1)it was mighty fine if it had appeared before 1943 en masse as soviets still had many T-60/70 in service and even some T-26/BT-7 left. 2)the project is mostly sabotaged by ever present german kleptomany - take all military trophies to Germany for melting down... and then leave them in the field rusting away under the rain. Rearming hungarians, italians, romanians and finns with captured czech, french and soviet equipment should have been top priority for trophy management. Every man hour those nations invested into their own domestic projects that lead nowhere could have been better utilized making conversions/upgunning/uparmoring more modern trophy vehicles. It would have helped secure other fronts as well as increase morale and commitment of said nations. Thankfully for millions of Allied soldiers, who returned home, germans remained germans;)
Hi @coneofarc I love your channel! I'm in the industry and I really enjoy learning about the development cycles of historic tanks! I'm working on writing a channel that analyzes mass shootings and the last piece I need is a video editing software and filmora sounds great! My intent is to bring a deeper understanding to the topic that usually gets lost in the headlines and political posturing, to enhance both the public discourse on the topic and the survival knowledge of the average person. Thanks and keep up the great work!
"was like trying to cram a pool stick inside a backpack" - absolutely epic statement about trying to fit bigger guns in turrets that were designed for them, LOL!
Sound like no one have had experienced a pool elite friend to make that statement. The backpack just need to accept the pool stick being showed into it XD Like how Russian crews are showed into a T54 and the like. Really if the backpack is "made to fit" a long ass pool stick what's the problem? Outside of hitting door frames and getting on the bus that is :)
What gets me about french design is that they had a couple things down well, mostly the armor, but they where completely clueless about several other key features The most egregious of which was definitely the division of labor and larger turrets. The main reason I played War Thunder as long as I did was to experience the French prototypes that never saw service that actually fixed a pot of design problems mentioned.
Edit: ok i get it the lack of man power is a mith. Im still not gonna edit the comment below bcz im a lazy fuck, now leave me alone. Have a nice day! They were not completly clueless. 2 man tanks were the solution for a nation with no adult males left after WW1, after all you get a lot more tanks for just as much crew, even tho the commander is overworked with loading the gun, aiming, commanding the tank and using the rarely installed radio (the lack of a radio also makes sense, they did not want the germans to interfere, give false orders or get information from them. Flawed logic, but makes sense nevertheless). For the french government the pros of cheaper, more numerous tanks outweighed the cons of cramped and overworked crews
it's the true French way. They are often the most innovative arms designers, but with that innovation, they often wander into the wrong avenue of development. They thought ww1 tanks were the way to go (because they worked brilliantly) and made the best ww1- style tanks. But duh, turns out it was a wrong approach. They were some of the first to develop all-metal airplanes, but duh, they stuck with biplane design for too long. They were competing with British in naval tech, but through pure bad luck, their approach was again the bad approach.
French tanks in ww2 had some brilkiant engineering. It is actually extremely difficult to cast thick armor plates. The French did it first and well. Meanwhile other great powers couldnt do it until few years into the war.
French just try to do in the situation that she found herself in. Male population and economic downturn are the biggest problems leading to French tank design that we knew. 2 man tank to reduce crew require per tank to increases total tank number. WW1 guns due to lack of money and plenty of spare ammunition. (Biggest problems is doctrine and radio) Despite this France was still able to make some great improvements such as cast armor and others but still cannot overcome other shortcomings of the French armed force. We can only think about what next-generation French tank be if she can fight for another 2-3 years.
13:38 I'm from Slovakia, and all I was able to find out is that pictures of turret were taken by Romanian guy, and it was taken on Event called Reenactment That takes place every year in village named Stary Tekov. This event is reconstruction of fights that took place on River Hron. Where, by the Rumunian Sourceres in 26-27 march 1945, the 8of these variants of r35 were destroyed and 2 were Damadged
I feel like the tank itself is outmatched constantly, but the chassis is actually pretty good. From the looks of it, it could have been a good light tank/IFV.
Not really. The tank was not that bad at the beginning of the war, but it was slow, and use a drivetrain derived from a reconnaissance vehicle, the AMR35, which was optimized for road speed, at the expense of cross country capabilities. It had the worst of both worlds. The gun itself was taken from retired FT tanks, for economical reasons. The only reason it was bought in the first place is that it was cheap, and Renault could manufacture it in large numbers.
I feel like the best thing that could have been done with these hulls is putting short 75mm or similar howizter on them and using them as close/urban infantry support. Such a vehicle would have been outstanding in a situation such as stalingrad.
It’s actually rather interesting to learn about the minor nations of WWII Coz they had some rather interesting tank designs like Poland and it would be super cool to see them included more in video games kinda like how WoT has polish and Czechoslovakian tank tech trees
I would recommend going deeper in this topic as there are some really good tanks and prototypes. Like the hungarian panther kind of thing that I don't remember the name of.
From what I understand, the Polish tank program consted of the TKS tankette that was rather similar to the Italian CV-33 (both were based off of the same design) and the 7TP, a design based off of the Vickers 6 Tonne. They also had a few prototypes based off of but legally distinct from the Christie Tank that they were about to put into production. They would have been extremely similar to the Russian BT series due to being based on the same tank.
@@bomboclatlawg "Car de lupta" or "care de lupta" was the original designation of tanks in the romanian military and "car" or "care" means chariot,like those used by egyptians in battle in the times of ramses the second
@@petre5827 in fact, the term "car de lupta" was the term used by the Romanian army when referring to tanks or armored cars. At that time, the term tank had not yet been adopted as a specific name for armored vehicles in the army. In this case, "vanatorul de care" would be the tank hunter.
@@Zorro9129 no-no, you don't do walking UP to a tank, unless you are after a suicide. The method is, 1) you hide and move along in a trench line, noting where the tanks approach, preparing your grenades/cocktails, and aiming at any enemy infantrymen incoming close with the tanks. Don't stay in one place, just move randomly in the trenches, hiding down as you move. 2) as the tanks cross the trench line, they become vulnerable to infantry attacks , as they are basically blind and not protected from behind by the machine guns. This is when you follow it and set it's engine bay on fire! or in the absence of a Molotov cocktail, throw a few grenades under its caterpillar tracks. Same can be done from a side rather than from the back, if you're lucky to be nearby, so staying still in the trench, that is less risky. THE most important aspect during that action of course is to stay in cold mind, to remember that the steel monsters are still vulnerable, if you do it right. Any panic, and there is no chance for you.
This tank kind of ilustrates the romanian spirit. We often try to do our best with what we have, even if what we have is not really adequate. Thanks for the video man, content covering the fighting done by minor Axis on the Eastern Front is rare.
@@General_Rubenski The comic strip Dilbert has the fictional country, Elbonia in it. There was a series done by several You Tube streamers that said if "I was secretly a traitor but I was in charge of military aquisitions what would I buy for my military that looked good on paper, but would actually hamper our military.'
I don't think this tank fits into the "cursed by design" stereotype. At the time of its development, it was quite good. And certainly better than many other tanks at the time. If anything, I think the Romanian's should be commended on making it work for as long as they did.
