This is the kind of guild that everyone should avoid The guild merges 3 teams Has problems on what looks like normal council Talks like mythic high level
I was just in a regular Auchenai Crypts run in TBC Classic with someone who was treating it like a server first raid, so now this kind of shit isn't that surprising to me anymore.
The GM approached the situation with pure aggression, meaning his ego was involved. He didn't put forward any rational arguments, didn't call out legitimately bad behaviors and ask for them to be rectified. He was vague, angry, and put forward no message other than basically 'fuck you'.
The amount of effort and time a good raid leader puts in to raiding is a lot. I completely understand his frustration and tbh I think he was quite cool. We're not dealing with children or employees, we're talking about full grown adults that can't follow basic instruction while really they should've done their own research. I don't know the full story of this guild drama but from seeing this video and knowing some of the drama we experience, I know there isn't just one side to this story.
Sometimes you need to be more toxic/angry when people don't liste and still be retards. So i fully understand him, if people think he was being rude and don't understand him then they should stick to super duper casual guilds instead that focus more on raid RP than killing bosses.
@@badderen92 What level do you raid at? I guarantee you won't see any dogshit like this with successful CE guilds. This is a normal guild that never even killed Heroic Sire lmfao.
@@memphisTN3 Ive done cutting edge and many times i had to be aggessive to people because they never learm and kept doing same shit. you will learn the older u get that sometimes u need to be rough to peeps so they understand
@@Dadbod1999 Might be better to understand you're playing a fuckin game and there are no prizes to be won for doing anything anymore, the pond is entirely fished out and playing a video game isn't going to get the guild leader any attention so you can either play the game to have fun and see content or you can become guildless after losing every decent member to your ego :P
No idea who divinity is duno why this video was recommended to me but safe to say I'm fascinated after being 1 min in and here for the full video now lol
bro im in a top 250 US guild and no one acts like this at that level as well. I can't even imagine having this mentality at a casual level. Pure delusional.
@@Monnisti yeah but there's a lot of difference even between world 20 and hall of fame. the former knowing the good, and the latter thinking they're better than they are
This is insane. When we got Cutting Edge on N'zoth, it happened after months of drama leading up to and during the prog of that boss. Our RL was a nice, positive person and by the end of it even he started to feel frustrated and defeated. Despite that, he never once talked to a single person like this(even if they were the problem), let alone openly to an entire raid.
While doing "12" hour shifts, really 14 hours, on my work days I still put in 4-6 hours and on my off days it was an easy 16 hours minimum. 10 hours aint shit.
It's not WoW, in his life he thinks he should be better so he takes it out in the game. I have mild thoughts of this at my job but he's so far gone he's screwed.
Not trying to necro, but the story is pretty great. He left? or got kicked? Then tried to make his own guild. Which he had the exact same thing happen again and he literally disbanded the guild mid pull on one of the bosses. He then trialed with my guild, shortly after our Raid lead got word of him, but decided to give him a chance until he did something stupid. With in a week, he was talking to one of our officers who had just returned from taking a break and he didn't know it was an officer and was slandering our raid lead talking mad trash trying to get players to leave with him so we kicked him. But our recruitment guys see him on recruitment channels all the time, so I'm assuming word is out on him now.
its both parties fault. a lot of the times the raid team does straight up suck lol. ours was getting mad af on sludge and i took lead and shotcalled melee dps on heroic and we eventually killed it. every team has a ceiling and u have to recognize that. my team that cud barely kill sludge was mostly revamped/kicked and we got to 7/10 M on castle. shouldnt act like this but i understand how people could get frustrated.
My friend and I are the ones to sit back and eat popcorn while whispering each other. And maybe throwing in comments to escalate things. Makes more interesting
I built my community with the opposite energy this guy gives. With the understanding that we are all adults with lives, careers, families, and don't have time for drama over a video game. Because at the end of the day, we are playing with pixels. It shouldn't be that serious.
@MyChannel-vv9sp Oh calm the hell down. Some people are just chill and still mad good at the game. So why make such a closed minded and stupid comment? LOL. You have to be quite young I imagine...
How people stayed after all that astounds me. The man is straight up blaming other people for his "aggression", treats every player like shit and for what? A normal Nathria run? Not even Mythic guilds are this toxic. I'd have quit, even if he wasn't directly addressing me.
No offense to you, but in my personal experience people who use terms like "toxic" are precisely the kind that we just saw leading a guild. If you have to ask people to give you respect instead of earning it and you expect people to be nice to you regardless of your behavior you'll have very little real friends in life. I know, because I met some of these people and they'll stab you in the back for the slightest misgiving.
ue just a snowlfkae honestly so yea maybe that seems harsh to u, but if people arent listening then i get him. u havent done or achieved anything in ur life, so you dont know what its like to be in a leadership position trying to manage a bunch of people that dont want to listen and have an attitude
this randomly showed up in my feed, this starfrost guy (same discord picture) trialed for my guild a month or two ago. he wasn't playing well on heroic sylv farm, got sat, freaked out and left
It's not about results. Unless you're pushing for WF you should focus on having a good environment. Nobody cares about your CE or 100% mythic logs in 2 months from now so better to have a good time to look back on.
