Elon Musk responds: Report claims Tesla cancelled $25,000 car because of fierce Chinese competition
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- Опубликовано: 28 май 2024
- Elon Musk responds: Report claims Tesla cancelled $25,000 car because of fierce Chinese competition
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How long until Reuters says their account was hacked and it's a false report.
I doubt that will happen. They have internal documents and low level sources but the lie is the narrative they have constructed around the facts.
Fake news! :)
lol
We need tariffs to protect innovation against state-sponsored corporate espionage and authoritarian human rights abuses. There are spies within Tesla.
Yes, Reuters has a long history of deliberate manipulation and lying, false reports, hacking claims and lawsuits for deceiving their readers 🙄
Reuters thinks today's April's Fools Day!!!
This is the type of situation the SEC should be investigating.
Yes, because Reuters made a billion shorting TSLA.
@@howardj602Good, they will find the same as the last time, sue Elon and he will make a billion in profit from the false accusations. Perfect!
@@howardj602 I am just as much lying as Reuters. So: sue me.
@@wolfgangpreier9160 Well played.
@@howardj602 Yes, of course, just as everybody else on social media.
What did you expect?
Reuters should be investigated for fraud. They are not believable on any count, but may be trying to manipulate stock prices.
Musk always blames other people. Reuters reporting has been spot on. It Musk that is the serial liiar.
Interesting. How many scandals and lawsuits has Reuters been involved with for deliberately lying to their readers?
Never trust Elon
Elon basically confirmed it with August robotaxi announcement.
@@reginald7214Yes, absolutely. I agree with you 100%. My comment was subtle (maybe too subtle) sarcasm to OP for claiming Reuters can’t be believed on any count. The irony is beyond thick. Reuters is infinitely more credible than Elon, and while no publication is perfect, it’s still one of the most credible sources of information we have.
Someone is getting sued over this. I don’t know who but someone is clearly lying.
Space karen 🙄
lol, but nobody sued Musk over Teslas going up in value, or Tesla semi replacing trains? This is a lot more believable.
It’s true
sued for what damages?? .. hurt feelings ??
It would make sense if you think about it. China is lost for Tesla as a growth market. NEV's are 50% there and their market share went down this year and they already have 25k models and they go more nationalistic all the time. In Europe the competition would be fierce as all automakers compete in this compact car segment. And US customers don't really buy such cars in great numbers as 80% of the market is trucks and SUV. So yeah, Tesla could make this 25k car but the sales would not be spectacular anywhere. And you need to keep in mind that Tesla is very inflexible when it comes to production. Once they committed to a model, they need to sell a lot of them to recoup their investments made to the "production line" with Gigacasting and the likes it's not easy to adjust. That's why they sell the same cars for several years, Model 3 and Y because it's not easy for them to pivot.
Keep healing and keep reporting, Sam!
Thanks Mate!
Stock manipulation as well as insider trading on fraudulent reports is a no-no.
That only applies to Elon.
and nothing will be done about it as usual
There seems to be endless attacks and lies aimed at Tesla. Many would be from oil companies and legacy auto, but you also have traders shorting the stock spreading negative narrative s.
Yes, just ask Elon who well knows who the SEC is. His statements also affect stock. He's been fined for it in the past.
Why would Tesla build an entire new unboxed production line to build robotaxis and not also make them to sell to the general public?
Sadly both parties aren't exactly known for telling the truth. Otherwise this would be easy to dismiss.
Yes, Elon never tells the truth, you are completely correct.
Ahh: Let’s not forget: Two weeks, then Tesla is bankwupt. Do NOT forget!
Potential market manipulation.
Stock fell to $161, then recovered.
SEC asleep?
Reuters changed ownership a few years ago and has become a joke since
Reuters has a very active fact-check office, and you can question their accuracy at any time day or night. Just go to their website. But come with facts not speculation.
@@oscarjohnson9156do you work for Democrats lol?
@@vilesterever since Elon said he no longer supported the Democrats we have seen constant attacks on his company's. I wonder why🤔
@@oscarjohnson9156 Yea right I'm been shocked at the false or misleading stories they have put out in the last few years it ant your daddy's reuters.
@@oscarjohnson9156 So the CEO of the company says its a lie and you say they fact checked story 🤪
Reuters is spreading FUD.
get well soon mate
Reuters should be sued for this, lot of people lost a lot of money because an irresponsable news company said this without checking. And btw where is the SEC?
