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The joke is people thought Blizzard would actually do anything about griefers. Like bots, they’ll only ban often enough to make it SLIGHTLY inconvenient for the griefers.
My thoughts exactly. Unfortunately griefing is just "part of the game" whether players/blizzard likes it or not. A huge part of playing a hardcore game mode is game knowledge and I would argue that not accepting summons from randoms on a HC can fall into that category. Similar things happen in other games, for example in runescape people will give / drop teleports to the deep wilderness (an area where PVP is allowed) and wait for unsuspecting people to use them not knowing where they go and kill them.
They've actually banned alot of griefers and there's clips of in game GM's stepping in to act on occasion. Trust me I'm as surprised as anyone this is happening. If I had to guess the very small team they put on HC patrol are actually passionate about the game, and the top guys don't actually care what they do, so they're free to act so to speak.
Also, haven't seen many bots at all, I know there are some out there but I haven't seen the effect of them yet
@@nickh4354 botters are making a living of bots..."I haven't seen the effect of them yet" you fall in that hole too? you just send a "trust me bro" when the game is fuc*** up with bots
@@desert123100 just because people do it doesn't mean it should be allowed or ignored, they should get banned plain n simple. Griefing adds nothing of value to anyone, people only do it because they wanna be assholes n feel like they're good at the game when really they're dog shit. Most other companies would get rid of them, but blizzard and their hands off approach causes even more people to do this since they know they won't get punished.
Just explain to me right.. I am a noob in wow. But why is griefing banable? In grind desert online we had this 24/7 but this created ingame political agreements among guilds.
Is this just on hardcore though? i could slightly get it why a ban is necessary in some situations.
Don't group with rogues
Don't accept summons
No caves
The rules are getting funnier
Don't play because of server lag
No yellow/red mobs
Dont group with hunters
No afking unless you're in an Inn or capital
Concentrate using elevators
Not surprised by this at all. Summoning people off the edge of cliffs or into dangerous situations used to be an everyday occurrence back when I played. You couldn't trust anyone then, so I damn sure wouldn't trust anyone on a hardcore server.
Yeah I've been griefed before too. You'd like to think they wouldn't do it a hardcore character but here we are. Kinda makes me appreciate my friends a little more. It sucks you can't trust more but that's the world.
yeah the other method that used to be very common was the summon them deep underwater and watch them drown
Judgement day🗿
@@TurboV8boiI'd expect it more honestly. It's more rewarding to the griefer since it's a permadeath instead of an inconvenience.
even more when these ppl aint really playin hardcore and everyone goes for himselfe lets be honest^^ kinda sad but i expected it worse and erlier^^
I work with 13/14 yr olds for a living and I gotta say this - Asmon is spot on with this. Not everyone has a reason for being a shitty person. Sometimes they just are a shitty person. Their parents can be involved in their life, do everything right, and the kid can still just turn out to be a shitty person. Most times, yeah there's a reason, but not 100% of the time.
Recent tv shows and modern WoW have made people think that everyone thinks the same 'cept with issues.
When in reality, some's brains are just wired differently
Some get through absolutely no dopamine at all in life until they're fucking someone over
That's just how it is, psychopaths and sociopaths _are_ real. It's a thing.
Some only feel alive when they watch the world burn and nearly getting caught doing it.
I agree, some people just get born shitty. There's certain traits we get born with (which we can tone down/improve along the way) and some people either don't care or just get joy out of being a shitty person. There's plenty of kids that come from good families, had a lot of love, had everything they could ask for and they're still pieces of shit. And also kids that come from bad families full of abuse/drugs/violence that turn out to be very important members of our society, that are great people and are overall okay (besides the trauma).
When I was 13-16 I was too intense and edgy and jealous af to see players with good gears especially hardcore servers, it gives me immense satisfaction to see hours and hours grind go to waste going looting them getting them
Been years since then but hey I have mellowed out overall somewhat decent now but overall most young teens are like that
He didn't say born shitty, he said turn out to be@@spookyclaws5350
I got in a argument with people about this. Research shows that parents have a more limited influence on kids then what people think. During certain periods their peers have more of an influence
The idea that assholes are assholes just because of a tragic backstory is so stupid.
