How Our Brains Learn Consciousness
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Neuroscience is abound with debates over the nature of consciousness. Which makes sense, because it’s a very abstract idea. We know we are conscious, but theories of why, how and what brain activity causes it are still simply that: theories.
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Our entire consciousness is a literal ball of eternal light energy, from Fathers light.
It not only circulates in the center, or around the heart of our vessels chest, but, throughout our entire body.
I’ve noticed that in a baby’s development there’s a point when their reactions to their environment changes. They go from very “primitive” behaviour, for lack of a better word, when they just start to drink when a breast or a bottle touches their mouth or cheek for example, to noticeably understanding what is about to happen. This change happens over a very short time. I can’t recall at which age in weeks or months it takes place, but that point feels like the moment their consciousness really starts to develop.
Many people(including my parents) don't believe me that I remember the day I spoke. That day I became aware If i remember it well. I choose not to tell them and just to pretend I can't speak. The day I uncovered my self is when the father brought me a toy. My father remembers that day. I can explain it in detail. But, he still doesn't believe me. He thinks I heard it somewhere
@@clysen8234 same goes for me.
Something that many philosophers have been quick to point out is that consciousness seems to necessarily have a social component. A subject that is isolated from human contact (like Genie "the wild child") doesn't develop or doesn't fully develop consciousness. Basically, there needs to be an "other" by which we can distinguish ourselves as a self. This typically happens early in our lives, when we note that others are lavishing attention on us, and that we must thus be a subject receiving that attention. In healthy child-rearing, this happens during infancy through the attention of a parent. Over time, we even develop the ability to see ourselves through others' eyes as our brain continues to "learns consciousness," to use the video's term. For these reasons, we can't fully conceive of consciousness purely in terms of brain states. There are subjective and social factors that need to be studied on their own terms since their neurochemical correlates don't give us the full picture.
"Who we are" & "our intelligence and sophistication" are indeed aspects developed within the distributed cognition of the Social Order and they’re refracted through every individual that develops and lives within that order. But consciousness itself-as the fundamental property of being conscious-has nothing to do with that. If you take a one year old human and put it on a deserted island with all the food and water it needs at a hand’s reach, they’ll most certainly maintain consciousness throughout their life. But they won’t ever speak a language, thus never think with words, never have a name for themselves, they’ll never know themselves as "punker", "rapper", "gamer", "athlete", "hard worker", "criminal", they won’t have a personal clothing style, have a "race", a "nationality", be a "sneaker aficionado", passionate about cuisine, they’ll never stream music, never know what music is, they won’t be a "christian" or "muslim", they won’t know they are "mortal" nor that they’ll go to some "heaven", they won’t know what the stars are, they won’t have any idea about the extent of the universe, why plants grow, they won’t even be sophisticated enough to be a flat earther or anti-vaxxer, etc etc. Imagine yourself without all that-what remains of "you"? I say that what remains is definitely not you, as in who you are right now.
*All the things we enjoy so much-including our very persona and our personality-are aspects developed and maintained by the Social Order and holographically reflected through each individual in a particular way.*
When Rudyard Kipling, the author of The Jungle Book, was in India there was a very interesting and very sad case of a boy who was literally raised by wolves. Hunters brought him back to civilization but he continued acting as a dog for the rest of his life. He was passed the phase of ‘language acquisition’ so his brain couldn’t receive and internalize the language pattern from the social order anymore. There are a few pictures with him sitting on all fours, empty-minded-that’s how every one of us would be outside the social order. You’re *not* born the glamorous "John" or "Jane" you know yourself to be, you developed your sophisticated self by the grace of the social order. This also increased your degree of consciousness and your palette of conscious states, yes-but being conscious in the first place has nothing to do with the social.
Conscious experience is something that only happens within the confines of the skull, but your mind goes beyond your body (as shown by 4E cognitive science).
Echo!
And it may not even all be in the brain, too. What about out of body experiences and such? How do they explain that?
@@JesuszillaS ...sensory distortion or dreaming
I wasn’t fully conscious and out of my coma until I could speak. In about one day, suddenly, my memories started forming again, I was motivated, I had beliefs and opinions (fortunately, I had never lost my knowledge-I was doing calculus as I started to wake up about a month before I fully came out of my coma), and I was so excited to tell my family that I loved them again. Then, about 20 hours later, I started speaking again.
I’m not sure if it’s communication leading to consciousness or consciousness to communication, though.
The author Frank Hurbert’s Destination Void series dives deep into the idea of what is consciousness. And how to reproduce it. Anyone interested in this topic should read at least the first book.
Thanks for that! I love the discussion around what consciousness actually is and where it came from. :)
Thank you
HE DID MORE THAN DUNE!?!? This man was a god
@@sleepninja2350 I used to have a lot of his books. I've finally got the Dune series again. I really recommend just about everything he wrote.
