Vitality band is the better option over choice belt. Just look at the scenarios. With no prizes taken by the opp choice belt doesn’t even get you to that 220 mark, which is where you wanna be to KO the most popular and played Vs like Tina, Lugia, and Arceus V. After the opp has taken one prize you can now KO those 220 HP Vs by doing 240 with choice belt. BUT vitality band gets you to 220 and not only are you KOing those Vs I mentioned but you’re also able to KO a plethora of popular 220 hp EXs like chien pao, miridon, iron valiant, iron thorns, iron crown etc. which you wouldn’t have been able to do with choice belt. Now in scenarios where the opp has taken 3 prizes, choice belt will get you to 300 allowing you to KO Vstars. BUT vitality band gets you to 280 allowing you to KO those Vstars too while also being able to KO pidgeot ex. Really the only time that choice belt is optimal in the meta is against Raikou and Raichu Vs in the early game when facing a miridon deck. Edit: I just realized iron crown is weak to dark so disregard him in my analysis
@@austinbelitz3808 I still disagree, 10 extra damage is not worth it. With choice and maximum in your deck you are doing 30-50 extra damage to both EX and V cards, plus Charizard's extra 30 per prize card taken. Charizard can one shot most one prize cards without a prize taken or a tool added
@@lxmercyxl9982 The Max belt is in no matter what I’m not arguing that but I don’t think you’re understanding the math, rather you’re looking at it on a surface level. 30>10 is the only thing registering. Choice belt plays differently in every deck as the math is obviously different but we are talking about specifically in zard. So with that said, in the current meta game what V is Zard KOing with choice belt at no prizes taken (210 dmg)? The answer is only one, Raikou V (200HP), which will not see the same amount of play as it used to as the miridon ex deck took a big hit from rotation. Why is it only one you might ask? Because every single V that’s actually played in the meta game is 220 HP and I’ll list them all so you get the picture. Arceus V, Giratina V, Lugia V, Palkia V, and Dialga V. After one prize is taken guess what card would help you KO the Vs I just listed? VITALITY BAND (220 dmg). Choice belt can too with 240 dmg but ask yourself why do you need the extra 20 damage when there is literally no Vs that are even remotely played with 230HP and 240 doesn’t exist on a basic V. But get this, here’s the list of Pokemon in the meta game that Vitality band KOs (220 dmg) and choice belt (210 dmg to non V) can not: Chien Pao ex, Iron leaves ex, iron valiant ex, both miridon exs, and sandyshocks ex. At 2 prizes taken I’m sure you can surely guess how many Vstars in the current meta game choice belt KOs (270 dmg). If you answered absolutely none then you’re correct. So after 3 prizes are taken how many Vstars in the meta is vitality band KOing (280 dmg)? The exact same amount that choice belt can KO (300 dmg) and just like before you have an extra 20 damage that doesn’t matter because no Vstars exceeds 280HP. And like I mentioned before vitality band (280 dmg) does just a little more by being able to KO Pidgeot ex (280 hp) in the mirror match. Now when there’s 4-5 prizes taken choice belt (330 dmg/360 dmg to Vs) no longer matters because there’s no VMAXs played, but if there was one VMAX that might get played in a niche deck it would probably be regileki vmax (310 hp) . Oh wait vitality band KOs (310 dmg) it too. So choice belt is really useless at this stage while vitality band can still reach you KOs against (admittedly) niche Pokemon like Gengar ex (310 hp), meowscrada ex (310 hp), and Torterra ex (340 hp). So when it comes to the current meta game, the only thing that vitality band can’t do that choice belt can is KO Raikou V at no prizes taken. In every single other scenario vitality band does the same or better than the choice belt. So continue playing choice belt in your zard deck if you love to play cards that are strictly worse.
@@austinbelitz3808 Going to be honest... not reading your 25 chapter novel. If youre worries about iron leaves, chien-pao, ect., then that's what maximum belt it for
@@lxmercyxl9982oh I’m not worried about them. I’m just saying band can KO them and choice belt cannot while band KOing everything that choice belt already does. But anyway have fun doing 20 more meaningless damage than my band
For the Tool items, i feel like 1-Max, 1-Defiance, 2-TM Evo is always the optimal line. You ALWAYS want to go second, you always want to find TM Evo, and it puts your opponent in a bad spot because if they KO the active, you Defiance return KO. If they hold off, you can Max Belt aggressively. Choice Band gets Objectively worse every time a new EX deck hits the format. Vitality Band is good against does nothing for the Mirror, it can hit Pao after they take one prize, but they will likely do that before you take a prize anyway, so Defiance is still better. It allows you to hit VStar’s after 3 prizes, so there might be situations where Defiance isn’t live, but Defiance also allows return KO’s on things like Gholdengo at 2 prizes if they KO an early Charizard, or Charizard after 4 prizes.
