Trout Magnet on BFS: Legit (or Total BS)?
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2024
- Are 1-gram Lures just POINTLESS showing off with a baitcaster? Why not just use a spinning reel? And don't TROUT MAGNETS work best with a bobber?
I tackle these questions and a few more so you don't have to endure the sneers of the lure fishing and fly fishing police in order to find out. The reel is the affordable Tsurinoya Dark Wolf Ultra KF50s with upgraded brake magnets (with stock spool & stock bearings), line is Berkley Fireline Crystal (0.10-mm) with a 0.15-mm copolymer leader (Preston Innovations "Reflo-Power").
You can join in on more of my Bait Finesse System fishing adventures in the book "BFS - Bait Finesse Style or System Fishing" via Amazon's print on demand service (now in Paperback too) - which also comes with a ton of Online Video and Illustrated digital media content:
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Obviously fishing a trout magnet on a baitcaster is a RUclips hoax... LOL! Great video and welcome to the lure that catches EVERYTHING 😀
Thanks man! And yeah, perhaps I should have kept it to myself hahaha (they aren't a common lure at all in the UK, so it could have been a good secret weapon). Paul.
I do love to trow trout magnets or even smaller lures with BFS, but I have admit that it don’t have any advantage over a spinning UL/XUL setup.
I am not a Tsurinoya fan, but I love your videos. Well done again 👏 👍 😀
Thank you so much. I have some stuff in mind to try using the Calcutta Conquest BFS (plus my Grandad's antique Pflueger outfit) - so hopefully that might allow you some escape from the Tsurinoya "testing marathon" soon! Paul
That place you fishing looks amazing man.
I'm very lucky to have places like this fairly close to where I live for sure.
Superb Video bought your book the other day, fly fished for over 30 years (started aged 12) only ever fished still waters until covid hit, being a Sheffield lad, Ive subsequently fished the Porter, Sheaf, Rivelin, and obviously the Don, some great sport on the nymph and dry, cant believe Ive not fished these prior. (Well I was consumed by carp for 15 years) the weirs around the don are great, the Don north of sheffield is great I recognise a few venues you frequent and the little park (b***r h**l Ox*****g) hope to see you on the bank Paul.
Nice one and hopefully our paths cross at some point.
Try fishing an old school "bail-less" Orvis 50A, or a Cargem. A lot of the twists in spin fishing come from reeling line over round surfaces (guides) and the reel itself. Tight lines
Well done sir!!
@abelabner Thank you Abel!
Clck the link on the screen? is that to follow? By the way I am sold on this. Where I fish has lots of overhaning trees etc. Not much room to cast. This setup looks like a solution to the problem, once I have learned how to avoid the birdnests..etc.
There isn't a link yet...when I finish the next video I'll put a clickable picture of it next to where I'm pointing. Cheers. Paul.
@@FishingDiscoveries I thought so. Thanks.
What rod were you using and what find if distance with said rod with this lure/line?
I appreciate that the rod details which are easy to read on a tablet or laptop screen might not be so easy on a phone! (Particularly since RUclips seems to default to lower resolution settings on phones!). The rod is a Tsurinoya Ares C472ul and is 4' 7" long. I was using 13lb Berkley Fireline Crystal (50-m on the spool). With Roro SIC bearings and the magnet upgrade that I talk about in my blog article on the Dark Wolf Ultra, I was casting the Trout Magnet up to 42ft 8". There is a full list of casting performance under different upgrade conditions here: fishingdiscoveries.com/tsurinoya-dark-wolf-ultra/
Hello. I’m new to BFS. Just ordered a reel, the Dark Wolf. I hear that there’s a way to upgrade the magnets? I ordered the magnets off of eBay, and heard you may have a video on how to upgrade/replace the magnets. Can you advise?
Thank you.
@@cavazosa4 Hi although the Dark Wolf “Ultra” no longer needs the upgrade (they changed the brake design now); the regular Dark Wolf can still benefit. I did a demo video on my personal channel rather than the main FD channel here: ruclips.net/video/XtkcYzUDSXk/видео.htmlsi=pWSUK39UfB6oZljM
Hello i really love your video! You wrote your tackel in your description but not your rod, would you mind telling me which rod you used? :)
@@gamefixxer5974 Hi Thank you! 🙏 it’s a Tsurinoya Ares C472 UL. But - they aren’t sold any more. I would recommend a Purelure Creek Dance CE C492 UL if you wanted something of similar quality and performance. Here’s an affiliate link for AliExpress for that rod (just make sure to select the correct model number - including the “casting” version instead of the “spinning” version): s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_EuBIpTj
@@FishingDiscoveries thank you so much, I will check it out! ☺️
Hello. I’m new to BFS. Just ordered a reel, the Dark Wolf. I hear that there’s a way to upgrade the magnets? I ordered the magnets off of eBay, and heard you may have a video on how to upgrade/replace the magnets. Can you advise?