You need to define the difference between aware and self aware. A self driving car is aware. A human, adult is self aware.
Considering animals, I’d want to think consciousness isn’t a barrier, there’s just many forms of it where it’s evolutionarily needed. We are emotive and social creatures so we show a lot of unique traits from person to person. Every animal is conscious, their intelligence and autonomy just isn’t built to resemble a humans conscious.
100 % Agreed with you on this matter, and as humans, we have to remember that we are mammals too.
As for self awareness, which Pigeons have been proven to have.
Intelligence, which many animals have in abundance,
(even some of the humans!)
Humanity, has been Testing for intelligence, consciousness, self awareness, memory and emotional intelligence, problem solving, etc, within other species...
But it has become apparent, that the tests are faulty and 'skewed',
for a whole bunch of reasons, including, amongst others,
~the right to keep testing on other animals.....
@@AndreaDingbatt I think we need to acknowledge that while we may be at the top of the operational food chain, we aren’t the penultimate form of evolution, it doesn’t stop. Not to mention all the senses we lack, like detection of electric fields or magnetic poles.
There’s a video recently by a channel named exub1a that discuss this over the concept of meeting aliens, but chances are we evolved so differently that they communicating with them would be such a gap in intelligence or processing that we may as well be trying to speak with animals, we question aliens intelligence so much while taking all the animals we currently have and know very little of the processes of for granted.
Ever see the video of the huntsman spider sitting on bathroom sink and then catching the prey the guy dropped from a height? No one on earth could identify and capture prey that quickly. its like 1/30th of a second.
Yeah I'm sure sea sponges and starfish have consciousness *rolls eyes*. Also why stop at animals. Why don't you include plants ,bacteria and viruses as well.
@@magnadramon0068 I wouldn’t stop at Bactria and viruses. Sponges were one of the very first animals to evolve actually. They are simple filter feeders and with their entire structure being it’s nervous system/brain it has very little needs beyond filter feeding and can debatably be called a plant because of just how early they evolved.
Bacteria have their own autonomy and hunt and feed the same way multicellular organisms do, many identacle to the ones inside our bodies that make all of our functions. They all seek some need to survive feed reproduce and adapt to their surroundings. Us as humans simple saw social ability as a prime evolution trait to gain and allowed us to be so effective at being the dominant species. We are animals too, as unique as any other animal. I would say any drive to live is a consciousness no matter how simple or small.
I really really enjoy SciShow videos, but especially SciShow Psych. This video in particular is incredibly interesting, the idea that consciousness can't really be lost quite so easily, that it's an emergent process of the brain and constantly changing, like time. It's scary to think about myself in that esoteric way, but very cool.
Stroke victims are a very interesting example of what can happen to consciousness. Some lose the left side of their world. Meaning they have no idea what the concept of the left side is. Which is impossible to really understand
I’m not going to argue veganism or vegetarianism as I’m not either of those myself. However I do think that we really should pause a bit on our assumptions that we are the only self conscious species on the planet and that possibly many more are conscious than we like to think. It’s honestly just too convenient imho that we are the only fully self conscious species. It fits too well with our collective ego and it makes us feel safe about how we treat other animals and the planet. We are of course the only animals to be able to utilize tools, language, symbology, abstraction etc to anywhere near the degree that we can. But with the concept of consciousness so hard to define, if we strip away all our fancy toys we have created and take a moment to sit quietly in a corner and just be with ourselves, quiet the mind and just be for a moment and experience the world as it is, sans language and interpretation but with our full rich complexity of emotion and conscious awareness. Can we really deny 100% that other species don’t have access to this richness of experience of the world?
I believe Koko (might have been a different name) has already proven to humanity that other species can learn to communicate with humans if given enough effort, at the very least sign language, sure the communication may not have been too complex, but that's to be expected at new attempts of communication between entities that don't share a common language. Other species don't necessarily communicate the same way humans do, which is partly why humans often fail to recognize themselves as "animals". Yes, animals can think, yes animals can feel, to go one step further, even plants can feel and think as well, although many humans would argue the opposite on that point, to which I would point out that there have been studies on how plants react to different styles of music, or how they have shared nutrients with fellow less fortunate plants through their roots, or that special smell you can notice whenever you lawn your grass, which is essentially the grass trying to signal/warn other plants.
The eviL of life is to Live, but one shouldn't forget that evil is a lie masking the truth.