Pshhh! That was my first group invite in Wow. Warlock invited and summoned me to the bottom of the ocean. They all had water breathing of course and watched me drown in the pile of other corpses. While I was swimming up I saw many bodies where they tried but failed. I joined them. To this day I laugh at that terrible experience.
That’s amazing 😂 I’m undead so it would’ve been hilarious
@@WanderingWendigo Only funny because it is comedy done proper. It isn't that damaging like Hardcore Mode
Alchemy best profession after all. Imagine their faces if you would have popped a breathing potion
@@NPC-bs3pm no it wuz funny because it kills people, it’s even funnier I have a natural resistance to dying like this.
because I have already. I don’t need no air like a feminist don’t need no man 🤣😅
@@TTAgostinosimagine the look on your face if you hadnt enough mats to make it
This happened with Diablo 2 all the time. Town portals full with mobs on the other end, you die before map loaded. Also hydra sorc spawns hydras, after they enter the portal, go hostile--which makes your portal disappear
Diablo 1 town portal into a room full of Fire Walls, then move the portal and close the door. I found it hilarious as a 12-13yo. I wouldn't do it now because I understand its wasting people's time, and that wasn't even permanent death.
Those were the times. Sadly not many people had the opportunity to try it out.
@@cecilofsI think for me personally it's just that it's wasting my time equally.
Same thing was in Diablo 3
Joining random groups for T16-Rifts and when you teleported to the guy that is already downstairs -> You're basically unable to move at all because he has an immortal-build and the whole map stacked on top of him. -> Death
classic. Or, "IceRelatedName has joined game"
me: aight ima head out
"Video games have a pure, unfiltered, unrestricted, and unfettered window into the dark soul of people, and i think it's fucking disgusting, and isn't it great!"
-Asmongold
I know of three guys that spend nearly every Saturday killing people like this in WotLK at the sewer entrance to Dalaran. You'd think everyone on the server would've learned by now but they've been at it for months and get dozens of victims a day. Even on non-HC servers this is very common.
That seems like a major waste of THEIR OWN time (and so the schadenfreude is well earned). It's totally different for Hardcore mode.
a fun time isnt wasted time :)@@NPC-bs3pm
You're right. It makes it funnier.
"Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn". - Alfred
D2 hardcore taught me not to trust strangers and portals.
Amen brother :D
Yea I agree with Asmon. The griefers in their minds are just memeing for lols and attention. I dont think they're these disturbed individuals that want to take vengeance on humanity.
Plain simple edgy teenagers.
i agree, but these individuals also lack empathy
@@Vexreal_ These people very well could be the best person you would ever met. Because in the end,its a videogame. Its funny to them that you die,but you cant give it a real life parallel like that. Its a tipical " its not that deep bro" situation. They should be banned tho,obviously it is griefing,and it clearly shows that they dont give a fuck about the game,they probably very well know that they will be banned. Its insane to me how can people pull psychological evaluation for some stupid video.
If i play with my friends,we sometimes teabag eachother or shoot eachother, but we would never hurt eachother in real life. Who cares if my friend fucks up my setup in a game and laughs his ass off ?
@@norbertcsaszar4746 "These people could be the best person you would ever meet" except they're not. It's not like a harmless joke, they intentionally killed characters that had dozens/hundreads of hours behind them just for 3 seconds of pleasure. Those are not good people. They're not murderers either, they're just unwanted social rejects that won't do much besides play videogames in their mom's basements until their moms die or they die of diabetes. Good people don't get pleasure out of being dicks.
This is called schadenfreude - the pleasure you get out of watching other people struggle, watching people be miserable, mad, angry, upset, etc. It's a behavior that's linked with sociopaths, psychopaths and narcissists - all disorders that make you lack empathy more or less.
Nobody does stuff without getting some kind of reward out of this. You can't say these guys just randomly did this but they don't necessarily enjoy watching other's misery. They do this because they LOVE misery, they love ruining other people's day. What you said has no basis "they could be the best people" and Hitler could also be the best person. It's a hypothesis that has no grounds, just your own personal opinion. A murderer can also be the best person you've ever met. Yes I know these examples are extreme, but I use them so you understand that what you said is stupid.
