Its nice to see someone review it as its intended. I have seen sooooo many reviews that complain about the weight or complain about the mattress. 1st., it was never intended to be light or even a backpacking tent. Maybe for a very short hike. The owners of Haven Tents are motorcycle owners. So keep that in mind. As you can watch one of their videos about setting it up with no trees. On the Bonneville Salt Flats in Utah and notice the motorcycle next to it. We motorcyle adventure riders absolutely love it. And blow that mattress up to drum tightness. The mattress is a structure piece, inflate it as such. I am a small guy, but own the XL. Plenty of room.
i bought a haven, they have great customer service but it was one of my worst purchased camping gadgets.your results may vary. anyone who has slept on an air mattress knows that it loses at least some air pressure in the night, creating a V. this is compounded in a hammok and the shoulder squeeze you wake up to is equally compounded; at least in the wide model. on mine the build quality was not great with random droplets of glue on the fabric as well as missed/sloppy stitches sprinkled around more than i would have liked. i used the warranty on the mattress and poles upon arrival due to defects. your results may vary.
@boredbeingbored676 wow. Zero issues with mine. Have had it for years now. Same old version of the air mattress that everyone was complaining about before they came out with the new mattress that now no one complains about. Must pump it full of air. I wake up every time and mine is still very tight, very full. I will.make a video to prove it and post it on my channel. Have had too many that for some reason do not believe me. Zero issues, zero buile issues. Nothing but super comfy just as advertised. Nothing but dozens of people coming into my camp asking about it. My riding buddy bought the new version with the strap and the new mattress. He had one issue at first. But they replace the whole thing no questions asked. So he now has two for the price of one. And was only a tiny issue. Great customer service and great product that i have used hard for years now and will continue for years to come.
I love this video. The clear intention of the video, explained well in the beginning, along with the technical details and detailed explanation of the set-up make for great content. I have always been skeptical of hammocks, but this one has so many features that draw me in, especially the flatter bottom. Thanks for the work, it was well worth watching.
I have the xl, just got their true lay pad. Their customer service is on point. It’s the only way I truely like to sleep outside. Checks all my boxes easy to set up and fast and I can pee out of the side. I also don’t mind the weight, I typically use the topo lux xl pad and carbon fiber spreader bars. A comfortable sleep is important for me and I keep the rest of my gear light in order to compensate for the extra weight. It’s worth it in my opinion.
Looking forward to hearing your thoughts. We have a lot of people coming our way so they can keep camping or start camping again. Hope we can get you some zzzs!
68 here and have been rocking my Clark hammock for about 10 years. (and before that an Eno doublenest) Deciding to pull the plug and grab the Haven XL and looks like a good move so far.My back loves hammock sleeping so this will be a great addition to my camping kit.
i bought a haven, they have great customer service but it was one of my worst purchased camping gadgets.your results may vary. anyone who has slept on an air mattress knows that it loses at least some air pressure in the night, creating a V. this is compounded in a hammok and the shoulder squeeze you wake up to is equally compounded; at least in the wide model. on mine the build quality was not great with random droplets of glue on the fabric as well as missed/sloppy stitches sprinkled around more than i would have liked. i used the warranty on the mattress and poles upon arrival due to defects. honestly, the real killer is the sockets you put the poles in because they wore out within a dozen or so uses. your results may vary.
So my ideal set up with the Haven XL (newest version) primarily for car camping is as follows: AquaQuest 10’x13’ tarp, Hest Sleep System measuring 30”x78” along with their camp pillow a (slightly) modified Zen Bivy and I honestly don’t think I’ve ever been more comfortable or slept better on my solo trips. When backpacking I’ll still bring an AquaQuest tarp just a smaller version and the sleeping pad that comes with the Haven XL and can still say that I sleep so damn well with it all. It’s perfect
This was super helpful. I have been curious about this hammock, but hadn't seen a super in-depth review of it like this. You covered all the bases and answered all my questions, plus some I wouldn't have thought of. Thanks!
I use it on +20km hikes, don't understand the remarks over the weight: you have to compare it with a regular hammock + underquilt + tarp. And I believe that the amock draumr is even more heavier. But I don't use the haven tarp. I use a separate ridgeline and a dd hammocks tarp. Never a problem with condensation, not even in our rainy country Belgium. I love my Haven!
Very good review. I think this is perfect for weekend warrior comfort camping style. I would like to add that if compared to regular hammocks you have much more space. If you compare it to a tent then not so much.
I can see this being great for car camping or even backpacking at short distances. Also for people who toss and turn a lot in their sleep. For me, I get the best nights sleep in a gathered end hammock. And dialing it in to fit my needs is way more about my quilts and straps than the hammock itself. It takes a few tries, but imo it’s worth the effort. Overall. I’m glad this exists. It’s gonna be more comfortable than a tent and hopefully get more people interested in hammock camping. Thanks for the video!
Very good review (and thanks for not including any annoying music!) I just purchased the new XL version and so far like it a lot. At 5'10" 200 lbs it fits me perfectly, but i'm sure for a larger person it would be fine as well. The weight issue is not a big deal for me as I usually pack in 50-60 lbs anyhow. Looking forward to using this on a winter camp, perhaps I'll document that with a vid of my own. thank you.
