Games Workshop Just Made a HUGE Mistake
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The Christmas Battleforces are just ways of shifting stock that isn't selling (BECAUSE IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE), you can tell.
I still look forward to the announcement each year. It's like a lottery you don't have to pay for - your number never comes up but there's technically a chance. Who else is going to disappoint you so much for free? Most pay for such a pivilage.
Agreed. It’s so obvious at this point…
I definitely wish the Tau Christmas box had existed when I started collecting. Now, if I end up getting one, I'm turning the commander into a warboss in mega armor.
Honestly, this could be the title to every video from GW, ever…
I’m just glad it doesn’t involve the word SCANDAL again.
2:18 GW had 2 seraphon boxes at once. 1 for saurus, 1 for skinks
oh very cool! I had no idea about that!
I wish they would have done this for DoK. an elf box and a snake box, instead of the weird disjointed combo
@@DiscourseMinis
They used to have multiple Guard ones, too - one Cadian, one Catachan.
@@JBurdoo I don't think they could put those embarassing ass Catachan in a box these days
Underworld cards will no longer have art, they will have pictures of the models.
That kind of sucks
... and they only showed off the Tunnel art 6 times in their livestream
What? Noooooo! But good art makes the cards so much prettier to look at :(
The very first thing that got me into Underworlds, was the excellent art on the cards.
The first "season" had those cool fast sketches.
It got a lot less expressive afterwards, and now - another downgrade?
Get yourself a resin printer and make the switch to OPR so you can stop getting buttfkd by GW.
Resin printers are great. Just remember the cancer.
Also you have to have a community that's willing to change games. A lot of guys in my community look at it as that they want to play Warhammer 40k, not "generic grimdark miniatures game #53."
@@Hardcover_Pilot Yeah, the biggest problem is that GW is de facto a monopoly. Trying to play something else is penalized on every step except for pricing and rules quality.
I will say, I think the 'value for points' is a decent measure if only because 2000 points for a default army is anywhere from 300 for space marines to approximately 1000 dollars for Sisters of Battle. If you can get 1000 'points' worth of minis for 300 bucks then you have a full army at 600 bucks more or less. It can create an obvious entry.
Kind of the reason that after 12 years in the hobby I still mostly play at 1000 and can only push 2k with one of my armies IF I include my 3d printed baneblade...
Very much this. 1000 points is considered beginner/small game point limit, so if these boxes are priced at $200 - $250 you could pick up the knight box and be done with that collection if you weren't interested in "full sized" games. As someone who is a little knight-curious I may do exactly that.
Everyone knows Emps Children are coming 2025. This is the exact pattern we've seen over the decade. We all know it's coming and no one is surprised.
But people should be concerned... The Worldeaster's faction are missing about half their model line and have not been updated yet. They had a half-codex released just before the new edition dropped. This is not a good idea.
100% agree
I was looking at World Eaters to start off my chaos collection. What are they missing?
@@MedicMarc22bespoke terminators, demon troops, bikers/jug riders, any type of ranged support, synergy with knights/demons, demon engines, berzerker surgeons, raptors, named characters. Yeah. They are technically a functional army but they are missing a lot of key pieces to make them competitive.
it's been 8 years since Tsons released and we're still missing half of our model range as well, they starred in SM2 and GW still couldn't bring out a new codex or add models to the range. Combine this with 40k models being outright bad, or at least massive downgrades, and just abandon all hope for EC release.
Come on, then they will have 3.5 half sized armies. It will make perfect sense.
"You did it Lion, you finally experienced basic fucking empathy!" - Lion: Son of the Forest
The Knights battleforce is weird because unlike the previous one you do get all the weapon options for all the Armigers this time.. but then they've made it so the Questoris doesn't include the sprues for the carapace weapons, gatling, gauntlet or Canis Rex so you can only make 2 out of like 7 variants.
And even those two are incomplete because, as you pointed out, no carapace weapons. So even though the Knight Errant can take an Icarus autocannon, Ironstorm missile pod, or Stormspear rocket pod for free, if you buy the battleforce box, it won't. Just a massive flub of a box all around. There's barely any incentive to buy one, and basically no incentive whatsoever to buy two. And it's even more perplexing because on the back end, this means they'll likely have a bunch of extra Questoris accessory sprues they can never sell, because I'd wager the tool for molding the Questoris parts has all the sprues in one multi-cavity tool. So it's not even a good way to clear stale stock.