My guild leader is like that. i think the closest to angry I've ever heard him is a disappointed sigh when something truly stupid happens. Other than that he's a really solid dude. Definitely makes raid night something to look forward to.
Lol Mr Hero GM didn't even make it to 1 minute before the controlling ego came through, what a miserable old shrew. If we had GMs or Raid Leads like this we used to deliberately fail while getting closer and closer to downing the boss, just to troll them more to lose it epically. Good times.🤭
When this happens in guilds i'm in, i always grab popcorn and just let them talk it out. I don't see why some people / raidleaders etc force people to stay kind or whatever at all times. I once had a Raid Leader who wouldn't allow us to use toys, doing end bosses we wasn't even close to, or even do bosses we had already killed that noone needed loot from. So eventually the Guild Leader did the call and just kicked him out of the guild, but forgot to do it on the Discord. It was a funny day to hear him rage out.
I watched this video again and now realized that the dude Star is a "watchlist" on a recruitment discord to tell people to be aware of this guy and his antics
My guild jump into normal CN a week after launch, we only down 5 boss, but we all had fun, then we went to live our lives and are still happy. The end.
He's not a leader, clearly. I've encountered people like this. Someone who is in charge, but doesn't want to explain it in different ways; because he's to lazy or to dumb.
I already work one stressful job where I have to meet deadlines and sit through meetings all day. I damn sure am not going to let of little people who want some power treat me like I’m In at a second job. I’ve been playing wow for nearly 20 years and things have changed for the worse. It’s not fun to play if this is the kind of bs you have to deal with.
Anybody else look up the characters from guild drama videos like this to see where they are now? Lmao. Starfrost is nowehere to be found. Desu is 413 ilvl, pushing mythic. Most have quit playing. Just interesting to see what has happened since this absolute meltdown.
My guild hit a wall in normal first week, said they were gonna try to be a mythic guild. We had similar issues of gearing and just not good players, RL didnt act like a child and eventually we got better players and progressed. AOTC took almost 150 pulls but we never ran into this kinda crap. Especially in a Normal run there is no excuse for this kind of behavior. I would have left on the spot
Holy fuck. Star is talking out of his ass and riding his ego so hard. Thank god I joined with you guys in Horde, Clear Coms-Bleeding Hollow (3/10M btw in SoD, come join us). This is the pinnacle of toxic. :D
This is exactly why I quit raiding and just do mythic plus with my friends. We have most 15’s on farm each week and manage to knock out 18-20 mythic pluses each week. I don’t have to put up with this nonsense for 4 hours. I am better geared then most of our guilds mythic raiders.
I couldn't have said it better myself. Was the exact comment I was going to make. I'm just a casual player now. GM's think they're gods and can talk to anyone any way they please. Why I made my own guild. He bashes everyone with no remorse for what he said. Pitiful excuse for a GM. lol
Oh my god this is Arkensor from Faerlina/Benediction on classic. I was in Wrecked when he lead it and was the biggest slimy POS you could have as a leader. I remember he "forgot" to hand out loot when we were clearing AQ and the trade timer dropped except only that wasnt true and he instead gave it to his friends.
I was in a competitive mythic guild and it never got this bad, yes there was drama but not like this... what broke our guild up was a girl and it happened twice. LOL
The difficulty really doesnt matter, im in a CE guild (every tier) and our team is mega chill. There is ZERO reason to act like this 'guildleader', what a tool XD
This isn't even competitive. Its a power tripping casual old timer that sucks. It's heroic guild at best pretending to be a mythic raid group, thats not even mythic prog. Even mythic raid groups are less toxic.
i quit wow about 10 years ago when it became a commitment rather then a game, my guild was good and killing content but the expectations were too much, most people on there were losers with no job and lived at home and could play 18hrs/day. i just wanted to unwind after a long day at work and after the kiddo was in bed for a few hours before i went to bed with my wife.
Why are people so insecure about liking a game. LOL I play the game but I pound pussy and have a house and pay bills, I am not like those other losers who like this game, I like it the right way. Just find a way to enjoy the game and don't judge others.
Omg exactly i feel the same way i received similar treatment in my guild its no longer about enjoyment and feeling satisfaction over progression its like you rock up and have to complete all your dailies and Mythic + otherwise GTFO it got so annoying having that as something Mandatory i dislike Mythic + and to get decent gear ilvl you need to do like level 15+ for really good drops like.. im more casual when it comes to WoW and PVE raids etc but the game has honestly turned so demanding and slave driving now a days.. its lost its charm and guilds are unfortunately turning into toxic groups like this.. I do think this co GM is very Egotistical and projects too much comparing his guild to a Pro Guild when they seem casual anyway yeah WoW has seriously gone so downhill
@@chrissy93x I think it's a bit more the fact some people grow up and grow out of most video games at a certain age, some never mentally grow up and they become 40 year old virgins who end up getting jail time for sexually assaulting a girl cosplayer, it's the circle of life.