I just took my Haven XL out on an overnight like you said. In all my pack was 40# +/- this included: Haven XL system, Zenbivy System, Billy pot with stove & fuel, military rain poncho, sweater, extra cordage, food, first aid, knife, saw, chair. It wasn’t horrible but yeah.. a mile into the hike I was wishing I had lighter equipment. My pack is 5# + 7# Haven +3# quilt + 5# chair and that 20# without water food and miscellaneous things. So the sleeping is awesome! I recommend a sheet around the pad because as you heard- it’s noisy. Just FYI the Zenbivy Flex 3D fits and works just fine, fully inflated that is. But then you just added 2#. I just can’t seem to get under 35#. I can’t even fathom what ultra light must be like!😂
I have the XL and have many nights in it. I do like it but I definitely want to try the newer lay-flat pad as the original XL gives a fair bit of shoulder squeeze. It lays really flat head to toe though, but side-to side curving is a thing with these for sure. Also, your use of the bivy makes a huge difference to cold weather comfort. I have a zero degree sleeping bag and at even 20 degrees you will get a cold back/butt. I have tried adding an underquilt I have from a Warbonnet hammock and that helps a lot, but it’s adds more weight and hassle with setup. Recently bought a -30 bag that I intend to try when the weather is colder again, but that too adds a fair bit of weight. Just something for potential buyers to consider.
i bought a haven, they have great customer service but it was one of my worst purchased camping gadgets.your results may vary. anyone who has slept on an air mattress knows that it loses at least some air pressure in the night, creating a V. this is compounded in a hammok and the shoulder squeeze you wake up to is equally compounded; at least in the wide model. on mine the build quality was not great with random droplets of glue on the fabric as well as missed/sloppy stitches sprinkled around more than i would have liked. i used the warranty on the mattress and poles upon arrival due to defects. honestly, the real killer is the sockets you put the poles in because they wore out within a dozen or so uses. your results may vary. also had the cold butt
Great video! The reason the Haven is so comfortable is that it actually isn't a completely flat lay, which is to the advantage of back sleepers. Look at 14:00: Your hips sink down and your feet are naturally elevated. An at-home mattress with foam or springs allows similar positioning of your spine. There's no good way to mimic that with an inflatable pad on the ground because you're "pushing on a balloon". When you relieve pressure in one area, the pressure migrates to another. That's why a lot of back sleepers are more comfortable in hammocks than on the ground. Now, if only the Haven was lighter. I'll be interested to see if you have any more thoughts on it after spending more nights in it.
Thanks! Yeah, I sort of mention that about how the pad feels. I don't normally like horizontal baffle pads, but because this pad isn't pressed into the ground, I don't feel it the same way, and it's honestly really comfy. I'll absolutely have more to share after I get more nights in it this spring and summer!
Thanks for a great look into this product. I’m looking to get into hammock camping but I am a side sleeper. I don’t hike much but do kayak camping so weight is not a big issue
I can't sleep in a regular hammock. I don't car camp enough to make this worth the investment, but I hope I find a used one someday. Thanks for the review!
The xl and standard are so heavy. I like my Hennessy hammocks just fine at half the weight. And they lay flat also. If they were half the weight I would consider one.
Because of a sports hip injury I had to give up hammocks. I even tried bridge hammocks. This may be the answer. Assuming my X-Mid and mat is about 3 pounds this does come in heavier but may be worth it.
It looks like it may have its niche. My experience I would pass on the suspension because there are some huge trees in Pacific NW and because tree spacing not always ideal. 2 climbing rings (aluminum) per side (used like a buckle and attached to hammock) and generous amount of standard one inch wide webbing (14 feet per side) works great on my Dream hammock. (1.68 lbs for xl dream Hammock with zippered bug net and standard polyester 1 inch webbing 28 feet and 2 titanium dutchware clips on webbing) In a pinch it looks like that Haven could be used on the ground which could be nice in a pinch. It’s true hammocks take a bit to adjust too. My ideal set up is to bring a tent and a hammock. I can use the rain fly on my two person Mt HW tent to go over the hammock. My hammock can also substitute for a chair. I find there are circumstances where you wish you had the other when you just bring one. Last note. When weather is cold and windy and wet there is nothing quite like an insulated hammock sock to make the experience more enjoyable.
Prob mentioned this in your other vid but the future of shelters will be based off of a similar design as this. The option to either hang or go to ground (which this can do) while still being UL is what every manufacturer should be thinking of. I’m a side/stomach sleeper as well so a flat lay is crucial. They need to figure out how to make a bridge hammock with your trekking poles. Making it UL is the next critical piece. There are a lot of great features with this but the weight makes it like the Trek Chair, amazing innovation, no one buys it b/c of the weight. ‘Bridge’ that gap and you have the next stage of backpacking evolution.
Great points here, Dave! I’m sure at some point Derek works on something that reduces the weight substantially to appeal to the folks who are more concerned about weight. I do think it’s important to remember that the UL market is just a tiny slice of the pie of the outdoor/camping/hunting industry. A huge group of users that buy gear like this more out of function than based on weight. Canvas tents are mega popular, and a good example of function over weight.