While not cursed by design, beyond an inability to be upgraded, it was certainly cursed by fate, in being built by a nation that couldn't replace it. The thought of such a wee little vehicle prowling streets in earnest, contemporary to Panthers and Tigers must have been as unsettling to their occupants as it is astounding to us now.
@@ineednochannelyoutube5384 Thats simply not true. The tank was designed in 1933, and at that point, it was by no means bad. Technology moved very fast during the following twelve years though.
In the 30s, when it became obvious that tanks needed some antitank capability, tank designers thought that a tank would have to weight at least 20t to accomodate the 47mm SA 35. That is the reason why the 37mm SA 38 was designed in the first place. So, fitting a larger gun in the R35 was quite an achievement!
One man turret, abysmal visibility and crew ergonomic, overloaded commander, underpowered engine, no upgrade potential. It would have only been superior to tankettes. Without exaggeration it was the poorest adopted tank of the interwar years.
Immediately clicked as soon as this showed up, and I know it's gonna be good. Edit: Finished the video. It was as good as I expected. Can't wait for more. Especially about the Turan tank.
When i heard Vânătorul de care R-35 i imediat imagined a cart whit two horses which had R-35 painted on em and in the cart a squad of soldier armed whit anti tank rifles and molotov cocktails
I agree, I find these types of videos about niche tanks from axis minors very interesting, and due to coneofarc giving an in-depth look into them makes this very enjoyable to watch
Excited about a Maresal TD vid. Considering how Ro was getting roflstomped by OP Russia, the Maresal TD was actually a decent idea. It inspired the successful Hetzer. Also, the R35 next to a KT looks like a cute toy. At one point, the Ro crew must have have said: 'lol, we spawned reserve tank at high BR. GG'
Minor Axis countries:We need tanks Germany Germany:No *Germany starts losing eastern front Minor Axis countries:We REALLY need them Germany:.... Here are some outdated Czech and German tanks Romania:*scrapes together outdated french tanks because Germany doing nothing and Thier inability to produce Thier own tanks *Germany proceeds to only give Hungry Tigers while Minor Axis countries leaving the Axis or just get conquered by Russia
The funny thing is Hungary really got some tigers, but the germans didn't even want to hear about a licence version of the 75mm kwk 42 l/70. Such a confusion.
@@v-nem144 hungary did have a livense for the 7.5cm/L42, it disnt really need it though. It was domestically producing an 8cm AA gun in L50, L56 and L70 versions, as well as a 7.5cm/L31 AT gun, which could rather easily have recieved a longer barell.
Germany gave Romania some Panzer IV's and StuG III's. Go check out the Romanian 1st Armored Division "Romania Mare". This division saw it's last action in 1944, where the soviet union invaded Romania.
You realize that ONLY SWEDEN was selling them coal and that they had NOBODY giving them oil and ALL THEIR FUEL was synthetic fuel made from coal right (Fisher-Tropsch process)??? People even cut off LOANS to sweden because they once reloaned 43 million to the nazis after borrowing 45 million off the USA.
From my understanding, many of the Polish R35 tanks weren’t fully equipped as they were in mobilization at the time of the German attack. They used the tanks in a fighting retreat against the Soviets as they withdrew into Romania. There may have been some shipped via Romania as well to complete the order.
TIL that R35’s invaded the Soviet Union in the hands of Romania , sounds just about like a regular war thunder match. Also learned that R35 from France and R35 from Romania could both historically have faced a Maus if they were made in numbers. De care R35 definitely has its place in war thunder.
I am from România, and all I can say is that we always had less than other countryes when it comes to a conflict, but we manage to fight with what we had and most of the time we manage to win
Excellent presentation sir and well done. When fighting a war you use whatever is available to you. New or old, good or bad. You take it and fight. The bravery of the crews who took these onto battle cannot be denied!
Im romainian and i can say for sure if it wasan t the soviet troops the r35 tank hunter and DOMESTICALY R35 would have seen the Light of Day în upgrade terms and yes due to lack production of resources it was the Best thing of a bad situation. Thank you very much for your time and all hard work you put through to find all this info. Merry Christmas to you and all your family too😊
Good research and a well done video about a much lesser known tank hunter, also appreciating you commending the crews, cheers! Romania had a very limited armoured force both in numbers and quality, mostly light tanks, with Germany supplying 22 Pz III and IV in late 1942 (considered heavy tanks in Romanian inventory) and another 50 second hand LtVz 38s in 1943. Given that by late 1943 almost all these rather obsolete tanks had been lost, and Germany was still being a total miser, they had to do something, and this means hodgepodging - TACAM R-2, TACAM T-60 and the R-35 tank hunter. Germany had finally come to wits and supplied Romania with Stug IIIG's and Pz IV H's but it was a bit too little too late. Anyway, if you need a bit more info on Romanian tanks (both locally produced or of German origin), gimme a shout, I am working on a book project about Romanian armour. Good work, and keep it up!
Everyone: "Bigger guns!" The French: "Alors, what gun to put into our new tank mes amis?" "The shortest, naturellement! Everything else would destroy it's magnificent elegance!" "Très bien!" *Opens bottle of red wine*
Have ta say, ConeOfArc is right about them having balls of steel. 2 Bros in a bathtub, rolling towards monsters of war whom they could barley harm and they could just drive over them and crush em.
We have to remember something about tanks early in WW2 or those from the interwar period. WW1 was the basis, and tanks were not designed to fight other tanks. They were designed to supersede trenches and fronts. Once WW2 got rolling, tanks had to consider countering other tanks...but even then, that was not their primary role. They were(WW1 again) designed to support infantry and...most of all...provide mobility. The mere presence of the enemy spread panic. Almost all the early German panzers were light and worthless tank-to-tank...the shock of the Blitzkrieg was the fact they moved quickly, penetrating Allied lines...
An almost right movie. Congratulations! Some observations 1) Tanks were bought not confiscated from the polish goverment, which took shelter in Romania after the fall of Poland in 39. 2) Romania went at were with USSR, to recapture Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina, territories annexed by the soviets in 1940. 3) Romania was producing '45 ammunition. 4) Antonescu regime was not quite a fascist one.
Hey Cone, definitely the best of a bad situation. Macgyvering things together to get a little more use out of them has a long and storied tradition in warfare as you know. As far as usefulness, I think the Lebanese version with the 2pdr was probably the more formidable. You always hear about there being no good explosive round for the 2pdr, but wasn't it the same size ammunition as was used in the Pom Pom AA gun? Which obviously had to be an explosive fragmentation round.
May be a myth but I Understood that the HE shell for the 2pdr was dropped because an early try just shattered in the barrel with disastrous results for the gun (for the time, very high velocity, meets manufacturing flaw = split barrel). It was decided that as wartime manufacture would see a drop in quality, it was better not to bother putting crews in danger. Though it seems Australia did make an HE shell for their Matilda's late war. May have been better off using the also 40mm Bofors shells that were in production for the AA Guns that were the British Standard (though not sure of shell profile etc, which if off, could cause problems).
Well High explosive fragmentation rounds would work well with AA guns knowing that Planes have no armour or are basically made out of wooden frames, so I don't think it would work for Anti tank guns(unless you are going to use the tank like a SPAA
@@gotohyoshihisa3971 For anti personnel and use against anti-tank and machine gun placements for which a solid hunk of metal is not the best counter doesn't necessarily have to damage the gun at all as long as it damages the crew. Which is what British crews complained about not having.
