The Dunning Kruger Effect
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- The Dunning Kruger Effect is a cognitive bias that makes people believe they are smarter and more capable than they actually are. The effect is related to people’s general inaptitude to recognize their lack of ability. To learn how this comes about and what you can do to avoid it from happening to you, watch our video. #learn #motivation #bias
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I must respectfully reply to your request to inform you that you are a classic case and exhibit all the symptoms.
The delusional level of competence exhibited in assuming the position that 'Sprouts' channel is qualified to teach about DKE is self evident. Thanks for the entertaining video
Look for a liberal and you will have found that person you should study. Colleges are filled with Bullwinkle's that "know it all" and who should talk less and listen more.
Good one! 😆
2:10 Wait, what?? WTF?? Politics aside, give me at least ONE examples of such a debate!! Can't really imagine one...
As the "confident simpleton" knows almost nothing, you just need 1-2 random terms or ideas that he never heard about, not even mentioning some coherent thought process or deeper reasoning that are just slightly more deep and complex than the most shallow perception he owns, which is easy for the student or teacher to say..
I saw many times someone like this "confident simpleton" being quickly and mercilessly EXTINGUISHED with just few facts or coherent thoughts, as he actually knows nothing about the topic and can't even reciprocate or counter any arguments, without being immediately shot down...
Just what kind of debate could possibly go the way you describe here, to be stupidly won by this simpleton because everyone else just keeps quiet instead of easily crushing him??
@@scarletevans4474 A semblance of a Dunning-Kruger effect can happen for a variety of reasons but it is not the normal pattern. Examples of Dunning-Kruger effect are usually given using examples of knowledge accruement but I think where it occurs in its truest sense is probably not so much in knowledge accruement but in innate intelligence.
Generally, intelligence tends to tends to self educate and accrue knowledge and understanding to fill its capacity, regardless of formal education.
Also, influence flows down the collective IQ gradient, that is, smarter people influence dumber people more than visa-versa.
So smarter people tend to be noticeably smarter, and the dumber noticeably dumber. That is, tend to be but not always.
However, it is also true that those of low intelligence can believe themselves to be smarter than they are, and as smart as or smarter than others too. Criminals and certain PD types are groups in which individuals often display this trait.
Also, some smart people with high observational awareness, problem solving ability and foresight, who do not realise their abilities are qualities of their higher intelligence and who do not realise that others may not have the same degree of intelligence, may get frustrated at others and think them lazy, slack or poorly motivated rather than dumber than themselves. Such smart people are not fully cognizant of how intelligent they are in comparison to others, and of what the qualities and abilities of intelligence are.
Radical Leftist psychologists, clinical counsellors and social science educators, have for several decades been hard at work preaching that there is no such thing as IQ or that IQ is social construct, or that all individuals are born with equal intelligence and any differences are due to sociocultural conditioning. This unrealistic teaching is common in our schools, in the social sciences, and is being heavily disseminated into the wider community through social change programs being pushed out from gov funded mental health and welfare services. The same organisations push a resentful victimhood mentality into communities so as to attract, generate and retain clients to fatten their client stats and keep funding coming in and themselves in their jobs. Such educational and welfare facilities are encouraging people of lower intelligence to resentfully believe themselves to be as intelligent as everyone else and believe that they are disadvantaged and oppressed victims of white patriarchal capitalist society.
"When I was young, I knew all the answers."
"Now that I am old, I am not even sure what the right questions are."
The Dunning Kruger effect has been debunked btw! ruclips.net/video/e4IfVoQArAU/видео.html
@@victimsofcuriosity5655 ignorant is bliss as the old saying say.
@@victimsofcuriosity5655 Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man. The Dude abides
@@victimsofcuriosity5655 Do you have another source? The folks on the video link you provided don’t seem believable actually. I don’t hold a lot of weight to anything on TruTV (like the video link you provided).
@@victimsofcuriosity5655 Kudos for the (seemingly) relevant link. However, the title and notion the DKE is ‘debunked’ is not supported in the video. If you search you’ll find more recent survey research assessing the validity of DKE finding it has, in fact, withstood the test of time… still valid, apparently basic human nature.
When you’re dead you don’t know you’re dead. All the pain is felt by others. The same thing happens when you’re stupid.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 "the pain is felt by others..."👌
Lol!
WIN COMMENT
yup
Yep. All leftists
The world would be a much better place if more people understood that blind confidence comes from ignorance more than knowledge.
JOEBIDEN
@@foxgun100man you must be obssesed with Biden lmao, get your politics out of here.
@@jgnogueira blowme
@@jgnogueiraactually Biden really does overestimate his abilities, even f9rapol8tician. So yes Beijing Joe would be a good example.
@@kooringagnddurrrrrr
RUclips comments sections are the greatest example of this effect in practice. The fact that people have no accountability and are anonymous amplifies this by several thousand times.
I think the cream rises to the top with LIKE feedback though it becomes increasingly dominated with wittiness because people LIKE to laugh.
you mean all the politicians in murica!? no accountability even when not being anonymous.
I've thought about this before but in a different context.
I use my name online all the time for accountability of my words. It keeps you reasonable too. Unless it's a gaming platform name tag.
The whole corona vaccination discussion is the best example in the last years in my opinion.
You're free to spread your words but don't cry over replies
When you get murdered in your dream, that's the Freddy Krueger effect.
Lol
Wtf lmao
and eaten, Donner Kruger effect
@@bodgertime
You had to ruin it for everyone… 👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻
LMAO!!😂😂😂🤦
“The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence.”
― Charles Bukowski
He's basically paraphrasing W B Yeats. "The best lack all conviction, while the worst / Are full of passionate intensity."