@@BackcountryExposure great call outs. For car camping or anything other than backpacking I'd agree. I would argue for backpacking most are concerned with weight. Might not be UL category but weight savings nonetheless. Comfort is king and something we come back to add weight back for. But this is still too far over for backpacking anything more than the few miles you mentioned. I look forward to his lighter weight options 👍
Oh Devin, how I wish I could show you how to set up and use a gathered end hammock correctly so you could enjoy it and get good sleep. The Haven is a great car camping product, but there is no way anyone would backpack with it at that weight. If you are interested in exploring other styles of hammocks (like a bridge style), I'd recommend the Warbonnet Ridgerunner, Dutchware Banyan, or Townsend Bridge. Also may want to look at the Amok Draumr, which is a 90-degree style hammock.
Thanks! I don't know what else I could be doing to make it work for me. I've had several different hammock options. Dream Hammock, Superior, Hammock Gear, etc and not great in any of them. Have spent time with friends who are big hammock people and helped me "dial it in" and still wasn't great. I don't know. Just don't think it's for me. I was at an event in Michigan in February and I actually met Bill (Townsend) and chatted for a bit with him. About pulled the trigger on a Happy Medium from him, but decided to wait.
Is it versatile enough to be used as a ground tent with your trekking poles and a few stakes/guy lines? The only reason I could think of to schlep around a 7 lb shelter is on those trips where sometimes there are trees and little flat space and sometimes there is flat space but no trees, so that it could serve as a tent or hammock as needed. Otherwise, I can get everything I need from a hammock with much less weight.
Anyone have any experience with setting up Tent vs Hammock in a rain storm? Seems like the Hammock is a rain catcher. Also suggestions on what’s happening with your backpack in the hammock
i bought a haven, they have great customer service but it was one of my worst purchased camping gadgets.your results may vary. anyone who has slept on an air mattress knows that it loses at least some air pressure in the night, creating a V. this is compounded in a hammok and the shoulder squeeze you wake up to is equally compounded; at least in the wide model. on mine the build quality was not great with random droplets of glue on the fabric as well as missed/sloppy stitches sprinkled around more than i would have liked. i used the warranty on the mattress and poles upon arrival due to defects. honestly, the real killer is the sockets you put the poles in because they wore out within a dozen or so uses. your results may vary.
Hammock rainfly is ridiculously undersized which leads to condensation.i used my cubes fiber rainfly from my gathered end hammock. This allows a larger degree of hammock coverage and better air circulation. Otherwise a comfortable hammock. Also, ignore these instructions and pitch your rainfly first and get out of the weather, then pitch your hammock in the dry and out of the weather.
A great example of why one should take ‘expert’ advice with a grain of salt. Those who know and know how, will continue to happily use gathered end hammocks for a superior sleep. A chacun son goût.😊
Hammock are not for everyone I spent probably 10 nights in my hammock before I actually liked it. But I was convinced not needing a air pad and a more storm worthy shelter was a must. Hammocks are far superior to a tent in storms.
I kind of see this as a hanging cot that has the option to go to the ground rather than a hammock. Looks alright, but it would probably be my very last option for a hammock-like setup. I'm absolutely fine in a gathered end hammock, but I'd go with a wider hammock, bridge hammock, or Amok before trying the Haven.
One thing I love about bridge hammocks is that you get the best mix of 'flat' and 'cradled.' I feel like you're losing the hammock feel when you need to use an airmatt for structure, I wanna feel 'cocooned.' Also how will this hold up in wind and rain? Is the mattress really going to be as warm as say an underquilt in cold weather? It'd be sweet if you did more hammock reviews especially bridge ones RUclipsrs tend to avoid them. Check out the Warbonnet Ridgerunner!
I personally don't love the cocooned feeling. It's pretty confining for me, but that doesn't mean it's bad. The night that I've spent in the Haven had an overnight low of 13ºF. I was on the premium insulated pad and had the pad cover on as well. I was toasty warm and never felt cold from underneath. Can't speak to the rain yet, but I know others who have it have had no issues of rain being a problem. Condensation could be something to have to manage a bit though.
Devon, are you familiar with the Amok draumr hammock? U are now Jon at Lost Lakes, loves em. Myself i love the warbonnet blackbird xlc. Not a big fan of tents but mostly because where i generally camp there are too many roots. Plus, you could hang the 45 on the Ridgeline for quik draw.
I’m familiar with it to a minimum. But a lot of folks have commented today mentioning it. Gonna take a closer look. And I don’t have a 45… 9 however. 😜
@@BackcountryExposure the 9mm isn't gonna drop a bear maybe an irate through hiker named Kyle. He's looking for more creepy tales from trail for his surging youtube channel. Rumor has it he's Dan Beckers son.
What is better with this, compared to Amok, is it's not a hammock, it's a tent. Which means you're covered from rain and downfall without needing a tarp. I'd go for the Amok. It does not feel like a compromise, because you can get the tarp that is made for it, and you have tons of comfort added because of the way it's set up to be used. That is actually like heaven.
I didn’t like the haven. Didnt like the way it moved. I found the airmat had to be blown up so hard to work it was uncomfortable. Also when that airpad fails, which it will do at some point, you're stuffed. It doesn’t work without the airmat. Still its an interesting design.
@BackcountryExposure yeah, you definitely should. It's awkward to get in and out of at first but I have used both the haven and the amok and would say the amok is even more comfortable. If you get used to getting in and out of it, it's a no Brainer. Not to mention it converts into this dream like zero gravity chair. The head and foot end have ratchet straps so you can fine tune how flat you want the butt end or the head end to be. Kind of like having an adjustable bed that raises up and down. Ha! It's also around 2 ish lbs.