@@MrHuntingClaw there are those videos about dogs and cats pressing buttons to learn how to "speak" to the human. Def showing that animals are willing to communicate if they know how
Related topic, the part where he talks about being bitten by a dog and from then on the brain will associate fear with the concept with dog, is a simple way of explaining trauma. If left untreated, trauma and trauma responses can really impact a person's mental well being. Good thing that therapy interventions like EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization Reprocessing) and CBT (Cognitive Behavioral Therapy) have been able to re-wire the neuro connections, therapy assists the person to enforce a different set of emotions and imagery when the trigger comes up, essentially trying to undo the trauma. If you know anyone who struggles with bad memories and bad experiences that hold them back, please tell them about EMDR or CBT. Of all the disorders and treatment methods, trauma and these therapy modalities are actually very well studied and supported by research.
I'll just leave you with this numbers - Individual differences in the areas of the neocortex can reach 4131%, and in the subcortical structures - 370%. Good luck figuring out who's more conscious
Well, someone in a deep coma (forgot the proper name) is surely less conscious and manifests really different patterns in neuroimaging
I always just figured consciousness and sentience were emergent properties of a complex system that has the ability to both interact with its environment and collect feedback about its own processes. To be conscious you have to be able to read your own meta-data :D
I get really tired when articles and videos mention "consciousness" in their title but don't actually teach us anything new at all.
My brain is missing in places and it’s noticeable!🤫
Not as noticeable as you think, Lol!
I won't be telling Anyone, btw, as I have the Two Cell System in my Skull!! 💀
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I watched a talk on the Royal Institute that said consciousness was located in the brain stem. Like the neurons in the brain stem seem to be responsible generating that “spotlight” that makes you feel like you exist.
That’s not to say the video is wrong or anything. I think the idea that consciousness evolves us definitely true. But I think there might still be some constant, unchanging function that creates the sensation of “me.” The conscious state of “me” now vs “me” years ago is drastically different, but regardless there is always a “me” that feels like it is experiencing that state. That’s what I’m most curious about
That would be a Quantum question!!
And answer, followed by 42more questions!!! 🤔🙄😬🤣🤣🤣🤣👍
Life: the never ending rabbit hole..😂 my personal high thought is each of us have a universe in our mind and people are the living embodiment of the multi verse🤯 but of course it can't be proven but I just love the concept
I'd be surprised the brain stem was responsible in any major way, the brain stem is arguably the one piece of the brain we share with most other mammals. I'd say it's also easy to argue that most other animals aren't conscious (in the individual "me" sense you associate the word with) at least as far as we've been able to tell thus far.
What Mark Solms described as the location of consciousness is really the switch that controls your sleep/awake status (one of the switches anyway). Great if you define consciousness as the state of being awake as opposed to being asleep.
However, as well as failing to define the consciousness state of those under hypnosis, a lucid dream or in a vegetative state, it ends up classifying practically every animal on Earth as conscious. Remember that, next time you decide to eat meat or fish.
Alternatively, a popular definition of consciousness is as a synonym for cognition. Here consciousness is defined as whether it involves utilising the cognitive faculties of the brain, equivalent to System II thinking from Veritasium's video. You could argue that consciousness would be located in the cerebrum, but there are many cognitive functions handled outside the cerebrum as well (particularly those related to handling the sensory input from the external world). Plus if cognitive thinking were a requirement, that excludes every covid denier and every qanon follower from consciousness.
Dr Lionel Feuillet documents a case of one civil servant that had nearly the entirety of his cerebrum missing, yet was a normal member of society, married with two children, with an IQ of 75. Proof that you don't need a cortex to have a higher IQ than a Tucker Carlson viewer.
Others define consciousness as self-awareness, or having the capability to learn (which is what the neurotransmitter advocates argue). In the former case, newborn infants cease to be conscious. In the latter case, the chess game on my phone would be considered conscious.
The real problem of consciousness isn't where is it located or why it exists, but with Question 1: What *_is_* consciousness?
@@SyrupSplash How do you know other animals aren't conscious? Have you asked them?
While listening to the beginning of the video, a question popped into my head about the debate around this subject: what is the state of the debate over if consciousness is able to be explored materially or not?
To clarify and add a bit of context. About a year ago I was reading about consciousness and the question of us consciousness a purely material thing, that meaning it could theoretically be fully understood using today's ideas on empiricism. Thus, my question is asking how is the debate looking on this question specifically.
The basic idea in empirical science that is that all process we can observe in the world are purely material by default. That means that consciousness is also purely material. I find it fairly easy to show evidence for that too. Look at some people whose brains just deteriorated away. At some point, they became less conscious, and then they became vegetables. If consciousness is not a physical thing, then you should expect people to stay conscious all of the time. If consciousness is a material thing, then you would expect people to become less conscious as the material basis for that deteriorates. And that's exactly what you find.
Your question is a syntax error, lmao
@@clawabidingcitizen How exactly?