The 2pdr pom pom ammunition was not compatible with the 2pdr anti tank gun, neither were compatible with the 40mm Bofors. My understanding is that there was a 2pdr HE round, but it wasn't used as it had such a tiny explosive charge (less than a hand grenade) to be not worth it
@@rorythomas9469 How to make the HE work step 1:reverse your tank into a ditch so that the tank guns are facing upwards step 2: hope that you could possibly hit a plane step 3:Marvel at this either ingernious or moronic idea
An outstanding video about a subject that had the potential to be pretty dry. Excellent from start to finish, thanks. I’ve always had a particular interest in twentieth century French armor, and it’s somewhat difficult to find quality presentations on the subject. Hope you plan to produce more like this one.
This should be added to the Italian tech tree in War Thunder as a premium or event vehicle at around 2.0 BR. This is an amazing representation of the struggles the smaller nations of WW2 faced constantly.
Having a smaller tank chassis can definitely be worked with, the Hetzer is a great example. Perhaps the small size and good gun ( but not a giant one) would be well suited to hidden, close up ambush . Unfortunately, its not always possible to choose when to fight.. so, all is compromise.
That orphaned turret looks normal, until you realize that one of the things on top of it is a normal-sized helmet! That tank must have been so cramped the crew had to climb out to change their mind.
Looks like a matchbox vs. a shoebox. r35vs.panther. I get scared shitless just thinking about what all them tankers had on their minds. Bless them all.
1)it was mighty fine if it had appeared before 1943 en masse as soviets still had many T-60/70 in service and even some T-26/BT-7 left. 2)the project is mostly sabotaged by ever present german kleptomany - take all military trophies to Germany for melting down... and then leave them in the field rusting away under the rain. Rearming hungarians, italians, romanians and finns with captured czech, french and soviet equipment should have been top priority for trophy management. Every man hour those nations invested into their own domestic projects that lead nowhere could have been better utilized making conversions/upgunning/uparmoring more modern trophy vehicles. It would have helped secure other fronts as well as increase morale and commitment of said nations. Thankfully for millions of Allied soldiers, who returned home, germans remained germans;)
@@michaelvonbiskhoff7771 I've meant R35, R40, H35 and H39. Germans captured them in 1940 and... pretty much abandoned them to training at best. Meanwhile Romania had spare parts production for them and tank school that specialized in that exact tank model. It was better off to provide your own allies with equipment that can be used now then allow it to rot and get obsolete somewhere in France in 1944. Likewise italians could have really used those B1bis and S35 in north Africa when M3 Lee first showed up. And on topic of B1 reliability, while during the war they were breaking down every 30 km, properly maintained B1 had made several propaganda tours during interwar period which easily crossed 200 km each without trouble. So yeah, if properly maintained, it could be a match for M3.
In 41 the somua factory called the axis powers to tell them that their new somua 40 was ready for production and an upgraded variant with 3 man turret and 47 sa 37 gun could be made, just imagine if germany had allowed somua to make tanks for the axis minor powers
Political and strategical reasons. Hitler did not want to depend on foreign countries, being them allies. And Germany badly needed captured equipment. Captured French tanks were used on the Eastern front during 41/42 winter, to make for the losses of Barbarossa. And, after that, German army made use of everything that had an engine, from cars, to aircrafts, to tanks, they can put their hands on. There were still French tanks in front line units as late as 1944. The 21st Panzer Div. in Normandy had some Somua S35 (along outdated Pz IVc). The unit was in the process of replacing them with Panther, but, still. Of course, German propaganda focused on the most impressive, German, tanks to boost morale, but many units still used hastily modified, if not outdated tanks, Polish machine guns, Czech rifles, Russian guns and... horsecarts.
Gotta say.. I'd love to see a video about the Sherman workhorse variants. They used them for plows, made landmine sweeper guards to put on them, mounted rocket launchers on the turrets, all kinds of crazy stuff. The Sherman is such a wonderfully simple tank..
For anyone wondering, before calling the original R35 a bad tank, it was designed as an "infantry support tank". This means it doesn't need to be much faster than infantry, it is supposed to fight light tank/artillery at most, it doesn't much more autonomy than infantry and so on. It answers well to bad constraints so the tank isn't really the issue. Also an reassembled French R35 is at the France 40 Véhicules museum (in France).
It wasnt even a good support tank. Partly because that doctrinal role is insane and impossible, but also because it lacked the situational awareness to effectively pursue an assault, lacked the destructive power to dislodge entrenched infantry, lacked the speed to exploit a breakthrough, and lacked any potential for future upgrades. If you must have an infantry tank you are better off with a matilda 2, or panzer 4.
@@ineednochannelyoutube5384 The R35 would sure have been much better with a 2 crew member turret. It lacked speed because it had to advance with infantry. But yeah making it bigger to later fit more inside would have been a major improvement. And the two tanks you talk about are not infantry support tank and the first panzer4 weren't that good.
@@cyril3248 The first panzer 4 was a mobile howitzer designed to move heavy guns up with infantry in the assault. It ended up being used in tank divisions, yes, but as designed it was an infantry tank. The matilda 2 was both designed and used as an infantry tank, so I dont see the argument.
13:21 I'd like to think that the Tiger IIs ran out of fuel or their transmissions broke down and the mechannically less troubled and fuel-modest R35 merrily captured them :)
I'd love to work on the mad gaming/sporting/mad useless facts about Ireland/history videos that have been floating around inside my head, but like you said, I just don't have the ability to edit and upload them! So that's what I'd use Filmora for!
As far as I know, the Schneider-concordia M1936 AT gun was significantly more powerful than the 45mm gun due to having a higher penetration value. Unfortunately, there is only a Romanian wiki page for the 47mm Schneider, due to it being rejected by the French, which chose the Puteaux APX 47mm gun. The Schneider could penetrate 70mm of armour angled at 30 degrees at 400m, while the 45mm gun on the BT-7 could penetrate 64 mm of unangled armour at 500m, with an APCR shell, while with standard APHE or APHE-BC it could pen only 45mm of unangled armour at 500m.
Wow, had no idea! So cool finding out new info on these rarely spoken of vehicles. Hard to believe they got so much use out of them! They were the right tank for right then I guess, good that they had them but ultimately didn't matter because they housed both sides that they were trying to defend against. Nice video.
Amazing video!, really well explained and interesting. I wanted to ask if you could possibly make a video about the German - Mexican tank HWK 30, since it's not really well known and for what I have seen it's like a sort of upgrade on the Spähpanzer Ru 251 made especifically for the sell and production on Mexico but got cancelled due to "External pressure" by other country. Please consider it, would be really interesting to watch.
It seems they were at least somewhat successful, they were used to the end of the war so unless they spent that time running away they probably served some purpose fairly well. Becoming outdated is a matter of not fit for original purpose, it doesn't necessarily mean not fit for ANY purpose.
This was the difference btw the french designs and the germans'(or also US'), lack of flexibility, was pratically impossible upgrading a model with better gun or turret, at least the PzIII/IV or the Sherman could be upgunned.