Get the system under 4 pounds minus pad I would consider it for backpacking. Possible Upgrades: - Trekking Poles as Spreader Bars - Hummingbird Tree Straps 1.55oz - Nemo Tensor Long Wide 23oz - Borah Gear 7x9 Poly Tarp 9.6oz - Haven UL Carabiners
I think that is part of the appeal for the Haven is it does allow for changes to be made to make it more your own. I tried putting my XTherm NXT Max 25"x77" in this Haven and it was weird. It didn't lay properly and wasn't even close to as comfortable.
@@BackcountryExposure I am tempted to buy it no pad, no fly, and use the upgrades I listed but the Paria Recharge XL rather than Tensor as a budget option.
Interesting concept but I don't think it's for me. Like the before-mentioned the weight is the main downside. I could see it definitely for a one nighter and a short distance backpacking trip.
This isn’t a hammock… nor is it backpacking friendly. Condensation builds up so fast in it… had one and got rid of it. If you want to try a real lay flat backpacking hammock get your hands on an Amok Draumr.
@@BackcountryExposure you’re right I’m just salty about my experience 😂. It’s such a great price point to for an all in one system and the design is great with a few flaws. Not to mention they do a GREAT job marketing. But highly recommend trying out an amok if you can get your hands on one.
Many people out there give reviews . But they don't go into much depth in the products . This on the other hand is very thorough. I for one can't sleep on my back . For me it's either side or stomach. But I'm interested in trying out a hammock. But I would need a wider hammok and would rather have a separate rain fly and pad. But I appreciate you taking so much time to show us all of the pros and cons. I'm sure the people that sent you this would agree.
I have both the Haven XL and the Amok Draumr XL. Both excellent options for getting off the ground in the woods (although the Haven can also be a ground tent). Didn't have any issues with moisture, water, dew, or anything else in the Haven, and have had slept in it during a pretty strong storm.
@@BackcountryExposure agree. But if you go ultralight, it would be even 3 times lighter. My point is that it is quite a heavy set up for a solo hicking.
@@МихаилРусин-ы1о 2,8 is also not that heavy. People are to woried about Weight. If you are a larger human you can carry a lot of weight. Its ok if the hike gets a lot harder. For me its more about it being cozy.
@magnuscarlsenbutdumb I am personally not tall neither heavy, so for me it is much eazier to bring a tent like around 1 kilo with a Zenbivy bed, and this setup would be lighter (so easier to carry, at least for myself) and cozier to sleep.
@BackcountryExposure Getting off the ground and away from pressure points is going to sleep better for most. Many find that in regular gathered end hammocks, while some require more structures like this one. I fell into the former. I sleep better in a hammock than a bed, and there's no comparison to on the ground with a pad for me.
Its nice to see someone review it as its intended. I have seen sooooo many reviews that complain about the weight or complain about the mattress. 1st., it was never intended to be light or even a backpacking tent. Maybe for a very short hike. The owners of Haven Tents are motorcycle owners. So keep that in mind. As you can watch one of their videos about setting it up with no trees. On the Bonneville Salt Flats in Utah and notice the motorcycle next to it. We motorcyle adventure riders absolutely love it. And blow that mattress up to drum tightness. The mattress is a structure piece, inflate it as such. I am a small guy, but own the XL. Plenty of room.
Exactly! I take it in my Triumph 900 Rally Pro when motorcycle camping and LOVE it! 🏍️
i bought a haven, they have great customer service but it was one of my worst purchased camping gadgets.your results may vary. anyone who has slept on an air mattress knows that it loses at least some air pressure in the night, creating a V. this is compounded in a hammok and the shoulder squeeze you wake up to is equally compounded; at least in the wide model. on mine the build quality was not great with random droplets of glue on the fabric as well as missed/sloppy stitches sprinkled around more than i would have liked. i used the warranty on the mattress and poles upon arrival due to defects. your results may vary.
@boredbeingbored676 wow. Zero issues with mine. Have had it for years now. Same old version of the air mattress that everyone was complaining about before they came out with the new mattress that now no one complains about. Must pump it full of air. I wake up every time and mine is still very tight, very full. I will.make a video to prove it and post it on my channel. Have had too many that for some reason do not believe me. Zero issues, zero buile issues. Nothing but super comfy just as advertised. Nothing but dozens of people coming into my camp asking about it. My riding buddy bought the new version with the strap and the new mattress. He had one issue at first. But they replace the whole thing no questions asked. So he now has two for the price of one. And was only a tiny issue. Great customer service and great product that i have used hard for years now and will continue for years to come.
I appreciate your video very much!
Your presentation was thorough & to the point. Thank you!
I love this video. The clear intention of the video, explained well in the beginning, along with the technical details and detailed explanation of the set-up make for great content. I have always been skeptical of hammocks, but this one has so many features that draw me in, especially the flatter bottom. Thanks for the work, it was well worth watching.
I have the xl, just got their true lay pad. Their customer service is on point. It’s the only way I truely like to sleep outside. Checks all my boxes easy to set up and fast and I can pee out of the side. I also don’t mind the weight, I typically use the topo lux xl pad and carbon fiber spreader bars. A comfortable sleep is important for me and I keep the rest of my gear light in order to compensate for the extra weight. It’s worth it in my opinion.
