Us vs Them: Immigration, Empathy and Psychology
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- Ingroups, outgroups and social identity theory.
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I loved how you ended it with `citizens of planet earth`
I have been an immigrate in Canada for three years now. And I consider it my home, as well as they consider me a one from them
You must be one of the Chinese that lives in Richmond, BC where the Chinese have taken over. Yeah, I guess that's why they consider you "one from them".
I am from Iraq buddy.
And this is Canada the race, gender, color, nationality, don`t matter here.
We are all under the same flag
SnoopyDoo They're not Chinese, dumdum. Read their name.
Don`t call him a dumdum.
Thats disrespectful homie
Alfarouq Abdulmonem Mwahahahahahaha don't tell me what to do 😈
At this critical times in modern human history your video boosts the empathy of people around the globe to become citizens of this earth rather than your society only. !!!
Fahad Ali Yeah ask the Saudis if they feel any empathy for Syrian refugees or Israeli citizens.
Kutay Güler yea i had the same views about saudi arabia but then i had watched a video on youtube where a saudi prince gave the answer to this question by saying that they had taken more refugees than anyother country, those refugees are not registered with UnitedNation because they brought these refugees with visa and proper housing so they can live and work there with dignity like normal human being.
You might know this better than me, are homosexual acts still punishable by death in Saudi Arabia?
Hmm you guys are right the internet is a weird place, not everything is true, atleast hope for the best for this world we live in :)
I think it is perfectly reasonable that they are able to integrate easier in a place like Saudi Arabia as opposed to a place like Sweden or Norway. The culture is (I assume) more similar, the language is closer, and when people look similar it already removes a lot of potential barriers for conflict.
(sees comments against video)
Welp. There goes any hope I had for human empathy in the species.
Facts >>> Empathy
Facts >>> Empathy >>> Stupid immigration laws
Very Serious Well then it's too bad most crime and terrorist attacks within the us are done by people who already lived here and didn't come from anywhere else. Do i support Islamic terrorism? No, but I'm not gonna immediately assume immigrants come here with that intent simply because of the place they come from, you know when we go there they don't like us either right? Until we show them basic human decency and show them we all aren't bad, extremely nationalistic people.
It's basic fact that groups with more diversity can perform better because of different people collaborating with different ideas. If Steve jobs' father hadn't migrated here as a Syrian refugee chances are we wouldn't have apple as we know it.
Stop pretending that everybody that isn't like you is out to kill you. You get mad when they say Americans are bad and then wonder why they get mad when we assume all of them are the same too. Discriminatory mindsets never invite progression, they incite regression. If all the hate against one another in the world vanished, then we would achieve a form of piece. Unfortunately it's too late for that now, but banning Muslims as a whole just because is not gonna solve the problem. It'll make foreign affairs between us and them arguably worse, and then they'll see us in an even more negative context.
Ever stop and think maybe, just maybe the people who come here might just be here for a better life? To get away from the terror back home? For opportunities? Don't be the kind of person to judge every book you see by its cover, otherwise you'll never understand why people disagree with the executive order. Be decent.
And since I know no matter what I say you'll never think about it for longer than 5 seconds before you think about something like 9/11 or whatnot, because it's really hard to change someone's opinion. What I'm saying is, don't put everyone unlike you in the same boat just because of what isolated incidents tell you, actually go out and discover that there are good, hardworking people within them, you just have to find them. It's not hard. Trust me, I'm a random person on the Internet.
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I haven't had any hope of human empathy since at least 2001. And not for the reason you think, either.
Wow todays awesome! Braincraft, asapscience and asapthought all uploaded today :)
And MinuteEarth too!
And SciFri
It's an awfully neglected channel, but they have really great content. You should check 'em out.
This is why intersectionality and identity politics are just creating more overall hostility. Continually dividing people into groups based on meaningless characteristics is only reinforcing the negative aspects of ingroup/outgroup psychology.
If we are all in this together, why does our out group keep trying to blow us up
I know, man, those drone strikes are rough, aren't they?
Noah Williams 1 in 4 believe that jihad is OK.
dmrc43 gonna need a verified source on that one bud.
