleep so much better so it is completely worth it. it also drastically improves your experience if you inflate the pad all the way.
I enjoy your channel, style and brevity. I understand your point of view for your use of the Haven tent. I am however, very pleased with my Haven XL. I winter camp, bike tour camp, kayak camp more than multi-day backpacking. My chronic back problem did not like the first two regular hammocks. I purchased an Amok 3.0 about 5 years ago. I needed a hammock that I could get in and out of in the winter with bulky sleeping bags and clothing. I am very pleased with the XL. I rarely have flat ground for camping on my adventures. Considering the total weight includes a 30” w x 80” L x 4” thick air mattress that weighs 2 & 3/4 lb. of the 7 lb. 10 oz. total. I am 73, so comfortable sleeping is important . Keep your informative videos coming, we enjoy your work.
Hey, do you have any feedback on your Amok? How does it compare to your Haven in terms of comfort? Thanks.
@@MrRaptor2x i tried both, Haven any day .
Seems like it's pretty darn comfortable as a car or motorcycle camping tent, but not as a backpacking tent.
For car camping it's not about being suspended between the trees: the height allows people with back issues to sit down rather than getting on the ground, and the suspension also helps people with back issues.
Also great for bicycle touring imho,
You nailed it. Those points are why I ordered on the other day.
Yeah, many people just don't get is how a real hammock works. Sailing ships aside, you are supposed to lay across or diagonally across a hammock and real hammocks are designed to keep the user's body flat when used that way. With the popularity of hammocks came manufacturers who just don't get it either. Though I do see some advantages in them, I am a tent hiker as in Australia, a hammock means sleeping under widow makers. Look up & live.
Must say i do disagree with you. Love my haven tent, sleep well, have no problem reposition, and love that i dont need to find a flat spot without rocks, roots or ants.
A little bit harsh. We all compromise on our choices when it comes to weight vs perceived value. I don't own the lightest of *anything*. Some people are happy to carry a chair into the back country. Small? Which hammocks are spacious? I think that in an effort to appear tough and honest, you have gone a bit over the top. You can easily discuss the features, pros/cons without going for the jugular :) It will have its market. Just not you, and that's ok.
Hammocks are the best for side sleepers! You just need a pillow and proper angle against the hammock, you should never lie the parallel to hook points!
But does that really make it completely flat? I'll believe it when I see it
@@HansenFT Yes. It does.
Regular hammocks are not great for side sleepers when you are 6’3”. Finding a hammock big enough to lay diagonal is hard. That’s why I love the idea of the Haven tent. No need to contort myself and hope I stay in that position in a regular hammock(which is impossible at 6’3”).
@@rclines001 Yea especially with this being more durable with the safari set up. That thing is gonna be awesome. I can't wait to get mine. I'm gonna replace the ridge line with 9mm dynacord.
@@HansenFT I’m usually a side sleeper, but in a hammock I have no problem sleeping on my back. It’s just so comfy. I think it’s because you’re never completely flat, so if you’re like me and hate sleeping on your back it feels better.
Didn’t look set up correct the pad looked under inflated and as for the weight it’s well worth carrying that weight it’s so comfy
I’ve done several days backpacking with my haven tent, and it’s awesome! I’m 5’8” 150 lbs. I got the original Haven about 2 years ago. It’s more compact and manageable than my ground setup: a North Face stormbreak 1, and a big Agnes insulated pad. It fits quite neatly on top of my sleeping bag, which I keep at the bottom of my pack. (Windrider 4400) The thing I love most about it is how comfortable it is. Best sleep ever in the backcountry! Haven rules!
Something tells me you are a paid customer
Many truths here. Lots of folks, such as I take short hikes to known wild camps to spend more time at camp. Hip issues give me fits sleeping on the ground no matter what pad I use. Being off the ground and a flat lay is outstanding. I really enjoy mine, especially for winter camping.
I imagine that if you hate hammocks and like tents, the Haven would be a poor choice. It did look like the pad was underinflated, but that probably wouldn't make a difference if someone didn't like hammocks.
Most hammock hangers don't find being off the ground to be a mere gimmick though. Not having to find a level place, not needing a flat place without obstacles, not having to crawl on your knees, being above wet muddy ground, being above larger crawling critters, and sleep without pressure points aren't really a mere gimmick.