Ok so this is spinning me the fuck out man The raid lead is treating normal like it’s mythic world first He gets support People aren’t leaving the moment trash takes half an hour
Its because he has simps who think if they stick around they might get their best gear then leave for another guild. Problem is most guilds dont survive long after all the good people leave and then GM inevitably dips out to try and find another guild to mooch off of
Problem is people like this shouldn't be an officer at all if they are all care is about saving their power and refuse to admit to their mistakes. As an officer you should be the one to rectify the drama and not the one to cause the drama. Well talking down to your guild members will not work well at all.
holy shit i went to search his name. He is still playing and currently an officer in another guild. I wonder has he grown up? apparently some of their existing members here are hidden gems and doing so much better than him achieving CE with 95 parses LOL.
Love these xD i raid lead for 2 years, at NO POINT during mythic prog did i need to raise my voice. They were adults, so talk as such. Imagine saying dont complain when i yell at you, christ :)
"IM GOING TO PUBLICALLY SHIT ON YOU, BUT YOU BETTER NOT SAY NUFFIN BOUT ME, RESPECT MY AUTHORITY!!!!!" God I really am too old for this this shit lol. I'd have said "you're the most childish person, and I'd rather raid with a casual guild that has a good time, than raid with a child who dishes but cant take."
Ever since I moved to FF14 (after playing WoW for 7 years) I've just never had any of these problems. I started my own guild (FC) and granted it is between friends or friends of friends but I make sure to never get mad about failing/wiping/etc. Over time after experiencing stuff like this I think I just adopted a 'no bs / fun only' mindset. I want to beat content as next as the next guy but if it comes at the cost of having a good time then what's the point to be honest. I have been playing FF for a year now and have completed most of the Extremes from Heavensward and below and also done other hard end-game content and we've never had a negative experience. I feel really sorry for people who have to have bad experiences like this in the video - but I guess once you've experienced it, then you know what to avoid. I'm pretty sure most of us have had this happen before.
I think raiding in FF14 and WoW are two different beasts when it comes to their communities. I believe FF14 it's against their terms of service, (or some rules, not really sure my buddies raid on FF14) that if someone gets mad at you for not having enough DPS/being cutthroat like this Co-GM in the video, you can get your account banned and such. However, this isn't necessary a bad thing as your example is a perfect when it comes to the attitude when raiding in FF. I find it's hard to find a group that just wants to down content and have fun at the same time. Don't get me wrong I like wow raiding just as much as the next guy but finding a group that isn't a bunch of parce monkeys is extremely hard.
Great Video. I have been raiding for a long time finally had enough of it. This gave me flashbacks of all the crap that guilds I have been in. The funniest thing to me is when guilds try to talk about parses in Heroic lol, especially with tanks. Mythic we did a lot with parses not ever on Heroic was a waste of time.
Normal / Heroic shouldn't need this much effort.. if its Mythic progression I understand.. I got a feeling that people aren't cooperating or just being lazy with mechanics. Worst case are heavily under-geared for the raid itself. Raiding should be an enjoyable experience and Mechanics is just learning / memorization. If there is bad vibes within the guild or toxicity being caused.. people are going to turn aggressive or just give up and leave. People are here in the guild to have chill vibes and enjoy a good time in a game not be yelled at over mechanics or being belittled over things which can be resolved
I personally never have problem in NORMAL/HC raids during legion/BFA always killed it with laughing and many people in never was no one angry about anything even people died because we knew it's a just normal/HC the emotions going UP when it's mythic cause even i yelled at people when during BoD progresion someone coudn't understand how to MOVE on jadefire master during the minigame
Games supposed to be fun this is like getting talked to like a kid, who needs that. Especially if you come from work and you want to kick back with your guildies, like damn
@Evan Taylor I’m glad I have no desire to truly progress in raids as LFR has been enough for me to just see them, then again even they have toxic people in them who act like they’re doing mythic lmao
This GM is the worst leader EVER....I understand your frustration but there is a time and place and you have just alienated at least half your guild and they will now work actively to bring you down. It's sad. Get some leadership 101 classes down bro...its a shame....some of the folks seem like really cook and dedicated people...but GM need to learn what patience and leading by example means...Just my two cents worth...P.S. Suggestion to the members of this guild...ask yourself this ? Are you seriously paying 15.00 a month for treatment like this. But even a better ? why are you still in this guild? LOL
Having a raid leader like this is always an upside in my eyes, especially if you're a good player and just get to sit back and enjoy the free entertainment. I have always also had more success with raid leaders like this than more laid back ones.
Yeah sometimes it does work. They get shit done. I don’t mind it either because I’m usually the one not fucking up lol. I don’t mind laid back leaders either. But…. When it’s too laid back and there is no consequences for holding everyone back. It sucks
To be honest, my friends and I join prog guilds and enjoy shit talking / laughing at everyone in whisper. As long as bosses are killed, groups like these are awesome to listen to--terminally online people make good content.
I am "let's just kill bosses" guy. Like, no one cares about your ego. People are there to kill bosses and get loot. Just chill and let people learn fights. Don't be agressive towards your team. Call them out, explain them, make sure they understand.