Simon May there is a caveat but here goes. www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/opinion-polls.aspx
Well, someone definetly needs to read Koran to see how full of peace Islam is.
Thank you for explaining these biases and also giving ideas on how to counteract them. :D
Awesome video as always!
Thank you for staying factual, and leaving all political bullshit out of the video.
The 'citizens of planet earth' is an outgroup for me.
What about an outgroup with an ideology that justifies the destruction of the ingroup in order to replace it rather than integrating?
Thanks for being logical in your approach! It's sad how many people seem to lack empathy. Great video as always!
Don't worry Vanessa what these idiots say! If science and logic have a "liberal lean" then let it be!! You can be religious while having secular approaches to politics and government!
Deebo Molina I appreciate your voice of intelligence In this sea of stupid, thank you
Robo Batman I really appreciate that name :)
I think this goes both ways. Even if there is no other "outsiders" group, people will still find differences in some communities. For example, they'll try to differentiate themselves from colored people (asian, black, ginger, etc) or people with certain type of behavior (nerds, douches, slum dogs, the 1%, etc). I think this is just how brains work, they try to differentiate between objects and then try to find similarities/connections among them (in an effort to better understand or learn I guess). Of course, because we don't have all of the information about every object, we generalize and some of these generalizations end up being inaccurate. So once you see the unexpected behavior form a member in an otherwise generalized group, we either accept we were wrong and drop this notion, or we just say it's a one-time event and keep the false belief.
Either way I don't think it's possible to have a homogeneous society, because people can only know so much about other people.
A multicultural world living in harmony will never work, people always prefer socialising with there own race, religion and social class
WhosFaulty
Haven't worked =/= impossible
Just spotted a logic problem in your proof. ^.^
I'm an immigrant. Australia to the USA.
Up and Atom so is Vanessa
Josh Kimbrough really she lives in the US?
Up and Atom yeah she's been here for a while
Josh Kimbrough cool thanks for the info :)
Up and Atom you have a cool channel keel it up
thanks for the subtitles
I'm a mixed African american; My grandmother is Irish, my brother is in a long-term relationship with a Brazillian, I have cousins of Han Chinese descent, my closest friend is Puerto Rican. My family is the definition melting pot.
All the immigrants in my family, and those I'm friends with, tell me the same thing; Illegals shouldn't have a pass card.
Because for them (especially my grandmother and friend) there was a lot of sacrifices, a lot of saving and budgeting and living frugally for years that went into them working to obtain their citizenship. And it is a disgraceful slap in the face to them that America has now become havanna for breaking the law and reaping the benefits with zero to no effort.
This isn't about empathy, this isn't xenophobia or whatever else fear mongering mis- label you want to tape on it. This is LAW. The country is actually doing its JOB. Try entering Japan or Canada illegally and see how far you'll get, and to top it off, NO illegal benefits at that (you must be a citizen or have a valid visa to do damnnear anything other than eat).
In a perfect utopia there are no borders. But the reality is country's have requirements and if you don't adhere to them, expect the consequences.
Great video. BrainCraft
If you are reading this, have a good day ;)
Just like when a match ends on overwatch, you always vote for a member of your team even if you don't know him
I acknowledge this phenomenon and agree with you, but still gets me sometimes without thinking
What about when you relate more to your relative outgroups than your ingroups?
As much as your video has agreeable elements
It perpetuates cultural relativism
Regardless of your view on in group/outgroup dichotomy
Cultural value systems do actually differ
And the two main opposing differences are liberalism versus authoritarianism
This is not to say that no one should mix these two but rather it should be done with caution and a a keen eye on history
just because we have iPhones doesn't mean that humanity has changed all that much from the days of mass murder...
Cultural relativism is literally the admission that cultural values differ...
IceMetalPunk
Perhaps I misused a word
The sentiment stands…, where is the disagreement?
"Cultural value systems do actually differ" that's just an obvious fact. I don't see how the video perpetuates cultural relativism. The video was making a particular psychological point, which is true to my experience. I will put this another way: when you have a positive relationship with an individual of an outgroup, you stop seeing them as a member of the outgroup and start seeing them as an individual. And that actually changes your conception of the outgroup for the better.
