Mortal Kombat II playthrough (SEGA Saturn) (1CC)
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- Опубликовано: 14 янв 2021
- Playthrough with Sub-Zero. The Saturn port of this game is disappointing, whilst the graphics are close to the arcade, a lot of sound effects are missing. Most notably, a lot of the character speech is gone (such as Raiden's gibberish when he performs his torpedo) or is glitchy and doesn't play (such as Scorpion not saying "Get over here!" at 1:45). The intro sequence is cut short, and the game plays a little sluggish. There are also some other annoyances like the lack of any music during endings, and the way the screen glitches up when Shao Kahn explodes is really bad.
Bizarrely, there were apparently two versions of this game: a first version which went unreleased, and then this, the released version. Take a look at page 78 of SEGA Saturn official magazine's first issue:
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They reviewed it and gave it a good score. However, in their sixth issue, they had another review of it and gave it a bad score, stating it was much worse than what they originally reviewed (go to page 95):
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The one thing that's nice with this port is that the difficulty was mostly toned way down compared to the arcade version. You can actually hit opponents with freeze blasts! The standard 12 characters are easy to beat with this tactic, however Kintaro seems to be even harder than in the arcade game, he's the most difficult opponent. Shao Kahn can be beaten with just well-timed freezes. This is also the Japanese version of the game, however all of the in-game text was left untranslated. This was also the only Saturn Mortal Kombat game to be released in Japan. Thanks to the lower difficulty, I was able to get Jade to challenge me before Shang Tsung. 
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Sub-Zero is my favorite Mortal Kombat character of all time.
Ah, shovelware. Where would Acclaim have been without it?
Seriously, though, this port and the near identical PlayStation version were put out by Acclaim the systems' releases of MK 3. Long story short is that prior to MK 3, Midway didn't have their own home publishing division, but instead had a deal with Acclaim giving Acclaim first dibs on producing home ports of Midway arcade games under license, which Acclaim jumped all over for Mortal Kombat I & II. However, by the time MK 3 rolled around, Midway's parent company WMS Industries, which also owned the Williams and Bally's brands (the Williams name mostly used for pinball by that point, while Bally's had been made the casino games division), bought the home publisher Tradewest, renaming it initially Williams Home Entertainment before just going with the Midway name. (Note the first home versions of MK 3 have the Williams label on them.) Acclaim, left out of MK 3, still held the home publishing rights to MK II for a bit longer, and pushed out the Saturn and PS 1 versions to try to capitalize on the continued popularity. Except they're pretty poor, being rushed, un-optimized messes that are plagues with loading issues and stiff gameplay. The PS 1 version wasn't even approved for release in the US by SCE America, which is why it was a Japanese exclusive.
Where they are now. Six feet under a tombstone.
Crazy how they used MIDI music in PS1 and Saturn versions. They could just have used the Arcade soundtrack instead.
That would have made the load times worse.
@@mattschmerbeck8375 Yes but it would be worth it.
@@mattschmerbeck8375 yeah but at least it wouldn’t sound awful. The sound for these versions especially the music is just bad
@@cuinderblockdeer4102 To each his own I guess.. I would rather have midi-fied music than have 2 minute load times constantly.. The 16-bit ports have shit sound too honestly. Nothing beats the arcade but I think the Saturn came pretty close.
I think the music on the pc and Saturn was better than the arcade.
Whats with the Phil Collins drum music? 🥁
This is the only version where it’s easy to freeze ur opponent
Yes, the AI opponent is overall very dumb in this port and always walk into projectiles
It is rushed and with 30% of sounds and voices missing out.
The thing is that the difficulty of the arcade version is too high and unfair and for the console versions I think they lowered the difficulty a little or at least it is more balanced.
Even the PlayStation version lets you do that while the opponent doesn’t block it.
Yeah this port is lacking a lot of polish. It doesn't even seem finished.
Definitely an interesting port with an interesting backstory behind it. With some tweaking it could have been just as good as the Arcade Version, but with slightly easier difficulty. Though the programmers would probably blame it on the Saturn itself and how it was difficult to programme for, as apparently the Saturn was a challenging system to program for back in the day. The programmers probably would have wanted this game to come with an additional 8 megabyte ram expansion cartridge to make it truly arcade perfect or something back in the day. LOL.
I would like to know more about the development of this port, it has so many oddities.
@@RageQuitter87 Perhaps those working for Probe who developed this port has some stories about how this peculiar port came to be perhaps? :)
It would be cool if the early review build would be around somewhere, given that the Official Sega Saturn Magazine did get to try it (maybe it was sent to them as well) and all. Still, it is bizarre that the final product ended up this way, especially sound-wise.
