Update Rooster Teeth has addressed the design and changed the art for the gun to be less like Chris Lee's Dust Trivolver. This will be the version printed in the physical release as well.
Comic Drake well that is scummy. Instead of standing up for their mistake and giving credit they essentially just pretend it didn’t happen. What A”holes
As a huge fan of both rooster teeth and game theory I am disappointed to see a former theorist making a big deal out of a big misunderstanding. Rooster teeth has clarified that DC does the comic and RT just proof reads it and they weren’t aware of Chris lees work and since they have acknowledged the issue you can’t badmouth them the way you are! I expected more from a theorist and fellow Rwby fan!
whats bad is there are literally people in this comment section saying roosterteeth is within their right because he didn't place a copyright on his youtube videos, and didn't do anything morally wrong. within their rights i dont have a choice but to agree that is how the trash system works, but not morally wrong? bullshit
It would be nice if they hired fans to help the concept art of things Hell if they want a voice for a new character or something a fan with acting talent would be nice too ……
@@inactive9544 Benjamin Franklin never invented anything he just copywrited inventions before his neighbors could afford to, carpe diem or whatever bullshit you choose to consume that they feed you, just because its legal doesn't mean its right
Ren Amamiya That would be fine, except that they weren’t referencing it. Citation is different from plagiarism. Taking a fan design is different from making a reference. They didn’t at all link the actual creator of the design to the artwork, which would be done if it were indeed a reference, nor did they address the issue or update the comic. This is not a reference. This is theft.
People wondering why they didn’t just ask permission, the answer is simple: didn’t want to risk having to pay the creator a single cent; They didn’t want to brave the HORRIBLE risk of asking a fan if they could use their design and the fan *gasp* asking for compensation
When it was posted online as a "RWBY weapon", that made it a derivative work, and RT could use it without permission. Saying thanks would be nice - and because RT has done that in the past with fan-made content, I suspect DC's involvement. Not excusing RT for this, but the comics are DC's work, and RT really doesn't seem to be involved. They don't seem to even know what's in them for the most part.
As a comic artist myself, I’m going to play devil’s advocate here. There’s a real chance that the artist was simply looking for references online to make the world as Canonical as possible, not realizing that this Trivolver was fan made. Again I’m not condoning intellectual theft of any kind but I’m willing to give the artist from DC the benefit of the doubt here
That's what I believe honestly. If this came from DC, they might not have known. I recall a commission where I kinda had to use a previous commission as a reference and accidentally drew something that wasn't actually a part of their character and was just there as a part of the scene. *shrug* I mean. If it wasn't that way, shame on them, but this COULD just be an honest mistake and with the way they're changing it out, I feel like that's the case. As critical as I am of RT recently, I don't think this one was done intentionally.
As an RPG industry freelancer who has worked on big-name IPs, I have to agree with Infinity Art. This is likely an honest attempt at research that was done a little too quickly. And that sort of language on their TOS has to be there. It has to, to protect them in the cases where parallel ideas do occur. Most companies historically have had a policy to return unsolicited submissions unopened, for just this reason. Since the only similar alternative in the modern age is to just forbid the posting of fan art or story ideas, their TOS must contain language that protects them.
Apologies for responding to a two year old comment, but just to let you know: this is exactly what happened, according to the artist for the issue. They looked up references and caught a fan design.
Yeah I dont think anyone on earth is losing sleep because an artist at DC decided to spend at most 5 minutes drawing a weapon a fan made based on their intellectual property. They should feel grateful someone at DC even did this rather than throw up some kind of temper tantrum or stir controversy over this nonsense. At the end of the day all I can see is that this is either about money or egotistical notoriety.
@@acthoundentertainment Your right I would feel honored if I made a meal with my blood, sweat, and tears for someone and then they so kindly took my recipe and claimed it as their own. Like who really needs credit these days right? Next I might just take videos from this guy and claim them as my own.
@@galaxyvulture6649 You picked a very bad analogy to use. Food recipes are one of the most wildly distributed and used forms of art on earth if not the largest, everyone steals and uses other peoples dishes and culinary tips, tricks, etc without due credit globally so yes why do you need that credit? Can you remember the first chef to work with noodles? Do you even remotely care? I'm going to assume no to both of those questions.
@@acthoundentertainment The point was that it's still pretty messed up. The food analogy makes sense because like with art it's not illegal (as long as no copyright or whatever on art) to take it without crediting. It's messed up and several youtubers have done this. I really don't get your noodle argument though since a lot of dishes use the techniques to make noodles for their own original recipes. I wouldn't want someone to be credited because I made chicken alfredo in my own style. Like with art you borrow some techniques to add to your own. I still do this now to try and find an art style that suits my taste.
I agree that a knife gun isn't a complex or even original design, but the design and coloring of the knife in addition to the triple barrel revolver and the knife covering the sight is highly suspect. Due to their terms of service, this is totally legal, but it's still a scummy move imo, I'd also like to apologize about this not being up yo my channel's normal standards. I quickly put this together since I'm currently working on other, much larger, videos. I hope those will make up for the images in this one being so static.
I mean even if it's not very creative it still took time and effort to create and render, them changing it slightly is something but that dosent take away from what they did
Rooster teeth got very corporate after WarnerMedia bought them. They have certainly lost a lot of what had made them special and their willingness to screw over their own employees, contractors and even fans has really let them down.
@@Threads_Of_Fate RT's main focus is obviously the show it self, pretty sure they just give the creators of the manga and the comics just a general lay out of how the story goes. And even if RT was involved, it would be the blame of who ever was over seeing the work, until that's known, the full blame should be on DC comics since their the ones who are making the comic version.
I bet Monty would be ashamed to see his work tarnished like this, especially with his amazing talent and imagination to even create RWBY to begin with. Both Monty and RT started as internet nobodies and skyrocketed to internet stardom in certain fandoms. With Monty sadly gone and not able to defend his work RT should be trying harder to protect his memory and legacy.
There has been rumor that Monty stole the design of someone else’s clothing. This isn’t the first time and I’m sure there several others who weren’t credited.
Monty left his notebook at RT after his passing which has the original ideas for volume 4-6. RT just didn’t follow his ideas and rewrite them, nowadays real RWBY fans are leaving RWBY cuz they know that RT only cares about pleasing the toxic “fans” with new character’s clothes design, which RT thinks they can win back the original fans.
@@Gloomdrake The axe I don't really believe. What we got with Team Bronze didn't completely match with the art that he claims it was taken from. Turning the sniper barrel into the handle of the ax, and the handle of the sniper rifle into the ax head, isn't hard at all to think of.
@@archierm I don't want to be mean but this just really bugs me. 1.) People don't use headcanon when talking about real life. Just say theory or guess its a shorter word anyways 2.) Lul doesn't even mean anything, please leave it in 2013 where it died.
I think it's more than likely that they meant it as a "Oh look we're acknowledging the fan community!" sort of thing, and if it was, it was really poorly executed.
Honestly as an artist I think there's 2 possibilities to why this happened, 1. They actually did it on purpose to show to the community, or instead, the artist did without knowledge of it's superiors, or, 2. They actually crunched their artists, that one just took the first reference that saw and shipped it without proper examination... Honestly Idk which one is worse
Mad respect for Drake on this one. I don't know how deeply things like PR and networking run or how complex it can become. To me it seems like a huge risk to criticize not one but two major companies your business model is connected to. Especially since alot of comic youtubers either have or aspire to have close working relationships with arms of various publishers. This could lead to alot of work or remove opportunities. So, whatever differences of opinion I have with Drake. He's the fucking man for sticking to his guns.