Lucas Schwendler Vieira
(closing line of the video)
"Beyond our family, friends and community, there is a larger in-group that encompasses everyone, citizens of the planet earth, and we are all in this together"
recognizing the political, ideological and religious differences that, often represent opposing ends sought by opposing means, specifically in regards to human rights, the right of private property, resources, responsibilities and philosophical direction of the group, creates in-group out-group dichotomies by necessity
And this video minimizes the differences of opposing value systems
A simple and obvious example of those opposing value systems can be seen in the difference between capitalism and communism
Capitalism sees the right of property, production and direction as inherent to the individual
Communism sees the right of property, production and direction as inherent to the group
These are inseparably opposing positions, it is either the right of the individual to leave the group, or it is the right of the group to bind the individual
To quote you, quoting me;
"cultural value systems do actually differ, that's just an obvious fact"
The admission of this, is the admission of the necessity of in-group, out-group dichotomies
Cultural egalitarianism can only work if applied in all directions,
Which is impossible in the face of ideological dogma
"WE'RE AAAAAALL IN THIIIS TOGEEETHER..." Thanks Vanessa, now I can't get it out ouf my head! :D
Ah the ignorance of the comment board. Its something I always expect and am saddened everytime. That said I enjoy the good people who believe in a peaceful, tolerant and accepting world. Thanks for fixing the board folks.
She has such a beautiful melodious voice :) great video as always
This principle is also one of America's biggest problems. We divide ourselves into republicans and democrats, red vs blue, and this causes so many Americans on both sides to show very little respect to people on the other side. I am curious, but does having a polar system like this make things worse than if there are multiple different groups, because I suspect 2 roughly equal groups competing for the top is about the worse system you can have in terms of the in group out group effect.
I think (worry) about this every day, wishing everyone on the earth could see everyone else as part of their "ingroup."
Division in groups serves many purposes so lets tear groups down! Makes total sense. Anyway no, there is no global ingroup, we are not in this together. Quite the opposite, the whole point of creating groups is to exclude the outgroup, thus limiting our costly altruism to a few people more likely to reciprocate. Evolutionary game theory shows not only that ethnocentrism is a dominant strategy over humanitarianism, but also that it leads to greater levels of cooperation.
Thanks for that, Nessy!
Important right now.
In the US bc of Trump, in the EU with the rising Right in general.
"rising" of right is directly proportional to rising of left, the more leftist go to left, the more they go right, and both are delusional echo chambers.
member? polarisation? polarisation...
""rising" of right is directly proportional to rising of left, the more
leftist go to left, the more they go right,"
Yes, it's true
"and both are delusional echo chambers."
Sophism, and I knew about the "middle" bias before I was extrem left^^
But it has a true part, that it can lead to dogmas: and dogmas are delusional echo chambers.
so in the EU the Right is the bad group from your perspective?
+Zebezia -- Hi there, comrade
It's not ME not making effort to know outgroups better! It's THEM not wanting to!
Now use categorical imperative. Get it?
I couldn't resist the temptation to point out that the map of India as portrayed in the video is inaccurate.
The problem with that model is that it is just that, a [ideal] model. If Jihadists would take to violence to express their disdain, we would not be as divided as we are today. Reality tends to distort the beneficial possibilities of altruism.
Except we're not divided over Jihadists. We're divided over Muslims. The fact that so many people fail to make that distinction is in fact a large problem.
I'm just waiting to see how fun things will turn out.
A valuable and poignant message, well delivered. Great video!
0:26 when you are not forced to use a country for a foreign country, then you must choose a country with no territorial disputes. otherwise you may end up offending a Billion people sometimes..
Hello Vanessa. I love your videos but I had just one problem with this video - you drew an incomplete map of India by missing out the northernmost state of Jammu and Kashmir.
I think it's absolutely fantastic that people want to help people in need and aid them in the integration process. What I do *not* approve of on the other hand is when the government forces integration on the people who vote against it. I just don't think it's fair that a lot of tax money go to people who have never had a family line working in the country to build up the social programs in the first place. Sweden for instance spent 14 times more tax payer on immigrants than they did on their military defense just over the course of the last year. The people that want to help those in plight should do it by opening their own homes or gain funds through charity to build or pay for the housing of the migrants, it should not be a forced charity through taxation.