Havens don't look like a good fit for the fast and light crowd. They're probably more suited to the sorts that bring a couple of tripods, a few cameras, a drone and batteries to keep them running. I've looked at them for kayak camping where the ability to set up both on and off the ground is a bonus.
I got a Haven tent a couple years ago unfortunately, it did not work out for me for the same reasons that you stated, but I will say it is very well made and their customer service is top-notch
that was a rough but necessary review. Much appreciated. I think more than the review the product speaks very much to the process of planning a trip and building a trailhead truck. There are so many ways you can approach backpacking. So many ways to over pack and worse, over pack wrongly in a way that doesn't even meet your actual needs. I appreciate the challenge. Recently I was building out a little camper shell on my pickup to make a trailhead vehicle. I try to get to altitude one night before I start and this would make it simple. I started the process in 2020 so time was ubundent. I poured over the 12 trillion videos of exactly that...but they were essentially all the same to varying degrees of greatness. A bed over one wheel well, storage, sink, stove, battery setup over the other - a bit of space between and again varying degrees of storage under it all in some form of long drawers.
I obsessed over making the right set up with the right amount of battery power, one that was flexible and modular...after months and months and one comment from my wife exactly none of that happened.
She asked what was not asked when this hammock was still in committee....WHY?
Why was I planing all this todo when I just spent a week in the mountains perfectly content without any of it. She in essence asked me "Why am I not looking at the truck the same way I look at backpacking" ....so I did.
The result (still not complete yet) was a perfect plan to include zero storage and insulate the hell out of it. What was for sure every day is that it's either too hot or too cold in the back of a camper shell. now I open the windows and it's like sitting under a shady tree in the hottest of weather. It's carpeted and comfortable and open and uncluttered. I built two chairs that slide out into any degree of recline and then into a single or a double bend - sitting lower BETWEEN the wheel wells - I'm not staring out the windows when lying down. I covered them with 4" of foam and a fur duvet that was my daughters. So theres my backpack and two awesome looking super comfy mink chair/beds in a very comfortable space that will keep me warm, dry, and out of the wind and sun. I have to admit...if a fishing tournament, or a back country cookoff happens, If I get stuck in a pothole in the parking lot...I am woefully unprepared. But I got exactly what I wanted and needed....it just took a while to get it out of committee with an acceptable project worthy of pursuing. One of the biggest benefits of my minimalist approach.....there's really nothing to steal. I make the beds into a chair, cover the fur with an ugly sheet and its an utterly uninteresting empty truck bed. It takes time to get it right - this hammock was just a good idea, that shouldn't have come to fruition for all the reasons mentioned. You gotta be willing to scrap it all sometimes to get it right.
Cheers all.
Very cool ideas,do you have any pictures you might share of the setup??thanks
@@PK-km5hu Thanks. I do but I'm an old guy with pretty much zero online presence (this is it) and less tech sense. I've never uploaded before but maybe I will put something together about this just so people can see it. Just like the video, I can't use this as a play truck full time, so save for the shell insulation and carpet, the rest is light weight and removable...pretty much with one hand. Currently in work configuration.
I also have another video that needs to be made...I like it even more than my truck. My gear closet. I'll spare you the details but its fair to say that REI would be jealous. I'm proud not because I'm rich and can buy cool stuff....but because I have no money and can still create amazing things with whats thrown away. There was a point where the truck buildout cost me nothing...just stuff I had. Then the beds got made (all free) and they were so cool I kinda had to keep up. so I boned out for the carpet vs wood finishes that I had...It's been fun. If I get it done I'll ping you here. Thanks again
I do most of my camping on crown land where there aren't established campsites so tent pads are few and far between. I never know if I'll have trees or flat areas to set up on. The Haven suits me perfectly. I love hammocks, but I've always struggled to side sleep which is my go to. This solves all my problems. Since I usually canoe-camp, the added weight is somewhat irrelevant. And it's really not that much heavier than my other setups, tent or hammock. Since you seem like a backpacker, I understand your concern about weight. I don't agree with your review, but as they say, hang your own hang. Thanks for sharing your perspective! Cheers!
To me, the extra weight is totally worth the comfort, and being off the ground. After hiking up to 10k feet in RMNP, only to find snow and water at my designated campsite, I was tremendously grateful to have it.