On legality, this is for the roosterteeth website and refers to works that are "submitted" to Rooster teeth. If Chris Lee submitted/posted his concepts on Rooster Teeth's site then he is bound to them. Just because you post something on RUclips doesn't mean you agree to another site's terms of service.
Connor Lewandosky re read the legal agreement, any and all derivative works on any media platforms is covered in their agreement. legal wise, if it's labeled RWBY, it's RT property.
@@Oculusinfinium But what I don't get is, if one does not agree to the terms of service of the site then are they not bound to it? 3.1 Your Content does include "any media formats and through and media channels"
@@Oculusinfinium It does raise a question about the relationship between fan-made content and how companies should act in incorporating fan-made content into the official content.
Connor Lewandosky legal wise, by using RWBY content, you are agreeing to the clause, but I agree completely that from an ethical standpoint, it is wrong to use the content without giving credit. I believe the update says they are changing it.
I think I speak for most artists, fans, and everyone in general when I say I wouldn't mind if I had a design of mine appear on something as long as I'm credited for it. Otherwise, it's basically stealing. Even if it's a fan made design.
Regardless of TOS and regardless of if he submitted it to RT, it's not illegal to draw a rough sketch of an item seen in a 3d animation uploaded to youtube. Copyright does not apply.
I personally don’t like rooster teeth. They produce, in my opinion, subpar shows, and since their acquisition of death battle everything has gone controversial to the extreme.
Marx Jester I’m not to surprised that you think that. Most huge RT fans love things like RvB, which is litteraly a show based on using Bungie’s/343’s work on the Halo series.
That Dust Trivolver looks suspiciously similar to the DenGasher (a weapon with six components that can be arranged into a sword, rod, axe, gun, boomerang and naginata used by Kamen Rider Den-O and a few other riders) in Gun Mode. The Aura Ax (the axe blade part of the DenGasher) is even in the same position as the blade of the Dust Trivolver.
Oh hey, I finally found a Kamen Rider reference in another comic book RUclipsr besides Linkara. Also, hey somebody is referencing Kamen Rider. I like that.
Thank goodness they removed the revolver for the trade, stealing art is really freak'n scummy. Even then, the wand Glinda uses makes more sense anyway, I can't ever recall her using an actual gun on the show.
Btw terms of use are not legally binding. Especially when they conflict with actually copyright law. So all the legalise is just bs. I’d sue if they did that to me. Especially since the gun itself is not inherently linked to rwby and is just a general trick weapon design, easy to plug into any medium. Clearly the rwby team had no right to use it without contracting the creator. Sue them.
People are really quick to jump on the hate for RT and DC when the reality is that the fault lies solely on the artist, neither company probably would have known and the artist would have needed a design for a pistol and stole it and any editorial would have either assumed it was a pre existing design or an original design of the artist.
@@Mr_Zx You know, people like you are the type of people monty wouldn't like to see. Really shows how much you actually care about the man when all you can do is blame his very close FRIENDS for everything and shit all over them with insults. You need to actually start using your BRAIN for once, you may actually learn something and understand that the people working on the comics were DC COMICS, NOT ROOSTER TEETH. Monty would honestly be very disappointed in you guys.
I remember a time when something like this would be looked as good. fan art being used by the creators meant that the creators saw your work, liked it and thought it would fit in the world perfectly. I remember when people wished their original creations could get into the series they like. That being said if RWBY has referenced the artists they took the designs from prior, then the should do it now still
I agree that it would be nice if the creator was in the credits, but people do have to keep in mind that there are like 100.000 fanart design of rwby teams, weapons and semblance out there. It's hard to design a new wheel. Something will always resemble something that's already invented. BTW Lee's design is also inspired by some simular weapons.
Wait their policy doesn't account for his designs because they are on his RUclips channel which isn't owned by Warner Bros who owns Roosterteeth and DC but is owned by Alphabet Inc, which isn't owned by Warner Bros. If they're talking about fan art on any website, then that's complete BS and everyone knows it. Companies don't take fan art without credit. In fact most of them would hire them if they are really good. That's like going on Reddit, those forums, Twitter, and weird NSFW websites and taking that art/concept and not give credit.
Shows are allowed to take fanart. You don't own the IP, they do. It sucks but they can cause it doesn't go under fair use, unless its a parody which is fair use.
Yeah this does look much more like straight up copying the concept than simply taking inspiration. I'd understand if it were just a multi-chambered gun, but the design itself is IDENTICAL.
@@nobody-xh6ii Except he does. The terms of service ONLY apply to what's submitted to the Rooster Teeth site. These weapon designs, to my knowledge, never were. Meaning that this is in fact theft and the artist should receive credit/compensation.
On top of that they gave it to Goodwitch, the character they basically burned because of their interactions with her voice actress. After a former employee released a letter detailing his disapproval with how they were handling his friend Monty's (recently deceased at the time) work there was blow back. He claimed that the new heads of the show were making mistakes and going against the designs of the original creator, not to mention his complaints about the working conditions and demands on him and his team. Afterwards the voice actress for Goodwitch joined him claiming that the grievances were valid and true. From there she had a few more heated complaints about the companies habits and she was fired, her character all but being written out of the show. Which is a real shame because I imagine most fans would have liked to see how she was handling Vale in the aftermath.
I mean she also went on a tirade on Twitter about how RT had no apparent support for its female employees during her time there while simultaneously claiming Ashley Jenkins only got to where she was in the company because of her relationship with Burnie and also demeaning the accomplishments of other ladies in the company and playing "no u" with people who said she was being unfair to Ashley but go off I guess.
@@neonal18 Oh yeah she definitely wasn't helping her case at that point. I'm just wondering what brought her to the point where she wanted to air what she viewed as a bunch of dirty laundry to the public. I don't know what happened and won't claim to, but something must have to make her start turning against her bosses.
I'm pretty sure the artist just Google'd "RWBY revolver" and Chris' design was among the first results and they just thought it was an official design, especially since it was gonna be used for just one panel and is not even meant to be the main focus.
Considering the entire context about many of the RWBY staff, this doesn’t really surprise me. What sucks even more is how bad RWBY has become as a show.
@Lunar Night Phyrra? Yeah, it should have been clear that non of the authors for the show had real talent writing. Season 1-3 had charme but not much quality outside of good fight choreography. So when they increased the stakes. They wrote themseves into a corner.
Bubble Butt I don’t think that he “didn’t an idea” for the story or character. That would be unlikely. I believe that he just didn’t have much talent as a storyteller. That is not the same. I can have an idea for an epic war scene, where giant rock Yetis march into battle with mountain tops as clubs as weapons. Doesn’t mean that I have the talent to write it cohesively. Monty’s strength was at his action choreography. In looking at a scene and asking himself: “what would make this more fun?”. This is a valid and important ability to make something great. But he always lacked end goals and how to get there. It was part of his animation philosophy. He said, that he didn’t really plan any of his epic fight scenes out too much. He just did what looked cool at the moment.
Playing Devil's advocate for a sec: I honestly feel that this more just a rushed artist combined with a lack of editorial oversight. However, is it actually possible for an IP owner to steal fan works, considering their derivative nature? People may see the word "derivative" as inherently negative or insulting but it's the most accurate descriptor. Fan works are derived in whole from existing works with a connection to them. They are advertised on that connection with nothing that truly separates them from that original work. I know that some might cry "Fair Use", however I'm not sure it applies. Fan works are rarely (if at all) transformative enough and could easily be confused with official media. A company or creator could easily shut down a convention's artist alley due to copyright infringement and be well within their rights (although they wouldn't because of the backlash).