I spent a few years learning about the brain a few years ago and got involved in studies that looked at thousands of brain scans over the last 25 years and we have learned a lot about how the brain is organized.
We understand what a healthy or unhealthy brain looks like and can even tell if a brain is addicted to alcohol or drugs or if the person has brain disease like Parkinson's or dementia. But consciousness is equally complex by itself and I suspect it has a lot to do with patterns. From a spiritual perspective, it seems that these patterns may have something to do with the soul.
I have always been a somewhat spiritual person, but not a religious one and as I have observed and participated in some brain scans wondered if the soul is part of the connection between conscious patterns of thought guided by the spirit or sole. I wonder if the brain may be the conduit between the two worlds and the patterns we learn here matter.
"As a man thinketh so is he", comes to mind and I think we have all seen how negative patterns affect the brain, but learning good patterns may be a healthy and healing practice for the brain. We have looked at people who pray or meditate and they seem to have more healthy patterns and strengthen the brain in many ways.
Praying could be considered an act where you put your own burdens onto some other entity, whether it be real or not, it's real to the one who prays, while meditation is often considered an act where you try to find clarity, usually through focusing on something specific, perhaps a question or just trying to figure out a situation, so you try to understand all the perspectives till you believe you have grasped it enough to find clarity. With clarity, I more or less mean that it doesn't "weight heavily" on your mind anymore. I don't know exactly what you or the general public consider to be "good" or "healthy" when it comes to the brain though.
3:33 Haaaaaa Haaa Ha ! Okay, you made me laugh !
Those two smiling dawggies are TOOOOO CUTE !
Ummm, okay, so now what were we talking about again ?
Oh, riiighttttt ! I remember now . . . consciousness ! B-)
Consciousness is not generated within the brain, but is the source of reality itself.
Akin to a radio and the radio waves it receives, when the radio stops working, the waves are still there :)
Exactly. The reason we have "more consciousness" than animals or even plants, is because evolution has figured out how to build bigger better radios throughout the ages
There is no consciousness without the brain. You are conscious as long as your brain is alive and functioning.
@@jeffn8218 If that’s the case, then how do you have the experience of having a brain? In order for you to observe/see your own brain it would have to already be within your consciousness, otherwise you wouldn’t be aware of your brain. Brains are qualia that you experience, just like the color red or the taste of caramel. This means that instead of consciousness being within the brain, what is actually true is that the brain is within consciousness. To say otherwise is to go against your experience.
@@drednaught608 Destroy your brain and see if you remain conscious. No brain, no consciousness. Period.
that’s the best video 🙏🏻
Certain sects of Hinduism would argue that the universe itself is conscious, and life tunes in to that root self awareness. The more complex the neural system, the more sophisticated that consciousness will be. With that complex self awareness comes the ego, which is the degree to which the lifeform perceives itself as separate from the root consciousness. So while we perceive ourselves as separate entities, we are just one base awareness interacting with itself
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To put it bluntly, we have no idea why or how we are conscious. Or how it developed in the first place
well.. there is a reason it is called the "Hard" problem
Yet. The difference between good scientists (and laypeople who understand the scientific method) and religious people is the latter only think in terms of either-or. We've learned a lot about consciousness, and what it isn't. I believe one day, given enough time and resources, we'll figure out consciousness too, just like we learned about atoms and the Standard Model and black holes and gravity waves, things people had no idea about for almost the entire human history. And when that day comes, we'll look back at videos like this not to scoff at how little we knew, but in appreciation of what we were able to figure out with our primitive minds and how centuries if not millenia of work went into solving this hard problem.
@@smurfyday While I agree with most of what you said, I would like to point out that not all religions think in either-or basis. Many allowed, and even encouraged, it's followers to be skeptical. I personally feel most polytheist religions were more open to such introspection in general.
Also, people have known atoms and gravity (not waves tho). But I agree that we will one day look back to see not how little we knew but understand our progress.
Are scientists conscious?
Scientists: Needs more research.
Just wanted to point out that they are traffic lights. You don't stop on green
Well now I feel the need to check the thermostat.
We are slowly getting closer to understanding what Consciousness is. This will solve so many problems we have maybe even answer the question whether a god exists or are we made by nature and why and how....
The way we learn is different and yet we can comprehend same concepts in a similar way. Like i can learn a color in a certain specific way to me, my experiences and emotions tied to that concept of a color. Like in the dog example i maybe have it learned as result of some association with some other objects, like a red apple for instance. But what about blind people from birth? They still understand the concept of colors and can use them in conversation and whatnot even if they really have not ever seen them to be able to associate in same manner as other people that can see.