In meetings with the Federalist Society, why?
Musk sues everyone he distress with. But it's Musk that is the usual liar.
Hang on a minute, there's one person with an even bigger mouth, that hurts the stock much more...
Sec busy fact checking Elizabeth warrior wild goose chase!!
Without checking? They asked Tesla for comment and they refused.
Elon debunked it on @X already.
Ha! It’s Jesse!!! What’s up buddy
Yet he doesn't debunk misinformation and conspiracy theories 🤔
Maybe so, but can you REALLY trust "X" any more than you can trust Truth Social? Or Facebook, Tik Tok, Twitter's English cousin Twaddle, etc.? Just follow the R&D money. The 2 is coming, even if just as a test case for unstaffed Optifactories...
There will be ONE guy with a big-ass Red Button. He can't just pull the plug, Optimus has its own power. So - a huge - but local - EMP (electromagnetic pulse) generator to fry the Oppies in place...
"Debunked", or just flat out lied? Lol.
I bought more on the dip with the fake news / FUD. 😂
Same here😊
Me too, a great opportunity!
Barely any dip. What price did you buy?
My limit-buy order for 5 shares was triggered at $165. Been buying for 3 years. My avg buy price now $208, with 130 total shares and counting!
@@billpole just feels too early. This is just a “meh” dip.
One scenario that makes sense was that the $25k was cancelled in order to make robotaxis instead.
Aside from the price, Tesla simply needs smaller cars to compete in markets where the 3 and Y are too big. Here in France I talk daily with people who will never buy a 3 because it's lacking a hatch version, and the Y is seen as gigantic.
BYD makes electric buses in California for years
And they sell everyone they make. There are other companies doing School Bus. I thin another is in one of the Carolinas.
Sam, you are way too polite.
Oh yeah Mr Sam…. I hate u .. only reason is u don’t care if I do or not so he’ll might as well yehehe
@@sparkysho-ze7nm English version please
Reuters needs to make an apology soon...
Personally, I believe Reuters more than Elon. Reuters is nearly always right; Elon, not so much.
@@krakken-disagree
@@krakken- They have been lying so many times and deleting their own news I lost count. It's basically a FUD generator at this point... I believe more CNN than Reuters ... which says a lot about them...
@@jackarnold3290 OK. Check out Tesla stock price for the past 3 years and see how much investors believe in Elon. He has gone down the krazy path...
@@krakken-Reuters have lost all their credibility in recent years. They are just one of the many corporate media outlets that have been corrupted by their owner's financial interests.
God bless you for all the hardwork that you do
The robotaxi business is ten times that of selling model 2 at $25000
The Robotaxi business will be CRAZY! But it is a few years off
@@travisjazzbo3490sooner, hopefully
There is no robotaxi business.
So is the stock pumping business. There is no robotaxi and probably won't be in our lifetime.
I agree with Sam. I wonder about Reuters?
So the Taxpayer Bailouts of legacy auto... those *weren't* subsidies. Nevermind all the government subsidies supplied to the Fossil Fuel Industry.
That's an understatement.
Fossfuel and legacy subsidies dwarf bev subsidies.
Cause Mary led an it matters tehehe
The government must continue to force burning fossil fuel. They can not afford to lose the money from big oil and big car.
Look around you, what was delivered or transported by a truck using fuel subsidies? Fuel goes up, everything goes up. Everyone enjoys lower oil prices, someone making $114K got a bigger discount than someone making $70K when buying a $28K car. We already had price drops of $5400-7000 when subsidies was set to end, a person making $70K could have saved more with $7000 discount.
Fossil fuels are NOT subsidized. Oil companies get the same deductions as every other company, like Apple, Walmart, and Whirlpool.
Anything following the phrase "Elon Musk says" must be treated with a significant degree of skepticism.
Signed,
Model 3 owner, Model Y owner, & former holder of TSLA equity
I'm seeing so much negative media about EV's, negative social media, yet the increase in the amount of Teslas (and to a lesser extent BYDs) I'm seeing on Australian roads has been incredible. Only a couple of years ago I would spot a Tesla now and then, now they are everywhere. I agree Sam, something fishy going on, seems to be an anti- EV propaganda campaign being drummed up from somewhere.