Great review and much appreciated.
Been sleeping in a banana hammock for 20+ years and at 63 i can't take it no more.
Haven XL is my next shelter.
63 here also and hammocked camped for years ---- this Haven is way interesting!
Looking forward to hearing your thoughts. We have a lot of people coming our way so they can keep camping or start camping again. Hope we can get you some zzzs!
68 here and have been rocking my Clark hammock for about 10 years. (and before that an Eno doublenest) Deciding to pull the plug and grab the Haven XL and looks like a good move so far.My back loves hammock sleeping so this will be a great addition to my camping kit.
i bought a haven, they have great customer service but it was one of my worst purchased camping gadgets.your results may vary. anyone who has slept on an air mattress knows that it loses at least some air pressure in the night, creating a V. this is compounded in a hammok and the shoulder squeeze you wake up to is equally compounded; at least in the wide model. on mine the build quality was not great with random droplets of glue on the fabric as well as missed/sloppy stitches sprinkled around more than i would have liked. i used the warranty on the mattress and poles upon arrival due to defects. honestly, the real killer is the sockets you put the poles in because they wore out within a dozen or so uses. your results may vary.
Definitely the most comprehendable and complete review of this hammock system. Thank you
So my ideal set up with the Haven XL (newest version) primarily for car camping is as follows:
AquaQuest 10’x13’ tarp, Hest Sleep System measuring 30”x78” along with their camp pillow a (slightly) modified Zen Bivy and I honestly don’t think I’ve ever been more comfortable or slept better on my solo trips.
When backpacking I’ll still bring an AquaQuest tarp just a smaller version and the sleeping pad that comes with the Haven XL and can still say that I sleep so damn well with it all. It’s perfect
Single best overview video out there. Thanks for taking the time to review every detail. So helpful.
😊thanks for such a fun and rad product!
This was super helpful. I have been curious about this hammock, but hadn't seen a super in-depth review of it like this. You covered all the bases and answered all my questions, plus some I wouldn't have thought of. Thanks!
I use it on +20km hikes, don't understand the remarks over the weight: you have to compare it with a regular hammock + underquilt + tarp. And I believe that the amock draumr is even more heavier.
But I don't use the haven tarp. I use a separate ridgeline and a dd hammocks tarp. Never a problem with condensation, not even in our rainy country Belgium. I love my Haven!
greetings fellow belgian
Very good review. I think this is perfect for weekend warrior comfort camping style. I would like to add that if compared to regular hammocks you have much more space. If you compare it to a tent then not so much.
I can see this being great for car camping or even backpacking at short distances. Also for people who toss and turn a lot in their sleep.
For me, I get the best nights sleep in a gathered end hammock. And dialing it in to fit my needs is way more about my quilts and straps than the hammock itself. It takes a few tries, but imo it’s worth the effort.
Overall. I’m glad this exists. It’s gonna be more comfortable than a tent and hopefully get more people interested in hammock camping.
Thanks for the video!
Very good review (and thanks for not including any annoying music!) I just purchased the new XL version and so far like it a lot. At 5'10" 200 lbs it fits me perfectly, but i'm sure for a larger person it would be fine as well. The weight issue is not a big deal for me as I usually pack in 50-60 lbs anyhow. Looking forward to using this on a winter camp, perhaps I'll document that with a vid of my own. thank you.
I just took my Haven XL out on an overnight like you said. In all my pack was 40# +/- this included: Haven XL system, Zenbivy System, Billy pot with stove & fuel, military rain poncho, sweater, extra cordage, food, first aid, knife, saw, chair.
It wasn’t horrible but yeah.. a mile into the hike I was wishing I had lighter equipment. My pack is 5# + 7# Haven +3# quilt + 5# chair and that 20# without water food and miscellaneous things. So the sleeping is awesome! I recommend a sheet around the pad because as you heard- it’s noisy. Just FYI the Zenbivy Flex 3D fits and works just fine, fully inflated that is. But then you just added 2#. I just can’t seem to get under 35#. I can’t even fathom what ultra light must be like!😂
This has recently come on to my radar. Thanks for posting. I am very interested in this.
You should look up and try the Anok line of hamocks
I have the XL and have many nights in it. I do like it but I definitely want to try the newer lay-flat pad as the original XL gives a fair bit of shoulder squeeze. It lays really flat head to toe though, but side-to side curving is a thing with these for sure. Also, your use of the bivy makes a huge difference to cold weather comfort. I have a zero degree sleeping bag and at even 20 degrees you will get a cold back/butt. I have tried adding an underquilt I have from a Warbonnet hammock and that helps a lot, but it’s adds more weight and hassle with setup. Recently bought a -30 bag that I intend to try when the weather is colder again, but that too adds a fair bit of weight. Just something for potential buyers to consider.
i bought a haven, they have great customer service but it was one of my worst purchased camping gadgets.your results may vary. anyone who has slept on an air mattress knows that it loses at least some air pressure in the night, creating a V. this is compounded in a hammok and the shoulder squeeze you wake up to is equally compounded; at least in the wide model. on mine the build quality was not great with random droplets of glue on the fabric as well as missed/sloppy stitches sprinkled around more than i would have liked. i used the warranty on the mattress and poles upon arrival due to defects. honestly, the real killer is the sockets you put the poles in because they wore out within a dozen or so uses. your results may vary.
also had the cold butt
Love these. We have 3 of them. I think you need the XL version.