Until I saw your deck list here, I have not seen a possible idea for a good enough counter to Great Tusk, as well as a related Miss Fortune Sisters Stall Lax. But now, when I saw your decklist, I decided to test it, after subbing one of the three Bibarels from Briliant Stars on your list with the Bibarel from Pokémon GO with the ability to guard the deck from getting milled, as well as one of your Ionos and one of your Boss's orders w/ Gastly and Gengar w/ the switching ability, respectively, and the Bibarel surely blocked Miss Fortune Sisters from discards! If not for that anti-milling Bibarel, I believe I would've lost vs. Stall Lax, not to mention that I would've lost to Tusk sooner rather than post-Bibarel KO after Tusk was forced to get two more energy(than the two it needs to try and mill) to damage my Bibarel to KO it. :)
Honestly, I love the Gouging Fire tech with a Choice Belt. Great way to preserve your Zards and one shot mostly anything in this format as an early game attacker.
I was thinking about making a deck where delphox, zard, and gouging fire tag team. Delphox for early game knockouts, gouging fire to handle the bigger mons, and zard for late game cleanup but idk if it’s worth it
Thoughts on TM Devo for the PidgeZard? Do you just not see the room in here or do you think maximum belt is enough? I know they will be running mist energy, but if they arnt set up with that then it can be very devastating for them right?
Not searchable I assume. Mist Energy is beneficial but it’s real value comes from being a free search due to pidgeot. Without pidgeot, it’s a random I searchable one that you’re unlucky to see when you actually need it.
I feel like Entei V would be better in that role as it does something the entire game and is just tanky enough to be super annoying. But I really just love entei V
@@AT-il2ej i think that is fair for most matchups I was thinking specifically about 1 way I saw eapathra ex being played that would require 4 energy for entei to attack leading to a revenge KO next turn where as char ex would only need 2 making it a 2 turn KO
You only go into zard. Shouldn’t be benching anything else. They can’t kill your zard. You set up 2 zards. That match is slow anyways so doesn’t matter how long it takes you to setup just gotta win game 1
Looking for help please! I have been farming credit by purchasing Celebrations packs in the game using crystals. I usually buy the six pack bundle for 1120 crystals. I noticed a 16 pack bundle for 3500 with a coin and gold cards. Which is a better value ?
I just bought prime catcher for my charizard deck but... does this mean that I should have gotten maximum belt instead? X_X (I'm new to the game) And I want to play Charizard but... Bibarel or Pigeot.. Prime catcher or Maximum belt? I have so many questions..
It's a matter of preference, both versions and ace specs are good! I personally prefer bibarel version with prime catcher. Pidgeot has free retreat, so prime catcher would be "just" a free boss's orders. For bibarel, it can be quite hard to retreat it if it's active, so prime catcher works as a boss's orders+switch. It has the mobility that charizard ex needs for the bibarel deck.
I wouldn't take videos or builds like this as "absolute" truths that are the only way to play the deck, of course some things like the 4 Arven or 4 Charmander, you will want to listen and keep the same, but you can do an analysis of maybe 5 or so decks on the top of the list and see what they're doing. Point being, some of these things are a matter of playstyle and preference. Give both the Pigeot and Bidoof decks a try, and see which you prefer! Learning why something is put in the deck is important as a beginner, because then you can make your own calls to potentially change things around a bit to your liking. But that takes time and experience with the game.
What if you keep the TM Evolution and run both Bibarel and Pidgeot (while running 4 rare candy). Get the draw power with skwovet and bibarel, but the emergency pull with Pidgeot (running 2&2 bib and pidg)
I ran my zard deck with both Pidgeot and bibarel worked nice today got 2nd place but it was a last min build lol I definitely would just go for one or the other next time around
I’m def looking forward to BBP so I can cut back on Nest Balls. I’ve been trying to find space for a Hisuian Heavy Ball but cutting mon search feels so bad. I’m currently running 2 Lost Vaccuum to counter Snorlax Stall’s defensive tools but that might be overkill.