Yeah i was gonna say i feel like getting good sleep is totally worth the extra weight you have to carry during the day
Appreciate the honesty on this one Steven! Not sure how many times we need to say it folks, if you're a side or stomach sleeper, stick with a tent! I can see from your b roll that even on your stomach it still bows from front to back which will give you back pain in the morning. I think a lot of times reviewers are afraid to provide less than a positive review for things they're sent for free. I think it's refreshing to see a review that just doesn't hit the mark. Kudos!
That's because he didn't set it up properly. It's a biased review and set up in a way to prove his biases against it.
@@sneakybow1 He didn't set it up properly. The damn hammock wasn't even pulled taught when it uses a ridgeline.
I can see the heavy hammock being a usable option for canoe camping. Weight isn't as big a factor when you're doing most of your distance in a canoe. Many sites in the BWCA or Quetico are rocky and uneven. Trees are plentiful. So, a hammock works well for some on canoe trips up north.
I love mine, especially when you're in heavily wooded areas in Japan where a tent is a no go this is the only option. I love my haven Hammock. Shave pounds elsewhere. The quality of sleep can't be overstated, and this Hammock delivers. If you're an ultralight backpacker who sleeps on a loin cloth then this one is not for you. If you like quality sleep then go haven. :)
Hammocks are gimmicky? I agree, if you are a thru hiker there are lighter options. Most people aren't and TBH after 50, sleeping on the ground is not that fun anymore. I used to have a mattress on the floor in college, now I have a bed. This is kind of like that.
I tried one shortly after it came out and for me the weight was the deal breaker and I sold it on. I prefer to hammock wherever possible and wanted a combined option for long hikes where I could camp if I was above the treeline. If I was motorcycle camping where I wasn't hiking then this would be a good option but I'd probably pack a slightly bigger tarp. I suspect that Havens development and manufacturing costs have determined their materials choice to maximise returns. If they could get the tent and insulated mat combined weight to 1.2kg or lower I'd be prepared to pay more and buy it. The design concept is sound, it provides a stable lay flat hammock with under insulation eliminating the need for bulky underquilts and a comfortable ground sleep. I look forward to the hi tech version in dyneema or similar and the ability to use top of the range uberlight mats from other suppliers perhaps. Not a gimmick IMHO just 'a ship spoiled for an halfpenny worth of tar'.
I think the biggest thing to note is he is not a hammock camper. A lot of the things he mentioned are the same as any hammock that is easily solved. Except the mattress that is silly.
Interesting and brutally honest review from your perspective. I myself own a Warbonnet Ridgerunner which is similar but with some differences that make it far superior in my opinion. Importantly it does not require a specific pad or even any pad for that matter. Underquilts can also easily be used. It is a double layer which allows you to insert any type and/or size pad you desire from closed cell to fully inflatable. Once the pad is inserted between the layers it stays put no matter how much you thrash around. It also has storage space on both ends and on both sides. I believe the Ridgerunner weighs 35oz and I use a Thermarest closed cell pad which is less than a pound, so we're looking at roughly 3 lbs. The main reason I prefer hammocks over tents is the comfort level and the ease of setting up and tearing down in the rain. It has nothing to do with being gimmicky or looking cool to other campers. I used one on my 2012 AT hike and never regretted it. I strongly urge you to try a Ridgerunner before giving up on hammocks.
I have a Ridge runner and a haven. Ridgerunner is better for weight and over all can't be messed with. But the haven in 10 time more comfortable in my experience.
The point of the haven is that it's very flat and that's also why it requires a specific air pad.
I love mine, I have a neck injury and it's super comfy for me. The airmatress just has to be fully inflated. I've even stayed dry through a rainstorm.
This seems like a pretty good option for what we are looking for. I have just started my research, but this is one I want to look into more. We'd be car camping so the weight isn't an issue and we need to be off the ground since our camping location has super uneven and rocky ground. It also has plenty of trees. Time to watch more videos!
This seems like a great option for me, since I motorcycle camp so a few extra pounds won’t hurt me…
The benefits of being off the ground, and none of the crushing of a normal hammock make this great for me. I like hammocks but I’m claustrophobic so I need one that’s flat, and I would much rather have something at waist height than crawl in and out of a tent.