Nobody that loves to watch other people struggle - see schadenfreude again - could ever possibly be a good person. They couldn't be good people, because statistics and in depth studies about the phenomen shows they are not good people at all.
There's a HUGE difference between causing someone you know some slight inconvenience (as you said, teabagging each other, doing some silly pranks, things we ALL do), and going out of your way to ruin other people's hundreads of hours of progress. You shooting your friend doesn't lose them 200 hours, it just gets them mad for 10 seconds, and you don't spend an hour of your time to make the perfect plan, then spend countless hours to test it, before shooting your friend.
I need you to realize this guy spent HOURS to find the perfect spot, advertize his portals, and find victims. It wasn't just a 2 seconds decision like you shooting your friend. He spent HOURS to cause STRANGERS misery.
Never met a Russian gamer who wasn't a disturbed individual that wants to take vengeance on humanity.
Imagine summoning into a lava. The invincibility suggestion would be useless for the most part upon action or movement taken especially if the user panic for spell cast. I say it should persist even if the user performs hearth action or require use to click accept to acknowledge removing invincibility
You can negate lava with petri though.
Give an option to click again and return you to your original summon location
Just download the lava timer, puts a bar up that tells you exactly when you need to press the space bar to jump to avoid lava dmg
Judgment day🗿
No slow fall or Immunity after portal, because that could be abused. Instead, allow a third option "View Portal" where a ghost of your character goes through the portal for 10 seconds, to see what would happen if you actually committed
This reminds me the Symetra teleport in OW, some players would place it in front of a cliff, as long as you get in and stop walking you won't fall, but no one do that, specially Reinharts charging into it
Yeah that was mainly for laughs and just funny, sometimes in some maps peoole dont know and the team just walks off the map, again it's not their fault but the fault of blizzard... why is there no fail safe to prevent such things from happening?
If I were Blizzard I would have added a bounce back skill to the teleport, something that can solve the problem and be fun:
When the player exits the teleport he/she will have a 1.5 seconds countdown, during this moment the player will be able to press F again to teleport back, even if he/she moved away from teleport platform.
Players with good reflexes or aware will still have a chance to save themselves from falling pressing F in time.
Newbies or noobs will still fall.
Also it could save the arse of anyone who teleports into a compromised position (let's say, with an enemy Tracer waiting to ult whoever comes out)
Imagine being summoned to your judgement day.
I say it again. WoW HC is like walking through a Park full of mines. Its piss easy but you can die any second
Walking ain't easy for most of WoW playerbase tho
WoW is like sitting on the special ED bus
We are talking about a game that has an unconnected bridge that clips and holes in staircases. My rogue died at level 22 in the amber mill rogue quest house getting stuck in the stair case it’s funny how un difficult the game is but still it gets you with sooooo many gotchas.
Who knew the badly coded game kills you with bad code
I know WoW isnt designed for HC and that casualness was the whole point of wow... but i still really like it. It's nice to know that we can just transfer to era and still play. HC Players are a glutton for punishment.
Casualness was the point of wow? 😳😳😳
@@CustardCream33 Yes. The entire reason WoW exists is the devs wanted a game that was easier than Everquest.
@@XenoSpyro No, that was not the entire reason, but I love the statement as if it's fact.
@@Halikarz31 You're free to list off other reasons.
@@XenoSpyro $$$
It's crazy how different peoples' mindsets are. I never had an edgy teenage troll phase, but I had buddies who would scam and hack people in games. I hacked a low-level once to take his money, and I feel guilty about it to this day. I just inherently prefer helping someone over griefing them, and cannot imagine getting enjoyment from tormenting someone.
Oh God, this reminds me of Diablo 2, my first online game - and a game that seems to have been made to make people lose faith in humankind. There was literally everything in this game: PKers, scammers, hackers, flamers and so on.
Sometimes I wonder whether games like that are actually doing society a favor by drawing antisocial people in who then won't pull their shenanigans in real life.
Typically miserable people. Misery loves company.