I’d love to try an XL. I have laid in one, but not slept in one yet.
Great video! The reason the Haven is so comfortable is that it actually isn't a completely flat lay, which is to the advantage of back sleepers. Look at 14:00: Your hips sink down and your feet are naturally elevated. An at-home mattress with foam or springs allows similar positioning of your spine. There's no good way to mimic that with an inflatable pad on the ground because you're "pushing on a balloon". When you relieve pressure in one area, the pressure migrates to another. That's why a lot of back sleepers are more comfortable in hammocks than on the ground. Now, if only the Haven was lighter. I'll be interested to see if you have any more thoughts on it after spending more nights in it.
Thanks! Yeah, I sort of mention that about how the pad feels. I don't normally like horizontal baffle pads, but because this pad isn't pressed into the ground, I don't feel it the same way, and it's honestly really comfy.
I'll absolutely have more to share after I get more nights in it this spring and summer!
Thanks for a great look into this product. I’m looking to get into hammock camping but I am a side sleeper. I don’t hike much but do kayak camping so weight is not a big issue
amazing video, you just totally sold me on this!
The amok draumr 5.0 is another really amazing lay flat hammock option. I like it more than the Haven personally but that is just me
I can't sleep in a regular hammock. I don't car camp enough to make this worth the investment, but I hope I find a used one someday. Thanks for the review!
The xl and standard are so heavy. I like my Hennessy hammocks just fine at half the weight. And they lay flat also. If they were half the weight I would consider one.
Being military I am used to humping a full combat load, so the hammocks weight isn’t a problem for me in a back pack
Because of a sports hip injury I had to give up hammocks. I even tried bridge hammocks. This may be the answer. Assuming my X-Mid and mat is about 3 pounds this does come in heavier but may be worth it.
3:56 is that a hole at the seams?
No it’s just the light. Totally all in tact.
It looks like it may have its niche. My experience I would pass on the suspension because there are some huge trees in Pacific NW and because tree spacing not always ideal. 2 climbing rings (aluminum) per side (used like a buckle and attached to hammock) and generous amount of standard one inch wide webbing (14 feet per side) works great on my Dream hammock. (1.68 lbs for xl dream Hammock with zippered bug net and standard polyester 1 inch webbing 28 feet and 2 titanium dutchware clips on webbing)
In a pinch it looks like that Haven could be used on the ground which could be nice in a pinch.
It’s true hammocks take a bit to adjust too. My ideal set up is to bring a tent and a hammock. I can use the rain fly on my two person Mt HW tent to go over the hammock. My hammock can also substitute for a chair.
I find there are circumstances where you wish you had the other when you just bring one.
Last note. When weather is cold and windy and wet there is nothing quite like an insulated hammock sock to make the experience more enjoyable.
3:45 can one use a trekking poles for this? is there enough room for the trekking pole handle in the fixing pocket?
The pocket is not big enough to fit a trekking pole handle.
This looks like it would be pretty fun for kids!
Prob mentioned this in your other vid but the future of shelters will be based off of a similar design as this. The option to either hang or go to ground (which this can do) while still being UL is what every manufacturer should be thinking of. I’m a side/stomach sleeper as well so a flat lay is crucial. They need to figure out how to make a bridge hammock with your trekking poles. Making it UL is the next critical piece. There are a lot of great features with this but the weight makes it like the Trek Chair, amazing innovation, no one buys it b/c of the weight. ‘Bridge’ that gap and you have the next stage of backpacking evolution.
Great points here, Dave! I’m sure at some point Derek works on something that reduces the weight substantially to appeal to the folks who are more concerned about weight.
I do think it’s important to remember that the UL market is just a tiny slice of the pie of the outdoor/camping/hunting industry. A huge group of users that buy gear like this more out of function than based on weight. Canvas tents are mega popular, and a good example of function over weight.
@@BackcountryExposure great call outs. For car camping or anything other than backpacking I'd agree. I would argue for backpacking most are concerned with weight. Might not be UL category but weight savings nonetheless. Comfort is king and something we come back to add weight back for. But this is still too far over for backpacking anything more than the few miles you mentioned. I look forward to his lighter weight options 👍
I know you probably have a video about it already, but what sunglasses are you wearing? Looking for a new pair
They are Columbia frames with prescription lenses. Happened to just get them through my eye doctor.
Oh Devin, how I wish I could show you how to set up and use a gathered end hammock correctly so you could enjoy it and get good sleep.
The Haven is a great car camping product, but there is no way anyone would backpack with it at that weight. If you are interested in exploring other styles of hammocks (like a bridge style), I'd recommend the Warbonnet Ridgerunner, Dutchware Banyan, or Townsend Bridge. Also may want to look at the Amok Draumr, which is a 90-degree style hammock.
Thanks! I don't know what else I could be doing to make it work for me. I've had several different hammock options. Dream Hammock, Superior, Hammock Gear, etc and not great in any of them. Have spent time with friends who are big hammock people and helped me "dial it in" and still wasn't great. I don't know. Just don't think it's for me.