I think consciousness is strongly tied to identity, the ability to conceive and comprehend the concept of self. We are tiny societies i'd say, atoms and cells and tissues and so on until all together develop the ability to see themselves as a single organism, one individual. So in a way just an effect, a byproduct of life's different ways to keep surviving. As i kind of see life as a whole with many many reiterations. Somewhat like a river that flows and spreads and seeps in wherever it can. If it goes underground, it evaporates, follows the course or spreads in to channels or makes a delta and so on, it doesn't matter really as it's ultimately the same thing. The way how our cells are part of us, we are part of life.
In determining what is you maybe take into account prospective
Hi, could you make a video about ASD. Thank you.
Read Blindsight (Peter Watts)! Best sci-fi meditation on consciousness out there.
reality becomes fuzzy when you theorize about its interfacing.
This kind of reminds me of Platos Perfect Forms
I like how people used to just wonder about this stuff instead of having RUclips suggest learning material at 3 am
Dude ... radical!
What about multiple consciousnesses within the same body? If alters in DID have different memories then is each one a different consciousness?
No, there's only one "consciousness" in our body. It's like your sense of smell, you only get one of them per body. Your awareness or consciousness simply takes turns getting used by alters, exactly the same way they also take over the sense of smell. It helps to think of alters as "ego states"
- Someone with DID (James)
@@levijeffers61 I think you're using consciousness in terms of "awareness" or being awake as opposed to being "self-aware," as the video seemed more focused on.
But also, I've heard that alters can sometimes be co-conscious, where multiple alters are aware at the same time.
Oh boi, I read that title as: "How _our brain_ learns *_consequences"_* and that, my friends, as the consequence of staying up until 02:28 o'clock.
Please read Leslie Dewart, _Evolution and Consciousness_ (University of Toronto, 1989)
Should look at the work of Richard Penrose and George Hameroff. Their findings have discovered that conciousness is a fundamental force of nature. Conciousness is not a product of chemical reactions.
Good luck convincing so-called scientists of this.
Love the video, especially the idea that consciousness that is constantly learned. I do, however, an alternate perspective on the idea that you need to have an emotional response for it to be considered conciousness.
Buddhists would generally say that you can experience consciousness _before_ concepts and emotional responses. That concepts and emotional responses are an optional "add-on", and not always a positive one.
And that the more emotional responses and concepts you "add", the further away from reality you get.
Those interested in these concepts, I recommend Sam Harris and his videos on meditation and consciousness.
i think youll find that the "consciousness" that the buddhists refer to is not the same as the one(s) in this video
@@evildaemo ah, fair enough. we could probably make a whole video on the different definitions of "consciousness" and which definition different people/videos are using.
@Jaden Almeida Sam Harris is another religion at this point.
What left of the brain doesn't learn how to be conscious on it's own lol (4:38), it's already conscious. Every part of the neocortex is conscious on it's own, it proved by the fact when you remove visual cortex, the person lose his visual consciousness forever, but he wouldn't notice that because what left of his brain never been visually conscious before, and it wouldn't start being visually conscious. That part of the consciousness just gone, doesn't mean other parts wouldn't continue working as before. What you missed here is that consciousness is discrete in nature, the fact that we perceive it as a whole, is because every part of our consciousness is separate, and couldn't feel what other parts are feeling, therefore it wouldn't notice that the whole process is discrete
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sounds more like learning the mechanisms of consciousness, not so much consciousness itself
It amazes me that the people who study consciousness mostly fail to recognize it for what it actually is. Consciousness is a raw, non -conceptual experiential awareness of reality. You can be conscious of sensations, emotions, and thought. We are so busy thinking without knowing that we are thinking that most of us do not recognize consciousness deeply. We may have a fuzzy notion of it and some inkling that it is mysterious, but too often do we conflate it with our ability to feel like an individual with a personality and various traits. It is not our ability to have an ego, but rather our experience of said ego along with all our other inputs that is consciousness. When we don’t recognize this we may jump to conclusions and say we know how consciousness arises, but the hard problem is not so easily solved.
Plural systems could give SO MUCH information and data on consciousness if scientists listened to us and it's infuriating
Yes! They all theorize on the assumption that everyone has one (1) consciousness, which is not the case.
The fact that system have formed several fully developed consciousnesses in order to survive should give some convincing evidence to the „it‘s learned“ theory.
(Don’t know anything about endos, please don’t attack me, I only know about the disorder stuff)
@@ageamiu8923 Definitely!