So two new factions for chaos next year then (I guess they weren't lying when they said it's a year of chaos). The dark mech needs to be more than five kits though.
Need full dark admech. Soul forged war pack aint it.
Dark Mech? You know something the rest of us don't?
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The first noise marine model was a metal head rocker back in the 90s just sayin
true
one takeaway from all the Christmas boxes is that you're local hobby store will end up putting them on sale depending on how well some sell. the orks box isnt gonna be worth it for 160 euros, but if the price drops to 140 then itll be worth picking it up.
Is there an ork box?
@@cristhianmlr for aos the ironjaws box set. I'll pick it up if it goes on sale, not worth at full price
Or you can be like my FLGS, which never gives discounts for Warhammer product. Indeed, I've seen multiple products collecting dust on their shelves _increase_ in price, proportionate to price increases from GW. (To be fair, it's probably that the owners have some bullshit deal with GW, that requires them to sell at MSRP).
So they have THREE boxes of Eldritch Omens for $210 each, despite it having a vanishingly small number of models.
@Bluecho4 oof. My LGS doesn't raise prices on stock they got before a GW price increase, plus they have a discount on everything. If it's an Online Store exclusive, it's 15% off. Otherwise it's 30% off. In Store only.
I have to think the tau box would be so much better if they swapped the broadside or ghostkeel for a crisis team. Crisis suits and commanders are very much the core of the battlesuit lists along with riptides
That four-legged Chaos thingie looks like a Warmachine Cryx Helljack.
prices is why i quit warhammer a few years ago and sold everything
I still play but I 3D print all my stuff. Plus I don’t play tournaments … just for fun Beerhammer style.
Without hand on forehead we all know it isn’t that bad.
A reminder to everyone that Wargames Atlantic sell a Space Halflings plastic kit of their own, at more than double the models (24) for half the likely price ($35). Sure, they're limited in equipment to lasguns and sniper rifles. But do you really need anything more? (They also come with frying pans).
I agree on balance issue, but I disagree on factions. Honestly if they could keep up with them I don't think you can have too many. The more factions there are the less mirror matches. Plus Emp's children are one of the coolest factions that has ever been.
In a normal game system, more factions is fine.
In a game that releases rules in separate hardcover books, it barely functions already.
My favourite models are the second and third edition metal ones.
The goofy new ones are ok, I don't mind a bit of silly.
The thing I don't get is Why a tankbuster unit is a killteam, those lads should be specialist on the battlefield.
Nice unit, weird to me as a killteam.
I feel 3rd edition models didn't fit 3rd ed, though. Like1st edition and 2nd edition ones really felt like they belong to these games when it comes to atmosphere. I think 3rd ed could really use 1/72 models that have natural body proportions. Especially with increased army sizes.
By the way, originally "ratlings" was a racial slur - and their intended, official, endoethnonym, was just "halflings". Which is rather weird for someone who hasn't been in contact with "full height people" to consider yourself at "half" of some unknown height standard.
When the question is ever “Is GW raising prices?” The answer is “Yes” 100% of the time.
Those Darkoath models are some of the worse miniatures GW have ever produced. I don't know how their faces are actually worse than the 1998 Marauders but here we are.
Would've loved them without those goofy faces. 😢
Hateium
17:38 I agree! GW does not have the capabilities to support so many factions. Votann and World Eaters are waiting for a second wave. Other factions need a refresh. Than the Forgeworld replacements. Custodes would love some plastic dreadnaughts.
"They tarmac your drive without permission" LOOOOOL
Breaking Emperor's Children out of the generic Chaos/Black Legion book is only about 15 years overdue. As many have pointed out, it's probably terrible for the overall health of the game at this time, they won't release enough kits, they won't release enough copies of each kit so there will be a big shortage for the second wave, and I'm sure they'll probably make my Emperor's Children army that I've tinkered with since 4th edition completely useless by not giving me options that work for the way I've got it laid out. That said, some of the models they basically have to produce to release an army and credibly call it Emperor's Children are things I'd very much like to replace in my collection; better noise marines, chosen/champions, and it'd be great to get a faction specific fast attack choice to round it out. I'll probably just complete it for the hobby, and if it sees the table for a game it'll be some homebrew or alternate rule set.