You should do a video on the Finnish artwork called the BT-42. Only one of the 18 remains left in the world and you can find it in the Parola Tank museum in Finland.
Hi @coneofarc I love your channel! I'm in the industry and I really enjoy learning about the development cycles of historic tanks! I'm working on writing a channel that analyzes mass shootings and the last piece I need is a video editing software and filmora sounds great! My intent is to bring a deeper understanding to the topic that usually gets lost in the headlines and political posturing, to enhance both the public discourse on the topic and the survival knowledge of the average person. Thanks and keep up the great work!
They did the best they could with what they had. When it comes to 2-man tanks it looks like a winner. But the biggest problem with a one-man turret is he gets very busy very fast. Its just too overwhelming. You need one guy looking out the hatch to spot the enemy. And thats the remarkable part of their survival... that make this thing a deathtrap.
Romanian here. We also are looking to replace our MBT, the TR 85M1. Too bad, Romania doesn't have money for Leopards 2. We could upgrade our MBT with a 120mm Rheinmetall gun, at least. Or we can wait to purchase the new german-french tank when it will be ready. Anyway, great video as always. Greetings from Romania!
"Too bad, Romania doesn't have money for Leopards 2" Who told you that? There is money but we spend it all on Patriot missiles and F-16s. Romania's problem was never with "not having money" as much with "idiots handling the money".
@@wallachia4797 Since when does Romania have money for anything? Romania doesn't have money for new hospitals, roads or schools, let alone for military equipment. Besides, having money, but idiots working with them, isn't that the same thing with not having money? I mean, Romania is not some rich country from Europe anyway. And it's not like Romania has a strong army or a modern one(for a european contry, at least).
The TR 85 won't be replaced for a very long period of time. New leopards which will probably be bought will just replace old T 55s in storage or just add on the amount of tanks. Also, there is a lot of money for the military for a country this size economically (Greece for example has hundreds of leopards 2 with a smaller GDP and percentage of GDP for the military), but why spend money for something like tanks if you are not going to use them?
@@wallachia4797 I bet you are not even from Romania. Or you are living under a rock. Either way, you are the one who doesn't know shit, and I'm the troll...right...
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Have you thought about doing any of the hwk series tank or from other sources like world of tanks?
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1)it was mighty fine if it had appeared before 1943 en masse as soviets still had many T-60/70 in service and even some T-26/BT-7 left.
2)the project is mostly sabotaged by ever present german kleptomany - take all military trophies to Germany for melting down... and then leave them in the field rusting away under the rain. Rearming hungarians, italians, romanians and finns with captured czech, french and soviet equipment should have been top priority for trophy management. Every man hour those nations invested into their own domestic projects that lead nowhere could have been better utilized making conversions/upgunning/uparmoring more modern trophy vehicles. It would have helped secure other fronts as well as increase morale and commitment of said nations. Thankfully for millions of Allied soldiers, who returned home, germans remained germans;)
Vanatorul de carne means meat hunter, not tank hunter
Hi @coneofarc I love your channel! I'm in the industry and I really enjoy learning about the development cycles of historic tanks! I'm working on writing a channel that analyzes mass shootings and the last piece I need is a video editing software and filmora sounds great! My intent is to bring a deeper understanding to the topic that usually gets lost in the headlines and political posturing, to enhance both the public discourse on the topic and the survival knowledge of the average person. Thanks and keep up the great work!
"was like trying to cram a pool stick inside a backpack" - absolutely epic statement about trying to fit bigger guns in turrets that were designed for them, LOL!
lol
Sound like no one have had experienced a pool elite friend to make that statement. The backpack just need to accept the pool stick being showed into it XD Like how Russian crews are showed into a T54 and the like.
Really if the backpack is "made to fit" a long ass pool stick what's the problem? Outside of hitting door frames and getting on the bus that is :)
@@TheDiner50 Valentine crews would probably envy those of T-54 by a lot, but okay, keep going:D
Most pool cues are two pieces, but I'm being pedantic. If that turret was any smaller they'd have to use a sawed-off shotgun. 😸
Jesus Christ, some of you nutters find the slightest shit absolutely hilarious
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@@jamesharding3459 Rise of Flight time! :)
And yeah, I too wish War Thunder would go back to the early periods, like WW1, Interwar and early WW2.
This would be a great event tank for French low tiers. They need some guns that actually pen things.
100 :)
I want Poland
What gets me about french design is that they had a couple things down well, mostly the armor, but they where completely clueless about several other key features The most egregious of which was definitely the division of labor and larger turrets. The main reason I played War Thunder as long as I did was to experience the French prototypes that never saw service that actually fixed a pot of design problems mentioned.
Edit: ok i get it the lack of man power is a mith. Im still not gonna edit the comment below bcz im a lazy fuck, now leave me alone. Have a nice day!
They were not completly clueless. 2 man tanks were the solution for a nation with no adult males left after WW1, after all you get a lot more tanks for just as much crew, even tho the commander is overworked with loading the gun, aiming, commanding the tank and using the rarely installed radio (the lack of a radio also makes sense, they did not want the germans to interfere, give false orders or get information from them. Flawed logic, but makes sense nevertheless). For the french government the pros of cheaper, more numerous tanks outweighed the cons of cramped and overworked crews
it's the true French way. They are often the most innovative arms designers, but with that innovation, they often wander into the wrong avenue of development. They thought ww1 tanks were the way to go (because they worked brilliantly) and made the best ww1- style tanks. But duh, turns out it was a wrong approach. They were some of the first to develop all-metal airplanes, but duh, they stuck with biplane design for too long. They were competing with British in naval tech, but through pure bad luck, their approach was again the bad approach.
Are you masochistic?
French tanks in ww2 had some brilkiant engineering. It is actually extremely difficult to cast thick armor plates. The French did it first and well. Meanwhile other great powers couldnt do it until few years into the war.
French just try to do in the situation that she found herself in. Male population and economic downturn are the biggest problems leading to French tank design that we knew.
2 man tank to reduce crew require per tank to increases total tank number. WW1 guns due to lack of money and plenty of spare ammunition. (Biggest problems is doctrine and radio) Despite this France was still able to make some great improvements such as cast armor and others but still cannot overcome other shortcomings of the French armed force. We can only think about what next-generation French tank be if she can fight for another 2-3 years.
13:38 I'm from Slovakia, and all I was able to find out is that pictures of turret were taken by Romanian guy, and it was taken on Event called Reenactment That takes place every year in village named Stary Tekov. This event is reconstruction of fights that took place on River Hron. Where, by the Rumunian Sourceres in 26-27 march 1945, the 8of these variants of r35 were destroyed and 2 were Damadged
Yep, I live near Starý Tekov and I can confirm, that this turret is on display there in an inn called Bažantnica.
@@lubordianovsky9307 need to bump this message up so that cone sees it
@@512TheWolf512 Here's a helping hand!
Hi! I am from czechia.
I feel like the tank itself is outmatched constantly, but the chassis is actually pretty good. From the looks of it, it could have been a good light tank/IFV.
to have a "light tank" one has to have a medium or heavy tank as well, otherwise it's just a tank.