Hey, good idea! Why not abolish taxes altogether? After all, if you decide one day that you don't want a particular social program, maybe because you don't personally benefit from it, why should you be forced to pay for it through taxation?
Oh, yes, because large-scale programs aren't sustainable under small-scale fundraising efforts. Darn, forgot that silly little obstacle.
Remember that when your government tries to murder you and you need to escape.
J Amundsen Isn't sweeden represented as a country of neutrality? I'm not certain it is a healthy/fair comparison.
The end effect presented is the creation of a "together-ists" and "isolation-ists." Strange that.
Superb. Simpl superb. Superb research, presentation, and editing.
Here in Brazil, people tend to see outsiders (and things that are made in other countries) as inherently better than anything that comes from the inside.
It makes sense historically, though, since not long ago protectionism made our industries stagnate, and even nowadays most of the time the best things produced here are reserved for exportation and only the rest is left for our own people. Brazilian coffee is awesome... except in Brazil.
Hence the reason aliens don't visit our planet - we're just one big out group that doesn't fit in with the rest of the universe.
Have we tried shocking the aliens then giving them money?
+wherethetatosat I do believe you've fully understood the concepts in this video. Have an A+!
IceMetalPunk Nailed it!
You made the map of India without the State of Jammu & Kashmir. Umm... I too like to live life dangerously.
We shouldn't by trying to get everyone here to have the sense of belonging with everyone else. It's impossible. That's why smaller groups emerged. Because humans seem to be capable of successful operations when in smaller groups. But everyone seems to lose that once they're in larger groups.
Smaller groups didn't emerge. You've got it backwards. We began in smaller groups, as tribal nomads, and larger groups emerged out of combinations of those. The reason we generally fail in larger groups is because our instincts evolved for tribes and we haven't yet grown out of them. But we have to if we ever want a world at any kind of peace, because technological advances in travel and communication have made us a globally interdependent society whether we like it or not.
Thank you for making this Vanessa.
Lots of comments already covering what I would say. But just a little mesage of appreciation for another clear video on a difficult subject. And on top of it i see you did the animations and drawings whaou... Thank you. More please. :-)
0:44 *STARK DIREWOLF!!!!*
This video was mind opening. It gives words and brings science to what, in my opinion, feels like the right thing to do.
Do you know the researchers behind the MRI experiment?
That's probably not coincidence. The need for morals developed along with all the other genetic traits.
Love it when BrainCraft uploads!!!
So how do we work together as a group to build the wall?
~*sarcasm*~
This video was so good!
Awesome art and the topic is super interesting!
what you are explaining is the evolutionary trait of protecting your family or tribe and you cant go against that not by explaining it or giving it names is just like that people dont have to change it if they dont gain anything being selfish is good
But what if one of those out groups held a potential threat to your in group? How do you justify risking the safety of your in group by inviting in someone from an enemy out group that may or may not have intentions of sabotaging your in group? I liked the video and it makes sense but it doesn't take into account that someone may only want to join your in group with the one intention of causing your group harm and how you weigh up the risks of letting in a potential threat.
Great video as always!
damn, i like the content you posted yesterday
Love your videos, they're always great. This "all in it together" stuff, though, is a farce. We are categorically not in this together, not even within our own families. Tragedy of the commons. It's not equally shared, it's me first, then you. Anything else is naive and idealistic.
Except what you fail to account for is the reason altruism exists at all: game theory proves that you will, at some point, rely on someone else for your survival, and if you help them now, they are more likely to help you later. Empathy only evolved because that kind of strategy is better for survival than always putting yourself first.
We talking about the real world here, or the ideal? You're talking about an ought, I'm talking about an is.
Civilization couldn't exist if this were true.
Using drawings this time? What happened to the paper cutouts?
Your actual out-group isn't people in other countries or immigrants but rather people who are very close to you culturally but with opposing values.
slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything-except-the-outgroup/
This is an awesome video!
