The late 1800's were crazy, people were rolling out brand new rifles straight ouf the factory only for them to become obsolete in a year or two. Imagine a military today bringing in a brand new rifle and the next thing you know their main competitor has a working phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range.
He is actually to be considered grand-father to the current rotating bolt gas operated designs - its basically his straightpull except not pulled by hand.
@@IdiotandOpinion Funnily enough the only calibers in stock at my local gun shop are 8x56, 8x50, 8mm Lebel, 7.92x33, and 7.62x25. Makes for a very interesting sight at the range when people are blasting away with their Mannlichers, Lebels, and Type 54s. Not sure who's buying the 7.92x33 though. Do a lot of people have StGs or something?
I'm going to spoil the joke, but apparently Austria and Hungary did have separate national teams, e.g. in the 1912 Olympics Hungary beat Austria 3-0. It's a shame the European powers couldn't have concentrated on football instead of trench warfare.
@@AshleyPomeroy Someone has always got to be that guy. All can be forgiven here on account of the joke is very old and the fact given us is actually interesting and uncommon knowledge.
The way that guns are designed will never cease to amaze me. Machining is a beautiful art, and I wish I'd been exposed to it more when I was younger. The simplicity of straight-pull rifles is both amazing and simple, which is quite a feat.
It always amazes me that people involved in relatively simple decisions, such as retroactively fitting a hand guard, don't think that tiny bit further and add an outer clamp each end to prevent the totally foreseeable loss of the hand guard, not like it's not going to be bashed about a bit.
Depends. If the cost to replace lost handguards during the war was greater than the cost to make the clips stronger for all produced, then it was a bad design. However, if the cost to make the handguards more durable was greater than it cost to just replace the ones being lost during the war, then it was a great design. SO far as I can tell, the Habsburgs don't seem to have had too much problems with handguards during the war, so I think it was a good design for them. The fact that the handguards have not survived decades of Italo-Ethiopian abuse is not the fault of the designers.
Great history detail, would have loved a little look at that straight pull mechanism. I know there's other clips showing this, I just always enjoy seeing the hardware.
Der General Melchett: are you ready to give those Ethiopians a Mannlicher? Der Hauptmann Liebling: it's the Italians we'll be giving the Mannlicher. Der General: Don't be revolting, Liebling! I wouldn't give an Italian a Mannlicher if he was covered in honey!
I inherited a M95 carbine chambered in 8x56r. Beautiful gun. Looked like it had never been shot. My father got a bunch of Nazi headstamp pre-war ammo that was probably worth more than the gun itself. I sold it before Hornady started manufacturing compatible ammo. I wish now that I had kept it. Very handy little carbine.
After WW1 there was push in newly created Poland to make Mannlocher their service rifle, as large portion of Polish units were formed in Austro-Hungarian empire. Idea was scraped after Poland was given Mauser license and factory as borders were drawn.
Hey! I was just re watching the C&rsenal episode on the Steyr rifles. This and the Werndl were part of them and its incredible that Austria had some spectacular rifles and then decided to saty out of trouble lol. They were sooo close the the schoenauer too; who knows how that could've stalled the great war.
@@nunyabusiness8538 I bet the guy with that name lived in austria-hungary and had no problems whatsoever, considering english isn't the dominant language over there and the name is pronounced differently in german.
...recently held the friend of a friend sell his 1890 to one of the largest sellers of C&R here in Florida...the friend thought it was worthless and was more than pleasantly surprised when he buyer gave him a great price for it...it was offered for sale on his sight for north of $900...
I’ve bought a few rifles from RT and it appears that the Ethiopians deliberately scrubbed the finish off the exposed areas. The stocks show signs of wire wheeling. My assumption is the shinny metal isn’t as hot in the sun as the original dark blue finish. Anyone else see similar makings on their RT guns? It’s a shame they removed the finish as, at least on the Lebel and Berthier I bought, the finish under the stocks is in like new condition.
Got a question for Forgotten Weapons or anyone else. Recently my son bought a Mauser Model 1891 Argentine rifle. Beautiful rifle with little wear and tear to the stock. Barrel and action shows it age but are still in very good shape. All numbers matching. We tried to find out when it was manufactured(year) and didn't have all that much luck. I believe at sometime in its life the barrel and stock were cut down. It's no long a Mannlicher stock but you can tell were someone plugged the hole for the ram rod. Just trying to figure out exactly what he bought. Haven't shot it yet because he had to go back to AIT after Christmas........ It also has the 2000m adjustable iron sights as the 95 in this video
88/24. The wedgelocker action is already pushed to the limit with the M93 8x50R smokeless cartridge..which was a cream puff compared to 8x57. It is a brave dude that shoulders that rifle. ..but i'd love to have one. I only have 7 Steyr Mannlicher rifles.
@@Adirondneck I do not believe they changed any of the wedge lockers to 7.92. Just the M90 and M95. Still not strong enough for 7.92 and not considered safe to shoot.
@@dbmail545What 8x56R rifles? We're talking about wedgelockers here. And no..they DID convert some wedgelockers to 7.92. Like previously stated FN did the conversion and its called an 88/24.. And the 7.92 converted M95M is 100% safe to shoot. I have one and shoot it occasionally.
@@dbmail545 the problem on the M95 is that if you have much wear, the bolt head will snap out of battery and make it impossible to re-insert the bolt...
I don't remember exactly what I did to get my M95 bolt back in last time, but it involved using a coin to keep things from immediately springing back out of position until it was in the receiver.
I like it how i went from looking at rare pokemon cards on ebay then segued into watching a video on a rare variation of the Steyr Mannlicher. The cards were not even "rare," just Birthday Pikachus and Delta Species Charizards...
My pap had a M95/36k back when he was alive and I was going to buy it for $350 at the time. Nope sold it out from under me for $350 😳 same thing with the M44 that he never fired. I was the first to clean it fire it and everything. $350 for it as well but he sold it for $300 😔 I loved both of them.