I write symphonies on my channel. I taught myself, just please dont automatically say I'm dumb
@@erik878 I can symphonise with that, though I got fired from my job leading the orchestra on grounds of mis-conduct! ;)
Who's the person that said that but used the word "cocksure"?
@@crazydavec3861 sounds like a minor offense
I'm a writer, and got caught in this trap. When I first started out I actually thought I was pretty good. Many rejection slips resulted. I persevered for a while but eventually stopped writing. Looking back I realise I stopped just as I was getting to a publishable standard. I've taken it up again, and have a novel coming out at the end of the month.
That’s so awesome!
As in all of The Arts, one must hone their skills!
Well done, you can rightly be proud of yourself. Great achievement and good on you for sticking at it. What is the title of your novel?
@@alvindimes4729 "The Troubadour", it's a medieval thriller (with a bit of romance thrown in).
@@JaneNewAuthor Well, that sounds something I might like to have a look at. Who is the publisher?
I used to live in Alaska so naturally I got used to driving in ice and snow. I moved back down to the lower 48 and one time me and some friends were going to go somewhere, but a snowstorm came in. Since I had more experience in that weather I was going to drive. After a little while I said we had to turn back. My friend asked why since I knew how to drive in snow. I told him I knew enough to know the conditions were too bad to attempt it.
same, same as a long haul otr trucker. i know how to drive in those conditions - slowing down is a start - and when not to drive in them.
Wow that is so amazingly and totally not even a little interesting
"... I knew enough to know the conditions were too bad to attempt it".
That is not so much knowledge as it is wiseness. Very different from the comment of @Hoager that came before my own which only show an empty life.
Yes. I'm a native Michigander, now living in Missouri.
When we get bad winter weather here, my friends will say "You're the one who knows how to handle it, you can drive to us (they live 30 miles away)." I tell them that one thing a native northerner knows is when to just stay home and not even attempt to venture out.
I moved here to get away from the winter conditions, and I don't go out in them now.
@@jb6712 I happened to have to drive in about 12 of the last 20 big storms. Go 50 KM/h max, if needed go 40 max, if you need to go under 30 KMH you should be home, go back early, call your friends and say you aint getting there soon.
Imagine sitting in prison and being haunted by the fact that you thought lemon juice made you invisible to cameras.
imagine sitting in prison and being haunted by the fact you thought trump never lied.
@@XD-te6vj yes, dems is holy place . To worship and Republicans are evil. I get it . Now move on
Wonder if wearing lemon juice kept him invisible in prison?
Imagine sitting in prison and your fellow inmates knowing you're even dumber than them.
He was arrested? I just watched up until the video taught me lemon juice makes me invisible.
"The people who are scariest to me are the people who don't even know enough to realize how little they know." - Thomas Sowell
the irony is tremendous
So true, they are really the scariest.
@@cubesof2 lol took the words right out of my mouth. Sowell is a walking epitome of the dunning-kruger effect.
@@florida12341000 "Sowell is a walking epitome of the dunning-kruger effect."
Translation: Thomas Sowell disagrees with me about something I strongly believe in and now I'm salty.
@@KageMinowara sorry he doesnt just disagree with me but he also disgrees with actual history and research
About 4 years ago, I printed out the original paper by dunning and Kruger, but I never read it, because I think the irony is funny when I tell people about the effect
😂
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Lol ok that's funny. Best part? 8/10 people will be oblivious of the irony.
Irony requires a double meaning and you really should read the paper because the common description is simply wrong. The curve of self-assessment is flatter than ability. We are all biased toward the mean.
@@nathanlevesque7812 _"you really should read the paper because the common description is simply wrong"_
Yep, this video isn't even close, the actual graph (from the actual study) showing perceived ability vs actual score consists of two, pretty much, linear plots (not these made up curves in this video) that don't intersect until around the 4th quartile, basically two rising values that cross towards the end of the 'perceived ability' range. This video is largely nonsense and misinformation.
This is why there is the saying, " a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing'.
there is no such saying.
@@peterg5383 There are many, many references to this statement. You must be a product of the Dunning-Kruger Effect.
@@BigPeter1313: no, the saying is "a little bit *of* knowledge is a dangerous thing."
would you like to insult me again?
@@peterg5383 That's Exactly what I stated in the first place!
@@peterg5383 I would absolutely love to. Autocorrect changed on and of. Do we want to do this battle?
That's why there are quotes saying empty cans makes the loudest sound
*Empty vessels make the loudest noise
genius
The Dunning Kruger effect has been debunked btw! ruclips.net/video/e4IfVoQArAU/видео.html
He who knows most, says least.
Reveals something about the people you meet online, hey? 😂
I never heard that one before. Nice.
This is why everyone on the internet is the expert, and the experts stay quiet. Also why many people rate themselves SO high on a work self-assessment in all areas.
AND why they vote for certain parties
Yep a couple of liberals already proved it with their words in the comments
Internet only? Look at Media...Idiocracy in action. This is why I wish the 2030 agenda was what the Conspiracy Theorists think it is.
the people who pay me want to know if I do my job or not, what should I say?
Like you, with this comment.
I have been in industrial maintenance for 40 years. This is completely accurate. Few things are more dangerous than the new guy who thinks he knows how things work. I have been working on the equipment for decades. I understand it well. But the most important thing I know is when to dig into the books or call for outside help because no one can know it all.
Dad used to say, "you need to be smart enough to know when you're not smart enough"
Welder (30yr experience pressure A+B) here, same experience. Ive had 18y/o kids with me, fresh out of school who argue with me about how things are done. One thing Ive noticed, is that it gets worse, the younger they are. Might have something to do with people like Joe Biden, or Justin Castro
So right!! 30 yrs here. The FIRST thing I do is ask the operator what they think is wrong and why they think that. So many of us think the operators are dumb and don’t know what they are talking about. That is a bad attitude on many levels
@BRAV-lm6xk The best lesson a maintainer can learn is to talk to machine operators every day. They are our customers.