"Hey there I'm Nat"
"And I'm Lo"
Yep 22, looking to retire in the next 3 years. How much should I have saved back?
fun story but my mom was kind of negatively thinking about muslims and other non white people. one day she was on holiday in hamburg and was treated very well by locals who had immigrated. she never spoke a bad word about immigrants again. she built up empathy for them just like in that study.
i love your work that was beautiful
Great video! ❤
Sometimes i wish there's out world alien race attacking on earth... maybe then we'll think that we are the same. After all we are here together so why we fight against each other? Like you said "citizens of planet earth".
Jonathan Devon If an alien race attacks us we can all hold hands while we all get killed. They will be way more advanced than we can ever realize, so no don't wish that, unless you want humanity to suffer
Rocky I know they will be and i didn't think it that far.
Many specific Islamic refugees are probably largely nice and non violent. Most people are this way despite all kinds of things throughout the world.
The larger issue is that Islamic cultures seems to create greater levels of both broad and subtle forms of intolerance, oppression and violence (relative to other cultures) overall (both internally and externally, whether as a minority or majority, to varying degrees).
This is what is largely portrayed with a great variety of anecdotes, evidence and also misinformation. We really need thorough, numerical, non-biased research on the matter (from multiple sources), to know how true it is and to what degree, to make a completely informed decision. Decisions based on news bites, perceptions and individual events don’t really cut it (in either direction). Such research may exist but it has not been a priority for me (or most people) to be thorough enough to seek it out.
I feel that broad and specific people and aspects of any culture that are less than neutral towards the levels of tolerance, freedom, and safety in a society should be kept out, removed or quarantined wherever possible.
[Maybe other aspects could also be added to this list of values (eg kindness, health etc). I have not fully considered that yet. These three seem pretty fundamental.]
Setting boundaries is vital for all combinations of individuals, groups and countries. We certainly do it often to bullies, criminals, criminal organisations, hate groups and people with dangerous mental health issues. One boundary must be kept safe as a priority and also in order for it to help other boundaries.
There can never be 100% tolerance, freedom or safety, but we should ideally try and maximise it. We need some degree of intolerance and oppression towards other acts of intolerance, oppression and violence in order for this to happen (and the potential for it).
Yes, but a decision should not be limited to looking only at terrorism, only the last 15-20 years (which one?), with a rough percentage, and only within the US. We should consider whether there is greater intolerance, oppression and violence of any kind or severity stemming from Islamic cultures throughout the entire world (relative to other cultures in general). It would be foolhardy to make a decision either way on anything less.
This one statistic is not thorough enough to base a decision on (nor would it be if it was one statistic chosen by someone else trying to prove the other point of view).
+N A Except preventing people from coming into the US would do absolutely nothing to prevent danger anywhere else in the world. The best it would do is prevent terrorism in the US, so looking at US terrorism alone is enough to inform the decision.
Am I the only one who heard "This episode is deported by prudential"?
thank 4 telling how to think what on earth would i do with out you
She didn't. She just told you which way of thinking is most beneficial to all parties, based on scientific experimentation and observation. You can think whatever you like; that just doesn't mean it's optimal.
another great episode
0:42 sharkies fan eh 'ness? Enjoying that premiership?
KING IN THE NORTH!
Very nice video!
Really like the art style :+1:
hmmm, tell me what about a society where a group who want to join but refuse to integrate with the group the ywant to join. how can the 'out; group also help and be cooperative with the 'in' roup? ts not always the 'in' group who are to blame.
If you're referring to refugees: there's zero reason why they should be forced to integrate.
no i'm not
Explain what you think "integration" is and why it's so important? Is there a reason people of different cultures can't help each other without someone changing their culture?
Well maybe, if the other "citizens of the earth" could stop being different I wouldn't have to hate them so much!
It's like they're not even trying to please me.
We all want our future to be as secure as our present? Um, actually I was hoping our future might actually be significantly (though not huuugely) more secure than the present :p
What's the music in the background?
i like the style of this video! something different.
wait.... people start to like people who save them from electric shocks?... wow...how surprising.. |:-/...