It's not that broken. I've been beating it pretty consistently on live with my post rotation Roaring Moon ex build. Granted I love this game because you can have the best deck ever and still lose if you don't know how to play it properly, which might be what's happening against the zard decks I've been beating.
10:05 against future hands you can just gust iron crown, it's weak to dark
Personally I like the maximum belt and choice belt combo. Deal extra damage to EX and V pokemon
Vitality band is the better option over choice belt. Just look at the scenarios. With no prizes taken by the opp choice belt doesn’t even get you to that 220 mark, which is where you wanna be to KO the most popular and played Vs like Tina, Lugia, and Arceus V. After the opp has taken one prize you can now KO those 220 HP Vs by doing 240 with choice belt. BUT vitality band gets you to 220 and not only are you KOing those Vs I mentioned but you’re also able to KO a plethora of popular 220 hp EXs like chien pao, miridon, iron valiant, iron thorns, iron crown etc. which you wouldn’t have been able to do with choice belt. Now in scenarios where the opp has taken 3 prizes, choice belt will get you to 300 allowing you to KO Vstars. BUT vitality band gets you to 280 allowing you to KO those Vstars too while also being able to KO pidgeot ex. Really the only time that choice belt is optimal in the meta is against Raikou and Raichu Vs in the early game when facing a miridon deck.
Edit: I just realized iron crown is weak to dark so disregard him in my analysis
@@austinbelitz3808 I still disagree, 10 extra damage is not worth it. With choice and maximum in your deck you are doing 30-50 extra damage to both EX and V cards, plus Charizard's extra 30 per prize card taken. Charizard can one shot most one prize cards without a prize taken or a tool added
@@lxmercyxl9982 The Max belt is in no matter what I’m not arguing that but I don’t think you’re understanding the math, rather you’re looking at it on a surface level. 30>10 is the only thing registering. Choice belt plays differently in every deck as the math is obviously different but we are talking about specifically in zard. So with that said, in the current meta game what V is Zard KOing with choice belt at no prizes taken (210 dmg)? The answer is only one, Raikou V (200HP), which will not see the same amount of play as it used to as the miridon ex deck took a big hit from rotation. Why is it only one you might ask? Because every single V that’s actually played in the meta game is 220 HP and I’ll list them all so you get the picture. Arceus V, Giratina V, Lugia V, Palkia V, and Dialga V. After one prize is taken guess what card would help you KO the Vs I just listed? VITALITY BAND (220 dmg). Choice belt can too with 240 dmg but ask yourself why do you need the extra 20 damage when there is literally no Vs that are even remotely played with 230HP and 240 doesn’t exist on a basic V. But get this, here’s the list of Pokemon in the meta game that Vitality band KOs (220 dmg) and choice belt (210 dmg to non V) can not: Chien Pao ex, Iron leaves ex, iron valiant ex, both miridon exs, and sandyshocks ex. At 2 prizes taken I’m sure you can surely guess how many Vstars in the current meta game choice belt KOs (270 dmg). If you answered absolutely none then you’re correct. So after 3 prizes are taken how many Vstars in the meta is vitality band KOing (280 dmg)? The exact same amount that choice belt can KO (300 dmg) and just like before you have an extra 20 damage that doesn’t matter because no Vstars exceeds 280HP. And like I mentioned before vitality band (280 dmg) does just a little more by being able to KO Pidgeot ex (280 hp) in the mirror match. Now when there’s 4-5 prizes taken choice belt (330 dmg/360 dmg to Vs) no longer matters because there’s no VMAXs played, but if there was one VMAX that might get played in a niche deck it would probably be regileki vmax (310 hp) . Oh wait vitality band KOs (310 dmg) it too. So choice belt is really useless at this stage while vitality band can still reach you KOs against (admittedly) niche Pokemon like Gengar ex (310 hp), meowscrada ex (310 hp), and Torterra ex (340 hp). So when it comes to the current meta game, the only thing that vitality band can’t do that choice belt can is KO Raikou V at no prizes taken. In every single other scenario vitality band does the same or better than the choice belt. So continue playing choice belt in your zard deck if you love to play cards that are strictly worse.