Hacking/scamming and griefing is a whole different thing though.
From my experience, it's the same tool. you need stimulation from one side of the hammer and they get theirs from the other.
In the end it's all just about what stimulation peeks us and controls us.
@@csk3578 i feel like it's totally the same just different way
In Turtle WoW fall damage is capped at a max of 10% of your HP for HC characters. I think it's a bit lenient but at least it elimates deaths due to fall BS like this.
On lvl 45 you can get potions that stop fall damage at least. I got 2 on me on my 47 warrior.
This is an horrible idea , you can exploit the sh*t out of it
Who could've guessed the WoW community would do something like this.
Like its not the same everywhere else?
yeah but this is wow, some people act like wow community is better then others but they are 100% not@@Endslikecrazy
@@kappocano theyre not, theyre also not worse.
pretty much what i sad@@Endslikecrazy
that's why Turtle WoW is awesome, cause griefers actually get fucking banned there
It's a hardcore game mode with other players. You are expected to die and get griefed like literally every other online game. It's just a game, anyone complaining about losing pixels doesn't actually like hardcore modes.
Lesson learned. It's like every other online MMO players says, the game taught them how to not get scammed.
To be honest im more surprised people didn't expect this to happen. Or that this wasnt prevented and patched out by the devs. It's obvious people will do stuff like this to anyone who played any online game for more than a week, in case of some games probably even less.
Man I enjoyed this talk. I think what you were looking for is “scapegoat” at 29 mins approx. Seems to be a thing in humanity. Keep up the great work man
This is too funny lmfao... "you're either up here, or down there" haha
I disagree with Xaryu about the people doing this being hurt inside or whatever. People will just do this for fun lmao.
If you get summoned... You should opt into stepping out of a protected bubble on arrival. But you can make no actions that affect the world outside of the bubble until you commit to exiting.
You could just have it so a player gets summoned to the EXACT spot of the person casting the summon rather than to where the portal itself is positioned
As someone shared his experience in comments, you can summon people under water while having spells to breathe yourself
@@weirdmeat5271 and? You get like a minute of breath...hearthstone is 10 seconds....there's also not many places that you can't directly swim up and make it to the top within the breath timer, only way that gets you is if you have a dogshit pc that takes a week to load you in or you have fkin grandad reaction speeds and stand there for 30 second's thinking tf is going on...any normal gamer would immediately realise what's going on and start swimming or hearth
lol, you get summons bc hearth is on cd and you dont have enough time to get to the surface when this happens dude@@troyg1337
Hi, as someone who matured/evolved (44 now) from exactly the 'fake empathy' perspective you describe, I'd like to put some extra things in perspective. Sure at first glance you are right, in my twenties/thirties I also was not able to understand the profile of griefers or people acting bad in general. But that's not because my empathy was fake. It was because I wasn't able to use my empathy because reality didn't map my world view. I was projecting my world view onto others in terms of expectations (in my case because of the way I was brought up) because if I wouldn't have then I also wouldn't have been able to explore and discover in depth my own empathy, or at least not in the way I did.
Sometimes you have to go down the rabbit hole to discover personal boundaries, collide with it and only then become more detached and re-apply your talents and instincts differently .. more broadly. People project because uncounsiously they need to justify their way of looking at the world until they reach the point they can do without. Or not reach it and stay in it equally fine.. it depends on what they experience in life and it is what makes us human.. there is no such thing as 'perfect position' .. and yes this is exactly why bad stuff happens without any cause and why letting go of the need for causality is what makes us more free and allows us to deal better with traumatizing experiences for example.
The point I'm making is it doesn't have to be fake empathy. It just empathy that's not evolved or matured enough yet to see the bigger picture so that - ironically - it can be applied onto such situations more succesfully. Empathy is not black or white. Like one could argument you are empathic towards griefers even though it's rationalized it still allows you to not judge them (which is a core part of being empathic). So you saying it's fake empathy might just be an equally intuïtive instinctive projection of your world view as it was for the empath not being able to understand griefers. It's just about initial reactions that trigger us but might mature later.