We need New prudential studies :)
awesome video ! honestly made me think better of the world :)
Thank you so much... I really have something to say in my heart but i don't think my English will help me.. I liked your video thank you so much... We all brothers and sisters living in the same planet and we have to be nice with each other
Love your drawings
But what if the person you welcome has a belief that killing you is a mercy? That because you don't believe in their god, you should be stoned to death? And that killing you for this reason is loving and kind? Because here's the thing -- if everyone else believes we were all in this together, then I would welcome everyone. But that's not the world we live in.
Weltschmerz...Some days I just need a break.
Very liberal, I'm all about helping people, until it compromises the safety of me and those I love
Connor Phares isn't that the point? We are wired to favour those we love and end up discriminating those we don't. After all you don't only love your family but also your friends, neighbours, colleague, people from your party, club, school... country, gender, ethnicity, religion.
Safety? If it's safety you want, watch out for those toddlers! They're the real danger.
pbs.twimg.com/media/C3ReWexWEAAL6WQ.jpg:large
Mace Moneta lightning and lawnmower she kill more people than toddlers. We should discriminate against them. There should be a law against thunderstorms.
Abílio Carlos Pedro Correia You have my support. Hell no, lightning go! Everything was peaceful until the thunderstorms came into the neighborhood and started killing people.
Mace Moneta but in all seriousness, does people who were killed by toddlers probably loved them. They were killed because the kids were too ignorant (in the sense that they haven't yet learned how too use a gun, the consequences of pushing the trigger, and the permanent reality of death) so, at least in this situation, love kills more than the unknown
All in this together, and yet led to the technological marvels of current year with a generation worse than their parents... but, we can change that, away from the expectation of the system that brought us together in this form.
One way how: 'Building A Universe Competition' #BAUniC
That's one of the worst experiments I've heard of! Members of experiments getting shocked!? And then shocked again?!! (Or is it like "Oh! I was so shocked to [verb] that [something]." kinda thing?? That would be hilarious!)
Wisdom is only useful if used, and it can only be used if those hearing it takes it the right way. I agree with what you said wholeheartedly, but from a conservative's POV, this comes off as a bit condescending, especially the end. It's easy to say these things, but then I see people being attacked for barely breathing a differing opinion. Hopefully, humanity can get past this hurdle, but as you pointed out, psychology is a hard habit to break.
Reminder that it's common sense to be against illegal and uncontrolled immigration. It has nothing to do with empathy or stereotypes, unvetted migrants with no intention of becoming law abiding citizens have been a well known source of problems all around the world, any healthy society must protect its borders.
What happens if those immigrants don't pay taxes and leech from the country?
I was not given a choice to exist, this is nether here nore there.
To add some nuance. Facts matter, values matter, aswell as ideas (and thus culture). Just look at the Pew Research studies. 50-99% of muslims (depending on the country) want sharia law to rule their society.
While I think it is important as you say to compensate for our biases. It is also important to not be naive. And it is important not to make naive assumptions (as well as negative assumptions not supported by facts).
The question is. If the percentage of muslims increase in a society. Does it lead to positive change or negative change? In relation to our most fundamental values (human rights, view of women, freedom of speech etc. Judging from the statistics and facts. It will probably be a negative change.
Peter Griffin out.
Beautiful video
The only problems I have with immigrants is their driving "skills." People from east and southeast asia are the worst. Coming from a family of immigrants myself, the other problem is that they expect others to bend over backwards for them in terms of language. Uh, no, it's respectful to at least learn a little bit of the native tongue to get by. I have walked away from my kind asking for directions because they didn't take the time to learn the English language, and expect me to to help them.
2:32 Can an ability be difficult ? x)
read the seilfish gene by dawkins
The difference between immigrants from Mexica and Muslim refugees is that immigrants don't force their beliefs on the country they move to.
until members of the outgroup enter and commit mass assault and rape. Cologne
Oh, you're right. Because that's much worse than when members of the ingroup commit mass murder. White people.
whatever mate I dont debate with racist pricks
The same things could apply to political parties.
Hey! Why are the captions only in Arabic?
may more people can understand it.