Out of the last 3 years of Christmas battle force boxes I have bought one- the Ossiarch Bonereapers box of 2023. I enjoying them being revealed, but because of the price and even more so the massive time investment I need to be picky. I probably only have time for one Christmas battleforce box over 3 years anyways
18:04 I thought I was looking at Rackham AT-43 Karmans for a moment -- what a good game, yes I'm sad enough to still have it all and fond memories of playing it a lot.
Still have a big UNA army myself. It's perfect for OPR.
I always enjoy these videos - you create some of the most entertaining GW content on RUclips.
thanks Simon! :)
@@DiscourseMinis - you're more than welcome. Your videos are a gift to us all.
Clonegrim loyalist Emperor’s Children? Probably not. But we’ll see them before GW remakes finecast in plastic or remember Catachans exist.
all of the w40k battleforces for this year are them clearing out old stock. the knight's one doesn't even have the new sprues for questoris. no pilot mini, no extra weapons
Kill Team is the only reason I buy GW minis anymore, and they've prices me out with the new boxes. Wargames Atlantic "Sneakfeet" are gooto be my ratling sniper team in a month or so.
Underworlds was actually a great game. Was. The new version looks like a Barnes and Noble release. They've simplified and streamlined pretty much everything interesting out of it, like they seem to do with every game, while also preserving the 'rich tactical depth', though I really don't think GW designers actually know what that term means. I've got a feeling they're used to using the term in the sense of: "Oh no, I just stepped in a giant pile of rich tactical depth and now I'm going to have to burn my brand new shoes!"
Having recently gotten into the hype surrounding Bolt Action v3, and with my son bugging me to get into Napoleonic era wargames like Black Powder, I can say that the pricing of GW kits is not okay anymore. I love their games, I have sizable 40k and AoS collections, including a Slaves to Darkness army, and bought both the AoS3 and 4 launch boxes, but the current pricings are crippling and quite frankly, delusional. I'm *almost* done with GW at this point, so here's hoping that their prices will stabilise for more than two (preferably 7) years this time round! 😊
Lionel “the train” Johnson
People hate on SCE but their background is some of the most grim dark shit (as opposed to grimderp ala 40k) GW has written since the 90s
I still can't quite believe that the Blood and Plunder box is that price. It's such a bargain. And Port Royale is definitely on my 'to buy' list
Yay, Labyrinth t-shirt
Only one thing is certain with games workshop continuing rising prices
Why I play warhammer with 3d printed and 3rd party models. If any one plays sisters of battle. Take a look at shieldwolf minatures
I have been waiting for the Slaaneshi marines to have a good range of models since I first started collecting 40K back in 3rd edition, I am excited for this
Also, if you dislike these Ratlings, there are many third-party proxies that can be used. Wargames Atlantic's Sneak Feet are a good option
if i lived in the arctic you would be able to sell me an ac unit.
sort of sad that one of the prime tenets of TTGs has been bred out of players for generations by games workshop rendering them domesticated. it's like, "here are our new miniatures. we'll give them to you at an EXORBITANT markup. buy these instead of making your own. they're OFFICIAL." just plain pathetic...
Ramdom news:
- Really happy about Deathwatch! But still happy to have them in Agents faction now.
- Really happy about Emperor's Children.
- Really happy my Tyranids are playing well.
- love Mordheim
- love necromunda
- love the gaming community i have
- Hate GW
- Prefer the older ratlings i have
- Underworlds losing card art is crazy. Its an alright game but they force you to buy new cards all the time so i quit.
- I dont like Votann at all.
- prices are disgusting
Underworlds does have a great deck building function if you have been playing and getting all the universal cards from the beginning. If you don't have so many universal cards then it's less appealing.
A Day without GW stepping on their junk is like a day without sunshine.
I dunno, something about that Chaos Sorceror makes me think he's just OK.
still irritated by the current state of the Blood Angels and Sanguinary Guard.
fucking kill me.
ohm don't want to rain on your parade but its the "loyal" symbol not the Chaos one. so it is a posible 30k releas
I doubt that, demon fulgrim already released for 30k. It’s going to be 40k emperors children.
The Darkoath spearhead looks good for the Old World.
8:23 she talked about the incomplete Knight set
06:20 - well, just like the Primarchs!
Underworlds is fun, the issue is the cards. I want a way to buy specific singles outside of proxies
A 2nd Orruk Spearhead would be good, something with Ardboys.
Now we save like 45$ per battleforce boxes. Oh and im done with the codexes. Ill play 10th till I die
Don't you want a decent edition?
I want Discourse to permanently talk like a pirate from now on lol.