@@wmason1961 Absolutely
That's why a mindset of curiosity is important. Always knowing there's more to learn even when you think there's nothing else
Old
"The first indication of stupidity is the complete lack of shame". S. Freud
Great
That is so true.
Well, it is considered to be a virtue to be dumb and shameless these days. I'm 18 and I've literally seen people being congratulated for not coming last in class. Clasmates throwing parties for failing in ' only ' one subject while the toppers sunk themselves in work and the burden of future plans. Self control is seen as something distasteful and shallow coping mechanisms are glorified. The very fact that people are more willing to jump to extremes of a political spectrum than its middle is enough testimony to how much we modern humans hate cognitive workload.
Obviously, humans have been pretty shitty in the past as well, but atleast we had values and visions guiding us. As difficult it was, there was always a high standard to attain in terms of character. Mediocrity was never celebrated the way it is now.
@@introverteddawg9805 Thank you for your feedback, and for being way ahead of your years.
Young people like yourself give us hope for a better future.
Donald J. Trump.
A University Professor once said : "you learn more and more about less and less until you end up knowing everything about nothing"
What I learned while at college was:
ENGINEERS learn more and more about less and less until you end up knowing everything about 'almost' nothing.
ARCHITECTS learn less and less about more and more until you end up knowing 'almost' nothing about everything.
DRAFTERS having to work with ENGINEERS & ARCHITECTS end up knowing 'almost' nothing about 'almost' nothing.
Thus, Engineers are limited specialists, Architects are exceptional generalists, and poor Drafters end up confused.
that's when you become a professor
@@davidjones-vx9ju : whahahahahaha!
Awesomely funny!🤣
Look at this! so confident that not being learned.... is actually smarter!! lol Dream on kids! Take that teacher!!! lolololol kids....
You learn so much to be able to answer every questions given and score full marks in every exam.
Until one point you reach the pinnacle of university education, you will discover the truth of what the education system should actually be.
You will learn so much, everything, anything...just to find a question that nobody thinks could have existed. Then it will be a lifetime journey to form at least an acceptable answer.
Afterwards those after your time will pick up your question and answer to build up upon them...creating even more unanswerable questions and incomplete answers.
At that point you will understand the true magnitude of knowledge and how miniscule we really are...
This video really points out the value of humility. I think my least favorite attribute in a person is smugness 🙄
Humans are naturally repelled by smugness because it's an indication of stupidity taking over
After 15 minutes of research, I understand the DK effect better than anyone on Earth and all time.
I just browsed half a minute, I understand more than anyone...
lmao
How long can a society run on the Dunning- Krueger effect. This is a perfect description of American politics.
Democrats to a T
@@LazyOtaku - To quote D. Trump: "On both sides..."
You need some perspective. Try "The FBI Nobody Knows", 1964, Fred Cook. Old, but important still. Hoover was inflated with D-K.
Boom.
@@LazyOtaku lol you're so close
That simpleton is literally every politician... They know nothing about the subject but project full confidence( come on... Guys ...I just commented to make my point... People here are making worthless arguments.... I guess part of system
exactly
Nice profile
@@DragonGoddess18 Lol you do know democrats keep getting the popular vote right? This literally describes most of the lefts political positions.
@@benjaminr8961 Nice try
Also virtuous people, they are very convinced their ideas for good are correct. In the west we have a saying: The road to hell is paved with good intentions. The Taoists in the east have a saying that goes something like: True virtue is not aware of itself as virtue, and virtue aware of itself is not virtue but is deceit.
Puts me in mind of Yeats' poem The Second Coming where he writes: "The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity." It also reminds me of something I've been telling myself for years: The more I know, the more I realize how little I know. Just one more quote, from Ray Bradbury's Dandelion Wine: "When you are 17, you know everything. Then you are 27, if you still know everything, you are still 17."
The lesson as a student is to listen well, ask questions, and act with confidence when given a task. Even if you fail you still learn.
As a teacher, give your students chances to act while teaching so that they gain understanding and confidence with repeated, progressive tasks.
Old Proverb - "When arguing with a fool, first make sure that the other person isn't doing the same thing":)
Another saying - It is hard to beat a intelligent person in a argument and impossible to beat a fool
@@wildtill9 A pigeon will knock over the chess pieces, and act like it has won.
If youre born to be hanged then you'll never be drowned!
Never argue with stupid people...they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Mark Twain
@@davidjackson6835 I came to this thread to make that same comment lol! 👍👍👍
That explains why we have so many "experts" in RUclips comments section!
says the expert!
I think you've got Dunning Kruger effect Dunning Kruger effect, but who knows ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@BlueRGuy I see your point and raise you the "No u" card.
Them: "ArE yOu CaLLiNg Me St000Pid?!"
Me: "Oh, heavens no, I'm merely pointing out that you're incapable of realizing just how little of the subject you grasp, based on how poorly informed you appear to be."
Them: "So YoU *aRe* CaLLiNg Me St000Pid?!"
Me: "I wasn't, but I'm willing to change my mind if you're telling me that it is willful ignorance, and not naïvety."
As a RUclips serial commenter, all I can say is I go oonga boonga.
I've picked up a lot of hobbies but Chess was by far my biggest eye opener to how real this is
I like going in with the mindset that I don't know anything even if I do know it, and what I do know is just to improvise my way through it.
It keeps me open-minded to other people suggestions and ideas.
So basically.
Dumb people think they are smart.