If I have to throw a super wild guess, maybe it had something to do with Probe ending up working on the MKII PS1 port as well, because both PS1 and (final) Saturn versions seem somewhat similar port-wise (sequenced BGM, constant loading, easier AI, incorrect sound at places etc.). So maybe the early review build was going to be something totally different indeed? Given that the second review complained especially about the sound and slowdowns caused by constant loading.
@@Raivop That is possible. Maybe the Saturn port accidentally got replaced by the PS1 port and that would up being duplicated for the Saturn. If someone does come across the actual game files, no doubt those will be shared on the internet somehow hopefully.
@@Raivop I wonder if the version SS Magazine originally reviewed was intended to be for this unreleased collection:
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Maybe they scrapped plans for doing MKI with it and decided to release MKII by itself, but then scrapped that version of favor of starting again, and this time making it for PS1 as well as Saturn?
I remeber buying this and being so so disappointed. Inexcusable. The Saturn version should of been virtually arcade perfect. Always felt like this was 80% finished and they just chose to release it like that.
Wow Im still so angry after 27 years 😂
Hell, the 32X version should have been arcade perfect. This was an easy one. And it came out so long after the arcade version/home versions. MK3 for PS1 was also not arcade perfect for some dumb reason
What were they thinking with the sound on this version? The Saturn was more than capable of handling the high quality audio with it's CD format.
The access time for the optical drive. Same crap happened with MK1 on the Sega CD. The technology just wasn’t there yet. It’s also why Shang Tsung’s transformations were delayed. Without the ability to load the necessary tracks into memory you get this choppy crapfest.
@@gertrudemcfuzz74 I don't think that was the main reasoning. It was obviously ported by Probe a.k.a (Acclaim Entertainment) who were seen as shite software developers at that time. Most MKII ports were shite on most consoles due them. They should have let Avalanche/Sculpture Software do it. Look at what they have achieved with Mega Drive/Genesis and SNES port of Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3.
@@slightlyloyal1442 True but those were both on carts. CD drives at that time we’re slow as molasses. If you listen to the tracks of the Sega CD MK1 disc separately from the game they are all spot on and complete. When you play the game though, many parts of them are omitted partially or entirely.
@@gertrudemcfuzz74 Fair enough, i'd agree about the CD technology in that time, it was finding his first steps in that era. But i'd don't think it has to do with if it has CD-ROM technology or not though. The port in general was just poor. It has more space and memory and it should be able to read audio from red-book, disc access or not. The fact that the PS1 version of Mortal Kombat 3 was nearly arcade perfect albeit "Disc access time" says everything imo.
They were lazy and ported the ms-dos version of the game, instead using the arcade version. That’s why you get midi music, cuz that’s what the ms-dos version had. No excuse not to have perfect background music. Look at the Street Fighter games they did for Saturn. No probs with background music. The non-expansion cart version to be fair.
Why did the music start over after Shang Tsung turned into other characters?
I rented this and was utterly disappointed. I was so glad that Ultimate MK3 turned out good
I bought it for $10 or $12 was it ? Bought UMK3 for like $20 from a co-worker when we assembled the arcade machines for these in Chicago.
Yeah me too, Sub-Zero is still my favorite character for Mortal Kombat!
MK2 is the first game where Sub-Zero is Kuai Liang and Bi-Han's soul already becomes Noob.
So besides still images (instead of text) and better color palette this is no different than mega drive version?
It's very different
Ummm....
Well it certainly looks the part, visually one of the best ports ive seen... cant someone fix the sound issues in a home brew version?
I never understood why they recreated the soundtrack to sound like it came from a PC soundcard.
It was to help with load times and seeks. If they used CDDA for the soundtrack, they would have to load everything for that fight into memory first, and then go back and play the music. Instead, they used a midi soundtrack (so did PlayStation), so they could load the audio for a stage at the beginning, as midi files are very small, and they could seek on the disc to load animations for fatalities, etc., without interrupting the audio (as much).
My eyes did not deceive me, the Saturn version was home to Fake Jade AKA Kitana dressed I green. I thought she looked whiter then usual, LOL!
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What the hell is wrong with the music? Did the real soundtrack get lost on the way to Probe headquarters and they just had some guy on staff mash sample buttons on a Casio keyboard?
I mean, their crappy Genesis ports of MK were almost forgivable given the technology of the time, but then they get a better system to work with and still churn out this. There's just no excuse when you consider how good Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 was on Saturn.
I think they used the MIDI tracks from the PC version along with I assume some GM compatible sound bank for the Saturn. The PC tracks could sound pretty good through the right hardware, but not great on the Saturn.