Good review, just seems like the product wasn’t designed for you. You have a very narrow backpacker specific lens and that’s fine, but lots of us camp in other ways. My friend does primarily mountain bike/e-bike camping and she’s more of a weight watcher than you are because she says the weight throws her balance off when she’s pedaling hard. Everyone is different and that’s cool… we all like to get out and enjoy the world however we can within our budget, abilities and availability. I have lung cancer so physical exertion is out for me… lol I’m lazy.. so this kind of tent would be great if I could afford it.
You said let ya know 😆.. I know some Marines weighing in at 300-320 fully packed out on their feet. I still pack out with my Diamond 2 man that's 10lbs. My full gear set up is around 50-55lbs but I rarely do over 6 miles. I've got 3 spots on the river I go to that makes me happy.
So I am not a big hiker (other than exploring) but I do a lot of Jeeping so wait is not an issue. I get way off grid with my Jeep and this seems like the perfect hammock to use. I am 6'2 250 and hate sleeping on the ground. I believe that this setup would take up less room that a tent and xl cot in the jeep. I need all the space saving I can get in 2 door.
This looks good for motorcycle campers who don’t have to worry about 8lbs as much as a hiker.
I love my Haven xl for my kayaking trips and setting up at the lake between the trees, but my 10 yr old took it over and I’m back on the ground in my Nemo
Ouch!!! I would say that the brutally honest and one sided review would be warranted if the company only marketed as a backpacking sleep system. Also, you obviously just backpack. So, naturally this would not be the option unless you go to a camp ground and hike in a few miles. I think you need to understand the definition of gimmick. This company clearly was not intending to create a product as a gimmick, those usually cost 19.95.....but wait there is more concept.
There is definitely a niche for this great idea! I'm heavily considering the haven against other bridge style hammocks. This one offers customization which I think is great. I'm not a gear junkie so one stop shop works for me. I'm hoping to add it to my moto camp set up. Also, this might be my best chance to try some winter hammocking and just throw it in the pulk. Anyway, I hope that your honest reviews in the future take in the whole picture. There is more to camping than just backpacking.
First off, you make good quality videos with really good editing. So keep it up.
I would say though, that to compare the interior space as small by comparing it to a tent doesn't exactly make sense to me. I don't know if they try to market as a floating tent, but it's clearly a hammock. Compared to a hammock, it looks like it has as good or better interior space than any other hammock. The weight obviously is a draw back. I'm sure it can be lightened by swapping the spreader bars and changing suspension. And to have to include the weight of the pad, especially at that size, in the overall weight of the shelter when comparing it straight to a standard tent or hammock with no pad definitely makes it seem like it's way heavier than it is. I'm sure that huge pad has got to weigh 2lbs or more. I'm glad you mentioned it for people who might not have thought about it.
ALL OF THAT SAID, it really doesn't look like a practical shelter for backpacking. And looks a little gimmicky as a hammock. It could be cool as a car camping shelter. Or on short backpacking overnights as you said. I'm sure it's really comfortable.
hammocks for camping do have a steeper learning curve. i have made my own, 11ft x 4.5ft. correctly set up, i sleep on my side and even roll over onto my other side when i sleep in it. i have even slept on my stomach in it.
Hammock camping is the best. I even sleep on my side sometimes in a hammock, I've never understood how others cannot.
Seems you miss the point of hanging, you keep saying the only benefit is hanging in the air, but hanging in the air has a lot of benefits.
- more comfortable sleep, not being on the hard ground
- easier to get in and out of at seat height, don't have to crawl in,
- the views with one side of the tarp up
- less condensation
Etc...
Yeah this is heavy, so not great for backpacking, but kayak camping, bike, motorcycle, car, etc.. it offers a lot of benefits.
- off the ground when it rains keeps you dry
I should add the price on this is really good IMO, a tent/hammock, tarp, and pad for 350ish is a pretty good deal.
I do a lot of canoe camping in wooded areas. My Haven XL Hammock is perfect because I can sleep on my side and don't have to find a flat spot or clear the ground of rocks and sticks. Plus, it is comfortable. I'm an older hiker and the quality of sleep I get is very important. Either you like hammocks or you don't. I love 'em!