Not really. The tank was not that bad at the beginning of the war, but it was slow, and use a drivetrain derived from a reconnaissance vehicle, the AMR35, which was optimized for road speed, at the expense of cross country capabilities. It had the worst of both worlds.
The gun itself was taken from retired FT tanks, for economical reasons.
The only reason it was bought in the first place is that it was cheap, and Renault could manufacture it in large numbers.
I feel like the best thing that could have been done with these hulls is putting short 75mm or similar howizter on them and using them as close/urban infantry support. Such a vehicle would have been outstanding in a situation such as stalingrad.
@@Sapoman2211 Turret likely wasn't big enough.
@@Sapoman2211 or might not have enough ammo, 75mm shells are real big
It’s actually rather interesting to learn about the minor nations of WWII Coz they had some rather interesting tank designs like Poland and it would be super cool to see them included more in video games kinda like how WoT has polish and Czechoslovakian tank tech trees
I would recommend going deeper in this topic as there are some really good tanks and prototypes. Like the hungarian panther kind of thing that I don't remember the name of.
@@KomradIosif I think that was the 44m tas
its hard to learn tho because they have so little sources
The main issue is finding sources that survived considering how outdated most of their equipment was even before the war started
From what I understand, the Polish tank program consted of the TKS tankette that was rather similar to the Italian CV-33 (both were based off of the same design) and the 7TP, a design based off of the Vickers 6 Tonne. They also had a few prototypes based off of but legally distinct from the Christie Tank that they were about to put into production. They would have been extremely similar to the Russian BT series due to being based on the same tank.
Mulțumesc pentru videoul! One step closer to a video on the Mareșal Tank Destroyer, and I'm absolutely looking forward to it! Looking forward to more!
hi i speak romanian but wtf does care mean
@@bomboclatlawg ,,care" means "wagon" or something like that.
@@bomboclatlawg
"Car de lupta" or "care de lupta" was the original designation of tanks in the romanian military and "car" or "care" means chariot,like those used by egyptians in battle in the times of ramses the second
@@petre5827 in fact, the term "car de lupta" was the term used by the Romanian army when referring to tanks or armored cars. At that time, the term tank had not yet been adopted as a specific name for armored vehicles in the army. In this case, "vanatorul de care" would be the tank hunter.
@@bomboclatlawg Also "care" is like in french "Char". It basically means "cart" or "chariot".
It may be obsolete against other tanks but even a R35 would be a formidable monster to a infantryman with a rifle.
Having played Foxhole, even an early war tank is a big force multiplier in infantry combat.
The fact that this thing rearmed with the 45mm gun was better than 90% of the tanks fielded by Italy or Japan
But not to an infantryman with grenades, or with a Molotov cocktail.
@@e.s.6275 Okay, let's see you walk up to a turreted tank rolling up to you, throwing things at it until you get a lucky hit.
@@Zorro9129 no-no, you don't do walking UP to a tank, unless you are after a suicide.
The method is,
1) you hide and move along in a trench line, noting where the tanks approach, preparing your grenades/cocktails, and aiming at any enemy infantrymen incoming close with the tanks. Don't stay in one place, just move randomly in the trenches, hiding down as you move.
2) as the tanks cross the trench line, they become vulnerable to infantry attacks , as they are basically blind and not protected from behind by the machine guns. This is when you follow it and set it's engine bay on fire! or in the absence of a Molotov cocktail, throw a few grenades under its caterpillar tracks. Same can be done from a side rather than from the back, if you're lucky to be nearby, so staying still in the trench, that is less risky.
THE most important aspect during that action of course is to stay in cold mind, to remember that the steel monsters are still vulnerable, if you do it right. Any panic, and there is no chance for you.
This tank kind of ilustrates the romanian spirit. We often try to do our best with what we have, even if what we have is not really adequate. Thanks for the video man, content covering the fighting done by minor Axis on the Eastern Front is rare.
I'm reminded of the motto of the fictional nation of Elbonia:
"We do our best with the absolute worst!"
@@henryrodgers7386 I keep seeing this Elbonia place everywhere on military videos but can’t find the damn place! Where does it come from?
@@henryrodgers7386 That is basically Romania every day of the week.
@@General_Rubenski The comic strip Dilbert has the fictional country, Elbonia in it. There was a series done by several You Tube streamers that said if "I was secretly a traitor but I was in charge of military aquisitions what would I buy for my military that looked good on paper, but would actually hamper our military.'
And this May Be when Romania falled in love with Renault, It can be considered the first dacia ever!
Glad to see you doing minor countries tanks! Really waiting for the Maresal or TACAM R.2 videos
Romania long love story with Renault started here i suppose
As a Romanian, the thought of one of our tanks facing off against two Tiger IIs just sends a shiver down my spine.
As you said, balls of steel.
Reminds me of a certain quote from Kelly's Heroes: "The only way I got to keep them Tigers busy is to LET THEM SHOOT HOLES IN ME!"
To be fair, plenty of light tanks were used in ww2 until the end. Things like Soviet T-70 and American M3 Stuarts mostly
Not balls of steel, just utter naivety about how bad romanian tanks are.
@@Player-st4hn they had nothing else to use, better than nothing. also the tank by itself was not bad, it was just paired against much newer tanks.
I don't think this tank fits into the "cursed by design" stereotype. At the time of its development, it was quite good. And certainly better than many other tanks at the time. If anything, I think the Romanian's should be commended on making it work for as long as they did.
Tbh he often uses this series for vehicles that don’t fit it
While not cursed by design, beyond an inability to be upgraded, it was certainly cursed by fate, in being built by a nation that couldn't replace it. The thought of such a wee little vehicle prowling streets in earnest, contemporary to Panthers and Tigers must have been as unsettling to their occupants as it is astounding to us now.
I think the "cursed" part is the one-man turret.
The Renault R35 was not "good for its time". It was always worthless.
@@ineednochannelyoutube5384 Thats simply not true. The tank was designed in 1933, and at that point, it was by no means bad. Technology moved very fast during the following twelve years though.
You just won the hearts and respect of the Romanian community 👏
The the 47 mm equipped R35 would have been superior to most of the armored vehicles used by the Italian and Japanese armies.
This version is still better than most Italian or Japanese tanks
@@michaelvonbiskhoff7771 - Also true.
In the 30s, when it became obvious that tanks needed some antitank capability, tank designers thought that a tank would have to weight at least 20t to accomodate the 47mm SA 35.
That is the reason why the 37mm SA 38 was designed in the first place.
So, fitting a larger gun in the R35 was quite an achievement!
One man turret, abysmal visibility and crew ergonomic, overloaded commander, underpowered engine, no upgrade potential.
It would have only been superior to tankettes. Without exaggeration it was the poorest adopted tank of the interwar years.
@@ineednochannelyoutube5384 if you consider the PzKpfW I as a tankette, I agree!
As a Romanian I loved this 📹 🎥 Keep going mate! Just subscribed
For a second I though YT fucked up translations again
But no, thats just our shitty R35
Immediately clicked as soon as this showed up, and I know it's gonna be good.