@@Darth-Nihilus1 i understand but maybe your son wil look at your guns and see them as the most beautiful story filled objects he wil ever experience. Just like you did
Hi, I have a early model 1889 Schmidt Rubin, is that a weapon that you plan to review. I have found a bunch of information on it recently but I want more. At some point it was converted into a sports rifle configuration but other than that it appears to be in good condition. I also have a MK 2 303 Enfield and a untouched Marlin 38/40W repeater with an octagon barrel(may have been silver) and a black walnut stock. These were my Dad's weapons that he bought before 1960, they have been sitting in my closet or under my bed for about 40 years and with my Mom after my father's death in 1982.
I have one of these rifles. My Dad got it from his Brother, my Uncle, along with a French 8 mm Label rifle. My Uncle got a bunch of guns from some older guy, that collected guns back in the 1980's and wanted to get rid of them. He didn't think they had any value, unfortunately I had enlisted in the USAF and was stationed away from home at the time or I would have grabbed them all. He sold them for scrap metal after my Dad took the two. I wanted to shoot it but was advised not to because the hinged bolt might not handle the modern ammo pressure. I had to laugh at the "Safety" on that rifle, just a piece of metal screwed on to the back of the receiver that hinges over to block the bolt from opening. There is nothing to prevent the trigger from releasing the striker and firing a live round in the chamber. That piece or small plate of metal only keep the bolt from being operated in the closed position. But it was the first Straight Pull Bolt Rifle I had seen up to that point. The bolt is smooth and quick to operate. But the rifle does show it's age and I do not think it was kept very well. I do not believe this one came out of Ethiopia, this one could be a WWI war prize brought home after the war.
Makes sense there's not many of these around: It's basically just a rebarreled 88/90. The smokeless loading of the early 1890s 8mm Mannlicher came out not long after the 88/90. That's probably not long enough for many 88/90s to get their bores burned up badly from black powder.
@@jimservu Were there more countries that did that or only Yugoslavia? I would think that Germans during WW2 did convert some former Austrian guns to 7.92 because they did convert some Italian Carcano rifles to 7.92 during WW2.
There were some 88s converted to 8x57 by commercial Belgians firms; these are not considered safe to fire today. The M95 was converted to 8x57 as the M95M aka M95/24 in Yugoslavian service. These are a short rifle length, and were also converted to use Mauser stripper clips through the use of an internal clip.
I shoot a m95 in 8x50 and even with that mild load the bolt needs to be whacked open sometimes. No way I'd want to put 8x57 Mauser through one of these.
Do anyone know of some good information about the mannlicher m1885 trials gun? I got a very nice one in my collection, but there is not very much written about them.
I'm very curious, because you've featured a number of weapons imported from Ethiopia - How did Ethipoia end up with *so* many rifles (not just these Mannlichers) from early eras?Was it all from the Italian post-WW I distribution of various war retributions? I know they had no shortage of rebellions or wars with neighbors, thus a constant influx of assorted arms. But how or why were so many of these early ones stored in the last few decades when they were totally obsolete even for the most desperate rebels - kinda hard to lay hands on ammo, for one thing.
It's not all that uncommon for countries to keep decades or even centuries of obsolete small arms, usually because it's easier than the process of getting rid of them.
Even in the second Italo/ abbesinian war of 1936 only a part of ethiopian forces had been forces of the central/ imperial gouvernement. This had been about 100000 men. This was the perhaps 25000 men ,Royal Guard' with the best uniforms, hand arms, few heavy equipment ( machineguns, some anti- aircraft, anti- tank and other modern cannons, a handfull of civilian aircrafts, few lorries , some of them lightly armoured) and the best training by belgian, swiss and swedish officers ( small or neutral countries, for no diplomatic problems with the ,world powers) . Tourists/ Observers said the , Royal Guard ' seem to be the best african forces, and the Emperor tried, to build at first the guard as core of a new ethiopian army. The Main Army , perhaps 75000 men had been equipped and trained on low level. The reason for so many different types of rifles, is the fact, that still in 1936 in wartime the nobility moblized their feudal levies. So the Lords had to equip their leviemen, and in peacetime the noblemen bought and stored weapons, they could get. Also lots of feudal leviemen came with own weapons, the poor ones still with muzzleloaders and few with spears.
@@donjones4719 : I am german, and for german law reason , no gunowner. But i visited a number of museums, castles, historic sites ( in my Landkreis/ Arrondissement/ (US) county there are fortifications from bronze age, celtic, roman, medieval and Renaissance age) and some events, US citizens would call ,Gun Show'. About 20years ago, i noticed at such an event the ,books' of a british company ,Osprey' about military history. With the years i bought a number of this books, there are two , which are about the two italo- ethiopian wars of 1896 and 1936. Thats the reason, ,why i know something about this unusual toppic.
I’ve always have an interest and love for this rifle when I saw it in Battlefield 1, it’s just about the revolutionary straight-pull bolt that I have so much interest in it, just as much as the Lee Enfield SMLE Mk.III!
@@scronk4486 Eh, it’s a simple mistake in this case. In game it’s just called the Gew. 95, and this is a straight pull that ends in 95. And from the top they look similar
They were only rebarreled, right? The receiver stayed the same? Didn't that mean they were shooting smokeless powder cartridges out of an action with a wedge as a locking device instead of a rotating bolt? Why didn't the cartridges blow the bolt out the back of the action?
Plenty of black powder guns were adopted to shoot smokeless. The 8x50R is a fairly mild round. Not advocating you do it though. Health and safety was a lot less of an issue back then.
@@peterlazzari3950 Thanks. Ian emphasized the wedge versus the rotating bolt but then didn't mention it regarding the update -- I thought maybe the update updated that too and I just didn't understand. Glad to know I didn't simply miss it.
I'm fascinated by this sort of thing. With all the random stuff that got dumped in Africa, how exactly does a group source ammo? Especially from these earlier cartridge guns before things got a bit more standardized.