Smart people think they are dumb.
But now that I know the effect if I think I am stupid then I would essentially be calling myself smart.
So If I think of myself as smart then I would be stupid and hence I can come to the true conclusion that I am stupid.
Now let's do it all over again.
Now the Dunning Kruger Effect is no longer an effect. Its a paradox.
Thank you for allowing me to eliminate some braincells.
Edit: Guys its a joke.
😂
If you really think so try learning something. Btw if you think you are stupid you are on right path.
I was thinking the same thingggg. For me, In conclusion, I'm stupid T_T
You're mixing statistics with logic reasoning. 😉
1) A lot of dumb people (who know little) think they know more than others
2) A lot of average educated people think they know less than others
3) A lot of very educated people know that they know a lot, but could be wrong at any point
4) and then, there is every other possible combination, too... 🙂
Dunning-Kruger says nothing definitive about you or me. But it acts as a warning. Always be careful when you think you're very competent.
And if someone very CONFIDENT calls you incompetent, don’t give in too easily. 😁
he's right
he who thinks of himself as a fool is genius because foolishness leads to improvement in learning.
Some of my most laziest friends are smart in a way. One of them forgot to read a book and an in class essay was happening in class the next day. Instead of reading the book they just found an audio book on youtube and then searched all the needed analysis. Even after that, their grade was fine! It was really smart and efficient tbh.
@@cassandrah396
I do this all the Time but i dont think it is Smart,It is foolish to wait last minute...
I spend the rest of the Time just watching Shows, and Then Go through the topic like few days before the Exam and get good grades
A Fancy word for this would be procrastination, Not smart in my case atleast
Truee
Sheikh Chilli thought he was very foolish and he actually was!!
Your argument doesn't make any sense it doesn't matter you call yourself fool or prodigy what matters is your work to support it! 🤦♂️😡🤫✌
@@abhayraj4189 I guess it depends on how you look at it. because you’re right, procrastination is technically not smart
The older i get the more i wish i learned in my youth when my brain was strong and agile… now everything learned comes at great cost of concentration and study
What you would have learned in the youth, you would have forgotten meanwhile, if you didn't use the knowledge. So output is the same.
You have no idea how much I needed to see this video.
Reminds me of sports. Most people never play them, but will confidently tell you what some player SHOULD have done on the field and call him an idiot.
You're preaching to my choir. It drives me nuts when people get on umpires. I've officiated sports and I can tell you it's hard and you have to have incredibly thick skin
Eh not really the same thing. There are literally professional sports watchers who know more about some games than some of those that play them. They cannot USE that knowledge when playing, but they are indeed knowledgeable about the sport.
@@basedbear1605 But fat Earl in Finance doesn't know. That's the type I'm talking about here.
@@TimErwin gotcha
I Remembered studding this in school. Because of this, when I became a hiring manager, I was always reserved when the people I was interviewing were very confident in their answers. It's a bit of a catch 22 as you are told, and rightfully so, that confidence is key to nailing an interview. But in the end I found my team had a higher skill set than other departments, just by appreciating people who were more reserved in their answers.
"True knowledge exists in knowing you truly know nothing" - Socrates.
you are anomally in HR Department Neo.
Pity HR tend to go toward cocky people who will not be as good as they “sale” themselves
The serenity prayer is a great example of this:
"God grant me the serenity to accept the things i cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference."
The last part is warning against the DK effect..
Way back in 1975, I took swimming lessons. One of the very first lessons our class was taught was that it's not the beginning swimmer or the experienced swimmer at the greatest risk for drowning.
It is the intermediate swimmers who take the greatest chances thinking they can go farther or longer than they're ability level. They are at the greatest risk to drown.
That seems maybe true, but would not be the DK-effect. The effect you describe, if drawn on the same Confidence-Knowledge chart would look like a hill, starting low, growing high, then going back down - with that highest (dangerous) confidence in the middle, rather than at the beginning like the DK-effect. In your example, the beginning swimmer knows they can't swim well and is therefore properly cautious (since they DON'T die, as much as the intermediate swimmer). Interesting variation from the DK-effect. Thanks.
It’s that way with pilots as well.I seem to recall about the 200 hour level as most dangerous.
did they allow male swimmers to compete in women's swimming championships then?
I worked in I.T. for 25 years. around 5 years in I started using "should" in place of "will" as in it "should work" . towards the end of my career I could not give a direct or definitive answer on any problem presented "it's complicated" became my mantra.
exactly the same with me
Dangerous, in IT, to say "It will work" =oO
I personally love “it depends”.
This video is very helpful for me.
Because it actually explains my problem with my subject,
I always thought that I hadn't learnt anything but now I got to know that i have to overcome my fear, let procrastinating aside and should give time and dedication to my subject.
Thank You So much
I am a pro procrastinator, do not leave me aside, when the time is right, I act.
Only a few know how much one must know to know how little one knows.
-Werner Heisenberg.
Heisenberg said that, not Feynman
@@fardeenrafiq yeah you're right... I misremembered cause the video reminds me a lot about feynman's thoughts.
@@creedbratton4950 Heisenberg uncertainty principle
A tounge twister
For a final answer, let's ask Schrodinger's cat.
Indeed, my motto in life is “I am only a student, I am still learning” I cannot claim mastery in anything because when I do encounter a wiser head, I am ready to listen.
SOME "people" get a little bit of biased info -and they're an expert on the subject - and deride the people who have more knowledge and a performed broader research on that subject
Kind of what is happening nowadays
Look up “libertarian” before assuming that philosophy. Maybe take a course...
@@msmith53I am confused. Can you explain that?
not a sole came here hoping to hear your motto in life... this video is not all about you
This video reminds me that I experience pain when I mistakenly believe things should be different than what they actually are.