Edit: Finished the video. It was as good as I expected. Can't wait for more. Especially about the Turan tank.
same being 50% italian and 50% hungarian only thing missing from him are hungarian tanks
When i heard Vânătorul de care R-35 i imediat imagined a cart whit two horses which had R-35 painted on em and in the cart a squad of soldier armed whit anti tank rifles and molotov cocktails
That's ammm,interesant to say the least :))
Car de luptă was the standard name for a tank before the communist era, being a translation of the French word for tank char de bataille
That's because the word tank didn't catch on till then.
@@purpleldv966 Ofcourse it didn't, its an English word and we used tk simp only for French
@@The_Romanian_Terror "tk simp only..." Huh?
Well if you consider it so obvious, then why did you say you imagine some horse-drawn cart?
As a Romanian I highly appreciate this!
Also your pronunciations were very good.
I know this tank from Steel Division 2, this tank basically just armored self propelled anti tank gun that can't hid it self in forrest.
Except it’s not an anti tank gun because that little gun can’t do much to anything
Yeah, only usefull when you go for a Meme build ^^
this thing brings new meaning to "he's trying his best"
13:20 I dont know if that r35 fought the tiger or faught along side it, either way I think that r35 is a chad!
That photo just looks so epic to me
He just used the circle of dead, that's how you kill a heavy tank using light tanks GG
I wonder how long before the Romanian crew realized they spawned a low Battle Rating tank in a high Level match.
@skyZZo Didn't they get Panthers?
Loved this in-depth look at a tank not from the big three.
I agree, I find these types of videos about niche tanks from axis minors very interesting, and due to coneofarc giving an in-depth look into them makes this very enjoyable to watch
I hope there will be more Romania related videos!
Let's hope for a video on the IAR-80.
Excited about a Maresal TD vid.
Considering how Ro was getting roflstomped by OP Russia, the Maresal TD was actually a decent idea. It inspired the successful Hetzer.
Also, the R35 next to a KT looks like a cute toy. At one point, the Ro crew must have have said: 'lol, we spawned reserve tank at high BR. GG'
Hetzer was inspired by Mareșal
Lol, you could mount the whole R35 in place of the Tiger 2's turret.
My tank has a tank. Your argument is invalid. 😆
Excited to hear about the turan and the aa variant. Since they were introduced to steel division 2 I've grown quite attached to them
I could see the Care R35 possibly being added as a low-tier premium or event tank for France in War Thunder.
Minor Axis countries:We need tanks Germany
Germany:No
*Germany starts losing eastern front
Minor Axis countries:We REALLY need them
Germany:....
Here are some outdated Czech and German tanks
Romania:*scrapes together outdated french tanks because Germany doing nothing and Thier inability to produce Thier own tanks
*Germany proceeds to only give Hungry Tigers while Minor Axis countries leaving the Axis or just get conquered by Russia
The funny thing is Hungary really got some tigers, but the germans didn't even want to hear about a licence version of the 75mm kwk 42 l/70. Such a confusion.
@@v-nem144 indeed 😂
@@v-nem144 hungary did have a livense for the 7.5cm/L42, it disnt really need it though. It was domestically producing an 8cm AA gun in L50, L56 and L70 versions, as well as a 7.5cm/L31 AT gun, which could rather easily have recieved a longer barell.
Germany gave Romania some Panzer IV's and StuG III's. Go check out the Romanian 1st Armored Division "Romania Mare". This division saw it's last action in 1944, where the soviet union invaded Romania.
You realize that ONLY SWEDEN was selling them coal and that they had NOBODY giving them oil and ALL THEIR FUEL was synthetic fuel made from coal right (Fisher-Tropsch process)??? People even cut off LOANS to sweden because they once reloaned 43 million to the nazis after borrowing 45 million off the USA.
The R.35s are the cutest little tanks. Some of my favorite memories in war thunder came from these tanks
From my understanding, many of the Polish R35 tanks weren’t fully equipped as they were in mobilization at the time of the German attack. They used the tanks in a fighting retreat against the Soviets as they withdrew into Romania.
There may have been some shipped via Romania as well to complete the order.
I really wish for a balkan/Yugoslav tech tree for warthunder since it would fit so many smaller nations tanks and planes
TIL that R35’s invaded the Soviet Union in the hands of Romania , sounds just about like a regular war thunder match. Also learned that R35 from France and R35 from Romania could both historically have faced a Maus if they were made in numbers. De care R35 definitely has its place in war thunder.
2 man crew in that tiny tank. Good Lord! I can imagine. Driver, plus Commander/Loader/Gunner/Radio operator. Balls of steel, indeed.
I am from România, and all I can say is that we always had less than other countryes when it comes to a conflict, but we manage to fight with what we had and most of the time we manage to win
I as a romanian , thank you for binging light on them , do please keep them coming
That remaining turret belongs in a museum.
7:13 .. .. .. .. wait a second.. . is it just me or is this probably 2022's world of tanks teir 3 gift tank i bet lol
Excellent presentation sir and well done.
When fighting a war you use whatever is available to you. New or old, good or bad. You take it and fight. The bravery of the crews who took these onto battle cannot be denied!
Great idea, I think. They gave them bigger guns and they did good. If it's what you have, improve it as best you can.
Hats off.
Im romainian and i can say for sure if it wasan t the soviet troops the r35 tank hunter and DOMESTICALY R35 would have seen the Light of Day în upgrade terms and yes due to lack production of resources it was the Best thing of a bad situation. Thank you very much for your time and all hard work you put through to find all this info. Merry Christmas to you and all your family too😊
13:23 That's just hilarious! A picture is worth a thousand words, indeed!
Good research and a well done video about a much lesser known tank hunter, also appreciating you commending the crews, cheers! Romania had a very limited armoured force both in numbers and quality, mostly light tanks, with Germany supplying 22 Pz III and IV in late 1942 (considered heavy tanks in Romanian inventory) and another 50 second hand LtVz 38s in 1943. Given that by late 1943 almost all these rather obsolete tanks had been lost, and Germany was still being a total miser, they had to do something, and this means hodgepodging - TACAM R-2, TACAM T-60 and the R-35 tank hunter. Germany had finally come to wits and supplied Romania with Stug IIIG's and Pz IV H's but it was a bit too little too late. Anyway, if you need a bit more info on Romanian tanks (both locally produced or of German origin), gimme a shout, I am working on a book project about Romanian armour. Good work, and keep it up!
Everyone:
"Bigger guns!"
The French:
"Alors, what gun to put into our new tank mes amis?"
"The shortest, naturellement! Everything else would destroy it's magnificent elegance!"
"Très bien!"
*Opens bottle of red wine*
That Filmora ad is prolly the most transparent honest thing I've seen regarding them in yt vids
i think you are spot on saying the crew must have balls of steel to fight in those vehicles in 1944-45... its like giving infantry BBguns...
Have ta say, ConeOfArc is right about them having balls of steel.
2 Bros in a bathtub, rolling towards monsters of war whom they could barley harm and they could just drive over them and crush em.