So you're not playing WoW at all then? It's 99,99% guys game, so obviously the little drama that exists most likely consist of guys. Lol. It's ONE guy whining :D
@@ZonZorZerx Go to any video where one of the main players in the drama is female. Then check for comments like the one I wrote above… but with one word changed.
@@tim_is_random Read my comment again and see if you can figure out why your postulation and logic is ridiculous. You're either a troll or extremely dimwitted.
they underestimate the levels because of how weak my character is, my experiment points go up a lot faster and manage to kill high level monsters and my levels goes up very easily
I love guild drama, there is always that 1 or 2 dudes who are just eating popcorn and enjoying the show
This is the kind of guild that everyone should avoid
The guild merges 3 teams
Has problems on what looks like normal council
Talks like mythic high level
I am the one stirring the pot while smoking it.😊
Lol
I had a guild leader like this, I just left and found a better, happier guild.
guild leaders like this are dictators
I first thought they progressing on Mythic. Shit blow my mind that the GM is this aggressive on normal/heroic.
lol even in Mythic, why the fuck should he be such an animal. I /gquit those shit.
I was just in a regular Auchenai Crypts run in TBC Classic with someone who was treating it like a server first raid, so now this kind of shit isn't that surprising to me anymore.
@KeV B easy dude, just a game.😂
@@nathancallahan1908 wasn’t that a dungeon lol ? That’s hilarious I would have ran with it
@@nathancallahan1908 a 5 man I mean lol
"women are emotional"
this video:
Kissless virgin spotted
A bunch of Wal Mart employees desperately clinging to the tiny bit of power they have in their life.
Thats correct
Lmao
Don't talk about your colleagues that way
@@nahreallytho6583 so triggered, are you the GM from the video my guy?
@gabrielsibajamendez2089 u think that's triggers when he made a joke lmao u must be in the video I'm guessing really haha
The GM approached the situation with pure aggression, meaning his ego was involved. He didn't put forward any rational arguments, didn't call out legitimately bad behaviors and ask for them to be rectified. He was vague, angry, and put forward no message other than basically 'fuck you'.
The amount of effort and time a good raid leader puts in to raiding is a lot. I completely understand his frustration and tbh I think he was quite cool. We're not dealing with children or employees, we're talking about full grown adults that can't follow basic instruction while really they should've done their own research. I don't know the full story of this guild drama but from seeing this video and knowing some of the drama we experience, I know there isn't just one side to this story.
Sometimes you need to be more toxic/angry when people don't liste and still be retards. So i fully understand him, if people think he was being rude and don't understand him then they should stick to super duper casual guilds instead that focus more on raid RP than killing bosses.
@@badderen92 What level do you raid at? I guarantee you won't see any dogshit like this with successful CE guilds. This is a normal guild that never even killed Heroic Sire lmfao.
@@memphisTN3 Ive done cutting edge and many times i had to be aggessive to people because they never learm and kept doing same shit. you will learn the older u get that sometimes u need to be rough to peeps so they understand
@@Dadbod1999 Might be better to understand you're playing a fuckin game and there are no prizes to be won for doing anything anymore, the pond is entirely fished out and playing a video game isn't going to get the guild leader any attention so you can either play the game to have fun and see content or you can become guildless after losing every decent member to your ego :P
No idea who divinity is duno why this video was recommended to me but safe to say I'm fascinated after being 1 min in and here for the full video now lol
SAME
Duno?
Quality, top-notch content. That GM is delusional for doing this with normal/heroic raiders lmaooo
bro im in a top 250 US guild and no one acts like this at that level as well. I can't even imagine having this mentality at a casual level. Pure delusional.
@memphisTN3 apparently you never heard of blood legion rank#1 American team.
Riggins or Rignarious who is the raid leader is way worse than this guy.
@@doublevision84yea but that’s because they push for hall of fame and he warns people before hand it’s a hard ball guild.
@rex200024 Not a world first raider, but ive had my share of world 20 to 35. I have never met people like this.
@@Monnisti yeah but there's a lot of difference even between world 20 and hall of fame. the former knowing the good, and the latter thinking they're better than they are
This is insane. When we got Cutting Edge on N'zoth, it happened after months of drama leading up to and during the prog of that boss. Our RL was a nice, positive person and by the end of it even he started to feel frustrated and defeated. Despite that, he never once talked to a single person like this(even if they were the problem), let alone openly to an entire raid.
The fact that the guy said 10hrs a day, 7days a week blows my mind…
Anything under 10 hrs is considered causal in wow.
Being competitive
Can’t do heroic council
Only brings 20 to heroic council
10 hours a day… well, this GM has definitely obtained the achievement, ‘Legendary Neckbeard’.
pfff no 10 hours is casual. 16-18 is where its at
While doing "12" hour shifts, really 14 hours, on my work days I still put in 4-6 hours and on my off days it was an easy 16 hours minimum.
10 hours aint shit.
@@reppz9634 why would anyone do that.