Unless I missed something, wouldn't those M88's that had the original wedge locking mechanism designed for the black powder cartridges now be shooting the modern smokeless ammunition? Was the original locking mechanism strong enough to handle the new ammunition? I assume it was, considering the Italians decided to use them in Africa - unless they didn't realise the difference between the 88/95's and the regular 95's.
Hi, Could you try to look for a rifle that was made here in the netherlands in my home town of Culemborg since there were very cool looking weapons like musket like rifles aswel as canon that have a swirl barrel about a few hundred years ago when it was a freehold town
I've got an M1886 that I intend to display on a wall. Shame it's so hard to find the en-bloc clips as I'd love to make up some dummy rounds to cycle through it. I'm tempted to buy a Schmidt-Rubin next
U should. K11s and k31s are like butter compared to the steyr mannlichers. In my opinion they are the pinnacle of straight pulls. Plus the 7.5 swiss ammo is superb, and never used corrosive ammo, so the bores and barrels are usually flawless
Ian, did Ethiopia ever upgrade any of their Mannlicher rifles to 8 x 56R ammunition, as was done by Austria and Hungary for 2nd line troops during the 1930's. The M95 Carbine I had some 50 years ago, was in 8 x 56R and from the markings, it was believed to be ex Hungarian Border Guards/Police (Határrendörség).
So is every old surplus rifle cleaning rod bent to keep it from falling out? OR is it that the ones that got bent and wedged in never fell out and are the only ones left? 🤣 Thanks for the vids 👍 I wish I could buy a bunch of these Ethiopian rifles it is a really cool history on some of them
Why we're Straight Pull rifles basically all removed from service after WW1? It seems like it would be a easier system to use instead of a bolt action, it's one movement, not a combination of movements
The bolt is more complicate to manufacture, the extraction is weaker (it's easier to open a stuck bolt action by force without breaking anything) and the Steyr-Manlicher is practically the only straight-pull that didn't show problems in trench warfare.
@@neutronalchemist3241 What I am more suprised by is why wasnt there mass conversions to semiauto with a simple piston connected directly to the bolt handle. There were tens of millions of these around, in service with a dozen countries. Conversion would have been much cheaper than even a newly made turnbolt rifle, and could have given a very significant boost to the firepower of infantry, especially in small squad manouver. Semi auto mannlichers would have been one of the few times large scale conversions would be a good idea.
@@ineednochannelyoutube5384 ask and you shall receive. British did come up with such a device for 1 of the enfields in World War 1. Forgotten weapons did a video on it and also fire tested it. Americans went a different route and if I remember correctly use something called the Pedersen device. Replacing the bolt with a quasi slide / Bolt that fired a elongated high pressure 32 caliber round.
@@williamsample2631 Neither the pedersen nor the Huot compare in either simplicity, efficiency as a weapon, or robustness to a gas piston manlicher conversion. And yet those did happen, and the letter only exist as one offs.
The Dutch Manlichers were a completely different action, including being a turn bolt rather than straight pull. They were derived from the German Gewehr 88, which Steyr got rights to produce in a settlement of patent claims over the German use of Manlicher’s magazine in in.
@@remcodenouden5019 That is an easy mistake when the names are so similar. Say what you will about the British, but at least they had distinctive and clear naming conventions.
can someone explain to me why on earth have these old rifles iron sights up to ranges past 2000 yards? imho with iron sights you can't even SEE the human sized target at 2000 yards, let alone hit it whit such rifle... even with a modern super accurate sub minute angle sniper rifle in .338 Lapua and with a sniper scope it is quite a challenge to hit a target at such distance... so why bother on a ww1 rifle?
When you line up a battalion of soldiers and lob indirect fire at large bodies troops - such as cavalry formations at long range. No such thing as a portable mortar and the technology was not there to call artillery quickly
Part of it is, the bullet can travel that far, may as well sight the rifle for that distance. The other is more of an idea that you're not necessarily aiming at 1 person so much as a group of people at that distance and hoping to hit one of them.
Before WW1 solders lined up in almost shoulder to shoulder. It gave the best density of fire. It also resulted in a line that could be seen from kilometres away. Then the European powers turned the maxim gun on each other. No sensible commander after that sent troops forwarding line.
I have to say, I'd probably have been happier to go to a frontline with blackpowder Manlicher M1886 rather the smokless Lebel Model 1886 - moszly on the strength of revolutionary clip loading system.
@@liammeech3702 Fair enough, but it wasn't untill failiure of 1914 battles that european armies realized how important such details are. I was refering to having to being able to make such a decision, as with knowledge of firearms of average person in 1886 or 1887. Tehnically both guns were instantly made obsolete by the other. It's just that one goverment rectified that before a major armed conflict happened.
@@liammeech3702 Of course during the first battle in which you want to fire 20 rounds reasonably rapidly those issues might be a mite smaller. Both have a huge flaw and the Gewehr 88 was a huge step above both of them, even with its issues, by combining clip loading with smokeless powder.
Considering that firearms have existed since the age of the Mongols, I doubt he will run out within the lifespan of his channel or even our own lives. Also it’s “forgotten weapons” so if he really wanted to he could expand to other historical kinds of weapons.
@@ForgottenWeapons Ummmm, I hate to say it Ian, but I really don't think it is.....Early SMLE's have them on the left side, for right handed shooters. At 9:41 above, that's the right side, the bolt handle side. How is a right handed shooter supposed to see that? Similarly, the quadrant sight on an M-16/M-203 is mounted on the left side of the rifle, for the same reason.
8:45 looks more like "Toll" as if someone was saying the stock was really great in german. Also why didn't you demonstrate the bolt action ing. I was hoping to see what the straight pull was like
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The late 1800's were crazy, people were rolling out brand new rifles straight ouf the factory only for them to become obsolete in a year or two. Imagine a military today bringing in a brand new rifle and the next thing you know their main competitor has a working phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range.