I believe it's inevitable that EV's will take over. Electric motors are incredibly simple, efficient & trouble free compared to combustion engines. We don't run our home washing machine, fans, air con etc with combustions engines, we don't run our angle grinders, drills etc with little combustion engines. Combustion engines have been needed for portable power. My old 2 stroke line trimmer was a pain, sometimes start ok, other days a nightmare to get going. My electric Makita line trimmer never gives me a problem.
Now that battery technology has got to the stage that the battery pack (ie BYD blade) will outlast the car, the future for combustion engine cars is not good. My only worry is that EV companies might be tempted build in some sort of obsolescence if people start to keep their EV's for too many years.
The engine is efficient but the cars are not. They are basically designed as heave bricks for the road with Tesla being the only manufacturer which actually takes efficiency seriously. This is the only car I’d ever consider buying if going electric and I personally despise Elon the man child.
Ps. The battery has build in obsolescence has it not? 10 years? It’s basically chemistry.
@@10secondsrule I know the byd lifepo4 batteries are getting 700,000- 800,000 kms in Chinese taxis. I'm not sure how this would translate to years in a family car doing much less kms per year, due to resting battery degradation. Even the Teslas with 21700 battery technology are reportably getting over 400,000 kms. Obviously these cars must be driving high kms per year. Again I'm not sure how many years this would be in a car driven less due to resting degradation of the cells.
However personally I would choose a car powered with lifepo4 cells for the longevity and better safety.
And yes, how well will the rest of the car hold together is another question.
good job on the audio, much better now!
Short sellers, yes; legacy auto company, yes but mostly the US and European Unions.
The number of people getting butt hurt because you reported on this is comical, considering you’re putting the record straight I don’t have a problem with that! Thanks for the info.
Why don't you got to the Reuter's site and see what they actually said.
I’ll be buying more stock on Monday… thanks for the info!!!
Didn't Elon recently say just the opposite ?
Reuters has included elons fake story quote and is not taking down the story. Looks like no retraction of news story by Reuters coming.
When Elon has a Model 2 with FSD drive itself to the CEO's home as a request for retraction...
@thesoundsmith Model 2 will block the CEO’s driveway until the CEO posts a public apology and retraction.
That didn't age too well.
@@davidbrayshaw3529 True. Reuters issued a retraction and then put out a pointless insulting article on Elon the next day because they were b*tthurt.
BYD Seaggull is 10k USD in China, so maybe 15k in US. BYD quality is really good, they are dumping prices hard, trying to take over.
There’s a way to tell if Reutersbis lying; they’re moving their lips
Applies to Elon as well.
Musk just CONFIRMED the Reuters story and announced the Robotaxi thing. Claims unveiling will be Aug 8!!! 😂🤣
The compact car is a must. And the Reuters story is a hit job. A poorly conceived one at that.
Correct on the first point but a little off the mark with your second point.
Why sell a car for $19,500 when you xan rent it out for $98,650 in profit over 3 years?
You know when things are bad when Elon's Minions start to talk about "Robotaxi".
They do not have anything else they can talk about.
You haven't received the latest edition of "Cult Monthly", have you? It is considered blasphemy to mention undelivered "products" unless that product is Optimus.
Been a long, long time since Elon spoke any truth. TSLA in death spiral.
With respect Reuter is one of the most respected news agencies in the world. They quote three internal sources in their article. I have no ax to grind and am all for an electric future, but to dismiss this report as if it an article from Hello Magazine is a bit much on Elon say so😮
The truth is I love my MY !
I’ll never buy an ICE car again !
Of course not. But i hope to be able and allowed to switch to a Cybertruck sometimes. I am still waiting for it to be imported to Europe.
Well we cant all afford an EV and personally I dont want one.
@@davidlewis4399 You want to continue burning fossil fuel, polluting your environment and hurting your children.
That is - of course - your perfect manmade right.
@@davidlewis4399 David … I’m curious - Why ?
@@davidlewis4399 EV’s are cheaper to run than an ICE car , are you sure you’ve done the maths ?
As a person who cannot afford any current Tesla while wishing I could, the cheap Tesla was my dream. Can't imagine Tesla would cancel it!
Do not think you should worry. If Tesla does Not make a $25K car In China, that would not affect us in America.
This $25,000 car is just as likely as that $40,000 pickup.
According to the Q1 report they produced far more than they sold, so of course they will have a large inventory.