@@cg56578 Because I was doing mythic progression and wanted to be server first kill
@@reppz9634 yeah thats fine, i mean work. why would you do that it slows progress down
“Y’all ready for this?” Is playing in the background LMAO
Typical case of ‘power gone to head’. So cringe, online is clearly the only place he feels like he has some sort of ‘power’
Yeah I guarantee he jacks it to Domination Anime. This dude is a genuine loser.
I dunno why this was recommended to me but I finished my popcorn while watching.
this guy is the definition of virgin lord. he does not have a life outside of WoW. his life revolves around the game. i pity him.
Nothing wrong with a game being the highlight of your day or week but he clearly doesnt know how to enjoy his time in it very well. Sounded unhappy
It's not WoW, in his life he thinks he should be better so he takes it out in the game. I have mild thoughts of this at my job but he's so far gone he's screwed.
How did the entire raid group not leave?
Please tell me that guy doesn't have a guild anymore.
Not trying to necro, but the story is pretty great. He left? or got kicked? Then tried to make his own guild. Which he had the exact same thing happen again and he literally disbanded the guild mid pull on one of the bosses. He then trialed with my guild, shortly after our Raid lead got word of him, but decided to give him a chance until he did something stupid. With in a week, he was talking to one of our officers who had just returned from taking a break and he didn't know it was an officer and was slandering our raid lead talking mad trash trying to get players to leave with him so we kicked him. But our recruitment guys see him on recruitment channels all the time, so I'm assuming word is out on him now.
@@lancenpants This closure is absolutely worth the Necro-response, gracias
its both parties fault. a lot of the times the raid team does straight up suck lol. ours was getting mad af on sludge and i took lead and shotcalled melee dps on heroic and we eventually killed it. every team has a ceiling and u have to recognize that. my team that cud barely kill sludge was mostly revamped/kicked and we got to 7/10 M on castle. shouldnt act like this but i understand how people could get frustrated.
@@balance1619 I didn't read anything after you implied behavior like this is ever justified in a video game. That's idiotic
@@theraxis It's perfectly justified. if you suck at the game you deserve to get screamed at. if you can't take it then quit.
9:56 hahahah "can we just kill bosses". Thats exactly what i would have said lol
The Guild leader can't even take constructive criticism?! Damn I'd be out too.
dude just applied to my guild, glad i found this and avoided that bullet
My friend and I are the ones to sit back and eat popcorn while whispering each other. And maybe throwing in comments to escalate things. Makes more interesting
I built my community with the opposite energy this guy gives. With the understanding that we are all adults with lives, careers, families, and don't have time for drama over a video game. Because at the end of the day, we are playing with pixels. It shouldn't be that serious.
@My Channel You swung. You missed.
@My Channel 8 months later... he was right.
@MyChannel-vv9sp Oh calm the hell down. Some people are just chill and still mad good at the game. So why make such a closed minded and stupid comment? LOL. You have to be quite young I imagine...
Back in mop we cleared SoO on heroic up to garrosh (we got so close but never got him) each week, for months, and we all had fun, we just hung out...
How people stayed after all that astounds me. The man is straight up blaming other people for his "aggression", treats every player like shit and for what? A normal Nathria run?
Not even Mythic guilds are this toxic. I'd have quit, even if he wasn't directly addressing me.
No offense to you, but in my personal experience people who use terms like "toxic" are precisely the kind that we just saw leading a guild. If you have to ask people to give you respect instead of earning it and you expect people to be nice to you regardless of your behavior you'll have very little real friends in life. I know, because I met some of these people and they'll stab you in the back for the slightest misgiving.
@@Sebastian-hg3xc lmao sounds like you’re toxic
@@Sebastian-hg3xc your toxic
@@Mr_Spaghetti woah thats toxic bro
ue just a snowlfkae honestly so yea maybe that seems harsh to u, but if people arent listening then i get him. u havent done or achieved anything in ur life, so you dont know what its like to be in a leadership position trying to manage a bunch of people that dont want to listen and have an attitude
Reminds me of the time my vanilla WoW guild disbanded because the off tank didn't bring bandages for Blackwing Layer Chromaggus attempts.
This dude has been working at Wal-Mart for 12+ years and it shows.
this randomly showed up in my feed, this starfrost guy (same discord picture) trialed for my guild a month or two ago. he wasn't playing well on heroic sylv farm, got sat, freaked out and left
Lmaoooo why are some rls always on some extreme bs like this. The chillest RLs seem to have the best results in my experience.
oh shit and its heroic lmaoooo noooooo
I lost it when i saw it was heroic. Like dude chill TF out.
It's not about results. Unless you're pushing for WF you should focus on having a good environment. Nobody cares about your CE or 100% mythic logs in 2 months from now so better to have a good time to look back on.
My guild leader is like that. i think the closest to angry I've ever heard him is a disappointed sigh when something truly stupid happens. Other than that he's a really solid dude. Definitely makes raid night something to look forward to.
Lol Mr Hero GM didn't even make it to 1 minute before the controlling ego came through, what a miserable old shrew.
If we had GMs or Raid Leads like this we used to deliberately fail while getting closer and closer to downing the boss, just to troll them more to lose it epically.