Yeah and then brought out again for ww1. Then sold off to all comers.its what makes this period so great for we collectors.
Ritter von Mannlicher, in my opinion, is a tragically underappreciated designer in the eyes of the "common" gun nut.
@@demos113 I know. Othais even said that Mannlicher is the closest thing to an European John Browning.
What you said would be true to european gun enthusiasts, but not much to Americans.
He is actually to be considered grand-father to the current rotating bolt gas operated designs - its basically his straightpull except not pulled by hand.
Maybe if his ammo wasn’t a dollar a round at pre-covid prices and if you could get it with out a special online order...
@@IdiotandOpinion Funnily enough the only calibers in stock at my local gun shop are 8x56, 8x50, 8mm Lebel, 7.92x33, and 7.62x25. Makes for a very interesting sight at the range when people are blasting away with their Mannlichers, Lebels, and Type 54s. Not sure who's buying the 7.92x33 though. Do a lot of people have StGs or something?
"Come on grandpa let's watch the football match together. Austria - Hungary. Grandpa: " Who are they playing against?"
That grandpa is long time dead..
I'm going to spoil the joke, but apparently Austria and Hungary did have separate national teams, e.g. in the 1912 Olympics Hungary beat Austria 3-0. It's a shame the European powers couldn't have concentrated on football instead of trench warfare.
@@AshleyPomeroy Someone has always got to be that guy.
All can be forgiven here on account of the joke is very old and the fact given us is actually interesting and uncommon knowledge.
My great-grandpa was able to recall Austria-Hungary times and I’m a millennial
That gun is beautiful. It's so well crafted, and it's survived over 100 years!
If you're into older, 100+ year old rifles, check out C&Rsenal. They're fantastic, and they focus specifically on that era of firearms history!
I mean, assuming it was made around 1888, that's 132 years old, well over 100 years old
Big thing it survived in Africa
@@JoshuaNicoll 133 years, because we are now in 2021
The way that guns are designed will never cease to amaze me. Machining is a beautiful art, and I wish I'd been exposed to it more when I was younger. The simplicity of straight-pull rifles is both amazing and simple, which is quite a feat.
I agree I'm of the same mind I wish I had more hands on experience with metal working.
I've seen that last name before. You have family near me in Illinois.
It always amazes me that people involved in relatively simple decisions, such as retroactively fitting a hand guard, don't think that tiny bit further and add an outer clamp each end to prevent the totally foreseeable loss of the hand guard, not like it's not going to be bashed about a bit.
Never underestimate a Goverment when it is in PANIC mode.
Depends. If the cost to replace lost handguards during the war was greater than the cost to make the clips stronger for all produced, then it was a bad design. However, if the cost to make the handguards more durable was greater than it cost to just replace the ones being lost during the war, then it was a great design. SO far as I can tell, the Habsburgs don't seem to have had too much problems with handguards during the war, so I think it was a good design for them. The fact that the handguards have not survived decades of Italo-Ethiopian abuse is not the fault of the designers.
It's the military, don't expect it to make sense.
@@remcodenouden5019 As an ex rubber dagger I would echo that :)
That's a really nice historic rifle, Ian. Thanks for such a nice video.
7:17 my dad was diagnosed with COVID yesterday so that laugh was exactly what I needed this morning. Thanks
Good luck
99.9% survival rate
Get your vitamins and stay hydrated.
Don't stress too much about it, it's not much worse than the cold.
@@demonprinces17 more like 98.5%, but with adequate treatment the chances of respiratory damage will heavily decrease.
Othais and Mae: *Heavy Breathing*
How much you wanna bet they're on the phone with Royal Tiger/Inter-Ordinance trying to get a look at this rifle...
@inönu Heh, wouldn't surprise me!
Great history detail, would have loved a little look at that straight pull mechanism. I know there's other clips showing this, I just always enjoy seeing the hardware.
I have similar gun in great condition. Paid 180€ here in Croatia 🇭🇷.
@kantenklaus it does but most of people have no idea what is kuna 😹
@@cappuccinokripperinokriop7436 is it even legal there?
Lucky. I paid triple that for mine in the US😂
I guess they cost less there. Get a nice Springfield 1903 at a hunting shop or auction, but in Europe? That’s a different story.
Der General Melchett: are you ready to give those Ethiopians a Mannlicher?
Der Hauptmann Liebling: it's the Italians we'll be giving the Mannlicher.
Der General: Don't be revolting, Liebling! I wouldn't give an Italian a Mannlicher if he was covered in honey!
Is that from Švejk?
Splendid
You forgot to mention the sweet spot mechanism, it takes 2 shots instead of the original 1 shot to kill
That game mechanic is so fucking stupid
As opposed to torso and up one shot kills or V's damage models that make no sense.
@@mlpeacecraft339 honestly i may be in the minority but i prefered the sweet spot mechanic as it made it more satisfying to get a kill
the Gewher M95 didnt have a sweet spot mechanic
@@sethmullins8346 I’ve seen worse game mechanics
I inherited a M95 carbine chambered in 8x56r. Beautiful gun. Looked like it had never been shot. My father got a bunch of Nazi headstamp pre-war ammo that was probably worth more than the gun itself. I sold it before Hornady started manufacturing compatible ammo. I wish now that I had kept it. Very handy little carbine.
I got two en bloc clips of the Nazi stamped ammo last year for $10. Not sure if that's cheap but I was really happy with that.
Ordered one from RTI a month ago and it’s finally on its way. Wicked excited to get my hands on it
How'd you do? I'm considering it too.
Edit: I ordered one. Stoked even if it may be a garbage rod.
As an Austrian, I approve of this video.
After WW1 there was push in newly created Poland to make Mannlocher their service rifle, as large portion of Polish units were formed in Austro-Hungarian empire. Idea was scraped after Poland was given Mauser license and factory as borders were drawn.