Also, what rod is featured in this video?
Thank you.
Hi - apologies for the delay (when I replied to your other comment I didn't see you also asked about the rod in this comment). I hope the information in the other reply was helpful? In terms of the rod, it is hard to find now but it was the Tsurinoya Ares C472 - a solid carbon, one-piece blank of 4ft 7" long. It's probably a little easier to cast 1-g lures a bit further with a slightly longer rod (say 5' 6" to 6-foot). One that you might like to look at is the Mavllos Plume - my affiliate link would earn me commission without increasing the cost to you: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DCnj0z9 Paul
@@FishingDiscoveries hello no worries. I’ll have some time to look into this rod. Thank you.
I’ve had a very difficult time ordering through AliExpress. Maybe it’s just me but the website site seems to be unable to allow my purchases and my account seems to always have a hold on it.
Submitted a claim/appeal to reactivate the account but have not heard anything in a couple of weeks now.
Thanks again or your help I really appreciate it.
Great demonstration. I'm thinking about picking up the Darkwolf ultra as an upgrade from my Zephyr for throwing lighter lures. Something I haven't been able to find an answer on is casting performance with heavier lures (4~7 grams), in comparison to standard sized bfs reels like the Zephyr.
I'm aware that smaller diameter spools grant better casting performance with lighter lures, but can have a negative effect on casting distance compared to larger diameter spools (due to less payout of line per spool rotation). In your experience, would you say the Darkwolf ultra casts these slightly heavier lures further or shorter than your zephyr? Thanks for your help.
I've not done a direct side by side comparison (or measured the distance), but I find I can cast a 9-g crank bait a "healthy fishing distance" with the DWU. My guess would be that it goes a similar distance to the Zephyr- but, like you, my gut says the Zephyr might throw that bigger bait a little further. You've made me curious to try it now... hahaha. Paul.
Thanks for the video Paul. It looks like you've been fishing BFS more and more lately. Is it true that you're migrating from fly fishing and Tenkara to BFS? If so, could you talk a bit about your reasons?
I'm not migrating, I'm just covering more of the stuff I'm either exploring or that I grew up with before starting to write about Tenkara and Fly Fishing. The aim with Fishing Discoveries is to provide detailed info on a range of disciplines so that specialists can find good, practical info and inspiration while we can also support people looking to expand their horizons into "all round angler" territories to augment their existing "base". By serving as a hub for well rounded anglers, I can then also introduce more people (those who are interested) to "tried and tested" info on Tenkara via the ready made resource in the sister site "Discover Tenkara". That way there should be a more sustainable future for Japanese tenkara techniques - since it offers an alternative to the existing, predominant Tenkara resources which are mainly aimed at non anglers or very new anglers. Look out for new FD coaching material on Small Stream fishing, Nymphing and also traditional Wet Fly Fishing in the pipeline (along with my upcoming book "The Nature of Fly Fishing"). All the best, Paul
Was this a stock Dark wolf ultra? I’m wanting to get 1 gram lures to cast well on it.
This was with Roro BFS ST bearings added and a magnet upgrade: NOTE - for any DWU reels sold after June 2022, you don't need to do the magnet upgrade. Also, if you clean the stock bearings with acetone (and maybe add a tiny droplet of Deuthlon cast lube), then you get a decent way towards the roro bearing upgrade performance. Full details in my article here: fishingdiscoveries.com/tsurinoya-dark-wolf-ultra/
Ive just bought a Dark Wolf reel, this is my 1st time having a baitcaster reel, have i made a mistake?
Is it the Dark Wolf or the Dark Wolf Ultra? The "ultra" will work with lures down to lower weights (easily down to around 2g - and with practice; below 1-g). The original Dark Wolf is best with baits of around 2.5g and above as a rough guide. As long as you're having fun, it's not a mistake (and as long as you stay curious, it is always fun because being curious means you're always playing and experimenting). Paul.