I disagree. Immensely. Most classic art is fanart if the Bible. If you draw the Eiffel tower do the Parisian government own that piece? Of course not. And this isn't even that at all. This person designed an all new weapon. It IS intellectual property. No one but him gets to claim the creation rights. It's one thing to make money over it officially, as he is not the creator of RWBY. This is not fanart if an already existing weapon. If you commission an artist to create concept art for you, they get credit and monetary compensation for their official use. That's how art business works.
@@nobody-xh6ii No, no. You are very very wrong. That is not how intellectual property works. The guy combined different things to make something new, so that deign belongs to him. It is a RWBY fanart, but still HI original design. If we go by your definition RWBY owes money to dead German men for being based off of Fairy Tales. It is taking something existing, and transforming it with your own creativity that makes it Intellectual Property. The comic lifted his design without any changes. THAT is plagiarism.
I don't see how this is a DC or Rooster Teeth problem. It's clearly on the blame of the artist and artist alone. They have editors sure, but I can't fault the editor for missing a reference to a little channel that didn't have that many views (before the incident). On the other hand, the artist knew what they were doing and just went with it. Punish the artist, not the writers, editor, DC or RT.
I really like how you handled this video Drake. Calm and to the point with that was happening, and while you gave your opinion it wasn't flooded with tense emotions that others could be swept up in! I do hope Chris gets credit for his designs, but seeing your update that the comic at least as a different colour and design for the gun will have to be enough in this case. Thank you for your hard work on your videos and stay awesome!
If I had to guess at what happened here I'd guess that someone working on the comic saw the gun in the past and it registered subconsciously and they drew it, realised they done goofed and have changed it. It would make no sense for a company that's very open to fan content to suddenly steal what is after all a very minor piece of artwork
Oh, man I just realized that the Dust Tri-volver looks almost like Vincent Valentine's Cerberus and Kaze's Magun from Final Fantasy VII and Final Fantasy Unlimited. All three are essential triple barreled revolvers. Although I think the Dust Tri-volver resembles the Magun the most. Also I am a little upset too, that DC and Roosterteeth didn't give Mr. Chris Lee any Credit or citation when Chris Lee himself cited how he had was influenced by Cerberus and Finnick's trident at the end of his video. Come to think of it he makes sure to cite every inspiration at the end of his videos.
the knife-sight is the damning thing, though. chris had the decency to cite the cerberus and it looks different enough that it isn't an exact copy ( note the coloring and the aforementioned knife-sight ) while DC/RT has this suspiciously too similar gun design in their own comic very disappointed in DC. i thought they were better than this
i’ve never been into RWBY, i’ve always seen the show as glorified MMD animation, but this just sucks. I’m glad they took care of it but still, it’s sucky.
Although didnt he just upload it to youtube? How would RWBY have any write to use it if it was distributed or published on another website entirely? Since if that excerpt just applies to their website then it wouldnt matter if it was on youtube since Rooster Teeth is only using RUclips to distribute their work not the other way around meaning theoretically they should be following RUclipss guidelines not their own since that only applies to their website, correct?
@@lukeduran12 Where exactly is your source for this? If this was true then RWBY wouldnt have to even state the guidelines they did in this video if that's how copyright works nor would it even be considered stealing then. Since regardless of its title and similar concepts it still belongs to the guy who made it, heck, RWBY doesnt own transforming weapons, that's something you need a patent for. Otherwise Kingdom Hearts an anime inspired video game with transforming weapons like RWBY is an anime inspired cartoon with transforming weapons, if that was the case then KHs ideas and weapons should be owned by RWBY by that logic. Heck, even that title part is ridiculous considering that would still be plagiarism regardless of the title since they only have rights to the title not the item made which is the point of this discussion. Heck, this argument comes across as an excuse to justify something as my first point previously debunks even if it should really only apply to their website and not youtube since they dont own anything on there and have no grounds on what can or cant be made on this site only their own especially when none of us have signed a terms of conditions here that carries over to RWBYs site that's why terms of conditions exist to act as contracts in trade of a service something RWBY cant give us on this platform since they have no power to distribute it or cant because its youtubes site not theres.
That's seriously in their terms of service? Why would you want to blatantly tell someone that you are going to ripoff their work simply because it was posted on your site?
Now rooster teeth legal info you showed applies to rooster teeth website, but if i recall, the trivolver vid and art was not posted on roosterteeth.com, plus, i dont know how much it applies if we take into consideration that DC is the ones making the comics
...me personally I Get the back lash. But not really. It's one gun design as a shout out showing that they see fan art. If it was me I'd be buying a dozen copies to show my friends. That doesn't go for bigger pieces where by copying a fans art your stealing the entire style and composition of an artist but to make a big deal about this without taking a deep breath and allow them to "make it right" to the fan.
@@Mr_Zx I mean I you created a comic years upon years ago while continuously expanded your fictional world. Then dc drew a concept ring from your comic and you added that to ur comic....well yeah I guess then it would be a relevant comparison.
1:57 Wait a second. Does this apply to the stuff I posted to ScrewAttack in the past? Or is that stuff even there anymore? I mean, I kind of figured that RoosterTeeth was getting the rights to their website too.
May or may not be the case, but I wonder how often people get “inspired” by fan art or otherwise someone else’s work and unwittingly just copy the idea because they forgot about the source material. I remember hearing a story about this and a guy getting caught. He fought the idea of such a thing until he saw the original piece and admitted that he basically ripped off someone work. Wish I remembered where I heard this or read this. I remember a long time ago the Extra Credits guys said their main writer wasn’t allowed to check fan mail lest he be influenced by fan suggestions and ideas for games. If he accidentally used a fan’s idea, then he may have had legal backlash. At least that’s the idea from what gathered.
That bit in the Terms and Services is bog-standard legal boilerplate that pretty much every website that allows the submission of user content uses. It's specifically designed to allow the company who owns the website to display said content on the website in whatever format is necessary. Without this legal boilerplate, the company in question would not legally be able to create and display thumbnails of user content images, among many other things. It does not grant them the legal go-ahead to take a design created by a user and put it in a comic book.
What DC Comics did was not illegal by any means. People just like to make a big deal out of small things, not to mention, I can't take most people seriously when they blame RT mostly and not DC Comics (the people at fault. )
Honestly DC and Roosterteeth should just credit the artist its not hard to put in the credits at the end of the episode, or in the comics Design inspired by *artist's name here*
They keep submitting it to the damm website its going be their's to use at will and or their discretion free of charge and they don't have to compensate you or credit your artwork
they claim they have the right to use any fan art uploaded to their site....except it was uploaded to youtube not to Rooster teeth's site while their user agreement on their site says they can use RWBY related fanart from other sites without the artist permission that's NOT actually true
That.... that cannot be legally viable. Especially since it discusses around the world, meanwhile copyright laws are different from country to country.
legally he owns no rights to anything RWBY created, concept or otherwise, since it is owned by roosterteeth. yes its messed up that they didnt give him credit for the concept but at the same time they dont have to. its not the first time this has happened. rewind the clocks back to early 2000 with Dragonball Z concepts and you would see blue, red, and white hair super sayains all over the place. where do you think akira got the idea from...
You're saying Rooster Teeth can just say "any fan art you make ever belongs to us" and that's legal? What gives them that right? It wasn't even uploaded to the rooster teeth website, it was on RUclips. Am I misunderstanding?