One of my favorite saying is, A little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing. Discovered this when I went to teachers college and realized how little I know.
We living in the Dunning-Kruger age, with the internet people is more confident to think they’re know everything about all things in the world, but actually they don’t know almost nothing
Don't be so hard on yourself
@@crouchingwombathiddenquoll5641 Don’t be so asshole with yourself
Yeah, the thing is that people use the internet to only search info that confirms their beliefs, leaving behind anything that goes against them, and the vast availability of info, and easiness to create and publish it through the internet, as you said, multiplies all this shit by a fuckton
@@pablobarrios7681 Exactly
well, nothing is absolute. theres nothing wrong with debunking established beliefs based on internet research.
collect info, take action, execute, see results and then you get to learn something new by experience, thus becoming confident in certain subjects.
theres nothing wrong with keyboard/internet warriors/experts.
I just realized I'm such a simpleton. It honestly took a lot of effort to break down the pride of thinking you know a lot of things. Thanks for this video😊💖.
Goodjob
good to admit it, we all are a simpleton somewhere!
You have arrived at the threshold of learning.
Ive really been stressing out at work with this new promotion I got recently & its in a completely new Department that Im going to be in charge of & Ive been freaking out over this because I know that I know absolutely nothing; Plus the workload is literally 10x the amount of work I was doing before.
This video really helped me feel better. Thank you.
Let's be honest here, everyone does this. It's not that we are stupid, but rather that we feel like our knowledge about something is adequate because we don't know there even is more knowledge to know.
I remember when I started doing art, I felt like I was so good and confident. Now that I do it professionally, I finally feel that I still have much to learn. Again I don't think I was stupid back then, I just didn't understand the complexity of my work.
Ah yes, a classic!
"The more you know, the more you know you don't know."
I think this is something that is crucial for young minds to be reminded of on a relatively frequent basis, to put them in perspective and motivate learning. I'll definitely share this video with others. Short and simple :]
EDIT:
Read some of the other comments. They have articles kind of debunking the effect/attributing it to other factors. Very interesting stuff.
Thanks as always SiMe!
2 years ago in 10th standard I thought that I knew a majority of things in science.. but now studying 11th and 12th standard science makes me realize how little I knew... and I still know that the science that I am studying is literally 1% of the actual science.
Per the edit: Looks at US Congress... yes but no.
I still think it’s true. If you learn how nuanced something is but you don’t know all the details for certain, you can’t really answer confidently.
That's only if you accept the additional info about what you know and incorporate and expand the knowledge ghat you already possess
The older I get, the more I realize how little I know.
Or,,, The more you know, the more you know you don't know.
Ditto. I’m now at an age where I doubt myself on everything.
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More accurately, The older I get the more I realize how little I knew in relation to how much I thought I knew.
Comforting to learn that. Stay humble, keep learning, build confidence, always moving ahead.
So, basically, beginners don't know what they don't know. Whereas experts know what they don't know. Ah, Rumsfeld, you genius!
Tbf, that's a rich old corrupt piece of human jerky. He certainly figured out the grift. 😆
It's actually just a bias towards the average but nobody making videos about it bothered to figure that much out.
it’s more nuanced. 1. Experts don’t necessarily know *what* they don’t know: but they’re aware there’s plenty THAT they don’t know. 2. Experts in a given field tend to over-estimate the ability or knowledge of the average person, compared to their own - and so they underestimate their own performance in relation to the average.
@@nathanlevesque7812 Yep, take the two plots (perceived vs actual ability), lay them out as they should ideally be - on top of each other - then bias the perceived ability plot towards the average - essentially making its rising angle shallower, and you have a decent approximation of the result . . . it's not a dramatic result, its sort of what you might expect with a common-sense look at people and how they might view themselves . . . yet it's become this completely unrelated, over-exaggerated, fabricated, internet 'fact' about how 'dumb people think they're geniuses' - when it suggests nothing of the sort.
This makes total sense to me... I've been an HVAC technician most of my life. But I became a better technician when I became a teacher.. I learned more when I started teaching. It was an eye opener, I realized how much I didn't know when I started teaching... But yet before, I thought I knew it all....
Now what do we call that? The Feynman effect?
Teaching is ALWAYS the best way to learn. There's something about having to explain it to someone else that both solidifies the basics and fundamentals but simultaneously brings to the surface unknown aspects that give you pause before opening your mouth. "Simple" questions that beginners ask can often surprisingly bore directly into and focus right onto those unknown aspects. And "from the mouths of babes" can come questions that provide the deepest insights. I love teaching, for both generous and selfish reasons. I love seeing light-bulbs and inspiration in others, but also I know the more I teach the more I learn. Essentially, everyone is both teacher and student. I learn from everyone - that janitor, that homeless person, that stranger... Everyone has something you can learn from. Every conversation with every person has something for you to learn. It gets abstract and philosophical, but hey - that's what life's all about!
For me, the Dunning Kruger Effect has combined with Impostor Syndrome, leaving me with delusions of adequacy.
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I bet you’d like “You’re Pitiful” by Weird Al, that’s basically the subject of the entire song
“Your homemade Star Trek uniform really ain’t impressing me...
You’re having delusions of adequacy...”
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That is soo true.. And its so hard to keep learning when you understand how limited your current knowledge is 😕 it takes a lot of perseverence and discipline to master the skill
Perfectly sum up my experience with classical mechanics course. The more I study, the more I'm afraid of the final exam.