This really sucks. An affordable Tesla is what everyone wants. Share price down 3.2% just today
Petroleum companies
We wouldn't have EV's without them.
I suspect a stripped down Model 3 reworked as a true hatchback could be a $30 K car.
Sure, but that is not what is Tesla is doing - they are building a Honda Civic type platform that will sell for $24000 for base models. Its assembly methods and battery technology have been revealed already. It is a car platform for multiple vehicles - maybe car, van, half ton pickup and robotaxi. The internal communications were probably to do with which one to produce first (robotaxi). Nothing has been cancelled.
Model 3 is ancient design now.
Next generation design introduces so many new & efficient concepts, designed for larger numbers.
I’m hoping the skin isn’t painted sheet steel.
@@michaelnurse9089 Model 2...Cancelled.
2 things
1. short sellers as you say
2. As Elon said, best part is no part!
3. There is a better way! $12000 US dollars retail price EV is possible.
Producing a cheaper EV does not offer the same cost savings that making a cheaper ICE car does for a manufacturer, if you still want to offer the same mileage.The reason being of course is the battery cost and size does not change.And the cheaper LIP batteries have a lower energy density,
The only way to make a lower cost EV is to produce a no frills model
I’ve never seen this guy make a video this fast he is definitely heavily invested
No 5h!t Sherlock! All the Tesla channels are exactly the same. None of them report facts, they're just there to pump stock.
I would bet on these reasons:
1. They've improved gigacastings for bottoms so vastly (forward with back-seats bottoms) that new format is not needed, combined with structural batterypack / roadrunner fabrication mode.
2. Improvement curve for stainless steel doesn't go up fast enough, doesn't go well with robots yet,
3 same with in-house built batteries (CATL''s progress) so packs cannot be that short.
The smarter thing to do is to make the Model 3 a $25,000 car, and the model Y a $35,000 car. While introducing new higher end models.
Fleets of driverless Robotaxis are many years away. There are too many special conditions.
You know that, I know that, but try convincing the shareholders.
I don’t disagree with you Sam, but outside of North America the Chinese EV companies will be dominant. I’d always assumed the Model 2 would be a global car design, this could effect the design of a future low cost EV, and certainly effect the amortisation of the R&D. I think the current Model 2 development might have gone “back to the drawing board”.
In China, Model 2 would have to be a lot cheaper than $25k anyway, to compete with what's being produced there.
The CEO needs to reassure investors and potential small EV buyers. There is some truth to it.
Does everyone remember when Elon posted “going private at $420”?
The SEC sued him as they stated “stock holders were harmed”, he had to pay millions.
So when is the SEC going to sue Reuters?
Tesla can sue them when they're proven wrong. How far off that will be is the only question.
Actually, news has just come through. Tesla is axing the model 2. No suing Reuters just yet.
@@johnsmith-cw3wo noEl skuM?
Cheers mate good night Sam
Morning
Thanks for being the first to comment on this! I saw the Reuters headline. Maybe Elon is so positive about FSD that he has decided to scrap the steering wheel and go with a Model 2 self driving car? Thanks, and get some sleep!!
Thanks Sam.
Unless they officially announce this is all rumors
When competition is keen, the more Tesla should move to 25k car. It helps to capture a different segment of the market which is more budget conscious and can't afford current models.
I'm smelling massive lawsuit!
You might want to do a quick Google search as to the future of the model 2. Top tip: There'll be no lawsuit today.
If Toyota can make the Prius Prime in the USA next year and get a 7500 tax credit next year for 25000, it probably be a better-selling car than an EV at 25000.
I think a sub $20k car with varying degrees of sophistication for different markets is what is needed. Even if FSD works in the US it will take some years to develop and get approved for other markets so a Robocalls Taxi is only the US market as it stands now??
Like that song from back in the day says
BUY BUY BUY !
BYE BYE!
i cant believe you confronted him to his face like that
New media creed: “If Tesla’s bleedn’, it’s leadn’!”
Time to get ready to buy more stock in the dip
It's a bloody big dip, this one.
@@davidbrayshaw3529 so far I have "only" lost 29% on Tesla. Could have been 30% :)
25000 car, tested with real people, then FSD tested with users, then Taxi maybe 2030.