Good times.🤭
14:36 man "worked" 10 hours a day for 7 weeks in WoW. Well thats his problem, hes forgotten what its like to talk to people in real life.
When this happens in guilds i'm in, i always grab popcorn and just let them talk it out. I don't see why some people / raidleaders etc force people to stay kind or whatever at all times.
I once had a Raid Leader who wouldn't allow us to use toys, doing end bosses we wasn't even close to, or even do bosses we had already killed that noone needed loot from. So eventually the Guild Leader did the call and just kicked him out of the guild, but forgot to do it on the Discord. It was a funny day to hear him rage out.
Man, I would have 100% wiped them the next fight and /gquit immediately after.
I watched this video again and now realized that the dude Star is a "watchlist" on a recruitment discord to tell people to be aware of this guy and his antics
My guild jump into normal CN a week after launch, we only down 5 boss, but we all had fun, then we went to live our lives and are still happy. The end.
He's not a leader, clearly.
I've encountered people like this. Someone who is in charge, but doesn't want to explain it in different ways; because he's to lazy or to dumb.
I already work one stressful job where I have to meet deadlines and sit through meetings all day. I damn sure am not going to let of little people who want some power treat me like I’m
In at a second job. I’ve been playing wow for nearly 20 years and things have changed for the worse. It’s not fun to play if this is the kind of bs you have to deal with.
It isn’t the kind of bs you have to put up with, feller.
Anybody else look up the characters from guild drama videos like this to see where they are now? Lmao.
Starfrost is nowehere to be found. Desu is 413 ilvl, pushing mythic. Most have quit playing. Just interesting to see what has happened since this absolute meltdown.
Imagine being aggressive in Normal raiding
My guild hit a wall in normal first week, said they were gonna try to be a mythic guild. We had similar issues of gearing and just not good players, RL didnt act like a child and eventually we got better players and progressed. AOTC took almost 150 pulls but we never ran into this kinda crap. Especially in a Normal run there is no excuse for this kind of behavior. I would have left on the spot
Competitive against who? Heroic pugs?
Maaaaan you have to record some full boss encounters to listen to how raid calling and fails are handled.
Every time there’s guild drama me and my friend mute our mics and whisper each other talking shit 😂
i played Everquest 2 for several years and never saw people talk to each other this way
Man this dude doesnt need to be a gm or even an officer if he's gonna act like this. people like this suck all the fun out of the game
Holy fuck. Star is talking out of his ass and riding his ego so hard. Thank god I joined with you guys in Horde, Clear Coms-Bleeding Hollow (3/10M btw in SoD, come join us). This is the pinnacle of toxic. :D
God 30-40 year old guys arguring about pixels...
Hahaha imagine being an adult and having someone talk to you like this on a video game
5:45 feel bad for the others in the group trying to calm thinks down and make it more relaxed just getting shutdown by neckbeard
It’s people like him that gets me tilted. If he was a boss in real life, he would be getting his ass whooped.
Lmfao "i'm not here to teach people how to play world of warcraft" this dude is a super giga chad. divinity sounds like a guild asmongold runs
This is exactly why I quit raiding and just do mythic plus with my friends. We have most 15’s on farm each week and manage to knock out 18-20 mythic pluses each week. I don’t have to put up with this nonsense for 4 hours. I am better geared then most of our guilds mythic raiders.
I couldn't have said it better myself. Was the exact comment I was going to make. I'm just a casual player now. GM's think they're gods and can talk to anyone any way they please. Why I made my own guild. He bashes everyone with no remorse for what he said. Pitiful excuse for a GM. lol
Oh my god this is Arkensor from Faerlina/Benediction on classic. I was in Wrecked when he lead it and was the biggest slimy POS you could have as a leader. I remember he "forgot" to hand out loot when we were clearing AQ and the trade timer dropped except only that wasnt true and he instead gave it to his friends.
if people cant do heroic first week just guild kick everyone and guild disband
if somebody was going to act like this over normal and heroic, I would've gquit on the spot.
I was in a competitive mythic guild and it never got this bad, yes there was drama but not like this... what broke our guild up was a girl and it happened twice. LOL
Was it you ? Lol
My favorite guild I was in got broken up by some drunk 🤣😂🤣 never a girl that's new
We only allow one girl in our raid team. The raiders can't handle it.
@Some Goy What the fuck kinda sexist cesspit guilds are you finding that completely refuses to recruit the opposite gender?
omg you ran the stormrage branch of Mature Content didn't you
pls more of this this is gold content
Starfrost is radiating manchild energy
Bruh, this is the reason I stay away from Competitive guilds.
The difficulty really doesnt matter, im in a CE guild (every tier) and our team is mega chill. There is ZERO reason to act like this 'guildleader', what a tool XD
This isn't even competitive. Its a power tripping casual old timer that sucks. It's heroic guild at best pretending to be a mythic raid group, thats not even mythic prog. Even mythic raid groups are less toxic.