There’s a bit more to Dunning and Kruegers research than just explaining Mt Stupid and the valley of despair. One of the studies they did was an survey of students taking an exam. They asked the students before taking the test to rate how they thought they would do and then again after they had taken the test and predict their scores. The lowest scoring students all tended to predict higher scores than they actually got and their predictions had the widest margin of error. On the other end of the scale, the top performing students not only tended to underestimate their actual scores but (more importantly) we’re the most accurate in their predictions.
The real lesson here, that many people ignore, is that people who are most knowledgeable in a given subject are also most able to accurately assess their own level of competence. So if you want to get good at something, be it an academic field, a sport, a hobby, video games, art or whatever it may be, learning to accurately assess your own performance will help you immensely. Now obviously just knowing that won’t immediately improve your performance, you have to learn how to critique yourself and learn what is and is not important. But making honest and accurate self-reflection a habit is a great way to improve.
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Dunning and Krueger never found any Mt Stupid, that's only a mistake lots of people do without even checking on Wikipedia
@sixtealbisetti2480 the irony of that thing happening 💀
@@sixtealbisetti2480why would you check anything on Wikipedia? That website is written by people suffering from the Dunning Kruger effect
In school I always though I'd do poorly on tests because, even if I'd studied, I couldn't recall a thing. Only when confronted with questions did all the right answers come out. Same with conversations. Couldn't start one 'cause I couldn't think of anything to say. When someone started one on a topic I'd read books about I could expound on it. Memory is a strange thing.
This is the best description
People who commented something like "oh yeah, finally i know that I'm stupid" actually just sounds like self-defense and another way to say "yeah, actually i know I'm smart"
*Underrated comment*
Liberals are awesome at this
Sprouts, I loved this video so much, I had to hit the like button!
Yay! Thank you! 🙏🏻
It’s not what you don’t know that gets you in trouble, it’s what you know for certain that’s just not true.
I think this effect stems from the fact that when we start to learn, let's say, a new science, we easily learn the basics, because they are usually simple, so our confidence goes up. Upon further learning we realize how much there's more to learn. We learn more and more about the things we need to learn in order to be an expert. So we feel less confident about our current abilities because we understand there's much more we don't know than we know. But as we keep going, this "unknown" portion keeps shrinking and our knowledge keeps increasing. So we become more confident in ourselves.
I think this does not work with science and math because you always know how much you know. and how much you don't know.
In science there is always some mystery that make you think that you don't know anything and you need to learn more.
This effect bind the idea of confidence , but know 1+1 = 2 has nothing to do with confidence. The true stupidity is believing in this effect , that's the true finding of this effect.
and that is all based upon an opinion with absolutely zero data/facts to back up so totally worthless
It seems all you did was restate what video conveyed.
I really got lots from this. I watched a full minute and I now know more about the Dunning Kruger effect than anyone else.
A “little” knowledge is a dangerous thing, for sure.
"Yesterday I was clever, so I wanted to change the world. Today I am wise so I am changing myself."
Rumi.
My biggest memory is a kid named Brad in high school in the 1980s. He was a horrible athlete, but yet would constantly be surprised when he didn't make the all-county football team or all-conference baseball team. Even though he rode the bench. He played guitar, but only in the most rudimentary way. He could not understand why people didn't consider him a virtuoso even though he couldn't play the things other people could. Back to Football, he did not even get on the field until his senior year, and that was only on special teams. But I remember him telling me that he's excited for the all-county vote to see if he made it. Even though there were sophomores playing on special teams that were far better players. He just wasn't smart enough to see what he really was
There are these kind of people, I have a schoolmate with the same attitude. Do you think there is something we could do? Something to help them open their eyes?
@@TheRikusj21 we won't be able to do anything that will change Human Nature
@@richardbullwood5941 That's kinda depressing from our point of view, but I agree. You think showing them how much they don't know won't help? They deny everything, don't they...
Or he was sarcastic about his chances and you didn't understand, not everything a person says is believed by the person saying, perhaps he was testing your ability to understand sarcasm
@@DanielWebb-ux5mz Yes, I'm sure you're right. Him living this 4-year delusion in high school was all sarcasm. Every last bit of it. Everyday, every year, every sport everything. Just being sarcastic. Do you think that I could know this guy all the time I did, four years, and it was just all a joke? I think your odd take, which really isn't even realistic if you stop and think about it, says more about you and your expectations than it does about Brad or me or whoever. Trying to tell me that every aspect of this kid's life and all of his delusions was just a multi-year joke he was playing on everybody? Well, it wasn't. Sorry to pop your balloon. What a strange comment.
""The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence." ~ Charles Bukowski"
damn! It helps me a lot. Now i understand why my motivation goes down when i study more than expected!
Evey time I study organic chemistry I feel demotivated because it makes me realize how little I know😅
@@adityadivyasharma2969 everytime i study inorganic i cry because of how annoying it is
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You’re spot on.
Success likes speed. Massive amounts of action.
another aspect not often talked about with the DKE is in the opposite end of the spectrum
where the new learner gains overconfidence in their knowledge, the expert can ironically underestimate how complex the knowledge is
whenever someone gets frustrated teaching someone who isn't understanding the topic, the expert assumes that the learner should be able to understand because to the expert, the information is relatively simple because they already understand it
I remember thinking that why people who spend so much money making a movie, screw up the most basic part, the story, but as i started to write my own novel, i realised that at some point you lose the ability to judge your own work, and thats the reason i have no idea weather the 2nd draft i have written is any good or not, i did follow the basics of writers advices, spend plenty of time researching, but at the end i really cant tell if i have messed up or made something decent.
This system awards simpletons. Everybody is a winner, you're perfect the way you are and several other mind numbing mantras are presented as truth.
Be with the best, be the best. Drink Coca Cola.
Diversity and inclusion activist present their bullshit as such. Diversity is not always good. Inclusion is not always good.