Hey! I was just re watching the C&rsenal episode on the Steyr rifles. This and the Werndl were part of them and its incredible that Austria had some spectacular rifles and then decided to saty out of trouble lol. They were sooo close the the schoenauer too; who knows how that could've stalled the great war.
I always find it funny when "update" is used with historical events.
Anyways, good video as always👍🏻
DLC for your guns
@@bami2 don't give Bethesda any ideas bro
@@big_pingu sadly bethesda where a step ahead and already does this, wanna mod? Pay them dosh
Why?
Love the mannlicher rifles, unusual but reasonably effective. Some of my favorite C&Rsenal primers are on these.
I still can’t help but laugh every time I see “mannlicher”
Damn man licker guns....
i bet the guy with that name had a great time throughout his school years lmao
@@nunyabusiness8538 I bet the guy with that name lived in austria-hungary and had no problems whatsoever, considering english isn't the dominant language over there and the name is pronounced differently in german.
@@LHoner-uw1jm and they say us Germans don't have a sense of humor.....
@@LHoner-uw1jm imagine not knowing what a joke is
@@nunyabusiness8538 imagine knowing that it's a common practice for people to not check their facts
Is Austro-Hungaria in alliance with Elbonia?
We were always at war with Elbonia
Yes, Gavrilo Princip was actually a secret Elbonian operative
@@invinciblemic Who isn't?
Thank you , Ian .
Those grooves for the hand are really deep
...recently held the friend of a friend sell his 1890 to one of the largest sellers of C&R here in Florida...the friend thought it was worthless and was more than pleasantly surprised when he buyer gave him a great price for it...it was offered for sale on his sight for north of $900...
I really enjoy the history of these unusual guns. Thanks for doing them.
I’ve bought a few rifles from RT and it appears that the Ethiopians deliberately scrubbed the finish off the exposed areas. The stocks show signs of wire wheeling. My assumption is the shinny metal isn’t as hot in the sun as the original dark blue finish. Anyone else see similar makings on their RT guns? It’s a shame they removed the finish as, at least on the Lebel and Berthier I bought, the finish under the stocks is in like new condition.
That's a really interesting theory that makes a lot of sense 🤔
RTI took a wire wheel to some of these guns before importing them. It’s likely that damage that you are seeing is modern.
the Steyr "ruck zuck" is one of my fave golden age rifles
Ian, you do great work. Please keep it up!! Very interesting rifle.
Was able to get my grandfathers take home Steyr M.95 Cavalry as my first rifle
a very much innovative rifle for his time ... before than following new model stright pull '95 Manlicher, so long
now it's time to read the Svejk!!!
I see you are a man of culture as well.
@@Altom941 *taking the hat off*
Username checks out.
Damn I am actually early... Waking up at 5:30am has its advantages.
Morning..! :)
Got a question for Forgotten Weapons or anyone else. Recently my son bought a Mauser Model 1891 Argentine rifle. Beautiful rifle with little wear and tear to the stock. Barrel and action shows it age but are still in very good shape. All numbers matching. We tried to find out when it was manufactured(year) and didn't have all that much luck. I believe at sometime in its life the barrel and stock were cut down. It's no long a Mannlicher stock but you can tell were someone plugged the hole for the ram rod. Just trying to figure out exactly what he bought. Haven't shot it yet because he had to go back to AIT after Christmas........
It also has the 2000m adjustable iron sights as the 95 in this video
For those intrested in "What the ef' there was a belgian firm that converted m88 and m90 mannlichers in 7.92x57mm
How dangerous is that?
88/24.
The wedgelocker action is already pushed to the limit with the M93 8x50R smokeless cartridge..which was a cream puff compared to 8x57. It is a brave dude that shoulders that rifle.
..but i'd love to have one. I only have 7 Steyr Mannlicher rifles.
They are not considered safe to shoot. The action was designed for a much lower pressure round. The 8x56r guns are fine if in good shape.
@@Adirondneck I do not believe they changed any of the wedge lockers to 7.92. Just the M90 and M95. Still not strong enough for 7.92 and not considered safe to shoot.
@@dbmail545What 8x56R rifles? We're talking about wedgelockers here.
And no..they DID convert some wedgelockers to 7.92. Like previously stated FN did the conversion and its called an 88/24..
And the 7.92 converted M95M is 100% safe to shoot. I have one and shoot it occasionally.
Looks a lot like my 1895 carbine.
Thanks for the info.
👍👍
I'm from Austria, and I own a Steyr Mannlicher SSG 69 police 👍
I'll go ahead rub it in!
@@williamsample2631 😂
Nice rifle congratulations
SSG bolt guns are really nice.
As a side note, don't ever pull the bolt out of an M88 or M95 unless it's necessary. They can be a real pain to put back in.
ESPECIALLY the M95!!! :(
IDK what you guys are talking about. I stripped and reassembled the bolt on my father's M95 without instructions.
@@dbmail545 the problem on the M95 is that if you have much wear, the bolt head will snap out of battery and make it impossible to re-insert the bolt...
I don't remember exactly what I did to get my M95 bolt back in last time, but it involved using a coin to keep things from immediately springing back out of position until it was in the receiver.
Just took a road trip passed through rock island Illinois. Thought it was cool. Cheers
I love how this completely educational, family friendly channel is demonetized on YT, while soft core porn is not.
I like it how i went from looking at rare pokemon cards on ebay then segued into watching a video on a rare variation of the Steyr Mannlicher. The cards were not even "rare," just Birthday Pikachus and Delta Species Charizards...