We have to remember something about tanks early in WW2 or those from the interwar period. WW1 was the basis, and tanks were not designed to fight other tanks. They were designed to supersede trenches and fronts. Once WW2 got rolling, tanks had to consider countering other tanks...but even then, that was not their primary role. They were(WW1 again) designed to support infantry and...most of all...provide mobility. The mere presence of the enemy spread panic. Almost all the early German panzers were light and worthless tank-to-tank...the shock of the Blitzkrieg was the fact they moved quickly, penetrating Allied lines...
3:05
Origin of ConeOfArc right there
An almost right movie. Congratulations!
Some observations
1) Tanks were bought not confiscated from the polish goverment, which took shelter in Romania after the fall of Poland in 39.
2) Romania went at were with USSR, to recapture Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina, territories annexed by the soviets in 1940.
3) Romania was producing '45 ammunition.
4) Antonescu regime was not quite a fascist one.
Hey Cone, definitely the best of a bad situation. Macgyvering things together to get a little more use out of them has a long and storied tradition in warfare as you know. As far as usefulness, I think the Lebanese version with the 2pdr was probably the more formidable. You always hear about there being no good explosive round for the 2pdr, but wasn't it the same size ammunition as was used in the Pom Pom AA gun? Which obviously had to be an explosive fragmentation round.
May be a myth but I Understood that the HE shell for the 2pdr was dropped because an early try just shattered in the barrel with disastrous results for the gun (for the time, very high velocity, meets manufacturing flaw = split barrel). It was decided that as wartime manufacture would see a drop in quality, it was better not to bother putting crews in danger. Though it seems Australia did make an HE shell for their Matilda's late war. May have been better off using the also 40mm Bofors shells that were in production for the AA Guns that were the British Standard (though not sure of shell profile etc, which if off, could cause problems).
Well High explosive fragmentation rounds would work well with AA guns knowing that Planes have no armour or are basically made out of wooden frames, so I don't think it would work for Anti tank guns(unless you are going to use the tank like a SPAA
@@gotohyoshihisa3971 For anti personnel and use against anti-tank and machine gun placements for which a solid hunk of metal is not the best counter doesn't necessarily have to damage the gun at all as long as it damages the crew. Which is what British crews complained about not having.
The 2pdr pom pom ammunition was not compatible with the 2pdr anti tank gun, neither were compatible with the 40mm Bofors. My understanding is that there was a 2pdr HE round, but it wasn't used as it had such a tiny explosive charge (less than a hand grenade) to be not worth it
@@rorythomas9469
How to make the HE work
step 1:reverse your tank into a ditch so that the tank guns are facing upwards
step 2: hope that you could possibly hit a plane
step 3:Marvel at this either ingernious or moronic idea
Hopefully that surviving turret is found and isnt scrapped.
Pure fact there's a photo shows that people KNOW about it. Probably waiting for some old fart to die so they can get it to a museum.
Seeing it next to that Tiger II, you definitely needed balls of steel, as heavy as that Tiger II
Thank you for mentions of the courage of the crews .
I love you're videos dude, love the in-depth look into these niche tanks from minor countries, keep it up!
I want this tank so much in War Thunder. The R-2 TACAM would also be great (it's gun is a mixed ZIS/Pak thing I would love it so much)
An outstanding video about a subject that had the potential to be pretty dry. Excellent from start to finish, thanks. I’ve always had a particular interest in twentieth century French armor, and it’s somewhat difficult to find quality presentations on the subject. Hope you plan to produce more like this one.
This should be added to the Italian tech tree in War Thunder as a premium or event vehicle at around 2.0 BR. This is an amazing representation of the struggles the smaller nations of WW2 faced constantly.
Handy for light infantry support, and ingenious considering how few resources were available.
The thought of going up against either a Tiger or an IS in one of these is horrifying.
Soviet invasion of manchuko in 45 deployed is3 heavy tank against the japanese light tank.this is worse example of over match
For the love of God gaijin pls add this to the French researchable tree, God knows they need a boost for their tier 1
Who’s gonna tell him
uh
Just make em a prem french tech tree only got a few low br prem tank
I recently made the poor decision to grind France. I hope it gets better
lmao it was a reserve tank for france but they removed it cause it was so shit
This was a good effort for a small country in a tight situation.
Good to see some more unusual stuff. Surprising the tough little tanks lasted so long.
As a romanian myself, I'd like to say this is a certified cartier classic.
Cartier, rough translation: neighbourhood
Very nice piece, indeed. Thank you for your research and scholarship.
Wow, BF109 with Mickey Mouse nose-art 05:01
That glorious object 279 in the intro still triggers me tho.
Having a smaller tank chassis can definitely be worked with, the Hetzer is a great example. Perhaps the small size and good gun ( but not a giant one) would be well suited to hidden, close up ambush . Unfortunately, its not always possible to choose when to fight.. so, all is compromise.
That orphaned turret looks normal, until you realize that one of the things on top of it is a normal-sized helmet!
That tank must have been so cramped the crew had to climb out to change their mind.
Looks like a matchbox vs. a shoebox. r35vs.panther. I get scared shitless just thinking about what all them tankers had on their minds. Bless them all.
This was a very good Video- the quality was brilliant. I'd love to see one on the TACAM's as well!
1)it was mighty fine if it had appeared before 1943 en masse as soviets still had many T-60/70 in service and even some T-26/BT-7 left.
2)the project is mostly sabotaged by ever present german kleptomany - take all military trophies to Germany for melting down... and then leave them in the field rusting away under the rain. Rearming hungarians, italians, romanians and finns with captured czech, french and soviet equipment should have been top priority for trophy management. Every man hour those nations invested into their own domestic projects that lead nowhere could have been better utilized making conversions/upgunning/uparmoring more modern trophy vehicles. It would have helped secure other fronts as well as increase morale and commitment of said nations. Thankfully for millions of Allied soldiers, who returned home, germans remained germans;)
The Romanians captured enough 45mm guns in 1941 that it became the standard AT gun for the cavalry
@@michaelvonbiskhoff7771 I've meant R35, R40, H35 and H39. Germans captured them in 1940 and... pretty much abandoned them to training at best.
Meanwhile Romania had spare parts production for them and tank school that specialized in that exact tank model. It was better off to provide your own allies with equipment that can be used now then allow it to rot and get obsolete somewhere in France in 1944. Likewise italians could have really used those B1bis and S35 in north Africa when M3 Lee first showed up. And on topic of B1 reliability, while during the war they were breaking down every 30 km, properly maintained B1 had made several propaganda tours during interwar period which easily crossed 200 km each without trouble. So yeah, if properly maintained, it could be a match for M3.
In 41 the somua factory called the axis powers to tell them that their new somua 40 was ready for production and an upgraded variant with 3 man turret and 47 sa 37 gun could be made, just imagine if germany had allowed somua to make tanks for the axis minor powers
Political and strategical reasons. Hitler did not want to depend on foreign countries, being them allies. And Germany badly needed captured equipment. Captured French tanks were used on the Eastern front during 41/42 winter, to make for the losses of Barbarossa. And, after that, German army made use of everything that had an engine, from cars, to aircrafts, to tanks, they can put their hands on.
There were still French tanks in front line units as late as 1944. The 21st Panzer Div. in Normandy had some Somua S35 (along outdated Pz IVc). The unit was in the process of replacing them with Panther, but, still.