Try the ENO Skylite hammock. It's a bridge hammock with rigged lines running though it to avoid the bowing issue. Sure, it's a bit heavier than a normal hammock, but it is very good. As for the "gimmick" of being both a tent and a hammock, I don't think it is a gimmick. It may be a good option if you have one shelter and may end up near and away from trees. I hope they continue to refine the design to fix the biggest issues. Seems like it has a lot of potential.
The review was honest, despite being harsh. This is an Ultralight backpacker, and they made a mistake in their choice of target audience. Should have sent it to someone like TheOutdoorGearReview or PaleoHikerMD. Or someone with previous Hammock experience who would like to try this out.
The Haven is great! It is, although, not a light or compact piece of kit - It is a comfort item. Suitable for Bicycle tourers, Car/motorcycle campers. It's for someone who cares more about a good night's sleep than having a light pack. Hammocks are perfect for elders as they don't have to bend over and crawl on the ground. This one even more so if you are a side/stomach sleeper.
I have used haven for over a year and just order one more. Your view on this is your opinion of course but calling it a gimmick ……. Well to be honest…. You dont use it right and it feels like you try to find shit that doesnt even exist. Just standing in front of the camera talking it down with no experiense, since you cant even set it up right….. bad, really bad. So no thumbs up for you. Do it right or not at all.
Good for car camping and snow camping. Used for both and it works great. This guy didn’t inflate the pad enough and I think his straps were too loose.
My friends been using this thing for over 10 trips now and absolutely loves it. Never complained about the weight, and we walked 20km a day. He isn’t the most fit dude either. Feels like you just really don’t like hammocks 😂😘
The Haven Tent Hammock is perfect for moto-camping!
I saw this thing a while ago and instantly thought: "Who is this for?"
You nailed all of my immediate thoughts when I found out it weighed over 7 lbs. I can't think of a single use case for it.
Moto camping and canoeing
If you aren't in a hurry just hike fewer miles with more weight
Every type of camping that doesn’t care about weight. If you’re not backpacking (and most people aren’t) the weight will have no effect at all. And even if you are backpacking, this is still a valid option for lots of people. I know a significant number of backpackers that very much believe the better rest they’ll get from a more comfortable sleep system more than makes up for that system’s extra weight.
It’s not for you, and that’s fine. But a company won’t stay in business if people don’t see value in their products. That clearly isn’t the case.
I switch between tent and hammock. I have a Tarptent DoubleRainbow Li for tent setup and I use an 11' Hammock Gear Wanderluxe for hammock camping. I am also a side sleeper and sleep better in my hammock than in my tent. You can side sleep in a hammock.
Thanks for the review. I was curious about these things. You had me (in a negative way) at "this thing weighs 8 lbs".
I have a Haven Safari and find it does everything I want and more. No sleeping in puddles you didn't know were going to flood your campground. Sets up in minutes if you have the whoopie slings all preset. I know it's heavy but I wanted a motorcycle/ebike friendly setup and this is it. to a T.
Looks like it would be good for car camping.
Son #2 loves his Haven. It comes with an insulated pad, tarp, straps (which need to be longer), and carabiners.
My Dutchware Banyon, Dutchware straps and bling, Nemo Tensor Insulated pad, and Hammock Gear Dynema tarp are lighter but significantly more expensive.
I plan on getting one after seeing them. I will use it motorcycle camping so weight is not a problem. Just looks like a all in one package easy to put up and take down. Plan to use it when Im on the move and want to pack up to get on the road faster. Also unlike a regular hammock I could use like a tent if trees are not around.
That's exactly what I bought mine for. The setup and teardown speed and simplicity is hard to beat (when packed correctly so the hammock is already connected to the rainfly and both carabiners at the top of the bag...simply attach the tree straps, hook each carabiner to a strap, put the spreader bars in, inflate the pad and your done unless you want/need to guy out the rainfly). It works great for motorcycle touring/camping, but I also use it in the backyard or even on day hikes as a place to eat and get some R&R. It is a fantastic product at a very reasonable price! I'm going to get the safari next for stargazing with my kids.
I'm a side sleeper too; I transition from my back to my sides and here's a hack to do this COMFORTABLY in a hammock. Take a couple of inflatable pillows and put them under the sleeping pad around your knee/thigh area. I also use a Hyke & Byke Antero hammock bag, which makes the whole experience pretty amazing. The pillows weigh nothing and make a hammock incredibly comfortable. I'd always found hammocks uncomfortable for side sleeping and they'd hyper-extend my knees until I did the pillow trick and that instantly transformed the experience from the worst to the absolute best. Give it a shot!