@@austinbelitz3808 Going to be honest... not reading your 25 chapter novel. If youre worries about iron leaves, chien-pao, ect., then that's what maximum belt it for
@@lxmercyxl9982oh I’m not worried about them. I’m just saying band can KO them and choice belt cannot while band KOing everything that choice belt already does. But anyway have fun doing 20 more meaningless damage than my band
For the Tool items, i feel like 1-Max, 1-Defiance, 2-TM Evo is always the optimal line.
You ALWAYS want to go second, you always want to find TM Evo, and it puts your opponent in a bad spot because if they KO the active, you Defiance return KO. If they hold off, you can Max Belt aggressively.
Choice Band gets Objectively worse every time a new EX deck hits the format.
Vitality Band is good against does nothing for the Mirror, it can hit Pao after they take one prize, but they will likely do that before you take a prize anyway, so Defiance is still better. It allows you to hit VStar’s after 3 prizes, so there might be situations where Defiance isn’t live, but Defiance also allows return KO’s on things like Gholdengo at 2 prizes if they KO an early Charizard, or Charizard after 4 prizes.
Vitality band is good against more decks in the meta imo. Like Tina, lugia, arceus, chien pao etc.
I also think defiance band has better synergy with counter catcher since you can gust ko
Until I saw your deck list here, I have not seen a possible idea for a good enough counter to Great Tusk, as well as a related Miss Fortune Sisters Stall Lax. But now, when I saw your decklist, I decided to test it, after subbing one of the three Bibarels from Briliant Stars on your list with the Bibarel from Pokémon GO with the ability to guard the deck from getting milled, as well as one of your Ionos and one of your Boss's orders w/ Gastly and Gengar w/ the switching ability, respectively, and the Bibarel surely blocked Miss Fortune Sisters from discards! If not for that anti-milling Bibarel, I believe I would've lost vs. Stall Lax, not to mention that I would've lost to Tusk sooner rather than post-Bibarel KO after Tusk was forced to get two more energy(than the two it needs to try and mill) to damage my Bibarel to KO it. :)
Why don't use Energy Search? With Arven you can easily set the table for a tm evo if you have already a poffin in hand
He remembered to show the amount of energys in the decks👀👀
Honestly, I love the Gouging Fire tech with a Choice Belt. Great way to preserve your Zards and one shot mostly anything in this format as an early game attacker.
Any deck list...I just bought a Gouging Fire but not sure how to fit it in?
I was thinking about making a deck where delphox, zard, and gouging fire tag team. Delphox for early game knockouts, gouging fire to handle the bigger mons, and zard for late game cleanup but idk if it’s worth it
Thanks Azul, so pumped for rotation and playing the new decks.
Thoughts on TM Devo for the PidgeZard? Do you just not see the room in here or do you think maximum belt is enough? I know they will be running mist energy, but if they arnt set up with that then it can be very devastating for them right?
In my format (Asia) TM devo is too slow. So i just use tm evo instead.
Any reason why you skipped mist energy in this list compared to the pidgeot list?
Not searchable I assume. Mist Energy is beneficial but it’s real value comes from being a free search due to pidgeot. Without pidgeot, it’s a random I searchable one that you’re unlucky to see when you actually need it.
I suppose you could Cryptomaniac/ Bib for it
Do you prefer the other Charizard deck you´ve build or this one?
Any value in a 1 of char ex from 151 and magma basin to deal with some of the grass hate for char?
I feel like Entei V would be better in that role as it does something the entire game and is just tanky enough to be super annoying.
But I really just love entei V
@@AT-il2ej i think that is fair for most matchups I was thinking specifically about 1 way I saw eapathra ex being played that would require 4 energy for entei to attack leading to a revenge KO next turn where as char ex would only need 2 making it a 2 turn KO
Entei v for the draw power too.
what do you do against alolan vulpix vstar? just gust around it?
If it's a big problem maybe just add a iron bundle?
@@IvyWall or gouging fire?
@@boxkid759 both work, probably up to preference
@@IvyWall I'm not a fan of preference. I'm more about playing what is correct instead of incorrect.
Is not convenient a Magma Basin? Stadium?