Be glad you did
Another great video
My pap had a M95/36k back when he was alive and I was going to buy it for $350 at the time. Nope sold it out from under me for $350 😳 same thing with the M44 that he never fired. I was the first to clean it fire it and everything. $350 for it as well but he sold it for $300 😔 I loved both of them.
aw darn... try and find your own gems. Its never too late to start your own collection in rememberance of your paps
@@MrJob91 I have my own but these were two really great shape
@@Darth-Nihilus1 i understand but maybe your son wil look at your guns and see them as the most beautiful story filled objects he wil ever experience. Just like you did
@@MrJob91 that gives me something to look forward to
Hi, I have a early model 1889 Schmidt Rubin, is that a weapon that you plan to review. I have found a bunch of information on it recently but I want more. At some point it was converted into a sports rifle configuration but other than that it appears to be in good condition. I also have a MK 2 303 Enfield and a untouched Marlin 38/40W repeater with an octagon barrel(may have been silver) and a black walnut stock. These were my Dad's weapons that he bought before 1960, they have been sitting in my closet or under my bed for about 40 years and with my Mom after my father's death in 1982.
I have one of these rifles. My Dad got it from his Brother, my Uncle, along with a French 8 mm Label rifle. My Uncle got a bunch of guns from some older guy, that collected guns back in the 1980's and wanted to get rid of them. He didn't think they had any value, unfortunately I had enlisted in the USAF and was stationed away from home at the time or I would have grabbed them all. He sold them for scrap metal after my Dad took the two. I wanted to shoot it but was advised not to because the hinged bolt might not handle the modern ammo pressure. I had to laugh at the "Safety" on that rifle, just a piece of metal screwed on to the back of the receiver that hinges over to block the bolt from opening. There is nothing to prevent the trigger from releasing the striker and firing a live round in the chamber. That piece or small plate of metal only keep the bolt from being operated in the closed position.
But it was the first Straight Pull Bolt Rifle I had seen up to that point. The bolt is smooth and quick to operate. But the rifle does show it's age and I do not think it was kept very well. I do not believe this one came out of Ethiopia, this one could be a WWI war prize brought home after the war.
Y'know, sometimes I think Ian puts too much time in to make us happy. I think he deserves a break once in a while.
This guy is so devoted i agree!
When you love your job it doesn't feel like a job. His vacation would be going somewhere to shoot/appreciate guns anyways. Prove me wrong I dare ya.
Makes sense there's not many of these around: It's basically just a rebarreled 88/90. The smokeless loading of the early 1890s 8mm Mannlicher came out not long after the 88/90. That's probably not long enough for many 88/90s to get their bores burned up badly from black powder.
Ian. Do a video on the British lee's with experimental triggers of the boer war.
Historical remembrance and preservation leads to some of the weirdest weapon stories I've ever seen.
Were any Mannlicher 88 or Mannlicher 95 rifles ever converted to the 7.92x57mm Mauser cartridge?
Some M95’s were converted to 7.92 by Yugoslavia
@@jimservu Were there more countries that did that or only Yugoslavia? I would think that Germans during WW2 did convert some former Austrian guns to 7.92 because they did convert some Italian Carcano rifles to 7.92 during WW2.
There were some 88s converted to 8x57 by commercial Belgians firms; these are not considered safe to fire today. The M95 was converted to 8x57 as the M95M aka M95/24 in Yugoslavian service. These are a short rifle length, and were also converted to use Mauser stripper clips through the use of an internal clip.
@@ForgottenWeapons thanks for the info Ian!
@@ForgottenWeapons Thanks Ian!
The ones that were later converted to 7.92x57mm Mauser are a lot more scary.
I shoot a m95 in 8x50 and even with that mild load the bolt needs to be whacked open sometimes. No way I'd want to put 8x57 Mauser through one of these.
@@peterlazzari3950 I have owned one, didn't shoot it. Unless you handloaded it way down to a "safe" working pressure I wouldn't try it.
Great stuff.
Jesus Christ: "Oh come all he who thirst."
Gun Jesus: "Hi Guys!"
Looking at the sights and trunnion, reminds of a Finnish mosin nagant look
That’s interesting! I have a Browning T-Bolt. I have never seen another Straight Pull Bolt design before... I have Goggling to do!
Start with the Ross!
@@davidjames4890 I think you need to start with the Lee 1895, in US service.
@@ScottKenny1978 I looked them both up... thanks!
@@thomaswashburn3513 no problem! (I find the Lee 1895 fascinating, personally)
Do anyone know of some good information about the mannlicher m1885 trials gun? I got a very nice one in my collection, but there is not very much written about them.
I'm very curious, because you've featured a number of weapons imported from Ethiopia -
How did Ethipoia end up with *so* many rifles (not just these Mannlichers) from early eras?Was it all from the Italian post-WW I distribution of various war retributions? I know they had no shortage of rebellions or wars with neighbors, thus a constant influx of assorted arms. But how or why were so many of these early ones stored in the last few decades when they were totally obsolete even for the most desperate rebels - kinda hard to lay hands on ammo, for one thing.
It's not all that uncommon for countries to keep decades or even centuries of obsolete small arms, usually because it's easier than the process of getting rid of them.
@@ForgottenWeapons Thanks so much. An important piece of knowledge I'll have to keep stored away and not let my old brain get rid of.
Even in the second Italo/ abbesinian war of 1936 only a part of ethiopian forces had been forces of the central/ imperial gouvernement. This had been about 100000 men. This was the perhaps 25000 men ,Royal Guard' with the best uniforms, hand arms, few heavy equipment ( machineguns, some anti- aircraft, anti- tank and other modern cannons, a handfull of civilian aircrafts, few lorries , some of them lightly armoured) and the best training by belgian, swiss and swedish officers ( small or neutral countries, for no diplomatic problems with the ,world powers) . Tourists/ Observers said the , Royal Guard ' seem to be the best african forces, and the Emperor tried, to build at first the guard as core of a new ethiopian army. The Main Army , perhaps 75000 men had been equipped and trained on low level. The reason for so many different types of rifles, is the fact, that still in 1936 in wartime the nobility moblized their feudal levies. So the Lords had to equip their leviemen, and in peacetime the noblemen bought and stored weapons, they could get. Also lots of feudal leviemen came with own weapons, the poor ones still with muzzleloaders and few with spears.