Another great video loving dark wolf ultra after I spoke to you ,after a second setup know iv got onto bfs looking at diawa alphas air tw 2020
Or another dark wolf ultra
Nice one Jason! If you really like the lightweight stuff, the Alphas Air with an aftermarket ultra light spool is a great option. It just depends on your budget really!
So out the box what will alphas do because 2g up for next setup
@@jason-si4mq Alphas will do 1g out of the box - it is just that I found the magnet upgrade on the DWU let the Tsurinoya reel outperform the Alphas with a 1.7-g lure. Most likely this is because the Alphas stock spool is 6 point something grams and the DWU stock spool is around 5.3g. However the Alphas feels better made and casts great without any need to add extra magnets to the brakes.
Still after rod still out of stock
Greaaaat!!! With a good technique, DWU is just amazing..
Thank you sir, you are very kind!
Indah sekali sungainya kawan..
Strikeee
Terima kasih - Saya bertuah kerana tinggal berhampiran beberapa sungai yang bagus! Paul
How far are you able to cast a 1 gram trout magnet???
42ft 8 inches against the tape with Roro bearings and magnet upgrade (results are shared in the website article on Fishing Discoveries here: fishingdiscoveries.com/tsurinoya-dark-wolf-ultra/ ) Paul.
@@FishingDiscoveries Хорошая дистанция. У меня получалось до 17,5 м (ruclips.net/video/QGA5fepgF3U/видео.html). Спасибо Паулю за подсказку с апгрейдом магнитов.
Скоро у нас тоже начнется рыбалка!
I was looking at getting a Dark Wolf Ultra. I was planning on upgrading the bearings. Is there additional upgrades I should get? I know the braking system changed on the newer version, the magnet upgrade can't be done. So should the brakes stay stock?
The reports I've had from people is that the reel seems to perform well with the static brakes (without further upgrades). I'd be interested to test out that new system myself for my own style of casting - and with very light lures. I would say that either cleaning the stock bearings or upgrading the bearings to ceramic, micro bearings has a very significant benefit to my dynamically-braked DWU. After cleaning bearings with acetone (and allowing to dry), applying just a tiny half droplet of light bearing lubricant is of great benefit. The best bearing lubricants work when all liquid ingredients have evaporated - leaving behind a dry, lubricated surface. Deuthlon cast lube is one of these and also repels water. Whatever ultralight bearing lubricant you have available, it may be worth doing that before deciding to try upgraded bearings. I don't know for certain whether the static brakes would allow for the full benefit of microbearings - but as long as the initial spool start up was controlled by the brakes; you should see an improvement with very light lures. However, do bear in mind that for the longest casts with lures towards the mid to top end of "BFS" weights, microbearings could actually reduce max casting distances. So, I'd ask myself how often I'd be casting lures of below 2g before committing to microbearings. Of course, you can get upgraded bearings that are designed for lures heavier lures - but do bear that in mind when choosing.
Long story short, if you don't already have some specialist bearings lubricant, it may be cheaper to just try a set of Roro ceramic hybrid bearings rated for your intended lure weights to see if they give a performance boost. If there's not enough improvement, you should be able to sell them on relatively easily. Then, cleaning up your stock bearings should see you in a good spot (and if you have - or plan to get - other BFS or baitcasting reels, then you'll have the right stuff to treat those as well). Paul
@@FishingDiscoveries Thanks for the info. I do intend to cast light lures because I have so many small panfish and bass in my area.
@@noobpyrotech9991 BFS/micro bearings should be a great addition then. 😊
@@FishingDiscoveries Thanks
The Fishband clamber hyper micro does a much better job than the dark Wolf ultra/Black Knight or the Black Knight II
The reel test shootout has great information in about all that and JDM reels hello thank you very much
It's definitely legit Paul😂😂😂🤣👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻😁
Cheers Christopher!
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯💪💪💪💪
Thank you so much Sean.
Wasted my money . The newer reel has a fixed braking system so i cant do the magnet mod . It is the only reason i bought this reel . Anyone interested in buying this reel purley for this mod be warned .
I'm curions how not needing to source/spend money on extra magnets equals "wasted my money"?
The fixed brake system version (which doesn't need/can't take the magnet mod) performs exactly the same as this modified version (the bearings upgrade is worth it of course to get EXACTLY the same performance) but it also works great with just acetone flushing of the stock bearings and a tiny drop of light bearings lube.