My personal theory is that the brain is capable of creating as many conciousnesses as it likes, BUT it costs resources and time, so it usually only does it when it has to. BUT when you've already got some, it's easier to create more; hence why systems of two aren't very common. It's also probably easier to create consciousness in childhood, hence why most plurals became plural in early childhood (though, notably, there have been cases of people seeming to develop DID in adulthood, but being dismissed because it's a childhood disorder. missed opportunity for research imo)
I like this guy, he looks cool.
brain is a very powerful organ is we use it effectively
And my brain is like WOW and should studied! I am ambidextrous and can understand how things operated better then most and have scary spidey senses. For instance I begged my son to blow his nose better or else he would have to have brain surgery to drain the all the gooey stuff. 2 weeks later he was rushed into emergency brain surgery! He had a bad sinus infection that invaded his brain. That is not the first or the last "vision" I've had.
Thank you this is great
This is complete bs. No one’s the truth and anything which is said about consciousness is just a theory
@@drewbooFPV yes, as they said in the beginning. There is nothing certain about our theories of consciousness.
The problem I have with this theory is that it implies that one needs to have emotions to be conscious.
You're giving me all kinds of wholesome LeVar Burton vibes
What is an "enotional response"?
Consciousness is the only reality in which matter is a transient and subjective appearance. Consciousness is a constant background from which in which and into which matter appears, exists and dissolves.
I hope we can prove that the mind isn't limited to the physical brain. I have known too many with brain damage and it is good to think brain damage might not destroy the person.
I wonder if our subjective experiences aren't merely limited objective ones. Of course our senses produce only a very small insight into the large and small of the physical world.
I've been stuck in a very frustrating, existential crisis for almost 3 months now and I'm terrified that I won't snap out of it.
I feel like I need to understand consciousness to a very extreme degree or something like that, it's a full-blown obsession, 24/7.
I'm living life as a reasonably successful, healthy adult, but this obsession came out of nowhere very recently and I'd really love to know if anyone else is struggling with this.
It sounds like you could use a psychologist or doctor, as a sudden and unyielding condition like that may require some expertise to properly diagnose.
Depression is not a rational thing and can affect anyone, even if they seem to have every reason to be content in life.
As someone who's recovered from a three-month coma, I know what it's like with no consciousness, and limited consciousness. I love animals; my dogs are so intelligent and I can tell they love me. Nevertheless, their level of awareness doesn't extend very far. I wasn't myself until I was fully conscious and cognitively "with it." I think the ability to speak plays a major role in developing our brains, because I couldn't speak in my coma at all. It took full cognitive recovery for me to speak, to really form clear memories, and to be conscious. Of course, animals can somewhat communicate with us and with each other-- they can whine, growl, chirp, bark, etc., so they would theoretically have at least more consciousness than a shrub or a worm, but there's a vast difference between a human experience and a dog's experience.
I don't think we have way to measure consciousness in the way implied here. We only have some thresholds where we can detect rough changes in consciousness. Thus I don't think we can say a brain damage didn't cause a person to be less consciousness. Maybe it did, but not so much that we could detect it.
I think it's very much a philosophical debate and not one you can study scientifically. Not until other animals start talking to us in a way we can understand.
Ha, you said "green" and I immediately thought of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles XD the cartoon that was on tv in 1990
*(Neuroscience rediscovering Hume's philosophical concepts hundreds of years later)*
Or, a better way of putting it: neuroscience discovered actual _evidence_ of things Hume conjectured centuries ago.
@@talideon I guess so, yeah
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At 3:07, who says that?
Reminder jealousy is not envy. Nobody says "Green with jealousy."
An easy way to remember this is that envy involves 2 people, jealousy involves 3.
Me: do I click on the video of the guy falling off his skateboard while he gets distracted, or the video that explores how we develop our more metaphysicaly inclined senses.
I am a physicist and I will provide sound arguments that prove that consciousness is not generated by the brain and that the origin of our mental experiences is not physical (in my youtube channel you can find a video with more detailed explanations). This implies the existence in us of an unphysical element, which is usually called soul or spirit.
Physicalism/naturalism is based on the belief that consciousness is an emergent property of the brain, but it can be proved that this hypothesis is inconsistent with our scientific knowledge and implies logical contradictions. There are in fact 2 arguments that prove such hypothesis contains a logical fallacy.
1) All the alleged emergent properties are just simplified and approximate descriptions of underlying processes and arbitrary abstractions of the actual physical processes. An approximate description is only an abstraction, and no actual entity exists per se corresponding to that approximate description, simply because an actual entity is exactly what it is and not an approximation of itself; an approximate description is an idea that exists only in a conscious mind. This means that emergent properties are concepts that refer to something that has an inherent conceptual nature (abstract ideas).
2) An emergent property is defined as a property that is possessed by a set of elements that its individual components do not possess. The point is that every set of elements is inherently an arbitrary abstraction which implies the arbitrary choice of determining which elements are to be included in the set. Therefore, any property attributed to the set as a whole is inherently arbitrary because it depends on the arbitrary choice used to define the set. Arbitrariness is a precondition for the existence of any emergent property, and consciousness is a precondition for the existence of arbitrariness.