But how stable is that solution for someone who must move quickly from one side to the other to sleep well? Or someone who just moves wile sleeping alot in general?
@@HansenFT works fine for me; I sleep in multiple positions through the night.
That's just silly tho
@@Gutgulper Why? Much more comfortable than sleeping on a flat surface, far lighter, much more compact...
It's certainly not for everyone, but it might be just what a weekend kitchen sink short distance hiker might want.
My ul hiker friend poked fun at me because I just bought an 8 lb. hot tent/ titanium wood stove combination for winter camping/hiking.
It's not for long distance hiking.
I already own a DCF winter tarp with doors and a three season hammock and insulation package that weighs 4.5 lbs.
Different gear for different pursuits. I see lots of remote lake ice fishing in my future. 😊
I've had my Haven for 1 year and love it. My only upgrades were a set of Onewind adjustable Tree Straps and light weight Carabiners. Being a side sleeper, this is the only Hammock for me. As for weight, be sure to consider the need for an Under Quilt for a traditional Hammock.
Is it truly side sleepable? I too am a side sleeper and for that reason cannot do hammocks.
Nice to hear the other side of the argument. Most posts rave about this thing but I've not been convinced.
Your review confirmed most of my concerns and I appreciate your candid review.
Gotcha! Thanks for being honest!! ....... Trusted review. So tired of infomercials with RUclips injected commercials.
Anyone who lives somewhere with mosquitoes will not appreciate the fact that they didn't do double zippers on the mosquito net. There is only one zipper on either side of the nets so you have to open it all the way up. I spent the first night in mine last night, and I had to grab something off the ground underneath my hammock. I had to open half the bug screen up just to get to what I needed and I let in about 30 mosquitoes in the meantime. On any of my Hennessy style hammocks, they are double zippered which allows you to unzip a small portion to reach out and get anything off the ground or outside the hammock. Serious failure right off to get go. It seems like their only concern was the ability to remove the bug screen. Also, with a bit of movement flipping back and forth from your stomach or side, the bug screen zipper will start to work its way down opening a gap. Gnats, no-see ums, and mosquitoes became a problem from that as well. There is a good chance that my brand new hammock will be sold shortly. I waited a long time to buy one of these, very disappointing.
What you take for it i love mine
@@stevenrigsby4635 Glad to hear you love yours. Mine was returned for a full refund and an admission from their RMA department that there are problems with that zipper design. That's why they moved to the new design.
Had this hammock for a year, then switched to draumr amok which provides a lot more comfort and is also lighter. But then returned to a good ol gathered end, which I am using now, and which is lighter, warmer with a correct under quilt, and much less expensive. I am a side sleeper and sleep quite well in it.
Love the Haven. Your frame looks too small for the XL.
I'll buy it off you for a nice discount lol.
if you arent a hammock person and never been a fan of them i guess there was never going to be a different review.
You like to gamble, only reason I know. Have owned 2 Pop and Dump Haven XL hammocks. First one I bought, second was to replace the one that failed. It lasted 3 months, than I gave up. When you're sound asleep and roll over and hear the BIG POP, brace yourself, you'll be saying good morning mother earth. The POP is the spreader pole bursting thru those cheap pockets and ripping out the side of the hammock.
Thanks for making this video, it really helped me when I was deciding what hammock I wanted to get to replace my tent. I ultimately decided to go with the Amok Draumr that I highly recommend. I went with their 4 season setup but they also have ultralight version of their stuff. They also work with a lot of outdoor enthusiasts and RUclipsrs often so you might even get to try it out before spending money on it.
If you see this, get the Opeongo Aerial A1. It has a much stabler sleeping surface and a custom-made quilt option. It's also a pound or two lighter.
I roll with the warbonnet ridgerunner it tops out around 31 oz absolutely love it, also a side sleeper
Same, but it isn't a true lay flat option. But it works pretty well for me and has for many years. I have considered this hammock but can't justify the weight.
Well I bought the smaller one today. We will see how it does on an overnight hike or two.
That said so far I have not found anything you said to be false on any other gear I have purchased. I truly enjoy and appreciate your honesty.