I guess it was to try to avoid the problem of having to load Shang Tsung's morphs while playing audio, but for whatever reason that didn't work as the audio stops and restarts anyway.
With some of these stages, Probe seemed like they were at least *trying* to adapt Dan Forden's arcade music for a change, instead of substituting their own shitty background drones.
At least this port was the best one out there. Nice gameplay btw
Ummm..... nope 😆😆😆
The Pc version is the best one.
I like both Saturn and PC. I've changed my mind anyways.
@@SombraSR aight
@@Robert-nl3fd whats the best port then Robert? if you give me the right answer al buy the console.
Nice
I wish we had same graph on Sega Genesis. Sound and Music is superb on Sega Genesis. Genesis got best sound over all MK2 platforms
The LIES you tell lol
32x?
Mk2 is much better especially the music on Mk2
Somebody should make an arcade perfect hack version of this port. Even though it would still have loading issues.
Why is the music so different
I owned this😆😆😆
Yepp, Sub Zero is my favorite.
Imagine forking over the money for this version and it doesn't even have the voice samples that the SNES one does 😂
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people may hate this version but its my favorite. My friend had it on Snes and so I appreciated the better graphics and music. I like the music better as well than all of the other versions. It's shrill in some parts and cheesy in others but it brings out tones that aren't present in the arcade version and I find that charming. I would argue that the music in this port is better than the compressed music in the arcade rom but the Official CD audio is still king. The PS1 music is absolute trash like the non redbook MS DOS port, I believe it's midi like the pc but Saturn is not which I see people saying in the comments.
This feels like a unfinished or rushed port, so unpolished compared to other ports on weaker hardware. The AI in this port manages to be both more exploitable and cheaper at the same time. At least the graphics on this one are much more faithful to the Arcade than the 16-bit ports.
Mk II will definitely make you rage quit.
Kind of reminds me of the Japanese PSX port.
Are you able to do a playthrough of mortal kombat deception?
No sorry. I never got into those mid-00's MK games. I did try Deadly Alliance but didn't like it, and ended up selling it. I've not played Deception.
Snes way better than this
This is the version Sega Saturn?🤔
What a strange and lazy port. Given how great the Saturn with fighters I’m surprised how half baked this version turned out
That being said the difficulty seems very toned down which is a giant plus
SNES was still a better version.
@@user-lz9gn7sf3m indeed, the SNES has the best and most complete version of MK2
@@greensun1334 32X version was the best and most complete, even better than the arcade when it came to announcer quality.
@@hotstuff1003 32X with all the wrong music and missing Shao Kahn speech... Nope, the SNES has the best and most complete MK2.
@@greensun1334 SNES sucks, looks like dog poo and sounds awful with compressed muffled audio lol. The characters have blurry faces FFS!! The 32x version of MK2 is on another level and better than the arcade in many ways. I and many actually prefer the music of the Sega versions of Mortal Kombat 2, sounds more dark and goes with “Mortal Kombat” better than the kiddy tone the SNES went with.
Thinking it's the Saturn would think it would run better then this 🤔 there's like so much broken sound
A versão do Saturno é definitivamente a mais próxima do Arcade!
Com exceção do áudio que é totalmente diferente.
@@carlosalbertocaliu9934 Totalmente não!
@@fujinsincero8514 Pelo menos as músicas e os efeitos sonoros são.
Not so good, but still better than the atrocious Mortal Kombat Advance for the GBA.
I remember this looking so good in magazine pictures, then I played it, and sometimes pictures can not tell the whole story about how good or bad a game can be. This game is sadly the latter, very much so, awful.
Lacks of the original soundtrack and some sound effects…. But the graphics are really close to the arcade version… to me 6.5/10
Probe should've just ported the 32X version here, made the characters a bit bigger, added the arcade soundtrack (or kept the original Genesis one as that was better than this) plus a dozen key sound effects the 32X version was missing & the ending screens & it would've destroyed this lazy version. How could they possibly get this released without the character names being announced?
Saturn switched Wasteland & Tower soundtracks.
Best versions in order.
1. Arcade
2. MS Dos
3. Sega 32x
4. SNES
5. Genesis
32x was a very good version.👍
@@Wezi427 = *UHHHHHHHHHHHHH NO*
Arcade - MAME and SNES ONLY
Even the "creators" already agreed and plus 32x is just the Genesis, with missing bones/weird soundtrack and NO COMBO FATALITIES.
@@cobrakainevereverdies6940 did you play the 32x version? Graphically it's more in line with the SNES look at the color and backgrounds "Deadpool" it's pretty obvious that it's not the same as the Genesis. UHHHHHHHHHHHHH NO!