Just to be clear: the sniper-axe is from a fan-made team. Rooster teeth had a contest for fan-made team to be used as one of the tournament losing team. The creators of the teams knew they could be used and agree to it when submiting their team design and weapons. I believe, in this specific instance, your blame was misplace and if thievery there was for the sniper-axe, it happen before the RWBY team used it.
You know what, As a comic artist, it's hard enough as a comic artist to make a living. Most of the time most comic artist (or illustrators for that matter) have to have a day job just to try and make the comics thing work. The idea that companies that hire and employ people are lifting concepts from people who are essentially working on fan projects and getting paid nothing is really upsetting. This industry would be nothing without the creativity of the fan communities that surround them. The sad part is that the "professionals" that eventually ascend (in spite of the chances of failure) aren't even pulled from the fan communities that love these franchises so much. In short, the ones that benefit from this sort of nonsense, in a lot of cases weren't even fans of the franchise to begin with. They have no real skin in the game. This is just another project for them to work on that can generate revenue.
I will never understand how the rest of Rooster Teeth is so morally sound & wholesome, but the RWBY faction of the company has become an absolute dumpster fire
Now watch as they steal a character from a fan and don't give credit like they did with the weapon. Noone would admit to thievery unless there is evidence and strong backlash like the loss of profit.
I'm at a point in my life where the notion of owning an idea is absurd. And even if I did, the moment that idea is passed onto someone else, no matter how closely they copy it, it immidiatly becomes something else as a result of moving into a different intellectual environment. For the purposes of operating in the world, I accept that certain idea are "mine" -- but I don't cling to them. If someone else wants them, they're welcome to it and are often in circumstances where the content is of better use than it would be to me anyway. This is not true of most people. RT and DC needs to be more careful about exploiting these ideas because the artists in question are more than likely to take it the wrong way. Even though most of them would love to be involved with the project in that way, the idea that the ego can claim credit for what it produces is a very deeply ingrained social game that has to be respected if you're going to cooperate with them as consumers.
Problem: in a DC comic that Rooster Teeth has allowed to be made (for both entertainment and funding purposes probably) a fan weapon was practically shown. Solution: don't just shit on the companies involved, do some research,and compare the designed weapon with the drawn one. Conclusion: more then likely, DC, as they make the comics, saw this guy's work, then thought it was okay to use it (since he was a fan). This lead to this problem and now both companies (Rooster Teeth most definitely) are getting bad reps for some pretty bad ideas on both ends. DC for this... "Odd" looking comic of RWBY that doesn't look to be in the canon and weapon theft, and Rooster Teeth for even letting them make this comic.
@@nobody-xh6ii You have no clue what you are talking about. 1: RT does not own it for having the RWBY name on it. 2: Rwby did not make the weapon's like this first. like ruby's is basically just Ragna's weapon but instead of a sword it was a gun. As well most of RWBY's concepts are not even original. it is like saying RWBY is owned by the people that own the rights to fairy tales that they used to make the main characters.
Thanks for pointing this out! It's always nice to see people doing the right thing, just because it's right, not because they're getting anything out of it.
Omg :/ RT is so low they will steal ideas from fans. Is it safe to be a rwby fan and make art anymore? If you make an amazing idea or design it seems RT will steal it and not give credit to the fan who made it:(
Update
Rooster Teeth has addressed the design and changed the art for the gun to be less like Chris Lee's Dust Trivolver. This will be the version printed in the physical release as well.
Comic Drake yo
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Comic Drake well that is scummy. Instead of standing up for their mistake and giving credit they essentially just pretend it didn’t happen.
What A”holes
As a huge fan of both rooster teeth and game theory I am disappointed to see a former theorist making a big deal out of a big misunderstanding. Rooster teeth has clarified that DC does the comic and RT just proof reads it and they weren’t aware of Chris lees work and since they have acknowledged the issue you can’t badmouth them the way you are! I expected more from a theorist and fellow Rwby fan!
And now it's her crop, so the ripoff by DC is extra stupid and pointless.
"Being a fan doesn't mean I'm just going to ignore when they do shitty things"
SAY IT AGAIN, LOUDER FOR THE FANS ON THE BACK!
Thank you
every big company fandom ever in existence when the creators messed up
I feel like they should hire Chris for concept art, it’s obvious they like his stuff
The problem is that its easier to steal than to employ him.
whats bad is there are literally people in this comment section saying roosterteeth is within their right because he didn't place a copyright on his youtube videos, and didn't do anything morally wrong. within their rights i dont have a choice but to agree that is how the trash system works, but not morally wrong? bullshit
Why would they do that? Then they'd have to pay him.
It would be nice if they hired fans to help the concept art of things
Hell if they want a voice for a new character or something a fan with acting talent would be nice too ……
That sucks. If they asked, I'm 100% sure he'd say yes.
And it's fucking sad how it's that easy yet they take anyway.
Great artists steal, not copy.
@@inactive9544 Benjamin Franklin never invented anything he just copywrited inventions before his neighbors could afford to, carpe diem or whatever bullshit you choose to consume that they feed you, just because its legal doesn't mean its right
legally: apparently right
But morally: very very very very very wrong.
Company's don't care to be Morally right only legally right.
Yep.
Maybe they just wanted to refrence something form the fans
Just because it's correct doesn't mean it's right.
Ren Amamiya That would be fine, except that they weren’t referencing it. Citation is different from plagiarism. Taking a fan design is different from making a reference. They didn’t at all link the actual creator of the design to the artwork, which would be done if it were indeed a reference, nor did they address the issue or update the comic.
This is not a reference. This is theft.
People wondering why they didn’t just ask permission, the answer is simple: didn’t want to risk having to pay the creator a single cent; They didn’t want to brave the HORRIBLE risk of asking a fan if they could use their design and the fan *gasp* asking for compensation
When it was posted online as a "RWBY weapon", that made it a derivative work, and RT could use it without permission. Saying thanks would be nice - and because RT has done that in the past with fan-made content, I suspect DC's involvement. Not excusing RT for this, but the comics are DC's work, and RT really doesn't seem to be involved. They don't seem to even know what's in them for the most part.
Same thing could be said on rwby's dead creator lmao
Arvin Jay VERY uncalled for.
300-I.Q. Prower yeah the guy isn’t legally obligated to a single cent though, not based off of an original work. Not even attempting to be
As a comic artist myself, I’m going to play devil’s advocate here. There’s a real chance that the artist was simply looking for references online to make the world as Canonical as possible, not realizing that this Trivolver was fan made. Again I’m not condoning intellectual theft of any kind but I’m willing to give the artist from DC the benefit of the doubt here
That's what I believe honestly.
If this came from DC, they might not have known.
I recall a commission where I kinda had to use a previous commission as a reference and accidentally drew something that wasn't actually a part of their character and was just there as a part of the scene.
*shrug* I mean. If it wasn't that way, shame on them, but this COULD just be an honest mistake and with the way they're changing it out, I feel like that's the case. As critical as I am of RT recently, I don't think this one was done intentionally.
As an RPG industry freelancer who has worked on big-name IPs, I have to agree with Infinity Art. This is likely an honest attempt at research that was done a little too quickly. And that sort of language on their TOS has to be there. It has to, to protect them in the cases where parallel ideas do occur. Most companies historically have had a policy to return unsolicited submissions unopened, for just this reason. Since the only similar alternative in the modern age is to just forbid the posting of fan art or story ideas, their TOS must contain language that protects them.
Apologies for responding to a two year old comment, but just to let you know: this is exactly what happened, according to the artist for the issue. They looked up references and caught a fan design.