Of course, German propaganda focused on the most impressive, German, tanks to boost morale, but many units still used hastily modified, if not outdated tanks, Polish machine guns, Czech rifles, Russian guns and... horsecarts.
Gotta say.. I'd love to see a video about the Sherman workhorse variants. They used them for plows, made landmine sweeper guards to put on them, mounted rocket launchers on the turrets, all kinds of crazy stuff. The Sherman is such a wonderfully simple tank..
The m74 Sherman, and the Sherman Calliope are both good examples of what I'm taking about
For anyone wondering, before calling the original R35 a bad tank, it was designed as an "infantry support tank". This means it doesn't need to be much faster than infantry, it is supposed to fight light tank/artillery at most, it doesn't much more autonomy than infantry and so on. It answers well to bad constraints so the tank isn't really the issue.
Also an reassembled French R35 is at the France 40 Véhicules museum (in France).
no
r 35 is just outdated shit tank
Exactly. People can't understand that. At its time, it was a good support tank. But by the time WWII started, it was too undergunned.
It wasnt even a good support tank.
Partly because that doctrinal role is insane and impossible, but also because it lacked the situational awareness to effectively pursue an assault, lacked the destructive power to dislodge entrenched infantry, lacked the speed to exploit a breakthrough, and lacked any potential for future upgrades.
If you must have an infantry tank you are better off with a matilda 2, or panzer 4.
@@ineednochannelyoutube5384 The R35 would sure have been much better with a 2 crew member turret. It lacked speed because it had to advance with infantry. But yeah making it bigger to later fit more inside would have been a major improvement. And the two tanks you talk about are not infantry support tank and the first panzer4 weren't that good.
@@cyril3248 The first panzer 4 was a mobile howitzer designed to move heavy guns up with infantry in the assault. It ended up being used in tank divisions, yes, but as designed it was an infantry tank.
The matilda 2 was both designed and used as an infantry tank, so I dont see the argument.
13:21 I'd like to think that the Tiger IIs ran out of fuel or their transmissions broke down and the mechannically less troubled and fuel-modest R35 merrily captured them :)
I'd love to work on the mad gaming/sporting/mad useless facts about Ireland/history videos that have been floating around inside my head, but like you said, I just don't have the ability to edit and upload them! So that's what I'd use Filmora for!
The il-2 hit by AA fire at 0:44 is epic
As far as I know, the Schneider-concordia M1936 AT gun was significantly more powerful than the 45mm gun due to having a higher penetration value. Unfortunately, there is only a Romanian wiki page for the 47mm Schneider, due to it being rejected by the French, which chose the Puteaux APX 47mm gun. The Schneider could penetrate 70mm of armour angled at 30 degrees at 400m, while the 45mm gun on the BT-7 could penetrate 64 mm of unangled armour at 500m, with an APCR shell, while with standard APHE or APHE-BC it could pen only 45mm of unangled armour at 500m.
Wow, had no idea! So cool finding out new info on these rarely spoken of vehicles. Hard to believe they got so much use out of them! They were the right tank for right then I guess, good that they had them but ultimately didn't matter because they housed both sides that they were trying to defend against. Nice video.
I legit belived youtube translated the title in a wrong way once again.
But only now I found out is a video about my country lol. Thanks!
R35 irl:
R35 in wotb: *N U K E*
13:02 how I looked at the end of every War Thunder game, playing this tank.
Based off of your information in the beginning, i think i am safe to say, it was the best out of a bad situation
13:23 photo looks like the r35 took out 2 king tigers and is driving off for a victory smoke
That Plushie looks absolutely lovely!
Good or bad, this tank design at least sparks joy for some reason
That intro was wonderful
It's a tradition for France, always keeps customers hooked, same thing happens now with Belharra and Rafale...
Amazing video!, really well explained and interesting.
I wanted to ask if you could possibly make a video about the German - Mexican tank HWK 30, since it's not really well known and for what I have seen it's like a sort of upgrade on the Spähpanzer Ru 251 made especifically for the sell and production on Mexico but got cancelled due to "External pressure" by other country. Please consider it, would be really interesting to watch.
"External pressure by other country"...... no need to question WHO that was....
@@OffGridInvestor yeah lol
It seems they were at least somewhat successful, they were used to the end of the war so unless they spent that time running away they probably served some purpose fairly well. Becoming outdated is a matter of not fit for original purpose, it doesn't necessarily mean not fit for ANY purpose.
This was the difference btw the french designs and the germans'(or also US'), lack of flexibility, was pratically impossible upgrading a model with better gun or turret, at least the PzIII/IV or the Sherman could be upgunned.
You should do a video on the Finnish artwork called the BT-42. Only one of the 18 remains left in the world and you can find it in the Parola Tank museum in Finland.
Norwegian NM-116 Chaffee just sitting here like, cool another Marder for Germany, I guess I'll just not exist.
Hi @coneofarc I love your channel! I'm in the industry and I really enjoy learning about the development cycles of historic tanks! I'm working on writing a channel that analyzes mass shootings and the last piece I need is a video editing software and filmora sounds great! My intent is to bring a deeper understanding to the topic that usually gets lost in the headlines and political posturing, to enhance both the public discourse on the topic and the survival knowledge of the average person. Thanks and keep up the great work!
nice to see a Romanian tank hope for more :))
I like to imagine the R35 knocked out that tiger 2 through sheer force of will from the crew
man got to say I am looking forward for more lesser know tanks in warthunder
They did the best they could with what they had. When it comes to 2-man tanks it looks like a winner. But the biggest problem with a one-man turret is he gets very busy very fast. Its just too overwhelming. You need one guy looking out the hatch to spot the enemy. And thats the remarkable part of their survival... that make this thing a deathtrap.
Now I finally realized why Cone's intro is so familiar; it's kinda similar to Ghost Adventures' lol
Romanian here. We also are looking to replace our MBT, the TR 85M1. Too bad, Romania doesn't have money for Leopards 2. We could upgrade our MBT with a 120mm Rheinmetall gun, at least. Or we can wait to purchase the new german-french tank when it will be ready. Anyway, great video as always. Greetings from Romania!
"Too bad, Romania doesn't have money for Leopards 2"
Who told you that? There is money but we spend it all on Patriot missiles and F-16s.
Romania's problem was never with "not having money" as much with "idiots handling the money".
@@wallachia4797 Since when does Romania have money for anything? Romania doesn't have money for new hospitals, roads or schools, let alone for military equipment. Besides, having money, but idiots working with them, isn't that the same thing with not having money? I mean, Romania is not some rich country from Europe anyway. And it's not like Romania has a strong army or a modern one(for a european contry, at least).
The TR 85 won't be replaced for a very long period of time. New leopards which will probably be bought will just replace old T 55s in storage or just add on the amount of tanks. Also, there is a lot of money for the military for a country this size economically (Greece for example has hundreds of leopards 2 with a smaller GDP and percentage of GDP for the military), but why spend money for something like tanks if you are not going to use them?
@@MIMthegreat Literally what are you talking about? You don't know how politics work here.
I am starting to think you are someone's troll account.
@@wallachia4797 I bet you are not even from Romania. Or you are living under a rock. Either way, you are the one who doesn't know shit, and I'm the troll...right...