@@Wezi427 - SISSIFIED fellow = Let me hurt your feelings here.
I owned all of the versions. HELL, I was inside Midway off of "Calfornia/Roscoe" and 1 of the programmers F'dddddddd ME UP and got 2 Flawless victories on me ! He said, he owned the actual board at home. Back in 1997, I was just doing assembly on the Williams side. So since I FELT SORRY for the 32x in the 90's = I bought that F'd up POS for $50, I also bought the Sega CD for 1/2 or 1/3 of it's MSRP. I had the F"NNNNNNNNNN weak 32x cart - it lasted 1 week. After 4-6 hours of game play, it never worked again = cheap axxx f'n POS !!!! It was EXACTLY the stupid Genesis version with a few sounds and colors and that's what people bought an - Add-On for ????????????????? What happened to the bones on the screen, what happened to the Combo Fatalities with Shang Tsung.......WHAT HAPPENED TO THE CONTROLS ??????? WHAT HAPPENED TO THE ARCADE MUSIC ????? *So we made a rule at Williams/Midway to NEVER EVER mention Sega products unless it was a "Saturn".* I was jealous of my boss, she had a PSX in her office and she could play the Arcade translation of MK 3 in her office, while everybody in Q&A and Assembly worked a rough M-F schedule. So next time, try to FIGHT for something worthy. Next things you'll say is Wrestling is real and Lady Ga Ga is actually a woman.
@@cobrakainevereverdies6940 that was a long rant. I stopped reading after the Sega CD version. Google is your friend to find some facts. So if you believe that there was an MK2 for Sega CD, because it was hard to decipher your rant, you need to come out of mommy's basement and do some fact checking.
I really don’t understand why people shit all over this port.. It’s just missing a few sound effects and there’s a few barely noticeable load times.. Aside from that it’s as close to the arcade version as you could get on the old home ports.
I'd say it's better on the ps1. But ps1 version has its flaws too, it's not perfect.
Glad I didn't buy this and dodged a bullet back in the day. Especially with how good UMK3 was.
lol wtf was that fatality??
Better than the ps1 version, but the snes version is still better
and 32x
These kind of loading times are atrocious. It loads when you pull off a fatality, it loads when shang tsung transforms into anything, it loads during anytime. And since this came out in 1996, no wonder the N64 sticked with cartridges instead of discs.
There isn’t a PS1 version and the lack of character names being announced is pretty inexcusable. The animation is among the clearest and best of any version however
@@domformula1 The snes version is more impressive and the loading times kinda take away the flow.
And the arcade version is best.
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20:24 pense que shao kahn decia " no nooo " porque se crasheaba el juego , XD , que mala conversion, ni siquiera la voz de los nombres de los luchadores tiene , y tenian espacio de sobra en el CD para 14 archivos de audio de 1 segundo cada uno , ni siquiera musica en el ending, haaaa pero para poner la foto de todos esos si habia espacio 23:35 , un desastre.
I can say that this version it´s much worse that the snes version even that the sega genesis version. I spected something more better but, so it it this
Arcade version is the best
sick sick music. destroyed the game
>Saturn/PSOne White Jade
No sir I still don't like it.
What we don't know is if this was a deliberate change or an oversight. Given how many odd things there are on this port I'm leaning towards the latter.
and yet on your twitter you retweet art of white chars recolored black? do you like that?
I literally would have been pissed off playing these games as a kid. This and the Playstation version are rubbish. The SNES being the best home version of MK2 is wild.
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version garbage. They should have done more
Fucking AWFUL port! What happened here?
Wrong and missing SFX, complete different music, a lot of missing animation frames, slow gameplay, a very dumb AI and a pointless Shang Tsung - it's far away from the arcade, it appears like another game. The SNES has the best and most complete MK2-port by far.
I agree.
Nah. 32X is better than the SNES version
@@Chidoski91 the SNES port can be played trough by using literally the same inputs that you use to play the arcade version, I can't say that about the Genesis or 32X port. In terms of accuracy, the SNES version is closer to the arcade. What you think is better remains your opinion.
This is a garbage port sound is way off music is brutal
What a pitiful 32 bit port
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“Repent and…be baptised in the Name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sin; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.” Acts 2:38
Jesus Christ gives us a new start in life and a new life to start. You not only need to surrender all your sins and failures to Him, but all the good things that He has entrusted to you as well: your talents and your abilities, your plans and your opportunities, your energy and your time, as well as your love.
Leave it to Acclaim to fuck this translation up. Just a fucking money grab. Extremely laziness in the details such as missing sound bytes and a terrible remix to the music. Absolute garbage from Acclaim who would eventually go bankrupt.😂
what an awful port ...
16 bit is better