This is unacceptable because artists spend so much time on these things
Yeah I dont think anyone on earth is losing sleep because an artist at DC decided to spend at most 5 minutes drawing a weapon a fan made based on their intellectual property. They should feel grateful someone at DC even did this rather than throw up some kind of temper tantrum or stir controversy over this nonsense. At the end of the day all I can see is that this is either about money or egotistical notoriety.
How is it okay to take art from someone else!!?
@@acthoundentertainment Your right I would feel honored if I made a meal with my blood, sweat, and tears for someone and then they so kindly took my recipe and claimed it as their own. Like who really needs credit these days right? Next I might just take videos from this guy and claim them as my own.
@@galaxyvulture6649 You picked a very bad analogy to use. Food recipes are one of the most wildly distributed and used forms of art on earth if not the largest, everyone steals and uses other peoples dishes and culinary tips, tricks, etc without due credit globally so yes why do you need that credit? Can you remember the first chef to work with noodles? Do you even remotely care? I'm going to assume no to both of those questions.
@@acthoundentertainment The point was that it's still pretty messed up. The food analogy makes sense because like with art it's not illegal (as long as no copyright or whatever on art) to take it without crediting. It's messed up and several youtubers have done this. I really don't get your noodle argument though since a lot of dishes use the techniques to make noodles for their own original recipes. I wouldn't want someone to be credited because I made chicken alfredo in my own style. Like with art you borrow some techniques to add to your own. I still do this now to try and find an art style that suits my taste.
I agree that a knife gun isn't a complex or even original design, but the design and coloring of the knife in addition to the triple barrel revolver and the knife covering the sight is highly suspect. Due to their terms of service, this is totally legal, but it's still a scummy move imo,
I'd also like to apologize about this not being up yo my channel's normal standards. I quickly put this together since I'm currently working on other, much larger, videos. I hope those will make up for the images in this one being so static.
It's cool dude.
We know you've got a lot of work to do.
It's okay. It is since to see a new upload. Does suck RT and DC are able to get away with it.
So if you make fan art and post it online, they can use it?
I mean even if it's not very creative it still took time and effort to create and render, them changing it slightly is something but that dosent take away from what they did
Everyone should stop posting stuff on there site. Since you essential throwing your work away.
Rooster teeth got very corporate after WarnerMedia bought them.
They have certainly lost a lot of what had made them special and their willingness to screw over their own employees, contractors and even fans has really let them down.
Yea, but this whole incident is because of DC COMICS, not RT
@@zackrose6261 We don't know that any blame pinning is pretty much speculation as we don't know how involved Rooster Teeth were.
@@Threads_Of_Fate RT's main focus is obviously the show it self, pretty sure they just give the creators of the manga and the comics just a general lay out of how the story goes. And even if RT was involved, it would be the blame of who ever was over seeing the work, until that's known, the full blame should be on DC comics since their the ones who are making the comic version.
@@Threads_Of_Fate We do know RT Dosent make the Art, or write the comic. So it's at best very unlikely they had something to do with this
they got bought out?
My Red Vs. Blue is owned by has-been fuckwads?
I bet Monty would be ashamed to see his work tarnished like this, especially with his amazing talent and imagination to even create RWBY to begin with.
Both Monty and RT started as internet nobodies and skyrocketed to internet stardom in certain fandoms. With Monty sadly gone and not able to defend his work RT should be trying harder to protect his memory and legacy.
There has been rumor that Monty stole the design of someone else’s clothing. This isn’t the first time and I’m sure there several others who weren’t credited.
RT are the ones tarnishing his legacy. I mean have you seen the latest volumes?
@@Finch_forgor They are okay, but sociopath shit on it, because it doesn't follow their head Canon.
Monty left his notebook at RT after his passing which has the original ideas for volume 4-6. RT just didn’t follow his ideas and rewrite them, nowadays real RWBY fans are leaving RWBY cuz they know that RT only cares about pleasing the toxic “fans” with new character’s clothes design, which RT thinks they can win back the original fans.
They’re pandering to twitter mobs and shippers. Not something that should ever be done.
It's not like people are demanding money or that they immediately hire him. Just give some credit and reference the guy.
This seems more likely to be something on DC’s end. Who actually drew it.
If the sniper axe thing is true, it’s both.
My irl headcanon is that the artist thought that the "RWBY concept series" was legit, not fanmade. Lul.
@@Gloomdrake The axe I don't really believe. What we got with Team Bronze didn't completely match with the art that he claims it was taken from. Turning the sniper barrel into the handle of the ax, and the handle of the sniper rifle into the ax head, isn't hard at all to think of.
@@archierm
I don't want to be mean but this just really bugs me.
1.) People don't use headcanon when talking about real life. Just say theory or guess its a shorter word anyways
2.) Lul doesn't even mean anything, please leave it in 2013 where it died.
Well the rifle axe defo rooster teeth.
I think it's more than likely that they meant it as a "Oh look we're acknowledging the fan community!" sort of thing, and if it was, it was really poorly executed.
I agree with you however apparently previous times when things like this occured, they actually credited the artist
@@i8u2manytimes Yeah and this instance is a little too close to be a coincidence
Honestly as an artist I think there's 2 possibilities to why this happened, 1. They actually did it on purpose to show to the community, or instead, the artist did without knowledge of it's superiors, or, 2. They actually crunched their artists, that one just took the first reference that saw and shipped it without proper examination...
Honestly Idk which one is worse
@@Kirayni The only way to really know is if they make a statement about it, which I doubt they'll do anytime soon :/
@@ittybittysquiddie3105 True :T
Mad respect for Drake on this one. I don't know how deeply things like PR and networking run or how complex it can become. To me it seems like a huge risk to criticize not one but two major companies your business model is connected to. Especially since alot of comic youtubers either have or aspire to have close working relationships with arms of various publishers. This could lead to alot of work or remove opportunities. So, whatever differences of opinion I have with Drake. He's the fucking man for sticking to his guns.
Drake is trash
@@banzaikampfmaschine_der_echte Then, why are you here? Watching a video of someone you dislike?
Come on DC, give credit where credit is due
Wait Rooster teeth has a term in their terms of service that basically says "If you make something that's related to our franchises we can use it"?!
Now that I think about it, it's kind of messed up
Also a bit hypocritical since their entire success was based off of using Bungie’s work
Justas every big company that has canvases like that have that in their TOS, Bethesda is known for that.
WilburForce once they got well known because of RVB, Microsoft contacted them afterwards bringing RVB into the Halo canon, sooooo.
Technically all fanart is owned by the copyright holder
I think that they should apologize and credit the artist even a bit. I love DC and Rooster Teeth but this only looks bad.
On legality, this is for the roosterteeth website and refers to works that are "submitted" to Rooster teeth. If Chris Lee submitted/posted his concepts on Rooster Teeth's site then he is bound to them. Just because you post something on RUclips doesn't mean you agree to another site's terms of service.
Connor Lewandosky re read the legal agreement, any and all derivative works on any media platforms is covered in their agreement. legal wise, if it's labeled RWBY, it's RT property.
@@Oculusinfinium But what I don't get is, if one does not agree to the terms of service of the site then are they not bound to it? 3.1 Your Content does include "any media formats and through and media channels"
@@Oculusinfinium It does raise a question about the relationship between fan-made content and how companies should act in incorporating fan-made content into the official content.
Connor Lewandosky legal wise, by using RWBY content, you are agreeing to the clause, but I agree completely that from an ethical standpoint, it is wrong to use the content without giving credit. I believe the update says they are changing it.