I've been testing against snorlax stall and bib gets counter catcher in the active how does zard get around stall?
the strategy is to concede to Snorlax
You can tech Gengar for the switch ability if you have a heavy snorlax stall in your area
You only go into zard. Shouldn’t be benching anything else. They can’t kill your zard. You set up 2 zards. That match is slow anyways so doesn’t matter how long it takes you to setup just gotta win game 1
Looking for help please! I have been farming credit by purchasing Celebrations packs in the game using crystals. I usually buy the six pack bundle for 1120 crystals. I noticed a 16 pack bundle for 3500 with a coin and gold cards. Which is a better value ?
Nope
hey can u give ur take on snorlax stall azul plz ?
You can do Snorlax and Lost box
How much do you think Prime Catcher will drop in price?
Like 20 eur Till euic, then it may drop to like 15 and then we get it. In box or something like that 😅
You should do some live gameplay videos to test these future builds.
What about a Pidgeot V with FSS?
100HP Charmeleon stays alive against greninja if you haven’t found Manaphy yet.
I'm struggling against Chien-pao, help me!
I just bought prime catcher for my charizard deck but... does this mean that I should have gotten maximum belt instead? X_X (I'm new to the game) And I want to play Charizard but... Bibarel or Pigeot.. Prime catcher or Maximum belt? I have so many questions..
It's a matter of preference, both versions and ace specs are good! I personally prefer bibarel version with prime catcher.
Pidgeot has free retreat, so prime catcher would be "just" a free boss's orders. For bibarel, it can be quite hard to retreat it if it's active, so prime catcher works as a boss's orders+switch. It has the mobility that charizard ex needs for the bibarel deck.
I wouldn't take videos or builds like this as "absolute" truths that are the only way to play the deck, of course some things like the 4 Arven or 4 Charmander, you will want to listen and keep the same, but you can do an analysis of maybe 5 or so decks on the top of the list and see what they're doing. Point being, some of these things are a matter of playstyle and preference. Give both the Pigeot and Bidoof decks a try, and see which you prefer! Learning why something is put in the deck is important as a beginner, because then you can make your own calls to potentially change things around a bit to your liking. But that takes time and experience with the game.
how would you handle against tm devo?
The new melon
What if you keep the TM Evolution and run both Bibarel and Pidgeot (while running 4 rare candy). Get the draw power with skwovet and bibarel, but the emergency pull with Pidgeot (running 2&2 bib and pidg)
Sounds way to crowded
You don't need it one or the other
Just run 1 bidof and 1 biba in zard pidgeot if you want, i tried it is not bad
I ran my zard deck with both Pidgeot and bibarel worked nice today got 2nd place but it was a last min build lol I definitely would just go for one or the other next time around
azul: codebreaker sucks
also azul: gang, let me tell you about codebreaker in this charizard deck
Crazy to see how this deck has and continues to change over time
Lol nice to see someone else using more than 1 charmeleon I use 2 as well
I wonder why anybody plays this version every deck list that I see is with pigey so I want to play pigey too no?
Awesome video
What is up you...
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Rolling rhyperiors
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Or whimsical whimsicotts 👀
THE RING IS BACK!
isnt level ball coming back!
No
@@boxkid759 next expansion
@@intell0 no it's not. What are you talking about?
I’m def looking forward to BBP so I can cut back on Nest Balls. I’ve been trying to find space for a Hisuian Heavy Ball but cutting mon search feels so bad.
I’m currently running 2 Lost Vaccuum to counter Snorlax Stall’s defensive tools but that might be overkill.
No way 🦫 Zard is better than pidgeZard in a format without Path…
Better against Iono/hand disruption, and with Prime Catcher it'll be easier than ever to gust the Pidgeot.
But, Iron hands
@@Iniciando_partida what about it? It’s easier to amp you very much a bibbarrel than Pidgeot but
@@edwarddaignault5243 Pidgeot is still better, if you get iono’d just grab a research or whatever you need with quick search
Bruh pidgeot has lightning weakness. They get to amp the pidgeot for 3 prizes as long as they have one crown or the booster energy
It's not that broken. I've been beating it pretty consistently on live with my post rotation Roaring Moon ex build. Granted I love this game because you can have the best deck ever and still lose if you don't know how to play it properly, which might be what's happening against the zard decks I've been beating.
BeeeeeBarrel
Do you blind first or second?
2nd. TM Evo screams "I want to go second"
No energy? Lol
Energy are at the end.
First
second
This deck is trash
True
Nah 3/3 bibarel is wacky and bad lmao
source: just trust me dude
You're bad.
Because… why?
Não