What high school drama in games nooo way lol
This guild didn't age well 😂
Imagine Miriam Webster struggling to define the word ‘cringe’ if this video was around back then
i quit wow about 10 years ago when it became a commitment rather then a game, my guild was good and killing content but the expectations were too much, most people on there were losers with no job and lived at home and could play 18hrs/day. i just wanted to unwind after a long day at work and after the kiddo was in bed for a few hours before i went to bed with my wife.
Why are people so insecure about liking a game. LOL I play the game but I pound pussy and have a house and pay bills, I am not like those other losers who like this game, I like it the right way. Just find a way to enjoy the game and don't judge others.
Omg exactly i feel the same way i received similar treatment in my guild its no longer about enjoyment and feeling satisfaction over progression its like you rock up and have to complete all your dailies and Mythic + otherwise GTFO it got so annoying having that as something Mandatory i dislike Mythic + and to get decent gear ilvl you need to do like level 15+ for really good drops like.. im more casual when it comes to WoW and PVE raids etc but the game has honestly turned so demanding and slave driving now a days.. its lost its charm and guilds are unfortunately turning into toxic groups like this.. I do think this co GM is very Egotistical and projects too much comparing his guild to a Pro Guild when they seem casual anyway yeah WoW has seriously gone so downhill
@@jam19h said like a teenager trying to convince himself hes not a neckbeard lmao
@@chrissy93x I think it's a bit more the fact some people grow up and grow out of most video games at a certain age, some never mentally grow up and they become 40 year old virgins who end up getting jail time for sexually assaulting a girl cosplayer, it's the circle of life.
You’re full of shit
They only thing I need to know about this guy is when he says I put this guild together to help ME..
This guild leader is the embodiment of toxic elitism. If u have self-respect, you'd leave this guild. I know I would.
Ok so this is spinning me the fuck out man
The raid lead is treating normal like it’s mythic world first
He gets support
People aren’t leaving the moment trash takes half an hour
Its because he has simps who think if they stick around they might get their best gear then leave for another guild. Problem is most guilds dont survive long after all the good people leave and then GM inevitably dips out to try and find another guild to mooch off of
Problem is people like this shouldn't be an officer at all if they are all care is about saving their power and refuse to admit to their mistakes. As an officer you should be the one to rectify the drama and not the one to cause the drama. Well talking down to your guild members will not work well at all.
holy shit i went to search his name. He is still playing and currently an officer in another guild. I wonder has he grown up? apparently some of their existing members here are hidden gems and doing so much better than him achieving CE with 95 parses LOL.
this was my guild - i'll have you know as of 2 days ago he got the boot for the same shit in these videos.
Love these xD i raid lead for 2 years, at NO POINT during mythic prog did i need to raise my voice. They were adults, so talk as such. Imagine saying dont complain when i yell at you, christ :)
Is no one going to mention the fact the fella sounds like Robert Downey Jr? Felt like I was listening to Iron Man telling the Avengers off 😂
this happens if the gm takes it too seriously
"I have anger issues to I'll continue to be angry and all of you should take it" lmao
They obviously didn't clear Jana if they're complaining about 15 wipes
This guy my god, imagine working for him no thank you lol
"IM GOING TO PUBLICALLY SHIT ON YOU, BUT YOU BETTER NOT SAY NUFFIN BOUT ME, RESPECT MY AUTHORITY!!!!!"
God I really am too old for this this shit lol. I'd have said "you're the most childish person, and I'd rather raid with a casual guild that has a good time, than raid with a child who dishes but cant take."
i am so sick of guild leaders saying "people complaining to me about you" 99% its bullshit and there also overexagerating
Sounds like this guy made a guild with the sole intention of belittling people while also doing some normal/heroic raiding on the side lol.
Ever since I moved to FF14 (after playing WoW for 7 years) I've just never had any of these problems.
I started my own guild (FC) and granted it is between friends or friends of friends but I make sure to never get mad about failing/wiping/etc. Over time after experiencing stuff like this I think I just adopted a 'no bs / fun only' mindset. I want to beat content as next as the next guy but if it comes at the cost of having a good time then what's the point to be honest.
I have been playing FF for a year now and have completed most of the Extremes from Heavensward and below and also done other hard end-game content and we've never had a negative experience.
I feel really sorry for people who have to have bad experiences like this in the video - but I guess once you've experienced it, then you know what to avoid.
I'm pretty sure most of us have had this happen before.
I think raiding in FF14 and WoW are two different beasts when it comes to their communities.
I believe FF14 it's against their terms of service, (or some rules, not really sure my buddies raid on FF14) that if someone gets mad at you for not having enough DPS/being cutthroat like this Co-GM in the video, you can get your account banned and such. However, this isn't necessary a bad thing as your example is a perfect when it comes to the attitude when raiding in FF.
I find it's hard to find a group that just wants to down content and have fun at the same time. Don't get me wrong I like wow raiding just as much as the next guy but finding a group that isn't a bunch of parce monkeys is extremely hard.
lol damn youre lucky as hell, i cant even watch cinematics in 4 mans without getting hard flamed on my dragoon :(
Final fantasy is for losers
Why would anyone upload this as a representation of them selves
what do you mean? @@danmoore1427
Why is Robert Downey Jr a guild leader on wow
Starfrost is still playing, he's now known as Starwiz-Tichondrius. Just ran into him in a key, and he hasn't changed at all.