@@Oculusinfinium in that case I guess you're right. All this legal stuff can get kind of confusing.
I think I speak for most artists, fans, and everyone in general when I say I wouldn't mind if I had a design of mine appear on something as long as I'm credited for it.
Otherwise, it's basically stealing. Even if it's a fan made design.
Christian Rosales not legally stealing though. Anyway you look at it it isn’t
Luke Duran true. But they should at least credit the guy, tho.
Bubble Butt well that sucks.
Regardless of TOS and regardless of if he submitted it to RT, it's not illegal to draw a rough sketch of an item seen in a 3d animation uploaded to youtube. Copyright does not apply.
legally, it's fine, but morally, they could've at least given the artist a little credit. it costs nothing to put out a statement, after all.
That's not fair, give fans credit, when credit is due
I personally don’t like rooster teeth. They produce, in my opinion, subpar shows, and since their acquisition of death battle everything has gone controversial to the extreme.
Marx Jester I’m not to surprised that you think that. Most huge RT fans love things like RvB, which is litteraly a show based on using Bungie’s/343’s work on the Halo series.
WilburForce let me tell you RvB going to take the same fate as Rwby someday let's see how their reaction was
@@brandonvortex995 It already kinda
did since Miles and Kerry's writing isnt that good.
That Dust Trivolver looks suspiciously similar to the DenGasher (a weapon with six components that can be arranged into a sword, rod, axe, gun, boomerang and naginata used by Kamen Rider Den-O and a few other riders) in Gun Mode. The Aura Ax (the axe blade part of the DenGasher) is even in the same position as the blade of the Dust Trivolver.
Glad I'm not the only one who thought that.
Oh hey, I finally found a Kamen Rider reference in another comic book RUclipsr besides Linkara.
Also, hey somebody is referencing Kamen Rider. I like that.
@@QwErTy-cw6fh My channel and my non-content channel have plenty of Kamen Rider and Super Sentai related stuff.
Thank goodness they removed the revolver for the trade, stealing art is really freak'n scummy. Even then, the wand Glinda uses makes more sense anyway, I can't ever recall her using an actual gun on the show.
Btw terms of use are not legally binding. Especially when they conflict with actually copyright law. So all the legalise is just bs. I’d sue if they did that to me. Especially since the gun itself is not inherently linked to rwby and is just a general trick weapon design, easy to plug into any medium. Clearly the rwby team had no right to use it without contracting the creator. Sue them.
Didn't DC have a policy where they don't accept unsolicited concepts or ideas? This is a bit surprising on their part. I hope they give due credit.
They didn't even need to pay him, just the credit would've been nice
BOTFrosty they legally shouldn’t pay him
Aw man. Screw Attack. That takes me back.
People are really quick to jump on the hate for RT and DC when the reality is that the fault lies solely on the artist, neither company probably would have known and the artist would have needed a design for a pistol and stole it and any editorial would have either assumed it was a pre existing design or an original design of the artist.
I would have quit being a fan,
Just give credit where credit is due.
Jorge Marin for them credits is irrelevant that's the sad fact
also, that weapon was posted to youtube? How does RT cover their shady dealings by using something posted to youtube
I'm betting this was on the DC end.
Stop pointing fingers when this was obviously DC comics at hand and not RT.
@@zackrose6261 rwby died when Monty died stop defending thier scummy actions
@@Mr_Zx You know, people like you are the type of people monty wouldn't like to see. Really shows how much you actually care about the man when all you can do is blame his very close FRIENDS for everything and shit all over them with insults. You need to actually start using your BRAIN for once, you may actually learn something and understand that the people working on the comics were DC COMICS, NOT ROOSTER TEETH.
Monty would honestly be very disappointed in you guys.
I remember a time when something like this would be looked as good. fan art being used by the creators meant that the creators saw your work, liked it and thought it would fit in the world perfectly. I remember when people wished their original creations could get into the series they like. That being said if RWBY has referenced the artists they took the designs from prior, then the should do it now still
I agree that it would be nice if the creator was in the credits, but people do have to keep in mind that there are like 100.000 fanart design of rwby teams, weapons and semblance out there. It's hard to design a new wheel. Something will always resemble something that's already invented. BTW Lee's design is also inspired by some simular weapons.
Wait their policy doesn't account for his designs because they are on his RUclips channel which isn't owned by Warner Bros who owns Roosterteeth and DC but is owned by Alphabet Inc, which isn't owned by Warner Bros. If they're talking about fan art on any website, then that's complete BS and everyone knows it. Companies don't take fan art without credit. In fact most of them would hire them if they are really good. That's like going on Reddit, those forums, Twitter, and weird NSFW websites and taking that art/concept and not give credit.
rxzero00 however it is using their intellectual property so any rights he had to the art are forfeit
@@lukeduran12 Well wouldn't that apply to every fan art of every series.
rxzero00 yes and it does. Just most companies don’t enforce it or they have the brains to make original products and not rip it off
@@lukeduran12 Doesn't change the fact that it is shady as heck.
Shows are allowed to take fanart. You don't own the IP, they do. It sucks but they can cause it doesn't go under fair use, unless its a parody which is fair use.
Yeah this does look much more like straight up copying the concept than simply taking inspiration. I'd understand if it were just a multi-chambered gun, but the design itself is IDENTICAL.
@@nobody-xh6ii Except he does. The terms of service ONLY apply to what's submitted to the Rooster Teeth site. These weapon designs, to my knowledge, never were. Meaning that this is in fact theft and the artist should receive credit/compensation.
this is entirely on DC's side as they drew comic while RT does try to make sure to not fan stuff without permission
Rooster teeth's legal team be like: let's make a mouthful that no one will read but that gives us complete power over everything! For ever!!!
Why is this a “Rooster Teeth” problem? This is a penciler and editor problem at DC. Rooster Teeth probably didn’t know a thing about it.
The fact that this happened TWICE is very sus
On top of that they gave it to Goodwitch, the character they basically burned because of their interactions with her voice actress.
After a former employee released a letter detailing his disapproval with how they were handling his friend Monty's (recently deceased at the time) work there was blow back. He claimed that the new heads of the show were making mistakes and going against the designs of the original creator, not to mention his complaints about the working conditions and demands on him and his team. Afterwards the voice actress for Goodwitch joined him claiming that the grievances were valid and true. From there she had a few more heated complaints about the companies habits and she was fired, her character all but being written out of the show. Which is a real shame because I imagine most fans would have liked to see how she was handling Vale in the aftermath.
I mean she also went on a tirade on Twitter about how RT had no apparent support for its female employees during her time there while simultaneously claiming Ashley Jenkins only got to where she was in the company because of her relationship with Burnie and also demeaning the accomplishments of other ladies in the company and playing "no u" with people who said she was being unfair to Ashley but go off I guess.
@@neonal18 Oh yeah she definitely wasn't helping her case at that point. I'm just wondering what brought her to the point where she wanted to air what she viewed as a bunch of dirty laundry to the public. I don't know what happened and won't claim to, but something must have to make her start turning against her bosses.
what a shame that this happened to this guy he should get some kind of credit even if he doesn't get money come on now
Actually the triple barrel gun is just valentine's gun from FF7
With a blade on it
Doesn't DC comics have a strict policy on using fan made material for their work? Pretty sure someone got fired for this.
I'm pretty sure the artist just Google'd "RWBY revolver" and Chris' design was among the first results and they just thought it was an official design, especially since it was gonna be used for just one panel and is not even meant to be the main focus.