All of this is pretty unconcious stuff and usually drives a lot of the good & bad stuff that happens to us. Ranging from great marriages to horrible depressions. My current view on it is: important moments fly by every now and then and it's just about being allowed or able to grab the opportunity to evolve on it.
Anyways I want to end with saying I usually like how outspoken you are and often I feel you hit the nail on the head but on this one: I felt I had to say this. Take care :)
Hey Asmon. I've heard a few bits of info from some random players. Allegedly, there is a Chinese clan called some kind of Mafia that farms Black Lotus and will mass report anyone trying to farm them. Would it be possible to look into this subject more?
Sadly blizzard won’t help at all, the mass report function was put in so that blizzard can do even less. It used to be, you report, or a bunch would report something, they the GM would unknowingly spectate to verify the allegations
China locus gold farmers are everywhere in Wow classic. Sad that blizzard didnt do anything about it.
Too many Chinese players to handle.@@larrydestiny2184
Eve Online also has a grace timer with gateway TPs, you are invisible and immortal for up to 60 sec after tp or until you start moving.
I've been under the impression that Eve Online is ripe with scammers though. And the developers are allowing it and not punishing the scammers because it doesn't violate any game mechanics.
That makes sense. I lost more than one ship tping into a new zone only to be met by a dozen or so ships instakilling me. It was one of the reasons I left the game. Combat is fine, but built in grieving mechanics should not be a part of any game.
That's true, the game has a lot of scammers. Devs aren't stopping it because they consider it a part of the game. Average player is like 35 years old, they should either know better or learn the hard way.@@mellowstrangler
30 minute video on this, the content drought is hitting hard
These people are just pvping on a whole different level.
I did that in tbc, with 2 friends and I was a warlock and I summoned random people from stormwind underwater xD Except there was no permadeath
the permadeath makes it funnier
If someone was late to an MC raid I’d always make sure to summon then into the lava by the bridge before Magmadar, never got old
Don’t accept random summons lmfao christ the ZG buff aint worth it. Cant wait to spend 30 minutes getting back to my questing zone to use my buff!
Playing wow < keeping up with every piece of drama
I remember playing Tibia on late 90s and there is a lot of griefers, they make floor traps, luring traps, summoning traps, many players enjoy make other people suffer, on Diablo 3 there one guy who kill alots of hardcore players.
You legend. Yeah HC wow is getting close to Tibia 7.0-8.0. The pain is real and players are getting innovated. I love it!
wish we just had Asmon reacting to the deaths not to this dudes reaction to the deaths.
I did this back in tbc off the top of Shat. That was the only time I ever met a blue robe.
Whoever it is, I don’t think they really care about getting banned. They probably had enough of the damn game…
Why doesn't Blizzard just adjust fall damage so that it can't kill you if you are HC? That is what Turtle Wow does to avoid this issue or dying in the under city elevator.
All of blizzard understands wow less than the turtle wow team
@@skippyzk Agreed. "You think you do, but you don't" says it all....
It is funny
IMO Classic wow should be 1 life per week. Your character does allow you to respawn, but only when the servers reset raids each week. So you can revive your character once per week, which isn't full hardcore, but it's still very punishing when you die.
Wow it's almost like a an almost 2 decade old game wasn't designed to be played this way
After losing 2 characters to server disconnects and then another to griefers. I'm done with hardcore as support is not helping with this issue.
I've never played wow before, but feel like I played it for years and know more than the average player by watching asmon's input on every situation this game has been.
i member the PK videos back in D3, i couldn't get enough of them
Everquest was the most lethal game I ever played lol
EverQuest 2 for me. I was just minding my own business, doing some gathering, killing some mobs. Suddenly I die. Then I see a whole fucking raid group run by. I was 20 levels away from max level, they were all max levels. I lost gear, money and experience. When you died in EQ2(don't remember how it was in EQ1) you risk loosing gear that isn't bound. And a certain % of money in your inventory, hence you bank your cash all the time.
PvP servers in EQ2 was a nightmare on the receiving end. You had whole raids running around hunting solo players.