@@brittakriep2938 Fascinating. Thanks for the detailed info.
@@donjones4719 : I am german, and for german law reason , no gunowner. But i visited a number of museums, castles, historic sites ( in my Landkreis/ Arrondissement/ (US) county there are fortifications from bronze age, celtic, roman, medieval and Renaissance age) and some events, US citizens would call ,Gun Show'. About 20years ago, i noticed at such an event the ,books' of a british company ,Osprey' about military history. With the years i bought a number of this books, there are two , which are about the two italo- ethiopian wars of 1896 and 1936. Thats the reason, ,why i know something about this unusual toppic.
Surprised they didn't shorten them when they converted them.
Can i pay you to read me a book?
Maybe one of his new books?
I’ve always have an interest and love for this rifle when I saw it in Battlefield 1, it’s just about the revolutionary straight-pull bolt that I have so much interest in it, just as much as the Lee Enfield SMLE Mk.III!
I don’t think this rifle is in BF1, it’s successor the M95 is though
Video games always make people think they're geniuses about guns, but in most cases they're always wrong, just like you are here.
@@scronk4486 Eh, it’s a simple mistake in this case. In game it’s just called the Gew. 95, and this is a straight pull that ends in 95. And from the top they look similar
@@sirboomsalot4902 oh
Damn, they had these in 88’? It took us (USA) an entire decade to adopt rifles these.
Hi Ian, you review the Battlefield 1 and 1917 so can you review game Beyond the wire?
I had one of these super cool gun.
I'm curious were you able to purchase any of those guns you were present at when opened? be a super cool story
I believe in the uncrating video he said he was there specifically to buy one of the French Marine rifles they got in.
They were only rebarreled, right? The receiver stayed the same? Didn't that mean they were shooting smokeless powder cartridges out of an action with a wedge as a locking device instead of a rotating bolt? Why didn't the cartridges blow the bolt out the back of the action?
Plenty of black powder guns were adopted to shoot smokeless. The 8x50R is a fairly mild round. Not advocating you do it though. Health and safety was a lot less of an issue back then.
@@peterlazzari3950 Thanks. Ian emphasized the wedge versus the rotating bolt but then didn't mention it regarding the update -- I thought maybe the update updated that too and I just didn't understand. Glad to know I didn't simply miss it.
Rumor has it these rifles were also paid as part of reparations from Austro-Hungaria to Elbonia after the war.
Good Afternoon Ian, will you ever make a video about how to sight in a gun? I am a newbie in gun stuff, an i never found anything reliable about that.
Are the 88/95s safe to shoot? like with smokless powder?
Aha Ian! The PPS50. Ever done one of those?
I'm fascinated by this sort of thing. With all the random stuff that got dumped in Africa, how exactly does a group source ammo? Especially from these earlier cartridge guns before things got a bit more standardized.
Ian, can you tell us about ammunition availability, i.e. whether or not your guns are "shooters"? Or is there a liability issue?
I wish you had shown us the bolt action on this weapon. Nice video.
Can you do a video comparing straight bolt actions and bolt actions please?
Hopefully I'm not out of line mentioning it, but the Royal Armouries have a lecture on Thornycroft to SA80 up on RUclips.
Unless I missed something, wouldn't those M88's that had the original wedge locking mechanism designed for the black powder cartridges now be shooting the modern smokeless ammunition? Was the original locking mechanism strong enough to handle the new ammunition? I assume it was, considering the Italians decided to use them in Africa - unless they didn't realise the difference between the 88/95's and the regular 95's.
I believe it would fall under it is good enough most of the time, but probably not recommended today.
Hi,
Could you try to look for a rifle that was made here in the netherlands in my home town of Culemborg since there were very cool looking weapons like musket like rifles aswel as canon that have a swirl barrel about a few hundred years ago when it was a freehold town
I've got an M1886 that I intend to display on a wall. Shame it's so hard to find the en-bloc clips as I'd love to make up some dummy rounds to cycle through it.
I'm tempted to buy a Schmidt-Rubin next
U should. K11s and k31s are like butter compared to the steyr mannlichers. In my opinion they are the pinnacle of straight pulls. Plus the 7.5 swiss ammo is superb, and never used corrosive ammo, so the bores and barrels are usually flawless
Take the man's advice buy one you won't be disappointed. It'll be like going from a Chevy to a Cadillac. But in truth it's a Rolls-Royce!
Ian, did Ethiopia ever upgrade any of their Mannlicher rifles to 8 x 56R ammunition, as was done by Austria and Hungary for 2nd line troops during the 1930's. The M95 Carbine I had some 50 years ago, was in 8 x 56R and from the markings, it was believed to be ex Hungarian Border Guards/Police (Határrendörség).
The ones I saw were all 8x50.
So is every old surplus rifle cleaning rod bent to keep it from falling out? OR is it that the ones that got bent and wedged in never fell out and are the only ones left? 🤣 Thanks for the vids 👍 I wish I could buy a bunch of these Ethiopian rifles it is a really cool history on some of them
Why we're Straight Pull rifles basically all removed from service after WW1? It seems like it would be a easier system to use instead of a bolt action, it's one movement, not a combination of movements
The bolt is more complicate to manufacture, the extraction is weaker (it's easier to open a stuck bolt action by force without breaking anything) and the Steyr-Manlicher is practically the only straight-pull that didn't show problems in trench warfare.
@@neutronalchemist3241 you beat me to it. Excellent explanation!
@@neutronalchemist3241 What I am more suprised by is why wasnt there mass conversions to semiauto with a simple piston connected directly to the bolt handle.
There were tens of millions of these around, in service with a dozen countries. Conversion would have been much cheaper than even a newly made turnbolt rifle, and could have given a very significant boost to the firepower of infantry, especially in small squad manouver.
Semi auto mannlichers would have been one of the few times large scale conversions would be a good idea.