Considering the entire context about many of the RWBY staff, this doesn’t really surprise me.
What sucks even more is how bad RWBY has become as a show.
Frank West it's like the Creator died and they just kept going with no real direction for the show.
@Lunar Night Phyrra? Yeah, it should have been clear that non of the authors for the show had real talent writing. Season 1-3 had charme but not much quality outside of good fight choreography. So when they increased the stakes. They wrote themseves into a corner.
Bubble Butt I don’t think that he “didn’t an idea” for the story or character. That would be unlikely. I believe that he just didn’t have much talent as a storyteller. That is not the same. I can have an idea for an epic war scene, where giant rock Yetis march into battle with mountain tops as clubs as weapons. Doesn’t mean that I have the talent to write it cohesively.
Monty’s strength was at his action choreography. In looking at a scene and asking himself: “what would make this more fun?”. This is a valid and important ability to make something great. But he always lacked end goals and how to get there. It was part of his animation philosophy. He said, that he didn’t really plan any of his epic fight scenes out too much. He just did what looked cool at the moment.
So a company who originally made Halo fan videos for their content, is now ignoring fans who make fan videos of their content?
Playing Devil's advocate for a sec: I honestly feel that this more just a rushed artist combined with a lack of editorial oversight. However, is it actually possible for an IP owner to steal fan works, considering their derivative nature? People may see the word "derivative" as inherently negative or insulting but it's the most accurate descriptor. Fan works are derived in whole from existing works with a connection to them. They are advertised on that connection with nothing that truly separates them from that original work.
I know that some might cry "Fair Use", however I'm not sure it applies. Fan works are rarely (if at all) transformative enough and could easily be confused with official media. A company or creator could easily shut down a convention's artist alley due to copyright infringement and be well within their rights (although they wouldn't because of the backlash).
I disagree. Immensely. Most classic art is fanart if the Bible.
If you draw the Eiffel tower do the Parisian government own that piece? Of course not. And this isn't even that at all.
This person designed an all new weapon. It IS intellectual property. No one but him gets to claim the creation rights. It's one thing to make money over it officially, as he is not the creator of RWBY. This is not fanart if an already existing weapon. If you commission an artist to create concept art for you, they get credit and monetary compensation for their official use. That's how art business works.
But you are right about artist alleys. As much as I love them, they really don't have the right to monetize someone else's IP.
@@nobody-xh6ii No, no. You are very very wrong. That is not how intellectual property works.
The guy combined different things to make something new, so that deign belongs to him. It is a RWBY fanart, but still HI original design. If we go by your definition RWBY owes money to dead German men for being based off of Fairy Tales. It is taking something existing, and transforming it with your own creativity that makes it Intellectual Property.
The comic lifted his design without any changes. THAT is plagiarism.
I don't think this would have had anything to do with rooster teeth. Probably DC
Perhaps
I don't see how this is a DC or Rooster Teeth problem. It's clearly on the blame of the artist and artist alone. They have editors sure, but I can't fault the editor for missing a reference to a little channel that didn't have that many views (before the incident).
On the other hand, the artist knew what they were doing and just went with it. Punish the artist, not the writers, editor, DC or RT.
MissingClover seriously this. It’s not like comics are run by a commission of people staring over an artist 24/7 fact checking every dot
0:37, those lips though
RWBY kinda sucks so for me this doesn’t really disturb me like at all
what's next? stealing an fan OCs then *claimed* that it is their original character
I really like how you handled this video Drake. Calm and to the point with that was happening, and while you gave your opinion it wasn't flooded with tense emotions that others could be swept up in! I do hope Chris gets credit for his designs, but seeing your update that the comic at least as a different colour and design for the gun will have to be enough in this case. Thank you for your hard work on your videos and stay awesome!
Imagine having an axe as a butt stock on a 50cal Sniper rifle that has bad recoil, say goodbye to your arm
would've been better if it was jus' a bludgeon and not a sharp axe.
If I had to guess at what happened here I'd guess that someone working on the comic saw the gun in the past and it registered subconsciously and they drew it, realised they done goofed and have changed it. It would make no sense for a company that's very open to fan content to suddenly steal what is after all a very minor piece of artwork
Oh, man I just realized that the Dust Tri-volver looks almost like Vincent Valentine's Cerberus and Kaze's Magun from Final Fantasy VII and Final Fantasy Unlimited.
All three are essential triple barreled revolvers. Although I think the Dust Tri-volver resembles the Magun the most. Also I am a little upset too, that DC and Roosterteeth didn't give Mr. Chris Lee any Credit or citation when Chris Lee himself cited how he had was influenced by Cerberus and Finnick's trident at the end of his video. Come to think of it he makes sure to cite every inspiration at the end of his videos.
the knife-sight is the damning thing, though. chris had the decency to cite the cerberus and it looks different enough that it isn't an exact copy ( note the coloring and the aforementioned knife-sight ) while DC/RT has this suspiciously too similar gun design in their own comic
very disappointed in DC. i thought they were better than this
i’ve never been into RWBY, i’ve always seen the show as glorified MMD animation, but this just sucks. I’m glad they took care of it but still, it’s sucky.
Although didnt he just upload it to youtube? How would RWBY have any write to use it if it was distributed or published on another website entirely? Since if that excerpt just applies to their website then it wouldnt matter if it was on youtube since Rooster Teeth is only using RUclips to distribute their work not the other way around meaning theoretically they should be following RUclipss guidelines not their own since that only applies to their website, correct?
Sogeking if it was labeled as RWBY with incredibly similar concepts then yes they own it
@@lukeduran12 Where exactly is your source for this? If this was true then RWBY wouldnt have to even state the guidelines they did in this video if that's how copyright works nor would it even be considered stealing then. Since regardless of its title and similar concepts it still belongs to the guy who made it, heck, RWBY doesnt own transforming weapons, that's something you need a patent for. Otherwise Kingdom Hearts an anime inspired video game with transforming weapons like RWBY is an anime inspired cartoon with transforming weapons, if that was the case then KHs ideas and weapons should be owned by RWBY by that logic. Heck, even that title part is ridiculous considering that would still be plagiarism regardless of the title since they only have rights to the title not the item made which is the point of this discussion. Heck, this argument comes across as an excuse to justify something as my first point previously debunks even if it should really only apply to their website and not youtube since they dont own anything on there and have no grounds on what can or cant be made on this site only their own especially when none of us have signed a terms of conditions here that carries over to RWBYs site that's why terms of conditions exist to act as contracts in trade of a service something RWBY cant give us on this platform since they have no power to distribute it or cant because its youtubes site not theres.
That's seriously in their terms of service? Why would you want to blatantly tell someone that you are going to ripoff their work simply because it was posted on your site?
Now rooster teeth legal info you showed applies to rooster teeth website, but if i recall, the trivolver vid and art was not posted on roosterteeth.com, plus, i dont know how much it applies if we take into consideration that DC is the ones making the comics
A_creator's stuff it doesn’t matter, it was used based in property and using their concepts and there name. They legally own it
...me personally I Get the back lash. But not really. It's one gun design as a shout out showing that they see fan art. If it was me I'd be buying a dozen copies to show my friends. That doesn't go for bigger pieces where by copying a fans art your stealing the entire style and composition of an artist but to make a big deal about this without taking a deep breath and allow them to "make it right" to the fan.
Oh then shout out to dc when I steel the idea of lanterns in a new comic
@@Mr_Zx I mean I you created a comic years upon years ago while continuously expanded your fictional world. Then dc drew a concept ring from your comic and you added that to ur comic....well yeah I guess then it would be a relevant comparison.