Didn't get past level 28 on EverQuest. Got into it too late, didn't have the money for any expansion packs. And the grindfest was real. CAMP CHECK! Remember farming and buying up spider silk in the Dark Elf starting area and selling it to someone I got to know, who had the right expansion pack and so had access to the moon. It was quite profitable for us both.
Eve Online for me. I’ll never forget the day I finally got a decent (not the best) mining ship. I went to a more outer area (not too outer). My god, I was bribed fucked and killed within minutes. I stared in shock.
would be x1000 funnier if those naked elves were dressed in black tuxedos
I wonder what would happen if you place red ants and black ants into an enclosed environment? I bet they would be friends
The red ants will always kill the black ants 100%
The only time I used strangers services was a portal from SW to Darn, because I didn't want to do Wetlands mountain jump or run through orcs. After that, I'd rather hs to IF and fly to Booty Bay, than use a summon. Sometimes it's just good to have a little brake.
Don't blame the player, don't even blame the game. Blame the Blood God and his Chaos Imps! HA!
I remember in Maraudon when you jump down the waterfalls I'd give characters water walking on my shaman... insta death with lots of question marks.. that was BACK in vanilla.. I wonder if this is still around
As a warlock main in vanilla and BC, I used to do this to my guildmates while headed to a raid, for shits and giggles. Our warlocks in the guild ended up finding locations in most zones to instakill summon. Unless they have made major changes to the game since then for the new vanilla, those likely exist. I recommend never taking a summon from someone you dont know well.
And even if you do know them there's no guarantees lol. I think people might just stop accepting summons all together, it's not worth risking your character. This clip will most definitely empower other wow trolls to do it too and it's gonna be more common.
atleast it wasent HC lol
There's a spot in the video where you can see the Warlock is named Elluj in the guild .
The joke is people paying $15 per months to play a 20 years old game on official servers when they could play it for free on priv servers with actual admins to prevent this sort of stuff
Empathy's only value is in reciprocity, spend a month with someone who has none and try to tell me otherwise.
Best part of their deaths is that they paid for it with gold LMAO
"Its like you throw a pig in shit its not gonna complain" 23:15 is such a great analogy for these people who are shameless.
Oh wow… people grief in Hc? That’s so weird… could have never seen that one coming.
If it isn't that creative and with much effort I find it not amusing.
Hitch a ride in a car with a stranger enough times and you're bound to meet a serial killer.
It would be funny af if the mafia was called judgement day.
Lmao
Judgement day was for a perverted bunch of redditing cheaters, not for legit players
😂😂😂😂
it's a game. there is zero moral component to "griefing" in a game.
Even though it is fucked, this is sort of part of the overall charm of an mmo world. There's gotta be the bad guys, along with the good.
Right? People are heated now, but they'll look back at this after a time, and laugh
@@Icebreeze899😂😂😂😂😂
They're never going to laugh
😅😅😅
A little bit of trolling is essential to a positive online gaming experience. Though probably not in hardcore lmao but then hey, you take the risk for playing hardcore.
There's no "charm" in people being assholes.
seriously. anybody defending this type of behaviour is miserable
This is so good, what? This kind of grief is what i used to do to my lil bro and cousins on the ps2 when we used to splitsceen
This is the best way to play hc classic. Classic andies deserve this for requiring specific comps to play 20 year old content that can be completed with autoclickers.
Way to embrace your mental instability
@@Halikarz31 He's speaking the truth. If you're mad that they're doing this and having fun at your expense, then what are you going to do about it instead of just bitching and moaning? That's right, nothing and neither will Blizzard. They're the winners here, you're just coping.
@@cellwithinacell What's that I hear? More crying?
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The fact is it is HARDCORE so you clicking a rnadom summon when you arent 100% sure whats going on the other end is just ON YOU at that point...
They are selling the summons. Is like i go in the supermarket and go to the paying point and instead of receiving the stuff that i buy, i get a bullet in my head
Trading with someone you don't trust is good way to get scammed.
It's a valuable lesson to learn
@@coldij1903 You clearly went to the wrong supermarket.
@@ligmaphotons how would you even recognize in real life a scammer? Based on what? His clothes? His vocabulary? Your instinct? Is good to never trust anybody i agree, but what is the limit of that? Until becoming a sociopath that will eventualy think that everyone will harm you. This things just happen. It’s random
@@wewuzkangz2505 but a man gotta take the risk
almost like SSF was the better option all along.