Both arguments 1 and 2 are sufficient to prove that every emergent property requires a consciousness from which to be conceived. Therefore, that conceiving consciousness cannot be the emergent property itself. Conclusion: consciousness cannot be an emergent property.
In other words, emergence is a purely conceptual idea that is applied onto matter for taxonomy purposes. On a fundamental material level, there is no brain, or heart, or any higher level groups or sets, but just fundamental particles interacting. Emergence itself is just a category imposed by a mind, so the mind can't itself be explained as an emergent phenomenon.
If a concept refers to “something” whose existence presupposes the existence of arbitrariness, such “something” cannot exist independently of a conscious mind and can only exist as an idea in a conscious mind. For example consider the property of "beauty": beauty is intrisically subjective, abstract and implies arbitrariness; therefore, beauty cannot exist independently of a conscious mind. My arguments prove that emergent properties are of the same nature as beauty; they are intrinsically subjective and arbitrary, which is sufficient to prove that consciousness cannot be an emergent property because consciousness is the precondition for the existence of any emergent property.
The "brain" doesn't objectively and physically exist as a single entity. We create the concept of the brain by arbitrarily "separating" it from everything else; however, there is no objective criterion that allows us to identify what separates brain and non-brain. Obviously, consciousness cannot be a property of an abstraction, because an abstraction cannot conceive of itself. Any set of elements is an arbitrary abstraction because it implies the arbitrary choice of including some elements in the set and excluding others. Physically the brain is not a single entity and therefore every alleged property of the brain is an arbitrary concept, a subjective abstraction. This is sufficient to prove that the hypothesis that consciousness is a property of the brain is nonsensical because it contains an intrinsic logical contradiction; consciousness is a necessary precondition for the existence of arbitrariness, and therefore the existence of consciousness cannot be a consequence of all that implies arbitrariness.
An example of a concept that does not refer to something that is inherently subjective and presupposes the existence of arbitrariness, is the concept of “indivisible entity”.
Consciousness can exist only as the property of an indivisible entity, because only an indivisible entity does not imply any kind of arbitrariness; furthermore, this indivisible entity must interact with brain processes because we know that there is a correlation between brain processes and consciousness. This indivisible entity cannot be physical, since there is no physical entity with such properties; therefore this indivisible entity corresponds to what is traditionally called soul or spirit. Marco Biagini
Is it possible for a person to be 'not conscious but still appear to be a regular person going about normal everyday life
Yes, they're called politicians
I hope my brain learns consciousness too
50 years later: "We predict a full understanding of consciousness in the next 50 years!"
Does artificial life (AL)---- that is created by inanimate chemical substances mixed by a synthesizer regulated by genetic information supplied by a computer--- have consciousness, given the fact that this AL has the capacity to replicate itself? J. Craig Venter is the pioneer in the field of artificial-life science.
Does the brain create consciousness/the mind, or does the mind/consciousness make the brain work as it does? Does the mind/consciousness belong to the nonmatter domain of the fabric of the universe? Consequently, consciousness exists apart from the brain, as a nonmatter substance pervading the universe. It is part of the structure of the natural cosmos.
That consciousness is dynamic, we all already know that it is. It is not only dynamic or has plasticity, but rather it is hierarchical too.
How does this hypothesis explain general anesthetics, sleep, or any loss of consciousness experience?
Clearly the brain is still active at the time yet consciousness seems like a turned off function
I assumed consciousness was a critical mass response, the equivalent of a red dwarf coalescing
Radical plasticity theory came out in 2011 to try to explain stuff Asian monks have been teaching for thousands of years - consciousness is learned.
Language and abstract Ideas are the two things that made humans consciously more intelligent than all other animals
I need a more ridged definition of consciousness.
Yes but for every but of learning we do we must have an apparatus capable of integrating and faculties to use that information.
My brain is learning about it's self🤣
Yes we are born conscious fetus's seem self aware. Quite your mind of words think more images feelings sensations sounds Voices heart beats. Lights color for the first time seeing anything for first time one break through I had in Finding old forgot memories is if your creating your brain is deciding how to feel if you've already been in that prospective your neurons already know how to feel and thing start coming back to you
Man that's really interesting. I really like that, it's something that evolves over time.
I don't think consciousness is something that exist as a thing, it's just the result of our brains, and to an extend our whole body, processing stuff. It's less that we're experiencing consciousness, it's more the consciousness is the process of experiencing itself.
Considering how little self awareness some people seem to have, the notion of consciousness being learned sounds plausible. And I don't mean to be rude towards people here. I'm just pointing out that a lot of people seem to, instead of living, exist through life without actively pursuing what feels good for them, without compassion towards self or others, without any active input. They don't stop when the world around them makes their lives pure misery and think "why am I settling for this? don't I deserve better?" They just keep on going as they always have. So, maybe there is some truth to this?