It's not the first or last time Reuters lie
BYD says they're going to sell the Seagull in Mexico for $21k. So the Model 2 has to be $4k better than a Seagull. That might be doable. The Seagull isn't luxurious. But still, the pressure builds.
Just saying Reuters is lying doesn’t directly refute the main part of the story. The story said a lot of things. Lying about what, specifically?
Tesla will align their supply chain, press the start button and print those like Oreo cookies, naysayers will eat their ties. Legacy OEMs are in worse shape overall, massive debts, shaky sales, changes in pricing over the Mach-E showed it’s linked to pricing, not demand.
@@shayjohnson5830remember this post in a couple of years when you find out he is exactly right.
Sounds about like reality. And the competition is coming all over themselves. Poor Mister Porsche.
@@shayjohnson5830I think you live in some kind of bubble. Somewhere under the ice of Antarctica.
Get some rest, Viking. This is an encouraging video and let’s hope Reuters pays the price for peddling fake news AGAIN🎉
Hello mate its bloody tea time
Are you a vampire or something?
Dan Ives is a smart guy !
I think that the Model 2 was likely deprioritized to focus on the taxi. Delayed in a way that “sources” thought meant “scrapped.”
Elon Musk could have said something about the release date of the affordable car or said that there has been no change in plans. He did not.
Remember the fine folks leading Enron?
Tesla are making gains in battery each too, which about 30-40% of an EVs cost. Tesla’s aim right from the start I believe was a mass market, affordable EV. A fall in Tesla stock price means opportunity to top up on it.
You could Argue that Tesla Needs to Follow the VW Beetle Example.
Although the Obvious Difference is the Beetle was a Cheap Car, Plus Kind of Cute.
Therefore Don't Build the 25K Car, Drop the Price on the Model 3 and Model Y.
At the Same Time Increase Production of these Existing Car Plants.
I say do it.
I think it's a good opportunity to buy some more Tesla shares.
Sweet dreams, thank you
Get well soon Sam.
Well RoboTaxi comes first, cheap Tesla2 when production capasity ramps up enough to produce both…
A stock investor in Sweden, he is even calling himself the Tesla-Bear, says "Tesla will collapse, the stock will implode and go to $14 and Trsla might go bankrupt (with $30 billion USD in the bank?) and now this Reuter bullshit?
I think some legacy OEM are really desperate, but this has gone too far.
Did EM say that the first production of the model 2 would have a steering wheel? He needs to say this to settle the stock.
Of course! Would never had been profitable. As long as batteries are expensive, cheap EVs are not possible. But we might actually get cheap enough batteries in a few years though 😊😊
Reuters still exists? Where do they find people to run the teletype and fax machines?
Look, Tesla will be using the same battery packs that BYD, Geely and a few other Chinese EV companies use. The price differential between the rumored Tesla Model 2 and the Chinese cars will not be significant.
It’s not like Elon is a great believer in telling the truth.
I’d bet on Reuters here.
no musk and sandy had a conversation about the model 2 it is comming but perhaps not to china!
No, it's not, it's cancelled. Old Sandy's disclosed that he has a "commercial arrangement" with Tesla. He's a car salesman, now. Never believe a car salesman.
@@davidbrayshaw3529 yeah sandy is to friendly with tesla but even elon did do a model 2 announcement but yeah we still waiting for the roadster
This is probably true. Tesla won't "sell" the $25 k car to individuals. It will be produced, and in the muli-millions, but it will be reserved strictly for use as a robo-taxi vehicle.
You CAN'T buy one, but you can ride in one any time you like, just tap your app.
Goodnite
Time to sell Reuters shares!
Reuters is unreliable and not just for Teslas. Could be an attempt to manipulate stock price.
What do you think all these fanboys on RUclips do manipulate the stock price
Maybe Tesla staff discussed this, and ultimately Musk ruled against without telling everyone? But those discussing may have been relaying to Reuters reporters accurately?
But, it'll unlikely be $25,000, based on past Tesla-Musk announcements' pricing projections.
Unless Reuters are short sellers, why would Reuters be sued? They are a news agency?
Musk hasn’t unambiguously denied the story which is a concern.
He said they are lying and he drew attention to a tweet speculating that the robotaxi and M2 would be built on the same platform.
Good night☺
Good night
Clearly, Wallstreet having no control over a company through it's finance is pissing them off, real hard... That they invent stories to try to influence the stock is despicable at best.