I was at an event in Michigan in February and I actually met Bill (Townsend) and chatted for a bit with him. About pulled the trigger on a Happy Medium from him, but decided to wait.
How well does it do as a tent?
Lovly be safe brother ❤
Are you using the new "true level" pad? or det standard?
This tent that I’ve got is the standard size haven, so a standard pad.
I put a therma rest in my hammock it makes it better
I tried that. And it was pretty wonky in how it laid. Wasn’t a fan.
@ max inflation proper width . Works for me .
Where do you store your gear? Just under the hammock?
Under the hammock, or inside. Hang your pack from the ridge line, etc.
Is it versatile enough to be used as a ground tent with your trekking poles and a few stakes/guy lines? The only reason I could think of to schlep around a 7 lb shelter is on those trips where sometimes there are trees and little flat space and sometimes there is flat space but no trees, so that it could serve as a tent or hammock as needed. Otherwise, I can get everything I need from a hammock with much less weight.
Anyone have any experience with setting up Tent vs Hammock in a rain storm? Seems like the Hammock is a rain catcher. Also suggestions on what’s happening with your backpack in the hammock
Where do you keep your backpack when sleeping in a hammock?
With this product, you can hang it from the ridge line at your feet, or hang it from the tree straps, or put it under the hammock. :)
That is REALLY heavy? My full hammock setup with sleeping bag is 1,5kg. My full tent setup including pad and sleeping bag is 2kg.
Right on! If weight is your main priority then it’s probably not the right option.
i bought a haven, they have great customer service but it was one of my worst purchased camping gadgets.your results may vary. anyone who has slept on an air mattress knows that it loses at least some air pressure in the night, creating a V. this is compounded in a hammok and the shoulder squeeze you wake up to is equally compounded; at least in the wide model. on mine the build quality was not great with random droplets of glue on the fabric as well as missed/sloppy stitches sprinkled around more than i would have liked. i used the warranty on the mattress and poles upon arrival due to defects. honestly, the real killer is the sockets you put the poles in because they wore out within a dozen or so uses. your results may vary.
Hammock rainfly is ridiculously undersized which leads to condensation.i used my cubes fiber rainfly from my gathered end hammock. This allows a larger degree of hammock coverage and better air circulation. Otherwise a comfortable hammock. Also, ignore these instructions and pitch your rainfly first and get out of the weather, then pitch your hammock in the dry and out of the weather.
A great example of why one should take ‘expert’ advice with a grain of salt. Those who know and know how, will continue to happily use gathered end hammocks for a superior sleep. A chacun son goût.😊
It's nice however to have options. 😁
And even those "in the know" and know how, sometimes just don't like a thing....
Hammock are not for everyone I spent probably 10 nights in my hammock before I actually liked it. But I was convinced not needing a air pad and a more storm worthy shelter was a must. Hammocks are far superior to a tent in storms.
I kind of see this as a hanging cot that has the option to go to the ground rather than a hammock. Looks alright, but it would probably be my very last option for a hammock-like setup. I'm absolutely fine in a gathered end hammock, but I'd go with a wider hammock, bridge hammock, or Amok before trying the Haven.
Burrito for bears?
One thing I love about bridge hammocks is that you get the best mix of 'flat' and 'cradled.' I feel like you're losing the hammock feel when you need to use an airmatt for structure, I wanna feel 'cocooned.' Also how will this hold up in wind and rain? Is the mattress really going to be as warm as say an underquilt in cold weather? It'd be sweet if you did more hammock reviews especially bridge ones RUclipsrs tend to avoid them. Check out the Warbonnet Ridgerunner!
I personally don't love the cocooned feeling. It's pretty confining for me, but that doesn't mean it's bad.
The night that I've spent in the Haven had an overnight low of 13ºF. I was on the premium insulated pad and had the pad cover on as well. I was toasty warm and never felt cold from underneath. Can't speak to the rain yet, but I know others who have it have had no issues of rain being a problem. Condensation could be something to have to manage a bit though.
Just looking for something off ground and comfortable for sleeping. Weight doesn't matter as things are packed on the motorcycle.
Is there a blooper reel of you flipping out of the hammock?
Ha ha! I wish!
Devon, are you familiar with the Amok draumr hammock? U are now Jon at Lost Lakes, loves em. Myself i love the warbonnet blackbird xlc. Not a big fan of tents but mostly because where i generally camp there are too many roots. Plus, you could hang the 45 on the Ridgeline for quik draw.
I’m familiar with it to a minimum. But a lot of folks have commented today mentioning it. Gonna take a closer look.
And I don’t have a 45… 9 however. 😜
@@BackcountryExposure the 9mm isn't gonna drop a bear maybe an irate through hiker named Kyle. He's looking for more creepy tales from trail for his surging youtube channel. Rumor has it he's Dan Beckers son.
What is better with this, compared to Amok, is it's not a hammock, it's a tent. Which means you're covered from rain and downfall without needing a tarp. I'd go for the Amok. It does not feel like a compromise, because you can get the tarp that is made for it, and you have tons of comfort added because of the way it's set up to be used. That is actually like heaven.
I didn’t like the haven. Didnt like the way it moved. I found the airmat had to be blown up so hard to work it was uncomfortable. Also when that airpad fails, which it will do at some point, you're stuffed. It doesn’t work without the airmat. Still its an interesting design.