The only thing worse than trolls is people psycho-analyzing trolls.
It’s like during the outbreak of the plaque in vanilla. Some people intentionally spread it but some people tried healing
Asmon's most based take in his life. "We all look different, but it's not just skin deep, our Brains are different"
Finally.
Same as summoning people to the bottom of the ocean lol
Even the lack of empathy line of thinking isn't even right, you can't enjoy others suffering without the empathetic function to really just, bathe in the suffering created.
Haha. Not exactly. Well, unless you are a masochist. An emphatic person would understand and share that suffering. I doubt griefers are there to share in the suffering, they are there to see it happen to others while enjoying the outcome. They feel joy, the victim feel suffering. No sharing of feelings involved.
@@kopicat2429 Yeah but they don't even get to really see it. They enjoy causing suffering so much they'll do it even if it's merely implied suffering. Like giving someone a gift that you'll never see but the opposite, I guess.
@@Revion91 True. But I was more so implying that they are there to see the process. To see it happen(in this case the level 60 characters dying), while imagining and enjoying the outcome. The victim getting pissed off, sad, and whatever else they hope for. They might even prefer not being able to actually 'see' how the victim reacts. Since whatever reaction they imagine is no doubt most of the time way better then reality.
@@kopicat2429 No, I think they most certainly would prefer to see the reaction. That's why they summon a streamer and have his reaction in the video. I'm just trying to figure out if it's 1 person, 2, or 3. If this is a lone actor, then it's definitely the most evil of the 3 possibilities. It takes the most planning and time (to level and position the characters), and frontloads all the reward and pleasure of the act on the act itself instead of the reaction and experience you'd get revelling in it your buddy.
But there seems to be two bad actors here, because you can hear laughing in the video. In all likelihood, it was probably two people that carried it out, with one dude helping and the other multiboxing. Two or more raises the interesting question of where you even find someone willing to match your smallness, but in my opinion is significantly less deranged because, in all likelihood, they probably wouldn't have bothered with all the work if it meant they couldn't laugh at them with their buddy.
The most depraved would be a lone actor with NO video recorded. This in all honestly would have caused the most chaos and suffering, because they could have done it for longer, less people would have been clued into it, and there would be significantly less public outrage. It would mean they're not even in it for the notoriety or infamy, only for a pure desire to spite others.
Well, my witch to burn will always be people who lack the capacity for empathy in positions of power. I have yet to hear any good arguments for why they shouldn't just not exist.
I love how everybody in this video and in the comment section are talking about the culpridts like they are real serial killers...lmao
Maybe they are. You never know.
Sociopathic traits can be shown in many ways, and that's probably one for some people unfortunately
I haven't died yet and at max level I intend to run around saving people where I can ! maybe make a compilation of clips if I do !
doubt it will get half as many views as if I made one griefing though
Like my favourite harem protagonist once said: "Sometimes you don't have a villain arc, sometimes you just wake up one day...changed."
I honestly think this is the best thing about the game. This is an organic situation and it's funny af. There's some real villains in this game and that's hilarious
baldguy really said " blizzard should add a invincibility system " while those apes cant make a normal function stash system
not gonna lie i just find this kind of shit hilarious
Anything involving booty bay in classic is a death sentence, even a portal to it.
It really is true. There are some people that really do want to watch the world burn
Or as others said born that way and nothing can be done about it. Its just how some people are and I feel like there is more to it than them being crappy.
@@PrincessofKeys a person could be like that for tons of reasons. But some people don’t believe there are actual bad or evil people in the world and there legitimately are.
9:22 guy in the corner crying
I have to admit this is pretty freaking hilarious 😂😂 now i do feel bad for their characters and the hundreds of hours but still 😂
If you get stabbed or attacked "Bro just don't walk there, don't walk close to strangers and tell him not to if he does, many people recover from injuries, just move on"
Vast difference between real life and a game. Yes the griefers are 100% in the wrong. However if a real life comparison must be made its more akin to say... someone trying to get you to enter their home. Are you just going to walk into a complete strangers home without your own reason, or just say why not? See if they have something waiting for you?
if you don't consent then he literally can't stab you !!!
lol but that's actually good advice though. Don't go to the shitty/seedy parts of a city if you don't want to get stabbed.
