I would like a test of dynamic and pull break strength of different tie-in knots like figure 8 vs bowline variations (Yosemite Bowline, Lee’s Locked Bowline, End-Bound Single Bowline and Scott’s locked Bowline). Pretty please😃
Hi Ryan. Great videos...would be great to see a tutorial that includes the whole set up (anchors, weblocks and main webbing and backup on both sides) Would that be possible? Thanks dude!
I have several rigging examples so you can see real life situations. They generally focus on one side of the highline since that is where I am filming from. I can consider putting together a more comprehensive episode and just rig it in the park which is easy enough to explain if I'm not hanging off a cliff edge haha. Thanks for the idea.
I think it should have been noted that when using a BFK for redundancy it will be very difficult to have it equalize perfectly in the perfect direction just like when using it as your main. With whoopie slings i would think you could tighten them up much more equally in whatever direction your line ends up going.
landon breen we did a video on equalization is a myth recently and it is super interesting. Sliding X is almost never equalized and BFK is like rolling the dice if it is equalized. Whoopie risk putting all the force on 1 bolt since they dont stretch at all if too tight before you tension. There is no such thing as perfect...BUT... after our dyno tests on highlines and never reaching more than 6kn at worse case and even the shittiest anchor point can hold that including cams by a large margin... then it is super good enough if you make an effort to equalize as best as you can. If one doesn't have whoopies... then a bfk is the best option to prevent extension.
Awesome, thanks for the reply! You should make more vids of you guys trying to establish new lines start to finish! Its therapeutic and beneficial to hear about all the little reasonings that come into play when deciding where to anchor! Cheers!
landon breen I'm glad you like those rigging examples. No one has really left feedback like that. We will be doing a few new lines this year and I will for sure be filming them. And some of them get real big :).
Thanks for the great video. It helped me to understand what I've seen done in the wild. One question - Everything in this video shows the importance of making all your connections redundant, but it looks like the system is all connecting to one shackle between the sliding x, and the web lock. How would you make the shackle connection redundant?
funnyjuggler The redundancy will come from having 2 shackles and 2 weblocks. You dont really connect the same weblock 2 different ways but you can and should tie off the tails to something else and that also adds redundancy. Good question!
A little off-topic, but how bad would it be to use a retired climbing rope (possibly doubled up) in place of a round sling as tree anchor for longlining in the park? Sure it's dynamic but I think it should be plenty strong enough...any good reason not to?
you can probably do that. I'd just put a small backup just in case something goes wrong and the rope rips (pretty impossible) so the line won't shoot back at you.)
30 to 35 feet is perfect for almost every bolted anchor... and even rigging all natural anchors requiring wraps (but you need like 4 of those size ropes for each side in that case)
Wow, this video audio is harsh! I haven't seen this one in a while haha. The 8mm rope I use is an extreme canyoneering rope with a dyneema core (amsteel stuff) and technora sheath (a cousin of vectran) and it is rated for 24kn. It also isn't cheap :). You can find shorter lengths but this is essentially what it is www.bluewaterropes.com/product/8mm-canyon-extreme/ If you rig a highline like normal it will have about 1kn. If you whip hard on a low stretch line that is short you can get up to 5kn. A 3 bolt sliding X with your rope gives you roughly 45kn+ of strength (will be testing this soon!). So it is super good enough but if you come across the extreme stuff for a good price grab some.
Question about redundancy. If you do a sliding X and then add whoopies, you end up with the possible situation that if one anchor blows, the sliding X no longer takes any weight and the whoopies now take all the tension. Like you mentioned, it is hard to equalise perfectly, so the chances of one whoopie carrying the entire load becomes quite high. It doesn't sound like a good kind of redundancy. I think I prefer the idea of a BFK. OR There is a lot of talk about using cloves hitches when building climbing anchors and testing shows really good results in case of failure, have you tried/considered this? example: ruclips.net/video/1UyInC0SkGo/видео.html
If something blows, its never ideal. 1 bolt is a 5:1 safety minimum and a whoopie also. So if one did hold all, not a big big deal but not ideal... get it? I bfk almost everything now because its just so bomber even if it is hard to equalize. It isolates everything so well. If i need real equalization i will do a cascading anchor with climbing slings (usually doubled up) and whoopie these. I just make sure whoopies are hand tight evenly across and no verticle anchors. If it is all A-framed up on a bag or something that keeps anchor from moving, then it isnt going to shift forces so much that 1 whoopie holds all. Being aware of this makes you a good rigger, but at some point micro compromises are made for real life scenarios. Its all overbuilt so its super good enough however you decide to do it. Cheers!