Please keep this coming, love drama :D
You should know our PVP leader back then in vanilla. He made grown up men cry :D He was ruthless but we had best PVP grp on server ;P
if this was me i would just drop "Lmao" in the say chat and the gquit
IF this is your guild just leave on the spot, ur better without it.
how are they so serious it's normal and heroic
Great Video. I have been raiding for a long time finally had enough of it. This gave me flashbacks of all the crap that guilds I have been in. The funniest thing to me is when guilds try to talk about parses in Heroic lol, especially with tanks. Mythic we did a lot with parses not ever on Heroic was a waste of time.
That’s your own fault for choosing not to be in a guild that you enjoy being in
i love this stuff i had a horrible gm for awhile and it is painful.
Normal / Heroic shouldn't need this much effort..
if its Mythic progression I understand.. I got a feeling that people aren't cooperating or just being lazy with mechanics.
Worst case are heavily under-geared for the raid itself.
Raiding should be an enjoyable experience and Mechanics is just learning / memorization.
If there is bad vibes within the guild or toxicity being caused.. people are going to turn aggressive or just give up and leave.
People are here in the guild to have chill vibes and enjoy a good time in a game not be yelled at over mechanics or being belittled over things which can be resolved
I personally never have problem in NORMAL/HC raids during legion/BFA always killed it with laughing and many people in never was no one angry about anything even people died because we knew it's a just normal/HC
the emotions going UP when it's mythic
cause even i yelled at people when during BoD progresion someone coudn't understand how to MOVE on jadefire master during the minigame
Games supposed to be fun this is like getting talked to like a kid, who needs that. Especially if you come from work and you want to kick back with your guildies, like damn
Yep, just leave and join a casual guild. Way less stress.
Imagine being like a full blown adult over the age 30 and watching some shit like this lmao they prob think we're crazy
There’s a Rogue called Deeznuts. Just wanted to point that out 😂
And this is one of the reasons I would never join a raiding guild!
Not just that lots of favoritism and who gets what first ect besides interaction as a whole
@Evan Taylor I’m glad I have no desire to truly progress in raids as LFR has been enough for me to just see them, then again even they have toxic people in them who act like they’re doing mythic lmao
ethan earned alot of partipation trophies
if numbers is an issue in Normal the leader isnt the only issue xd. i can understand why hes angry
This GM is the worst leader EVER....I understand your frustration but there is a time and place and you have just alienated at least half your guild and they will now work actively to bring you down. It's sad. Get some leadership 101 classes down bro...its a shame....some of the folks seem like really cook and dedicated people...but GM need to learn what patience and leading by example means...Just my two cents worth...P.S. Suggestion to the members of this guild...ask yourself this ? Are you seriously paying 15.00 a month for treatment like this. But even a better ? why are you still in this guild? LOL
Having a raid leader like this is always an upside in my eyes, especially if you're a good player and just get to sit back and enjoy the free entertainment. I have always also had more success with raid leaders like this than more laid back ones.
Yeah sometimes it does work. They get shit done. I don’t mind it either because I’m usually the one not fucking up lol. I don’t mind laid back leaders either. But…. When it’s too laid back and there is no consequences for holding everyone back. It sucks
I agree it works but not when half the raid is against him
To be honest, my friends and I join prog guilds and enjoy shit talking / laughing at everyone in whisper. As long as bosses are killed, groups like these are awesome to listen to--terminally online people make good content.
100% the Nancy’s complaining about it are hilarious to listen to though
I am "let's just kill bosses" guy.
Like, no one cares about your ego. People are there to kill bosses and get loot. Just chill and let people learn fights.
Don't be agressive towards your team. Call them out, explain them, make sure they understand.
It's a hard raid, no wonder casual people have problems.
@@AlexCritic when i played i never bothered to learn fights, i clicked attacks n did damage and barely understood what anyone was saying xD
@@ShaggyTheClown17 I don't think this would work on some heroic and all mythic bosses.
Sounds like this guy likes to hear himself talk.
At that point, everyone should leave and make another guild. That would definitely teach him, lol.
your aspect ratio game is out of this world
This is why I never play WoW with guys… too emotional, too much drama
So you're not playing WoW at all then? It's 99,99% guys game, so obviously the little drama that exists most likely consist of guys. Lol. It's ONE guy whining :D
@@ZonZorZerx Go to any video where one of the main players in the drama is female. Then check for comments like the one I wrote above… but with one word changed.
@@tim_is_random Read my comment again and see if you can figure out why your postulation and logic is ridiculous. You're either a troll or extremely dimwitted.
@@ZonZorZerx It’s a subversion, dude. Never mind. *woosh*
they underestimate the levels because of how weak my character is, my experiment points go up a lot faster and manage to kill high level monsters and my levels goes up very easily
These type of guild leaders act as if they are managers and paying us a salary lol...I would have tore him a new one until i was kicked.