@@kthy0056
Woulda saved that guy in NYC life
it has to be a warrior though. mage/warrior is probably the top 2 most popular classes and mages would just have BB their hearth since they can port to 3 other places.
As for people saying "it's just a game", it's real time and effort people put into their characters. Real commitments they may have made to do this dungeon or that raid later on that day, which they couldn't do anymore (and thus they had to disappoint their friends of guild) due to this. Sports is a game, chess is a game, any sort of competition is a game, yet there are rules, goals, dreams, struggles and hardships involved. Your (or people's) anonymity or the general virtual nature of the interaction neither gives you the right to abandon all rules of decency and empathy, nor does it necessarily make these kinds of actions any less damaging and condemnable.
One other thing you may not be taking into account is the effect this has on the psyche of your victims. They might never trust a stranger's help again, might never play this game or any other online game again, due to being traumatized or at least burnt from a harmful interaction like this. "Once burnt, twice shy" - it does not matter if that harmful experience occurred online or offline. If you were emotionally invested, and lost real effort and value due to the evil of other people, it is completely plausible that some people may be traumatized by that.
Lmao, its just a game. Relax. Ppl not gonna get ptsd
@@guest0046 I'm sure if someone came into your house destroyed your 5.000 tile puzzle and said "It's just a game relax" you would be calm and agree with him.
@@renzuki5830 i would probably get pissed for a little while. but not get ptsd amd traumatized like you claim and never trust nobody, and never do another puzzle ever or play any games and so on.
Like i said, its just a game
@@renzuki5830 and if you dont want to be perma killed, go play the game normally or with the addon where you can appeal.
If youre such an edgelord that you need the adrenaline from.i might die, then its on your stupid ass to party up with strangers and get tricked.
And i find this griefing stuff hillarious
And this is a part of that game. Without the risk of death HC is just the normal game lol. If you get traumatized for that risk actualizing then it's about time you grew up.
Some people just troll to troll, I remember back when I was like 10-12 I used to play Minecraft quite a bit and it was really fun to infiltrate groups of people in factions or group skyblock ect and become friends for a couple weeks sometimes longer and then I get bored of those people and destroy everything that was built in that time and never talk to them again and do it again at another time.
Fuck yeah
No slow fall or Immunity after portal, because that could be abused. Instead, allow a third option "View Portal" where a ghost of your character goes through the portal for 10 seconds, to see what would happen if you actually committed
8:20
KEK they formed a guild!
Дякую Napalm
I would assume they could trace the griefer by looking at the dead characters and seeing which character/account summoned them before death > ban
Imagine if, like in some games, people "dropped" items and equipment on death.
This would be a real mafia to farm items and equipment, specially in a game where people are hidden behind the character, committing virtual murder is already being done without profits, if they could do robbery as well...
Have you not heard of runescape ? 🤣 people makes 1000s of real life money doing that
@@hm-tr2lh Never played RS but I knew there were games like that in the old days, I think Tibia had something like that too.
Nah when you let people do w/e they want without consequences, expecting good results is idiotic, people's nature is not "goodness and kindness", people only do what is rewarded and avoid doing(or get caught doing) things that are punishable.
Being "good and kind" used to be rewarded and still is to some extent, that why most people try to be or try to "look" like that with all the virtue signaling bs, but if people were to really go "masks off", the number of genuinely good and kind people would be so small that it would not make any difference.
5:13
Part of playing an mmo
Gitgud
I was playing hardcore yesterday and died lvl 13 in the Barrens cause some random ran past me with level 17+ Kolkars that started attacking me when they walked through me.... I was very salty
Playing hardcore is like driving: always pay more attention to what other do that yourself
That's not how mobs work, you must have hit them or he nova'd them.
This is acceptable. You signed up for HC. Makes the challenge juicier.
It's not griefing, it's simply judgment day.