Clever and good video. Not sure how it would look with 3 or 4 bolt anchors and you can't add clove hitches near bolts if you thread the rope through rather than using a quicklink. I might start doing this for my climbing though and I wrote a note to do this on break test machine.
True. I misspoke but at the same time 1 strand loses 50% strength and if i use my 6mm quicklinks with 8mm static, the bend radius is unfavorable so lose some there, temps, opinions, and the stars not lining up make it a fair 4x strength :). I am going to actually do break test in the next 3 months to see how much strength we do get with them sliding Xs.
I know nothing about high lining.. except what I’ve learned from you tube ! I believe it’s impossible to be a duche bag and a high liner.. so if your a duche that’s why you shouldn’t high line !
I would love for you to see what I've been working on as far as a self-rescue system initiated for everything that has anything to do with rope and height LOL
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ummm sorry but you tied your double/triple/quadruple fishermans knot incorrectly! You tied both stopper knots in the same direction. Spin the 2nd knot the opposite direction "around your fingers" - then you will see how nicely they slide together. I would also add that the figure-8 is actually slightly stronger than the fishmans know (weakens the rope less).
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I would like a test of dynamic and pull break strength of different tie-in knots like figure 8 vs bowline variations (Yosemite Bowline, Lee’s Locked Bowline, End-Bound Single Bowline and Scott’s locked Bowline). Pretty please😃
Hi Ryan. Great videos...would be great to see a tutorial that includes the whole set up (anchors, weblocks and main webbing and backup on both sides) Would that be possible? Thanks dude!
I have several rigging examples so you can see real life situations. They generally focus on one side of the highline since that is where I am filming from. I can consider putting together a more comprehensive episode and just rig it in the park which is easy enough to explain if I'm not hanging off a cliff edge haha. Thanks for the idea.
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NA knots are truly intressting :D. Always extra stupidicity and safety proofen.
I think it should have been noted that when using a BFK for redundancy it will be very difficult to have it equalize perfectly in the perfect direction just like when using it as your main. With whoopie slings i would think you could tighten them up much more equally in whatever direction your line ends up going.
maybe a bfk would be a better idea if you where anchoring to a group of trees??
landon breen we did a video on equalization is a myth recently and it is super interesting. Sliding X is almost never equalized and BFK is like rolling the dice if it is equalized. Whoopie risk putting all the force on 1 bolt since they dont stretch at all if too tight before you tension. There is no such thing as perfect...BUT... after our dyno tests on highlines and never reaching more than 6kn at worse case and even the shittiest anchor point can hold that including cams by a large margin... then it is super good enough if you make an effort to equalize as best as you can. If one doesn't have whoopies... then a bfk is the best option to prevent extension.
Awesome, thanks for the reply! You should make more vids of you guys trying to establish new lines start to finish! Its therapeutic and beneficial to hear about all the little reasonings that come into play when deciding where to anchor! Cheers!
landon breen I'm glad you like those rigging examples. No one has really left feedback like that. We will be doing a few new lines this year and I will for sure be filming them. And some of them get real big :).
Great video Ryan.
Thanks for the great video. It helped me to understand what I've seen done in the wild. One question - Everything in this video shows the importance of making all your connections redundant, but it looks like the system is all connecting to one shackle between the sliding x, and the web lock. How would you make the shackle connection redundant?
funnyjuggler The redundancy will come from having 2 shackles and 2 weblocks. You dont really connect the same weblock 2 different ways but you can and should tie off the tails to something else and that also adds redundancy. Good question!