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They knew what they were doing when they started this stuff. They knew we would raise generations of brats that want their own way, and when they grow up, they still want their own way, which is why it's so easy to divide us. Just my thoughts. I could be way off, but it does seem rational.
@@robertramsey653 you’re pretty spot on
One of the difficulties of becoming an expert is relearning how to confidently assert your expertise. This doesn't mean you will always be right or that you don't continue to learn, but you realized that you honestly know considerably more than other people and they are not benefiting from your (false) humility.
That is the last stage. I learned something similar in a leadership lecture. People start out unconsciously unskilled, as in, they know very little, but they are ignorant of how much there is to know. Then when they learn how much they don't know, they become consciously unskilled. Over time, they become unconsciously skilled, due to their lack of confidence in themselves (due to having their ego previously deflated when they realised how little they know). And then finally, the last step, consciously skilled, when you realise you know almost all of it and became skilled without even realising.
@@zalamael This is when you can pass your knowledge onto someone else.
@@fivestring65ify Yeah, but it only works if they choose to listen. Most people don't like to hear any criticism of themselves, which is why they become delusional is the first place.
The sad reality is, most people were raised by poor parents who knew nothing of real leadership. And they grow up to be children, masquerading as adults, but always with the same neediness for fake praise and no criticism.
The true path to growing up, to stop behaving like a child, and taking the rite of passage into adulthood, is being able to admit your own flaws, and grow up to deal with them.
Real adults crave criticism (as long as it is honest), because they want feedback. Children and immature adults love fake praise, and hate honest criticism, because they are basically praise junkies. They would rather live in a world of lies that praises them, than an honest world which says "you need to be more".
I went through it all when I started learning web development. Right after learning basic javascript,css and html and making 3 4 web pages and games I was on cloud 9. But soon I realised how little I know thanks to one of my interviews. Now I'm at the Good student phase
"How come those who know the least know it the loudest?" - Mark Twain
Growing up, I always thought this way. That's why I was always so quiet. Maybe if I had been a little more ignorant, I wouldn't be so shy.
The "everyone's a winner" strategy while raising/educating kids sure a hell doesn't help this. You end up with a lot of adults with seriously misplaced confidence.
Yah, I worked at a daycare/ kindergarten where kids got certificates for breathing. You couldn't say "no hitting" or use any negative speech. If a 3 yr. old was slamming a toy truck into the skull of another child you would,of course,intervene,but you would have to say something like "We touch our friends gently here,Kevin." I'm not making this up. At the same time tho', the " Everyone's a Winner" mentality should be modified to "Everybody has potential to learn." Maybe that would help.
Everyone isn't a winner by a long stretch, by a far sight; we ought to start the whole thing over or maybe just me (?), besides the whole thing sounds like a darn doughnut; no good.
It "sure a hell" don't
You seem really confident in your opinion! I'm going to trust you because you probably know a lot! 😂😂😂
@@J.W.Brogan People who point out typos on the internet in the age of smartphones are literally retarded.
Brilliant video! 👏Enjoyed watching it. 👍
This perfectly described my journey as a writer. I started off by writing 500 pages of barely salvageable trash, fully believing I was going to publish it, and am currently at the vertex of my confidence now that I’m taking courses on creative writing.
At least, I *hope* this is as low as my confidence can go.
Extensive knowledge has a humbling effect on those who have it.
It still depends on the person's own personality traits. I've met too many arrogant and authoritarian professors in my academic years
Exactly. The more you start learning about something new, the more you realize that there's still a lot that you don't know.
"The greater the artist, the greater the doubt. Perfect confidence is granted to the less talented as a consolation prize." -Robert Hughes
To see the truth in the world , what is needed is clarity. Just because someone is confidence doesn't make him a pilot.
brilliant thank you. I'd heard the term but wasn't sure of the specifics. Now I know thank you
I didn't know this was a thing, just something I realized myself from learning programming. Every time you think you have something down there's 1000 more things you dont know.
I'm a Computer Science and Applied Mathematics Student I quit working for 6 days because I have been experiencing this. Programming and the Mathematics seems complex the more I learn .
Thank you "Sprouts", this makes a lot of sense. This is something that we were told at church on Father's Day years ago. This is the son/daughter's perspective of their father over the years...
4 Years: My daddy can do anything.
7 Years: My dad knows a lot, a whole lot.
8 Years: My father doesn`t know quite everything.
12 Years: Oh, well, naturally Father doesn`t know that, either.
14 Years: Father? Hopelessly old-fashioned.
21 Years: Oh, that man is out-of-date. What did you expect?
25 Years: He knows a little bit about it, but not much.
30 Years: Maybe we ought to find out what Dad thinks.
35 Years: A little patience. Let`s get Dad`s assessment before we do anything.
50 Years: I wonder what Dad would have thought about that. He was pretty smart.
60 Years: My dad knew absolutely everything!
65 Years: I`d give anything if Dad were here so I could talk this over with him. I really miss that man.
Peace be with you all, Ciao, L
I have reached the age where I realized my parents were just well-meaning people doing the best they could. And that was also true for me.
@@ImCarolB Hi Carol B, I fully agree with you. Sadly enough, I lost my father as a teenager, at a time I believed that my dad "did not know anything!". As years went by and as I raised my own family, I missed my father so much especially since I was following in his footsteps (military career). How I wished I could have discussed leadership, military, fatherhood, family ... issues with him. He was a Veteran, how I would have liked him to prepare me for my first combat mission... Ironically, my very own son did the same to me.,.. but we are good friends now and like you said - I am trying the best with my grown-up kids, that is all I can do. Ciao, L
Thankfully an intellectual like me would never fall victim to such an effect!