And lol if you need to make the mattress feel like a car tire to get the support, Haven might want to rethink it.
the only place I've seen these is in those annoying auto-play ads on social media and anything I see on those ads I instinctively hate anyway. Glad to know this is as pointless as I assumed it was.
You should try an Amok. It's only 30 oz. and you can lay flat or on your side. I like using a hammock because it sets up quicker, its stays cleaner and dryer, and I don't have to deal with condensation.
I appreciate an honest review and not being beholden to the company. Too many "reviews" of products on YT are just commercials with talking heads. That being said I find it funny that the major complaint is the weight when that along with packed down size is what is actually drawing me to this solution over a swag. I am not a backpacker. I camp in an RTT in my Jeep or Sequoia but both those tents are 2 person and if I want to bring 2 of my kids it's too tight of a fit. So I need sleep accommodations for 1 additional person. This hammock tent is also more desirable because many of the places I do camp are not level or are rocky or wet so being up off the ground is a better option.
Getting a different RTT isn't an option because I haven't found a hardshell tent with as low a profile as my aluminum wedge tents that offers enough more space to make sleeping for 3 comfortable. And when it's the whole family of 5 I just bring the off-road teardrop.
Now I'm conflicted. At over 60, pack weight is definitely an issue. But because, the coastal BC mountains, offer very few flat and dry camp spots. I'm really hoping to find a hammock, that won't cramp my legs. Without adding, an extra kilo, or more, vs a tarp and a pad.
I highly recommend trying it. I really doubt you will regret the choice but even if you do, Derek is great about returns and responding to any questions or concerns.
I realize this video is a few years old, but some of the discussion here is still relevant, so I will comment. As a backpacker and hammock hanger, I never saw the benefit of the Haven, as it's bulkier and heavier than most hammock set-ups out there. I think it's great for car campers, and I have no doubt that it's very comfortable.
That being said, when someone who doesn't use hammocks says that hanging between trees is gimmicky, it's like a car driver claiming that riding a motorcycle is gimmicky. It's not, it's just a different way of doing things. Yes, both are vehicles that will get you from A to B, but the experience is completely different. I don't ride a motorcycle, and honestly I don't get the hype, but it would be condescending of me to say that motorcycles are gimmicky.
I'm not trying to convince anyone that hammocks are better. The hammock community is already big and robust enough that we don't need to win any more converts. On the contrary, in many areas and trails, suitable places for hammocks are limited, so the more people get into it, the more competition there will be for the best spots. So, in the grand scheme of things, when I hear a tent user say that he wants to stay on the ground, it actually suits me just fine. But there's no need to insult an entire community by saying that their hobby is gimmicky.
I hiked the entire At with the haven xl . I loved it. Pull your ridge line tighter. Duah tell me you don’t no how to run a haven without telling me that
You're off the mark . Far and away the comfiest sleep outdoors I've ever had. I spend on avg about 50 nights a year outdoors min, and since I've gotten the Haven I've never slept better.
You need to set it up right ( fully inflate the mattress for one thing) for it to be at it's best. And setup is faster and easier than you made it look. Takedown is even easier if you cared to investigate the ways Haven recommends to do it in their videos. Your head can be at either end, and you can get in and on either side so just put your head at the high end.
I'm 5'9, 170 and have hiked and portaged many miles in uneven terrain, lots of time just game trails or bush whacking, with the Haven as my main shelter and I've never noticed it's weight being noticeable. ( I will say the ground pad could be more compact but it's close to most manufacturers anyway)
Furthermore, when considering weight ( as it seems that's all that matters to you lately ) you must consider that the weight includes the insulated air pad you failed to inflate fully. So your full shelter And bottom insulation weighs about 6+lbs... that's not bad. My big Agnes Rapide SL isn't far off the weight of the Haven pad, yeah the Haven pad is heavier but not noticeably so in a backpack. And we All know "Ultralight = UltraFrail".
The Haven is bombproof, I've had both the regular and the XL is some pretty scary storms, very high winds and driving rain, small branches falling on it and have yet to have an issue.
Add to that the fact that it can be pitched easily on the ground too and it's the most versatile shelter on the market. Perfect if you actually like a real adventure in real wilderness where there's not a yellow brick trail to follow lol.