@@ineednochannelyoutube5384 ask and you shall receive. British did come up with such a device for 1 of the enfields in World War 1. Forgotten weapons did a video on it and also fire tested it. Americans went a different route and if I remember correctly use something called the Pedersen device. Replacing the bolt with a quasi slide / Bolt that fired a elongated high pressure 32 caliber round.
@@williamsample2631 Neither the pedersen nor the Huot compare in either simplicity, efficiency as a weapon, or robustness to a gas piston manlicher conversion.
And yet those did happen, and the letter only exist as one offs.
Which 8mm were these rifles chambered in ? 8mm Mauser, 8mm rimmed ? Were they .318 bore or .323 ?
8x50R .324 Bullet, .329 Grooves, .315 Lands for the Ethiopian Mannlichers.
DocAV
I believe the Dutch army was still using the Manlicher M95 at the onset of WWII.
The Dutch Manlichers were a completely different action, including being a turn bolt rather than straight pull.
They were derived from the German Gewehr 88, which Steyr got rights to produce in a settlement of patent claims over the German use of Manlicher’s magazine in in.
@@88porpoise ah, I just assumed the "geweer, Manlicher, M95" was a Dutch contract of Manlicher model 95s. Thanks for clearing that up!
@@remcodenouden5019 That is an easy mistake when the names are so similar.
Say what you will about the British, but at least they had distinctive and clear naming conventions.
Did any odball pistols come in from Ethiopian or just rifles?
I think it's just rifles in that haul. At least so far.
It’s probably already been asked but are these rifles in fireable condition?
can someone explain to me why on earth have these old rifles iron sights up to ranges past 2000 yards? imho with iron sights you can't even SEE the human sized target at 2000 yards, let alone hit it whit such rifle... even with a modern super accurate sub minute angle sniper rifle in .338 Lapua and with a sniper scope it is quite a challenge to hit a target at such distance... so why bother on a ww1 rifle?
The intention was to be able to fire at targets indirectly. Short of like a mortar.
When you line up a battalion of soldiers and lob indirect fire at large bodies troops - such as cavalry formations at long range. No such thing as a portable mortar and the technology was not there to call artillery quickly
Part of it is, the bullet can travel that far, may as well sight the rifle for that distance. The other is more of an idea that you're not necessarily aiming at 1 person so much as a group of people at that distance and hoping to hit one of them.
Look up volley fire.
Same tactic as archers fill the sky with bullets instead of arrows raining down at a given range.
Before WW1 solders lined up in almost shoulder to shoulder. It gave the best density of fire. It also resulted in a line that could be seen from kilometres away. Then the European powers turned the maxim gun on each other. No sensible commander after that sent troops forwarding line.
I very much doubt it could still be fired. Check out the barrel condition.
I have to say, I'd probably have been happier to go to a frontline with blackpowder Manlicher M1886 rather the smokless Lebel Model 1886 - moszly on the strength of revolutionary clip loading system.
Blackpowder smoke will show you up... Also blackpower rifles need more maintenance
@@liammeech3702 Fair enough, but it wasn't untill failiure of 1914 battles that european armies realized how important such details are. I was refering to having to being able to make such a decision, as with knowledge of firearms of average person in 1886 or 1887. Tehnically both guns were instantly made obsolete by the other. It's just that one goverment rectified that before a major armed conflict happened.
@@liammeech3702 Of course during the first battle in which you want to fire 20 rounds reasonably rapidly those issues might be a mite smaller.
Both have a huge flaw and the Gewehr 88 was a huge step above both of them, even with its issues, by combining clip loading with smokeless powder.
The reason she's my ex is because she's a Mannlicher
I thought it was because she wouldn't let you buy of these rifles. I mean a man does have his limits!
Are you joking? Why would you get rid of someone like that?
When you say 8mm, do you mean the case head is marked 8 mm?Or is it 7.92 mm
It’s an 8x56R cartridge that it takes. Full 8mm
@@davidberesford875 Thanks, some of the reference to 8 mm being 7.92 is confusing me.
@@davidberesford875 Its actually 8x50R.
8x56 is the updated spitzer bullet.
@@ineednochannelyoutube5384 thanks for saving me the trouble.
@@davidberesford875No 8x50mmR.
Steyr M95 rifles were upgraded to 8x56mmR from 1930 but the M88 and M90 rifles weren't safe to convert.
Nice rifle.
He has to eventually run out of guns to talk about
No way
We will all die of old age first.
Considering that firearms have existed since the age of the Mongols, I doubt he will run out within the lifespan of his channel or even our own lives. Also it’s “forgotten weapons” so if he really wanted to he could expand to other historical kinds of weapons.
Right... Right?
Maybe in your lifetime!
I wonder how many wound up in Elbonian hands?🤔🤔🤔
It’s an M.90/95. The rifle you show as an M.88/90 is an M.90, the M.90 rifle & M.90 carbine being two completely different animals.
Very, very interesting. Love these old guns........just sayin.
Get in line because everything seems to be made of plastic nowadays if you know what I mean!
Please tell me that Mannlicher has become a phrase that means kicks harder than it needs too
One of my Favorite rifle in BF1
Isn't that volley sight on the wrong side?
Barrel band reversed?
No, it's correct.
@@ForgottenWeapons Ummmm, I hate to say it Ian, but I really don't think it is.....Early SMLE's have them on the left side, for right handed shooters. At 9:41 above, that's the right side, the bolt handle side. How is a right handed shooter supposed to see that? Similarly, the quadrant sight on an M-16/M-203 is mounted on the left side of the rifle, for the same reason.
@@rickb1973 Mannlicher volley sights are on the right side.
If it's still useful, don't throw it away.
What’s funny is that I own one, the down side is that I don’t have the magazine and the rounds
eBay has them for not that much
8:45 looks more like "Toll" as if someone was saying the stock was really great in german.
Also why didn't you demonstrate the bolt action ing. I was hoping to see what the straight pull was like