A little off-topic, but how bad would it be to use a retired climbing rope (possibly doubled up) in place of a round sling as tree anchor for longlining in the park? Sure it's dynamic but I think it should be plenty strong enough...any good reason not to?
you can probably do that. I'd just put a small backup just in case something goes wrong and the rope rips (pretty impossible) so the line won't shoot back at you.)
6:45 ... w...what is that in the background?
Highlighner: I'm gonna girth hitch my whoopies.
Normal person: Eh... Wha?
What static rope length would you recommend for an average anchor?
30 to 35 feet is perfect for almost every bolted anchor... and even rigging all natural anchors requiring wraps (but you need like 4 of those size ropes for each side in that case)
HowNOTtoHIGHLINE hey thanks for the info and the awesome videos!
Hi was wondering i have 8mm sterling accessory cord rated at 15 kn. Is this the same as static rope? and some of our highlines we use 3 bolt sliding x
Wow, this video audio is harsh! I haven't seen this one in a while haha. The 8mm rope I use is an extreme canyoneering rope with a dyneema core (amsteel stuff) and technora sheath (a cousin of vectran) and it is rated for 24kn. It also isn't cheap :). You can find shorter lengths but this is essentially what it is www.bluewaterropes.com/product/8mm-canyon-extreme/ If you rig a highline like normal it will have about 1kn. If you whip hard on a low stretch line that is short you can get up to 5kn. A 3 bolt sliding X with your rope gives you roughly 45kn+ of strength (will be testing this soon!). So it is super good enough but if you come across the extreme stuff for a good price grab some.
Thank you!
really nice, thanks!
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Question about redundancy. If you do a sliding X and then add whoopies, you end up with the possible situation that if one anchor blows, the sliding X no longer takes any weight and the whoopies now take all the tension. Like you mentioned, it is hard to equalise perfectly, so the chances of one whoopie carrying the entire load becomes quite high. It doesn't sound like a good kind of redundancy. I think I prefer the idea of a BFK.
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There is a lot of talk about using cloves hitches when building climbing anchors and testing shows really good results in case of failure, have you tried/considered this? example: ruclips.net/video/1UyInC0SkGo/видео.html
If something blows, its never ideal. 1 bolt is a 5:1 safety minimum and a whoopie also. So if one did hold all, not a big big deal but not ideal... get it? I bfk almost everything now because its just so bomber even if it is hard to equalize. It isolates everything so well. If i need real equalization i will do a cascading anchor with climbing slings (usually doubled up) and whoopie these. I just make sure whoopies are hand tight evenly across and no verticle anchors. If it is all A-framed up on a bag or something that keeps anchor from moving, then it isnt going to shift forces so much that 1 whoopie holds all. Being aware of this makes you a good rigger, but at some point micro compromises are made for real life scenarios. Its all overbuilt so its super good enough however you decide to do it. Cheers!
@@HowNOT2 Thanks for the explanation. Any thoughts on the clove hitches?
Clever and good video. Not sure how it would look with 3 or 4 bolt anchors and you can't add clove hitches near bolts if you thread the rope through rather than using a quicklink. I might start doing this for my climbing though and I wrote a note to do this on break test machine.
1:14 theoretically 8x strength ;) (each leg is two strands remember)
True. I misspoke but at the same time 1 strand loses 50% strength and if i use my 6mm quicklinks with 8mm static, the bend radius is unfavorable so lose some there, temps, opinions, and the stars not lining up make it a fair 4x strength :). I am going to actually do break test in the next 3 months to see how much strength we do get with them sliding Xs.
What was your result?
I know nothing about high lining.. except what I’ve learned from you tube ! I believe it’s impossible to be a duche bag and a high liner.. so if your a duche that’s why you shouldn’t high line !
I would love for you to see what I've been working on as far as a self-rescue system initiated for everything that has anything to do with rope and height LOL
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ummm sorry but you tied your double/triple/quadruple fishermans knot incorrectly! You tied both stopper knots in the same direction. Spin the 2nd knot the opposite direction "around your fingers" - then you will see how nicely they slide together. I would also add that the figure-8 is actually slightly stronger than the fishmans know (weakens the rope less).
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