Love your vids
14 mins in, you mean you prefer the previous sculptor for ratings.
I see a few parts of the range where it's like the person doing it doesn't get the mood and emotion right even if the sculpts are cleanly done and crisp, they can feel emotionally flat.
Of course these days we don't get to know who sculpted what so you never know who's your fav designer
Lastly I don't think I'd consider the emperors children to be a new faction. It's good they're getting redone and given a proper codex rather than just subsisting as an option on general chaos space marines
If you were new to RUclips and found this channel you’d think “Gee games workshop sure does make a lot of mistakes!”
I'm guessing you're not a fan of tennis if you don't even know what love looks like.
Feel the same about the new Ratlings. Not bad models per se, just too different from what the models have been in the past. Like the paired up the 3D artist for the Votann with whomever is doing the digital sculpting on Bloodbowl these days. Too much like Halflings and way, way too cartoony / CAD-design like.
And then there's the Orks, why in Gork's name does a game without vehicles have a dedicated tankhunters unit? The models are pretty nice, the unit does not make sense in Killteam though.
40k is all about centerpiece models and named characters.
Not the Orks!
I love that old Gretchin kit!
The pirate scenery looks great.
They also said Death Watch is coming back.
I have been thinking about taking the Ork Kill Team into the Underhive as a xenos gang what are people’s thoughts about this?
Love the way you suggest other games while talking about those GW scumbags, people whining about what cunts GW are has become one of my favourite RUclipsr rabbit holes.
Thank goodness that chaos sorcerer isn't inspired by the 7 UKpound-costing Frostgrave: Herald of the Red King which in fact I like much better and is in good old metal. But no complaining as they've rereleased their Chaos Ogres for WHYOW for a very decent 35 euro's... Kudo's GW!
GW, bring back the chaos rockers, praise be to the Noise Marines ! ! !
"New" faction. Lightly supported, maybe. But hardly new. And just more OP chaos crud, imo.
Girth is great when you know how to use it. 😃
Underworlds is one of Grandma Wendy's better game systems, also at an affordable entry price. But it has taken then 8 years to get it right with a few wrong turns along the way.
As a world eaters player: please give us more models unique to us,.or at least let us have more CSM ones!
There is absolutely no reason WE shouldn't have Havocs, Bikes and Raptors, both for fluff and gameplay.
GW shouldn't have made them their own faction if they're not going to support them.
Discourse made a HUGE Mistake
QWIK BAIT!
I wait for the individual releases but still buy 40k stuff, what does that say about me and restraint?
I'm not impressed by the new WH40K faction... because to me it's not a new faction at all. Being an old fart who played during the lead-laced metal days of Rogue Trader, I do remember a real Emperor's Children faction list.
BTW, the Cities of Sigmar faction box is weirdly an excellent complement to the original Cities of Sigmar box release, with some (useful) duplicate units and some really good add-ons. Someone must have screwed up the plans.
I will probably get the dark angels one since I kind of want to make a DA army.
Then nobody will ever insult your Johnson! What?
Premptive praise: just seeing you drop mew vodeos made my day! Can't wait to watch
You are so right halflings hobbits. They should be meaner and look less use boots.
Putting poc of models on cards instead of artwork ?
Most likely due to the shitstorm surrounding A. I.
Hmmmmmmmmm.
We're turning into a GW grifter channel, and I'm on board!
We didn’t need an excuse just a pretext and boom English everywhere! 😂
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I'm confused. Aren't Slaanesh already a faction?
Don't worry! I hear that cosplay as a Penitent on Patreon can pay well! Or can it? Muh ha ha!
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new space marines?!?! applause!! ...chaos space marines? booh!
13:20 They’ve been Flanderized
I really like the ratlings.... 😢
You spoke the cursed name of Matt Ward!
Huuuuuu, hard to tell, is that a crucifix necklace ?
Metal head monsters are awesome. 2nd ef for life.
Nurgle banned?! I thought we were friends 😜
Splooge for the splooge god, bone for the bone throne! UwU within OwO without
Don't know what love is ?
I am sure that they are many a gentlemen who will be delighted to show you.
Middle management bus stop man hype!
I think you should call these "How has GW screwed us over This Time?".
Well! you, not me, I have not given them any money for a very long Time.
I'm so much happier.
The pirate bite always puts a smile to my face Arrrrrr
At least it’s not a scandle this time ❤❤❤
All God's Chill'un need shoes.
GW makes a mistake... SSDD.
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