I know from experience the Haven is an ideal shelter for many situations. It saved my hammock hopes because, when blown up properly, it doesn't V or sag, it's truly lay-flat.
I know I'm biased towards the Haven because of my many great experiences with both the regular and the XL but it seems like you didn't want to like this system from the moment you failed to inflate the darn thing. 👎
I’m happy for the comments, I’m sure this guy is an honest man and just didn’t realize he filled it up too much
I'M 72, With knee and other problems, the Haven is an option and ifyou spend time to to get the hang right, I think it should work, I have had problems with the mat slipping , I will try some of that anti slip mesh that you put under mats etc to stop them slipping, also I believe there is an advantage .... ie get some mesh, put it on a cold surface , see the diferece
Buddy bought me one for Christmas. I am an avid long distance hiker. Waaaaay to heavy for backpacking. Will stick with my Hennessy hammock soooo much lighter. Probably try to sell it
I'm really glad I seen this video I was nearly going to buy this and its expensive so thanks for your real review atvb Jimmy from England 🇬🇧 😎😎👍👍
Wow. That was brutally honest. I take my hat off to you my friend ……. Thank you for your honesty. I’m sure a lot of people would have just said it was great if they were in your situation. That says a lot about you.I still plan on getting one. I like staying dry. Lol. And I am a side sleeper for the most part.
Very cool crossover, a hammock that can be used as a tent. Can also use that sleeping pad inside a regular tent.
Hey Steven! Funny how I hated all that hiking that hiking at blue haven and now backpacking is my main hobby! I thank you and Celeste for that! I'm now in minnesota and have about a third the superior hiking trail under my belt and about 100 miles of the ozark trail!
I didn't see you tuck the corners of the mattress into the pockets that hold it in, plus I don't think you inflated the pad enough to prevent sagging in the middle. It should bow up in the center when fully inflated FYI
He didn't even pull the straps taught enough.
I agree totally. I was disappointed with it. All points you made I would validate. Thanks for your honesty. James B.
I use a bridge hammock (REI Quarter Air, no longer available) which was much lighter and cheaper. I find it much more comfortable (and I am a committed side sleeper) than sleeping on the ground. Even with a 4-inch air mattress. The only time I can see myself ever sleeping on the ground is if I know there are no trees.
Of course the weight might be an issue for most people, for me personally, I wouldn't care. I never cared about weight.
But I wonder if the sleeping system could be a adjusted with a rope net under the mattress to avoid the sagging in the middle? I know you're "hung up" on the weight, but for me the sleeping experience and the easy set up of a hammock is worth it for me. I hate having to look for a good spot to put the camp down with a flat ground etc to sleep on. Especially when it's raining. I once woke up because water was running downhill right into my camp spot and everything got wet, and I thought I was in a good spot at first. It was one of my worst nights ever.
With a hammock you just hang it up, and you get better with time setting it up.
Some valid observations but as Derek from Haven pointed out; it works better if the pad is fully inflated. I have the Haven XL and I am also the new Australian Agent for the Helsdon Hammock.Both are excellent products but neither would be your first option for light weight sleeping/shelter choices. I prefer the sleep in the Helsdon and the general usability of the Haven which can be used in porch mode. The Haven has better internal storage pockets but the Helsdon has bigger storage areas at each end and underneath. The Haven comes with a nice mat but if it is punctured you're in trouble whereas the Helsdon lets me use a solid cell foam mat. My point is both have pros and cons but for me getting up off the ground is problematic due to age, cramping and so forth. A hammock is much more comfortable and the ground setup option good for emergencies. You are correct with your main point and that it isn't the best option for hiking any distance or duration. Did you send it back or pass it on to someone who will enjoy it?
I was looking at this specifically because I am a side sleeper and have never had a good nights sleep on the ground. What has been the most comfortable option for you?
You should really try a hammock, it's a game changer. I can't vouch for this particular hammock but you should try even a cheap one. They will let you finally get that sleep you really want.
Ya air pad has got to be really topped off on the xl. I got the xl and ended up getting the regular. But man oh man the regular is nice and doesn't bow. It's tight n the elbows but if your all about comfort and you are skinny get the regular haven. If you are a giant above 220lbs get the xl
I like mine it's like a bedroom in the air. You gotta blow that mattress all the way up, it makes it way more comfortable.