It's the curse of humanity that those who have no idea what they're doing have the most confidence, which most people mistake for competence.
I am 100% immune from the Dunning-Krugar effect. I know I am stupid.
You sound confident that you’re stupid. Too confident.
True knowledge is knowing that you know nothing.
I admire your confidence.
That is like an oxymoron. You can't be stupid if you know you are.😀
"When pride comes, then comes dishonor; But with the humble there is wisdom." -- Proverbs 11:2
”A little learning is a dangerous thing ;
Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring :
There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
And drinking largely sobers us again.”
Alexander Pope
We all start out thinking we know everything, as the old saying goes, ignorance is bliss. The older we get, hopefully wiser we, at least I have realized that I don't know everything, and I never will. My passion to learn about new things runs very deep, as well as comtinued education in things I have learned about in the past.
I learned about this when I was ten years ago when bicycles made in England with narrow tires were called English racers. They were not really racing bicycles but since no one really knew much about racing bicycles as they thought that they did.
Every true success is built on a grave of a million failures. The success wouldn't be able to stand without the failures.
See, this why we examine failures.
or you have a very rich donator aka your parent .
Well,, I like the message that we shouldn't stop learning untill we reach such level of mastery and be aware of that "feeling like an expert" bias as we just start learning something
The message is actually just "never stop learning". If you ever become too arrogant to learn, that's when you start living like an idiot.
Even in old age, learning helps stave off dementia by keeping your brain busy with thinking. If you stop learning and have dementia, studies suggest you will likely die sooner.
Never too smart to learn.
This is excellent presentation.
What a great animation videos and explanations. This video made me to know about The Dunning Kruger Effect.
I'm sure I dont need skydiving instructions..
*I'll be great right off the jump!*
Yep, and parachutes are for losers, you are too good for that. 😂
The jumping and the falling would appear simple. The stopping, however, would seem to be the greater challenge.
Exactly. Nobody needs skydiving lessons unless you plan on doing it a second time.
“People trust certainty.” Isn’t that just a cognitive bias feedback loop?
Indeed it is, that's why fallacious arguments still get listened to.
There is another option: becoming so thoroughly familiar with one skill or subject that others no longer matter. Many people have done this successfully.
Serfs during the Russian Empire have done so for centuries.
Those with the DK effect think they way above their station that they think the key to the game is to speak out ro show how smart they are.
You cant learn anything new when u think u already know everything
I definitely felt this when I started practicing Brazilian jiu-jitsu. Felt incredible at first. Then, my overconfidence had me tapping out or getting smashed more often. I started to feel discouraged and even questioned, "Why even go if I just keep getting beat?" But I stuck through with it, and now I understand now that every part of it is a lesson, and you will always have something new to learn. Now I am quietly confident in my abilities that now I'm smashing other practicioners or keeping up with them.
"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge."
Daniel Boorstin
“The wise man is one who, knows, what he does not know.”-Lao Tsu
A wise, man, wouldn't use, commas so, atrociously.
Please explain why on earth you thought "knows" needed to be between commas.
@@SalvableRuin because, he, is, a, wise, man. He, knows, he, does, not, know, how, to, use, commas. He, put, a, lot, of, commas, so, you, can, correct, him, and, he, will, learn.
Use the SAT, LSAT, GMACT, CLEP and other test and preperation guides to learn how your education system has failed you and remedy the situation. The greatest minds in history were self educated.
the lao tsu effect
I thought the quote was......
"A wise man is one who knows enough, to know how little he does know."
I am hardly in doubt of my limitations and abilities.I have always been grounded in reality and if I am certain of my lack of being upp to something I will just accept that.But I've never said no to learning something new or at least trying,if only for that page of experience..I have a mind that loves to learn and soak up everything I can .. of the hundreds of interests I have and artistic endeavors I love.
Yesterday I was reading about it in Skeptic's guide to the universe and here it pops up.
Social media has now allowed the least informed to share their lack of understanding with an audience that readily accepts their dogma. Its a worry we now live in a world where more people accept influencers as knowledgeable cos they find science too challenging and inconvenient to fit into a world built around comfort and familiarity
Yup. Look no further than the rise of Trump and his barely-literate base of Truthers.
@@rocketassistedgoat1079 "Come on Man", can't wait until we fire all those evil Border Agents for no jab, and give more tickets to Border Jumpers. " You know the thing", IRS all up in YOUR bank account looking for $600 year transactions. "It won't cost one dime", Everytime you get the TRUMP jab, so your vaxxport allows you to buy or sell.
Yeow, it's all Trumps fault, TDS,
Enjoy 2022, Soylent Green is next.
@@jakethomas1829 Lol. Imagine what it says about your complete lack of critical thinking skills and clarity of thought-akin to that of mud: that you get your "news" from: Alex Jones (ROTFL), Newsmax, Sky Australia, RT and OANN. It's no wonder polite society, and the entire world rejects and laughs at your kind. Democrats are welcome everywhere they go, in every country. You're not. You're America's shame and are the laughing stock of the entire world.
But the rest of us mostly judge you and your ilk: because you're objectively terrible people by almost every metric for morality. I mean, consider the truely dreadful things it says about your; character, values and judgement of character...that you actually believe Trump (a borderline fasc€`t) is a good guy....and admire him.....
Oh, and admitting you're a Trump supporter, is the pickup line equivalent of "hi, I have AIDs". Radioactive. I would like to personally thank you: for removing yourself from the dating market.
The GOP won't be in power for another decade, maybe a generation.
@@rocketassistedgoat1079nice try, been independent voter since 1991.
Throw rocks at all poliTICions.
What do you like about life?
@@jakethomas1829 You're the simpleton this video is talking about.