The brain named itself
So if a person loses all his memory, does that mean his consciousness is gone?
As a retired neuoscientist, I'd like to give a different perspective on theories of consciousness. To paraphrase Paul Simon, still ignorant after all these years. Almost all theories of consciousness have a "then a miracle happens" element because we just don't know. Theories about human consciousness are of little value in explaining other animals,such as great apes, my border collie, octopuses, mice, and some cats.
Few of these "theories" are testable and rely on abstractions that are hard to pin down empirically. I confess that "radical plasticity" is cool and has some appeal until you realize that slime mold meets the criteria for consciousness.
Could the mirror test itself be anophorphizing anything thing would be conscious.
The only reason the eyes are the windows into the soul Because we the eyes are the souls windows into the world some antenna might show more attention is your inability to recognize your own smell proof your conscious as fare as dogs Know..
All brains are conscious with how they interact with their environment.
I'd personally refute with "All brains are adapted & aware of their interactions with the environment. However wouldn't consciousness be argued to be the awareness of that process? Being aware of that other level of our thoughts, rather than the initial awareness itself?"
We know the developmental and structural foundations of consciousness? Why did no one tell me? This would be the biggest breakthrough in the philosophy of mind since ever. Like, everything Descartes did would pale in comparison. Just last week I looked up what Susan Blackmore was up to, and no one bothered to tell me that we now know how consciousness developed. :O Wtf
So if the temperature thermostat detected that I was cold and it said I'm cold and it literally shivered then it would be considered conscience.
But even though it's a ... people won't believe it because it's a ....
Conscious and conscience are not the same thing, maybe you should just go back to your video games.
@@richardjones2455 well if you understand the meaning it doesn't matter.
So go back and do your paperwork.
If the mind is Chemical reactions. If you move reactor.not chemicals themselves
Much debate on what consciousness is comes from Denial of sentience of other being from animals including fish and insects. To human babies including fetus's. If we have harm them at take that into account. Find better ways around the hard decision
I once saw a 4yo girl gain self awareness. The mom was telling her that she was her little doll. The little girl stayed quiet for about a minute, looking like she was thinking really hard, then said, But mommy, I cant be a doll, I think. Everyone around us laughed at the "Childs occurrences". I on the other hand was extremely exited because right there, in front of me, a human being gained self awareness. Everyone looked at me weird, i tried explaining but all i got was weird looks. To me, that very moment when she gained self awareness, was a monumental moment, but to everyone else it was a Childs nonsense. Adults can be so stupid, that its hard to believe were at the top of the food chain.
The biggest reason for the controversy is that "consciousness" is poorly defined. It describes a variety of things really. Often people use the word to describe the difference between humans and animals, but that depends on the animal. The level of cognition in an octopus is more similar to a human than a jellyfish, but most people would put Jellies and octopi in the same category. At the end of the day we simply don't know what it is like to be an octopus, and most of our understanding of other humans comes from talking to them. Throughout much of human history slavery was common and it was often people from other cultures, speaking different languages who couldn't tell you about their experience who became slaves.
This is definitely built off of Julian Jaynes's theory of the bicameral mind. This is like a less stupid version of that.
The brain is a multi Consciousness entity.
All those little feelings that you feel what you're hungry or what you're thirsty or what's up what hurts you is another person speaking and telling you something.
Maybe consciousness is a human centric bias and prejudice.
Maybe we're held back by assuming we're somehow more special, with unlimited potential, rather than understanding our limits and respecting that even when a life is different, they can still matter.
Science studies objects. Consciousness is not an object. This is why all of these "scientific explanations of consciousness" keep failing to capture and will continue to do so.
Science studies phenomenons... but still we can't even say consciousness is that considering the only real proof everyone of us has it the own knowledge that we are conscious.
@@petrichor3797 I wouldn't say I have consciousness. I would say that I am consciousness.
For example:
I have an arm.
Why can I say that? Because I and the arm are separate things. If I didn't have my arm, I would continue to be me.
But I can't say that I have consciousness, because if I didn't have consciousness I would not exist.
I would completely disagree that you need an emotional response to be "conscious". Consciousness is just the awareness of self and the ability to question the world around us.
You'll find that all of our conscious thoughts are the OUTCOMES of unconscious ones. Scientists are coming to terms of that and economists have yet to fully grasp its implications, such is their love for rational decision-making.
@@smurfyday You'll have to clarify your point.
How is this *RADICAL PLASTICITY THEORY* different from Pavlov's *SECOND SIGNAL SYSTEM* of representation of representation?
Not the answer I was looking for.