1:57 Wait a second. Does this apply to the stuff I posted to ScrewAttack in the past? Or is that stuff even there anymore? I mean, I kind of figured that RoosterTeeth was getting the rights to their website too.
1:46
Is the DC artist InCase?
If you don't know, I advise against looking it up.
May or may not be the case, but I wonder how often people get “inspired” by fan art or otherwise someone else’s work and unwittingly just copy the idea because they forgot about the source material. I remember hearing a story about this and a guy getting caught. He fought the idea of such a thing until he saw the original piece and admitted that he basically ripped off someone work. Wish I remembered where I heard this or read this.
I remember a long time ago the Extra Credits guys said their main writer wasn’t allowed to check fan mail lest he be influenced by fan suggestions and ideas for games. If he accidentally used a fan’s idea, then he may have had legal backlash. At least that’s the idea from what gathered.
That bit in the Terms and Services is bog-standard legal boilerplate that pretty much every website that allows the submission of user content uses. It's specifically designed to allow the company who owns the website to display said content on the website in whatever format is necessary. Without this legal boilerplate, the company in question would not legally be able to create and display thumbnails of user content images, among many other things.
It does not grant them the legal go-ahead to take a design created by a user and put it in a comic book.
What DC Comics did was not illegal by any means. People just like to make a big deal out of small things, not to mention, I can't take most people seriously when they blame RT mostly and not DC Comics (the people at fault. )
Update to the comic offically changed the gun you talked about into a blade-less version of it. It still has the triple revolver aspect though.
But did the original creator submit the design to Rooster Teeth? If not, why would the legalese apply?
Ok. But this is the 5th comic, how about the other 4 issues? Or their other content in RT that has alleged plagiarism?
*DC:* "You did this? I did this."
Honestly DC and Roosterteeth should just credit the artist its not hard to put in the credits at the end of the episode, or in the comics Design inspired by *artist's name here*
from what I a see I dc tracing for art again.... even marvel used to do it, it's a classic in the comic industry 😟
They keep submitting it to the damm website its going be their's to use at will and or their discretion free of charge and they don't have to compensate you or credit your artwork
This is stupid. Why not just give the guy credit? I don't see any downsides to this.
they claim they have the right to use any fan art uploaded to their site....except it was uploaded to youtube not to Rooster teeth's site while their user agreement on their site says they can use RWBY related fanart from other sites without the artist permission that's NOT actually true
That.... that cannot be legally viable.
Especially since it discusses around the world, meanwhile copyright laws are different from country to country.
It's also kind of funny how governments can turn businesses into little bitches
Holy cow I recognized that revolver! I'm an engineering student, so all of the fanmade RWBY weapons were awesome to me, including the trigun.
legally he owns no rights to anything RWBY created, concept or otherwise, since it is owned by roosterteeth. yes its messed up that they didnt give him credit for the concept but at the same time they dont have to. its not the first time this has happened. rewind the clocks back to early 2000 with Dragonball Z concepts and you would see blue, red, and white hair super sayains all over the place. where do you think akira got the idea from...
You're saying Rooster Teeth can just say "any fan art you make ever belongs to us" and that's legal? What gives them that right? It wasn't even uploaded to the rooster teeth website, it was on RUclips. Am I misunderstanding?
I assumed they were referencing chris as a nod to his work in the fandom
That's not how you do it and they know it. They were just too lazy to come up with an original idea so they decided to steal...
Just to be clear: the sniper-axe is from a fan-made team. Rooster teeth had a contest for fan-made team to be used as one of the tournament losing team. The creators of the teams knew they could be used and agree to it when submiting their team design and weapons. I believe, in this specific instance, your blame was misplace and if thievery there was for the sniper-axe, it happen before the RWBY team used it.
RWBY stealing other peoples designs/assets, what a surprise.
@@nobody-xh6ii Yeah, just funny how RWBY is a repeated offender.
You know what, As a comic artist, it's hard enough as a comic artist to make a living. Most of the time most comic artist (or illustrators for that matter) have to have a day job just to try and make the comics thing work. The idea that companies that hire and employ people are lifting concepts from people who are essentially working on fan projects and getting paid nothing is really upsetting. This industry would be nothing without the creativity of the fan communities that surround them. The sad part is that the "professionals" that eventually ascend (in spite of the chances of failure) aren't even pulled from the fan communities that love these franchises so much. In short, the ones that benefit from this sort of nonsense, in a lot of cases weren't even fans of the franchise to begin with. They have no real skin in the game. This is just another project for them to work on that can generate revenue.
Don’t care about the controversy, but that Weiss in the thumbnail has some good DSLs
Didn't Chris post the design on youtube not on RT?
I will never understand how the rest of Rooster Teeth is so morally sound & wholesome, but the RWBY faction of the company has become an absolute dumpster fire
0:33 Yang confirmed to be a time traveller
I still find it kind of crazy that DC and rooster teeth are both owned by Warner brothers
What?!? Get out, for real?
Dalton Riser monopolies baby, there back. After 100 years hope the economic singularity was worth the wait
Now watch as they steal a character from a fan and don't give credit like they did with the weapon. Noone would admit to thievery unless there is evidence and strong backlash like the loss of profit.
I'm at a point in my life where the notion of owning an idea is absurd. And even if I did, the moment that idea is passed onto someone else, no matter how closely they copy it, it immidiatly becomes something else as a result of moving into a different intellectual environment.
For the purposes of operating in the world, I accept that certain idea are "mine" -- but I don't cling to them. If someone else wants them, they're welcome to it and are often in circumstances where the content is of better use than it would be to me anyway.
This is not true of most people.
RT and DC needs to be more careful about exploiting these ideas because the artists in question are more than likely to take it the wrong way. Even though most of them would love to be involved with the project in that way, the idea that the ego can claim credit for what it produces is a very deeply ingrained social game that has to be respected if you're going to cooperate with them as consumers.
Problem: in a DC comic that Rooster Teeth has allowed to be made (for both entertainment and funding purposes probably) a fan weapon was practically shown.
Solution: don't just shit on the companies involved, do some research,and compare the designed weapon with the drawn one.
Conclusion: more then likely, DC, as they make the comics, saw this guy's work, then thought it was okay to use it (since he was a fan). This lead to this problem and now both companies (Rooster Teeth most definitely) are getting bad reps for some pretty bad ideas on both ends. DC for this... "Odd" looking comic of RWBY that doesn't look to be in the canon and weapon theft, and Rooster Teeth for even letting them make this comic.
@@nobody-xh6ii You have no clue what you are talking about. 1: RT does not own it for having the RWBY name on it. 2: Rwby did not make the weapon's like this first. like ruby's is basically just Ragna's weapon but instead of a sword it was a gun. As well most of RWBY's concepts are not even original. it is like saying RWBY is owned by the people that own the rights to fairy tales that they used to make the main characters.
What's with companies using fan art without permission recently?
Did they think no one would notice?
Sure it's illegal
Those kinds of TOS are dogshit and beatable in court.
Thanks for pointing this out! It's always nice to see people doing the right thing, just because it's right, not because they're getting anything out of it.
Omg :/ RT is so low they will steal ideas from fans. Is it safe to be a rwby fan and make art anymore? If you make an amazing idea or design it seems RT will steal it and not give credit to the fan who made it:(
That's on their website!?? Omg That kinda makes me Never want to work with them! D:
It's such an easy fix... I hope they make the right decision.
I'm done with RWBY