It's a stand and stuff bear taco 🌮🤣
The weight is a deal breaker for me. A lighter version with just as good (I would say even better) of comfort is the amok draumr ultralight
I’ve seen the Amok suggested many times. Might have to figure out a way to try one just for the comparison.
@BackcountryExposure yeah, you definitely should. It's awkward to get in and out of at first but I have used both the haven and the amok and would say the amok is even more comfortable. If you get used to getting in and out of it, it's a no Brainer. Not to mention it converts into this dream like zero gravity chair. The head and foot end have ratchet straps so you can fine tune how flat you want the butt end or the head end to be. Kind of like having an adjustable bed that raises up and down. Ha! It's also around 2 ish lbs.
Get the system under 4 pounds minus pad I would consider it for backpacking.
Possible Upgrades:
- Trekking Poles as Spreader Bars
- Hummingbird Tree Straps 1.55oz
- Nemo Tensor Long Wide 23oz
- Borah Gear 7x9 Poly Tarp 9.6oz
- Haven UL Carabiners
I think that is part of the appeal for the Haven is it does allow for changes to be made to make it more your own.
I tried putting my XTherm NXT Max 25"x77" in this Haven and it was weird. It didn't lay properly and wasn't even close to as comfortable.
@@BackcountryExposure I am tempted to buy it no pad, no fly, and use the upgrades I listed but the Paria Recharge XL rather than Tensor as a budget option.
I love my nightcat lay flat and it’s cheaper than the Haven.
I love hammocks. These things look cool, but my god are they heavy. I'd like to get my hands on one though
I just like the idea of setting up a base camp with it and spending more time in camp than it being part of a pack to cover a lot of miles.
@@BackcountryExposure I like how it can be set up like a hammock or a tent. That is really cool
Amok Draumer is your solution
There's a theme in the comments today about that hammock. :)
Interesting concept but I don't think it's for me. Like the before-mentioned the weight is the main downside. I could see it definitely for a one nighter and a short distance backpacking trip.
Yeah, I'll be using it for sure on some backpacking trips this year, but camping as well from the car.
It looks like your head is below your feet???
Great video, but I'll stick with my grand trunk nano at 7 ounces with a lighter tarp at 10 ounces
At 7 lbs, no thanks. I have had some of the best sleep of my life in my gathered end hammocks !
Nice! In some ways I’m rubbing the velvet the wrong way here. 😂 I have yet to have a great night of sleep in a gathered end hammock.
@@BackcountryExposure Hammocks are definitely not for everyone man !
7lbs??? That’s a deal breaker for me.
I had one and I returned it. I rather use my Amok or my warbonnet ridgerunner
This isn’t a hammock… nor is it backpacking friendly. Condensation builds up so fast in it… had one and got rid of it. If you want to try a real lay flat backpacking hammock get your hands on an Amok Draumr.
I mean, by definition it is a hammock, but I hear your point. I think it’s all about perspective and personal goals of how you get outside.
@@BackcountryExposure you’re right I’m just salty about my experience 😂. It’s such a great price point to for an all in one system and the design is great with a few flaws. Not to mention they do a GREAT job marketing. But highly recommend trying out an amok if you can get your hands on one.
Many people out there give reviews . But they don't go into much depth in the products . This on the other hand is very thorough. I for one can't sleep on my back . For me it's either side or stomach. But I'm interested in trying out a hammock. But I would need a wider hammok and would rather have a separate rain fly and pad. But I appreciate you taking so much time to show us all of the pros and cons. I'm sure the people that sent you this would agree.
I have both the Haven XL and the Amok Draumr XL. Both excellent options for getting off the ground in the woods (although the Haven can also be a ground tent).
Didn't have any issues with moisture, water, dew, or anything else in the Haven, and have had slept in it during a pretty strong storm.
I hated the Amok Dramur. I had a leaky air mattress It sucked a lot. Was never comfortable.
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There’s some horrid reviews of this item regarding it ripping easy and also very poor after sales customer services.
2,8 kilo for a hammock? A regular tent would be two times lighter at least.
🤷🏻♂️ depends on the tent.
@@BackcountryExposure agree. But if you go ultralight, it would be even 3 times lighter. My point is that it is quite a heavy set up for a solo hicking.
@@BackcountryExposure maybe it is more useful for car camping, dunno
@@МихаилРусин-ы1о 2,8 is also not that heavy. People are to woried about Weight. If you are a larger human you can carry a lot of weight. Its ok if the hike gets a lot harder. For me its more about it being cozy.
@magnuscarlsenbutdumb I am personally not tall neither heavy, so for me it is much eazier to bring a tent like around 1 kilo with a Zenbivy bed, and this setup would be lighter (so easier to carry, at least for myself) and cozier to sleep.
It's a hammock for people that don't like hammocks.
@@wisenber and it’s amazing!
@BackcountryExposure Getting off the ground and away from pressure points is going to sleep better for most.
Many find that in regular gathered end hammocks, while some require more structures like this one.
I fell into the former. I sleep better in a hammock than a bed, and there's no comparison to on the ground with a pad for me.
Garbage
I never tried a hammock. I was always afraid of a bear mistaking me as a food bag lol 😂
More like a swinging burrito!